1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: For the last two years, Carla Hamolka has lived in 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: this cozy cottage. We're told she's a stay at home 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: mom with three children. A new life for the convicted 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: schoolgirl killer. We don't want her there. Along with her 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: then husband Paul Bernardo, she played a role in the 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: sex killings of two schoolgirls and her fifteen year old sister. 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: How would you feel knowing that your child is interacting 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: with with a person who's a fearial killer. Since September, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Homolka has been a regular fixture at Grieve's Adventist Academy. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. These moms and 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: dads want Amolka to stay far away from the school. 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: Is he's not supposed to be there? Why is she 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: allowed to be in the school? Was a sex offender? 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: I was a sex offender, carl I can I ask 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: you a question? Do you volunteer or work a few school? 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Who are you? You know who I am? No? I 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: don't know who we are? Who are you a news 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: reporter for you? Did everybody see the movie? I think 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: it was called Monster with Shirley's Theron and she was 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: a serial killer. Female serial killers are extremely rare. And 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: today it is proved that women are treated differently than 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: men because a serial killer, a female serial killer who 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: is implicated in the rape and murders of three teen girls, 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: including her own sister, has been volunteering at the teen 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: school girls school. Yeah, she's out of jail and it's 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: volunteering at the victims schools. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: crime stories and the case of Carla Hamilica proves fact 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: a stranger than fiction. I will never forget the case 29 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: of Carlamulka. She is a killer who was jailed for 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: the brutal rapes and murders of three little girls that 31 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: we know of, including her own sister. She has gotten 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: out of jail and just twelve years, actually less than 33 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: twelve years, and has been spotted volunteering at the elementary 34 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: school she served about twelve years after the conviction on 35 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: the rapes and tortures of Christen French Leslie Mahaffee. She 36 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: did this along with her then husband Paul Bernardo. Now 37 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: this is what they would do. They would go trolling 38 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: in the car for victims. They would get a little 39 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: girl in the car, torture her with curling irons, hot 40 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: curling irons all sorts of torture, rape them and kill them, 41 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: and she got some kind of a crazy thrill out 42 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: of doing this along with her freaky husband. It's just oh, now, 43 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: this killer female rapist volunteers at a private Christian school 44 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: where now her children are enrolled. I mean, it's more 45 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: than I can even take in. I wonder if the 46 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: moms and dads know who she is. I mean, the 47 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: convicted killer recently supervised a group of kindergarten students during 48 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: a field trip and was invited in to show the 49 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: children how to knit, according to reports. I just keep 50 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: looking at the photos of the three victims that we 51 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: know off school girls, Kristen French, Leslie Mahaffy and her 52 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: own fifteen year old sister Tammy. Mm hmm. This is 53 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: um a seventh day at Venice Church where she is 54 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: volunteering in the school, and they say they're fully aware 55 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: of her history. Okay with me? Right now? Is Alan 56 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Duke on the story? I mean, Alan, I don't think 57 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: anyone will ever forget, especially crime sleuths and crime aficionados, 58 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: will forget the case of Carla Halmonka. Awful, awful, Carla. 59 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't her who did the rape and murders. She 60 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: was with her husband who had abused her. That's what 61 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: the court record shows. That she was an unwilling accomplice. 62 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: She got twelve years in prison three times. Three times. 63 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: She was unwilling three times. What did you say to 64 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: me the other day? Behind every bad woman is an 65 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: even worse man. Yes, but I didn't say either of 66 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: them should not go to jail or get the death penalty. 67 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't go along with She's been psychologically tested and 68 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: she is not a psychopath according to all of the 69 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: psychological testing that she's done. Yeah, she's just a stone 70 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: cold killer. That's what she is. She was a wife, 71 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: and she did her time twelve years. She's been out 72 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: for twelve years and she's been fine. What's wrong with 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: helping helping your your your relatives, your family, your community 74 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: by supervising a field trip of kids at the local school. 75 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? She's not alone with these kids. 76 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: None of them have been murdered anything like that. I mean, 77 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: there's no indication that she's going to kill well. Actually, 78 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: videotapes of the crimes surfaced after her plea bargain that 79 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: proved she was a much more active participate it, and 80 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: she had claimed and after those video tapes, they actually 81 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: video taped raping and torturing these little girls before they 82 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: killed them, and after the videos came out, the deal 83 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: had already been struck. Prosecutors called it the deal with 84 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the Devil, and the public was outraged because the video 85 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: show she was just as much a part of it 86 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: as her husband. Little known fact, Alan missed that one. 87 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: That is a little known fact. Video video tapes