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Speaker 3: Hello and Happy Friday. It's The Herd. Colin Coward is

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Speaker 3: out of town for the day, so you got a

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Speaker 3: special treat me. Jason McIntyre joined by the immortal Rachel Nichols,

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Speaker 3: we will bring the noise in the funk on a

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Speaker 3: beautiful Friday out here in Los Angeles. Divisional weekend. To

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Speaker 3: Rachel Nichols, I.

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Speaker 4: Know you're fired up.

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Speaker 5: Favorite weekend of the year, and this is the best

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Speaker 5: playoff weekend in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm hopeful that we get some good games. We

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Speaker 3: don't have all the great quarterbacks right, but maybe you

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Speaker 3: know your Washington team was here.

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Speaker 4: You remember they smashed Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, we got a great, great show today. Greg

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Speaker 3: Jennings one of my favorites. He's stopping by. I wonder

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Speaker 3: if we'll talk about the Packers at all. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe possibly. And then of course Chris Philka to Ron Armstead,

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Speaker 3: we got a great show. But I want to start

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen with first impressions.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure your parents.

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Speaker 3: Told you at some point. Oh, first impressions are everything.

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Speaker 3: Gotta have the firm handshake, got to make the eye contact. Well.

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Speaker 3: I remember my first impression of Los Angeles a decade ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, the wife and I we come out here

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Speaker 3: to check out Los Angeles, see if we're gonna move

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Speaker 3: out here. And Colin and his wife showed us out night,

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Speaker 3: really nice dinner, seventy degrees, the sunset, the South Bay.

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Speaker 3: It was incredible. First impression of Los Angeles. We're here,

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Speaker 3: we gotta go sold I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 3: the first impression of Sam Darnold. You guys surely remember

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Speaker 3: where he started his NFL career, right. I was with

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Speaker 3: my New York Jets. I have not forgotten this game.

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Speaker 3: I remember it fondly. Monday Night football, Sammy Darnold and

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Speaker 3: the Jets go to Detroit and Sam Donald throws up

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Speaker 3: pick six on his first NFL pass.

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Speaker 3: I was playing basketball, and I'm like, guys, I got

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Speaker 3: a bail early Sam donald debut. You know, there's a

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Speaker 3: big game my Jets, Monday Night Football, and there's all

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Speaker 3: these USC fans watching the game, and it was pure laughter. Oh,

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Speaker 3: here we go again with the Jets. And that was

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Speaker 3: kind of the start of a rough go for Sam

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Speaker 3: six on their first career pass. They did win the game,

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Speaker 3: but nobody remembers that they won the pick six.

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Speaker 4: That's all they remember.

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Speaker 3: And the next year, Sam Donald is seeing ghosts in

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Speaker 3: the pocket, famously on Monday Night Football in a thirty

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Speaker 3: three nothing beat down against the Patriots. And I'm of

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Speaker 3: the belief that Sam Donald is under so much pressure

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Speaker 3: this weekend and in these playoffs because of that first impression.

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Speaker 4: It was so bad.

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Speaker 3: He's run out of New York. He's in Carolina, Okay,

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Speaker 3: trying to rehab the image. Then he goes and sits

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Speaker 3: in San fran Now he's found a home in Seattle,

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Speaker 3: and folks, let's be real, Arnald appears to.

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Speaker 4: Be a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I got hit with a fun fact in the morning

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Speaker 3: meeting today, Sam Donald zero career playoff wins. I was

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Speaker 3: blown away I was like, wait a minute. All I've

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Speaker 3: heard Collins say all week is that you know who

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Speaker 4: Really nothing.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's impression of Sam Donald's is going

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Speaker 3: to change unless he wins the Super Bowl, beating Sam

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Speaker 3: Fran come on their touchdown favorites.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about this obleak injury now.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Donald addressed the game yesterday apparently kind of a

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Speaker 3: Oh the excuse is here we go, here's Donald talking

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Speaker 6: I think for us, we're treating it, you know, just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is funny. They are the favorites to win

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. They're the number one seed and their

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Speaker 4: That's staggering.

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Speaker 3: And then you look at the other side of the

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Speaker 3: coin and he's facing Rock Purty, My guy, Rock Purty.

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Speaker 3: You know I love to cape up for him. Well, Jay,

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Speaker 3: He won like every game he started in the first

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Speaker 3: Eagles in the playoff game, he gets hurt on the

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Speaker 4: Like, okay, TBD. Next season they go.

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Speaker 3: To the Super Bowl, he takes the lead in overtime

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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, folks, how about this stat You know who

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Speaker 3: had the best record against the spread gambling this year?

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Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks. Why because nobody believes in Sam Darnald. They're

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Speaker 3: laying points. I can't lay points to Sam Donald. Folks

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Speaker 3: when they walk. When that game kicks off, everybody in

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Speaker 3: the stadium knows the deal. Shanahan and Purty are gonna cook.

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Speaker 3: The Seattle defense is really good. We know what JSN

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Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker. That duo's nasty. Is Sam Donald gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to win us the football game? And that's why

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Speaker 3: I think he's under more pressure than Josh Allen this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Allen has established himself as an MVP

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Speaker 4: Sam Donald doesn't have a playoff win.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the moment he throws an interception in this one.

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Speaker 3: Remember that Rams Thursday Night game, Remember.

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Speaker 4: How bad he was.

