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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. And honestly I would say this.

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Speaker 2: Ashley correct me if I'm wrong, but definitely we could

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Speaker 2: argue that our favorite person within the Bachelor franchise is

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Speaker 2: with us today.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you're eliminating a lot of our friends,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of rude, but definitely, you know, somebody

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Speaker 2: Top of this, my friends. I don't even think about

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Speaker 2: it right now. I can't even name my friends.

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Speaker 3: Someone on your wedding guest list and mine and you

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Speaker 3: know I had you know, well, you had four hundred

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Speaker 3: people at your wedding, So I'm not sure what that says.

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Speaker 3: But I get my friends to my friends and yes,

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Speaker 3: she's here. She's wonderful, She's one of our favorites. It's

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Speaker 3: Caitlyn Burstow.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that was so nice. I didn't know you felt

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Speaker 4: that way about me. Ben, I like, I feel like

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Speaker 4: I always like poke your buttons or like press your buttons.

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Speaker 2: And oh you do, oh you do? Oh you made

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Speaker 2: me so mad.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I make myself mad sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, I try so hard to love you and

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's really hard.

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Speaker 4: Oh you guys, it's hard. I'm hard to love. Apparently

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Speaker 4: I'm learning that the hard way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, which is funny because on your season of the Bachelorette,

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Speaker 2: I was the one that told you that I felt

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Speaker 2: unlovable and I meant it and it has been a

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Speaker 2: marker on my life ever since. Then.

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Speaker 4: Well the tables have turned, my friend. You're now married

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Speaker 4: and I am not, and I feel unlovable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just found a nice enough girl. She's sweetheart, Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: We're here for many reasons today. One, we just want

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Speaker 2: to catch up with you and hear about your life,

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Speaker 2: and you're always up to incredible stuff. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think we're both in awe of what you've made and

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Speaker 2: done from this world. But also because publicly you've hated

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Speaker 2: me for the last like two months, I guess, and

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Speaker 2: I never knew about it, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: It but also neither did anyone else.

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Speaker 3: And now you're just creating public drama because you happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look at Bachelor Nation, what is it? Bachelor Nation? Gossip?

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Speaker 2: Scoop.

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Speaker 3: I think Scoop would know about this, But it's okay

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Speaker 3: because we do want you guys to chat about this hilarity.

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Speaker 4: I do you feel like Bachelor Nation scoop or like

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Speaker 4: those kinds of pages. I don't know why, but they're

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Speaker 4: following like like hates me to my core. And it's

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Speaker 4: so tough because anytime they post something, obviously I want

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Speaker 4: to partake in my own abuse and shop for Payton

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Speaker 4: and read all the comments and so I literally just like,

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Speaker 4: holy crap, people hate me. But it's so bizarre. But

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well you start. What was your

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Speaker 4: side of the story, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's my side of the story. So here's

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Speaker 2: a little background on how we got here today. And

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be where we sit for the whole show.

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Speaker 2: It's not that important, and it really isn't. It's more funny,

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Speaker 2: and I do want to celebrate Kaitlin and everything she's

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Speaker 2: up to. But here's what happened. Here's my perspective. We

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Speaker 2: had a trip to Monterey, California a few months ago

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Speaker 2: that Ashley wasn't able to attend. Chris Harrison was there

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Speaker 2: with Lauren Zema. Wells was there because he lives there

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Speaker 2: with his brother. Dean and Kaylan were there. Jason was

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Speaker 2: there as an invitee Ashley can attest to this. Jason

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Speaker 2: was invited for many reasons. We don't always know who's

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Speaker 2: that we like. I obviously am friends with Jason. That's

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Speaker 2: not a secret, doesn't need to be a secret, but

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Speaker 2: we have kind of during these times, like we all

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Speaker 2: one space. So this evening that we're talking about, I

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Speaker 2: so I was a part of this interview. Well, supposedly

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Speaker 2: this interview went sideways at some point. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: this was after dinner. I couldn't tell you two things

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Speaker 2: job here is to get However, Jason's feeling out of

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Speaker 2: him and then sit in that and never pick sides.

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Speaker 2: There's no sides to choose here. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: Scoop does this thing where they show that Caitlyn is

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Speaker 2: very upset with somebody from the franchise, and I immediately

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Speaker 2: text Ashley Ashley did I not and say, Kaitlyn's not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I was like I saw her like

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Speaker 5: a week and a half ago. I don't think it's us.

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Speaker 5: I think she would have texted me directly.

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Speaker 2: I would hope she would text me directly, Like I

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Speaker 2: hope she'd be like, hey, Ben, you're a jerk, Like

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Speaker 2: why would you do this to me on air publicly?

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, yeah, she can't be mad

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Speaker 2: I get started needing these messages that like why, like

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Speaker 2: I was like, Kaitlin, if I hurt you, I am

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Speaker 2: so sorry. The last thing I want to do in

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Speaker 2: my life is hurt Caitlyn Bristow. Kaitlin Bristow and I

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Speaker 2: a part of my story. I don't want to hurt Kaitlin.

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Speaker 2: And she said I didn't hurt her, and so then

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Speaker 2: You felt hurt by it, which is fair, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to take that away from you. But why

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Speaker 2: were people associating that with being upse with me?

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Speaker 4: Okay? So I think everyone by this point knows that

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Speaker 4: And I think that's like a big misunderstanding about me.