of 88 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: the crimes surface after they strike the deal that showed 89 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: that she is an active participant in the brutal rapes 90 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: and murders of these little girls. Well, look, she's she 91 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: she got out of prison, she got married, and she 92 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: she had a son, she started a family. I mean, 93 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: so she's just trying to get back into the life 94 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: and into the world and volunteering at it. What's wrong 95 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: with volunteering at a school. Well, she wouldn't be doing 96 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: it with my kindergarten. I can tell that. What if 97 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: it were a nursing home. Would you feel better if 98 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: she was volunteering at a nursing home? Frankly, I don't 99 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: feel good about her being out of jail because this 100 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: was a huge travesty of justice. In my mind, the 101 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: victims during the summer, Bernardo, the husband, became obsessed with 102 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: her own younger sister, Tammy Homolka, and she agreed to 103 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: help him. She drugged Tammy herself, and then they served 104 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Tammy a spaghetti dinner spiked with valium. She cooked the dinner, 105 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: she spiked the food, and then they started raping and 106 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: torturing her. It goes on and on and on. Then 107 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the girl started choking on her own vomit during this 108 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: as she is being Then they used animal tranquilizers on her. 109 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I forgot that, and they both raped the girl while 110 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: she was unconscious. Then Tammy, the little sister, choked on 111 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: her own vomit and died before calling nine one one. 112 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: She Karla Homolka, hid the evidence and redressed Tammy and 113 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: moved her into a basement bedroom. That's what happened, and 114 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: then she lied to police. I don't know how you 115 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: excuse that by claiming the battered women's syndrome, which I'm 116 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: not buying into this time. You don't believe it ever 117 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: happens that a woman only I said this time, Alan, 118 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: don't start with me. I volunteered at the Atlanta Battered 119 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Women's Center for ten years straight, volunteered, working the hotline 120 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: and trying to raise money for them. So don't start 121 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: with me about the batter woman syndrome. But batter women's 122 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: syndrome is typically used when you finally snap and kill 123 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: your abuser, not three separate girls that you torture with 124 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: hot curling irons, rape and murder. Okay, that ain't working 125 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: with me. Okay. The reason her husband was convicted was 126 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: because she testified against him. Yeah, because she did that deal. 127 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: She turned on him too. In fact, the prosecutor had 128 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: the video tapes and said they show Homolka raping the 129 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: four female victims, okay, having sex with a female prostitute 130 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: in Atlantic City, and at another point drugging in another 131 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: unconscious victim. So there's actually four victims, three and dead. 132 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I just don't see how you can use that theory. 133 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: And now she's out up in an elementary school volunteering. 134 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I'm all fine for rehab, but not with 135 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: my child in the class. That is not going to happen. 136 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if these parents know, yes they do, In 137 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: fact they don't. Some of them don't like it. There's 138 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: one parent who said that that she doesn't like how 139 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: it feels to know that your child is interacting with 140 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: a person who is a serial killer. It's not right. 141 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: That's a quote. Obviously, parents know. It's a private school, 142 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: it's a Christian school. We're not talking about the government here. 143 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: She's participating in things where she's not the only adult around. 144 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: She goes to a show and tell in class, she 145 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: drops in to pick up the children from school, she 146 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: goes on a filled trip, actually making my stomach heart, 147 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: My stomach is actually hurting thinking of some killer being 148 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: around the twins. Because the prosecution's theory, and it was 149 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: supported by witnesses, is that while the husband would rape 150 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: the girls, she would be the one to actually kill them. 151 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: And the revelations of that key piece of evidence that 152 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: had been kept from police created a public furore when 153 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: the public realized Homolka had been a willing accomplice. A 154 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: willing accomplice. There's no do over on that kind of 155 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: a thing, is there? No, there's no do ever. Once 156 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: you strike a deal, it's a deal, and I would 157 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: hate to be burned by that deal. Had you rather 158 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: there be a known serial killer at your child's school, 159 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: than an unknown serial killer. There's the bright side. They 160 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: know who she is and they know to watch. Um, 161 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think those are my only 162 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: two choices, Alan, I don't think I have to have 163 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: a serial killer around my children. Period. Okay, so she 164 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: on that it's the law. No, actually they could banner there. 