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Speaker 1: Comedy Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to another episode of Comedy

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Speaker 2: Saved Me. My guest today is a comedian, a writer,

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Speaker 2: and podcaster who's been on a serious role as of late.

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Speaker 2: He's written for The Onion, Conan and After Midnight with

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Speaker 2: Taylor Tomlinson, and most recently, he was in the room

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Speaker 2: for the Oscars. He was named a Just for Laughs

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Speaker 2: new Face in twenty twenty two, which is no small feat.

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Speaker 2: His stand up has appeared on Comedy Central and Don't

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Speaker 2: Tell Comedy, and Vulture just named him you one of

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Speaker 2: the comedians you should know, which you should know? I agree,

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Speaker 2: Oh it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he's also the host of a brand

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Speaker 2: new podcast called Help Me Be Black, a podcast about

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Speaker 2: growing up with white parents and the cultural catch up

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Speaker 2: that ensues. And he also has one of the most

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Speaker 2: infectious laughs, by the way, that I've ever heard, you know,

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Speaker 2: the kind of laugh when someone laughs you just hear

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Speaker 2: them laugh and you start laughing. So I'm very excited

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Speaker 2: to welcome our next guest coming up next, Skyler Higgley.

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Speaker 2: He's right here on Comedy Save Me, Don't Go Anywhere,

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Speaker 2: Comedy Saved Me Skyler Higley. Welcome to Comedy Save Me.

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Speaker 2: It's great to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Hi, nice to meet you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me. The intro is so nice, and I do

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Speaker 1: my laugh. It did get me, I wouldn't say into trouble,

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Speaker 1: but on after midnight I got a little bit of shit.

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Speaker 1: For when I'm laughing in the other room, if we

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Speaker 1: split up the writers, you can hear me laughing at

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Speaker 1: stuff from the other room, and I think I have, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a good, big laugh. And so people would be mad

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Speaker 1: because they'd be like, yeah, they're having so much fun

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Speaker 1: in that other room, and you know, they'd be upset

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Speaker 1: about whatever is happening because they'd be trying to focus

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Speaker 1: on whatever their work is. And then here I am

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Speaker 1: laughing down the hall and I'm like, what do they

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Speaker 2: It's a boisterous laugh. Well, you know what, they're just

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Speaker 2: jealous because they're not having as much fun as you are.

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Speaker 1: Well, and they said that, they said, we're jealous, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if yeah, but it's not. It's just

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Speaker 1: how I laugh. I'm not doing it on purpose. I'm

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Speaker 1: not pulling it out. That's just how my voice goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of a geek for voices because I've

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Speaker 2: been doing voice work for a few decades and my

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Speaker 2: best friend growing up, Scott, had one of those laughs

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Speaker 2: figure out how I could bottle it and sell it

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Speaker 2: because it just makes people so happy. You could just

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Speaker 2: go on stage, Skylar and laugh and then you could

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Speaker 2: be done.

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Speaker 1: And oh man, you have.

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Speaker 2: To write it.

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Speaker 1: All I needed in my life was my own laughs.

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Speaker 1: Then I think that I would. I would, I'd never

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Speaker 1: have started doing any of the things that I'm doing. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I need everybody else's and I want everybody else to

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Speaker 1: be laughing like me. But yeah, I would. I would

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Speaker 2: Also, Oh come on, now, you got to give yourself

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Speaker 2: some credit. Well, can you take us back to the

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Speaker 2: beginning of that laugh and when comedy first showed up

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Speaker 2: in your life and did it feel like a calling

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Speaker 2: or more like a coping mechanism for you?

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Speaker 1: Whoa big question out the gate bolts bolts for sure,

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Speaker 1: because I was so interested in you know, you would

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Speaker 1: that's like they're doing roles or whatever. But when you

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Speaker 1: making them laugh and that is and that's their job

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Speaker 1: and people did people pay them for that? And it

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Speaker 1: was really interesting because I was like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: But of course it felt like a big coping mechanism

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, where is that socializing? Wanting

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Speaker 2: But I mean, but it makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 2: and I and I often wonder thankfully people turn to

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Speaker 2: else that would be plainful to you or people around you.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, yeah, I mean I could have. Also, I've

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Speaker 2: It almost seems like anyone can be these days.

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Speaker 1: You should have to be like charismatic at this point.

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Speaker 2: I have to have a little bit of that. What

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Speaker 1: natural thing that I was always doing when I was

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Speaker 1: making other people laugh felt so affirming. I was really

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Speaker 2: Know, get that feeling.

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Speaker 1: I have a distinct memory of as watching Friends with

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Speaker 1: that's something that feels good. Yeah, And then I think

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Speaker 1: But it was like funny, Like that moment of like

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Speaker 1: it's another thing that people laughed at, and I could

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Speaker 2: Now, did you. Wow, that's an early lesson that to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And also did you find that you got away

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Speaker 1: I think I think you generally, well, that's what I

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Speaker 2: No, they don't and it's and it's really cool, like

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Speaker 2: you know, making friends like that as well. I used

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Speaker 1: I did. I had a really interesting scenario. I was adopted,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I was adopted by white Mormon parents,

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Speaker 1: Simpsons and it's really inappropriate. I remember that being like

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Speaker 2: So to say, how do you avoid that?

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Speaker 1: It was kind of It's interesting because the rules were

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Speaker 2: But Yeah, to me, it's like walking through a minefield,

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Speaker 1: Interesting? It's different for different things. My process is very

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Speaker 1: Honestly, to go back to go back to my Mormon roots.

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Speaker 1: very spiritual, but I'm like, it's like a slaver. It's

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Speaker 1: it fresh. I don't have like a specific writing process.

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Speaker 1: But like my process for Onion headlines is much different

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. I mean, do you ever does has

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Speaker 2: Don't you love that?

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Speaker 1: I get that sometimes right, yeah, and you're like, no,

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Speaker 2: Take us into the writer's room. You already said it

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Speaker 2: If you have a huge laugh attack, you're obviously going

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Speaker 2: that you're funny or funnier. But what's the pressure feel

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Speaker 2: like when you know, like literally a billion people are

436
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: going to hear your joke?

437
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think we're internalizing that. Really, I don't think. No,

438
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't. There is the first time, and especially

439
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: as we got right into the show, that pressure starts

440
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: to build. But like the people who are writers, everybody

441
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: who was writers with on the team that I was on,

442
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: which was this the Conen writing team, they are so

443
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: seasoned and so experienced and so good that and have

444
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: been doing it for so long you know that it's

445
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: it's nobody's really getting stressed out. You get stressed out

446
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: in the same what you get neurotic about what feels

447
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: right and whatever. But I don't think we're super nervous

448
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: and we I think personally i'd be more nervous if

449
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: I was the one that I had to go out

450
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: there and do it. But we are sort of right

451
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: as the oscars are happening. Right at showtime, we're sort

452
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: of situation rooming in the background and kind of just

453
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, how's it gonna go? How's it gonna go?

454
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: That is the time when we're the most nervous. The

455
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: rest of the process is relatively fun because we're writing

456
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: jokes every day. We're trying to pitch bits every day

457
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: running up to it, and it starts to because we

458
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: work on it for the three months, so it's kind

459
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: of it goes to January to whatever the Oscars is.

460
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: So everything's kind of abstract and blue sky early on,

461
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: and that it congeals more and more and more as

462
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: we get up to show time and as we're following

463
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: the tone of how the awards race is kind of going,

464
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: as we're following the news, as we're following how the

465
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: industry's going, and so it's kind of so we can

466
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: have what feels like a good reflection of the time

467
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: and do comedy that feels both evergreen and like this

468
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: is what this is, what this year means in terms

469
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: of movies and the film and industry. So it is fun.

470
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: There's not there's pressure involved, of course, but like Conan's

471
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: such a pro. Conan's writers are such pros that it's

472
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: not they've done it before in big shows before that,

473
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: so it's it's really not that scary. No.

474
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Speaker 2: I can only imagine it being so much fun that

475
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't even know how I would be able to

476
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: get anything done. And just thinking about Conan alone, like

477
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: just mentioning his name makes me want to laugh. So

478
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what it must be like to

479
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: work with him and write with his team.

480
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: He is the reason, and he understands this. He is

481
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: the reason why a lot of times we're not getting

482
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Speaker 1: anything done is the writers. People will sit there and we're,

483
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're writing, and then he'll kick the door

484
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: in and do anywhere from fifteen to two hours and

485
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of looking around and riffing that. You're like, okay,

486
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: that's great, Can you stop.

487
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: I gotta get work done.

488
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. At a certain point we kind of sit there

489
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: and then sometimes you know, he will go for a

490
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: while and it'll be lower energy and he'll still just

491
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: be like kind of hanging out and it's like, okay,

492
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: but we don't really we're not getting real work done

493
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: while you're in here. And he knows that, so he

494
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: just likes to have conversations about, you know, the direction

495
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: he's going with stuff, what he's trying to do. He's

496
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: he's great in so many ways because he's a very

497
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: very silly man, as we all know. But he's also

498
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: a very thoughtful guy in terms of comedy and in

499
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: terms of how it should be done and the bar

500
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: that we're trying to clear in terms of comedy, especially

501
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: for what we're doing, and he has a lot of

502
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: conversations about that, and you know, and will come in

503
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: and sort of rally the troops and encourage the writers

504
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: and go, it's never too late to come up with

505
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: an amazing idea. Always be coming up with the idea

506
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: is it's and he's all about sort of staying limber

507
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: but like kind of you never know, and let's just

508
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: like make get happen.

509
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: And it just the way that he goes about doing it,

510
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: I think is what leads to really good comedy because

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: it's not like him coming in being like pressure, pressure, pressure,

512
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: do a good job, do a good job.

513
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Do a good job. He goes, He comes in and

514
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: he goes, I know that you guys are great. I

515
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: know that you can do an amazing job. Just continue

516
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: to be trying your best, thinking of all these ways.

517
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: But we're knocking it out of the park. I'm really

518
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: happened the last two years especially, he's been really like

519
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: that leading up to the show no more and more,

520
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's been. It's just a really fun process

521
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: to be a part of that.

522
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. I would love to be a

523
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: fly on the wall now. Skyler being named just for

524
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: Laugh's new face is a real industry stamp of approval.

525
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: Did that change everything for you or the way that

526
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: rooms looked at you or the you looked at yourself.

527
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: No, that's an easy one. No, no, no, no, well because

528
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: and not to go too into the weeds of the

529
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: comedy industry, but it has changed especially I would say

530
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: the two big demarcations is post twenty sixteen. Around then

531
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the twenty tens were sort of the peak of the

532
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: way comedy industry is working before and then COVID and

533
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: post COVID then it was like completely different. So by

534
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: the time I went to JFL It was a great,

535
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: huge honor, got me a lot of people in the

536
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: industry that I met and stuff like that. But it

537
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: used to be a lot more of a thing where

538
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: if it's like if you went to JFL you are

539
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: now it's the big time. It's definitely a great thing

540
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: to have and it's good. But in terms of did

541
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: it change everything, no, oh, and I don't know that.

542
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: With a few exceptions, I don't know if there's really

543
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: much that does kind of change everything now, which I

544
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: think is bad and good in some ways. The ways

545
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: in which it's good is I now feel like, you know,

546
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: I did a Comedy Central set. I grew up on

547
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Comedy Central stand up. I finally got to tape a

548
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: ten minute Comedy Central set. It's on YouTube. People can

549
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: see it. That was something where another one of back

550
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: in the day that would have really felt like I

551
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: did it. It's changed, I've made it whatever. It's just

552
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: like climbing. You just kind of keep climbing and reaching

553
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: for the next thing until you look back down and

554
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: they how look look how far? Yeah, and you're super tired.

555
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: You think, look how far of climbs? And wow, wouldn't

556
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: it be scary if I fell off here and then

557
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: you got a whole other thing stressed out about. So yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: I don't no, I don't feel you know, I don't

559
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: personally feel like I am a famous comedian in any way.

560
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: That's said. I have done some things that I'm proud

561
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: of and continue to do that, and there's a lot

562
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: of I think, interesting, fun things that I'm working on

563
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: right now that are gonna come out in a lot

564
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: of ways. I'm just getting started.

565
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: But oh you are just by the way. I'm just

566
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: here to tell you that you're just getting started. Especially

567
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 2: if you just turn thirty. Oh my god, it's like

568
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: the beginning for me.

569
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I know, it's the oldest I've ever been.

570
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: Really, that's all you've ever been is thirty.

571
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I know I want to take sixty two out for

572
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: a spin someday, but I don't know.

573
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh you will, but you know when your mentality what

574
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: you're describing as was my next question, which I guess

575
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: is probably the same answer about Vulture saying you know,

576
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: the one to watch. You know, these things would usually

577
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: indicate that someone has arrived and you're saying, yeah, well

578
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: it's great to have, but it's sort of part of

579
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: the process. And I'm just going to keep moving forward regardless.

580
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: And it's not about fame really, it's more about working.

581
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all about building sort of a sustainable

582
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: career and being able to pay your bills at the

583
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: end of the day. Say to myself all the time,

584
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: I love the opportunities that I'm getting, that I get

585
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: and I'm getting and I'm grateful for them. But also

586
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: everything is just another thing. Everything time moves on. You

587
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: have to keep doing more stuff. This whole idea of

588
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: arriving or making it, there are so many people who

589
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: have arrived and then they unarrived. You arrived for a second.

590
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: Then your kind of career kind of goes up and

591
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: down and you can be on and then you can

592
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: be off, and then you can be back on and

593
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: it can just be Hopefully you get to a place

594
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: eventually where you're like, I've reached a happiness and a

595
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: satisfaction with everything that's happened, and keep trying for better.

596
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's it's tough because it's it's like, well,

597
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: the and also the idea of even fame now is abstract.

598
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: It's it's you can be really famous to some people.

599
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: You can be not. I mean, con o'bryan's one of

600
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: the most famous people in the world. And there were

601
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: some people that when I first started writing for him

602
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty that I told about like Conan, and

603
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: a couple of people were like, oh, yeah, which one's

604
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Conan again? Who is that?

605
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh that happened to you before you turn thirty, because

606
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: that's usually a milestone thing when you turn thirty and

607
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: you like, you just talking with someone and you run

608
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: a line from a movie and they're like, what was

609
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: that from? And that's when you're like, oh shit, right,

610
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: But that obviously happened to you five years ago, Skyler,

611
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: So you're experiencing things a little bit earlier.

612
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: But it makes sense, right, But the feature is different

613
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: now because people are and people are so into and

614
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't that many people like some people, yes, but

615
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: some people are also like, oh yeah, I don't really

616
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, even then, and those where even people who

617
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: are slightly younger than me, I think, and not in

618
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: comedy or even the comedy fans really, so that's also

619
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: a different thing. But yeah, it's that's just what happens,

620
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: you know. You could say I could say right now,

621
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I could say like, oh, yeah, I show speed is

622
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: a person who is very very very famous right now,

623
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sure tons of listeners would be like, who

624
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: is that? Who is that guy? He just said? And

625
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: it's just like an internet streamer guy who's like crazy famous.

626
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: But if you're over the age of I want to say,

627
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: every nobody over the age of thirty five has heard

628
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: of this guy before, and for good reason. There's an

629
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: internet guy and it's kind of clear what he actually does.

630
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: He like plays video games, but then also just kind

631
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: of runs around, you know, like that's all. That's what

632
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: fame is now, So it's not like an inherent actual value.

633
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be sort of famous for famous's sake,

634
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: the way that started happening in the two thousands times,

635
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: after reality TV shows and all of that. You know.

636
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: So, what I think you're kind of saying, if I

637
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: could summarize, is don't rest on your laurels, meaning don't

638
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: just assume you know you've got it all, but also

639
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: relax in the saddle of life.

640
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.

641
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: Thanks.

642
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also like enjoy it, enjoy it, really have

643
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: to enjoy. That's the biggest thing you know this podcast

644
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: is it's comedy saved me. And the weird thing that

645
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: can happen. And I've been in these situations sometimes is

646
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, I am trying to make comedy. I am

647
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: a comedian and I'm so frustrated and upset and this

648
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: sucks and I hate what's going on and it's crazy

649
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: because you're like, but wait, this is supposed to be comedy,

650
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: so shouldn't even that be Why am I? Why am

651
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I mad? Why am I angry? Why am I feeling

652
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: so competitive about comedy that I'm upset at everything around me?

653
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: And why am I?

654
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: So?

655
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: Why is my mindset like this? If it is supposed

656
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: to be making people laugh and making people happy like that,

657
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: that's dumb. That's dumb. Who Why would it suck to

658
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: be the person that's trying to make people laugh that?

659
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: And you can very easily in the entertainment industry, especially

660
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: get into that zone because it's so competitive, there's so

661
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: much hierarchy. There's people that you started with that are

662
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: getting way more famous than you. There are people that

663
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: started after you you that are getting way more famous

664
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: than you, And you go, where is my mom? I'm

665
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: not gettingthing stuff was uh, and then you get upset

666
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: and then it's like you're supposed to be enjoying this,

667
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: And that is always something that I try to really remember.

668
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: I've been on a huge, huge because I think there's

669
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of really not good stuff happening in comedy

670
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: right now in terms of what people are allowing to happen,

671
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: and that is very easy to be very cynical about.

672
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Reason my example, I think the easiest example that I

673
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of people will have heard of is

674
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: like Tony Hingecliff and the killed Tony stuff I find

675
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: to be very negative and very not good, and I

676
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: think very exploitive, and you know, he's he goes he

677
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: was at the big Trump rally, heat heap. A lot

678
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: of this stuff I find very problematic and really negative.

679
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Not to harp on that, but because that's such a

680
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: big part of what it's it's grown and grown and

681
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I would say metastasized as a part of the comedy industry,

682
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: that you can sit there and kind of be mad

683
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: about that all day, with which sh I am in

684
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But I also try to shift

685
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: my focus to what am I going to be positive

686
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: about and what do. I like, I don't want to

687
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: just do what the system is telling me to do.

688
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: I would like to be positive in and enjoy the

689
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: things and see comedy that I like and see my

690
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: friends and go, wow, that's really really amazing. That's because

691
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: it's hard to do comedy that's good. So like, of

692
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: course there's going to be a lot of bad stuff

693
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: because like the good stuff is hard to make, and

694
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: if there's so many people in this, there's gonna be

695
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: a lot of bad and it's not the best of it.

696
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: Let's like, I'm trying to focus on the good more,

697
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: not to say I don't want to criticize the stuff

698
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: that I think is the bad, because I do, But

699
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I just think that also kind of living in a

700
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: space where it's like, but there is so much amazing

701
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: comedy right now that so many people can be affirmed from,

702
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: and that is interesting and new and different, that that

703
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: is is a nice place for me to be.

704
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, necessity breeds invention, So never fear because where there's

705
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: a whole, it'll be filled with something good. And also,

706
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: what you just said was really poignant. If you focus

707
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: on the things that you don't want, that's what you're

708
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: going to get Yeah, so why focus on that I.

709
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Heard very early on. I don't even remember this is

710
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: I think this was in terms of a creative thing.

711
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: But it's like, you can't define something entirely by what

712
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: it's what it's not. You know, I can't. I can't

713
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: tell you who I am and just tell you, oh, well,

714
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not that. That's

715
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: not that gives you no sense of who I am.

716
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: But but you have to define it by like what

717
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: it is, by the positive, by what's there. You can't

718
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: entirely define something correctly by the negative or what if

719
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: it's an antithesis too, So that is that's also, you know,

720
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Speaker 1: I think very important to me in terms of both

721
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: personally and the way I want to live my life,

722
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Speaker 1: but also just like creatively, where it's like no, it's

723
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: instead of being like it's not like it's not like

724
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: it's like okay, But what is it? How do you

725
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: feel it all? What? What is? What is good? What?

726
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? Not like what do

727
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: you hate that other people are doing.

728
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Comedy Saved

729
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Speaker 4: Me podcast. Welcome back to the Comedy Saved Me podcast.

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Speaker 2: What's something that surprised you about the comedy industry once

731
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: you got inside of it? Just one random thing that

732
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Speaker 2: was surprising.

733
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Thing surprised, Oh interesting.

734
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Speaker 2: If I like it? When I make you think you

735
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: really like that?

736
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Speaker 1: The thing that surprised me about the comedy industry. This

737
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: is gonna sound I know, I just talked so much.

738
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: I just pre positivity so much. But but the thing

739
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: that but the thing that really did surprise me is

740
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: like how incompetent so many people are. Who are the

741
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: people who aren't in charge of, yeah, running the show

742
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: because they many many of them have no sense of comedy.

743
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they have all in the control

744
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: and so you're kind of like, oh huh. And then

745
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that it's not super surprising, but in

746
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: terms of you know, who makes it, who's popular, who whatever?

747
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: Is that it's just really it is nothing in this

748
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: country has ever been truly merit based because of believerory.

749
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: But the comedy world of like this person's whatever, and

750
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: this person's over here, it's not merit based, and it

751
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anybody's inherently better than anybody else in terms

752
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: of talent. It's just that they got lucky in this

753
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: way and this thing happened, and then they kind of

754
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: took this path and that and then so they're there,

755
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of where they are, but they are

756
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: just there are incredibly talented people at every level, and

757
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: there are incredibly untalented people at every level and that,

758
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: and it's just it's the There is a I guess

759
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: correlation in my mind, and I think a pretty positive

760
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: correlation of talent to success, but it's very loosely correlated.

761
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Now I understand exactly what you're laying down.

762
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: So if you used to think, I guess, I used

763
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: to think, you know, if you put in this amount

764
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: of work and get this amount good, then you don't

765
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: get this amount successful. And that's just not true. You know,

766
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of factors. Some of them are about you,

767
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: most of them are not, you know. Some of them

768
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: is who you are, most of it is has nothing

769
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: to do with you, and you're just you know, it's

770
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: an industry, which means you are a laborer in the industry.

771
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: And when you think of yourself in terms of labor

772
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: in a marketplace, more than this, I'm the philosopher, poet,

773
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, extraordinary kind of guy. I have such a Yeah,

774
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: you're an artist, but it's like there's also the industry, uh,

775
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: and the mechanisms of capitalism in the industry in a

776
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: larger scale sense. Don't really they're not really interested in

777
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: the art itself or the equality of it. It's only

778
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in so far as like what can make money at

779
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: the end of the day, and they feel can make money.

780
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: And if somebody feels your movie idea could make a

781
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of money, whether good or bad, they're like, let's

782
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: do let's do that.

783
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

784
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're apples and oranges. That's what my husband always

785
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: tells me. We're just apples and.

786
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: As and or And you can be really you can

787
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: get really negative about that because that can sound awful.

788
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: But I think it just sort of releases a lot

789
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: of the personal making it about you, making it upset

790
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: about you when you didn't get something, or you know,

791
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: oh I must not be good enough, or it must

792
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: be about It's like, it's not about you, you know,

793
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: it's it's truly not It's about so many other factors

794
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: and just and it goes back to what I was

795
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: saying before, Just do your best and enjoy it.

796
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, such. I mean, it seems so simple to say that,

797
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: but it really is the truth because when you start

798
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: peeling back the onion, it ain't pretty in the center

799
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: there you think it's just like the golden egg is

800
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: in there, and you get there and you're like, wow,

801
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: this is what it is? Like why did I worry

802
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: so much? Why did I put so much pressure on

803
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: myself to be? And also, success isn't just finance it' right,

804
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: you know a life.

805
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, there's a lot of things to it. Well,

806
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: even in terms of you know, let's talk let's say

807
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: getting a show made or something like that. You could

808
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I guess you know, I was never

809
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: a good enough writer to get my show made or whatever.

810
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: But then like, let's think about it even more. There's

811
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: like whatever the concept is, if it works for any

812
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: of these places that is going to be these production companies,

813
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: and whether it works for them in a way that

814
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: they think that they can develop it into something that

815
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: they could sell to some of the networks, and whether

816
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: the networks want to buy it, and like what the

817
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: networks are, like, what their mandates are based on whatever

818
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: they think people are gonna like. And then on a

819
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: larger level. Now you have all these network consolidations where

820
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: Paramount is consolidating. No, and then they're cutting their executive

821
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: steps and they're blah blah blah. And then once you

822
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: once you start looking at it like that, Oh, it

823
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with the idea. Oh how

824
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: good it was, whether or not it was, it had

825
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Is all of this because

826
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: the Trump and all that. It just that it has

827
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you.

828
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: It's so true.

829
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, preach No, that's all. That's all. That's all I

830
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: had to say. I just I just want people to

831
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: not feel like they're If they feel like they're quote

832
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: unquote failing, that, they're not failures. It's not their fault.

833
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: It's not a personal quality of them. It's got everything

834
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: to do with the material conditions and the sort of

835
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: economic structure of what's going on. Like I've auditioned for SNL,

836
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I clearly didn't get it. I had a good audition,

837
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: but I did not get onto SNL. In the years since,

838
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I've done some things that I I've felt were really

839
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: cool and I really liked, and I like if I

840
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: had gone on SNL when I auditioned for it, then

841
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I never would have been able to write for the Oscars,

842
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: for example, and that has been very cool, interesting experience,

843
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: even in terms of getting to hang out with Conan

844
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: O'Brien from the amount of time that I've had, which

845
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: never would have happened if I had been on SNL

846
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: like it just true, wouldn't have. Everything that's meant for

847
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: you is meant for you. Yeah, don't even worry about it. Literally,

848
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: try your best, do your thing, do what you're interested in,

849
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: do what you think you'd be good at, and whatever

850
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: happens happens.

851
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: Listen to Skyler.

852
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Good.

853
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: Why can't we just listen to Skylar Skyler help me

854
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: be Black? Tell us about the podcast? What made you

855
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 2: want to be or our brother? Build a podcast?

856
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: Why did you want to?

857
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: Can we start at the beginning? No, what made you

858
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: want to build a whole podcast around this part of

859
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: your story? Really?

860
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to just because there is always been this

861
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: difference in what I experienced versus what black people in

862
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: black households, they grew up in black households and in

863
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: black communities know and have experienced. Culturally. It's always been

864
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: interesting with me because it's not like my life has

865
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: been without the struggles of being a black man in America. Obviously,

866
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: like that just happens regardless, but to have not connected

867
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: to have not been growing up connected to any of

868
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: the culture is a funny thing because the exchange was

869
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, you get this oppression, but like,

870
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be good at music, for example, you're gonna

871
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: grow up in a church. It's gonna teach you how

872
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: to sing really well, or you get to go to

873
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: black church because but I didn't get to have that.

874
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: So it's just always been something that has taken a

875
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: lot of unpacking, you know, for a good amount of

876
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: time when I was young, I was like, oh, I

877
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I'm really black. I don't know if

878
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: I really get to, you know whatever. It just is

879
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: something that was a huge point of strife in my

880
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: personal life and feeling an inferiority complex based on that,

881
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I've grown out of that now,

882
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: but I still did feel like my experience is not

883
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: ever going to have had change like that. It's just

884
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: where I'm from, and there's nothing that I can do

885
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: about that, even if I have to sometimes feel like

886
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm explaining myself to people. There's nothing that I can

887
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: do about it. So I just thought, you know what,

888
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: let's just I just want to talk about these things

889
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: because they are very interesting to me because as black

890
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: people are, culture and our experiences and our history is

891
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: so so important to our identities, and when you have

892
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: a different experience of that, it can be a little weird.

893
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of times sometimes people will just

894
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: react to something I put online or something, and I

895
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: got one comment where a guy was like this, this guy,

896
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: why is this guy talking like this? He's talking white

897
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, or it seems like he's, hey know, white people.

898
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: This guy's got like a white voice. And I go,

899
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: but he was kind of he was being very critical,

900
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: and I replied to him and I was like, oh yeah,

901
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean I was adopted and raised by white people.

902
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't my choice. There's nothing I could do about that.

903
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: And then that guy replied and he's like, oh man,

904
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's real different. And I didn't know you

905
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: like did a complete money. I thought it was so

906
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: funny because it was like, okay, so a lot of time,

907
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: for good reasons, black people will approach people who are

908
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: not behaving as traditionally black as like specifically trying to

909
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: sell out or being a certain way in order to

910
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: appeal to the white gays or whatever. But and I

911
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: think maybe from a distance, you can maybe approach myself

912
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: like that. But then once you just kind of hear

913
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the situation and then I had no control over it,

914
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, actually I actually do have empathy.

915
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: I thought you were just like trying to just not

916
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: be around black people, but I now see that you

917
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: just weren't given the opportunity to and that's a different scenario.

918
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's nice that you make people stop for a

919
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: minute and put themselves in someone else's shoes, because a

920
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know how to do that, and

921
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: it's like you should always seek first to understand before

922
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: being understood, but no one ever does that. It's like, no,

923
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: you gotta understand me first. I don't care what happened

924
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: to you.

925
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: People don't want to do that, and it's it's easier

926
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: not to, but it's it's yes, it is funny when

927
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: people just really they just want to kind of point

928
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: fingers and go this is and I don't like. I

929
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: don't like how it's different. And it's it's that same

930
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: thing that goes back to me when I was in

931
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: pre school of just being like, that's different. I don't

932
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: get it. I don't like it. Yeah, and now that's

933
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: something I am way more whipped to handle. But it's like,

934
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: this is who I am. What am I gonna do?

935
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: What I gonna do, This is who I am. It's fine,

936
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: and it's fine. I like it, But like if you're

937
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: mad at that, there's nothing I can do about it.

938
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: Whatever people might say, I'm very pro black. I'm very

939
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: when I think of the black identity politically and stuff

940
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: I know about our history. I'm trying to know as

941
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: much as I can about our culture that I didn't

942
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: grow up with, which takes a lot of time because

943
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: there's not like really one book. Oh yeah, yeah, there's

944
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: not one book that this is oh and it's like

945
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: and then also like we in America are not a monolith.

946
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: Then you also have the black diaspora across the world,

947
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and everybody in the diaspora feels differently about each other,

948
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: and everybody has a lot of opinions about all of

949
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: this stuff. And also then it's very insular because there's

950
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: this idea of you can be blacker or less black,

951
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: or there's this like version of essentialism and that's kind

952
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: of weird, and let's impact that and what is it?

953
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: It's so abstract. One of the best avenues to figure

954
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff out is podcast and you could

955
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: have a lot of different conversations about it. So that's

956
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: why I have a comedian, a black comedian that's a guest,

957
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: and they bring in a topic that they want to

958
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: talk about, and then we just talk about it and

959
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I do a little research. Most of the time

960
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't. Sometimes they have a take on it or

961
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: thoughts on it, and they want to educate me in

962
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: one way or another, and then we just talk and

963
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: we sit down and we riff and it's like very

964
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: lucy goosey casual and we usually end up learning a

965
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: thing or two or having some enlighten revelation and some

966
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: silly jokes the whole time. So it's fun.

967
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: That's the most important thing is coming away learning something,

968
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 2: and the laughter, of course is a bonus of what.

969
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: What's like one piece of advice that you that was

970
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: you know, sparked from the podcast, or the best piece

971
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: of advice either with a guest or with the audience

972
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: or conversation, something that stands out to you.

973
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: Something I learned recently that I didn't know is that

974
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: at Judentine celebrations there is at least in Houston, where

975
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: my guest Lacey grew up, there would be red kool

976
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: aid at the Juneine celebrations. And you know, the kool

977
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: aid and black people is already whatever stereotype, but also

978
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: the reason why it's read it's sort of representative of

979
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: like the blood of the ancestors and is like kind

980
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: of honoring people who came before and and died and

981
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: were you know, had terrible horrible experiences with slavery and

982
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and this that it's that and that tradition,

983
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: the red juice like tradition actually goes back up very

984
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: long time to Africa putting like certain red things and

985
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: dyes and stuff into the drinks to be honoring like

986
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: people in the past. I had no idea. I had

987
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: no idea, and I was like, wow, I had that's

988
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: and I think, I know, you know, at this point,

989
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: I know a good amount just from the friends that

990
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: I've had. I'm finding things out all the time where

991
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't know, I didn't know that, I

992
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: had no idea about that, So you know, that kind

993
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: of stuff just comes up because it just does. I

994
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: just have no idea about certain things unless you're like,

995
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: really there And yeah, it was interesting to me.

996
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: What is doing a podcast helped me be black? Taught

997
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 2: you something about yourself that stand up probably couldn't have alone.

998
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I do think that it has taught me that

999
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: I am much more interested in being silly than I

1000
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: am and in trying to get deep sometimes. And it's

1001
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: hard when you're the host of a show because you

1002
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: want to maybe crack a joke when you should be

1003
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: asking a question. And I've gotten better about balancing it.

1004
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: I also have noticed that I feel sometimes like I

1005
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: am smarter on paper or in my thoughts than I

1006
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: am able to articulate in a moment. And sometimes I

1007
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: will be listening back to the podcast being like, oh,

1008
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: it sounds so stupid. This is not a smart guy.

1009
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: But I like, I feel like I am actually smart.

1010
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: But then I go on podcasts and try to talk

1011
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: about stuff and I'm like, oh, I don't know what

1012
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: this guy's saying. Wait, maybe you.

1013
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: Listen back to your podcast.

1014
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: No, not often, just sometimes for clips and stuff, and

1015
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: I go that could have been said better, but I whatever, Well, what.

1016
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: You missed was radio the original medium. It was a

1017
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: one and done. It didn't live on forever and infamy online.

1018
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: Therefore you never really had to worry about what you said.

1019
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: And then when the people would call and say they

1020
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: said something, and we had this thing called the Skimmer tape,

1021
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: was that happened to be broken. Every time someone wanted

1022
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 2: to hear what I said that they didn't like, Oh yeah,

1023
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: that thing, it's really old. It just broke.

1024
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1025
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, listening back, you hear something, someone said something

1026
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: funny and you were thinking of your next question. You

1027
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: didn't laugh, but you laughing because you're hearing back the podcast,

1028
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: and you're like, why didn't I laugh at that? I

1029
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: sound like an idiot.

1030
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: The thing of everything being super available too is that

1031
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: then you have to let go of a lot of

1032
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff as well, where you go, Yeah,

1033
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: everybody can be super critical of it now every moment,

1034
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: like I've had a couple of clips go out where

1035
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: something slightly fat actually incorrect was said in the setup

1036
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: to something and then it is, you know, kind of

1037
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: becomes a whole bit or whatever. And the people that

1038
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: and people online have gotten just so insane, has just

1039
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: taken the whole clip and just gotten so so upset

1040
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: about the technical factual inaccuracy of whatever. I'm like, this

1041
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: was such a small moment. And it's funny because let's

1042
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: say you're recorded the podcast you know, however many weeks ago,

1043
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: and that goes out and then there's that clip that

1044
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: happened for a couple of seconds in your brain and life,

1045
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: and you kind of whatever, and then people are seeing

1046
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: it and then they're getting really really mad and they're

1047
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: like commenting for days and days, and you go, that's

1048
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: just like kind of something I said for like a second,

1049
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying anything crazy offensive and I'm not

1050
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: like spreading this information. Also, back to the internet thing

1051
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: is people getting so angry and overly and about things

1052
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: because they're the consumer. This is the content. I have

1053
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: no emotional connection to who these people are. But at

1054
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it is like, well, I'm

1055
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: just a person talking, Like what, are you completely one

1056
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: percent correct about everything you say all the time? I

1057
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: don't think you are. So when you are kind of

1058
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: condemning who I am as an entire person based on

1059
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: something that was said, for to say and like a

1060
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: very small thing. It's not great, and I don't love that,

1061
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: and it's you sort of build up a bigger muscle

1062
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: for those things too, where you go, okay. So I

1063
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: guess I'm just getting better about not caring when it

1064
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: feels like everyone's mad at me, when I'm like, well,

1065
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: it's not really that good of a reason for everyone

1066
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: to be mad at me, so just we'll just move on.

1067
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, back in my day we used to call

1068
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 2: that bad press. But you know what, there isn't any

1069
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: bad press. So if they're talking about you, yeah, you've

1070
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: done something right.

1071
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: Exactly, even if they're saying it was wrong. Right. But

1072
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: it's also just an Instagram, Like it was just a

1073
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: couple of different clips that was just like in the comments,

1074
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh it was. It was funny because it

1075
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: was something that was small. Where we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the most recent one. We were talking about MLK and

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00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: Malcolm X and people of the day, and we were

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: just talking about how black haircut situations have changed, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of just basically said, well, like, yeah, like

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: MLK wasn't lined up, you know, which he wasn't. He

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't have like a fresh cut fade in the way

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: that we do now, and people got really mad. They

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00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: were like, no, he had a haircut, but and you

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: then you guys, and then you started coming in our

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00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: haircuts and like, you guys not lined up, you're not fresh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you think this is me

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: criticizing MLK, Like I'm just I was just saying haircuts

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00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: are different. This is different than it was. And then

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00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: so because that is, maybe that shouldn't in our brains

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: become so fundamental And the reason why you're getting upset

1091
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: is the same point that I'm making that it's like

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: this the situation is not like fundamental to who you

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01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: are necessarily and how black you are and what you

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01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: know all of this stuff. It was just funny that

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Speaker 1: that was sort of the point that I was making

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01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: and people took it such the wrong way because and

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01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: it's like, but well, you're kind of proving my point

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: because you're like, you just assume because I'm saying that

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01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't lined up, that that I'm saying what that

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Speaker 1: he what? What are you talking about? Anyway? What I

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: do like about the podcast is I don't have to

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01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: go around being like I know, I know everything. If

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01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know something, it's fine, and other people tell

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01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: me that I don't know it, and I go, yeah, okay,

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: well I'm learning.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a wonderful quality about you, Skyler. Is that

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Speaker 2: that you want to have these discussions and you want

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: to talk and you're not just a keyboard cowboy cowboy

1109
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: keyboard cowboy. Yeah No, I mean you. You want to

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: talk to people who have different opinions and different thoughts,

1111
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: and that's the most important thing to be able to

1112
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: grow and learn and understand who you are really m

1113
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: M and who everyone else is, which is probably impossible

1114
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: to figure out at this point. But so I just

1115
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: asked you a little fluffy question, and now I'm going

1116
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: to go in for the big one.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: This show is built around the idea that comedy can

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: be a lifeline and it can be very healing. Was

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Speaker 2: there a specific moment in your life where comedy genuinely

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: saved you or healed you or brought you back from

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Speaker 2: the brink?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a couple of moments like that.

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Speaker 1: I do think that me if I were to give

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Speaker 1: you the biggest easy answer but also a very true answer,

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Speaker 1: is that, like, how many save me from like going

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Speaker 1: on a Mormon mission and like being a Mormon and

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Speaker 1: saved me from the Mormon Church, which I would personally

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Speaker 1: consider a cult and got me. I me getting interested

1130
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: in comedy was to me listening to comedians talk about stuff.

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01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: There was big podcast, you know, and shout out to

1132
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: Pete Holmes and his podcast because it was all about

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: religion and sort of deconstructing that kind of stuff. And yes,

1134
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: my interest in comedy was sort of the avenue of

1135
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: exploring the world and thoughts out of Mormonism. And you know,

1136
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: you're kind of encouraged when you're Mormon to kind of

1137
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: be only focusing on Mormon stuff. They don't really want

1138
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: you reading a lot of other religious texts or thinking

1139
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: of finding out a lot about too many thoughts about what,

1140
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, other people are trying to say about Mormonism,

1141
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: and they go, well, a lot of that is specifically

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Speaker 1: anti Mormon kind of stuff, and it's they've designed it

1143
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: to make you doubt and it's kind of it's kind

1144
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: of gafflight y, and so it's and they yeah, it is,

1145
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: but they are also kind of tricky about the way

1146
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: they're saying it. To say, no, I'm saying that you shouldn't.

1147
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: But it's like they're also not actively encouraging it, at

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: least when I was growing up. And I don't imagine

1149
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: it's change that much. But getting into comedy and all

1150
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: that stuff, people were They're talking about all kinds of

1151
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: things and saying all kinds of things about how the

1152
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: world works. And it was just the same things that

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: were getting me into comedy were getting me out of

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01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 1: being a super religious Mormon person. And if I had

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: not found comedy, I probably would still have sort of,

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, gone on a Mormon mission, gotten married at

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01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: twenty two and all have done all this stuff. And

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad that's not all my life looks like wow?

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Speaker 2: And what do you want people to feel when they

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: leave one of your sets or finish an episode of

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: your podcast?

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: Uh, just that that guy's funny. My main things. My

1163
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: main things is, oh, that guy's funny. He should probably

1164
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: be more famous right now. Those are my kind of

1165
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: two where people go, Guys, that was really good and

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01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: I like that. And other than that, that's all I'm not.

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: If you have some revelatory moment in some way, sure,

1168
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: if you go wow, I never thought about that before.

1169
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: If you go whoa that made me change my life. Whatever,

1170
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm going for. I'm trying to do

1171
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: a very good, interesting form of the art form and

1172
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: think that it's art. I just want people at the

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: end of the day again into my stand up sets

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: and walking out going that was really funny, that was

1175
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: really good. We gotta look that guy up or whatever,

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: and at the end of the podcast, I would like, oh,

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01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: that was very funny, and then also, oh, that was informative.

1178
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, So the podcast maybe going for

1179
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more of informative then funny or just

1180
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: like interesting, but just yeah. I would like people to

1181
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: think for my stand up and if someone were to

1182
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: ask them, hey, was what you just saw, would you

1183
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: consider it art, and for them to just quickly say yes,

1184
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: because I think there is some stand up or versions

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01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: of comedy that you can watch where I go. I

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: don't feel that this is art, not that I'm approaching

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: it in a pretentious way, but at least in an

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: interesting enough way where people go okay, or and a

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: lot of people if they're not comics. I do want

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01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: people to feel like, oh, I I couldn't have done

1191
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: what he just did. I wouldn't know how to do that,

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: that is, but that's all.

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Speaker 2: That's huge though. I mean, I live vicariously through so

1194
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: many people and they have no idea. I love hanging

1195
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: out with them because like, I could never do that,

1196
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: I could never say that, and I love that you do.

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01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: Two more questions, shorties, but goodies. Number one, how important

1198
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: is it to laugh at yourself? And number two? What

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Speaker 2: is next for Skyler Higley? What is on deck? What

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: can fans be looking for?

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: How important is it to laugh at yourself? Very I

1202
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: laugh at myself all the time. I say jokes to

1203
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: myself that I think are stupid. I think of things

1204
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: all the time that I think it's very important to

1205
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: laugh at yourself. This whole idea of uh, you know

1206
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: not the comedians not laughing at themselves is I think,

1207
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: very stupid.

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01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: How can you be a comedian if you can't laugh

1209
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: at you? Like, I don't know how that's possible.

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: There's kind of this thing of like, oh, well, you're

1211
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: not supposed to like openly say you're funny or whatever.

1212
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: That's not No. I'm funny and I like it, and

1213
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: I funny and i I'm but it's also what sorry

1214
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: for enjoying myself. This is actually my only skill. I

1215
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: actually don't know how to do anything else really, So

1216
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: if I'm appreciating how I do this, then I think

1217
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: that's fine, because I know I'm not good at basically

1218
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: anything else. I love and that's cool. And as far

1219
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 1: as what's next, I have a couple projects that are

1220
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: going to be coming out that I'm working on. Working

1221
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: on a little thing with the Tim Heideker, an Info

1222
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: Wars thing because the Onion has bought Info Wars, so

1223
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: we're we're going in that direction with this new comedy platform.

1224
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: So I'm working on that. And there's another show that's

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: coming out on YouTube that I am going to be

1226
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: a head writer for, so check those out when you

1227
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: when those come out. What's going to I think I

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: can say about the I don't know if I can

1229
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: even say right now and then, and I don't know

1230
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: if I can say this either, but I am going

1231
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: to have a new stand up set coming out online

1232
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: on a platform that people have heard of, and I

1233
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if they want that announced yet either,

1234
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm interested in. And and well, we'll

1235
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: see what the rest of the year manifests into but

1236
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited with what's happening right now creatively, and uh,

1237
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what's what's next. There's always going

1238
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: to be a next thing, and sometimes you don't know

1239
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: what it.

1240
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: Is, no, but it keeps you smiling and keeps you

1241
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: motivated to keep moving forward. Skyler Hickley, it was so

1242
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: great to have you and all of your wisdom. Er,

1243
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing, Thank you story. And Skyler's podcast

1244
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 2: is let Me Be, Let Me be, help me be Black,

1245
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: Let me be Black, Help me Be Black. And it's

1246
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.

1247
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, everybody can get it.

1248
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: You can get it, get them, get you some okay

1249
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: of Skyler Hickley. Now, damn it. Thank you so much,

1250
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and good luck with everything coming up.

1251
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: And please I make you, I bet, And thanks for

1252
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 2: taking the time today. And also conan quick story. He

1253
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: used to live in a town that I'm in right

1254
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: now in Connecticut, and I didn't know and I moved

1255
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 2: here eighteen years ago. My cat died and my husband

1256
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: and I were extremely emotional and were like, so we

1257
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: bury her in the backyard, which I guess you're not

1258
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: supposed to do, but we did. And then we went

1259
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: to a diner and we sat down. I looked a mess.

1260
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 2: I couldn't have been worse he was. We're like crying

1261
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: and in walks Conan O'Brien and his kids and they

1262
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: sit in the booth right behind us. And I got

1263
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: to tell you, listening to him handle the kids and

1264
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: they were really young. This was like eighteen years ago.

1265
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: The way he used comedy to manage them was so

1266
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: amazing that it had me laughing, of course because we

1267
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: had to listen what was going on the booth behind us.

1268
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 2: But it just got me out of my doldrums. And

1269
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: he's really one of the best of the best. So yeah,

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: I know you don't get into this, but if you

1271
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: see him, just to you know, give him a hug

1272
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: for me.

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01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will. Well, if he allows me to hug,

1274
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: that might be weird, but okay that I was gonna say.

1275
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: It could be weird anyway. Thank you and thanks for

1276
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 2: that laugh.

1277
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me.

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: I'm buzz night, and thanks for listening to Comedy Save

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 5: Me with Lynn Hoffman, and do check out our other podcast,

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:14,040
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