WEBVTT - Part Two: Frank Fay, The Fascist Who invented Stand Up Comedy

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, and welcome back to Behind the Bastards. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a podcast about the worst people in all of history.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Robert Evans doing my best n PR voice.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good work. That work. It made me uncomfortable. Make

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<v Speaker 2>you uncomfortable, it makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of NPR, you know who's better than n PR.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean lots of folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Anders Anderson and our guest today, Andrew t YEH.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know a particular problem with NPR.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really listen to n PR, but I assume

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<v Speaker 2>they're they they're valuable, right, They're still good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we have beef with NPR.

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<v Speaker 2>They do something horrible. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>They are.

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<v Speaker 4>They are valuable relative to the media landscape in America,

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<v Speaker 4>but they are not like a net value.

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<v Speaker 3>To the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably, they're like all things that are that are good

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<v Speaker 4>in America quote unquote good.

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<v Speaker 3>They're kind of like center right Namby Pambyism. But what

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<v Speaker 3>are you gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got I'm sure, I'm sure they've got their problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're like basically the only thing that equivocates

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<v Speaker 2>to local news in a lot of ways, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that that still exists that isn't like owned by Sinclair.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's one of those things where like there should

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<v Speaker 2>be better things than NPR performing the similar role. But

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<v Speaker 2>we are where we are, right So I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>shit on for that. What I am gonna shit on

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<v Speaker 2>is our topic for today's episode, Frank Fay, the man

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<v Speaker 2>who invented stand up comedy. And before I get into that,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to plug a fundraiser that we are we

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<v Speaker 2>are doing here at behind the Bastards to help out

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<v Speaker 2>the Portland Defense Fund. This is a bail fund. It

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<v Speaker 2>started out, I mean it's earlier iterations, started out to

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<v Speaker 2>help people who had been arrested in the twenty twenty protests.

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<v Speaker 2>They still do help protesters, but their primary job is

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<v Speaker 2>people get arrested. They're usually homeless and indigent. They are

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<v Speaker 2>usually people with no resources, and the Defense Fund doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just help them get bailed out. And often this is

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<v Speaker 2>people like literally like one hundred bucks that they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have. Number One, when people are accused of crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're out of jail while they are fighting the charges,

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<v Speaker 2>their odds of not going to prison are vastly higher.

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<v Speaker 2>The Defense Fund helps basically everybody. They do not provide

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<v Speaker 2>bail funds to people who are accused of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, some reasons that should we are probably

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<v Speaker 2>obvious to people. But they help a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who like literally no one else is looking out for.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Portland Defense Fund is, and we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to raise money for them because they are out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go to if you just type in a

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<v Speaker 2>donor box Defense Fund PDX into Google, it will take

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<v Speaker 2>you to the Defense Fund fundraiser. That's donor box Defense

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<v Speaker 2>Fund PDX. And another way you can help is you

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<v Speaker 2>can mow them at at Defense Fund PDX. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>please send some money, help them out. I donate every year.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a five oh one c so it's like attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>You can, you know, write it off too, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>an actual charitable organization.

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<v Speaker 3>They're legit.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the people who run it. Please help them out.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about a real piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta to talk about a piece of shit, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about a good thing for ten fifteen seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, fifteen seconds of a good thing that helps

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who literally no one else is

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<v Speaker 2>looking out for in the entire world, because the homeless

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<v Speaker 2>are again the vast majority people who get arrested, and

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<v Speaker 2>not Frank Fay, although he is he's like a rich

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<v Speaker 2>homeless person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things about Frank is that he refuses

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<v Speaker 2>to have a house or an apartment. For most of

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<v Speaker 2>his life, he only lives in nice hotels. So like, right,

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<v Speaker 2>really a homeless but like literally he doesn't have a home, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He's just he's just staying in nice hotels because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of life he prefers to live. And it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense based on his backshirt, right, Like he never

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<v Speaker 2>has a stable place, right, Like he and his family

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<v Speaker 2>are like living on the road. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in the late nineteen teens, when Frank Fay is

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<v Speaker 2>establishing himself as the biggest name in vaudeville and the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest name in like live performing in New York City,

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<v Speaker 2>another person exists. There's two people in the world at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in time, and one of them is a

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<v Speaker 2>young girl named Ruby Stephens. And while Frank is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of making his name for himself, Ruby is living through

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<v Speaker 2>one of the worst childhoods I have ever read about. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby had been born in nineteen oh seven, so she's

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit younger than Frank Fay, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth child of Catherine Anne and Byron Stevens. Both

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<v Speaker 2>families seem to have come from some degree of like privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>It's uncle to me how if they were like rich

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<v Speaker 2>or it's just because they've been in a Marria from

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<v Speaker 2>like almost Mayflower days or right around then. Right, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're like old America and they know their pedigree, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I don't know how much money they

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<v Speaker 2>actually have. It's a little that part's a little unclear

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<v Speaker 2>to me. It may have been that like they used

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<v Speaker 2>to be more blue bloody and they just they just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ran out of money. That happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But it seemed like she was on track for a

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<v Speaker 2>more normal life until in nineteen eleven, when she is four,

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<v Speaker 2>a drunk passenger falls off the street car she's on

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<v Speaker 2>with her pregnant mother, and he like pulls her mother

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<v Speaker 2>down basically, and she goes into early labor after falling

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<v Speaker 2>off the street car and dies from sepsis. Right, so,

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<v Speaker 2>just a horrible freak street car accident, like really pretty

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up. So that's traumatic, right, you know, watching this

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<v Speaker 2>happen as a four year old and then being without

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<v Speaker 2>your mom and her dad. This is nineteen oh seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eleven. Her dad had been a drinker, and having

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<v Speaker 2>your wife an unborn kid die in a street car

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<v Speaker 2>accident does not make you slow down the drinking in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven. So he takes what I think we can

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<v Speaker 2>all agree is an understandable, healthy reaction and becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>destructive alcoholic and abandons his family to dig the Panama Canal. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>tale as old as time. We've all been there once

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<v Speaker 2>or twice, right, you know, Yeah, that's where you and

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<v Speaker 2>I met Andrew digging the Panama Canal, and they kept

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<v Speaker 2>yelling at us, there's already a canal. Stop digging holes.

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<v Speaker 2>But we said, fuck you. You know, I won't do

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<v Speaker 2>what you tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>I read you were really you had your You had

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<v Speaker 4>your mindset on Canal two.

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<v Speaker 2>Canal too.

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<v Speaker 3>Electric boogle is very admirable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna make it even bigger, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kill even more guys from.

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<v Speaker 3>Fucking malaria malaria two.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes to the Panama Canal and, like everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who goes to dig in the Panama Canal. He dies

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<v Speaker 2>horribly almost immediately. Right, That's that's what digging the Anama

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<v Speaker 2>Canal is, as you are signing up to die from

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<v Speaker 2>a mosquito or get drowned in fucking like wet concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to learn more about that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to Wait, is it the Panama Canal or was

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<v Speaker 2>the Hoover damn and the song the Highwayman one of

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<v Speaker 2>the two? Either way? Listen to the song the Highwaymen

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<v Speaker 2>by the Highwayman A.

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<v Speaker 3>Just think of any major work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he was a damn builder, He was a damn bilder.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sorry, okay, including modern times though. Yeah, it's made

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<v Speaker 4>by a crime against humanity. There's no way to do

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<v Speaker 4>it without committing a criming A.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're gonna have to kill a certain number shitload

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<v Speaker 2>of people, right, yeah. So yeah, he leaves Ruby and

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<v Speaker 2>her siblings orphaned, but he abandons them before he orphans them,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's fine. So she grows up in a series

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<v Speaker 2>of foster situations. She is separated from her siblings right away.

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<v Speaker 2>She is bullied horribly as a little girl because she's

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<v Speaker 2>an orphan and little kids are fucking psychopaths. To quote

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<v Speaker 2>another great stand up comedian, Donald Glover, they're little hitlers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, look a little girly lost her whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's kick her.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ruby comes to hate school, not surprising. The one

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<v Speaker 2>thing she has going for her is that one of

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<v Speaker 2>her older sisters, who's a young adult or I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's actually think she's probably sixteen or seventeen, But that's

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<v Speaker 2>as good as being an adult in this day and age,

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<v Speaker 2>was a vaudeville dancer, right, And so Ruby gets really

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<v Speaker 2>interested in entertainment and her sister helps her kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get into theater. She drops out of school at age

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen and starts working. And again, you're basically an adult

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<v Speaker 2>at fourteen at this socioeconomic level, right, This is not

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<v Speaker 2>just the US. You're legally an adult in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Europe at this point in time. And by age

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen she is a chorus girl in a nightclub. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's you have to assume some like people taking physical

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of her. We would we call this pedophilia to day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair to call it then, but also

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what people would have seen it as, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They would see her as an adult right, not to

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<v Speaker 2>say that that's not still fucked up. That's just the

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<v Speaker 2>way things were back then. This is nineteen twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>when she starts working as a chorus girl in a nightclub,

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<v Speaker 2>So she is getting started in her showbiz career, while

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Fay is kind of like he is like near

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<v Speaker 2>the peak of his fame and prestige right, like he

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<v Speaker 2>is selling out that This is right before he has

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<v Speaker 2>his ten week run at the Palace, so he hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like he hasn't quite hit his peak yet, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>rising to his peak, right. And so at the time

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<v Speaker 2>she is starting as a chorus girl, she would see

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<v Speaker 2>him as like one of the big this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the major stars right in her feet, the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the guy. He's got a lot of power.