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Speaker 3: They get bailed out by the special teams luck box

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Speaker 3: two point conversion. Nobody credits that game to Sam Donald.

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Speaker 3: I mean we're at the point and again, Sam Donald's

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Speaker 3: a nice guy I met up with the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: a few years ago, really talented quarterback. But the reality is,

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Speaker 3: Dilfer in a thirty three to ten victory. That's not

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Speaker 3: going to cut it. Sam Donald needs to get the

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Speaker 3: ball fourth quarter trailing, like Caleb Williams has done a

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Speaker 3: billion times this year, go.

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Speaker 4: Down the field and get to win.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's going to take, I believe for Donald

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Speaker 3: to exercise the ghosts. And here's Brady on Donald needing

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Speaker 3: to be aggressive in this one.

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Speaker 7: When you get to these big moments in big games,

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Speaker 7: whether that's you know, certainly playoffs or some of these

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Speaker 7: whether going to get in or not. The margin of

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Speaker 7: air when you play good teams is just very small.

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Speaker 7: So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,

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Speaker 7: you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,

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Speaker 7: and if you throw it accurately make a decisions, You're

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Speaker 7: not going to throw a lot of interceptions. It's over time.

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Speaker 7: You need to refine your techniques so that when you

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Speaker 3: It's a tall order for Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: but they're big favorites. Be careful, all right. I want

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Speaker 3: to pivot to another game. This weekend with an embattled quarterback,

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Speaker 3: a big enough deal of this game. Right here, we're

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Speaker 3: talking about Josh Allen in Denver. Buffalo is favored. Now

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Speaker 3: they're slight underdogs, and it feels like a crossroads game

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Speaker 3: for Josh Allen. I do believe he's the best quarterback

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Speaker 3: That'll be Stafford or Drake May. But Josh Allen has

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Speaker 3: the ability to put a team on his back, win

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Speaker 3: the game with his legs or with his arms, and

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Speaker 3: carry Buffalo to greatness. A lot of people, myself included,

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Speaker 3: had Buffalo winning the Super Bowl this year? Can Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen pull that off? And it's kind of a big

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Speaker 4: But let's be real.

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Speaker 3: They got eight of their twenty two starters or free agents,

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Speaker 3: this is a crossroads game. I do want to point

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Speaker 3: know he doesn't miss starts because he's a cyboard and

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Speaker 3: you can't hurt Josh Allen. He's getting banged up. And

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Speaker 3: to draw a parallel to another big, strapping quarterback who

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Speaker 4: That's a rap. It was basically over for him.

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Speaker 3: These big quarterbacks who take a pounding, they're not meant

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Speaker 3: to be fifteen year franchise quarterbacks. They don't last. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you look at Lamar Jackson, Guy's had an amazing career

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Speaker 3: don't know what the future holds for Lamar Jackson, who's

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Speaker 3: who got to the Super Bowl in year two. Then

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Speaker 3: the AFC Championship can't get back to the playoffs. And

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Speaker 3: I do believe that if Buffalo doesn't break through Denver here, folks,

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Speaker 3: we could be looking at them being the next team

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Speaker 3: that pull back in the AFC. Similar to Kansas City,

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Speaker 3: the final eight quarterbacks right left in the playoffs, Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen and Matt Stafford are the only.

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Speaker 4: Two with cap hits in the top fifteen in the league.

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Speaker 3: Paying your quarterback what he's worth an exorbitant sum makes

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Speaker 3: it difficult to build around him. And you go, look

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Speaker 3: at that receiving core, Folks, going into this game against Denver,

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Speaker 4: You go look at all the matchups in.

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Speaker 3: This Denver Buffalo showdown, Folks, Buffalo has him in one spot.

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Speaker 3: That's it, and that's Josh Allen. You could argue James Cook,

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Speaker 3: but the Denver run defense is so good that Cook

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Speaker 3: could have some problems. I think Denver gave up one

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Speaker 3: one hundred yard rusher all season, Jonathan Taylor. So now

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Speaker 3: it's basically Josh Cook against the world. And I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to draw parallels. I keep coming back to early Lebron

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Speaker 3: being there and they got smoked. Essentially, that's what Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: Top of next hour, we will rank the remaining quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: they're luck boxing their way into a billion victories, some

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Speaker 3: but all this has led to some beef simmering beef

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of NBA pettiness out there.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if we actually have the clip

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Speaker 11: There's a rivalry that exists between these two teams, something

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Speaker 11: And yeah, I mean there's I just I don't like

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what I don't like that team.

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Speaker 3: None of the reporters pressed him. It's like, why do

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he was muttering something under his breath.

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Speaker 4: Lafleur didn't like it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know who else didn't like it? Laflour's buddy,

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Speaker 3: mister Sean McVay. Yes, how about this, folks, dating back

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Speaker 3: to the twenty twelve Washington At the time, they were

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Speaker 3: is the all time coaching staff, right, So Mike Shanahan

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Speaker 3: So it was Kyle Shanahan, Matt Lafleur, Mike McDaniel, Sean McVeigh.

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Speaker 3: They made their chops that season, with RG three doing

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Speaker 3: some incredible stuff as a rookie. They ended up losing

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Speaker 3: it by Mike Silver. How that crew kind of got

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Speaker 3: together and they are now part of the Shanahan coaching tree.

