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Speaker 1: Well, shares of semiconductor companies foul, with the industry selling

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Speaker 1: off globally. This is after fresh US curbs on China's

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Speaker 1: access to American technology, joining US now to discuss religion.

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Speaker 1: Who Bloomberg's Intelligence senior technology analysts. So we've got tighter

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Speaker 1: restrictions now on the export of some chips which are

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Speaker 1: used for artificial intelligence and super computing. So what are

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Speaker 1: the details of these new measures from the US and

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Speaker 1: what do they aim to do? Sure, so, thanks for

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Speaker 1: for having me on. So so the couple of things

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Speaker 1: right there. There was a ban on the shipment of

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Speaker 1: AI chips and high performance computing ship and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the ultra high end chips that uh that are

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Speaker 1: supplied by Video, A m D and and Intel. Um

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Speaker 1: they will uh their US is trying to block the

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Speaker 1: sale of those And we kind of got hint of

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Speaker 1: that about about a month ago when in Video and

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Speaker 1: A m D both provided a k warnings about that.

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Speaker 1: And we don't see a big impact on sales yet,

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Speaker 1: but it's yet to be seen how the US will

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Speaker 1: implement that. The second big thing that I think investors

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Speaker 1: need to be concerned about is more along the lines

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Speaker 1: of not being able to sell equipment to manufacture high

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Speaker 1: end chips to to Chinese entities. And that's UM more

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Speaker 1: along the lines of trying to slow down the development

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Speaker 1: of these chips UH domestically in China. UM again, UH

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Speaker 1: you know there there was a soft barring of this

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Speaker 1: equipment sold uh to China. As it is there. There

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Speaker 1: isn't any sail to that right now. But this somewhat

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Speaker 1: lays the groundwork of officially not selling that equipment to

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Speaker 1: to the Chinese. We can get into the risk of retaliation. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: that was something that Bernstein pointed out today with the

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Speaker 1: move on the part of the Biden ad ministration to

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Speaker 1: prevent China from getting kind of this cutting edge technology.

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Speaker 1: But are any of these chips manufactured in Taiwan? Well,

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Speaker 1: if we think about from from the smaller geometries tens

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Speaker 1: and smaller, about eighty of those chips are are made

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Speaker 1: in Taiwan, right and uh as we get even to

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Speaker 1: the advanced cutting edge technologies, UM, Taiwan holds that now

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Speaker 1: the Chips Act that the US past UM just recently, UH,

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Speaker 1: that that's supposed to diversify the supply. So the US

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Speaker 1: lessons dependency of Taiwan. But even even that isn't going

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Speaker 1: to make a great impact, at least in their term.

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Speaker 1: There's some geopolitical implications here that we need to be

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Speaker 1: cognizant of as well, in terms of China want to

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Speaker 1: reunify with Taiwan. Um and and you know, I I

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Speaker 1: I think um one of these uh, some of the

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Speaker 1: uh try to halt any type of Chinese China Taiwanese reunification.

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Speaker 1: And now keep in mind, I think it is a

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Speaker 1: big risk if there is a reunification, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's Taiwanes want to be reunified. And and uh

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Speaker 1: if if there is a halt in a chip production,

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Speaker 1: um uh, it hurts everybody also, including the Chinese. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of a turn than anything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and God forbid, we're dealing with a situation where there

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Speaker 1: is an invasion on the part of the mainland forces

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Speaker 1: on Taiwan. We were talking yesterday about a report that

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration has a contingency planning for a potential

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Speaker 1: assault that would include evacuating some of the highly skilled

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Speaker 1: chip engineers from from Taiwan. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: in manufacturing these computer chips. I'm thinking of advanced micro

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Speaker 1: going to impact those companies? Well, advanced micro devices relies

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Speaker 1: on t SMC to manufacturers chips for them. Uh So

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Speaker 1: if anything, if if t SMC comes down, it will

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Speaker 1: be a crippling effect to the chip industry in its entirety. Now,

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about companies who supply the equipment to

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Speaker 1: for those companies as well because of the man will

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Speaker 1: potentially dry up if there is a China Taiwanese invasion.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the potential impact on Chinese manufacturers

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Speaker 1: that require these chips. So what are the implications for

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Speaker 1: them and what's the likelihood of retain revalviation from China? Sure? So,

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Speaker 1: the advanced chip manufacturing it will be slowed. We know

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Speaker 1: and they've been advancing to sixteen nanometer technologies and then

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Speaker 1: now they can't manufacture these chips. Similar for the domestic

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Speaker 1: Chinese domestic memory manufacturing as well. UH, they've been trying

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Speaker 1: to grow their China manufacturing, but with some of these

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Speaker 1: restrictures in place the memory market, the memory development will

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Speaker 1: also slow as well. Now now, Paul, in terms of retaliation, UM,

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Speaker 1: I know that the US has been really really focused

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Speaker 1: on the advanced ship making UM capabilities. The issue is

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Speaker 1: is that a couple of things China manufactures about the

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Speaker 1: electron on good globally. We have a report out there

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Speaker 1: that we think they could potentially diversify away from China

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Speaker 1: to about the only reliant. But now if the Chinese

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Speaker 1: wants that can actually shut down the manufacturing UH domestically

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Speaker 1: to supply whether it's your iPhone or your PC. UM,

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Speaker 1: think about this. A hundred percent of the made in

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Speaker 1: That's amazing down Yeah, well, Juno, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being with us. See he is a Bloomberg Technology

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Speaker 1: senior tech analysts joining us here on daybreak. Asia