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<v Speaker 2>He's you know, she doesn't want to be exactly doing

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<v Speaker 2>what he's doing, right, but like she would see him

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<v Speaker 2>as someone to look up to because of the level

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<v Speaker 2>of success that he's had. He can do something for

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<v Speaker 2>he can make her career right obviously. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a number of things that are potentially we can

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<v Speaker 2>see unhealthy about the dynamic that's going to form. Although

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to go where you'd expect it to.

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<v Speaker 2>For a while, Ruby was stuck at the middle rung

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<v Speaker 2>of her field. She makes she's a good dancer, She's

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<v Speaker 2>constantly working right, and in order to make extra cash,

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<v Speaker 2>she moonlights as a dance instructor for gay and lesbian speakeasies,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty cool. Like what this is. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby becomes Barbara Stanwick. This is her initial name.

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<v Speaker 3>She's cool with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Gays, which is nice, you know, given this period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>She initially becomes acquainted with Frank Fay in the mid

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties, probably right around the time he has that

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<v Speaker 2>big ten week stand at the Palace, thanks to her

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<v Speaker 2>friendship with a guy named Oscar Levant, and Oscar Levant

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<v Speaker 2>is a pianist who had performed many times with Faye

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<v Speaker 2>and become one of his friends. In the mid and

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<v Speaker 2>late twenties, she starts doing better and better. Right, she

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<v Speaker 2>gets recognized, she starts getting acting gigs, and by kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the mid twenties, she is performing in Broadway shows.

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<v Speaker 2>And because she is now becoming a star in her

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<v Speaker 2>own right, she's kind of a small star now while

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<v Speaker 2>Frank's a big one. But you need a better name

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<v Speaker 2>than Ruby whatever the fuck her last name was, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's forgettable, right, So she picks the stage name Barbara Stanwick. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>she falls in love first with one of her co stars,

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<v Speaker 2>a man with the incredible name Rex Cherryman. The two

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<v Speaker 2>break up in early nineteen twenty eight, and there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a will they won't they thing going on for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, maybe they'll get back together, but then he

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<v Speaker 2>dies of sepsis during a sea trip to Europe to perform,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's just how people died back there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, that's just what went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sepsis. I hardly know sis. So he's dead

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<v Speaker 2>as shit. She's sad as shit, and then levant tries

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<v Speaker 2>to cheer his friend up by introducing her to his

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<v Speaker 2>other friend, Frank Fay, thinking the two would hit it off.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not. In fact, they seem to hate each

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<v Speaker 2>other at first, and in Ruby's case at least, this

0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.920
<v Speaker 2>is with good reason, because Frank is immediately attracted to

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara Stanwick, who she's like young at this point, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like she's just barely twenty something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck? What is this.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen twenty eight? She was born in nineteen oh seven,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's twenty one years old, right, and he's in

0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.680
<v Speaker 2>he's almost forty, so there's quite a bit of an

0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.480
<v Speaker 2>age gap between the two of them, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>less weird at this period of time and in this

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<v Speaker 2>industry anyway. Like he immediately has a crush on her, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't want to admit that and flirt with her,

0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and she thinks he's attractive, but he starts by negging her, right,

0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Like he's an early practitioner of negging. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to quote from Victoria Williams's book here. After Fay's show

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<v Speaker 2>at the Palladium, Levant brought Barbara and Walda, which is

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<v Speaker 2>one of her friends and colleagues, backstage. They entered phase

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<v Speaker 2>dressing room. As he was removing his makeup, he was

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<v Speaker 2>charming and beguiling. He announced he was hungry and that

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as he finished taking off his makeup he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to arrest Drut, where he said they serve

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<v Speaker 2>the best food in town. They really know how to

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<v Speaker 2>serve food in this place. Fay went on a little

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<v Speaker 2>table in a quiet corner, soft music, and it's like

0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.360
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of setting her up. Barbara was ready to

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<v Speaker 2>accept the invitation. When the dressing room door opened and

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<v Speaker 2>in walked a beautiful woman who said, are you ready

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner? Frank be with you right away, Fay said.

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<v Speaker 2>As he put on his coat, he turned to his

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<v Speaker 2>guests and said, you must try this place. The food

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<v Speaker 2>is really delicious. And he like sets this up. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like really making her think that they're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>out together. He's talking about it like that. And he

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<v Speaker 2>has set it up with this other lady ahead of time,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing he was going to meet her, and knowing that

0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.520
<v Speaker 2>levant is trying to hook them up. He'd probably he'd

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<v Speaker 2>seen her on stage, so he knew that he was

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<v Speaker 2>into her. He sets this up specifically to pull the

0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.920
<v Speaker 2>rug out from onto her because he's an asshole, right, Yeah,

0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.840
<v Speaker 2>he's such a dick. And in fact, as he leaves

0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.080
<v Speaker 2>with this other lady, he stops and turns back to

0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Barbara and says, you should come back and see me

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<v Speaker 2>again sometime, and then goes off on a date with

0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.800
<v Speaker 2>this other woman. Now this is a transparent ployee. He's

0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to make her like desperate. He's trying to, like,

0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's obvious what he's trying to do, right,

0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:13.439
<v Speaker 2>And Barbara doesn't bite, right. In fact, she doesn't do anything.

0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.800
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't call him, she doesn't like approach him again,

0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.760
<v Speaker 2>although she doesn't do anything to avoid future contact with

0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.200
<v Speaker 2>him either, right, Like, she doesn't do either of those things.

0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So you know she's she's not like falling for it,

0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.960
<v Speaker 2>but she's also not being like fuck this guy entirely, right.

0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.680
<v Speaker 3>It's not working, but it's not not working.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I think this is part of what attracts Frank,

0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 2>is that she doesn't fall for the bait, and so

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.600
<v Speaker 2>he calls her directly a few days later and is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to meet me for dinner?

0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:43.720
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So she kind of wins, and this is I love

0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Barbara Stanwick. She says, thank you, Yes, absolutely, that sounds great.

0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I'll meet you at you know whatever restaurant at whatever time, right,

0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.760
<v Speaker 2>And they set up a date and she stands his

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<v Speaker 2>ass up so you can see there, you know, which

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like these two might be kind of made

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<v Speaker 2>for each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, So she expects him to call her after this

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<v Speaker 2>and be like pissed off, right, that's kind of what

0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840
<v Speaker 2>she had been hoping. But Faye, again, he takes things

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<v Speaker 2>in stride and he maintains radio silence, so neither calls

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<v Speaker 2>the other for two weeks, and then Barbara talks to

0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.880
<v Speaker 2>their mutual friend Levant and is like, hey, could you

0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.880
<v Speaker 2>call Frank and invite him to dinner? And I'm going

0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to show up at the dinner, but don't you know

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to tell him that. So Frank asks

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<v Speaker 2>his friend who else is going to be there, and

0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Lavatte doesn't lie, and he's like, well, Barbara, Stanwick's going

0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to be there, And so as soon as Frank here's that,

0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.080
<v Speaker 2>he hatches places, yeah, I'll be there. We'll all have

0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a dinner together. And then he no shows again. So

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<v Speaker 2>at this point Barbara might have been it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be like kind of veering towards fuck this guy. But

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<v Speaker 2>then for the next two weeks, wherever she shows up

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner or lunch or at like a bar or whatever,

0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.000
<v Speaker 2>whenever she shows up to like watch a performance, he's there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always there, everywhere she winds up going, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>always there with a different beautiful woman. Right no matter

0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.120
<v Speaker 2>where she goes, there's Frank Fay and he's always on

0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.400
<v Speaker 2>a date. And she doesn't learn this until later but Frank,

0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.360
<v Speaker 2>he's got a lot of connections, and he's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money. He's been both I think probably paying people

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<v Speaker 2>to stalk her and also just like using talking to

0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.480
<v Speaker 2>other people he knows to like figure out where she's

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<v Speaker 2>going and scheduling dates with random women for the sole

0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.080
<v Speaker 2>purpose of like making her watch him make out with

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<v Speaker 2>other people. So they're not in a relationship, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is already one of the most toxic relationships I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess this is juicy. It's so bonkers, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>So nuts, and like Barbara is the good guy in this,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's definitely there's some toxicity coming from her too. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>after a couple of weeks, he shows up at a

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<v Speaker 2>fancy restaurant when Stanleyck and Lavaunt are about to have

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<v Speaker 2>dinner think with a couple of mutual friends, and he

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<v Speaker 2>sits down at the table and he and Barbara immediately

0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 2>start insulting each other. Right, they just start going to

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<v Speaker 2>town at each other, you know, like letting out all

0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 2>of this like frustration over this last couple of weeks

0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.119
<v Speaker 2>of fucking around, and eventually their friend Levant, who has

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<v Speaker 2>judged the vibe properly stops them. It's like, you too

0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.160
<v Speaker 2>obviously want to fuck. Will you just do it already

0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and stop with this bullshit, Like I know you both,

0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.359
<v Speaker 2>like you're clearly into each other and you're just both

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.200
<v Speaker 2>toxic psychos. Stop it. Just get laid, you know, and

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it works. Levant's like he called it. They're like, yeah,

0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what, fuck it. And so they start dating, right,

0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.080
<v Speaker 2>they start going out. They start you know, uh, banging

0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:48.879
<v Speaker 2>the nasties, you know, bumping uglies, twiddling the what Sophie, Sophie,

0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.240
<v Speaker 2>you can't say sex or fucked on a podcast, We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get arrested.

0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.480
<v Speaker 3>That's true. That is true.

