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This morning. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.320 We had some breaking news overnight, President Trump posting the 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.240 private text messages that he had with Emanuel Macron and others, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.839 as well as he gets set for Davos's Greenland updates there. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.360 We've also got Don. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.840 Lemon now is threatened with charges by the administration for 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.000 documenting an anti ice. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.240 Protest that disrupted church services. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.920 We've got some new crazy censorship crackdowns on Israel that 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.080 you with regard to Israel commentary that you have to 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.840 see to believe Josh Shapiro. So the Shapiro in the 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.680 show bar here is Josh not Ben is mad about 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.680 the VP vetting process is a pretty interesting one. Sean 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.759 Ryan is mad about the White House protecting pedophiles. You've 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.440 got some Epstein updates for you as well. And Matt 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.280 Damon and Ben Affleck sounding off on a I some 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.520 pretty interesting comments there from those two guys. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.039 Yeah, I know. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.600 I mean, look, I love Matt love Ben together. They're 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.640 the perfect dynamic duo. And every like six months they 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.680 just do. Ben in particular will just drop like immense 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.640 wisdom in like a six in like a six minute period, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.520 particularly on AI, and we're like, man, you know the 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.520 Goodwill hunting gang. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.720 He's had some epic Bill Maher appearance. Oh, he's an athlete, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:46.560 He's the legendary. 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:47.200 That's why I just. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.000 Don't I don't understand how that person can exist in 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.400 the same body as the tabloid figure of like involving 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.559 all of his j LO and all this other stuff. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.520 Like what is going on? 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.080 Some guys love them, crazy bitch. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.200 He's just he's the goat. But anyway, we'll talk about it. Oh, 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.200 I have not watched the rip. I will admit I 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.800 have not watched it yet. I also good, right, I 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.440 don't know. 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I guess you 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.640 could call it continues threatening the strength of the US 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.480 dollar and potential economic fallout here in the US. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:00.720 Yes, let's go ahead. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.840 And we had a big truth social burst overnight that 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.880 we woke up to and had to incorporate into the 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.720 show that is already moving market. So let's put this 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.560 up on the screen. Among other things that he posted 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.919 was this, which the French have now confirmed is a 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.480 legitimate private message that was sent to Trump from French 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.520 President Emmanuel Macron. He says, my friend, we are totally 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.400 in line on Syria to do my friend Jackson, we 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.040 can do great things on Iran. I do not understand 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.440 what you're doing on Greenland. Let us try to build 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.720 great things. Number One, I can set up a G 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.720 seven meeting after Davos in Paris on Thursday afternoon. I 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.880 can invite the Ukrainians, that Danish, the Syrians and the 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.840 Russians in the margins. Let us have a dinner together 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.600 in Paris together on Thursday before you go back to 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:51.080 the US. So pretty interesting in terms of the tone here. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.960 It just shows you behind the scenes how much they 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.920 all suck up to him. You also had the Secretary 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.840 General of NATO, Mark Root, Is that how you say 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.320 his name? In any case, we got even more sort 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.360 of slavishly fawning text messages from him as well. So 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.480 this is the tone that is being professed to President 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.640 Trump from the Europeans behind the scenes. The Mark Root 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.120 one says, mister President, dear Donald, what you accomplished in 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.640 serious today is incredible. I will use my media engagements 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.120 in Davis to highlight your work there, in Gaza. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:22.760 And in Ukraine. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.880 I'm committed to finding a way forward on Greenland. Can't 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.320 wait to see you yours. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:28.119 Mark. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.000 Oh my god, these people are so pathetic. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.080 I mean, it's embarrassing for everyone involved. Like posting the 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.880 private text message as you're getting from various world leaders 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.480 is crazy. B I mean, it's that is psychotic behavior 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.600 from literally anyone, especially from the President of the United States. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.480 But this tone from them, I can understand. I guess 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:49.719 I did a little bit more. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.360 That's from the Secretary General of NATO, because truly his 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.159 fate is held in the palm of Trump's hands. But 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.320 I mean, like Emmanuel Macrome, have some self respect, no 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.200 of a sovereign nation. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.320 Supposedly, So I said this yesterday I cannot stand the 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.600 hypocrisy of these people. Can we put the text message 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.680 please black up on the screen because look. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:09.960 And note what they deal with. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.800 We can are totally in line in our al Qaeda 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.400 backed regime in Syria, where by the way, there are 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.239 currently literally massacres where women are having their throats slit 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.880 on camera. If anybody's interested, we can do great things 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.359 on Iran. Oh, so we can do regime change in Iran. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.640 But Greenland, oh man, this is why they're all of 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.080 their worship and all of this is of the UN Charter. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.080 They are happy to sponsor these CIA black wars that 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.760 happened in Syria over the last fourteen years. They had 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.120 nothing whatsoever. They basically celebrated turning into an is really rumps. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.400 Right now, right now, by the way, Ryan and Dropsite 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:49.159 have been documenting them. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.200 I hate to say, I've watched some of these videos. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.880 You know it is it's like worse than Gaza in 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.920 some respects, like not because it's not bopy, Like we're 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.600 talking about hand to hand physical combat and actual torture 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.800 of people that are happening now we have we can 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:03.880 do great things on Iran. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.039 So we can do regime change. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:09.120 We can violate the UN Charter, international principles, all of that. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.840 But again, oh Greenland, Oh well, you can't have that, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:16.200 because that's about European sovereignty. This is where these people 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.680 are just completely not only spineless, but it demonstrates that 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.719 they just want carve outs for themselves. They back to 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.200 the US kidnapping of Maduro. They said that the Venezuelan 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.360 government was illegitimate, and they just never and that at 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.400 the very same time, Oh well, it would be a 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.840 violation of international norms for Russia to invade Ukraine. But oh, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.160 if the United States wants to take Venezuela, we want 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:40.240 to do regime change on it. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:41.760 We are totally aligned. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.840 We want to take take over Gaza, and right. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.480 These people are gonna take over Gaza the bord of 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.400 You know, the only thing they object to on the 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.320 Board of Peace is that we're not colonizing Gaza the 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.120 correct way. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:52.560 Right. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.120 It's like, it's not that they care whenever it comes 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.640 to self determination. So they have never understood that if 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.120 you're going to operate like that, then yes, you will 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.760 open the door, not just to China, Taiwan or any 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.440 of the other US average at Russia and Ukraine. Yes, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.200 now the United States can come in with the same 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.400 logic if they under their you know, under the way 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.240 that they operate and be like, okay, we're gonna take Greenland. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.880 And so this is where you cannot have sympathy for 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.680 these leaders. They have no self respect whatsoever. Like you 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.040 were saying on NATO and Markra, it just gives the 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.560 whole game away. NATO is part of the American empire, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.280 end of story period, especially whenever it comes to military power. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.800 That's why they're freaking out right now because they know 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.360 that if this quote blows up NATO, which again you know, 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.760 don't threaten me with a good time, Well, it demonstrates 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:47.240 is the farcical nature of like the entire way that 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.040 they have tried to operate as quasi independent. And if 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.920 you're a European watching this, you should be furious with 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.920 your leaders for allowing you to be in this position. 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.360 This is why the people I respect the most are 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.840 the friend and the European right, who are like, listen, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.640 that we have we have completely mortgaged. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:07.720 Are economic and foreign policy. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.120 To these Brussels bureaucrats who work on behalf of a 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.160 block instead of our own national interests. And I also 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.080 respect them because they're not sucking up to America. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.960 They're like, no, bitch, we're Europeans. That is not true. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.360 They are sucking up to America. 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.440 No, AFE and the French right on the on the 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.480 Greenland thing are not going along whatsoever. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.280 Yeah, but I mean the AFC for example. What I 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.760 mean is the AFC was one hundred percent sucking up 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.720 to the American right. The one thing they broke on 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.960 is Greenland, which is actually not that. But that's not 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.600 that different from what the liberals are doing at this point, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.880 because they suck up to Drump on everything too, and 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.920 are also drawing the line at Greenland. So I didn't 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.400 see their positions as being all that different. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.520 To be honest, the reason I take it differently is 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.080 because they're like, no, we will never allow another country 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.680 to come in to dictate, Like what exactly it means 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.400 for us as Europeans to have our foreign policy? That 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.360 is the prime Like, that is the prime principle whenever 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.120 it comes to being nationalists, and so fundamentally, like, what 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.880 these people have done is put themselves into a corner 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.080 where they want to endorse Western imperialism and take over 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.160 of the globe, except whenever it applies to their own territory, right, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.319 they have no leg to stand on. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.280 I mean zooming out the deal post World War two, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.400 as we discussed yesterday with Jeffrey Sachs, and I really 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.600 encourage you guys to listen to that interview, is effectively, Okay, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.400 we're going to take care of like, you don't have 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.720 to spend that much on your defense. You can rely 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.920 on us for that. And you know we're going to 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.440 do NATO. We're going to have our bases, we're going 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.680 to you can count on our nuclear umbrella, we're gonna 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:37.320 have Article. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.000 Five whatever, We're going to have all of that. And 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.400 in return, you are going to accept the dollars the 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:43.760 reserve world's reserve currency. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:49.800 And that is an enormous, incalculable benefit to us. So 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.760 the only really strategic move on the table. There's two possibilities. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.920 One is what they're doing, which is basically like has 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.200 been appeasement, like let's see if we can and they 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.360 talk to this guy. Also, this is why it's humiliating 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.760 for Trump too. They talked to him like he's a 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.000 toddler that you're trying to appease and get to go 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.280 to bed, or you know, like, oh, if you're a 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.520 good boy, then we can have a you know, we 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.560 can have a nice time tomorrow whatever. Like they talk 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.680 to him like he's a child and clearly see him 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.319 as a psychopathic like emotionally volatile, insane person. That totally 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.880 comes through in the way the tenor of the text here. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.960 But in any case can do that, which is what 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:30.080 they've been doing, Or you can reach out to the 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.319 rest of the world. I'll oh, what Canada is doing 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.800 with China, and you can try to Okay, we're not 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.760 getting that defense part of the deal anymore. Then you're 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.679 not going to be able to reliably count on us 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.640 to you know, follow your policy visa VI China, like 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:49.960 for example the UK at our request band Huawei technology 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.360 in the UK. I mean, okay, so those sorts of 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:54.920 things are not going to happen anymore. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:56.760 And they also hold. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.160 A good bit of our debt, of our treasury debt. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.840 Start telling some of that into the market, like if 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.360 you want. And there's no choice on the board at 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.600 this point other than to look elsewhere in the world 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.040 and to try to achieve your own sovereignty at this point, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.440 let me put one up on the screen because we 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.959 also had this which Trump posted as well, which. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.240 Is you know, him with this map that has. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.160 Canada and Greenland and Venezuela, and you pointed out Cuba. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.160 Yes, if you zoom in you can actually see Cuba 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.880 in Venezuela there. Cuba is very small there as an island, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.160 but if you do zoom in you can see it. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.839 Yeah, so all under the American flag. So this is 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.920 another thing that he posted. And to your point, you know, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.520 the markets are reacting to all of this, including the 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.160 you know, the tariff threats and the ramping up the 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.920 trade war. Put them too up on the screen. Dollar 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.679 falls sharply. Wall Street stock set for heavy losses after 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.679 Greenland crisis. You know, at the time of this writing, 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.679 you've got let's see, US currency fell point seven percent 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.800 against the Euro. Futures are tracking the S and P 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:09.000 five hundred down one point five percent amid increasing transatlantic tensions. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:09.640 And threats of a trade war. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.760 Tech focused Nasdaq futures were down one point nine percent. Also, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.840 the you know, US ten year treasury bond yields are up, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.800 which is a bad thing. That means our debt is 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.240 more expensive. So a lot of tumult in the markets 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.640 this morning because of the you know, the wild actions 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.840 of the President of the United States and all of 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.880 the turmoil that that entails. The other thing with these, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.880 you know, the trade thing is like the EU and 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.320 the UK thought they had these trade deals and Keir Starmer, 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.600 who was pathetic and unpopular. I mean, most of these 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.880 leaders that we're talking about, like Emmanuel Macron is really 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.320 unpopular in France, which is another thing just politically, like 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.400 the leaders who stand up to Trump, obviously their approval 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:52.559 ratings skyrocket. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.240 Look at Lula, Yeah, look at Lula. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.320 Look at I mean, Shine Mom is really popular, Like 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.440 you know Carney. The whole reason he's Prime Minister is 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.480 because of Canada's fight with Trump et cetera. But in 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.960 any case, so politically it doesn't even even make any sense. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.280 But you know, this is this is the landscape. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.960 Where we are. They thought they had these trade deals 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:12.480 in place. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.920 Starmar thought that this was some win that he could 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.160 take and say, look, you know this thing that I negotiated, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.079 it's going to beneficial for us, blah blah blah. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.480 Now nope, that's all out the window. Like you can't. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.880 You can't do a deal with this person because he 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.680 is so volatile, he is so much like a child 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.920 and unpredictable, like Toddler, constantly in danger of doing something 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.520 insane or throwing some sort of tantrum that may be 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.760 self destructive and self defeating ultimately, and just you know, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.880 so you can't. You can't rely on anything that he 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.000 says or any deal that you strike with All. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.840 That can be true, but you can also look at 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.720 the people who have successfully negotiated with Trump and have 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.280 come out on the right end. You've got Mexico, You've 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.720 got China, and you've got Russia where running. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.800 Like invade and bomb Mexico. I don't I want to 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.199 say that that's been like a you. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.080 Know, it hasn't happened yet, and they wanted to do it. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:13:59.920 Don't yet. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.920 The Claudia Scheinbaum has not only been able to work 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.240 with them on fentanyl drug cartels, but has also maintained 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.560 her popularity and has kept trade flowing. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:10.360 Look at the Chinese. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.760 The Chinese immediately whenever we levied tariffs on them, they 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.000 just doubled it and then doubled it and doubled it again. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.280 Well, that's all that they showed strength. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.520 Yes, they showed strength, and I don't know why they 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.360 these people can't get it in their heads. That is 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.200 the only thing that he respects. It's the only thing 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.800 he respects. And so if you're not willing and look, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:36.240 everybody knows the lopsided nature of the relationship, but it's 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.520 not like the Europeans have nothing they can do. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.560 And Trump is not really down. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.600 For a lot of pain. He's very worried about the 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.400 stock market. You know, he's going to be looking at 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.960 these treasury bond yields. That was the thing that pulled 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.160 him back from the first liberation day, right, So he's 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.040 going to be looking closely at this. And so if you, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.280 you know, start selling some treasuries into the market, not 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:58.440 you know, it doesn't have to. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:59.440 Be a whole huge deal. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.160 But if you say, well, hey, listen, we've got some 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.520 things we can do and it's going to cause you 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.960 some pain. He does not really have that kind of 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.800 willpower to stay in it. And the only thing that 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.280 he will ever respect is you standing strong. So these 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.600 text messages like it's so embarrassing, it's so the wrong 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:17.640 way to deal with him. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.760 It's humiliating, on the world stage. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.040 Like I said, I think it's also humiliating for him 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.680 because of the way people feel, because revealing these sorts 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.840 of things is just like inherently disgusting. Everybody's had that 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.480 situation where their friend or there it's like an abusive relationship, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.600 is what you get from these text messages, right right. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.720 The point is around this is that they can't get 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.840 out of it and they have to continue. And also 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.720 we all know none of their behavior will change. They'll 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.280 be privately furious, there'll be. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.720 A lamand report and then cum Davos. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.400 They're going to be kissing each other on the cheek 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.280 and pretending that none of this ever happened. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.200 Because they're pathetic, they're weak people. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.360 And you know, you look at this situation and I 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.440 don't know, like for me, yes you can, you know, 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.520 oh Trump bad, etc. But you have to look at 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.320 these people who lack self respet and who for twenty 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.680 five years have been warned that the NATO security umbrella, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.040 your lack of investment and the way that you structure 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.640 your society has turned you into a vassal state, incapable 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.680 of defending your own sovereignty and acting independently and This 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.760 is the net and the end result. That's why the 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.960 people who either decoupled or built up their domestics strong militaries, 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:22.080 they always had. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.840 Some sort of a plan. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.640 B India, China, Russia, some of the South American countries 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.440 are the ones who stand strong today. Remember our trade 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.200 crisis with India. Nothing happened, literally nothing to them. But 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.200 they're doing fine. They're absolutely fine. Yeah down there, I mean. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.280 And so you look at these European leaders in this 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.840 current context, and you're right. You know, the Japanese are 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.760 the ones who dumped a huge number of US debt 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.040 after Liberation Day, and that's ultimately what caused us to buckle. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.120 Don't forget that they also got a trade deal where 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.320 all they had to do was like some fake promises 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.720 about five hundred billion dollars and effectively in place right 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.560 now with a modest amount of tariffs. Their economy is okay, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.400 and their own leader is conservative like quasi nationalists, trying 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.320 to keep it relations with the US. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.840 But they've handled it well, and of course we respect them. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.560 We don't respect the French and NATO and all these 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.680 other people who are going to be flocking at Davos 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.240 and who are going to be kissing his ass in 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.200 twenty four hours. This isn't even the first text message, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.240 private text message. People forget that Mark Rutt has sent 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.040 Trump which has been released and he's the same guy. Yeah, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:24.960 you know, because we track this stuff every day. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.440 I remember. I also remember when he. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:31.120 Called Trump daddy whenever it comes to Yeah, this thory 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.359 of that, this, these are the people we're dealing with. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.360 Yeah, and again I can with Nato, I mean, his 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.439 whole fate isn't like I feel like I sort of 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.080 get the embarrassing nature of what they're doing here. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.040 It didn't have to be this way, but you made 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:47.480 it this one. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.400 But the thing, I mean, listen with Macron, I will 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.280 say he is the one European leader who came out 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.440 and said they should use you know what they call 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.680 this like trade bazuka, like we should use the most 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.200 aggressive measures we have in our toolkit pushback against this. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.400 The and he does say in this message, like listen, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.120 we got to do something. You're like, oh, I love 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:08.680 you on Syrian and I love you on around blah 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:14.600 blah blah. Greenland's another matter. But the overall approach of 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.000 you know, of the Europeans the rest of the world 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.000 has to get their act together. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.440 I mean, that's just the truth of the matter. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.359 Like you have to move away from the US, you 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:22.960 have to unite, and you have to move away through 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.719 the US. You have to like, you know, do what 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.760 Bricks has done. You have to do what Mark Karney 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.240 is doing and striking these deals with China. And I 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.520 think you're right that Ukraine is a big part of 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.240 the reason why the Europeans have not gotten their act 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.040 together to you know, unite, have some pushback, show a 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.199 little bit of that is all. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.320 Let me just expand on them. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.879 Yeah, the main reason that they can't do anything is 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.880 because they're obsessed with Ukraine. And I've tried to make 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.520 this point for the Europeans too. If you're French, you 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.880 should not mortgage your foreign policies to sovereignty and national 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.600 pride to the Eastern dun Boss region of Ukraine. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:01.720 That's what's currently happening. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.439 The European leaders are so panicked that Trump will go 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.960 and make a side deal with Russia on Ukraine. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.400 They have to they have to start. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:12.919 This is like the destabilization of their complete like mortgaging 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.440 of sovereignty from the European Union to now the expansion 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.359 of NATO has created this crisis, like you should be 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.679 I mean, I could you know, go on for a 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.760 long time, but like just thinking about how vindicated the 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.800 de Gaal vision was about the United States NATO and 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.520 how you know, he would drive us crazy at times, 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.760 but in retrospect he is one of the most vindicated 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.639 Europeans of all time who saw this very very early on. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.480 And they've they moved away from that vision and that's 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.359 on them. They turned themselves into vassal states. They have 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.040 no true economies that are capable of producing things at 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.840 scale which make them truly independent and economically viable. They're 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:57.240 totally dependent on us, and they've created a situation where, 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.840 you know, where they have to act like this in 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.440 public and their own democracies. You know, look, I'm not Europeano, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.760 pretend to be, but like for those people like they 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.720 have created and put you in a situation where you're 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.919 emasculated on such, you know, to such a historic degree. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:15.600 And you know it's funny, you know, I shouldn't be 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.360 cheering for people to unite against America. I like balance. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.040 I think balance creates stability. This is why I would 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.679 always talk about Israel. If we had a balanced nature 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.840 in the Middle East, none of this would happen. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.320 There would be nothing with Palestine. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.920 And they're also you know, Syria would be a relatively 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.400 stable state, and Iran too. Everything would would we would 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.080 be created and have a situation where mutually assured destruction 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.080 or some credible threat would make it so that rogue 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.639 gangsterism is impossible now here. With the US, we have 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.600 a similar situation where look, Trump is an aberration, but 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.880 all he does is dial up everything that we do. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.640 He takes it from six to eleven. The United States 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.000 has been operating this way for quite some time. It's 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.040 caused great pain to us as citis, and you know, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.440 the world has accepted it. And so I like balance 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.639 because it creates ultimately stability. And we have lived in 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.919 a totally unbalanced world largely not just because of our 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.600 own actions, because we've mortgaged really, you know, our unipolar moment. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.560 We also are. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.320 In this situation because of exactly people like this, and 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.920 so I don't know, I just maybe I'm being too hard. 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:24.400 I just think they're clearly my. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.840 I guess perhaps cope on all of this is that 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.719 I'm hoping that Trump's the brazeness and undeniable nature of 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.960 the way that Trump operates in the room will force 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:37.159 that sort of reckoning because listen old, the old world 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.399 order was already bankrupt, right it was. And these, you know, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.360 the international institutions, which I would love to I would 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.760 love them to be functioning. I would love for international 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.159 law to actually have some teeth and for there to 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.359 be rules of the road. That's not the world that 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.400 we live in. And Trump has just Trump has made 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.200 that undeniable. And so I am hoping that that forces 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.440 a realignment of the world order that leads to a 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.679 something that is genuinely better, that is genuinely functional, that 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.160 strikes some sort of balance. The danger and the risk 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.400 is that is that we are breaking apart the post 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.640 World War two order, which, for all its flaws, did 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.760 keep US out of World War Three. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.480 So we do have to give it made. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.240 This country fantastic. I mean, it was a great deal 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.719 for the US. Like all of the you know, Trump's 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.200 carping ow is not fair, the Europeans taking advantage of 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:31.080 blah blah blah, Like we set up these institutions, we 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.360 set up this order to benefit us. It has been 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:37.480 fantastically beneficial to the United States of America by design, 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.840 but putting that aside, you know, my fear is that 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.560 we're breaking apart those institutions without replacing them with a 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.720 more stable order. And we cannot afford to do that 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.199 because now we have a nuclear world, now we have 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:56.520 AI you know, driven killer robots. It is a different 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.639 it's a different time, and so that's the fear. The 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.760 whole is that this forces some sort of a reckoning 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.919 and a building of a world order that is actually superior. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.119 Speaking of that sort of like brazenness and reckoning, some 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.840 of that is coming through at Davos, which is in 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.639 a very interesting identity crisis kind of moment. We can 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.760 put a zero up on the screen. Trump is going 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.600 to be speaking there. Tomorrow's the World Economic Forum, you know, 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.080 all of the world like global elites gather here, infamously, 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:31.920 CEOs from major companies, a ton of world leaders. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:32.919 Show up, et cetera. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.640 And it says, as Davos can means, difference to Trump 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.720 has replaced everything. So previously, the ethos of Davos was 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:46.439 always stridently neoliberal right, meaning that they you know, they 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.240 they want total market freedom. They want low taxes for themselves. 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.720 They want low regulation, but they also want to go 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.439 to Davos and talk about get pay lip service to 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.240 how they're going to make the world a better place. 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.639 Climate change, Yeah, buy car urban credit. 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.479 They did something it talks about in this article one 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:04.960 year just to give you a sense of this sort 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.159 of thing they had, like the refugee experience or like 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.880 be blindfolded and hear gunshots or whatever. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.160 Anyway, that's like you fly in on. 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.400 Your private jet right where after you're you know, you're 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.919 the Exon Mobile CEO or whatever. You fly in on 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:23.199 your private jet after doing horrific things in the developing world, 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.200 and then you spend a couple of days publicly pretending 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.800 like you care about making the world a better place, 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.240 the world that you are personally defiling, and behind the 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.840 scenes you're doing deals with the other business leaders and 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.640 world leaders there to continue consolidating wealth power and defiling 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.200 said world. So that was the previous Davos ethos. 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:43.160 Now in the. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:47.840 Trump era, they like that sort of patina of we 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.439 need to be responsible citizens, We need to care about 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.080 poverty or world hunger or climate change or refugee crisis 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.919 or whatever. That's all kind of out the window. So 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.480 the theme this year, I don't remember. It's something very generic. 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.160 It's like big ideas, something like that. 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:06.160 I have to look at the article. 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.400 It was something like that, like the most generic thing 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.800 that you could possibly think of, and you know, a 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:13.000 lot of a. 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:15.040 Lot committed to improving the state of the world. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.600 No, that's not it, that's not even it's oh, you're right. 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.280 The slogan, the slogan of the forum committed to that's 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.359 the overall one. But no, the specific one for this 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.360 year is a spirit of dialogue. 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.640 That's the theme. Spirit of Dialogue. 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.399 A lot of stuff that turns me into like a 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.000 raging like a true radical. 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.080 Like it makes me turns me into a communist. 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.680 Yeah, I'm like, I cannot believe we are ruled by 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:43.200 such incompetent pathetic. 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.520 Well it's and so the the previous thing has all 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.720 been like the hypocrisy, right. The thing now is the brazenness, 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.280 and you know that's that's the shift. And there's going 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.960 to be a lot to talk about AI and crypto 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.119 and all of that, but really they're in sort of 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.400 the previous The guy who's founded World Economic Forum Club, 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.680 he's stepped down. You've now got I think the head 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.000 of like black Rock is running it along with somebody 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.800 else that I remember, and and yeah, so they're in 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.359 kind of like a they're in kind of an identity 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.640 crisis because they don't know how to exactly position themselves. 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.199 Now in the era of Trump, Trump was planning on 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.320 going there and making some sort of a speech. You know, 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.760 it also comes at a time of incredible, like world 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.760 historic levels of income inequality. Put a three up on 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.200 the screen. This is from Gabriel Zeckman, who you know 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:34.000 is one of the leading foremost trackers of wealth inequality, 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.879 fantastic economist. He says, back in nineteen ten, so like 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.720 at the peak of the Gilded Era, the richest point 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.160 zero zero zero zero one percent households in the US 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.879 owned wealth equivalent to four percent of US national income. 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.800 Today that mount is twelve percent the wealth and power 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.920 the super rich, he says, now far exceeds. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:55.280 It's Gilded Age peak. 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.159 And you can see the lines on this graph that 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:03.639 just effectively go completely vertical. And it's set to continue 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.679 even more aggressively in that direction with the advent of AI. 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.680 These giant tech companies, these giant tech. You know, tech 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.760 oligarchs who seek to become and are on track to 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:18.280 become the world's first trillionaires. Of productivity in this country 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.679 in particular is spiking, but workers are seeing none of 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.879 those gains. They are all flowing to the very I'm 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.040 not even talking about the top one percent. The top, 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.280 as he says, point one percent are the ones who 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.480 are consolidating the vast majority of the wealth and political power, 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.080 and so that is really the backdrop in the context 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.120 of Davos this year as well. 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.480 Yeah, no, I mean I think that's why. That is why. 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.080 Look, we were originally going to talk about inequality. Not 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.119 only that, but Trump is planning on making an affordability pit. 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.320 I will say, you know, one of the problems here. 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.480 As much as I would love to crap on the 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.320 Europeans and all that, that's a more of a side 0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:00.480 project for me personally. You know, it's just still side 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.200 quests of a long health vendetta have against the continent. 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.840 But you know, the thing that really matters is affordability. 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.320 And actually, you know, out of the inequality graphic, it's 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.880 really the importance of how people are able to make 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.199 it here and to be able to fulfill even like 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.119 a modicam or hope that your children are going to 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.520 have a better life than you currently have, which is 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.480 just currently not the case the entire millennial generation. 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.080 That's the sound like. 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.000 That is why the Greenland thing, even though as you know, 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.359 my feelings are well known, most people are going to 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.040 look at this and be like, I don't care about Greenland. 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.120 This is insane, Like why are you wasting. 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.159 All of this capital in percent support? 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.840 Right because people they're like, I don't ultimately care that 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.920 much about it, Like this is not eighteen fifteen or 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.760 whatever the Louisiana purchase was, where it's like there's this 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.520 vast land where we get to move into and all 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.000 these resources that we're going to get because at this point, 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.440 as you just pointed out, even if we were to 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.880 have this idea of all these minerals and things in 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:57.680 Greenland which would be able to exploit, nobody is under 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.560 the illusion that we're all going to get rich because 0:28:59.560 --> 0:28:59.800 of that. 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.080 Because of the way. 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.760 That the market's and wealth and all of that is 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.880 distributed broadly, right, Like, yeah, understand that this would be 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.840 a bonanza to a certain select few of companies that 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.840 we personally though would not reap the benefit. That's the 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.080 issue that I think, you know, structurally, they're never going 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.560 to be able to solve. Like from what I've understood 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.280 in my conversations around, I'm like, what is up with 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.080 the Greenland thing, because like, you know, what is it? 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:24.600 And they're like, well, first of all, and I keep 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.560 using this term, it's a sugar high. They're just literally 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.680 like they're basking in midnight hammer and Venezuela. They're like, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.840 we can do anything where America bitch is basically the 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.280 Trump doctrine. And in that they're like, well, this is 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:42.800 something where he could solidify his legacy as expanding the 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.400 territory of the United States more than any you know 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.640 time since eighteen I forget when the Steward purchased of 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.560 Alaska was I think it was like eighteen sixty eight, 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.080 that it would be the biggest expansion of the map, 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.800 and he loves that. But again, this is a central 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.120 problem for Trump. The more that things are about him 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.520 personally and using the US as a plaything and. 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:01.720 Not about any of us. 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:05.920 That's the fundamental issue in his general politics. Okay, let's 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:11.160 get to the church. Turning now to Minneapolis has been 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.480 a very high profile protest I guess if you could 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.040 call it, where a bunch of BLM activists who are 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.640 now part of the anti ICE movement stormed into a 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:25.600 church in the state of Minnesota. The reasoning behind this 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:30.280 was that they had found names of ICE officers and 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:34.560 suspected that one of the pastors at this church was 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.400 the leader of a local ICE field office. It did 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.360 end up, by the way, that the pastor who they 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.440 alleged was an ICE officer was not even present there 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:44.720 at the time. It set off a high profile incident 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.880 now showdown with the Trump administration. Don Lemon, the current 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.960 YouTube streamer I guess, a disgraced XCNN anchor, was actually 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.120 present at the protest, which has heightened some of the 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.240 discussion around this. So we're going to show you some 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.280 of the clips that has happened. We're going to discuss 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.360 it on the other side. Let's take a listen, so 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:01.760 you can. 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:06.640 See the protesters here have gathered over here. They're in the. 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:07.320 Middle of the church. 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.240 So in the beginning of the church service, the pastor 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:15.200 was speaking and Nichema stood up and said her piece, 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:17.960 and then the protesters surrounded her. But this is a 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.400 clandestine mission. I think they found out one of according 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.080 to them, this is according to Operation pull Up, that 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.640 one of the pastors here is a. 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.120 Member of ICE. 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.240 And so there we go, and we were interrupted by 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:35.640 this group of protesters. 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:41.480 We asked them to leave, and they obviously have not lived. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:42.880 So what do you think of it? 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.520 I mean, this is unacceptable, it's shameful. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:50.520 It's shameful to interrupt a public gathering. 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:55.160 Of Christians in workship. But there were post I have 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:56.480 to take care of my flow. 0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.040 Listen, we live in there's a constitution in the First 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.040 Amendment to freedom of speech and the freedom to assemblant protest. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.440 We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.520 that's the hope of these cities. That's the hope of 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.000 the world is Jesus Christ. 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.040 Be very respectful, but please don't push me there. 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:11.640 We're here. 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.480 We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.920 Tell you is that they're bearing arrays of views on 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.600 the political situation here. What do you what do you mean? 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:22.600 But I'm going to leave it at that. 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.920 But there there's bearing an array of views in this 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:31.640 church on politics of immigration, right recognize the complexity issue. Yeah, 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:33.560 some people don't like what's happening. 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.400 Some people like I'm not going to reduce it to that. 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.240 I won't reduce it in that simply but acknowledge the 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:39.440 complexity of a situation. 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:40.760 Thank you, sir. 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.840 I appreciate you talking about By the way, just so 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.920 you know, this is what you get with independent journalism 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.440 that you will not get with corporate media. I'm just 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.760 here to tell you. So if you're in the chat, 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.440 if you're with us, support us, support us, support us, 0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.000 like and subscribe, becoming member support independent journalists. 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.520 So there's Don in the church asking for people to 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.520 like and subscribe after accompanying these activists where he appeared 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.400 to have had some fore knowledge. This is relevant, by 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.680 the way, whenever we'll get to some of the charges 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.480 that may be levied against him with the Trump administration. 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:18.400 Of all these protesters who decide because they suspect again 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:18.880 they did not. 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.120 Even have it confirmed. 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.800 It's been confirmed now later that a pastor who was 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.959 not there is cape was potentially a leader of the 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.720 local ice office that they decide to come in to 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.320 disrupt this service, to harass, intimidate, scream at including by 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.440 the way women and children. And if anybody's wondering it 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.120 was a multiracial congregation, I don't know, Crystel. I mean 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.680 looking at this like I think that the spirit of 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.240 BLM is alive, and well it's very clear specifically because 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.680 it is also a BLM group that was behind this protest. 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.640 And I've actually been frustrated that everybody's talking about Don 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.560 Lemon and not about the actions of these protesters themselves. 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.160 And then the re action from Democratic lawmakers. So you 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.080 had the Minnesota state attorney general defend this protest action 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.560 and he said, oh, well, people will have to feel uncomfortable, 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.160 so he doesn't see anything unlawful here. He actually doesn't 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:13.840 think it's a violation of the Face Act. You have 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.400 the state governor Walls of Minnesota put out some mealy 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:23.279 mouthed statement, and it's like this just seems intrinsic to me. 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.399 And I remember in our debate, you know, people got 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.719 mad because I talked about liberal protest norms. This is 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.200 liberal protest, like they seem to believe it is okay. 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.759 And again, this is a violation actually a federal law. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.640 At least clearcut to me. Whenever you have the face Act, 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.719 which was written in nineteen ninety four, specifically says you 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.440 can't intimidate and go in and. 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.120 Disrupt religious worship services. 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.319 It is unbelievable to me like that there is no 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.920 general consensus and effectively just silence in the same way 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:50.879 that you seem many right wingers be silent on let's say, 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.279 the excesses of ice to what is something which is 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:57.360 so egregious in its form of protests and it seems 0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.600 completely normalized and permissed, like in the liberal establishment within 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.160 the state of Minnesota, and the fact that the Attorney 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.200 general immediately dismiss it, the local police literally doing nothing 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.000 whenever these people and again let's be clear, screaming, making 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:17.440 children cry, following them to their cars, intimidation, direct trespass, 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.120 not leaving whenever they want. 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.560 I just I truly do. 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:27.040 Not understand how can this cannot be like actually condemned, 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:31.600 especially when this already happened in twenty twenty and there 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.280 was a massive backlash against it. So I really actually 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:39.040 want like, don't I don't understand, as somebody who swims 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.839 in this world, like what is happening here? Like, how 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.560 is it that this is completely permissive and it's just like, oh, 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.680 our side is good, so they can do whatever they want. 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.280 The Minnesota state Attorney general was making a big stink 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:53.799 about political you know, political persecutor non prosecution or whatever 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.560 in the Renee Good case immediately comes out and says 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.480 that this is totally fine, especially in a state where 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.279 you have to shoot very recently in church, Like, how 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:04.040 could you possibly try to encourage this type of behavior. 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:04.799 I just don't get it. 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:06.719 So let's separate a few things out. 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:08.239 And that's why don't want to talk about Don Lemon, 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:09.839 because you know, but. 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:11.920 We do need to talk about Don Lemon because that's 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.640 what they're focused on. And the administration is threatening to 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.799 charge him specifically with Face Act and also with the 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.279 KKK violation, which is insane. 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:22.880 So I watched a good bit. 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.200 I didn't watch the whole thing, but I watched a 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.839 good bit of his stream, and to be honest with you, 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:31.560 it was genuinely good. Like it was like, I mean, 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.680 we played a little bit of it here. He was 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.600 tipped off by the protesters that they were going to 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.839 do this action. Okay, as a journalist, and no doubt 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.160 he has a perspective. That doesn't mean that he isn't 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:47.439 a journalist, right, So as a journalist, he goes in, 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.439 he documents what they're doing. As you saw, he spoke 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.359 with the pastor, he spoke with parishioners. You know, he 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.799 at times was asking them challenging questions. But he also 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.200 asked a challenging question of the protesters as well. So 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.520 of course you come away with a sense of where 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.319 Don Lemon is on the issue. But I actually it 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.520 was for me it was genuinely valuable to watch his 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.839 stream and to hear from the parishioners themselves, because if 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.399 you do just come at this from either a right 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.040 or a left perspective, then you're going to have a 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.640 very flattened view of the human beings involved. But you know, 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.319 it actually gave me sort of more texture and more 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:29.200 context to be able to think about the whether this 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.080 was a sound tactical approach. Hearing like that guy that 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:33.759 we heard there who's like, listen, you know, to be 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.640 honest with you. There's a lot of different political views 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.959 in this church. There were other people there who said, 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:39.920 you know, to be honest with you, like some of 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.360 what the protesters are saying, like I kind of agree 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.920 with I just this to me is way on a 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.560 line and it's you know, too comfort and I am 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:51.239 very upset about what they've done here, But to be 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.000 honest with you, some of the things that they're saying 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.279 might be things that I agree with. So you know, 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.799 in terms of as a journalistic endeavor, like I think 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.319 you should like and subscribe. He's on the ground in Minneapolis. 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.919 He is actually tracking what is going on here and 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.680 giving you a window in that is not just caricaturistion. Well, 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:15.160 so the idea, the idea of charging him is truly insane, 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.320 and we all know the reason why they are focusing 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.239 on him, which I think is also we're saying as well, 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.439 because he's famous, because he's liberal, because he's hated. Yes, 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.879 I think because he's black and gay. All of that 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:26.799 plays into it. 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.560 But he's the first person to remind you he's black 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.239 and gay. Okay, it has nothing to do. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.320 There is no doubt that that is part of why 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.200 he is a lightning rod here. I just don't like 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.759 that that is liberal. I think that that is deniable. 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.880 But in any case, that's the reason that they have 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:41.839 made the face. He wasn't even the only journalist there, 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.600 by the way, so for don lemon for them to 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.120 even float charging him with the face act with this 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:52.720 KK insane and like on principle as journalists we should 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.799 be vehemently opposed to that because genuinely, you may not 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.920 like I know, you know, you don't like his views, he's. 0:38:58.760 --> 0:38:59.799 A liberal, all of that. 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.320 It's not because, yes, but you don't like it. 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.839 But nobody as a as a you know, as a journalist, 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.920 like the ability to go in to document this protest, 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.400 to be live, to talk to the protesters, to talk 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.359 to the parishioners, to talk to the pastor, to talk 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:15.400 to everybody. 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:15.480 On the ground. 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.080 It was genuine, It was actually valuable content and it 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.040 is worthwhile looking at it because you know, I think 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.560 he in some senses did a favor to the to 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:30.759 the right because you get tactics, Yes, yes, because you 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.319 do get more of a sense of you can't just 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:37.279 view the church members there in a caricatureish way when 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.719 you actually listen to what they have to say and 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.319 you're there in the room with them and experiencing that. Now, 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:46.120 for me, in terms of the protest tactics, you know, 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.360 do I have like a moral issue with No, I 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.239 don't have a moral issue I think it's crazy that 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:54.040 there's an ICE field officer who is in any sort 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.360 of position of moral leadership. 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.040 This is a guy, This is a guy. Well it is. 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.360 It is my business. It is a b business. 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.880 I mean, I'm a taxpayer of this country. I'm paying 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:03.960 his salary. 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.600 They are, you know, in the local in the local community. 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:08.799 Just finished for a second. So do I have a 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.760 moral issue with No, I don't have a moral issue 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.920 with it, do I think? And people get very mad 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:14.799 when you say this. Do I think it was tactically smart? 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:15.400 No, of course not. 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.440 You've given a major propaganda win to your adversary. You 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:23.000 protected zero immigrants, right the work you're undermining the good 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:24.759 work of the will Stancils of the world who are 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:29.160 out in the streets tracking ICE agents, blowing whistles and recording. 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:29.520 I mean. 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.000 And Trump posted actually yesterday before he started posting like 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.640 his private text with Emmanuel Macron or whatever, he posted 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.040 that there was too much focus on ice agents and 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.319 not enough on the fraud. Why because he sees that 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.320 these videos that everybody's seeing of, you know, pulling some 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.280 elderly American citizen out in practically his underwear in the snow, 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.040 tear gassing a six month old baby, shooting now a 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.399 Venezuelan national on top of the killing of Renee Good, 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.000 Like he's seeing that this is not going well for 0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:59.360 him in the public opinion. 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.240 Those tactics are working. 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.560 And instead today of being able to talk about those 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.000 things and those abuses, we're having to have a debate 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.759 about interrupting church services in this way that I think 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.160 for a lot of Americans is going to look over 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:14.680 the top and very uns. 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.520 Because it is over the top and it is ridiculous, 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.080 like the people violate the social contract at the most 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:19.720 basic level. 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.480 Can I ask you one thing though, because do you 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.440 also I think you use the term egregious? 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:26.319 Is that fair? 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:26.720 Yeah? 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.400 Do you also think it's egregious that ICE has interrupted 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.879 church services to arrest make arrests of undocumented in moment? 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:35.400 But so you know, this is kind of my point 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.040 is that it is a race to the bottom and 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.200 if we want to have some sort of norms whenever 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.719 we're like and by the way, even but do you 0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.360 because it is a bit difficult when you have churches 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:49.160 who basically declare themselves as a place where the law itself, 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.080 immigration law does not be allowed to enforce like that 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.200 would be like saying that you can commit any crime 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.120 inside of a church and as long as you do that, 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.920 you're going to be immune from federal or estate prosecution. 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.720 So you know, I do think it is fundamentally different. 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:02.600 And then second, you. 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.279 Know, journal in a sense, I mean, I agree with 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.760 you that it's fundamentally different because the harm of coming 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.000 in and like arrest, Like those people that were at 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.880 the church, I think they were upset and they were angry. 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.280 They're fine right. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.759 To come in and interrupt services, to make arrest in 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.160 front of everybody and with children and families there, like 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.000 that is deeply so you could. 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.920 Just never arrest if a murderer was hiding inside of 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:26.719 a church, could you go and. 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.480 You could, Cary, we're not talking about them, We're not 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:32.640 talking about violation. We're talking about what is a civil 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.520 offense in terms of not all. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.960 The time, we've had multiple illegals who live in churches 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.080 to escape prosecution. 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.480 So then it's clear. Then you find it egregious when 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.719 people protest in a church, but you do not find 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.879 it egregious when Ice reads it's kit it out in. 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.080 All the military year and pulls people out. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:50.680 I would not do it. 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.080 I would not do it for some, but personally, I 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.240 can only speak for myself. If it was just purely 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:57.920 like uh, you know, like women, children, people have committed 0:42:57.960 --> 0:42:59.200 no crime, yeah, I would say don't do it. 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.120 I think that you you should be able to do 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:02.080 it a different way. 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.440 What I have seen, though, is there have been extremely 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.880 high profile illegal activists who are actually have committed felonies, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.080 who go and hide in churches at the direction often 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.319 somebody right down there. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.239 Let's use the specifics of what we've seen unfold. There's 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.520 a lawsuit right now against the federal government alleging violations 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.160 of people's constitutional right to worship and disrupting, you know, 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.520 their religious practices that were brought by a variety of 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.239 religious organizations. I know the Quakers are involved, there's a 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.640 number of other religious groups that are involved as well. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.959 And what they allege is not only that these rates 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.360 have occurred, you know, during services on church property, et cetera, 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.920 but it creates a climate. We're not only undocumented immigrants, 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.680 but many other church members are fearful of even going 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.040 to church. So you are, you know, so if you're 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:53.120 upset about this incursion in terms of you know, protest 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.399 activity where I think you're wrong about the Face Act 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:57.879 being applicable here, but you. 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.759 Know, as you can, but it also or disruptive. 0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:02.840 No, it does not know, it doesn't say disrupt the 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.319 text you can find that it's about threats intimidation, but 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:12.000 it also specifically says carves out peaceful first dimensions. 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:14.319 Following people to the. 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:16.560 Peaceful. 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.399 But in any case putting that aside, right, I think 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.680 if you are upset about people going into a church 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:28.520 to protest peacefully during a church service, I would say 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.960 that to be morally consistent, you should be even more 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.320 upset about the violation by federal agents coming in during 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.160 service to arrest people. And so that's why, you know, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.440 I mean the the rights upset about this. Again, I 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.720 think the tactic was not smart. I think it caused, 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:49.000 you know, gave the right something that obviously they see 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.200 as a propaganda whin. I don't think it was the 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.759 right way to go about things. But I also can't 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:56.360 take seriously the rights like oh my God, the sanctity 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.080 of religion, blah blah blah, because these are also in 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:00.400 some cases the same people. 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:01.200 I think Tommy. 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.279 Tupperville, like yesterday said that all Muslims are terrible, and 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.240 the enemies within the case like they have no respect 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.319 for any sort of like blanket religious tradition. It's only 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.680 when it comes to, you know, something they don't like 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:14.400 from the left and specifically with regards. 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.400 Yeah, but okay, you can say the other side is inconsistent, 0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.080 but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't condemn it. And 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.880 here we have the law specifically says injure intimidate or 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.920 interfere with religious worship. There's no it's like open and 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.319 shut for every single one of these pro You don't 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.920 think that they injure into interfere. 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.080 They did not intimidate or And again there is I'm sorry. 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:37.760 Specific car bounce for again peaceful First Amendment protest activity. 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:38.759 I don't think now do I. 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:42.600 Think, you know, maybe maybe like a trespassing charge potentially, 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.480 But the person that they focused in on here is 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.960 specifically Don Lemon, and that to me, I think I 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.480 think should be again, as a journalist, I think you 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.480 should find very troubling. 0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.239 So here's here's my transgressive take. 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.920 I would agree with you if we had not already 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.600 had multiple journalist who were prosecuted on the day of 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.440 January sixth. You had three, at least three streamers that 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.120 I know of, Isabella de Luca, Baked Alaska, and Owen Schroyer, 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.000 who were all prosecuted by the DOJ and basic some 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.680 of them actually spent time in prison even though they 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.640 were streaming what was going on under the same thing. 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.719 You could make that argument is that they were interviewing people. 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:21.000 You support that. 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.000 No, I don't. And that's why I'm saying. 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:27.799 That's my transgressive take is while I despise don Lemon, 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.319 I think we should set a standard. Actually, and this 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.640 is part of my frustration is we're all focusing on 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:36.480 don No. It's about the story is the protesters and 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:41.040 Keith Ellison and Governor Walsh and Jacob Fray and the 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.640 entire like live industrial complex, which has zero to say 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.480 about it. Promila and Japaul even did the meme where 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.640 she said it was mostly peaceful whenever she was. 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.560 Pro And that's why I'm like, that's true. 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.680 Look if a if Nike, surely. 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.719 When Governor Wallas's well, Nick Shirley did go and. 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:04.360 They care if a Somali fraudster was a leader of 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.880 a mosque and it was Nick Shirley and people went in. 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:10.719 These people would be screaming to high heaven. You think 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:15.560 they'd be talking about mostly peaceful not for a second. No, 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.839 I actually would not be defending him because I think 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.520 this is crazy behavior. I'm even said that Nick Shirley 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.200 literally did a piss poor job and is a retard. 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.520 It doesn't know what the word benevolent means. So I'm 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.879 not somebody who's sitting here and defending all of these 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:28.560 types of tactics. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:30.520 And I defended all the January sixth streamers. 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.440 I don't think Don Lemon should be charged, which is 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.680 why I'm so frustrated that Don Lemon somehow, by the way, 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:38.560 we can get to his little clip about claiming white 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.840 supremacy and denigrating people. Again, the enduring image of that 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.480 protest is an Asian family who are trying to protect 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.080 their child from these freaks who are screaming. 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:47.200 In their face. 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.720 But this is the issue, is that BLM and people 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.759 always are like, why does he talk about it so much? 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.480 This is the beating heart of liberal activism. The right 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:00.239 to distrib the right to be anti social protest, Yes 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:05.680 that is protest is that they believe gives them the 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:07.120 right to destroy. 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:08.319 Can you acknowledge those? 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.080 Can you acknowledge though that it is some crazy business 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:12.840 to have a guy who is the. 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.560 Field officer, like the head of. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:19.040 The agency, the regional agency of ICE, to be in 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.839 a position of moral authority like that, like that is 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:22.440 that is. 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:24.879 Why up to me to defend. That's up to the church. 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.719 And if they're okay with the then fine whatever. There 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.200 are crazy black pastors around who are literally believing in 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.640 like straight black national consistent. 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:38.920 Lawsuits about all of the aggressive and illegal tactics here. 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.720 And I think that, and I think the reason why 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.239 people you know, oftentimes comment on how much you bring 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:49.319 up black lives matter, and like the the level of 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.520 energy that you bring to this, which is some private 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.520 individuals who did a protest. 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:57.319 That you don't like. 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.640 But then to me, the much more important and consequential 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.640 part of this story is those are those are like 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:09.080 relatively powerless individuals, right who of course it is you're 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:09.480 looking at it. 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:11.799 Who did a thing you did? 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.840 Can I finish who did a thing that you don't like? Okay? 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.640 I think that that is so much less consequential than 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:22.440 the fact that you have a the federal government with 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:29.400 all of its powers who are aggressively and illegally using 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:33.480 tactics in a widespread manner that amounts to a terror 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.880 campaign in these communities, and with this story specifically, I 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.400 find the most important and most troubling thing not to 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.279 be some tactics that I don't think are effective, but 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.600 to be the fact that you immediately reach for, let 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:50.560 me criminalize this journalism. That's the part that is far 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.879 more has far more far reaching consequences than you know, 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:59.240 some protesters did a thing that you found to be distasteful. 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.400 Well, I would give you the same thing. Is I 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.840 find many of the tactic to the extent that I 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:06.080 have problems with ice. It is violation of US two process, 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.160 violation of US rights fundamentally built Like you, I support 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:13.960 deporting people who are here illegally, so yes, my tactical 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.840 objection is going to be on that. But fundamentally I 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.000 think that people who are illegally should lead. You don't 0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:20.920 agree with that, that's fine, But this gets to my 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:24.160 point about the moral equivalents. Is they are so certain 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:27.000 in their moral righteousness that they can walk into and 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.560 disrupt every facet of our lives. They can burn our 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.200 cities to the ground, They can turn every major blue 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.600 city into a literal shithole for two to three years, 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.800 spike the murder, raid, take over federal and educational institutions. 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.960 That's why you're saying powerless completely not true, elite, No, 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.560 but it did happen. And that's why that's why people 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.960 like us bring it up because when they were in power, 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:51.160 and then Keith Ellison, who is in power, is defending this. 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.879 Are we see with our own eyes very clearly? Oh right, 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:56.960 So when you people are in power, they're going to 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.600 allow this. They're going to use the same selective political prosecution. 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.920 Nobody gave two shits about journalism when all of these two, 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:04.799 when these three I think it might have even been 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.080 five streamers who were all charged under January sixth, they 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:08.480 held it up. 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.120 They said they're not legitimate journalists. 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.120 Now, when Don Lemon is here because now he apparently 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.440 because he's black and gay, then all all of a sudden, 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.280 we've rediscovered the First Amendment. 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.600 There is zero consistency like there is I. 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.880 Think there is zero consistency in saying it is fine 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.480 for ice agents to go in and rate a church. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:27.759 And you haven't said anything about that up until I 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.480 asked you about it, and to be so incredibly upset 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:33.040 about one. 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.359 Church service getting interrupted by a handful. 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.800 Of pion because fundamentals, I think that is wildly because 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.680 what you're trying to defend is the principle that illegals 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.560 who are tens of millions here present can go and 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:44.799 find safe sanctuary. 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:45.880 I'm a church in anyone. 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:46.759 What I'm trying to do. 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:49.080 I don't believe criminals. I believe have the right to 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:50.280 sanctuary anyway. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.800 ICE agents should not be brought in to American cities 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.640 by the thousands to terrorize entire communities. Well, which is 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.520 what has been done here and is not about this 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:04.440 is not even about immigration, that is true, true, Then 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:05.560 why are they in Minneapolis? 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:05.840 Tell me? 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:07.680 Because tell me why did they chose many. 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.759 Agents are in Minneapolis? Because the Nike surely video and 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.520 because that's how this administration. 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.280 Operates, which has nothing to do with immigration. 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:14.080 Well, there are. 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:18.240 Several, like thewhelming. 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:21.360 Number of Somali immigrants are in fact American citizens. 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:22.600 Yeah, but that's why they're there. 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:24.560 I mean, let's just open our eyes to what is 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.759 really going on here. It has to do with the 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.440 fact that they hate some They hate anyone who's not 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:34.239 white and Christian. They are after anyone who you know 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:35.520 has opposed to Trump. 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.040 They hate walls. 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:40.480 They now hate Jacob Fry because he opposed him as well. 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:42.560 But I mean, if you look at what these people 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.920 are actually doing, it's incredibly weak. 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:46.360 Like Fry is out. 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.400 There basically saying like there's nothing really good we can 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:52.200 do about ice agents who are abusing people in the streets, 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:56.360 immigrants and Americans alike. Well, I am much more, yes, 0:52:56.440 --> 0:53:00.239 I am much more upset about that, which has the 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:06.080 backing of the largest law enforcement budget in history, and 0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:08.880 is backed by the entire federal government, and yes, my 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.920 taxpayer dollars. Then one church protest that I think was 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:14.120 probably that's what I'm saying. 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.399 You're looking at as an ail advised church protest and 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:21.040 not a sustained campaign since twenty fourteen, which has normalized 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.960 this behavior across the nation and which again literally burned 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:25.840 almost in America. 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.640 Tell me about the tactics that are being used right now. 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.160 Yes, I've criticized all those tactics here consistently. 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.080 No no protesters, the protests. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.680 Tell me about those tactics, because it has been overwhelmingly 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.719 what people have been doing is documenting what ICE. 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:42.239 I mean ICE, Yeah, you use it, you could say, 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:46.919 and they have tried well. Documenting is a very very 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.719 small cry from the vast majority of them actually are 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:51.680 trying to disrupt. And you know, that's a whole other 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.239 type of conversation where again, we've normalized it so that 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.239 ordinary Americans just think that it's that they're like Martin 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:02.080 Luther King Junior reincarnate, going and putting their cars, let's say, 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.840 often in front of ICE agents whenever they're trying to 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:05.480 conduct a raid. 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:07.480 I won't even defend some of the tactics of the raid. 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.440 I think it's chaotic, and again, like you, I tactically 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.319 think it's a bad idea, but fundamentally, like you do 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:14.680 agree with these protesters. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.040 I think illegal should be deported. I think they should leave. 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.759 And you got that's the fundamental Can you. 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.520 Not see the Can you not see and that's not 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.759 even true what you just said, But can you not 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:30.719 see the vast disparity between interrupting a church service and 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.719 shooting a woman dead three times in the face and 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:39.120 facing zero accountability well, and one being a group of 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:43.880 powerless private citizens and the other being the full force 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:48.319 of the United States federal government and the largest law 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:53.000 enforcement budget in history, larger than all but thirteen countries, militaries, 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.200 and the Vice President of the United States saying they 0:54:55.200 --> 0:55:00.000 have quote absolute immunity, like which one is, which one? 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:02.280 No one is more of a danger, more of a threat, 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:04.200 or arrow. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:07.080 View of it, considering the fact that not that long 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.440 ago they actually did have the full power of the government, 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:11.840 nobody actually sustained they will charges they do. 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:12.320 But they do. 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.120 And that's why they don't now, Yes, because much of 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:17.120 the tactics of the way that they're behaving, and I 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.319 will even freely admit much of the way of the 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.239 tactics that the Right and Ice and all of them 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.120 are employing make it so that very likely these. 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:25.520 Freaks are all going to be back into power. 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.880 But you know, if we're trying to talk here about 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.040 the way that this all arise and the way that 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:34.360 liberal protest norms have evolved now to this point, and 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:38.080 where the entire democratic liberal industrial complex will defend it 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.320 and or stay silent or criticize it only as tactical, 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.439 you can then realize why most people who may find 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.520 the Ice thing distasteful are going to be like. 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.759 Yeah, well you know, look at what we've got face 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:49.160 in us. 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.359 Whenever the other side is in power you and that's 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.160 exactly what happened with Keith Hell's but saga. 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.680 We can't always like go back to it's it's this person, 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.240 it's that person's fault, it's this backlash, it's that backlash 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:03.640 because you love to start with the liberal the Black 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:07.319 Lives Matter liberal protest tactics that, yes, at times, you know, 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:09.920 the fringe of that was very violent. It was not 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.759 anything that should and not anything that should be condoned, 0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.360 and was incredibly counterproductive in terms of the goals of 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.080 that movement. But you never look to what precipitates that, 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:25.000 which is decades I mean of you know, decades of 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:30.160 systematic racism, which is police killings of unarmed black men. 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.680 So how is there no accountability for that that leads. 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:34.680 To an extreme reaction. 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.760 We want to relitigate reaction. It was a completely fake crisis. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.800 The number people can go check if they want you 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:41.160 the number of unarmed black people were. 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.080 Proberts in the year two. Doocrity. 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:46.680 I know you're not genuinely I know you're not genuinely 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:50.640 asserting that there is no racism in this country, and 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.080 that there hasn't been systematic races not just from Republicans, 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:58.760 but from both parties right in power that have criminalized, 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:00.400 that have made it so that you have, you know, 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.440 a mass incarcerated population that has backed redlining. 0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:06.040 I mean, we can go through the history. 0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:10.719 So if you so, it's not accurate to say that 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.279 that protest movement was based on nothing and came out 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:18.480 of nowhere because statistics that is just no, that's not 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:23.640 there is no ability to create that kind of a 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.520 mass movement out of nothing, right, you have to acknowledge 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.640 that there has to have been something. Yes, last note 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.520 to just start with the things that liberals do that 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.400 you don't like, and you you act like that and 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.760 you love to act like that is the biggest problem. 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.959 So for example, again you have so you're so exercised 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.560 about this incursion in a church, you have nothing to 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:53.080 say about the way that systematically, across the country religious 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:57.120 worship spaces have been violated and made unsafe by the 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:58.920 attacks from the special. 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:02.160 I think like quite clearly that there is a difference. 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:03.200 And because you don't. 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.480 Get the difference is that one way works and it's 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:06.880 coming in around. 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:09.240 They fundamentally think that illegals just have a right to 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:10.040 sanctuary church. 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:10.479 I don't. 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.520 I don't think criminals who are here illegally have a 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.080 right to sanctuary anywhere. The only sanctuary they have is 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:16.160 in the home where. 0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:20.680 They were past presidents able to deport undocumented immigrants. 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:22.720 I'm glad that you talked were they There's this new 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:24.160 fake statistic. 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.720 Going around about how Obama was able to deport three 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.600 million people. What he did is he reclassified, turning people 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.880 away at the border. Internal enforcement was an all time low. 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.080 All they did was recross fight, just like they did 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:36.560 with massive were here is the. 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:41.200 Big previous Were previous presidents able to deport undocumented immigrants? 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:41.320 Oh? 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:44.439 Were they able to deport illegals at an extremely low 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.440 rate and at a net rate in which it resulted 0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:48.000 in the last. 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:50.720 Ten to fifteen million people here? 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:55.120 Not violating church services was the key reason. 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:55.760 No, don't. 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.439 Yeah, of course, I mean, because it's ridiculous and they're 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:02.080 doing the same things at school. Okay, so this is 0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:05.240 something that is genuinely different under the Trump administration. They 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:09.760 rescinded the guidance that previously said schools and houses of 0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.000 worship are off limits, and that was fine with you. 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:13.600 You had nothing to. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:14.400 Say about it. I don't think so. 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:15.400 I don't so. 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:19.800 I don't take seriously you're now deep concern about the 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:20.720 sanctity of. 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:23.480 The church services people are so trauma. 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:24.880 As people know, I'm an atheist. 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.760 I don't particularly care that much about sanctity of churches. 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.400 I care about liberal protest norms because I can see 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.760 and I lived through literal mass psychosis where people were 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:39.320 storming buildings, restaurants, streets everywhere, rioting, looting, destroying property, exploding 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.560 our murder rate, destroying the city that I literally lived in, 0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:45.360 to the point where we still have the same problems 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.160 that from what five six years ago now at that time, 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:50.760 Like that's why you're saying like it's an old thing, 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:53.560 It's not like we live with the enduring consequences of that. 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:57.200 In fact, literally across the nation, multiple cities and places 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:00.560 and areas which I love have been ruined completely because 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:03.280 of BLM and the so called criminal justice movement that 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.920 followed and exploded through all of the people who are 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.960 actually in power, people like Keith Ellison, who have nothing 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:12.320 to say whenever a literal church is violated here because 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:16.320 to them, that is permissible whereas any any sort of 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:20.880 action to arrest people here illegally is what really gets. 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.960 Them all spun up about. But there have the same 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:25.840 selected that way. 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:31.320 Not through before this, Before this, you know, multiple thousand 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:35.120 federal agents storming the streets of Minneapolis, the whole region, 1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:39.800 twin cities. Before that, I was doing enforcement, there was 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:41.720 immigration enforcement in Minnesota. 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.920 No, that's not true, because is true. This is this 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.080 is the problem. 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:49.120 Sanctuary cities make it so that the jails do not 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:50.720 turn over report. 1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:52.440 That is that is not true. 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:54.880 They do not comes with detention. 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.920 True when it comes to violent criminals. There has been 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:04.040 cooperation between Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota. Have there 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:07.280 been ICE enforcement actions in Minneapolis prior to the. 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:12.000 Search Yes, previous regime where you only believe that people functions. 1:01:12.680 --> 1:01:18.200 Under this Trump administration, there have been ongoing ICE actions 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:19.840 in and around Minneapolis. 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.960 Did they stoke this back? No, So what does that 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:23.720 tell you. 1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:26.960 No, people do not object to any undocumented in or 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:28.640 there may be some people like that, but by and 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:32.160 large to any undocumented immigrants getting deported. No. What they 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:34.880 object to is what they're seeing right now in the 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.240 streets of Minneapolis, and. 1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:39.080 They should object to that they should be horrified by that. 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:40.520 I'm horrified by that. 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:44.920 I'm horrified by giving the absolute immunity to a bunch 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.160 of massed thugs who have said to people now they 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:50.400 have threatened them, They've said, didn't you learn the lesson 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:53.880 from that lesbian bitch. They are using the murder of 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:58.880 Renee Goods as their ability to threaten people with the 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:03.040 same type actions we have already seen now multiple shootings. 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:07.720 We've seen also immigrants dying routinely now when they're in detention. 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.760 So yes, I think people are right to be upset 1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:13.400 about that. That doesn't mean that they object to any 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:16.960 immigrant ever being deported. It means they object to what 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.760 is happening right now, and they should. 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:21.160 And so I am. 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:24.560 Going like, I think that is a far more consequential 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:28.040 thing to happen in this country right now, backed by 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:32.240 our tax dollars, with this private army for Trump and 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:36.680 for Steven Miller that is completely rogue and completely unaccountable 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.040 to the law. I think that is a vastly, vastly 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:43.840 more important issue than some protesters who you know, I 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:46.760 think you could probably listen. I think when you protest, 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.240 if you violate the law, like there's an expectation that 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:53.720 you may risk arrest, like could they get trespassing charges potentially, 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:55.720 you know, will the government go after them for the 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:57.600 Face Act? That can be litigated in court. I don't 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.320 think that they'll succeed, but sure they took on that risk. 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:03.280 Is vie is usually not is met with a fine. 1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:04.840 So just to be clear, like, I'm not saying all 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.840 these people should be thrown in prison for years at all, 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.200 and that's why again I would ignore it. But you know, 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.280 to your point there, I do think it is a 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:14.439 bit of a canard whenever people are saying they don't 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.480 like even when you're talking about violent protesters, People like 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:21.000 me believe, I mean Joe Biden, the so called moderate 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.440 believe that people who are here illegally, who are caught 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:27.800 drunk driving should not be deported. That is insane, insane. 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:30.120 You're putting people at risk and you shouldn't be deported. 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:33.360 The liberal line appears now to be that unless you're 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:36.200 a violent rapist or murderer, that you get to stay here, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:38.919 even though you cross into our country illegally, and even 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:41.000 though you're probably going to be a massive net drain 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:43.000 on our social safety net, which just grant you all 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.720 citizenship like this is what like is. It is genuine 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.920 slide of hand. There are tens of millions, somewhere between 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:52.720 twenty and thirty people thirty million people who are present 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:54.800 in this country illegally, and I think people should just 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:56.880 be honest liberals and say, yes, we want to vast 1:03:56.960 --> 1:03:59.600 we want to legalize the absolute, vast majority of them 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:02.400 areless of the consequences, and we want people I would 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:05.120 like to talk about tax dollars to pay for all 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:05.680 of their healthcare. 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:07.480 People who don't speak any English. 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:11.400 Authority of them are net contributors to This is a 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:12.280 complete canard. 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:14.160 And even if you had a small percentage, which are 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:14.600 going to be. 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:16.840 I think people should be saying that. 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.640 I think people should say that because that is actually 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.080 the place where the American people are, that is where 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:27.640 the majority position is. They be No, even even at 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:31.320 the height of the anti immigrant backlash, even at the 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:33.840 height of that, you still had much more complex views 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:37.280 on immigration than has been portrayed. So yes, the American 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.880 people do not they the view that you're articulating as 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.640 being just like some stupid liberal position. 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:44.360 That is the position of the American people. 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.400 That we should legalize everyone and give them all free. 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:49.600 But if you that, if you have been here and 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.480 you've abided by the law and you've paid your taxes, 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:54.480 that there should be some path to citizens. 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:55.520 And yet they don't. 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:58.400 They don't agree with what is going on. They don't 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:02.760 agree certainly with the you know, insane tactics of this 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:07.720 private these private thugs, which again, I it your immigration 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:11.640 is the pretext here, but this really is about a 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:12.640 police state. 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:14.480 It is about a mass crackdown. 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:19.440 It is about threatening retribution against the opposition, making it 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.400 so that you know, things are you know, basic protest 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:23.560 is criminalized. 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:25.240 I think the multiple things can be true. 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:29.160 The administration believes that if you protest against them, you 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:31.680 are a domestic terrorists. That is there, That is their 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:35.680 stated definition. And again I think that is like, that's 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:37.960 that's the thing that we should really be focused on 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:39.760 right now, because these are the people that are in 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:42.080 power right now. This is what they're doing right now, 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:45.640 and you know, most of America is horrified by it. 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:47.480 Frankly, look, I think they should be horrified. 1:05:47.480 --> 1:05:50.920 I objected immediately to labeling Renee Good a terrorist, but 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:52.720 you know, one of these is it's always you know, 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:54.439 yesterday I was feeling very left wing. 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:56.680 Today I feel very right wing. I'm like, oh, right, 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:57.640 I forgot what. 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:00.000 Exactly it is like or would be like to live 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:02.480 back under the thumb of these people, And like, I 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:05.360 don't think that we should really forget what you know, 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:09.200 you're talking about normalization. This was normalized over literally a decade. 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:12.560 It has been accepted. There is an extreme position in 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:15.400 the way that you look at mass deportation, Like I'm sorry, 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:18.400 like legalizing people giving them free health care. No, it's 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:19.800 not happening if I get. 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.280 This free healthcare this country. 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.320 Your position is free health care for everyone, and legalization 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:30.600 that is for illegals and for people who are here illegally. 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:32.840 That is not something I will ever support. I don't 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.360 think anybody should support that empirically. And like, this is 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:39.000 where I do think it is important to also note 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.560 that because of the position of the moral righteousness, which 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:45.960 is the heart of all liberal activism, where they genuinely 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:48.680 cannot see, like, I don't think anybody can see in 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:51.480 the way that you're framing it. Your look ice purely 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.200 as some sort of intimidation factor, and the fact is 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:57.080 immigration is a part of that. Now, can it be 1:06:57.240 --> 1:06:59.480 done without many of the bad things that they've done. 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:00.320 And that's what you know. 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:03.000 Often the criticism is like, you only object to the tactics. 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:04.760 It's like, yeah, because I agree with the idea they 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.200 should get deported. I think it's basically your view here 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.760 on the protests. Yes, we can't agree on enforcement. I 1:07:10.960 --> 1:07:13.880 would be much happier with one hundred percent remittance tax 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:17.160 and mandatory verify and taking a bunch of these employers 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:19.640 who vastly profit off of all of this and throw 1:07:19.680 --> 1:07:22.480 them in prison and then basically encourage everybody to go back, 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.320 more humane way to do it, less headlines. Yeah, but 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:27.840 to be honest, and let's let's be clear here. Libs 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:30.680 would be screeching and crying about that too. They would 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:33.840 like the idea that they only object to ice tactics 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:34.880 is bullshit. 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.160 They want them to stay your legally hypothetical. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:42.040 We have the reality the criticized them and gide in 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:44.640 anybody who even remotely sent people back. 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:45.680 They were mad about it. 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:47.640 They believe that they should stay it and we should 1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:49.120 do nothing. They don't care about the time. 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:52.120 Are allowed to have that view. We're allowed to have 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:52.520 that view. 1:07:52.520 --> 1:07:53.960 You can leave anything. 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:56.080 Here's The thing is, you know, you're very upset about 1:07:56.080 --> 1:08:01.560 their moral righteousness, like they are allowed to have a perspective. 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:03.960 And I do think, I do think that their perspective 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:08.240 is morally righteous because it is about you know, so 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:11.280 I don't quit. I don't think the two things are equivalent, 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:14.000 like I don't think that no position of the right 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:18.439 eye and the position of the left are more. But 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:21.559 I'm saying there is there is right and wrong, Like 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:26.519 it is wrong watching that man, elderly man drug out 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:31.240 on the street in the cold, humiliated in his shorts only, 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.800 and you know, turns out he's an American citizen. Hours 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:37.720 later they bring him back. Right, Watching that seventeen year 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:40.800 old at Target who they beat the shit out of 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.360 him and then drop him off, you know, miles away, 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:48.080 and he's crying and bloodied, watching a six month old 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:49.479 baby get tear gassed. 1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:51.599 And then the way they lie about all of it. 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.520 This Venezuelan man who got shot on the leg completely 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:58.040 lied about all of that, and of course Rene good like, yes, 1:08:58.400 --> 1:08:59.959 I yes, I feel. 1:08:59.800 --> 1:09:03.000 Very much that is on the correct, morally right. 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:04.880 Tous side to say those things are wrong, and that 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:09.120 the people who are protesting those things are genuinely courageous 1:09:09.439 --> 1:09:13.000 and noble, and that like more people should aspire to 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.400 hold values and actually fight for them. 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:17.280 Which is why, you know, even with. 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:20.559 These protesters, the only reason I'll criticize the tactics. 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:22.559 I think the tactics were foolish, but I think. 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:26.080 It was freakin' ballsy. I admire the fact that they 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.479 have the balls to do something I'm not doing right 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:30.599 now and go out there in the streets and try 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:32.280 to make a difference. Do I think that this was 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.240 the wrong approach in terms of the Yes, I do. 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:38.360 I don't think it was beneficial. Admire the hell on 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:41.360 and yeah I do, I actually do, because they are 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:45.000 putting their actions where their mouth is. They're not just 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:48.240 complaining about it on Twitter or posting. They're going out 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.519 and they are trying to do something about a moral 1:09:50.600 --> 1:09:52.960 wrong that they see. And I think that is I 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:56.400 think it is incredibly noble thing to do to have 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:58.080 a value and to be willing to actually go out 1:09:58.080 --> 1:09:58.280 and fight. 1:09:58.360 --> 1:10:00.840 Fine, then you know, every right winger January sixth was 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:04.000 courageous and noble under your definition, because only because you agree, 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:08.800 you're basically saying no, because because we are actually. 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:09.799 Moral there. 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:15.000 Is defined, but you don't even agree with the thing 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:17.599 they were doing. Like the election was not rigged and stolen. 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:21.920 They were like breaking the law and violent, like you know, 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:25.439 beating up cops. Yes, and it was vastly more violent 1:10:25.800 --> 1:10:27.240 than anything that we have seen. 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:30.439 I'm not protest. I'm saying that moral equivalence is. 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:33.800 It's no, no, no, no, I'm saying there is no moral 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:36.439 equivalence between those two things, only for. 1:10:36.439 --> 1:10:38.880 Many people, the morality of tens of millions of people here. 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:41.400 I legally, you're doing like a very relativist thing. 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:44.719 Yes, where we live in a country. 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:48.639 No, you're doing a moral relativist position where there can 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:50.479 be no right or wrong. It's all just in the 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:52.719 eye of the beholder, which is actually a very left 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:55.000 wing thing to do and which I don't agree with. 1:10:55.320 --> 1:10:57.200 I think there is right and wrong. I think there 1:10:57.280 --> 1:10:59.400 is good and bad. I think there is good and evil, 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:02.680 and so, yes, what they did on January sixth was 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:05.240 stupid and it was for a bad and wrong cause. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:06.759 What these protesters are. 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:11.080 Doing in general in Minneapolis is for a righteous cause. 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:15.400 And I think that that is no, because there is 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:16.800 such a thing as good and bad. 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:19.280 Yeah, everybody who marched against civil rights who were in 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.960 the white crowds. Black people thought that they were in 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:24.320 the right and they were uploading and they were wrong. 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:25.200 That's my point. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:28.040 That's my point is that the January sixers, but in 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:31.760 their mind they were morally righteous, were incorrect. Right, these 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:33.680 people are correct, And you agree with me on that, 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.800 like you also objected these ice tactics, and you also 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:38.640 don't think that the election was stolen and that that 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:39.200 was stupid. 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:41.120 So clearly there is some you know. 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:44.920 Ability to see objectively that some things causes are worthy 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:48.000 and noble, and some causes are bad and wrong. That's 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.120 all I'm saying. Okay, fine, because you're doing a home 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:50.799 morel relative. 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:52.880 Well, in their mind they think, but they're wrong and 1:11:52.960 --> 1:11:53.640 these people are not. 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.080 Yeah, but if I went back to the nineteen fifties, 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:58.080 a vast portion of the public would have agreed with 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:00.160 the people who were storming, and there would have and 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:02.840 let's say a debate here on and many people. Okay, 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:04.720 we could say that in retrospect. But the point is 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:07.080 is what matters actually in the moment, and what matters 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:09.080 in the moment, as you just laid out, is while 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.560 you think it's noble and courageous. I think that anybody 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:16.200 who wants to normalize these types of things is despicable. 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:17.000 In the same way that we. 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:18.840 I mean, I feel like I'm living in crazy land 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.800 sometimes because it's like we haven't sat here and criticized ice. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.120 We haven't sat here, and so that the tactics are 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.000 bad as if we haven't sat here and said yes, 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:27.160 they've often violated. 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:29.400 All of that is readily admittable. 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:33.200 However, However, again that does not give you license to 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:37.120 be rampaging through private institutions and to go and intimidate 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:40.759 people who you disagree with, which is the fundamental belief 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.920 of left wing activism in and of itself. They do 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:47.360 not actually believe that my position or the position of 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.840 millions of people, for many who voted in twenty twenty 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:52.840 four that mass deportation and illegal should go back, which 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:55.760 again won the popular vote. Let me remind everyone that 1:12:56.000 --> 1:12:58.519 is not a legitimate position, and that any of those 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:00.720 people should be driven from public life and have no 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:03.680 right and tower to speak. That is probably the mainstream 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.920 view of liberal activism. And let's say DSA or any 1:13:06.960 --> 1:13:10.439 of these types of people, that is objectionable because it 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:12.880 is pretty clear to me that those people are not 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:15.840 really consistent with any sort of democratic values. And for 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.920 all the left's talk of nineteen thirties Germany, what they 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:21.040 forget is that these were the same tactics used by 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:24.400 the communists. This is actually the exact same playbook of 1:13:24.439 --> 1:13:26.680 street gangs and all of that that was playing out 1:13:26.720 --> 1:13:29.439 of anarchism at the time didn't work out so well 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.200 for all of you. Or the Spanish Civil War and 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:33.120 the same murder of a lot of people who were 1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:35.880 in religious institutions, which is eventually what led to the 1:13:35.920 --> 1:13:37.120 rise of Spanish fascism. 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:38.880 Because it's not just about tactics. 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.160 It is also about the same level of moralism of 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:46.240 protest behavior, and I view that fundamentally as a danger. 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:48.519 You don't because you think it's courageous. It is a 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:51.640 massive danger to living in a heterogeneous society. And the 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:54.040 same way that you see illiberalism on the right, I 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:57.400 can point to this exactly and the handling and the 1:13:57.400 --> 1:14:01.920 basically effective endorsement of this by the democratic industrial complex 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:04.760 and to say, wow, illiberalism is still alive and well 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:08.960 whenever it comes to the institutionalized that we can. 1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:09.479 We can wrap this up. 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:14.080 But I will just say there is really no comparison 1:14:14.400 --> 1:14:18.000 between the quote unquote illiberalism of the Biden administration, which 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.599 I you know, yes condemn, you were. 1:14:20.560 --> 1:14:21.679 One of the few europe that's. 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:25.639 Okay, yeah, and the illiberalism of the Trump administration. There 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:29.479 is no comparison. There is no comparison. And I mean 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.360 we're about to cover some of the like rise of 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:37.840 censorship and whatever. You have the criminalizing of pro Palestinian descent, 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:41.479 you have the labeling of anyone who would protest them 1:14:41.520 --> 1:14:45.360 as domestic terrorists. You have the absolute immunity granted to 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.439 ice thugs to rampage in American streets. 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:50.280 Can we can we just say just because the Vice 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:51.639 president said it doesn't make it true? 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:56.000 That is no, but it but not to harp on this, 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.320 but it does actually make it true because that is 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:01.240 the way that they're operating. I mean, is Jonathan Ross 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:02.200 being investigated? 1:15:02.680 --> 1:15:04.760 No, but you absolutely yes. 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:07.200 It would be to say that he's forever has immunity, 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:10.000 which is like not true. Liberals will eventually come back 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:12.080 into power and there's no statute of limitation on murder. 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:17.360 I think you would also, Yeah, but it's pretty maybe, 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:20.439 I mean, but yet that are even eligible for pardon. 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:23.040 Yes, uh, well, yeah, I'm pretty sure. 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:25.400 I checked on this and there was some weird case 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.120 lock something about state charges. 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:29.840 I'm not exactly sure, but my understanding is that he 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:33.400 could be pardoned the state and federal thing. It's a 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:35.840 it's a question mark. But in any case, the view 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:38.400 of this administration is that they have absolutely immunity, and 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:40.719 that is the way that they have that those agents 1:15:40.720 --> 1:15:42.840 have clearly internalized based on the way they're acting and 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.639 also the things that they're saying to protesters on the street. 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:50.559 So in any case, that is nowhere like they are 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:55.240 not in the same ballpark with the illiberalism that was 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:59.599 evidenced in the Biden administration, which was you know, marginal 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:02.400 compared to what we are seeing here in terms of 1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:06.479 the criminalization of dissent and the you know, the crushing 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:09.400 of the media, the crushing like even bringing law firms 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:14.200 to heal universities, getting professors fired, all of that, and 1:16:14.240 --> 1:16:17.040 they genuinely, like Trump will say it, he thinks it 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:20.400 should be illegal to criticize him. He says that out loud, right, 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:24.240 So I don't see the two things as equivalent, and 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:27.680 you can rely on me that if you know, democrats 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:30.960 are the left gets in power and there is our 1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:35.240 abuses that are truly illiberal that I will be critical there, 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:37.599 but I am not going to do it both sides, 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:39.760 because I don't think that the two sides have been 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:42.040 remotely equivalent. And by the way, one of them is 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:43.479 in power right now and one of them a list. 1:16:43.479 --> 1:16:45.000 One will soon be in power. And I think that 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:46.679 many of the norms that may have kept the Biden 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:48.880 administration or any of those people from doing what truly 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.960 was in those hearts are now shattered. And next thing 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:52.519 we know, and you know, I mean, I don't think 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:55.320 people should confuse. I am really not arguing with you. 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:58.320 I don't think you're the problem. I really don't. Yeah, 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:01.200 but I think the democratic industrial complex is the problem. 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.080 And Keith Ellison and all of the people who are 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.439 actually going to be in power, I'm like, oh yeah, 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:09.680 especially we it's have been normalized now under Trump. I 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:12.760 think a lot of people like a lot of the 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:16.760 same tactics which were dreams of the BLM movement and 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:19.920 all of that and anti racism amendments. 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:21.080 After what has now. 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:23.160 Happened under the Trump administration, I think it will be 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:25.559 a reality, and I don't doubt that you would speak 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.559 on behalf of civil liberties for right wingers, but I 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:31.240 don't think that that's necessarily a consistent view, and much 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:32.720 of the right is to blame for it as well, 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:35.360 which is why I often call it out, especially on 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:38.559 the censorship stuff, because I'm not dumb. The people who 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:43.839 are lawyers, professors, and governors are all watching this and saying, Okay, 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:46.479 we never did it out of norms. Now the norm 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.519 is shattered, which means it's going to happen. And I 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.320 think that America is basically going to go through some 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:56.400 sort of like nineteen nineties South Africa truth and reconciliation 1:17:56.520 --> 1:17:59.120 movement whenever a Democrat comes back into the White House. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.240 And yeah, I don't think it's going to go that well, 1:18:01.280 --> 1:18:02.160 all right, long debate. 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:04.400 I apologize to the audience, but I hope it was 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:06.320 somewhat elucidating. 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:08.400 Is that the right word. Let's get to the next block.