1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey Bessies. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side were joined by the former 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: fastest woman in the world, Olympic champion and coach, Marion Jones. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: At the height of her career, she was caught up 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: in a performance enhancing drug scandal that ended up with 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: her serving time in jail. Well, now she's back and 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: she is sharing the lessons she's learned from failure and 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: also how she's rebuilding her life. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, February fourth. I'm Simone Boyce. 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 3: Hello Sunshine. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Danielle, I am just sitting here thinking about baby 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: Simone and how her mind would be blown to know 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: that Marian Jones is coming on her show today. I mean, 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: I have such vivid memories watching her as a kid. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: She was the breakout star of the two thousand Olympics 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: in Sydney. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: She was such a powerhouse and at her Olympic debut 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: in two thousand, she earned five medals. At the time, 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: she was known as the fastest woman on the planet 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: and she really was on top of the world. But 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: her story took an interesting turn A few years later. 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: Marian became the subject of an FBI investigation into performance 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: enhancing drugs, and ultimately Marian admitted that during the investigation 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: she lied to federal investigators about never having taken performance 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: enhancing drugs. So four years after that she was sentenced 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: to six months in prison. There are a lot of 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: layers to Marian's story, and I think it's fair to 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 3: say that some of them still remain up for debate. 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: So having her on the show is a really interesting 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: opportunity to ask her all about it. 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: I think it takes so much courage to go through 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: something like that so publicly, especially at such a young age, 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: and then come back around and be willing to talk 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: about it, definitely, And what's clear throughout all of it 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: is that she is someone who has had to take 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: ownership over those mistakes and learn how to move forward 38 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: and forgive herself and listen, we have all all been 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: there in some way before. 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: She's been out of the spotlight for some time, and 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: she's making her rounds in interviews opening up, So let's 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: bring her in and hear Marion's story in her own words. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the right Side, Marion. Yay, Thank you Simone, 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Thank you Danielle for having. 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: Me welcome, Welcome, So explain this to me. Fastest woman 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: on the planet. That's quite a title at one. 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: Point, you know, I, I mean, I never really subscribed 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 4: to that title, Danielle, because I'm always I always have 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: the belief that there's somebody who has like hasn't been 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: discovered in like the remote region of South America, who 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 4: lives in the Amazon jungle or somewhere in Africa, and 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 4: they just never had opportunity, and they. 53 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Most likely were the fastest in the world. 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 4: But in regards to like my season to shine, I 55 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: was definitely one of the fastest. 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: So it was a fun time. But it really does 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: seem like a whole other life ago. You know, our job. 58 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: In our job, we get to interview people who have 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: really interesting titles often and I hear things like. 60 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Richest person in North America or. 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: Highest IQ in Greenland. It's rare that I get something 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: that's like in the plan on the planet, like fastest 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: women on the planet is a wild title. But you've 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: recently stepped back into the public eye to tell your 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: story after what feels like a long time away. What 66 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: is this phase about What in your life makes it 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: feel like this is the right time to start talking. 68 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: As you all know, being constantly being in the spotlight 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: can become very heavy, especially if you find that that 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: spotlight can become a distraction to family and to friends 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: and really to your life journey and growth. 72 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: And I applaud anybody. 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: Who you know has made the decision to be in 74 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: the spotlight and then made the decision to step away. 75 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: It's a very courageous move, you're saying. More and more, 76 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: Actually athletes do that. 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: Now. 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: You saw Simone Biles do that. 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 4: And not to say that it was for my positive 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 4: mental health journey, but in essence it is. I made 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: the decision to raise a family, and I wanted the 82 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: focus to be on them and not me having to juggle, 83 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: you know, answering questions or being part of a media 84 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: system that can be intrusive and obtrusive and all that. 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: And so it was about a decade I just made 86 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: the decision that I wanted to be mom. 87 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to. 88 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: Create my own space, not based off of something that 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: I had done or not done, but really see what 90 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: I can do in my community. 91 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: But last year, you. 92 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: Know, I but my kids are older too, you know, 93 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 4: out of the house now, like just have my fifteen 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 4: year old daughter here, and I was just in a 95 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: space where I felt that people needed to hear a 96 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: story of I could come back story Like, there's so 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: much negativity in the media and so many things that 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: when you listen or see like this brings you down. 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 4: And I just generally felt that my story could could 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: resonate with a lot of people. The story is, hey, 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: you know, once there are poor decisions made made for 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: you or you make them yourself, Like that doesn't have 103 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: to be the end of your story. That it could 104 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: be a catalyst for bigger and better things. And people 105 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 4: are like, how much bigger and better could it be 106 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: than winning gold medals or being considered the fastest women 107 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 4: in the world. 108 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: But when you get older. 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: And you realize that, like, your true test of character 110 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 4: is the impact that you make. 111 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: On people's day to day lives. 112 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: When you get old enough and you're like, man, like 113 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 4: I helped somebody move from one dark space like out 114 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: of that and like that is so fulfilling, And that 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: is what I thought that my story could do and 116 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 4: it has so that that is an in a nutshell, 117 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: that's kind of why I decided to, you know, share 118 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: my story more. 119 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: I feel like we are getting closer to the heart 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: of your story, Marion, but I do think we have 121 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: to take a moment to properly set up the stakes. 122 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: So take us back to the year two thousand, Marion. 123 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: You were on top of the world, five Olympic medals, 124 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: Nike Deals, Wheaties boxes, and the cover of Vogue. I mean, 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: this is like, this has got to be the stuff 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: you dream of as an aspiring athlete. What was the 127 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: moment when you realized you made it as a professional athlete. 128 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: When I made my first Olympic team at the age 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 4: of fifteen years old, that's probably the first time that 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: I knew like, okay, like I got some talent going on, 131 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: you know, genetically, I've been blessed and gifted, but I 132 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: have pretty unique work ethic. 133 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: What makes it unique. 134 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: I'm originally from the Los Angeles area and at nine, 135 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: the nineteen eighty four Olympics came to LA and that 136 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: was my first exposure. 137 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: To the Olympic experience, and I knew that summer. 138 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: I wrote on my chalkboard all that that I was 139 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: going to be an Olympic champion, and from the age 140 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: of nine, that. 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Was my world That was my that was my goal, 142 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: that was my priority. 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: My mom says, you know, the only way that you 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: can compete in sports is if you get good grades. 145 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Check, go to. 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: Practice, be diligent, check check check, work harder than anybody else. 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: Check. 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: And that narrative kind of just continued with me. Right, like, 149 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: I never was distracted with you know, social pressures or 150 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: any of that. You know, at that point, I knew 151 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: that I wanted to be a star. 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: Right. 153 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: You couple the pursuit of stardom with an incredible work ethic. 154 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: For example, I remember when I would train at the 155 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: highest of heights, Simone. I would when I would travel 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: to my training site, I would flip down my rearview mirror, 157 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: my mirror in my vehicle, and I would ask myself 158 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: prior to every session, will anybody train harder than you. 159 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: Today in the world, Marion? And I would close it. 160 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: I would go work out to three four hours, come back, 161 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: flip it down, and just me, I'd ask myself, Okay, honestly, 162 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: one on one, is there anybody you think in the 163 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: world that trained harder or better or smarter than you? 164 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: And I could say probably in a decade span, there 165 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: might have been a I got handful, maybe less than. 166 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Five times that I said to myself, you know what. 167 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 4: I probably would have been beaten today for whatever reason. 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Wait, this is such a fascinating look into your inner dialogue, 169 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: your inner monologue. 170 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: Into my crazy. 171 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: Hey, if I think it takes a little bit crazy, 172 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: you know, if you're trying to go somewhere, you need 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: to have a little bit of crazy. 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. 175 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to go back to something that you 176 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: said earlier. You said that the spotlight felt heavy, like 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: you really looking back and acknowledge that what was the 178 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: heaviest part of being the fastest woman on the planet 179 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: at that time, of enjoying the limelight, Well. 180 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: The heaviest part is I mean, this is all in retrospects, right, right, 181 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: And I'm almost fifty This year, I will be fifty 182 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: years old, and that's. 183 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: Crazy even to say that. 184 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: But the idea that in that season of my life, 185 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 4: I surrounded myself with people who were what I call 186 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: yes people and entertainers and celebrities, and the lights can 187 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: understand when you achieve a certain level of success, like 188 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: everybody wants to be your friend. 189 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: Right, for whatever reason, you can take the. 190 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: Care of them, right, It's it's just a thing that 191 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: people gravitate towards. And because of my age at that time, 192 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: I was young. I was in my early twenties. You 193 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: like the idea of somebody saying, ah, Danielle Simon, y'all 194 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 4: are like, y'all are. 195 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: Awesome, y'all are rocking it. 196 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: You're achieving success like this, that and the other, and 197 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: you start to only want that around you, people who 198 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: are going to say yes to whatever you want, and 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: you start distancing yourself from the people in your life 200 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: that will give it to you straight sometimes even when 201 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 4: you're a success. 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: And so for me, that was. 203 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: The hardest part getting caught in what I call that 204 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: wave of stardom, meaning it took me out in the 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 4: ocean and I was surrounded the ocean for me were 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: yes people. 207 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: And I made the decision, like I'm. 208 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: Not blaming anybody else, right, I guess if there's anything 209 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: it was naivety, right, Like I was just young and 210 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: got caught and thought for a while that I only 211 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 4: wanted to be around people who are going to tell 212 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: me how great I was. And at the shore were 213 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: the people my family, right, my childhood friends, the people 214 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: who I should have stayed close to but would have said, 215 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 4: you know what, Mariyan like, hmm, probably look twice at 216 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 4: that relationship or that business decision or this, that and 217 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: the other. But I didn't, and because of that, poor 218 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 4: choices were made. Consequences all of that, And yeah, people say, 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: if you could do things differently, Mary, and what would 220 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 4: it be, And I'd certainly say, hey, I would make 221 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: sure that I'll enjoy the ocean, right, but I won't 222 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: get too far away where I can't swim my way 223 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: back to shore whenever I want or need to. 224 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to take a short break, but don't 225 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: go anywhere. We'll be right back with Marion Jones. And 226 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: we're back with olympian and performance coach Marion Jones. I 227 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: think everyone who's you know, watched you perform, who's followed 228 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: your career, they know that you have gained and won, 229 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: but not everyone knows how much you lost. So in 230 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: two thousand and three, you were interviewed by federal agents. 231 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: What happened next? 232 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: Well, in two thousand and three, to take people back 233 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: to that time, especially people that are younger and don't 234 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: remember or know what happened, there was a lot of 235 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: talk investigations about professional athletes and performance enhancing drugs and 236 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: who was giving that to them, who was supplying that 237 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 4: to them, and the. 238 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: Whole cover up. 239 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 4: And when I was invited to speak to federal investigators 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: in three I accepted that invitation based off of the 241 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 4: knowledge that, hey, I'm here to answer whatever questions you 242 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: might have. I don't have any personal knowledge of it, 243 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 4: but hey, maybe we can talk, right, you don't You 244 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: don't really turn down an interview request by federal investigators 245 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: f L. And so we went there and my attorneys 246 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: were with me, and you know, they're like, hey, Marion, 247 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 4: you know anything with us that you want to share 248 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 4: that you're nervous for? 249 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: And I said no. And prior to the meeting. 250 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: And most many people don't know, Simon and Daniel is 251 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: prior to the meeting, I signed what's. 252 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: Called a clean for a Day letter. 253 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: It's a very popular letter in that prior to meeting 254 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 4: with federal investigators, if you sign this in essence says 255 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: that no matter what you share with them, if you 256 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: tell the truth to them, they won't pursue you in 257 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: any prosecution. Right, So, and it's like protecting you. And 258 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 4: because I had nothing to hide. I signed the letter 259 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: with my attorneys giving me information, making sure I have 260 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: all of the information. 261 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Cool sign the letters. 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 4: So we go into the interview and I'm being asked 263 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: questions about if I knew this, if I knew about 264 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: this supplement, and I'm like, no, I don't you know. 265 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: I have a relationship with a certain company and they 266 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: supply my supplements, and I've been tested probably the most 267 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 4: tested athlete in the world in terms of if I'm 268 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 4: taking performance enhancing drugs, and never ever did anything come 269 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 4: up as positive. And finally they took something out of 270 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: their bag. It was in a little zip lacked bag 271 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: and they kind of pushed it across the table, and. 272 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: Immediately when they did that, I recognized it. 273 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 4: I recognized that it had been something that I had 274 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 4: been given for a good amount of time prior to 275 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: the Games and was told that it was something else. 276 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: And in the span of forty five seconds, I realized 277 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 4: that what I had been reading about in the news 278 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 4: right was this particular supplement or performance enhancing drug and 279 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: I had taken it, had been given it and taken 280 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: it and told that it was something else. So I 281 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: made the decision in that split moment, Okay, if I 282 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: tell them that I know what this is and that 283 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: indeed I had taken it. 284 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: In that I felt that. 285 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: If I was told them the truth, everything that I 286 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: had worked for, everything that I dreamed of, all the 287 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 4: successes that I had would be gone. So I made 288 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: the decision in that split moment to lie to them 289 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: and tell them, hey, don't know what it is, never 290 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: seen it, never taken it. Fast forward, however, many years 291 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: the weights of that lie, although like they never pursued 292 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 4: me or anything, the weight of that lie became heavy. 293 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: And at that point I had kids. 294 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: I had my two boys by that point, and I'm, 295 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: you know, trying to do the right thing as a parent, 296 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: tell them like, hey, you know, son, once you make 297 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: a poor decision, what are you supposed to do? And 298 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: they're little boys at this point. Sure, you tell them, hey, 299 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: we're all going to make mistakes, and when you make 300 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 4: a mistake, you come and tell mammy, right, and there 301 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: probably will be a consequence, but it's better if you 302 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: tell me sooner rather than later, right, And That's was 303 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: what I was feeling, right like, I'm telling my boys this, 304 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 4: but I'm not this And I knew that if I 305 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 4: decided to, you know, come clean and tell the truth, 306 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 4: that there would be severe consequences, and there were, but 307 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: I could never have guessed how severe they were my issue. 308 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 4: People think, you know what she she went to prison 309 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: and I was sentenced to six months incarceration. I spent 310 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 4: forty nine days in solitary confinement. I didn't go to 311 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: prison because I took performance enhancing drugs. I went to 312 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: prison because I lied to federal investigators and that that 313 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 4: was my that was my crime. 314 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: Were you shocked by your sentence? Ah? 315 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: Like understatement of the century right like there I was. 316 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: Certainly this was the president and the judge even in 317 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: sharing the sentence with us and with me, saying, hey, 318 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: you will be the example. You will be the example. 319 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: Even going into that particular court day, it was highly 320 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: recommended from the court that I'd be sentenced to probation 321 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: and you know, community service and doing things with young 322 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: athletes about you know, good choices and all those type 323 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 4: of things. 324 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: So we walked in there. 325 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: Really really thinking that that's what's going to be my sentence, 326 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: knowing that the other sentence was out there. It's always 327 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 4: out there, but that would not be a reality and 328 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 4: two and a half three hours later into the sentencing, 329 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: I had to look to my lefts and ask my 330 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 4: attorneys like, wait, hold on, is this what I think 331 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: it is? 332 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: And it was. 333 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: And there's been a lot of time for me to 334 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: sit and say like like. 335 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: Why why why me? Woe is me? Woe is me? 336 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: That really hasn't gotten me anywhere. There was a moment's. 337 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: There when I was in prison that I allowed myself 338 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: to go to that dark place like man. 339 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: Man, you you've lost it all? Like where do you 340 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: go from here? 341 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: And there were really a few moments where I was 342 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 4: I sat there saying like this is a mess. 343 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what else I can do. But then 344 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: I snapped out of it and people ask well, like 345 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: how do you do that? Like that is the key, 346 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Like that is what I want to share with people. 347 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 4: And the way that I did that is that you 348 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: know what, it was one poor choice. It was one 349 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: poor choice and it does not define who I am, 350 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: Like I have so much respect for my incredible mother 351 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: who raised my brother and I as a single parent. 352 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: She came to this. 353 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 4: Country at a very young age to create a better 354 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 4: life for herself and her family, and I says I 355 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 4: Am not going to step out of this facility thinking 356 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: that I'm not worthy of anything good. And how do 357 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 4: I do that? I fight, I reframe, I make a plan. 358 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: What's my next steps? What are my strengths? And there 359 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 4: are a lot more than just being the fastest woman 360 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 4: in the world, thankfully, and I have ways to connect 361 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 4: with people. 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: I have gifts that had nothing to do with sport. 363 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: How do I start to tap into all of those? 364 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: And that's what I started to do step by step. 365 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: Marion. 366 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: I know that Simon and I are both so curious 367 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: about the now, but I do want to go back 368 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: for a moment to when you were sentenced, because the 369 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: public was really shocked and they were kind of aggressive 370 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: about you using these drugs. But the athletic world is 371 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: different than the public sphere. How normalized were these in 372 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: the athlete world. 373 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: The answer to that is, like I would know, my 374 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: bubble was small during that time. There was a lot 375 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: of tainting of supplements, so most professional athletes hired companies 376 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: to create our supplements. 377 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: Right. 378 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: I can remember that in the news, certain athletes going 379 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 4: to the gncs of the world and getting their supplements 380 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 4: and they're being tainted with things that potentially could be 381 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: performance enhancing. Well, when you are an elite professional athlete 382 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: and you're getting paid a lot of money, you can't 383 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: afford that to happen. 384 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: So you hire a company. 385 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: You hire companies to make sure that what you are taking, 386 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: which is natural, you are asking a lot of your body. 387 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 4: You need supplements, you need things to make sure that 388 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: you can recover. 389 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: It's just the way that it is. And you bring 390 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: in outside people to fulfill all those roles. 391 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: You have a coach to make sure that you're programming 392 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 4: and you're working out in a certain way. You have 393 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: a psychologist to make sure that your mindset is prepared 394 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: for What about. 395 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: You have all these people whom you. 396 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: Hire, who are you're in your corner, and whom you 397 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: rely on to make certain decisions for you. Even more 398 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 4: so when you're nineteen and twenty and twenty one years 399 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 4: old and you're just out of college. I ask people 400 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 4: a lot of times who are very who were very aggressive, 401 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: and they're coming at me and why do you do 402 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: this and why. 403 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Do you do that? And I say, just pause a second, 404 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: what were you doing at eighteen years old? 405 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: At nineteen years old, were you are on the cover 406 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: of Vogue was every every time you stepped out of 407 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: the house doing this, Like, were the cameras on you? Right? 408 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: And if they were, what kind of dirt before social media? 409 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: Right? 410 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: What kind of dirt would you be comfortable with the 411 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: world knowing? Like right now, right? And a lot of 412 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: people will say, oh, all right, right. 413 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 3: Right, it's time for another short break. We'll be right 414 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: back with olympian and performance coach Marion Jones. And we're 415 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: back with Marion Jones. Maryan, how do you respond to 416 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: skepticism around your claim that you didn't know you were 417 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: taking performance enhancing drugs? 418 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, for a while there, I claimed, well, hey, 419 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: I mean it's your word versus mine. And my claim 420 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: is that I was the most tested athlete in the world. 421 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 4: And if you followed the trajectory of my career from 422 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: like eleven years old old running you know, age group 423 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 4: track there in Los Angeles, you'll see the natural progression. Right, 424 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 4: So you're not going to see me running times when 425 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 4: I'm fifteen compared to twenty five, and there's like no 426 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 4: if you followed my career and most track historians have, 427 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 4: they can say, okay, right, like this is a natural progression. 428 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: She didn't like just pop on the scene and win 429 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: these gold medals. This was a many, many year journey. 430 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: And then Danielle, you get to a point where like, like, 431 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: I'm not going to argue that point anymore. Right, Like 432 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: I've said what I've said, I have paid my consequences, right, 433 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: Apologies have been made, Tears have been shed, money has 434 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: been lost, consequences were steep, and I'm done with it. 435 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Like this is where I'm at now. 436 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: I don't have any problem sharing and giving context, like 437 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 4: we've done with what happened. 438 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: You forgot prison time, you did the day in that 439 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: as they say, I did. 440 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 4: The time plus right, like the forty nine days in solitary. 441 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, now, at some point, I've moved on. 442 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: And that is why you see a certain level of 443 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: success where I'm at now, you don't have to keep 444 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: shedding tears. 445 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I've been there. I did that. Poor decisions were made, 446 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: consequences were had. 447 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: Now how can I help people like not have to 448 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: go through certain things that I did? 449 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Like that is where I'm at. 450 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: I think in reflecting on that chapter of your life 451 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: when you faced this immense public scrutiny, you were twenty 452 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: five in the year two thousand, right, Yeah, you were 453 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: incredibly young. What did you learn about yourself and the 454 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: pressures that we all face to present this certain version 455 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: of ourselves to the world. What can you say in 456 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: hindsight about that. 457 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 4: That the earlier on that you are comfortable and able 458 00:23:53,480 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: to step into your own authenticity, like the health you 459 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: will become and the healthier meaning you will be able 460 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: to make better decisions business career decisions, relationship decisions. 461 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of 462 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: pressure on young athletes. 463 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on how much money you 464 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 4: can make for yourself and for other people. You know, 465 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 4: an athlete has such a short window of fame, such 466 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: a short window in essence to make what money you 467 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 4: can retire off of, which is a span really, if 468 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm being generous, five years, So the pressure is even 469 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 4: more intense, more intense, And I suppose, you know, if 470 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: what lesson has been learned from that whole situation is 471 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: really just be true to yourself. You know, you don't 472 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 4: have to say yes to every interview, you don't have 473 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 4: to say yes to every opportunity. Find what fits your personality, 474 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: what do you want to do right? Like find out. 475 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 4: I tell young athletes, now find what you're passionate about, 476 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: like while you're in the height of your fame, because 477 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 4: I've found that running again fast from here to there. 478 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: Ah. 479 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 4: I mean it might inspire some young athletes, but on 480 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things, it's not going to really 481 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 4: make some young mother in Bolivia's life like that much 482 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 4: better and stronger. What is it that you can use 483 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: your name, your likeness, your image, your words to really 484 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 4: change the trajectory of this world. 485 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: You have such a short window. Take advantage of it. 486 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's universal, regardless of what industry 487 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 3: you're in. We all like to think that things last forever, 488 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: but you have to be able to recognize the moment 489 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: you're in and make the most of it. 490 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I really see that. 491 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: So, having gone through all of this, I feel like 492 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: you are one of the best people to ask about regret. 493 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm curious what your philosophy is on regret and whether 494 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: it's evolved in light of your journey. 495 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: It certainly has evolved. 496 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: It evolves because of maturity and growth and what you 497 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: learn about the world and like myself, and it's a 498 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: sticky road when you start talking about regrets because if 499 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 4: I could go back and make certain changes in decisions 500 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: that I made. Sure, do I regret making a quick 501 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 4: decision that would affect my family and parts of my future. Sure, 502 00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 4: But honestly, y'all, I find so much joy satisfaction knowing 503 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 4: that people's lives are truly transformed. People are inspired and 504 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 4: motivated to do things differently and better because of my journey. 505 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: I mean to break it down, like my kids would say, 506 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: I'm good, like like I want when my kids tell 507 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 4: me that, I'm. 508 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: Like, can you give me more more than You're good? 509 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 4: But really, I mean, y'all know what I'm saying, Like 510 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: like I'm good. 511 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: In terms of regret, there's really not right. 512 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: I think once you have owned up to something and 513 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 4: you've done everything imaginable to try and rectify the situation, 514 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: make it better, you gotta be done. You got to 515 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: move on, right, And I have raid, and it's not 516 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: it's not for me to help people also move on. 517 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: If that makes any sense, Like I moved on. 518 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 4: If people are unwilling to move on about a certain topic, 519 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 4: like like sorry, but I'm. 520 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: Good, I think that's fair. 521 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: When I was younger, I used to think, like live 522 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: no regrets, but I think there's like a gray area there, 523 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: and I'm starting to rethink my relationship with regret and 524 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: my philosophy with regret. I listened to this podcast that 525 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: Oprah hosted with an author who wrote a book about regret, 526 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: and I just thought it was really interesting to think 527 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: about the ways in which regrets can shape us and 528 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: can move us forward. You know, I think there's room 529 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: for a healthy relationship with it. But it sounds like 530 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: you've moved past that and you're in a really good space. 531 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. I am simonar And it takes time, right, and 532 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: it takes maturity, and it takes lifeing as they say, Yeah. 533 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: Your life has been a story of these incredible highs 534 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: and challenging lows, and I think through it all, you've 535 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: really had to rebuild some of that trust with yourself, 536 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: with loved ones, with the public. For anybody who is 537 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: struggling to come back from their own set back, what 538 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: is your advice to them or to us? 539 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: The first piece of advice would be to give yourself 540 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: some type of grace, right. I think life has a 541 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 4: way of knocking you down, So that's the first thing. 542 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: Give yourself some breathing room, and then from there start 543 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 4: making a running tallly of all of the wonderful things 544 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 4: about yourself, like what are your strengths, what do you 545 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 4: possess inside of you that is innate, that is good, 546 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 4: that is brilliant, that is genius, and what that's doing, 547 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 4: Danielle Simone, It is empowering you, not based off of 548 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: what anybody says or does about you, but this. 549 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: Is you building yourself up. And so from there then 550 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: you start moving forward. 551 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: I like to say I said it already, like you 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 4: start reframing, not just like in my sense like what 553 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: the media said about you or what media said about me, 554 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: or or what type of person I was or athlete 555 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 4: or whatever, but this is based off of what I know. 556 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: I am great at, what I am good at, what 557 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 4: I feel good about. And that's when you start building 558 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 4: and building and building into what you've created is something 559 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: that is very unique to you, not based off of 560 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 4: anybody like patting. 561 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: You on the back or needing or want anything from you. 562 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: This is you, right and you can begin to really 563 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 4: really flourish beautiful. 564 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a perfect place to end. Fam yayah, Mary, 565 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: and thank. 566 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: You so much for talking with us on the bright Side. 567 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: You're welcome, Simone, Danielle. I wish you all all the best. 568 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 3: Well too, Thank you so much. Marion Jones is a 569 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: five time Olympic medalist and performance coach for entrepreneurs and 570 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: young professionals. 571 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, It's Wellness Wednesday. Substance 572 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: abuse expert doctor Rachel Saiko Adams joins us to unpack 573 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: the Surgeon General's advisory about the link between alcohol consumption 574 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: and cancer. 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