0:17:55.480 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 2>The code, there's a haze code called yeah yeah. So

0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.720
<v Speaker 2>they start noodling the whirlpool, so to speak. They start dating,

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.639
<v Speaker 2>and she falls head over heels in love with Frank

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.639
<v Speaker 2>right very very quickly, you know, once they're actually they

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:14.679
<v Speaker 2>drop the pretense to start seeing each other, and he

0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 2>seems to fall in love as well. They are both

0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.919
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with each other, and in Barbara's case, she's obsessed

0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.280
<v Speaker 2>with him enough to the point that, like she is

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<v Speaker 2>willing to give up her career and she at this

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>point is fairly big, right, like she is now a

0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.040
<v Speaker 2>major name on a marquee. She's getting some pretty juicy

0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.080
<v Speaker 2>she's not quite a leading lady yet, but she's getting

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.399
<v Speaker 2>some really juicy like Broadway roles, right. And she's tells

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.399
<v Speaker 2>openly like, I'm willing to kind of give up my

0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.680
<v Speaker 2>career in order to be like a full time wife, right,

0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.280
<v Speaker 2>And that made out because she's obviously very good, she's

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.960
<v Speaker 2>very dedicated to her career. You have to think in

0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>terms of making sense of this, this is a girl

0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.640
<v Speaker 2>who lost her entire family very young and has never

0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.359
<v Speaker 2>had one, has never had that kind of emotional stability. Yes,

0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.880
<v Speaker 2>so she I think, and that's what That's what her

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 2>biographer rights. It's basically she is desperate for that kind

0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of stability At this point. It matters more to her

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:10.160
<v Speaker 2>than this career.

0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:10.440
<v Speaker 3>That she's got.

0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, Frank is an alcoholic. This should not be surprising

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.359
<v Speaker 2>to anyone. It's not an uncommon situation for a major

0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>performer today and it certainly was not back then. They

0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.119
<v Speaker 2>start their relationship when he's sober, right he had I

0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.560
<v Speaker 2>mean he's an alcoholic because he had been. He had

0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 2>gone sober because it was causing him problems, right, even

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.399
<v Speaker 2>during the height of his time at the palace. He

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.920
<v Speaker 2>misses shows semi regularly, left to cancel suddenly because he's

0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.320
<v Speaker 2>like too sick from getting fucked up. So during one

0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of their initial dates, like no one at the table

0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.000
<v Speaker 2>is allowed to drink whenever they show up with a

0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.480
<v Speaker 2>group because Frank isn't drinking, right, And that's the kind

0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of you know guy he is, is like, no one

0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 2>else at the table can be drinking if I'm not drinking,

0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, this is one of those things. Also,

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 2>he's got an entourage, so whenever they're like hanging out

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.760
<v Speaker 2>or traveling around, it's never just Frank or Frank and Barbara.

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's Frank and Barbara and his personal barber and his manicurist,

0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and his songwriter and his pianist and his composer and

0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.919
<v Speaker 2>his tailor and his secretary. Like he literally travels with

0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>these people most of the places that he goes. Now

0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>he's sober initially, but he periodically will fall off the wagon,

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.720
<v Speaker 2>and when he does, he will go on days long

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.680
<v Speaker 2>binges hours or days and hours long is a short one.

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes he'll be drinking for days, but all of his

0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 2>binges in the same way with him staggering to Saint

0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Patrick's Cathedral to confess his sins. For an idea of

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.359
<v Speaker 2>how committed a drunk this guy was when he was drinking,

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 2>I want to read you the text of a poem

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that he kept on him at all times while traveling.

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 2>The wonderful love of a beautiful maid, and the staunch

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>true love of a man, the love of a baby unafraid,

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 2>which hath exist since life began. But the greatest love,

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.160
<v Speaker 2>the love of love, transcending even that of a mother,

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 2>is the tender, the passionate, the infinite love of one

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>drunken bum for another.

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Pretty good poem.

0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it kind of hit, so Barbara would would have

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.560
<v Speaker 2>been aware. Number One, there's stories about this guy's drinking.

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.439
<v Speaker 2>He's been arrested a bunch of times, He's been in

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.680
<v Speaker 2>tons of fights. He is a fame. He is famous

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.880
<v Speaker 2>in the twenties for being an out.

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Of control alcoholic.

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:36.720
<v Speaker 2>That's not easy, right, Like you could buy cocaine at

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the store. Yeah, yeah, you can buy cocaine at the store,

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.239
<v Speaker 2>and this guy's a famous alcoholic. That's like being a

0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 2>famous beer lover in Wisconsin, right, Yeah, you know, like

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.199
<v Speaker 2>we don't have the technology to be an alcoholic the

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.679
<v Speaker 2>way this man is now, this guy is a quint

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>from Jaws level drinker.

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.440
<v Speaker 3>So it's like having a coke problem at Studio fifty four.

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.879
<v Speaker 2>It's like right, right, yeah, It's like it's like the

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking bathroom attendant at CBGB's being I came in, I

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 2>think you might be doing.

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Too much blow.

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like John Dolorean sitting you down about your

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>coke problem. So Barbara would have been aware that this

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven year old man she'd started seeing it twenty

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 2>one had a checkered past. For one thing, he'd already

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>been divorced three times. His first marriage was to a

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.800
<v Speaker 2>fellow vaudeville star, and it seems to have ended two

0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 2>years after the marriage due to infidelity because he cheats

0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 2>on her a bunch. Probably one of the people he

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 2>cheats on her with is his second wife, who divorces

0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.960
<v Speaker 2>him after two months. That's a bad marriage due to

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:41.000
<v Speaker 2>again rampant infidelity. Within three months of their divorce being

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>made official, Frank is jailed for refusing to pay alimony.

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.280
<v Speaker 2>So his third marriage is his first wife, who he

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 2>marries again, and he makes her quit her because she's

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.680
<v Speaker 2>also like a performer he makes her quit her career

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 2>in entertainment after they get married for the second time,

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and then the two up again immediately because again he

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.119
<v Speaker 2>cheats on air constantly, so not a good husband. And

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not just the cheating. He also has a tendency

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to get crazy, drunk, fly off the handle, and beat

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of his partners. He is very physically abusive.

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>He is again noted as being a wife beater in

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:23.800
<v Speaker 2>the twenties when like, as long as you're just like

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>slapping ry, that's not even considered spousal abuse back then, right,

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Like he is abusive for the era, Like guys who

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 2>are putting their wives in the hospital are sitting him

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 2>down and being like, man, you gotta cooling, you know,

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the level of bad husband.

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 3>This man is the time the time really puts a yes.

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:44.360
<v Speaker 3>It's just like.

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Like the Jonathan wife beater, the man who

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.360
<v Speaker 2>coined the wife beater shirt, is sitting this guy down

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 2>and talking to him damn like he's a shitty husband.

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And even outside him. And again, he's not just beating women.

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>He assaults every He loves assaulting people. He particularly is

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.119
<v Speaker 2>abusive to women. But this is just also generally a

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.360
<v Speaker 2>physically violent man, right, Like, I think we've established that now.

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 2>He's not a stable guy. He's been arrested. He's one

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>of the first drunk drivers. He's gonna it's not even

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>illegal to have a drink. You can have a cocktail

0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>in your hand drinking in the twenties, and he's getting

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 2>arrested for drunk driving. It's nuts. How drunk a driver

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 2>this guy is. He had also already again at the

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 2>height of right, at this period of time, there's weeks

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 2>where he's making three hundred grand in a week in

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>modern money. He's already declared bankruptcy several times. You know,

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.199
<v Speaker 2>some of that alimony, right, Some of that's because he

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 2>refuses to buy a home or live anywhere but luxury hotels. Right,

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Barbara knows all of this. That is important to note. Right,

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not again the abuse that he is going to

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>do over the course of the relationship. I'm not saying

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>that that's I'm not mitigating that at all. But she

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>is aware of all of this when she starts the relationship, right, Like,

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>she does go into this with her eyes open. Obviously

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>she's very young. You know, there's a power and balance here,

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>but she's heard of him, right, none of this is

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a mystery. She also knows that he gambles uncontrollably when

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 2>he's on a bender, which is another reason for all

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of the bankruptcies. For whatever reason, in spite of all

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>of this, Barbara Stanwick really does fall for this guy.

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And I think again a lot of it is that

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 2>he does give her this sense of emotional stability, that

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>she's got a center to her world.

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>She's never had a home in the sense of another

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>person that she belongs with before, and that's just I mean,

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that's the most intoxicating thing in the world, really, right.

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I think we can all understand that, especially if you're

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 2>someone who's never had that, like she will do anything

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to keep this in her life. So they get engaged,

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and then they almost immediately get unengaged. And I'm going

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>to quote from an article on Standwith published by Meredith

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Grau here when the duo argued they are argued tooth

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.679
<v Speaker 2>and nail and hammer. It was during one of their

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>many pointless but explosive arguments that they temporarily broke up.

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Faye took a trip to Saint Louis on a two

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>month engagement and Barbara devoted herself to burlesque, evaded friends,

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and became a near ghost. Burlesquwood in end that burlesque

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 2>is a show, right, Like it's not burles day, that's

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 2>like an actual play. Burlestwood end its Broadway run as

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>a local triumph on July fourteenth, but not before Faye

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 2>would fake a breakdown just to drag Barbara to his

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>feigned bedside and pop the question. So that's a summary

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>of what happened. It actually makes things sound up less

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>fucked up than they were. So here's the whole story.

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 2>So they break up, right, she goes off and is

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a huge success. This is like it's a book of

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Mormon level hit. This is the biggest thing on Broadway.

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>She's on Broadway for months, then she's touring around the country.

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>She's the leading lady in this show. This is a

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>huge fucking deal. Right, And Fay has continued to perform,

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>but like he is there separated, and he just starts

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>calling her almost every night talking about how he's filled

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.199
<v Speaker 2>with grief, he can't stand it. He thinks he's going

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to kill himself, and he always is drunk. He's fallen

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 2>off the wagon. He's telling her like I can't stop drinking.

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm destroying myself because you're not here anymore, right, Like

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't stand to be without you. And one night,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.360
<v Speaker 2>one of Frank's, one of their mutual friends, calls Barbara

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey, man, Frank is I've never even

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>seen him like this? Like he is so drunk right

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and in such a bad way. He can't work, he

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>can't even sleep anymore, right, Like we got to do something.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.399
<v Speaker 2>He's going to die, you know, like like this guy friends,

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it is like this is deathly serious. You got to

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 2>help me do something to say Frank. So she's like,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 2>is he on the phone? Like can he come to

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.959
<v Speaker 2>the phone now? And their friend puts Frank on the phone,

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and Frank gets on the phone and he just sounds

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>ruined right, just absolutely like barely can talk drunk. He

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>tells her his heart's broken, that like he's just ready

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>to die because he can't live without her, And Barbara's

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>resolve crumbles and she tells him, if you can sober up,

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll get engaged to you again. The next moment, as

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.479
<v Speaker 2>soon as she says this, his voice changes. He sounds

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>sober because he hasn't been drunk at all this whole time,

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>all been fake, every one of these calls. He's been

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>faking it, right, He never fell off the wagon, at

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>least as far as we know. And he's immediately just

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>sobers his voice up and says, all right, well, in

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that case, why don't you get on a train tomorrow

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and we'll get engaged, you know, take a train to

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>meet and we'll get engaged and we'll get married right away.

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 3>This christ oh.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, just the mmm. That's the good toxic,

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 2>abusive relationship stuff. We love to see it. We don't

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 2>love to see it. And you know, what a what

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a performance it is a great I mean, look, man,

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>he's not a bad actor.

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Just the swil god that's so fucked up.

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Bad husband, bad fiance, bad person, sure, but not a

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 2>bad actor. You know who else will lie about destroying

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>themselves with alcohol in order to get married to Barbara Stanwick?

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Probably Blue Apron. I doubt Lasik would, but Blue Apron might.

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Here's ads Ah, we're back. Which sponsor do you think

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>would lie about destroying their body and brain with alcohol

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>in order to keep Barbara Stanwick in love with them?

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 3>I think? I mean, obviously, any of the mattress ones.

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Any of the mattresses. Oh my god, Casper, Yeah, yeah,

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>saw Casper actually would kill themselves drinking in order to

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>make Barbara stand with regret dumping them.

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>That's right, It's not a lie, it's a way of life.

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just how Casper rolls, you know. That's why

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>they're a ghost. They already did it, so he's just

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>lied to her the way it was. It's written in

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the biography, Williams wrote, Barbara is kind of aware that

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>he must have been lying, But I don't know if

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>she is or isn't. I don't know if she gets

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 2>fooled by this initially, whatever is the case, She takes

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>a train to him, they get engaged again, and they

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 2>get married. Right, maybe she was aware, but it just

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>she just was in love with this guy and she

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>just needed this in her life, right. I think that's

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>probably what's going on here, you know.

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean I think from the outside of a lot

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 4>of like toxic relationships too, it is just like this

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 4>thing where it's like a little bit yes, little bit no,

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Like you feel like it feels like people kind of

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 4>know but like can't bring themselves to really confront it.

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And that's how it is.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>No, And like, also with all of these toxic relationships

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and with all of these celebrity relationships and shit that

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>are so seems so poisonous, there's gotta be good stuff

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 2>here too, right, There's something she's getting that she loves

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and there are good times, right, And there's aspects of

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>him again, there's a reason why he's so charming and beloved, right,

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>like he is. She's getting something out of this. And

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that to like blame her on it

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>or something, but like you have to assume this is

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>not We're not like, it's not just bad stuff, right,

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>It never is. Otherwise why why would she be so

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>committed to this? Right? Yeah, that's the way abusive relation

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and just toxic. Even when it's not abusive, and it's

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 2>just like codependent or stuff, there is, there's always something

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>there that keeps one or both people coming back.

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>So she finishes the current run of her touring show,

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and then she retires, Well, she actually gets sick right

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>at the end of it, but either way, she finishes

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>burlesque and she retires. Now this is not a full retirement, right,

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>it means that she no longer has an independent career.

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Fay is touring on his own, like he's doing you know,

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>the Frank Fay Show basically, and she starts performing as

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>part of his shows. Right now, Oh, she makes a

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of money doing this. She is independently getting paid,

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and she is getting paid very well, the equivalent of

0:31:55.360 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>probably probably a million or more a year, right or

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhere in that, like at least high six figures. She's

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>she's making very good money, right, But what she's also

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>doing is she is clearly I think I don't know

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>if it's that he asked her to play second fiddle

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to his ambition or she was just immediately willing to.

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>It's probably a little bit of both, right, that he

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>wanted her, but also I don't think it's entirely that,

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>because he is actually really supportive of her having a career.

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I do think her attempting to quit is largely just

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>her really wanting to commit to the relationship. I think

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a big part of it because of some of

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that's going to happen next. So this is

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a little more complicated, right, I don't want to It's

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.239
<v Speaker 2>not just him being like I can't stand to have

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>her be a big star or I can't stand to

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 2>have her have a life outside of me. She is

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>really motivated by the idea of dedicating herself for to

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>this relationship. That is part of what's happening here. As

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the twenties are kind of starting to come to an end,

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Frank is looking out at the entertainment landscape, and he's

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 2>a smart guy, and he's an innovative guy. He understands

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>he's got good instincts, right, and he sees that Vaudeville's

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 2>days are numbered, right, this is not going to be

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>is already starting to fade. He can kind of see

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>there's not as much money coming in, there's not as

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>much audience. There's more entertainment out there, right, Like Vaudeville's

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>days are kind of over. And he can see that

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>the traveling variety acts and these big stage productions that

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, cost a lot of money and involve a

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that have dominated entertainment all his life

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>are not going to be around forever. You know, the

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>radio is a bigger thing, moving pictures are increasingly significant,

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we're coming to the end of the

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Roaring twenties, so the bottom is about to fall. Out

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of the economy, which is going to make those big productions,

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>those big, huge touring shows and these big elaborate stage

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>shows a lot harder to afford, both of the people

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>putting them on and for people to buy tickets to. Right,

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>So he makes a bold decision right before the depression

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>hits to break up with his production company. He like

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>breaks a contract to leave them. And this is the

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>number one vaudeville production company. They have the ability to

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>blacklist him from like the industry almost right, they don't

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>do this, but that's the thing he's risking. He takes

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 2>a major risk to leave them because he sees that

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>like the bottom's about to fall out, and he wants

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>to get into something that he can make work in

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>this new era. So he starts performing totally independently with

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a skeleton crew of you know, some stage hands and

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a couple other you know, entertainers and his wife, and

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>they're doing longer and longer sets. And now he is

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 2>being up there for something that is like a Netflix,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially like a full hour type deal. Like

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 2>he's doing full stand up routines effectively, you know, in

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>something that's very close to a modern sense and he's

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>again he's a major pioneer. He starts doing something that's

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird owl adjacent or like Tom Larrr adjacent.

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Tom lair who just died, the greatest musical comedian of

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>all time, one of also one of the greatest men

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>mathematicians of all time, also invented the jello shot. Incredible man,

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Tom Lairr. Yes, inventor of the jello shot so that

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he could smuggle alcohol into like army gatherings. Amazing man,

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 2>just sense.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>So, and he's not the only there's another musical comedian

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>right around the same time who's also an influence on

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>like Tom Lairr and and you know later guys. But

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 2>he is one of the first like musical parody artists.

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting. The way he does this is a

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 2>little is it's not the same as what like Lara

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and al are doing. It's really interesting. He'll start with

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a popular song and he'll get his musicians to start

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 2>playing like Tea for two. That's one of his big bits,

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 2>which is like you've heard of ta for two At

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>this point, it's like a hit song. It's like the

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.399
<v Speaker 2>call Me maybe of its Day or the Wet ass

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Pussy of its day. Right, those are the two songs,

0:35:55.920 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the only two I've heard of. And what it is

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of like wet ass pussy because it's smutty, right,

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like it is about it's smutty for the day, right,

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's like about a date.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So every couple of lines, he'll start playing the song

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and he'll start singing it, and then he'll stop after

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 2>like a line, and he'll break down what doesn't make

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 2>sense or is secretly absurd in the song? Right, here's

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>a reason's cinema sensing it? Yes, exactly exactly. Tea for

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>two and two for tea, ain't that rich? Here's a

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 2>guy that has enough tea for two, so he's gonna

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>have tea for two. I notice he doesn't say a

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>word about sugar comedy. This is easy to anyway whatever.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd assume lots of it's in the delivery. But you

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 2>see what he's doing. He's going through the lyrics of

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>this song and then he's like riffing on it, right,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>he's like making fun of bits about it. And I

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 2>think that's interesting because it's the type of bitthesiss is

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 2>so modern. You brought up cinema sins because like initially

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh, he's like kind of a proto

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Tom Lair or weird al but honestly, because they're actually

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 2>doing full pair of these songs. A better comparison is

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 2>like modern YouTube videos where like not just songs, but

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>like like the Red Letter stuff red Letter Media got fans,

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 2>you're like break down a movie. You're like going through

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 2>like a whole movie or old and you're like breaking

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>it down piece by piece and talking in granular to

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>tale about like what of this movie or video game

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 2>or whatever doesn't make sense? Like is like the analog

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>version of like most of YouTube's big creators are doing now, right,

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's such so interesting to me, right, Like, yeah,

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he is just like reflexively a very innovative entertainer.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's sounds genuinely so odd.

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 4>But also it is like I don't like because the

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 4>source material is so old, it's so funny to hear

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.280
<v Speaker 4>how corny even the like jab is.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Tea for two, Like how many jokes can you make

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.280
<v Speaker 2>about that shit? Man? Yeaeah Yeah, that's his like fucking

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>hour and a half long video breaking down why the

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Phantom Menace sucks is tea for two, So no sugar, eh, yeah,

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 2>no sugar huh. So yeah, that's a very creative idea.

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 2>And again, you gotta think of how weird it would

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>be in the nineteen twenty nine to hear like, oh, yeah,

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>this guy's gonna come on stage and sing a popular

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 2>song and instead he's like making fun of the song.

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Like idi, like you want to hear this guy make

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>fun of a song slowly Like that's a that's a

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>weird ask in this period of time, but it works.

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 2>This is like one of his most popular bits. And again,

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>like he's just he's just moving from success to success

0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>at this point up to kind of like the start

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Great Depression, and right really right before the

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Great where I think we're like in twenty nine here,

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like right before things really fall off a cliff. Hollywood

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 2>starts calling his wife right because Barbara, she's made a

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 2>big name for herself, even though she's technically quote unquote retired.

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows who Barbara Stanwick is, and these you know,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>we're now in the talkie era. Hollywood is looking for

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>new leading ladies and people. You know, there's talent scouts

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that go out to Broadway. They've seen her a lot

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>of studios are calling and she turns them all down.

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Like she's getting like we will make you a movie star,

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 2>like we want to give you like picture deals, like

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>like there's money for you here, and she's like, nah,

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>my husband likes it over here. He doesn't want to

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>live in California, and my marriage comes first. And she

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 2>just says no, over and over again to all of

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 2>these major studio agents, Like fucking studio heads are trying

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to beat down her door and she won't do it.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 2>She's not at all tempted because that's not what her

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>husband wants to do right now. Eventually, the head of

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 2>a major studio or an agent for a major studio

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>figures out how to wear her down, which is they

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>go to Frank and they're like, hey, we want to

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 2>sign you and your wife. You know, you each get

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 2>a one picture deal basically, right, we want to try

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you both out, and to be fair, it's kind of

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>a no brainer. I'm sure they're not not interested in

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Frank because he's the one of the biggest performers of

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the day. It's it's pretty obvious from like a student

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a position, Well, these are two of the most famous

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 2>popular people on the stage. Let's see if they could

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.439
<v Speaker 2>be movie stars. Right, invite them both, and they agree, Right,

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just a matter of the money is

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>so good, and you know, Vaudeville's kind of falling apart,

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, they both decide, all right, let's give it

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a try. And it's when they moved to Hollywood that

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the problems really start. And they start with Barbara because

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>she is a horrible auditioner. She's terrible at auditioning. She

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know how to really like do it, and so

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>she is supposed to be in this Frank Capra film

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and she goes in for the audition and she bombs it,

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>and Capra's like, Frank Capra calls her a porcupine, which

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I is some weird ass twenty sexism. I don't fully

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 2>understand what that's supposed to earn. But it's like an

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 2>insult for a woman. I don't understand why, but he

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>calls her a porcupine. And this is actually one of

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Frank's very few good moments and very few, like really

0:40:55.560 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>actually surprisingly supportive partner moments. So the student video that

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Caepra was working with, that that she has this deal

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:08.240
<v Speaker 2>with and she's bombed this audition. He calls Frank Capra,

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like he gets him on the phone personally because he's

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>a star and he can do that, and he's like, look,

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.720
<v Speaker 2>I know you saw my wife. I know you didn't

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 2>like the live performance. I need to show you a

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>test screening of her, and I think it was her

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 2>doing some lines from burlesque or something like that, because like,

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>if you didn't think she'd she must have just bombed

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the audition because she's great, Like, trust me, she's great.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And Frank is such a big name that Capra's like, okay,

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.959
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it, and he watches this test. Frank Faye

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 2>brings over this test screening and as soon as Capra

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>actually sees her performing on stage, he's like, oh my god,

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm a fucking idiot. This woman is one of the

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 2>most talented actors of her generation, of any generation, and

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 2>he casts her immediately, and that's actually like a really

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>good like Frank, That's why I'm saying, like he's not

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>anti her having a career. Weirdly enough, this is going

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>to cause problems for them later, but like he is

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.440
<v Speaker 2>really supportive at the start she gets her movie career

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 2>started because he goes to the mat after she bombs

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>an audition and make sure she gets the job. So

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that's one good thing that Frank Faye ever did in

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>his fucking life.

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is not a Barbara Standwick podcast, and I'm

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 2>not going to do but I'm not going to talk

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in detail.

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.879
<v Speaker 4>About Eve a comment or write it if you want

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Robert's Barbara Standwick podcast.

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, she did murder those children, but in her defense,

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.280
<v Speaker 2>those kids were coming right for her. You know who

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 2>did it? Who amongst just hasn't killed a couple of kids, right?

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, it happens. It happens. So by the mid thirties,

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Barbara Standwick, as soon as she gets this movie, she's

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 2>in this, she's a huge hit. She just immediately a

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>massive star. Her career is skyrockets from from there on up.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>By the mid thirties, she's one of the leading ladies

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 2>in pre war Hollywood. She is just massive. She's fucking great.

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>She's really good at this. It becomes clear to everybody,

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and she is just like on a rocket ship to

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>success from here on out right. That's that's the Barbara

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Stanwick story. Things go less well for Frank Fay after

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 2>this point in time, his first movie, because they get

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>this one picture dealer each get a picture. His first

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 2>movie does pretty well, it's a modest success, but afterwards

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he just doesn't catch on as an actor. He's just

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>not for whatever reason. I don't know why. Maybe he's

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 2>picking bad scripts or whatever. It just doesn't work out

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 2>for him right and the start, it doesn't help. At

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the start of his career, trying to be an actor

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 2>coincides with the Great Depression really hitting, which wipes out

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the money that had made his old

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>career possible. So there's not as much money in touring

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>or doing the kind of shows he'd been doing. And movies,

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, are more economical, they make more because you

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>pay to put him on once and then you keep

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>making money from him, right, So, like you know, it's

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 2>it's better a business to be in. But he's just

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>not doing well in it, and eventually the offer is

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of slow to a trickle and stop coming in.

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 2>While Barbara Stanwick becomes a fucking household name. I'm gonna

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>quote from an article by in the New York Times.

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 2>As her star began to shine, fase dimmed, he drank,

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>was relentlessly abusive towards her and the child Dion they'd adopted. However,

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 2>not only did she stick by Faye, but she also

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>put his faltering career first. She insisted on introducing herself

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>as Missus Frank Fay. We have to wonder what in

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>her needed to stick by Faye way past the obvious

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>expiration date of the marriage. A determination to rebut the

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood gossip's prophesying divorce, a stick to your man philosophy,

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 2>her fear of going out in society, an inability to

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>have sustained friendships with other women. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 2>and also gratitude to Frank for having supported her career

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 2>at a crucial time. But still, her life was actually

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 2>in danger because of his violent nature, as was that

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 2>of little Dion, about whom it must be said she

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't seem much concerned. So he's getting increasingly. He had

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of kept himself on a leash. He is off

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the chain. He's drinking more, he is beating the shit out,

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>he's beating their kid too, to the extent that, like again,

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 2>her life is in danger being with this man. That's

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>how out of control he is. Kind of at his worst,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 2>this isn't consistent, but when he hits rock bottom, that's

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 2>how bad this is. Right now, Again, as the New

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 2>York Times this is her obituary noted, she's not a

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 2>great mom. She's not like she's not necessarily putting the

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 2>kid first. So she's not a hero here. But Frank

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 2>is definitely the villain. And his physical abuse of Barbara

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 2>did escalate to the point where again she could have

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 2>could have killed her, and she does eventually dump his

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.919
<v Speaker 2>ass in nineteen thirty five, and at this point when

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 2>she leaves him, it seems like he's probably heading towards

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 2>an early grave, right. He is increasingly you know, he's

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 2>not making money, he's not getting work. He's able to

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>tour some he can do, but it's like not the

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 2>way he had been living, and he can't, Like he

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been raining in his expenses. So he is broke,

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Like he's constantly going broke. He's gambling what he makes.

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it looks like this is kind of the end,

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 2>right And again, if this had been the end, we

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do it. Behind the bastards on this guy, because

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 2>like he's a dick, he's an abusive husband, but like

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>that's just not not really the bastard story yet, like's

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>not me yea if we did an episode on every

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>famous person who was like abusive to their spouse, Yeah,

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 2>like that's just a different show. Not to minimize that,

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's a different show. We're getting to like the

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.760
<v Speaker 2>wild act of bastardury here, Like that's what's coming next.

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 2>So it gets worse than this, folks, it gets a

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 2>lot worse. So a big part of why Frank had

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 2>failed in Hollywood. You know, I said, it's not entirely

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 2>clear to me why I forgot I had written this

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 2>part because there is one really clear reason, which is

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.959
<v Speaker 2>that he's super anti Semitic. And the heads of most

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.919
<v Speaker 2>of the major Hollywood studios this point are Jewish guys, right,

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>And it's the kind of thing if his movies had

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>been runaway hits, they probably would have ignored that because

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:09.439
<v Speaker 2>they do for other guys, right, because that's Hollywood. All

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 2>do we all know about mel Gibson, right, But again,

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's a famous anti semi and that

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 2>his movies aren't doing great like is a big part

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>of what destroys him in Hollywood. And it's very funny

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to be that there's a quote from one of his peers,

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Milt Joseph Berg, who is you know, a Jewish comedian,

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 2>who said of him quote in a business known for

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 2>its lack of bigotry, he was a bigot. This was

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 2>no secret, but widely known and well substantiated. Right, So

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>he is just like that's a big part of like

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 2>why he can't get shit working for him in Hollywood.

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 2>And then the FDR years kickoff, right, and Frank starts

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 2>getting increasingly political. He hates FDR. He calls him a communist.

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 2>He starts going on these loud rants about the Jewish

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 2>bankers that he believes are behind all of the country's

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 2>problems and behind It's weird, like, so the Jewish bankers

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:06.760
<v Speaker 2>caused the depression and also are behind FDR. Who's yeah,

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>got pulled us out of it? What's going on? Anyway?

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>He's losing his mind on alcohol here too, as his

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.319
<v Speaker 2>old famous friends increasingly step away from him because he

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.359
<v Speaker 2>is just he's made himself into a pariah. It's bad

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:22.800
<v Speaker 2>for your career to be associated with Frank. At this point,

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>he finds a new friend with someone who understands him,

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>father Charles Kaughlin. Now We've talked about this guy before

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. Coughlin is a Catholic priest with a

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>far right radio show. Who is he is a fascist.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 2>He is a proto Nazi. He is one of the

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 2>guys who's trying to get the US to go fascist, right.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>He's probably the most He is the fucking He's like

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Reilly mixed with Tucker Carlson, you know, like he

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>is super influential as a fascist media figure. Coughlin also

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>believed that Jewish bankers were behind every evil in the country.

0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.879
<v Speaker 2>He referred to the New Deal as the jew Deal,

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and as a result, he and Frank get along famously. Yeah, like,

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, it's a match made in heaven right here.

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah yeah.

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Now you know who else gets along famously with Father

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Charles Coughlin. I probably shouldn't say that. Here's ads ah

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>and we're back. I don't know why I make that

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 2>like that like sound every day. I just you know,

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm vamping. It's the it's the post. You know, you

0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>just got yourself out of the ad. We just all

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>diligently listened to the ads, bought the thing and now

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 2>you're decompressing.

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Got to do it.

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now we're decompressing, and we're hearing about his

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 2>friendship with Charles Coughlin, right, and just kind of his

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.840
<v Speaker 2>this is him, this is him spinning out right in

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:54.720
<v Speaker 2>the late thirties, Cliff nester Off writes, quote Face struggled

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in film and radio for the next ten years after

0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.040
<v Speaker 2>his divorce from from Barbara. His appearances were spotty and

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 2>mostly unsuccessful. He had made too many enemies and few

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 2>cared to help him out. Maurice Zolotow wrote that the

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 2>self destructive pattern has hampered his career at various times.

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>He has been a vaudeville MC nightclub, comic, radio star,

0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>in motion picture hero. Fay has been successful in all

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>of these. He has also been a failure in all

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 2>of these. Fay has been washed up more times than

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.439
<v Speaker 2>any other big time star, you know, And that's that's

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the state of his career at this point. Yeah,

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 2>for an idea of like what a famous dick this

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 2>guy is at this point, I probably should have put

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.360
<v Speaker 2>this up earlier, but it's very funny people at a

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood start telling a joke. This is kind of like

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 2>while he's still married to Barbara Stanwick, which Hollywood actor

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.759
<v Speaker 2>has the biggest prick and the answer is Barbara Stanwick, right,

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>like that, that's how people are talking about him. Right,

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 2>his career is over. So by the start of the

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>World War Two he is in particularly bad odor because

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's basically a Nazi and we're going to

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 2>war with those people.

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>He is on the side of the America First yars

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>who lived Charles Lindberg and Father Coughlin. So this is

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not nothing's it just seems like he's completely fucking doomed.

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>But just as all seems lost and he is as

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 2>washed up as washed up can get, in nineteen forty

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 2>four he gets thrown a fucking life preserver, right, and

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 2>it's thrown by the most esteemed director in Broadway history,

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Antoinette Perry, who is looking to put together the cast

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:30.960
<v Speaker 2>for a new play, Harvey. Have you ever seen the

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.320
<v Speaker 2>movie Harvey with Jimmy Stewart.

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 3>YEP, I have not.

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually it's a great film, holds on Weirdly enough, it

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 2>was filmed in like the fifties. It's written before then, right,

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 2>he's doing the stage version in the forties about like

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.879
<v Speaker 2>mental health. Like the plot is like the guy played

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>by Jimmy Staff. Forget what his fucking name is the character,

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 2>but the main character is this like rich kid. He's

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 2>like the oldest son of like a wealthy family, and

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:01.280
<v Speaker 2>he sees a giant talking rabbit and he's constantly talking

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>with it. It follows him around. They're always at the

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 2>bar drinking together. Elwood, by the way, Elwood, Ellwood, You're right, Elwood.

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 2>El would doubt I think something like that. And his

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 2>high society family and friends are trying trying to have

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 2>him institutionalized, right, because he's clearly crazy, right, so they're

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to like get him in a mental asylum basically

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>for being crazy and seeing this rabbit. And weirdly enough,

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.360
<v Speaker 2>it still holds up as a good depiction of mental

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 2>illness because like the message of it ultimately is that like,

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 2>actually Elwood's fine, and like everyone just needs to understand

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 2>that he's just different from other people.

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:36.800
<v Speaker 3>But he's happy.

0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:39.640
<v Speaker 2>He's not hurting anybody, he's not in any danger. He

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 2>just sees a rabbit and that's okay.

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Like it's actually got like a really modern message about

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.839
<v Speaker 2>like neurodiversity, and just like like the Jimmy Stewart version

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 2>of this movie holds the fuck up. It's a great

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 2>fucking film. You should watch Harvey, and I mean he's

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:58.280
<v Speaker 2>fucking Jimmy Stewart, great actor, weirdly enough, great bomber pilot,

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 2>retired as a general in the Air Force. Flew like

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 2>fifty missions in World War Two. Jimmy Stewart, quite a life.

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised you didn't know that. I don't think I did,

0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>George Bailey, Jimmy Stewart during World War Two was a

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:20.280
<v Speaker 2>bomber pilot, flew missions over Western Europe, did the most

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>dangerous job that existed in the American Army. Like he

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 2>flew way more missions than he needed to.

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy, as you just said that, I must have

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 4>asked the same question on a previous episode of Behind

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.280
<v Speaker 4>the Bastards, because that just flootered me with Deshavu.

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, weirdly enough, Jimmy Stewart, great actor. Killed thousands, like

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 2>like literally killed thousands of people. Fun guy. Anyway, So

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 2>this is before the Jimmy Stewart vers This is like

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the play. It starts off as a play. The screenplay

0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 2>actually wins a Pulitzer Prize, right, So this is a

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 2>great screenplay and Antoinette Perry is casting the very first

0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>time this is going to be on Broadway, and she

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.439
<v Speaker 2>decides that not only is Frank Fay a good fit

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:04.359
<v Speaker 2>for the play, but she wants him to play the star.

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 2>He's going to be Elwood. Right, And this is a

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 2>huge deal. I had said, Antoinette Perry is like the

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:15.879
<v Speaker 2>most famous director in Broadway history. Antoinette. The shortened version

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>of Antoinette is Tony. The Tony Awards are named for

0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 2>this woman. That's that's who this is. Right. So if

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 2>she decides this washed up anti Semite is who I

0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>want as my leading man, that's who's going to be

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 2>her leading man, right. And she's very good at what

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 2>she does. You know, he's a piece of shit. I'm

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 2>not happy that he gets this job that reinvigorates his career,

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 2>but he's really good. Like he headlines eighteen hundred performances.

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 2>That's like for years this show is on Broadway and

0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 2>then touring. It's a massive fucking hit and it makes

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 2>him rich again, and it turns him into a star again.

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 2>And so by the very end of World War Two

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>he has gotten a second chance stardom, like the kind

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>of second chance that nobody gets when you are as

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>down and out as he is, to wind up being

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 2>the biggest name on Broadway again after a fall like that,

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it's nuts. Yeah, Now, what would you do if you

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.320
<v Speaker 2>were disgraced for being a massive bigot and an abusive

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>spouse and went broke and had your career destroyed and

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>then suddenly become rich and famous again. You know, you'd

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>think probably just kind of try to enjoy it, you know,

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>rebuild your career, keep quiet, chill.

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Out, maybe learn something about yourself growth.

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:36.960
<v Speaker 2>You learn something a better person.

0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, of course that's what anyone would do.

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 2>He takes a slightly different tactic. He understands now that

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 2>he's famous again, he's got influence and prestige and people

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 2>listen to him. He needs to speak up for the downtrodden,

0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, the people that no one else is going

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.719
<v Speaker 2>to bat for, right, you know, the people that just

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>have no one else looking out for them, that that

0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 2>only he can really, you know, defend and protect. And

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 2>obviously this is in nineteen forty five, yeah, forty six,

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no one who needs protecting more than Francisco Franco,

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>the fascist dictator of Spain. Now Franco isn't in any

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 2>real danger as World War two ends. Obviously he's fine.

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Anti communism immediately is how the US pivots. So he's

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 2>not no, no, it's common for Franco. But what makes

0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Faye angry, what makes him want to speak out in

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 2>defense of Francisco Franco, is that So the Union for

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Theater Workers for actors, and I think basically everybody who's

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.720
<v Speaker 2>working in the theater at this point is called Actors Equity.

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's just actors. Maybe I'm wrong about that,

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, the SAG for theater workers, it may still be.

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know a lot about the theater. Whatever it

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 2>is to actors Equity is the Union for Theater actors, right,

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And so a number of members of Actors Equity. This

0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't an official Actors Equity thing, but a lot of

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 2>people with Actors Equity. In late nineteen forty five held

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 2>a rally to raise money for a group called Spanish

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Refugee Appeal. Now, the Spanish Civil War had ended long ago, right,

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Franco is well in charge, and what the refuge Appeal is?

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Number one, they're raising money to support leftists and political

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 2>dissidents who have had to flee Spain, and they are

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 2>also begging publicly and trying to get other governments to

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:29.919
<v Speaker 2>pressure FRANCO to stop arresting, torturing and murdering leftists. Right,

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 2>They're specifically a big part of it is they are

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:34.520
<v Speaker 2>attacking the Catholic Church and trying to shame them because

0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church is actively hunting down and helping to

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 2>murder leftists, right anarchists and the like, So they're unhappy

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 2>about that and trying to stop it. Nesterhoff writes, quote

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Fay was furious. He said their criticism was an attack

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 2>on Catholicism as a whole. Fay demanded Actors Equity investigate

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 2>each anti FRANCO member for Unamerican activity. The House Committee

0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 2>on American Activities acted on face suggestion, and the Actors

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.520
<v Speaker 2>were vetted. The New York Times reported that Fay held

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>no brief against any member of Actors Equity for political beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>He resented, however, that EQUITY members should be party to

0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 2>rallies that condemn religious groups. Equity president Bert Lyttel objected

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 2>to the political investigation. Equity members have a wide latitude

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:19.520
<v Speaker 2>of interests and beliefs that they may practice and advocate

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 2>as private citizens. Actors Equities stood by Brooks, Darling, Molina

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.800
<v Speaker 2>and Osato. Those are the people organizing this rally. Rather

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.919
<v Speaker 2>than expel them from his union, lytel cinsured Frank Fay

0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 2>for conduct prejudicial to the association or its membership. So

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he gets Congress to investigate these people for trying to

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 2>raise money for fucking refugees and beg Franco in the

0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>church to stop having people murdered. And it gets them

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.960
<v Speaker 2>fucking investigated, and to the credit of Actors Equity in

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the Union head they go after Frank and they're like, no, no, no,

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you're the one being it. They're allowed to do this

0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:57.840
<v Speaker 2>privately on their own. You are trying to destroy their

0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you man, so this, you know, he gets in

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 2>trouble over this, and it's a bad look, especially in

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty five. But the fact that the Union refuses

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to back Frank's play doesn't mean no one supported him.

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of right wing and fat just outright

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 2>fascist Americans who have been kind of biting their tongues

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 2>all of World War two and are really they're frustrated

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 2>that we're allied with the USS are. They're frustrated that

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:29.280
<v Speaker 2>we're fighting the fascists. You know, they're real bummed about

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff. And by the end of the war,

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:33.920
<v Speaker 2>they've been having to keep quiet for so long that

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>they just are filled to the brim with anger at

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 2>what side the US picked in this. There's also a

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:45.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of American francoists who love, you know, what Frank

0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.880
<v Speaker 2>is saying about their favorite dictator who's still alive, and

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.479
<v Speaker 2>these guys start, fascists being the same in every era,

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 2>immediately mass mailing death threats to Actors Equity and to

0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the guys at Actors Equity, like to the people who

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<v Speaker 2>had done this rally that Frank had called out right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very modern thing. This right wing celebrity starts

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<v Speaker 2>complaining about a thing he doesn't like, and his fans

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<v Speaker 2>start threatening to murder people on his behalf right, same

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<v Speaker 2>as it ever was. Yeah, pretty standard standard stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 2>One journalist at the time wrote, under the guys of

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<v Speaker 2>being deeply pained over the comments about the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 2>These organs of native fascism have been blowing the familiar

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<v Speaker 2>tunes in all their repulsive cacophony. They say, that the

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<v Speaker 2>issue is religion, but they are no more concerned with

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<v Speaker 2>religion than were their political masters. The cutthroats of Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>consider Frank Fay himself the main attraction in the current

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<v Speaker 2>whoopie do. His anti Semitism is well known, and his

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<v Speaker 2>numerous brawls on that account are common gossip. Yeah, pretty good, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well written.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, God, imagine imagine a contemporary Oh yeah, like journalist

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<v Speaker 4>being that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunately are due. Yeah, so we can

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<v Speaker 2>look back on this and say, obviously, like that's what's happening, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like obviously this is like a fair description of what

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing. But like a lot of fascists, Frank was

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that he was right and that the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the world secretly agreed with him. So, drunk on his

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<v Speaker 2>newfound fame and enraged with frustration at how World War

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<v Speaker 2>Two it ended, he decided to hold a rally in

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<v Speaker 2>January of nineteen forty six, celebrating fascism in all of

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<v Speaker 2>its guises. Now that's a bold move in January nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty six, But Frank had that special kind of brain

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<v Speaker 2>damage that God only gives to men who get too

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<v Speaker 2>famous for standing in front of a crowd and telling jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>So he figured, there's no way this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>backfire on me. Right, my career collapsed once because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an abusive, bigoted asshole, But it won't happen again.

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<v Speaker 3>How could it? It never does. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you're a fascist looking to hold a rally

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City, there's only one group of assholes

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<v Speaker 2>who suck hard enough to say yes, especially in January

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen forty six, and those assholes are Madison Square Garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean also also, you know that's a

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<v Speaker 2>tried and true place for a we Nazi rally.

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<v Speaker 3>We love it there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, this is this is this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is completely yeah, God, please don't sue us again. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we make that joke, Sophie? Are we allowed to?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll bleep it. So Madison Square Garden agrees to

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<v Speaker 2>host the event, which he calls the friends of Frank Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about who those friends are, shall we. Organizing

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<v Speaker 2>work is handled by the Ku Klux Klan and the

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<v Speaker 2>American Nazi Party, which is nice to see their work

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<v Speaker 2>in hand in hand, you know, yeah, like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those it's been so bummed when they had

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<v Speaker 2>their out. It's just good to see, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>two long term hooden hand hood in hand, right, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like some ship. This is like from that fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Wolfenstein games. Yes, it's fucking crazy like the KKK and

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<v Speaker 2>the American Nazi Party are like your stage hands and

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<v Speaker 2>I handling like advertising and ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's speaking? Who's speaking?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me? Oh, who's speak, Sophie. So many assholes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I should note here that the last big Nazi rally

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<v Speaker 2>in American history, right before World War Two, had been

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<v Speaker 2>held by the German American boond in Madison Square Garden,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and involved a bunch of Nazis. Uh doing

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<v Speaker 2>a big rally again. Madison Square Garden loves hosting Nazi events,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least did back then. I'm sure everything's fine

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<v Speaker 2>in the company now. Prominent speakers at this event included

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi propagandist Laura Ingles and no, I want to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about Laura Ingles. Wild different person, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's also very right wing, but she's not speaking at

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<v Speaker 2>this event. They just have very similar names. Laura Ingles

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<v Speaker 2>was an award winning female pilot. She's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first like great female pilots. She is very groundbreaking

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<v Speaker 2>in that. And then she winds up serving two years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison because she worked as an unpaid agent of

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazi government while speaking at America First Gatherings and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't disclose that she was a paid agent of a

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<v Speaker 2>foreign power. That's what happens to her prior to this.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I should also know it as a fun

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<v Speaker 2>fact because I was like, I just saw Laura Ingles

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm reading like old contemporary news artiles like Laura Ingless,

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<v Speaker 2>is this the little aus on the Prairie? And so

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I type into Google as I do sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>was Laura Ingles a Nazi? And obviously now when you Google,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing you get is their fucking AI summary.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what the AI summary says. No, Laura Ingles,

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<v Speaker 2>the aviator, not the author, was not a Nazi. However,

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<v Speaker 2>she was a Nazi sympathizer. Was convicted of acting as

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<v Speaker 2>a paid agent for Nazi Germany, And like, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>why you're saying she's not she was paid for acting.

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<v Speaker 3>She was.

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<v Speaker 2>She went to prison for failing to register as an

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<v Speaker 2>agent for the German government for speaking at Nazi rallies.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't call her a Nazi, really, but you wont Gemini.

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<v Speaker 2>But the AI said, so, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna call

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<v Speaker 2>her a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go to jail for advocating for the Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>government secretly without like and taking their money, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>A Nazi's fucking Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a fucking Nazi. These tech bros think this is

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<v Speaker 2>the sum of the picle of intelligence. This is what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to take us to the stars. Fucking AI bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Another guest at this event was KKK member Joseph Camp

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<v Speaker 2>and of course Camps fell with a k uh. Camp,

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't heard of him, was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>chief all authors of anti Semitic propaganda in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States at this period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Massive, like Jewish World conspiracy author.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a picture Sophie's going to show you from contemporary

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<v Speaker 2>reporting on the event. Who introduces us to another guy

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<v Speaker 2>at this event who happened to look just like Walt

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of these guys look exactly like Walt Disney,

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<v Speaker 2>Like literally, this Walt Disney looking motherfucker. This pencil mustache

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<v Speaker 2>like legit wild all Walt Disney looking motherfuckers and the

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<v Speaker 2>caption from this I think this is from the Post

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<v Speaker 2>article another friend of Faye John Geist, notorious anti Semite

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<v Speaker 2>and distributor of Wrathskellar pamphlets back in the Yorktown Day.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that friend quotes friendly. Yeah. Now, here's quite

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of reporting wrath Skeller, you know what. I

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<v Speaker 2>should have looked that up. Let's look that up right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say I forgot what punk venu is called

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<v Speaker 4>the wrath Skeller, but I hope they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it wasn't that kind of punk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Wikipedia is telling me that it's a name for

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of restaurant in German speaking countries. Uh oh oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was that kind of punk bar. Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it is that guy that that Yeah, maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a name for a beer garden. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's my guess, my best guess. Uh yikes, all right, yeah, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>cool guy, most importantly cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of reporting left to read through

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<v Speaker 2>from this event. You can find a lot of articles

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<v Speaker 2>written about it at the time, and much of it

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<v Speaker 2>is quite funny. The New York Daily News, who is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty positive about this event, titles they're covering nineteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Fay friends jam garden to cheer anti red speeches. First off,

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<v Speaker 2>the actual numbers more like eleven thousand, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those are protesters who are there to like Jeer

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<v Speaker 2>and try to disrupt the event too. The Daily News

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<v Speaker 2>was happy to carry water for Fay and included a

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<v Speaker 2>segment in their review titled deny rac Bias. Doctor Emmanuel Josephson,

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<v Speaker 2>who said he was of Jewish extraction, brought down the

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<v Speaker 2>house with his attack on communism, labor unions, Karl Marx,

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<v Speaker 2>Harold Lasky, the New Deal, the State Department, the OPA,

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<v Speaker 2>and the more deadly of the Roosevelt species. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not anti semitic. They've got a Jewish guy. Great now.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Post not my favorite publication today, but

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<v Speaker 2>was a much better publication back then. Right, And their

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<v Speaker 2>reporting on this is actually pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They are unsparing about how racist this was. Quote after

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<v Speaker 2>praising Equity as the finest organization ever put together, Fay said,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a certain little group coming into Equity, coming

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<v Speaker 2>not through the stage door, but through the and hear

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<v Speaker 2>his words slurred, and he may have said either south

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<v Speaker 2>or back door. They have nothing to offer you but

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<v Speaker 2>the bad breath of Marx. They put on some plays

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<v Speaker 2>to capture your youth, and for God's sake, watch your children.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have that when we were kids, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>got it now. A Post reporter later asked Faye what

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<v Speaker 2>plays he was referring to, and he didn't and he

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<v Speaker 2>had made the statement quoted. Later, coming upon the Post

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<v Speaker 2>reporter again, he warned him to be careful about the

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<v Speaker 2>quotation because his address had been recorded. It's very much

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<v Speaker 2>much modered, like I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I said that there are plays trying to reach out

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<v Speaker 2>to w I didn't say that at all when we

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<v Speaker 2>recorded it. So don't you dare lie to continue? As

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<v Speaker 2>Fay went along, the clock silently slid past the one

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<v Speaker 2>am mark, and spectators, by the score literally were sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>in their chairs. Mcnabo too, who's one of the other hosts, too,

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<v Speaker 2>constantly reminded the audience that every word uttered at the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting was being recorded, and that woewen libel suits so

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<v Speaker 2>waited those newspapers that printed stories written with smear dripping pins.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't see anybody, right like, because again all of

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<v Speaker 2>the racism is there. This is just a horrible it's

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<v Speaker 2>a Nazi rally. He holds a Nazi rally in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty six, and this backfires in every way possible. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this does finally destroy his.

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<v Speaker 1>Career, finally doesn't work again.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he never works again. There are like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the jokes, I forget exactly who says this, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>another famous comedian who is like I saw him walking

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<v Speaker 2>like holding his own hand down lover's lane. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>lonely he is at the end of his life. He

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<v Speaker 2>dies in Santa Monica in nineteen sixty one at the

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<v Speaker 2>age of sixty nine and is ostensibly unloved or unwarned. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that he gets to live in a nice part of

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<v Speaker 2>the world and longer, although not that long for hardcore

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholic it's not doing bad now. I read a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of George Burns, who's a famous comedian, like talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Fay for this column, and Burns is a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who talks a lot about like Fay's talents and what

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<v Speaker 2>he was good at. But Burns also talks about like

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<v Speaker 2>all the things that sucked about him, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>here's here in this episode, here's a quote from George

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<v Speaker 2>Burns on Faye at late in life. Fay hated Jews,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was very religious. He used to eat at

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<v Speaker 2>the Brown Derby and I used to watch just before

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<v Speaker 2>his food came, I would sit down and start to

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<v Speaker 2>mention people that are dead. I'd say Tom Fitzpatrick isn't

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<v Speaker 2>with us anymore. He'd bless him and say a prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd mentioned five or six more people, and when his

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<v Speaker 2>food got cold, I'd leave. And so that's that's how

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<v Speaker 2>Burns gets some revenge on him, is he'll just like

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<v Speaker 2>hang out whatever he's eating and like sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about all the people who have died recently. So

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<v Speaker 2>that because he knows he's got to like do a

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<v Speaker 2>little just to ruin his meal. It's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>petty we should all seek to embody. But it's also

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<v Speaker 2>like such a bizarre interaction because it's like, you hate

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<v Speaker 2>this guy because he is an unreformed anti semi.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you're still doing banter with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you're doing to his day, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. But but it's just like a thing where

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<v Speaker 2>they still have the type of relationship where there's banter, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I find that. I mean, listen, I guess, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we're just too polarized now.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's very weird.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a minute since I've just had a little

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<v Speaker 4>joke with a Nazi, is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's, you know, one of the many things

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<v Speaker 2>we like about you, Andrew tu And that is my

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<v Speaker 2>general best practices is don't don't joke around with the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>don't socialize with Nazis, don't argue with Nazis, don't debate them.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some things you should do to Nazis, but

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<v Speaker 2>we can't talk about that on the podcast in the

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<v Speaker 2>political climate.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, nothing is being advocated.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Anyway, how do you feel about this guy

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<v Speaker 2>coming in?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I I it's this is this is

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<v Speaker 4>interesting because it is like I mean, as I said

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<v Speaker 4>in part one, it is like shocking to me because

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<v Speaker 4>you know what it is is because I was born

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<v Speaker 4>in a time, you know, like you, I think we're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about this where we had come out of perceiving

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<v Speaker 4>the stand up that the seventies, the like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Carlin's and Kaufman's of the world had kind of

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<v Speaker 4>left left our doorstep. Yeah, made stand Up seem to

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<v Speaker 4>the extent that it was political, did not seem like

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<v Speaker 4>like I guess what I mean is like to me

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<v Speaker 4>from my perception, stand Up has taken a big right

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<v Speaker 4>wing like turn in my lifetime. Yeah, and it is

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<v Speaker 4>interesting to learn that this may simply be reverting to

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<v Speaker 4>the mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like it's at least I think it's more accurate

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<v Speaker 2>to say there have always been those kinds of guys

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<v Speaker 2>in comedy because Milton Borough, we're talking about how a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people hated him, he was not personally super

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<v Speaker 2>well loved, and you know, his career is destroyed in

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<v Speaker 2>large part due to how much of a bigot he is.

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<v Speaker 2>But this has always been there, and it's always been

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<v Speaker 2>like significant, Yeah, I think, yeah, right, I think what

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<v Speaker 2>it is is that there has always been a sign

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<v Speaker 2>an audience that craves this type of guy, and we

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<v Speaker 2>see it now, this is this is the you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's honestly probably all of the top podcasts besides you

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<v Speaker 2>have that audience. Not direly true, but it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>as far off as it would be. Nice if it were, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like like there was a massive audience for

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<v Speaker 2>I mean even just like speaking comedic terms, as we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked a couple of times for punching down, Like there

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge idea, but there's an appetite for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and although of course, you know, if you're really

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<v Speaker 4>going to strike down, you want to you want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do an elbow down.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, right people, right, people, punching is is not

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<v Speaker 2>as efficient, no, no, no, and just you know, try

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<v Speaker 2>to find someone shorter than you. That's always the easiest

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<v Speaker 2>person to hit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm saying this constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>But like like so, so I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that that there's always been this audience and

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<v Speaker 4>the perception that like comedy spoke truth to power, as

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<v Speaker 4>it were, is like really just the fabrication.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's capable of, but it doesn't do it. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Inherently, comedy is more about just making fun of the

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<v Speaker 4>people you hate. Sometimes those people deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>It, Yeah, Frank Fae being a great example, righteah exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, yes, fucking illuminating.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking illuminating and illuminated fucking wait no, it doesn't work anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh podcast, do you get anything to plug?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I do a podcast called Josi's Racist. We

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<v Speaker 3>have a premium show that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Much more fun called yoak when we live where we

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<v Speaker 4>don't talk about racism. Yeah, yeah, that's it. I don't know, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever killed anyboddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh you know what not that I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, I've never done it. We always asked that

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<v Speaker 2>at the Enity episodes. Yea, we ask actually every single guest.

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<v Speaker 2>We've just had to edit out all the other time

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<v Speaker 2>we've done it because every other person who's guested on

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<v Speaker 2>the show has has admitted to a murder. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>fun behind the bastards fact, folks. Sometimes there's sometimes there's

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<v Speaker 2>just a long pause, and even that's incriminating.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta be able to say

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<v Speaker 3>no right away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Anyway, Prosecutors, please arrest and prosecute all of our

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:26.040
<v Speaker 2>former guests for murder except for Andrew T. You know, innocent,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew innocent.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew T innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, Sophie's not speaking up, so this must be

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<v Speaker 2>okay for me to say anyway. That's about it. For

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<v Speaker 2>us here today at Behind the Bastards. Ladies, gentlemen, them's,

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<v Speaker 2>and other pronouns types of people. Go have a good

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<v Speaker 2>weekend or have a bad weekend. It's pretty bad times

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But I hope your weekend's good unless you're bad. No, Sophie,

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