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Speaker 3: They've all branched off and had varying levels of success.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan is an elite coach. I don't care what

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Speaker 4: Okay, we know. Mcveigh's been to two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: He won one. Mike McDaniel didn't quite break through yet,

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Speaker 3: but he did get the genius tag.

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Speaker 4: I think when he hung set on the Broncos a

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Speaker 3: And then there's the floor who's won a lot of

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Speaker 4: Those guys are a crew.

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Speaker 3: Okay, some of you who followed tech have heard of

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Speaker 3: the PayPal mafia, right, Peter t o Elon Musk. You

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Speaker 3: got this this famous crew who got together. They were

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Speaker 3: you know, masters of the Universe, billionaires. There is like

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Speaker 4: These guys are a crew, a posse.

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Speaker 3: When you see them at the owners meetings, they're all

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Speaker 4: They're a crew.

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Speaker 3: Well, Ben Johnson and I'm guessing here, but Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 4: Oh those guys are good. Well, really, look what I

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Speaker 3: I took Detroit and that offense from nothing, and we

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Speaker 4: We were right there. Like I've done a lot, Why

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Speaker 3: Keep having it here about Lafleur and Shanahan, Daniel and

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Speaker 3: McVeigh scoo those guys, Well, it's pretty clear that word

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Speaker 4: A I don't want to say that word on TV.

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Speaker 3: Here's McVeigh when asked about it this week.

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Speaker 5: Batler obviously began Grevey and I understand.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's great, said Johnson three times.

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Speaker 3: Year, Yeah, what'd you guess?

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Speaker 3: You know what, We watched the tape. We do our work,

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Speaker 3: If you're listening on the radio, McVeigh, he's a close

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Speaker 3: you can you work them this weekend? Can you drop

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Speaker 3: a fifty burger on them? And it's it's kind of like, listen, man,

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Speaker 3: in this industry is sports media. It's less about what

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Speaker 3: kind and I got to get in with the right people.

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Speaker 3: One of our staffers had a great analogy. He's like,

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Speaker 3: are you a star? Wars fan j Mac I was,

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Speaker 3: of course, like Ben Johnson. You could argue he's Anakin Skywalker.

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Speaker 3: He was the chosen one. He was supposed to lead

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Speaker 3: the Jedis and he went to the dark side. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Ben Johnson's gone full Anakin yet,

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Speaker 3: but he's pretty clearly alienating himself on an island. And

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Speaker 3: you know, no man is an island. You cannot win

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Speaker 3: that way long term. When you're winning and running hot,

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Speaker 3: they love you. You're a genius. You've built culture and

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Speaker 3: right now Ben Johnson's got all of that. Well, you

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Speaker 3: know who else had that, right, Mike McDaniel had that

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Speaker 3: in Miami. Oh, Mike mcdann offense. Look at this, Wow,

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Speaker 3: he got to the playoffs with two.

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Speaker 4: Bryan Floras hate each other.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here? Mcdagill's a genius. We get this

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Speaker 3: tag a lot Zach Taylor goes to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: year two, Well there's a McVeigh. Guy.

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Speaker 4: Come on, guy should be out of a job.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how he's still coaching the Bagels, but

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson has basically set it to the league. I

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Speaker 3: don't care, don't I don't I don't need nobody. I'll

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Speaker 3: take all of y'all on. You know, I remember a

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Speaker 3: couple of my buddies. You have a couple too many

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Speaker 3: to drink in college, You get into it, say something

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Speaker 3: to the wrong girl, and next thing you know, you

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Speaker 3: guys not smart and I feel like Ben Johnson maybe

435
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Speaker 3: picking a bad battle here.

436
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Speaker 4: But we'll see this weekend. I can't wait for the drama.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, turn.

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Speaker 4: On the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 8: The story makes me smile. Jason, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: As a commanders then obviously Washington, you know you have

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Speaker 3: a rich history with them.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, No, I'm talking about the Dodgers story. I'm

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Speaker 8: about to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: Although don't forgets about your last one, Michael Floor. I

447
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Speaker 5: mean you know that he's the offensive coordinator for the Rams. Yes,

448
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Speaker 5: so there's beef all over the place. Yeah, anyway, all right,

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Speaker 5: let's talk about the story making me smile right now,

450
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Speaker 5: the Dodgers and right fielder Kyle Tucker agreeing to a

451
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Speaker 5: four year, two hundred and forty million dollar deal. Tucker

452
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Speaker 5: one of the most sought after free agents this offseason.

453
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Speaker 5: The rest of baseball Jason up in arms as the

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Speaker 5: Dodgers had another expensive bat to the lineup.

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Speaker 8: What is your take on this?

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Speaker 3: Geez uh, listen. I'm I'm of the beliefs like these

457
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Speaker 3: are the rules, there's no salary cap, spend whatever you want,

458
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Speaker 3: go get everybody, and that the Dodgers are doing that,

459
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Speaker 3: and I'm surprised personally that the rest of the league

460
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Speaker 3: is not annoyed. In the NBA, you know this, when

461
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Speaker 3: teams get dynasties and the small markets start losing their guys,

462
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Speaker 3: they all band together and push back. And like, I'm

463
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Speaker 3: surprised baseball is just cool with this. Look at this roster.

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Speaker 3: This is insane.

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Speaker 8: Well, the other teams aren't cool with it. Baseball might

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Speaker 8: be cool with it, but there's definitely been grumbling. That's

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Speaker 8: my point. There's this is another.

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Speaker 5: Round of Oh, the Dodgers are just buying their way

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Speaker 5: to a title, and you know, look, my take is

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Speaker 5: the same as yours. Right, it's in the rules. Obviously

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Speaker 5: I'm a little biased Dodgers, but also by the way

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Speaker 5: Mark Walter, who owns the Dodgers, not the richest.

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Speaker 8: Man in baseball?

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Speaker 3: Who's the richest gid Steve Cohen from Yeah, they play

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Speaker 3: that last in fashion.

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Speaker 5: In fact, Steve Cohen's net worth is three times that

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Speaker 5: of Mark Walters. Now I'm not I don't count people's

478
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Speaker 5: other people's money unless you're a billionaire. Because you know,

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Speaker 5: right were they waiting for Tucker? The Mets they were

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Speaker 5: in the running?

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Speaker 4: Get what are you going to do?

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Speaker 3: You tried, right, like would Tucker want to go to

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Speaker 3: the Mets, who you know aren't great? Or the Dodgers

484
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Speaker 3: who are a potential dynasty.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Mett's Blue Jays. I think we're in the mix

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Speaker 8: for Tucker.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, he's had some injuries, right, there's some

488
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Speaker 5: questions about that. There's a couple opt outs in this deal,

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Speaker 5: which is unusual. People expected him to go for like

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Speaker 5: a ten eleven year deal security instead, you know, with

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Speaker 5: his injury history, especially in dead he went for this

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Speaker 5: sort of shorter term blockbuster deal, bet on himself a

493
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Speaker 5: little bit, and the Dodger's betting on him also.

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Speaker 8: I mean they've had a great offseason, so.

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Speaker 3: The Blue Jay's done much. Is it going to be

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Speaker 3: competitive this year at all?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is there who would be the second best team to

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Speaker 4: the Dodger.

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Speaker 5: Who yeah, asking me it's not going to be competitive

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Speaker 5: at all?

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, I don't I mean, star power and

503
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Speaker 3: dynasties really work in sports.

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Speaker 4: You either hate the Dodgers or you love them right now.

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Speaker 5: Well, here's what I like about the way this has

506
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Speaker 5: been going is that, I mean, in addition to of

507
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Speaker 5: course the wins, but the idea that Mark Walter is

508
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Speaker 5: investing back in the team. They have made so much

509
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Speaker 5: money off of shohe Atani and all of the endorsements

510
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Speaker 5: and sales and merchandise and everything that's come in. They've

511
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Speaker 5: not only already made back Otani's salary, it is allowing

512
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Speaker 5: them to do things like this because he's putting all

513
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Speaker 5: of that money back into the team. People around him

514
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Speaker 5: say that he's basically looking at hey, this team is hot.

515
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Speaker 5: Why would you not invest in back them all the way?

516
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Speaker 5: Because it's not always going to be like this. There's

517
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Speaker 5: a blockout or strike coming in baseball down the road possibly.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's an idea of this team is so

519
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Speaker 5: good you throw everything at it and you deal with

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Speaker 5: the consequences later. And we've criticized right the Cleveland Cavaliers

521
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Speaker 5: didn't do that with Lebron. You know the Warriors right

522
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Speaker 5: now aren't doing that with Steph Curry. Are There are

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Speaker 5: teams and people like sho Hey Otani where you got him?

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Speaker 5: You throw every single dollar you have.

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Speaker 3: Do you think there will be a salary cap in

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Speaker 3: baseball eventually? Or no?

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Speaker 8: I don't think so that's gay.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: The worst teams are just bottom.

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Speaker 3: Feeders, as almost serving as Triple A clubs for the elites,

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Speaker 3: right and the rich teams that want.

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Speaker 8: To spend again, not the right person to complain too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be good.

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Speaker 4: Rachel nice, there you go.

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean, you know, as I said, I grew

536
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Speaker 5: up a Wizards fans. I gotta take it where I

537
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Speaker 5: can get it. Yeah, let's move on. Patrick Mahomes suffered

538
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Speaker 5: that brutal knee injury in Week fifteen, but he is

539
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Speaker 5: feeling good about it as we have so far. The

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Speaker 5: Chiefs quarterback says he's attacking the process. Jason, He says

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Speaker 5: he's excited about it.

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Speaker 8: Listen.

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Speaker 12: I want to be ready for week one. Our doctor

544
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Speaker 12: said that I could be, but I can't predict what's

545
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Speaker 12: going to happen throughout the process. But that's my goal,

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Speaker 12: and so I'll try to prepare myself be ready to

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Speaker 12: play in that week one and have no restrictions. You know,

548
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Speaker 12: you want to be out there healthy and giving us

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Speaker 12: the best chance to win. And so obviously, so I

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Speaker 12: hopefully be able to do some some stuff in OTA's

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Speaker 12: and then get to training camp and hopefully be able

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Speaker 12: to do a lot there. So I'm excited for the process.

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Speaker 12: It's a long process, but I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 5: I love that last couple of sentences, right, He's excited

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Speaker 5: for the process.

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Speaker 8: He's only only it didn't seem.

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Speaker 5: So much as like OH athletes speak. He is clearly

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Speaker 5: treating this as he would the season. What's the week

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Speaker 5: one progress, what's the week two progress? I'm excited about

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Speaker 5: He's kind of looking at this as its own season

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Speaker 5: before he gets to As he said, he wants to

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Speaker 5: come back week one.

