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Speaker 1: you imagine what it was like for those three astronauts

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Speaker 1: to see the far side of the moon. God, everything

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Speaker 1: about it was amazing, spectacular and the words they said,

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Speaker 1: you know, the danger of this mission must be emphasized.

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Speaker 1: Before they launched, this mission was going without the lunar module.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't ready in time, and we had already lost

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Speaker 1: the three astronauts and Apollo one before that. That's right,

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Speaker 1: you had a failure before that, only two years earlier,

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Speaker 1: year and a half plus. On top of that, the

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Speaker 1: Saturn five rocket had never carried human beings before they

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Speaker 1: had been to test unmanned launches, one of which had

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Speaker 1: problems UM and that was actually the last launch of

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Speaker 1: the Saturn five. So this was the third launch after

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Speaker 1: the second had problems. Never put people on it. Um

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Speaker 1: they they did not have the lunar module. Now, the

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Speaker 1: whole plan was they would never leave Earth or but

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Speaker 1: without the lunar module because that acts as a lifeboat

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Speaker 1: backup and see if something goes wrong with the Apollo

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Speaker 1: capsule and service module, you've got the lunar modules exactly right.

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Speaker 1: What happened in Apollo thirteen they used the lunar module

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Speaker 1: to become alive. And you know Jim Revell was on

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Speaker 1: that mission as well, He was on both. That had

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Speaker 1: happened on Apollo eight, he and the crew would have

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Speaker 1: been dead and about within an hour with a minute hour.

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Speaker 1: So they were making a chip. They were taking an

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Speaker 1: almoust chance. And in fact, the wife of Frank Bowman

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Speaker 1: did not think they were going to come back alive.

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Speaker 1: Was very, very concerned. She didn't want to say no

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Speaker 1: for his career for any number of reasons, but she

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Speaker 1: was really scared and so Frank. Frank Woman asked Chris

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Speaker 1: Center in Houston to talk to her. They were friends,

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Speaker 1: and he tried to reassure her by telling them that

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Speaker 1: they think the odds are as good as fifty fifty.

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Speaker 1: So they launched this miss and thinking the odds were

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty that they were going to make it, and

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Speaker 1: that they were going to make it. That's correct. Give

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Speaker 1: you the idea. So now that moment in time you

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Speaker 1: mentioned before about Jim Lovell saying there is a Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: What happened is they went when they were in the

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Speaker 1: orbit around the Moon. They had a single engine that

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Speaker 1: in the service module that would get them out of orbit.

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Speaker 1: they went behind the Moon after twenty hours in lunar orbit,

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Speaker 1: reading from the Bible giving us a description of the

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Speaker 1: far side. How strange it looked. They went behind the

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Speaker 1: and the first words we heard Wouldjim Lovel saying is

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Speaker 1: the Santa Claus telling us, telling his family, his wife,

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Speaker 1: his kids, everybody, that they're going to come home. Um,

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Speaker 1: some people thought he meant that they saw you a fullback. There. No, No,

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Speaker 1: that was not what he meant. And everybody in the crew,

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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned the all three menut is still alive. Amazingly,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that something? Yes, it is. They're gonna have a reunion.

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Speaker 1: In fact, about two weeks. I'm going Are you try

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Speaker 1: to tape them? Can you know I won't be able

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Speaker 1: to do that kind of stuff. That's not the point.

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Speaker 1: Ask them this. If they would pop on the show

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Speaker 1: sort of Apollo eight. We uh, it's been we want

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Speaker 1: we're going unfortunately, you know, those great people are going

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Speaker 1: step by step and the great tragedy is we're not

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Speaker 1: eight that fifty years would pass and we would not

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Speaker 1: have been Can you imagine, Robert, if we continue to

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Speaker 1: would it be like right now technologically on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Would we have bases, cities? What would we have fifty

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Speaker 1: years later? It all comes down to how you do it,

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Speaker 1: and if you the way we've been trying to do

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Speaker 1: that's why not much would have gotten happened if because

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Speaker 1: we didn't continue. We we went the wrong route in

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Speaker 1: the last fifty years. What is beginning to happen now

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Speaker 1: to have a thriving, thriving spacefaring community, gonna have a

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Speaker 1: They'll be hotels in orbits, They'll be hotels there. There's

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Speaker 1: no question that's going to be happening. You will, You'll

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Speaker 1: fifty years, I have no doubt about that. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how long it would take Dominoes to get you a

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Speaker 1: pizza up there. Well, they'd probably have a pizza joint

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad franchise. Every major chain, fast food chain,

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Speaker 1: And four seasons on the moon thrown in to do it.

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Speaker 1: Be fantastic. Now with Apollo eight, after the mission was

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Speaker 1: them because they were now incredibly famous. And weren't they

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Speaker 1: partnered in Gemini. Well, no that Jim Lovell and Frank

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Speaker 1: this Frank Bohman Ali decided this would be his last

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Speaker 1: General Dynamics during a very important time to bring them

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Speaker 1: major contracting business with the government. Jim Lovell he he

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Speaker 1: wanted to fly again, and of course he went to

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Speaker 1: They all were able to make big livings in the

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Speaker 1: and had a major It was, as he said in

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Speaker 1: his own biography, it was the only battle he ever lost.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to get that company back on its feet,

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Speaker 1: but in order to do that he had to fight

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Speaker 1: and he lost that battle, but the company went bankrupt

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Speaker 1: and it was the only battle he ever lost. He said.

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Speaker 1: After that, he's opened up a card dealership in Corporate Christie,

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Speaker 1: which as far as I know is still there, still operating.

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Speaker 1: Is that where he lives now? I think so? Yes, Well,

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Speaker 1: what's pretty dramatic. These guys did something that cannot be measured.

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Speaker 1: And once again that you know. Bill Andes said his

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Speaker 1: She ordered him to go in a sense, and he

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Speaker 1: considers her to be the real hero. And I agree.

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Speaker 1: And all the wives were the real heroes because they

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Speaker 1: it's interesting Valerie and just told me that the interesting

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Speaker 1: thing is that she actually considered him being in the

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Speaker 1: space program a safer place to be as a military

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Speaker 1: she accepted the risks knowing that they actually had picked

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Speaker 1: a safer job as an astronaut than teenage at pilot

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Speaker 1: in in a military operation in Vietnam. And you can

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Speaker 1: see I can see her perspective. Listen to more Coast

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