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Speaker 4: People would always say, like, what is one thing people

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Speaker 4: I would say, year, I feel like I'm somehow more

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Speaker 4: It wasn't you at all. You got looped into the

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Speaker 4: I should have not said these three men, I'm so

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Speaker 4: you out of it. But it was just I was

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Speaker 4: how is this breakup still having this shelf life? And

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Speaker 4: and he was allowed to have his emotions and process

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Speaker 4: But I'm just such an open book at all times,

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Speaker 2: I get I get where you're hurting. I know Chris

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Speaker 2: probably very similarly to how he feels about me. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he's been really upset with me at times, but

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Speaker 2: if you hate the attention, why do you do it?

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Speaker 4: I don't have an answer for that. I true, it's

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Speaker 4: I don't like the attention of trying to be a

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Speaker 4: whatever the where the negative people like to like hate

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Speaker 4: on me. I don't like that attention I like I clearly,

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Speaker 4: like anyone who goes on a television show, likes attention

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Speaker 4: to some degree. Of course, I like attention to some degree.

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Speaker 4: it's just I can't be perfect and I can't nail

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hide as in like I'm not

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It gets very confusing because I don't know how to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have any more questions for Caitlin about well.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I have any more questions. This

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Speaker 6: I would explain my relationship Son of a Biscuit. Actually

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Speaker 6: Since the first time we've met, there has always been

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Speaker 2: We enjoy people. We do enjoy the attention, we enjoy authenticity,

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Speaker 2: Like that's sometimes a very awkward dynamic, and I think

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Speaker 2: as like even if these things, these stories swirl. The

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Speaker 2: I've always respected you, I've always cared about you. I

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Speaker 4: I totally understand that, Like I wish I could take

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Speaker 4: in the moment. We all know how I do this sometimes,

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Speaker 2: If you were mad at me, like I would just

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Speaker 2: this started, I think literally, and what people might not

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Speaker 5: Is this where I'm supposed to take over with that

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you won't not yet. Yeah, I go

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Speaker 2: as far as you'll go prior. But what I will

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Speaker 2: There was confusion about it. There was like, hey, this

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Speaker 4: I have like a very sweet, funny and the amazing

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Speaker 4: that was like produces he manipulation in my brain of

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00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 4: like I got to ask Ben what the real side

433
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: is because Ben's honest, and he's gonna tell me the

434
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: truth of what is really going on behind the scenes.

435
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: But it came across as like Ben or not being

436
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 4: Sean or Nick, and you were kind of like, oh, okay.

437
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like all that. Let's just finish this bottle

438
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: of whiskey and see what happens.

439
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 4: We did drink a lot of whiskey. I will tell

440
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: you after our fantasy suite, I actually liked you more

441
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 4: than before after our fantasy suite, and I think you

442
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 4: know this by now debated I wanted to send Nick

443
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 4: home over you because at the end of the day,

444
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: I knew I was picking Sean, and I wanted you

445
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: to come along further, but they wanted you to be

446
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: the bachelor.

447
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: So that's when I'm supposed to come into this conversation

448
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 3: and say that you basically tell Jared the same thing,

449
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: and you and Jared talk about this every time you

450
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: see each other, and it's always a good laugh that basically, Nick,

451
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 3: Ben and Jared were all interchangeable in your top four

452
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: because you were just so soild shot and you kind

453
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: of like, I kind of enjoyed all three of their

454
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: company equally.

455
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 4: I like loved you guys, all so much and like

456
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 4: not in similar ways, very different, but it was it

457
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: was just like my season was the Nick and chancho

458
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: And it's so funny because still to this day, like

459
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: talk about shelf life. I'm still to this day talking

460
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 4: about those two on podcasts and interviews and situations because

461
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: I mean, it is such a pivotal moment in your

462
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: life and a big part of your life and where

463
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: you are at today. And it's so funny.

464
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 5: Because you and Nick are so relevant. Still.

465
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: Oh then, I mean, it's crazy, It's it's actually crazy.

466
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: And then you know, I heard Sean say something on

467
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: a podcast where he was like, yeah, well clearly it

468
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: wasn't like a real relationship or real love, and like

469
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 4: that was.

470
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: The one that was the That was the interview with

471
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Lauren where I was like, whoa, hey, wait.

472
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 5: Wait who said this?

473
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: Sean and Lauren did a together when I was acually

474
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: what was two years of my wife. Then both of.

475
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: Them were kind of an agreeance.

476
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 4: I say that sad, my feelings are so hurt. Were

477
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: you the same?

478
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: Ben?

479
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: I was like, that was so real to me. That

480
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: was like one of the most in love I've ever

481
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 4: been in my whole life, and I thought I was

482
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 4: going to marry them, and it was so real to me.

483
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 4: So to hear and be like, yeah, obviously wasn't real.

484
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: I was like, that was including the season and our

485
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 4: time together that's four years.

486
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was offended for both of you. Yeah,

487
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: and it wasn't true. I could just tell that that

488
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: was a lie, especially from Shanside.

489
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 5: Sorry man.

490
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: And my biggest year in life, Like, my biggest fear

491
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 4: is from like still rocks me from my parents' divorce.

492
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: I thought they had the most beautiful relationship. They were

493
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: so close, but I feel like my dad fell out

494
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: of love with my mom and they got divorced. My

495
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 4: biggest fear always is that someone's going to be so

496
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 4: in love with me and then they're going to fall

497
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: out of love with me. And I felt like that's

498
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: what happened with Sean, and then to hear him validate everything,

499
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 4: I was like eight years later, nine years and still like, wow,

500
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 4: it still hurts.

501
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: It was because they are very real to us. I mean,

502
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: they're yeah, like there. I don't see that relationship as

503
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: just like out, you know, offset of my life. This

504
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: was a relationship that affected me greatly and then also

505
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: led me to my wife. Let me see, hey, where

506
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: did we not work here in this past relationship that

507
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: led me to my wife today? And that's beautiful and

508
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: good and all works out in the end. But even

509
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: to hear that that piece of my story was not

510
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: impactful for somebody else who was also very involved, was hurt. Yeah.

511
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 2: It did sadden me. It did confuse me a lot,

512
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: Like it made me go back to the Hey, Kaylin,

513
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: I don't know what you think of this, but I

514
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: feel unlovable like that. It brought me back to that moment,

515
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: did you guys Tach?

516
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 5: After that podcast came out it no, no, no, you

517
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: and Ben.

518
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: Know you and be like, hey, our exes got together

519
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: and said that they really didn't love us.

520
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: They can say what they want. At this point, in

521
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: my opinion, it's like I know what it was for me,

522
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: and that's all that matters. Like that really is all

523
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: that matters. I know what it meant to me. And

524
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: if if somebody's like, hey, I did this for two

525
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: and a half years and it didn't mean that to me,

526
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: then I'm like, well that's you can figure that one out,

527
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what Yeah, Well.

528
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that same thing where I feel

529
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: something so much in the moment where my feelings were

530
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 4: so hurt, and then once you think about it and

531
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: process it, I'm like, well, if that was his experience,

532
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 4: like I can't change what he felt or what his

533
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 4: experience was, like I I and I don't know if

534
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 4: that's true what they're saying. You know, they could just

535
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, it wasn't real because it didn't

536
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 4: work out whatever, But I just have to be like, well,

537
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: we both had different experiences there, and like you said,

538
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 4: it led you to your wife, and imagine all the

539
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: imagine who this is going to lead me to. I've

540
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: got all the practice in the world. I've learned so

541
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: many lessons. I feel like that next one, I'm like,

542
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: third times.

543
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: Of Charm, that's right. Well, I mean that is a question.

544
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: I don't know how to phrase this. Caitlin. Do you

545
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: feel like, at this point in your life you have

546
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: experienced authentically true love?

547
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, I know. I think sometimes this is so crazy.

548
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 4: I'm always so embarrassed to say this out loud, and

549
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 4: anyone who listens to my podcast knows this story. But like,

550
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: I think I truly experienced true love with before I

551
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 4: even went on the show. I think my relationship before

552
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 4: going on that show was like the right person, wrong timing,

553
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: Like I still to this day will always say like

554
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: he was the one that got away and I had

555
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: similar similar feelings to him with Sean and then yeah,

556
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: so I think I did, and like I think with Jason,

557
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: it was so much like you know, when you date

558
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 4: somebody for so long and all of their qualities that

559
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: made you hurt so badly, and then the next person

560
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: they are the opposite of that, so you're like, this

561
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: must be what is right for me because they're the

562
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: opposite of this person. I feel like that's what I

563
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 4: experienced with Jason, where he was opposite of Sean in

564
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: so many ways. So I thought like, oh I broke

565
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: the cycle. Oh I'm going different, I'm doing something that

566
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 4: this is going to work out. And then you know,

567
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 4: relationships are hard, man, Relationships are so hard, and especially

568
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 4: when there's a third person involved, aka the Internet, and

569
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: that's a lot of you know, voices, and it's just

570
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: relationships are so challenging. And I don't know if it's

571
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: just me or if it's all relationships, but I find

572
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: them so hard.

573
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: Do you keep tabs on the guy from before.

574
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: No, Okay, see this is another difference. I can't. He

575
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: is totally private. He retired from playing.

576
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: He was the one that got away. If he's totally

577
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: private and like off the radar, gosh thing, he would.

578
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: Have got to have some friend follow him.

579
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I'm all the way turned on by

580
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: him still because he's private on Instagram. He retired from hockey,

581
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: he's in like the finance world. He's private, his family's private.

582
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: I like can't creep him at all, which is so

583
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: wonderful because imagine if I could. But he's married with

584
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: three kids.

585
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 7: So let me.

586
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to like go get him back by

587
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: anything good for her, Yes, but it's I still found

588
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: that the most challenging breakup I've ever been through in

589
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: my life. Now with Sean, we broke up and he

590
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: kind of went under the radar. He you know, worked

591
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: out at his gym and he did his own thing,

592
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: and he didn't really date in the public, and I

593
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: didn't really have to even though we were living in

594
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: the same city. Like I kind of just moved on

595
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: really quickly and kind of didn't have to see anything.

596
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: And then and now I'm like, oh my gosh, everything's

597
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: so in my face because I'm trying to like say

598
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 4: private with like anyone I date. But Jason's like.

599
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 5: Oh, hey, why don't you post the.

600
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: Same video with the same song at the same time

601
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: as me. Let's get people talking about us. And I'm like, ah,

602
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: I've never heard a deal with this before, and it's

603
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: just so in my face. And even though like it's

604
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: it was my decision and I have respect for him,

605
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: it's just still like, damn, he liked those.

606
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: Numbers, and how do you know that he has this

607
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: strategy going on where they post the same time Because people.

608
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: Send me shit, I'm like, I'm I'm the best at

609
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: I really, I really don't go looking at X's things. Now.

610
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: If my first one was open and not private, I

611
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: probably would, but I will, like, I just don't want

612
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: to see things. So when anything shows up on my

613
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: for you page or on TikTok, where I just immediately

614
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: click not for me or mute or not interested in this,

615
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: so I I like try to not see it because

616
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: I just don't want to overthink it or be hurt

617
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: or overreact. And so the people just say they're like,

618
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: did you see this? Do you see what?

619
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: Does happening?

620
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: Did you see this? Do you see this picture? Did

621
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: you see what it was on dumis? And I'm like, no,

622
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: I didn't, and I don't want to, so thanks for

623
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: bringing it to my attention.

624
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: Mom.

625
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am mom, some rapid fire here to kind

626
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: of figure this whole thing out with you, because it's

627
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: always a blast, and you are also very vulnerable and

628
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna not know where you're thinking at what moment.

629
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: One of my confusions towards your life choices, Kaitlin, before

630
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: we get into how you co parent dogs, because that's

631
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: everybody's question is why, like how National is not a

632
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: big city. My wife's in Nashville. I've been to Nashville

633
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: many times. Knowing you, how do you not have extreme

634
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: anxiety every time you go out on a date or

635
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: go anywhere in public that you're going to run into

636
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: one of the people that you've dated now that I've

637
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: also would like make you feel very awkward. I never

638
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: wanted to run in the lorn for years. I could

639
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: you know at this point I don't care this taking me.

640
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: I would say it took me a good six years

641
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: to never want to like run into her in public again.

642
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you for that is so relatable. I always

643
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 4: feel like I'm so dramatic or like such.

644
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: A baby, but I'm like, I have no interest.

645
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: It takes time to like grieve a person, grieve a relationship,

646
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: grieve who you thought somebody was. Like it is so

647
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: I do. I still to this day have anxiety every

648
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: time I go out thinking I'm going to run into someone.

649
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: It's a little different with Jason because we do co parents,

650
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: so we can get into that. So it's a little

651
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: different because I could be like, hey, look at this

652
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: funny thing wrong and then today and then like move on.

653
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: But with Sean, I feel like there's still some sort

654
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: of level of bitterness there, or I guess there is

655
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: in this relationship too. I don't know. I just haven't.

656
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: Committed a conversation that could have been had or could

657
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: be had.

658
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: Right Like, I wouldn't even know what to say. I

659
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: don't know if he'd want to even say hello, I've

660
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: a run I've only run actually.

661
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 5: Had the conversation. You did run into him ones.

662
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: Only one time, and he was on the other end

663
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: of a restaurant and I was sitting at a table

664
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: and I was like, I remember looking I was like,

665
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: it's like a trendy Sean booth. Like he's like, looks

666
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: really trendy. And then I was like, oh, that is

667
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: a trendy little Sean booth. Oh wow, he looks great.

668
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: And then we've had a couple like text exchanges, but

669
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: that's pretty much it.

670
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do you function in your city? Knowing

671
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: this is always a possibility. I would not be okay,

672
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like and there's no there There isn't even

673
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: anger or like resentment. It's just like I don't know

674
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: what I would say. I don't know how. It's uncomfortable,

675
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: like to a person that I, once in my life

676
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: was the most comfortable with. Now I am the least

677
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: comfortable with. And I don't want to have to figure

678
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: that one out in the moment, Like I don't even

679
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: know how to prepare myself.

680
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: No, And I go through so many different phases again

681
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: of like feeling mad or sad, or like rooting for him,

682
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: like him as a dad I think is so cool

683
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 4: because I saw the way he parented a dog and

684
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I bet he's going to be

685
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: an incredible father, and like there's certain things I just

686
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: have so many different emotions, So I honestly don't know,

687
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 4: but I do get anxiety about that. But I don't

688
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't really go out in Nashville. I really just like,

689
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: I mean, what I would really like is him to

690
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 4: pull up next to me and I'm in my bronco

691
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, but yeah, I don't know. I'm just

692
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: I'm surprised it hasn't happened. But I wouldn't know how

693
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 4: to I wouldn't know how to act. I think I

694
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 4: would want to like hug it out and be like, hey,

695
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: should we talk, But then I'm scared he's gonna be like,

696
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: I hate you.

697
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might not get it. I get it this. Yeah,

698
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: Lauren is a is a great I've never questioned that,

699
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: but this year was the first time that I've seen

700
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: her in person. I actually didn't see her. I'm lying

701
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: when I say that. She her husband played in one

702
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: golf group behind me in a celebrity and she walked up.

703
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: She think about how cool this is of her. She

704
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: walked up to my mom and my wife. My wife

705
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: was like a little bit ahead and just said hi,

706
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: which was like huge for me. So my mom told

707
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: me afterwards, like, hey, I got to see Lauren. She

708
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: was really sweet and she came and said hi to me,

709
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's amazing. I didn't see her,

710
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: but like that's all I really wanted, Like I just

711
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: need to know that she's cool to say hi to

712
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: me too, Like I don't know. I feel like it's

713
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: a given that it should be okay, but I just

714
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: want to know that she's cool to say hi to me.

715
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: If I'm cool to say, like, I don't know, it's weird.

716
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: I feel the same way, but okay, my dog's like

717
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: pulling the charger out of my computer. I feel the

718
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: same way. Like I just don't know, And like our

719
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: text exchanges haven't been like the most friendly, so then

720
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: I just don't know how it would be in person.

721
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: But I want it to be cool, like I want

722
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: I'm a big closure guy. I want closure on things,

723
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: and I don't think i've really felt that with that relationship.

724
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 4: I feel closure with Jason, and I still don't feel

725
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: like i've had that closure with Sean.

726
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: Well, you can invite him on your podcast.

727
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: Just bring them on. You could ask any question you want,

728
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: and if they say something weird and mean, it's all recorded.

729
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

730
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: That's why he would say, no, there's no way he'd

731
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: come on my podcast.

732
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: For your own comfortability sake. You probably that would be

733
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: the preferred method, right, one hundred percent?

734
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, But then I would then it's like,

735
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: how honest when you're on a podcast, how honest. That's

736
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 4: why it's scary. I'm always so scared to do podcasts,

737
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: Like I had so much anxiety even about doing this one,

738
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: because I'm like, well, I'm just going to say what's

739
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: on my mind, and then it's going to turn into

740
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: a damn headline and then nobody's going to read the

741
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: actual article. They're just going to think I'm this raging Countey.

742
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: That No, that the best headline they could exist from

743
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: this whole episode would be Kaylen Bristow hates Ashley I

744
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Ken Eddie. That's all I want and I want to

745
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: thought like that would be the most.

746
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: Shocking and the thing you just said it so now

747
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: they could make that.

748
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: That'd be amazing.

749
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: They could take anything.

750
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they'd have to read below to find

751
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: out exactly what the truth is. Kaylin, I have only

752
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: one more weird question before you before we like kind

753
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: of dive into the last few minutes on all the

754
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: cool stuff you're up to, and I know there is

755
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: a lot. How do you co parent? Because I know this,

756
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: I do know this, and I'll tell you this from

757
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: Jason that it is probably the most difficult, like not

758
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: even the most rest just the most difficult thing to

759
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: figure out. How do you co parent dogs in the

760
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: midst of this situation? How are you doing it and

761
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: how are you making it work?

762
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's really challenging because we're both obsessed with them,

763
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: and we're both really good dog parents, and the dogs

764
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: love both of us very much, and so I'll never forget.

765
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Sean told me like, you can never see Tucker again

766
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: when we broke up, and I was like, I would

767
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: never do that to anybody. I would never do that

768
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 4: to Jason, and so co parenting seem like the only

769
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: option here. But I will say I don't think it's

770
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: good for the dogs. It's they have seemed more anxious

771
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 4: with the transitions. Romen specifically, like he gets really emotional

772
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: and like if Romin won't take a treat, like something's wrong,

773
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: and he's been doing that lately, and he doesn't want

774
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: to leave either house once he gets there, and he

775
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 4: doesn't know what to do, and I actually don't think

776
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: it's healthy for the dogs. And I think we're being

777
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: a little bit selfish because we both just want them

778
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 4: so badly. But I think it's also nice because you know,

779
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: like I would, I don't like the idea of putting

780
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: them in a kennel or leaving them somewhere. And we

781
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: both travel so much so we're able to look at

782
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: each other's schedules and say, look, I'm gone this time

783
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: and you're here, so could you watch them here? And

784
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: then either way, we both have really incredible people that

785
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 4: come house it and watch the dogs, who the dogs love.

786
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: So I feel like we're literally two humans that are

787
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: trying to do our best in that situation. But I

788
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 4: honestly don't think it's good for the dogs, and it

789
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: breaks my heart.

790
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: A couple questions. Did you have Romen before you got

791
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 3: together with Jason?

792
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: So I rescued Romen. Jason and I were doing long

793
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: distance okay, and Ramen, Yeah, and then Jason moved in

794
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: like I think five days after I got Ramen. I think,

795
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: which is.

796
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: Why in my head perhaps like Ramen is like yours, well,

797
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: and I could never but you don't like because of

798
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 3: the Sean thing. You don't even like want to say

799
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: that like it's yours because that was because also Sean's dog, Tucker,

800
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: was like felt like.

801
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: You're no, no, Romen's definitely mine. But I would I

802
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: would just I would also never separate these dogs. They

803
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 4: are so dependent on each other and they're like best friends.

804
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: So sometimes it's like, well why can't he and I'm

805
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: like absolutely not without each other. So yeah, it's really

806
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: it's really challenging and sad and scary, and it's like

807
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: you already have not enough time with the dog, and

808
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: to cut that in half again, I'm just like like

809
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 4: I'm way too sensitive about it. I could cry right

810
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: now just thinking about it.

811
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would never insinuate you separating the dogs

812
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: at all. I just feel like, why do I think

813
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: that the dogs are yours just because I'm closer friends

814
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: with you?

815
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe maybe?

816
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: So then I'm also like I feel like Jason like

817
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: he went to Nashville because of you, and I think

818
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: that he could be happy other places, and it's like

819
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: I feel like he's actually staying in Nashville because of

820
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: the dogs.

821
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, because he definitely didn't seem to

822
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: be like the biggest fan of Nashville while we were together,

823
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: because I always wanted to well, at the first couple

824
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: of years, I didn't want to move. I loved my

825
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: house so much. And then I was like, don't you

826
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: think we should like get a house together, And he

827
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: was like, I'm just not sold on Nashville. And then

828
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: when we broke up, he was like, Nash's kind of

829
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 4: grown on me. I'm like, I hate you.

830
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: Give me my city back, okay. And then I think it's.

831
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: Like all good that you guys, you know, are sharing

832
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: the dogs right now.

833
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 5: Even though you're shaying that's not like necessarily the best

834
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 5: of the dog's mental health.

835
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: But in the fact that you, you know, you're both

836
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: singleish in the sense that like you're not married, you

837
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: don't have kids, right, So, how do you do you

838
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: feel like your things will change if, like, say, fast

839
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: forward five years, you're both married and with kids and

840
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: then you're like transferring dogs every weekend.

841
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: I asked him that, I said that, I said, what

842
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 4: is going to happen if, like, say, you meet a

843
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: girl in well, we're I don't know where, Florida, or

844
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: you meet another girl in New York and you get

845
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: married and you settle down, or maybe I find somebody

846
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: here and like, are you really going to come back

847
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: every two weeks just to like share the dogs and

848
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: is your partner going to be okay with that? Or

849
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, in my head, I'm just like, can I

850
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: just rescue you a doggie for you and you just

851
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: fly fly?

852
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't, honestly, Like, there's so many things

853
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: that would be easier to me than sharing dogs. I

854
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: can't imagine. I can't imagine the emotional roller coaster, and

855
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to make you cry, Caitlin. But here's

856
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. I travel a lot right now, and

857
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: Whalen when I'm home sleeps on my legs like his

858
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: head lays on my legs every night, on my ankles.

859
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: And when I'm in a hotel room, you know what

860
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: I've had to start doing. That little son of a

861
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: biscuit makes me lay a pillow on my ankle so

862
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: I can fall asleep at night. It makes I'm tearing up.

863
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: That little asshole who drives me crazy also is the

864
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: one that controls my life when I'm in a hotel

865
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: room and makes me go I want to be home,

866
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: not only because my wife is there and she's my

867
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 2: best friend and we can like laugh and have fun.

868
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: But then at night when everything comes down, he lays

869
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: his head on my ankles and I can't sleep without it.

870
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: He really is crying, Guys, I know it's bullshit.

871
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: No, I totally get it. That makes me love you

872
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: even more that you're that much of a dog guy

873
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: like me, Like I my toxic trait is crying like

874
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 4: my dog's already passed when he's right in front of me.

875
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: Like I am so like they are. I feel like

876
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 4: they're both my soul dogs. I feel like I can't

877
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: when I go away from like even for three days,

878
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: I am like so sad. Hotels have been like putting

879
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: picture of frames in my hotel room of the dogs

880
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: for me, and I'm like, I don't know if this

881
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: helps or makes me even more sad, because I just

882
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 4: like stare at it and cry like I my obsession

883
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 4: with the dogs is honestly, I don't think it's healthy. Yeah,

884
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 4: I don't think it's healthy.

885
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: It's weird. It isn't healthy. There's nothing healthy about it

886
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: because they're not here for that long, and that's really sad.

887
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: And tough, and I have to get over it, the

888
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: fact that my life is going to be moving on

889
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: far beyond it. But it is absolutely ridiculous the amount

890
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: of emotion that little squirt can bring out in me,

891
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: especially when he frustrates me all the time.

892
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: I laughed still because Ben used to like roll his

893
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: eyes at me when I talk about Louis and then

894
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: he got waylan and now he's crying on the podcast.

895
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just stupid. I don't know, it's just just.

896
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: It's not stupid. No, it's not it's not stupid. And

897
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: I get it. And you say, like, even though your

898
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: dogs frustrate you, my dogs could my dog could shit

899
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: on my face and I'd be like, it's okay, people,

900
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: I swear. I'm like, whatever they do is I'm like, oh, oh, it's.

901
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: Just he's just a weirdo.

902
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: It's time to hear her side of the story.

903
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: I love the show so much. I was like, please

904
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: throw my name in the mix.

905
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 5: I need to be in on this.

906
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 7: We were sure she was going to be the next bachelorette,

907
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 7: and then something changed.

908
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 4: I'm keeping things very very hush hush.

909
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 7: Fans of the Bachelor know exactly what we're talking about

910
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 7: Joe and Serena sit down for an intimate conversation with

911
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 7: Maria Georgis on Bachelor Happy Hour.

912
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 5: I have to ask.

913
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: I heard a rumor that you were dating at one

914
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: point one of Drake's best friends.

915
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: Oh, we have mor Sammy.

916
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 7: Listen to Bachelor Happy Hour on America's number one podcast network,

917
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 7: iHeart Open your free iHeart app and search Bachelor Happy Hour.

918
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 7: Listen now everywhere you listen to podcasts, and don't miss

919
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 7: Park two Monday Night.

920
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: All right, Caitlyn, are you dating?

921
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? I am good.

922
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: So if somebody's listening, or if I know somebody in

923
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Nashville who's an attractive, successful and.

924
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: In my way, I didn't say I'm dating scifically only

925
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: one person for the rest of my life. Well, I

926
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: do you know someone?

927
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Yes, we have a hotbed in Nashville. Jess has a

928
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: lot of really cool, good looking friends that have good roots.

929
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I like roots. Yes, I'm dating. I just

930
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 4: feel like I swear I'll always like say like, yeah

931
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: I'm dating or I'm going on a date. But I'm

932
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: I am literally never gonna introduce the internet or podcast

933
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 4: to anyone until I'm like married and pregnant, like I

934
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 4: would be like surprised, and then they'd be like what,

935
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: and I'll be like, well, I just wanted to make.

936
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Sure we waited six months and it was worth it.

937
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: It's too much pressure when you do it earlier in

938
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: that and Jess wasn't. She had no following, she had

939
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: no like you know, she didn't really even understand this

940
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: whole thing, and so when we introduced her it was

941
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: a whole new ball game. But at that point we

942
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: were like, no, this is this is the real deal,

943
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: and so we'll walk through this together now. Instead of like.

944
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, early that I could see that do it together,

945
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: I think I just don't. I just don't want to

946
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: up another relationship. Not that it was all my fault,

947
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 4: but like, I just feel like it's such the noise

948
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: is so loud all the time, especially and I understand

949
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: that people feel entitled to my dating life because of

950
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: being the Bachelorette and sharing my relationships, and I get that,

951
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: but I just I will as soon as I'm like, Okay,

952
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: this is this is the one now, m I.

953
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Kaitlin, you just finished a tour, as we close out here,

954
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: a very successful tour. In fact, Bachelor Data just ranked

955
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: you one of the top podcasts. They really don't know

956
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: how many numbers you're pulling. I'm assuming you're very, very,

957
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: very successfully high. But I don't know how they keep

958
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: your numbers private.

959
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 5: From Yeah, your numbers are private. I want our numbers.

960
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

961
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: I don't want our numbers to be seen. I want

962
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: to always live. Yeah. Back, So Davey just said, let's

963
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: say this. You are a very successful podcast host. You

964
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: just finished a tour, a kind of a tell all tour.

965
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: You obviously have been kind of doing the Dance with

966
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: the Stars things for a while. You're loved with in

967
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. What have you been up to? What's next?

968
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: What can people look forward to? What's going on in

969
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: your life? As we close up here?

970
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: The tour was so fun. Again, I called it the

971
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: tell all tour when I was feeling really petty. So

972
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 4: when I got there, I was like, m time has passed,

973
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 4: but it was still so fun. It's just like, I mean,

974
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: you did the Bachelor one where it was on the road, right,

975
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: you did that for a bit.

976
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: It got canceled because of COVID.

977
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: Oh well, it just gets so it's so nice to

978
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 4: interact with people like sometimes I just talked to a

979
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: wall and through a microphone and be like, is anyone

980
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 4: out there listening? And so to actually like be in

981
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: a room and feel the energy of all the listeners

982
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 4: and meet them, and I just I love being on stage.

983
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 4: I feel like I've loved it since I was little,

984
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: from dancing until today, Like I love entertaining. So that

985
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 4: was so fun for me to be able to go

986
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: out on tour and do that. And I've been on

987
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: tour so many other times, but this time just felt different.

988
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 4: I felt like, I'm like, I just love podcasting and

989
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: I love meeting these people that want to listen to me.

990
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: So that was really nice. My wine has been doing

991
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 4: really well. It's rolling out and a lot of targets

992
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: over different states all the time. And I still have

993
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: my wine club, which is really fun. We do like

994
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: get togethers every three months on Zoom. I also have

995
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: a book club where we raise money for charities and

996
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 4: it's really nerdy but really fun.

997
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: How can people find that I don't know. I know

998
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: Spadin Sparrow the Wine, but I don't know about the

999
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: book club.

1000
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1001
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 4: So the book club is just through my podcast off

1002
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: the Vine. We I just post on the off the

1003
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 4: vine page and then we'll pick a book. We're gonna

1004
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: pick Hannah Brown's book Connect and then I've had all

1005
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 4: the authors come on our zooms for our book club

1006
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 4: meetings and it's actually so cute. I get cuted out

1007
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: every time because I'm like, I'm such a nerd for books.

1008
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: And then people have to pay to come into the zoom,

1009
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: but all the proceeds go to a charity that aligns

1010
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: with the book. So that's been really fun. So maybe

1011
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: I'll read a book about coffee.

1012
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: No, you could read my book kell On and plain Sight.

1013
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, read your book. And yeah, this pretty much.

1014
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: I just podcasts every Tuesday and Thursdays come out and

1015
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: if people like wine, I'm really really that was the hardest.

1016
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 4: The wine business is ten million times harder than I

1017
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be. So if people want

1018
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: to support and buy the wine, you can just go

1019
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: on Spade and Sparrows dot com and type in your

1020
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 4: zip code and see where it is near you.

1021
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Hannah Brown, we had her on our

1022
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: podcast recently. We also had Tyler on our podcast recently,

1023
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: and then we just were next wedding and I just

1024
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: feel like you're the next natural fit for Special Forces.

1025
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh God, they've had to have called you.

1026
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I could do that.

1027
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 5: I feel like you could do it. I feel like

1028
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 5: you would probably.

1029
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 3: Win because you know us Bachelor Nation on Special Forces,

1030
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: all we do is win, win, win.

1031
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: That's true, but you know what it is actually For me,

1032
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: I have a very big phobia of throwing up, and I.

1033
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 5: Know I hear about this all the time.

1034
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: For me, I'm so scared that I would throw up

1035
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 4: on that show. It's like a very crippling fear of mine.

1036
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: And so I feel like I could do anything except

1037
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 4: for throw up. But I do have an idea for

1038
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 4: a TV show that I want to do. So I've

1039
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: been talking to people and networks and certain companies and

1040
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 4: I have two really big ideas that I want to do.

1041
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: So maybe maybe not Special Forces, and maybe I just

1042
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: come out with my own show because I have really

1043
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: good ideas.

1044
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: Have good to do that?

1045
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 5: Ben, Have they not asked you either?

1046
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: Special Forces? I don't think so. Traders, yes, I think so,

1047
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not sure. I don't know people. I

1048
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: say no to a lot because well, because I got

1049
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: married two years ago and like to go from marriage

1050
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 2: to like, be on a show for what.

1051
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 5: Special Forces is only ten days?

1052
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I be. I don't think I've

1053
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 2: ever been asked to be in specially.

1054
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only ten days, which is why they get

1055
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: the best cast.

1056
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1057
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 3: Oh that's why I like, Oh I could do ten days.

1058
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to maybe do ten days. But I also

1059
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 4: think I would rather do Traders because they still have challenges.

1060
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: But I'm like, it's bucketless for me to go to Scotland.

1061
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: And I just love the host of that show so much.

1062
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so done and the show makes me feel dumb.

1063
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 5: I have no idea what's going on. The game gameplay

1064
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 5: is not my thing.

1065
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 4: I love a gameplay.

1066
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 5: You could rocket.

1067
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: I'm so competitive Ashley is.

1068
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: Ashley is just too authentic. She's too much of a mom.

1069
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: Now I can't lie.

1070
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 5: I can't.

1071
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 3: I've never been able to lie or fake anything. Yeah,

1072
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm a Gemini, so we're good liars.

1073
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 2: Just kidding, Kaitlin, here's the deal. Whatever season and life

1074
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: takes you in next, it's going to be great. And

1075
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing now is incredible. And you've made not

1076
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: only a foundation and a legacy for yourself that has

1077
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: not only far outreached so many others who have been

1078
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: a part of the show, but also just the influence

1079
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Speaker 2: that you've had on your following will far outreach anything

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Speaker 2: you can ever imagine. And so whatever you're up to next,

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00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: whatever you do next, is going to be absolutely spectacular.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely incredible. Jared and I kind of got to

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00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: talk about this at the wedding last weekend, But we

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00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: have a thousand times where we question our identity, we

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00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: question our impact, we question what in the world we're

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00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: doing with this whole thing, and we look around us

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00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: and we see so many people doing awesome stuff, and

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00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: you're always one of those. And so I want you

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00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: to like rest tonight and the idea that when I

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00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: think about people that have done great stuff with the

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00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: opportunity that was given to them, you're one of those people,

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: and you're doing a great job. And so whatever is

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: going to come in your future, it's going to be great,

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00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: and you've already done great. So I mean that and

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00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 2: I believe that. Thank you for coming on. It means

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00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: a lot to us, and we hope to talk to

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: you soon somewhere or another. Don't get mad at meeting now.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. It makes me feel all weird.

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Speaker 4: I never was. You thought I was, and I should

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: have told you I wasn't, and I should have. If

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00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: I'm ever upset with you, I will text you directly.

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Speaker 4: You know that I have before. Thank you for saying

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Speaker 4: all that, because even even though you might think that,

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Speaker 4: I still feel like I'm not doing enough and I'm

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00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: not making a big enough impact and that like I'm

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: like questioning what I'm doing next and why there isn't

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00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: anything in the pipelines, and like I'm probably getting old

1108
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. Like I do that too. I

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00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: feel like we're we're just all human beings trying to

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Speaker 4: do our best. But thank you for saying that. It

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Speaker 4: means a lot to me. I love you both so much, Ashley.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you didn't get to get much of

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Speaker 4: a word in, but I love you so much. And no,

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Speaker 4: I like this. This is supposed to be a hashing

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Speaker 4: out of good too. I'm just here for as a

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Speaker 4: sidekick today. And sometimes, you know, it feels weird when

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Speaker 4: you have like real ends on the podcast because you're like,

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00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 4: I'm Internet the real front, right. I know we're like

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: just caught up recently. But also I'm like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I also don't want people to think like we just

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00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 4: come on here and talk about my exes like that's

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Speaker 4: It's just like the nature of the show and people

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00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: knowing who other people are, so it comes up. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: nothing but love for everybody.

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Speaker 5: But speaking of that, let's just get one headline. How

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Speaker 5: do you feel about Nick's wedding this weekend?

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Speaker 4: Was and I invited? That's the best headline I could

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Speaker 4: I didn't think I was going to get invited, but no,

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Speaker 4: I'm so happy. It's so funny because you know, people

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Speaker 4: people on in the world and who follow the Bachelor franchise,

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00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 4: they think of marriage and babies as the biggest accomplishment.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's why sometimes I feel like what

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00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: am I doing? And I look at you know, Nick,

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00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: It gets married, Sean has a baby, Jason has a

1135
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 4: new girlfriend, and I'm like, fuck, But really, I'm just

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00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: so proud of like where I'm going and where I'm

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Speaker 4: at and who I'm trying to be. So I just

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Speaker 4: hope people see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said that. I meant what I

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00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 2: said that was not just said that was that was meant.

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Speaker 2: I believe you from the bottom of my heart.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Actually, to close this out, you said you'd be a sidekick.

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00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: Whose sidekick would you have been mine? Or Kaylin's?

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like today I was. I was your

1146
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: side cake then, but typically it'd be Kaitlin's. I would

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Speaker 3: be a sidekick to both of you. But I think

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: I'm more naturally your sidekake.

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Speaker 2: Then, because we're sidekicks every day.

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Speaker 5: Every like, multiple times a week.

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00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: Sidekick.

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00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a great sidekick. I love Ashley a lot.

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Speaker 2: We've done this eighty years. I couldn't do it without her. Well, hey,

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00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't do without all of you listening. Uh, Caitlyn,

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00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. We appreciate you so much. Until

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Speaker 2: next time. This has been the Almost Famous podcast and

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Speaker 2: I've been been Ashley.

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Speaker 4: And I've been Caitlin. Yet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 5: Gets it.

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