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Speaker 8: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: No shot?

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Speaker 8: No shot, no way?

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Speaker 3: Why you rushed back? He's young?

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Speaker 8: Is that rushing though?

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Speaker 3: I mean in ACL, you think that quick turnaround?

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Speaker 5: I mean nine months is sort of the ballpark for

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Speaker 5: an ACL.

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Speaker 8: Some go longer, some go shorter.

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Speaker 5: So he got injured on December fourteenth, Okay, so that's

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Speaker 5: September fourteenth. Quickly, you're going, yeah, if you're going for

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Speaker 5: the nine months, I mean the season starts September tenth,

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Speaker 5: and they're not going to be the opening game.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know. I don't think it's so crazy.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it is rough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would error on the side of caution. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's got a long career ahead of him. Now. I

580
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Speaker 3: don't know the recurrence of ACL injuries after you get one.

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Speaker 4: But I'm more worried.

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Speaker 3: About the team, Like, what are they going to look like?

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Speaker 3: I saw a PFF wrote an article like the roster

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Speaker 3: is going to be better.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, how all they're doing is losing people?

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Speaker 9: Wow?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, with Mahomes out, it gives them a

588
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Speaker 5: chance to really evaluate how much is him covering for

589
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Speaker 5: everyone else?

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Speaker 8: And where do they need to improve?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where's Travis Kelcey?

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Speaker 8: Is he coming back contemplating?

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Speaker 3: Oh he's playing a wedding. I forgot a big run?

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Speaker 3: I mean, was she Rice stays in the news and

596
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Speaker 3: we're not gonna talk about that. The running back situation

597
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Speaker 3: is starbage. The offensive line they.

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Speaker 4: Got a lot.

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Speaker 3: I know, we know what Mahomes are gonna do when

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Speaker 3: he's back. Yeah, But to my point earlier about Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: it's like you think Josh Allen's indestructible. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: thought Mahomes was indestructible. He's just a warrior, plays through everything,

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Speaker 3: and now he's hurting out nine months, Like, is he

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Speaker 3: gonna be what he was before? Like physically running because

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Speaker 3: that was one of his big wins, just being able

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Speaker 3: to leude defenders in the pocket.

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Speaker 5: Like it's not full proof, but if you start your

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Speaker 5: team with one of the best quarterbacks, you automatically have

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Speaker 5: an advantage.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL. Do you remember I think you were here.

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Speaker 8: I was here.

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Speaker 5: You were like, the Chiefs aren't making the playoffs. Youis

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Speaker 5: aren't making the playoffs, And I was like, come on, man,

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Speaker 5: they're gonna I don't think they're making the super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: but they're gonna have to make the playoffs. And I

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Speaker 5: totally a couple you were fortunate they happen.

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Speaker 3: To lose every close game. But I'm I want to

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Speaker 3: see what they do with the roster because I'm wronging

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Speaker 3: a double down. I don't you see the AFC Rich

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Speaker 3: it's loaded. Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Almost the Chiefs are getting back the playoffs next year. Seriously,

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Speaker 3: well man again again, we'll see. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: Lamar has an upook climb as well.

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Speaker 5: I want to I want to see the rosters where

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Speaker 5: we actually go in on opening day. Before I start

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Speaker 5: arguing with you all that, Let's talk about the Chargers too.

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Speaker 8: They fired O C.

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Speaker 5: Greg Roman after that sixteen to three beating in the

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Speaker 5: wildcard round. Jim Harbass said it was a tough decision

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Speaker 5: to make, but when he had to do to get

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Speaker 5: the offense going in the right direction.

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Speaker 8: Take a listen.

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Speaker 10: He'son an organization need to need a fresh start, stimulate

635
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Speaker 10: a new direction. Justin's toal Justin's ability, you know, I

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Speaker 10: have no no questions about that winner all the way.

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Speaker 10: And yeah to our responsibility to UH to get up

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Speaker 10: to his level, and that's we are continually striving to

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Speaker 10: do that.

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Speaker 5: This is a big deal for Jim Harbaugh because Greg

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Speaker 5: Roman has been with him stop after stop.

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Speaker 8: This is someone he was very close to. But the

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Speaker 8: numbers are the numbers.

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Speaker 5: Jason twelve points total in the two wildcard games since

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Speaker 5: Roman has been the coordinator. In fact, not only was

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Speaker 5: it only three points in this game, only one touchdown

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Speaker 5: in those two games, and one of them the touchdown

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Speaker 5: was eighty six yards, so it was just, you know,

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Speaker 5: a throw. You have to look, though, there's other OC

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Speaker 5: jobs around the league. Do you think where do you

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Speaker 5: think this Chargers job ranks in terms.

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Speaker 8: Of oh, that's what the what the best openings are.

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Speaker 3: It's funny once you said Roman was with Harball, so

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Speaker 3: he was with him at Stanford, with him with the Niners. Yes,

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Speaker 3: then went to John Harbaugh, which, by the way, I

656
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Speaker 3: mean devastating.

657
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 8: Roman could still get a job with the Giants.

658
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 5: You know, not, I don't think it's the OC, but

659
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 5: as some sort of coach, is tough family friend obviously, Yes.

660
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: So offensively, this is a great job.

661
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: So it's interesting.

662
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: You could either hire like a hot shot, up and

663
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: coming dude, or you could be like, hey, Mike McDaniel,

664
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: why don't you come here, get us a couple of

665
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: playoff wins? Do you work your magic? Brian Dabel. Dabel

666
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: or McDaniel would rehab their image instantly with Justin Herbert, right, you.

667
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 8: Think McDaniel needs to rehab his image.

668
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: I personally think he should take the Atlanta job. But

669
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: he came off like he can't command, you know, they

670
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: can't command to locker room, not a not a former player,

671
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: that kind of nonsense.

672
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 8: We'll talk about that later in the show.

673
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: But I like McDaniel a lot. What about Cliff Kingsboy?

674
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I want to read you the

675
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 5: open jobs though, because I want to say if you

676
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: are like where you take this right?

677
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 8: If you're one of these guys.

678
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 5: So you've got the bucks obviously, Baker Mayfield, the Chargers,

679
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 5: you know, Herbert Eagles, Jalen Hurts another discussion about him

680
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: in the meeting this morning. Lion's Jarret Goff and the Raiders.

681
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: Of course we'll get that draft pick.

682
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: Oh that's tough because the golf job is good.

683
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 8: Golf job is good when you would go Herbert you okay,

684
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 8: that's the thing.

685
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: When you fire your whoever you have, whatever kind of

686
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 5: coach you have for the job, you have to think

687
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: about am I going to get someone better?

688
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 8: Right?

689
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 5: How attractive is this job? I think it's pretty attractive,

690
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 5: So your chances of getting someone better are pretty high.

691
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: So the only problem with the Eagles job is, Siriani,

692
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: if they flop. Next year he's gone and your toast

693
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: and then you're out. So I don't think Harball's going anywhere.

694
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: They love him. Yeah, I think the Herbert job probably

695
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 3: the best oc job out there.

696
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 8: Right, Okay, what we'll see, all right, Rachel with the news.

697
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

698
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Speaker 2: Herd Line News all.

699
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Right, Philadelphia. I can't tell if it's a coaching problem

700
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: or a star problem. We'll address that next year on

701
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: the Herd.

702
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

703
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: in neon Eastern not a im Pacific Tomorrow on Fox.

704
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: After de throwning the defending champs, Christian McCaffrey leads the

705
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 5: Niners against Sam Darnold in the top seeded Seahawks the

706
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: Divisional Round playoffs, presented by Intuit Turbbo Tax Tomorrow, seven

707
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: thirty Eastern, four thirty pacifics on Fox.

708
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Speaker 3: Big Game, Bang Bang, Niner Gang. I comment of a

709
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: Niners fan, now, guys, I don't know it's a brock

710
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: party thing. Interestingly, Niners took down the Eagles last weekend,

711
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: and I was way wrong about that. I lost money

712
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: on the Eagles. I had Eagles futures. I thought they

713
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: could go back to back.

714
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they won the Super Bowl last year, that victory

715
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: over the Chiefs.

716
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm still beaming from the smashing of Kansas City. But

717
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: the Eagles are at a weird spot. Man, This is

718
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: so wacky. I don't really know what to make of it.

719
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: So I'm sure you guys saw Eagles Niners on the sideline.

720
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: There was an incident with like twelve guys on the field.

721
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: AJ Brown and Sirianni kind of sort of get into.

722
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 8: A dust up.

723
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: Here it is, we got video of it.

724
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: You see AJ Brown and then you see is that

725
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: big domb separating AJ Brown. You don't separate him if

726
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: they're having a discussion. And then you know, Sirianni comes

727
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: back like I'm not done with you, and it's like

728
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: that is not healthy. This is a toxic relationship. Oka

729
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: at that AJ Brown practically getting in his face.

730
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: That's not good.

731
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 9: Now.

732
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: That was kind of an underplayed story, but the media

733
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: was asking about it this week. So Howie Roseman widely

734
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: considered one of the top three gms.

735
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 4: In the league.

736
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Howie Roseman took to the mic and here's what

737
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: he had to say.

738
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Speaker 13: It is hard to find great players in the NFL,

739
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 13: and AJ's a great player. I think from my perspective,

740
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 13: that's what we're going out and looking for when we

741
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 13: go out here in free agency in the draft is

742
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 13: trying to find great players who love football, and he's

743
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 13: that guy.

744
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: All Right, I'm gonna turn back the clock a little bit.

745
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: So when Chip Kelly got to the Eagles, he got

746
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: in beef with Howie Roseman, and I'll never forget it

747
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: because at the time I was writing for this website

748
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: that I created, and I was all in team chip Kelly.

749
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: I saw what he did at Oregon. What does Howie

750
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: Roseman know? What? Come on? I think even Chip Kelly,

751
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quoted as saying it, but

752
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: he's like, that's not a football guy. He like moved

753
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: Howie Rosen's office out of the football building. It was ugly,

754
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: and I was team chip Kelly. I was wrong, way wrong.

755
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: Howie Roseman has done a phenomenal job building the Eagles

756
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: the last five years. And I read a quote this

757
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: week the willingness to change your mind is the ultimate

758
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: sign of intelligence. Yes, I'm saying you know what, that's

759
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do that. A lot of people are

760
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: wedded to their opinions and they're not coming off of Hey,

761
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: I see this. I don't care what you say. That's

762
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: what I see. No, you gotta be smarter than that

763
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: and change your opinion. I've changed my opinion on AJ Brown.