165 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: But how I don't even know what you're saying. What's 166 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: the law? She's free. She she's been out of prison 167 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: for twelve years. She served as not the law, Alan, 168 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: that she has to volunteer at an elementary school and 169 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: they have to let her. Maybe prosecutors should have done 170 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: and police should have done a better job in the 171 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: first place. Why are prosecutors sometimes so easy? Maybe she 172 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't have killed three people. Maybe she shouldn't have killed 173 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: three people and tortured them with hot curling iron. How 174 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: about that? What's there to defend? She pled guilty. They 175 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: followed the law, and she changed the law, changed the 176 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: law then, or changed the prosecutors. Hey, I'm not talking 177 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: about that, that's done. I'm talking about her volunteering in 178 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: an elementary school. Well, she she's out of prison, she's off. 179 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: There's nothing illegal about what she's doing. Follow the law. 180 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: She's legally out. There's no law being broken here. I'm 181 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: not saying the law is being broken, Alan, I'm saying 182 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: it's wrong. What are you going to do about it? 183 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on this podcast and hopefully something 184 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: will come of it, because I think it's wrong to 185 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: have a serial killer that prayed on little girls to 186 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: be around little girls at an elementary school. It's not 187 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: just a one time deal. There were multiple victims, multiple victims. 188 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you're just saying this 189 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: just for the sake of argument, or if you actually 190 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: believe it. But either way, it's crazy to suggest that 191 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: she should be around children at this juncture. But there's 192 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: no judge saying she shouldn't. There's no court order, there's 193 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: no prohibition legally from her doing this. So change the 194 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: law or or do something, file some documents or something. 195 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: But nobody has done that. Well. Actually, upon her release, 196 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: she was ordered forbidden to be with people under the 197 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: age of sixteen. Then why aren't they enforcing it? So 198 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: she is clearly violating that and nobody's doing anything about it. See, 199 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: there's the problem. This is the violation of her order. 200 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: There were nine points to her release conditions to tell 201 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: police or home address, work address, and who she's living with, 202 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: notified police if it changes, notified police if a change 203 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: of her name. If she planned to be at home 204 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: away from home more than forty eight hours, she had 205 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: to give notice, could not contact co defendant number six 206 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: for been, to be with people under sixteen drugs other 207 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: than prescription forbidden, to continue therapy and counseling, and to 208 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: provide police with the DNA sample. See, she's violating that 209 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: and they're doing nothing. I agree something should be done 210 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: if she's violating it. But my point is if if 211 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: there is no order, is no prohibition, then she's got 212 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: to be able to live her life. Well, you just 213 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: heard me tell you what it want news to me. 214 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, I'm glad I couldn't liken you Allen. 215 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: The school knows all about this. So this is what 216 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: I know. Convicted teen killer. In other words, the girl 217 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Little Girls retains not her volunteering at a popular elementary school. 218 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: M m mmmm mmmmm. And there's a picture of her 219 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: with the dark glasses and the hair pull back, so 220 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: nobody knows it's her. It's her, and she is in 221 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: the media again. She's using a purse to hide her face. 222 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: And I also don't understand how parents voice their concerns. 223 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: Why they let it go on. The school knows about her. 224 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: The school has said that they know who she is. 225 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: They say she's not a regular volunteer and they rarely 226 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: ever see her. But there are these occasions where she's 227 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: been to the school and people are making such a 228 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: big deal out of this, even though this is rare. 229 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: She's never unsupervised. You know, they know who she is 230 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: so they can watch her. A lawyer who represents the 231 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: French and the Mahaffee families say, quote, it is still 232 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: a kick in the guts to hear reports of Harmolka 233 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: seemingly living a normal life when their beloved children have 234 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: been kidnapped and murdered. They say, quote, these are joys 235 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the French and Mahaffee families will never enjoy because of 236 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Karla Homolka murdering their children. That's what the victims say. 237 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: They add, I think she's dangerous and I would not 238 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: take the chance with my children to be around her. 239 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: Mm hm m mmmmmmmm. So your stance on this is 240 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: that it's okay. You told me now that there's some 241 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: kind of court order prohibiting her from doing that, then 242 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: it's not okay. But my point is if there's not, 243 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: then what are you gonna do. She's got to live 244 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: her life. She has a family, she's doing normal things. 245 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: She's been twelve years since she's been in prison. She 246 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: got out and everything's fine. So just supervisor when she's 247 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: there and it's rare. So she's got to live her life. 248 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: She's out of prison. She am all for her living 249 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: her life. Which is a bitter appeal for me to 250 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: swallow that she's a three time killer. It's the law. 251 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: But I was in the middle of the sentence Alan, 252 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: but that does not mean she has to be around children, 253 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: and I will leave it at that since we can 254 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: agree to disagree. I'm talking about Carla Harmulica, serial killer 255 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: now volunteering with little children in the school. Is letting her. 256 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: That's just so bass backwards. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, 257 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend.