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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Freddie Rodriguez. Welcome to Dose a Migos.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes Wilma and I get into these conversations

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Speaker 1: and we talk and we talk and we talk and

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Speaker 1: then we press record. And so what you're listening to

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Speaker 1: is us in the middle of a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this conversation was prompted by the unfortunate passing of

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Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek and it got us on this particular subject matter.

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Speaker 1: And so rest in peace to him and much blessings

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Speaker 1: to his family. And here we go.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you, hey, you welcome back to season two of

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Speaker 3: two Amigos.

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Speaker 1: Two of Megos Amigos.

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Speaker 3: My dad, you know, started fearing death when my when

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Speaker 3: his grandchildren were born before that, it's like we're all

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Speaker 3: going to die, right by fearing that. He just didn't

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Speaker 3: want to miss it. He didn't want to miss my

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Speaker 3: kids growing up. He didn't want to miss seeing them

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Speaker 3: become you know, little adults, you know, And he had

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Speaker 3: a great relationship with you know, you know how it

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Speaker 3: is like our parents with our grand with our children,

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Speaker 3: they are born again. Yeah, they become those you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty five twenty six year old old school Latino who

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Speaker 3: had kids, you know. And I'm being very specific when

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Speaker 3: I actually say, you know the age, because that was

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Speaker 3: around the age where our parents, you know, had a family,

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Speaker 3: started family, sometimes younger. But so when when these babies,

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Speaker 3: they're holding babies that are part of their family tree,

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Speaker 3: they're born again as parents, not as grandparents, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: except they get to give it back at the end

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Speaker 3: of the night, you know. But what I'm saying is like,

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Speaker 3: when you talk about this subject, you know, you know, well,

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Speaker 3: I fear death when he's come next, comes close to

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Speaker 3: me most likely, right like it, But I'm only going

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Speaker 3: to fear it because I don't want to let go

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Speaker 3: of those I love.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Is And do you find that your dad is talking

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Speaker 1: about it more now or is he?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But you know, my dad has had three heart attacks, right,

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Speaker 3: and he loves them.

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Speaker 4: He loves heart attacks. It's like the thing.

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Speaker 3: He just really likes to have them, obviously, I mean

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Speaker 3: he's had three, yeah, I mean, why else would you

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Speaker 3: have heart tags if.

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Speaker 4: You didn't love them.

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Speaker 2: He just induces them.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that shit is because

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Speaker 3: my dad didn't take care of himself right like he

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Speaker 3: was the old school day he goes well, you know,

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Speaker 3: more salt, yeah, no dessert, okay, little whiskey every night.

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Speaker 3: You know, Like my dad was that old school dude

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Speaker 3: with the shirt open and the you know, the the

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Speaker 3: gold chain and the uh the tiny tropical forest, the.

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Speaker 2: Chest, you know that the air, the hairy chest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the hairy chest that looked like like the

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Speaker 3: Amazonian you know, rainforest.

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Speaker 4: You know it was that you know.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, and and like he he lived that life, right,

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Speaker 3: So anyways, they say all this stuff to basically say

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Speaker 3: that that, you know, when we fear it comes faster.

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Speaker 2: You know that's interesting cause.

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Speaker 3: You know when we live it, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're kind of acceptance. But I will say that there's

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Speaker 3: always a different phase, right, There's always this different thing

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Speaker 3: that happens in your life that makes you go, I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know that's why what you said earlier today, like

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Speaker 3: it really hits me, right, because I got to tell you,

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Speaker 3: like it's we got to say it now. Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: have to say now. We have to say I love

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Speaker 3: you now. We have to you know, make the trick.

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Speaker 3: We have to drive farther, we have to make that trip.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to say it you know, you

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Speaker 3: have to just do it now. And you know, especially

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Speaker 3: the same things in our careers. Right if you don't

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Speaker 3: make the phone call on your behalf now, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: wait another five years before you have the confidence to

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Speaker 3: worth of the shot. Just let them say no right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear no ten years later, you know,

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Speaker 3: because I think that's kind of the theme of what

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Speaker 2: Do with time? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And thank you for joining us, everybody. This is

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Speaker 1: Freddie Rodriguez and I'm Wilmer vald Rama. This is uh,

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Speaker 1: what is this real podcast?

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Speaker 2: Podcast?

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Speaker 1: You've caught us in the middle of a conversation. You know,

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Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek passed away and wolver knew him and and

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Speaker 1: he's close to our age, and so we started to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation about about death and mortality, and so

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Speaker 1: how tragic his situation is.

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Speaker 4: And at a certain.

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Speaker 1: Point, I just I turned to a woomer and I

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Speaker 1: was like, yo, I.

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Speaker 2: Love you man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love you, bro, because we're not promised tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, he wasn't, and he left behind, you know,

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Speaker 1: for five kids. I think he is, I mean, young guy.

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Speaker 1: What was he forty eight years old and colon cancer

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Speaker 2: I mean, just just how terrible.

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Speaker 1: I just had a cousin who's forty something years old,

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Speaker 1: behind a twelve year old and a ten year old

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Speaker 1: and a widower. And you know, he's dealing with that

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Speaker 1: right now. So it's been a very prevalent subject matter

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Speaker 1: in my life in the last few years. You know,

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Speaker 1: my mom just passed away about four four months ago,

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Speaker 1: So it's but it's an interesting conversation to have with

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Speaker 1: it pertains to like your kids, and and how like

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Speaker 1: your kids have given him this news sort of least

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Speaker 1: on life. Do you think do you think that that

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Speaker 1: your kids have made him more conscious of because you

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Speaker 1: said he loves heart attacks because he does everything to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he just really I think he likes the food

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Speaker 3: do that. At home, he likes bungebats.

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Speaker 4: You put more, you put more sauce on it. At home,

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Speaker 4: I think he likes playing food.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that he's been more conscious of

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Speaker 3: He lost a lot of his bad weight, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know he's walking more's when he's just hanging on.

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Speaker 3: It's just like I got to get tell of those

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Speaker 4: And I think my my children I think really triggered that.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it really Uh, the conversations I

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Speaker 3: We're like, hey, you know, I lived a good one.

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Speaker 3: If it happens, you know me, Oh now it's your turn.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: As soon as my children were born, they're like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Am I going to miss that?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: You think he kind of took that back.

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Speaker 3: Because when he had the last heart attack, I kind

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Speaker 3: the first thing he mentioned. He's like, no, I just

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Speaker 3: what about me?

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Speaker 2: About me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Liver. How old is it

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Speaker 3: I think it's about seventy And I say, I don't

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Speaker 3: My mom's some thing like, you know, they came from

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Speaker 3: relate to this. He came from a generation where, you know,

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Speaker 4: We need to apply for the birth certificate. That's that

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Speaker 4: old school thing. My mom is one out of fourteen,

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Speaker 2: Wow, like my mom yeah and yeah. So you know,

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Speaker 3: They went and they took a bunch of them at

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Speaker 3: on paper she's like eighty nine or something. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: My dad probably is like early.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do you think that your mother

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Speaker 1: Do you think that she was at first sort of

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Speaker 2: Well, she hasn't had three art attacks. No, No, she

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Speaker 4: That's where my dad and mom are so different.

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Speaker 3: But no, but you know why, I think my mom

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Speaker 3: You know, she's just like a She's like a tough player.

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Speaker 3: She still gets up in the morning. She cleans her

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Speaker 3: She she walks it all the way downstairs, right, she

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Speaker 4: You know, and then she's like it's analog.

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Speaker 3: She like is washing her dogs herself, she's doing and

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Speaker 4: And you know he's still cooking for herself and doing

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Speaker 3: And think those are the indicators when like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom was like that too.

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Speaker 1: She was uh, you know, you know it was she

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Speaker 1: she was married to my dad for fifty five years

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Speaker 2: So for her, she was always that independent.

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Speaker 1: But but there was a learning curb of of what

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Speaker 2: I think it's a core terminology.

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Speaker 1: But but same as your mom. Man, just tough and

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Speaker 3: going full circle to back to James, like he you know,

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Speaker 3: we always all of us, they're they're casting. Our cast

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, we were we were young.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah would but look, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 3: unintentionally we educate this episode to James, you know, and

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Speaker 3: and he's trajectory. Most importantly what he left behind, which

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Speaker 3: is millions of fans around the world inspired and UH

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Speaker 3: and our love and and princes of our family as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah to James and two.

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Speaker 1: And to everybody else out there who who's dealing with

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Speaker 1: loss and UH and and and what comes with loss,

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Speaker 1: and and and the pain and the trauma that comes

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Speaker 1: with loss. You know, I hope that our conversation today

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Speaker 1: helped just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Drama.

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Speaker 4: Freddie rodri Yes, This is Doos.

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Speaker 1: Dos Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's

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Speaker 1: Michael Tuda podcast network. Hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez, and

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Speaker 1: Wilmer Valderama.

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Speaker 3: Dose Amigos is produced by Cooper Mole and Sophie Spencer Savels.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Wilmer Valderama, Freddie Rodriguez, and Leo

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Speaker 3: This show is mixed and mastered by Sean Tracy and

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Speaker 3: original music by Madison Devinport and Halo Boy.

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