764
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: Okay when the Eagles traded for him. When they got him,

765
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: I was like, this is amazing. He's the greatest thing ever.

766
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: They go to the Super Bowl, lose to the Chiefs

767
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: in a great game. Jalen Hurts was phenomenal. They nearly

768
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: pulled that off. They get to another Super Bowl and

769
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: win it with it. So AJ Brown's in Philly. They

770
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: go to two super Bowls? What's not to love? The

771
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: relationship has gone sour. I'm now officially done. And then

772
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: people are saying, well, is it.

773
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: An AJ Brown problem or is it a coaching problem?

774
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: And that's kind of an interesting one because you know,

775
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: when things are running hot, like with Ben Johnson in Chicago,

776
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: everything's fine, everybody's happy. Kumbai Ya Fish is wonderful. Hey,

777
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: remember in training camp for the Bears, things were not awesome.

778
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: Dj Moore was unhappy Caleb and Ben. There was friction.

779
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: It was tough, they got through it. Everything's fine. Now

780
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: they're winning. Everything's amazing. So the Eagles get upset by

781
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: the Niners, and the finger pointing is beginning.

782
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 4: AJ Brown's a problem. Get him out.

783
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: Well, they don't have an OC. Well, that's because Jalen

784
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: Hurts can't do Jalen Hurts, You're the problem. What about Siriani?

785
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: How is he somehow escaping blame for this? One of

786
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: the big problems in Philly, I believe, is the offensive

787
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: coordinator situation. Five offensive coordinators in six years. How is

788
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: that sustainable? You cannot win consistently when you're changing your

789
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: offensive playbook every year. Now two of them were home

790
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: run Shane Siken, who's with the Colts now, and Kellen

791
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: Moore who was the guy last year when they won

792
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. And Kellen Moore had a pretty good year,

793
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: beat all Vegas numbers for the Saints. They finished strong.

794
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: They feel good about their team.

795
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: The ones that.

796
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: Didn't work this year's guy, the guy in between more

797
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: and Stich and I think Brian Johnson was his name.

798
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: Those were terrible. Those guys are not going to be

799
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: play callers anytime soon.

800
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: So what is the issue?

801
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: And I started looking at you know the situation for

802
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: AJ Brown. I'm like, oh, AJ Brown turns twenty nine

803
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: year this summer. Hmm, okay, let me take a look

804
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: at the free agent wide receivers. Oh, there are some

805
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: good ones out there, Mike Evans. I doubt he'd leave Tampa,

806
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: But hey, you want to you want to play for

807
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: a contender, you want to try to win your division.

808
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: Rashid Shahed can you can?

809
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: Rashid Shahed give you sixty five percent of AJ Brown?

810
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way he plays special teams. Shahed

811
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: has been pretty damn good for the Seahawks. Uh, Hollywood, Brown,

812
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: don't love him. Always hurt this guy like Juwan Jennings,

813
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: he goes know him pretty well. Just throw a touchdown

814
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: pass against him and then Wandale Robinson, young guy for

815
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: the Giants. Not an amazing group. AJ Brown's better than

816
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: all of them. But AJ Brown is clearly toxic in

817
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: the locker room. Does he have beef with Hurts? Hurts

818
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: is saying the right things. He clearly has beef with Sirianni.

819
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 3: He's reading books on the sideline. I think the Eagles

820
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: have an AJ Brown problem and the Sirianni problem.

821
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 4: Free solution you trade.

822
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: AJ Brown, you get whatever the hell you can.

823
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 4: I like what Howie Roseman said.

824
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: I was very political about it, about how hey, he's

825
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: a great player.

826
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: It's tough to find great players.

827
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: Come on, Seahawks draft JSN and in a year, literally

828
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: one year, they trade dk Metcalf. Jsn's their number one,

829
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: and he's like a top two receiver in the league.

830
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 4: He might win off.

831
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: It'sive player of the year. Like you can find receivers.

832
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: So here's my pie in the sky for Eagles. Quick solution, Rachel,

833
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: you go weigh in.

834
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: You may not like this.

835
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: I would get off Aj Brown, draft a receiver, find

836
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: somebody a free agency. If that doesn't fix things, I'm

837
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: booting Siriani next year.

838
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: And here's my target. Are you ready?

839
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: Rachel?

840
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: Kad my guy Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. So I

841
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: know everybody loves Marcus Freeman. They quietly change some things.

842
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: They're now accepting regular transfers, not just grad transfers. Brian

843
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: Kelly tried that they wouldn't let him. They're doing that

844
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: for Freeman because they know he's in high, high demand.

845
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: Freeman's got a stud quarterback CJ. Carr Lloyd Carr's grandson.

846
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: And I think if they win the title or go

847
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: to the playoff, there's a chance Freeman leaves and goes

848
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: to the NFL. That would be my belief. Give him

849
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: one more year. I don't think Sirianni's long fulfilling. I

850
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: think the fans are.

851
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 12: Out on him.

852
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: I don't know he has, he lost the locker room.

853
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 8: He won a Super Bowl.

854
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 3: I know a year ago, what what have you done for me?

855
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: But he's wrong with professional sports right now. We are

856
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 5: getting rid of coaches like they are Kleenex throwing out

857
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: in the trash.

858
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 8: Can not that.

859
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: If you don't have that stability you were just talking

860
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: about it with the offense, Anthony. If you don't have

861
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: that stability in the building and that voice over and

862
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: over again, you are going to have problems. And you

863
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 5: establish a culture where everyone's in and out the door

864
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 5: in a year or two, players don't know who they

865
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: can trust. I just I think this in professional sports

866
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: in the NFL, certainly we saw it this year. How

867
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 5: many head coaching openings have we had. And it makes

868
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: the guys like Mike Tomlin. It makes the guys like

869
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: John Harbrough, who was with that team for eighteen years,

870
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: more rare and special because they were able to be

871
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 5: there for so long.

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Speaker 3: So the counter for Tomlin would be yes, great coach,

873
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: last seven playoff games, they got crushed, like do we

874
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: need to change things or Tomlin stepped down? So it's

875
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: not like they shut them out. And you're right, it's

876
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: probably a little irrational after just last year.

877
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: No, last year, he won the Super Bowl.

878
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: Last you are already firing him for the job you

879
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: think he's going to do next year even though he

880
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 5: only won the Super Bowl.

881
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: So, Rachel, if he hits the market, do you think

882
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni is like instantly getting a job.

883
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, probably a.

884
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: Head coach job, yes, because in this league there seems

885
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 5: like there's ten head coaching openings every year every year.

886
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 5: So yeah, is some team that has not had success

887
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: in a very long time going to be oh, this

888
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: guy won a Super.

889
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 8: Bowl two years ago. Yes, But I just I hate

890
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 8: seeing this.

891
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 5: We see it in the NBA too, we see it

892
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: in a bunch of other sports right now. I just

893
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: I don't get it. The coach is supposed to be

894
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: the stable one.

895
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: You could be honest, you want him to stay because

896
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: he's not a good coach, and you like Washington, Dad

897
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: Quick could be on the go next year you get

898
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: both Cordiners. Now you have some news on the hardball

899
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: situation with the Giants. We're expecting it to be locked down, but.

900
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 5: Yes, well, Adam Schefter tweeting the Giants and John Harbar

901
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: are still working through the details of their contract.

902
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 8: Not done yet.

903
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: We did expect it to be kind of a big

904
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 5: announcement be done yet. Schefter says the final issues aren't

905
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 5: over money, it's over language, and that a source told

906
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Speaker 5: them there's no derailments, the talks just continue. I thought

907
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: that was interesting only because over language can mean a

908
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Speaker 5: lot of things. Once you are sort of set you're

909
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 5: going to get paid a tremendous amount of money, It's

910
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: probably not about the money. You can pay one million less,

911
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 5: one million more or whatever. But is this about control

912
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 5: over some of the roster? Is this language about? I mean,

913
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Speaker 5: what is the language about? Obviously we don't know yet.

914
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Speaker 5: But whether this is a big deal or not, or

915
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: a big stumbling block or not, we'll have to see.

916
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: Because over language kind of sounds like it's just you know,

917
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: crossing t's and dotting eyes. Over language is usually the

918
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: hardest part of a contract once you've sort of got

919
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 5: big money already.

920
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: I will say I did find it weird. And again

921
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what reporters are plugged in. You know,

922
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: they get their stuff, you know how this game works.

923
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: So early in the week, it was like Harball's going

924
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: to take his time talking to all these people. And

925
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: then within like two days, John Harbaugh in Washington I

926
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Speaker 3: was like, or New York Giants had't I was like

927
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Speaker 3: that that was fast what happened. And I wonder if

928
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Speaker 3: this is the Giants thinking they got him and they

929
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: rush it out to every reporter, And now.

930
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Speaker 4: Are we sure this is buttoned up? I don't know.

931
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Speaker 5: I think it's good faith on both sides. I think

932
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: they genuinely thought they got him. But Harball's in a

933
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: great bargaining position now, especially now that this news has

934
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: kind of leaked out, that it's all but done right

935
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Speaker 5: because the Giants can't afford to have him walk away.

936
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Speaker 5: You know, they did a great job, the Giants putting

937
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Speaker 5: the full core press on Harbaugh. You know, they had

938
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Speaker 5: the ownership there. They had him talk to Tom Coughlin,

939
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 5: they had him even Brian Dable said, I recommend the

940
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: Giants as a place to work. That was odd, So

941
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 5: you know they knew they wanted this guy. I think

942
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Speaker 5: I think he's going to be great for the organization.

943
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Speaker 8: They need that stability.

944
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Speaker 5: I think the ownership is strong, and that was one

945
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Speaker 5: of Harbaugh's main certum objectives is to find strong ownership

946
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Speaker 5: and a quarterback he believes in. And apparently Jackson Dart

947
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 5: sat down with him as well, so they all sat

948
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Speaker 5: down with him over language. We'll have to see what

949
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 5: that means.

950
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Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, I saw a fun stat that

951
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: no coach who has won a Super Bowl with one

952
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: team has gone on to win with the second team.

953
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: So Giants fans all excited. Hasn't happened. Maybe John Harbaugh

954
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Speaker 3: is the first? All right, coming up next? Oh boy,

955
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Speaker 3: next hour. I'm very fired up about this. We're ranking

956
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks on divisional weekend.

957
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Speaker 4: We'll go eight to one.

958
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Speaker 3: You probably know who one is, but three through eight