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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff.

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And as we were talking about the episodes for the

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Speaker 2: show for the month of May, we realize many of

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Speaker 2: the topics we are bringing are not the most comforting

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Speaker 2: or easy topics, I guess, especially mine. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why I keep going to the dark, but I'm traveling

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Speaker 2: toward the dark side when it comes to episode themes. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: so we thought we would ease into the month with

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Speaker 2: some lighthearted content, right and with the recent twenty fifth

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Speaker 2: year anniversary celebration of the classic Ten Things I Hate

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Speaker 2: About You, I decided I needed to force any into

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Speaker 2: watching the classic and have a moment to talk about

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Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and the not so greatly aged

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Speaker 2: I guess content of the nineteen ninety nine retelling of

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Speaker 2: The Taming of the Shrew again Ten Things I Hate

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Speaker 2: About You?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Annie, what did you think about the movie?

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I had fun. I watched it last night. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this was my first time watching it. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really fun. I left feeling like, oh, in a

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Speaker 1: good mood, and it had a lot of stuff that

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Speaker 1: I related to as I've talked about this before, but

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Speaker 1: in high school, I was definitely like the feminist, but

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Speaker 1: I was afraid of the word feminist, so I would

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Speaker 1: never call myself that. But I was definitely like this

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Speaker 1: character where I was. I was the one that was

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Speaker 1: why are we doing this and not this? So I

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Speaker 1: really add to a lot of it in it. I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and as we were discussing, the music was

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Speaker 1: a real a real throwback.

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Speaker 3: There's a throwbacks and there's so many throwbacks in this thing.

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Speaker 2: The outphits, the classic ouphits, the type like baby Doll

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Speaker 2: t shirts, which I think they're all making a comebacks

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Speaker 2: or have made comebacks through and through.

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Speaker 3: I loved this movie.

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Speaker 2: This is when I was still in high school, so

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Speaker 2: definitely my time frame for sure. This was the introduction

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Speaker 2: of Heath Ledger, which is why you had said that

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Speaker 2: you did not watch.

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Speaker 1: It's why I didn't watch an Okay, yeah, yeah, which

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Speaker 1: I still have not seen.

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Speaker 3: Which I loved that one as well. Both of these.

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Speaker 3: There was this whole era.

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Speaker 2: And I was talking about this earlier around like this time.

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Speaker 2: This was right in the back in the middle of

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Speaker 2: taking classics and doing a retelling, so Clueless was one

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Speaker 2: of those. She's all that was one of those Bridget

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Speaker 2: of those. Apparently I got all caught up into all

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Speaker 2: just surprised. One of the surprises that I got was

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Speaker 2: think about it at that point, like it's one of

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Speaker 2: those things like, oh, okay, loosely, yes.

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Speaker 1: You know. The funny thing too here is that's really

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Speaker 1: throwing me for a loop. It's the twenty fifth anniversary

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Speaker 1: of Star Wars The Phantom Menace. So when I when

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Speaker 1: this was out, I was watching that, which.

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Speaker 2: Would have been probably Cameron and Michael, who are the

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Speaker 2: nerdier ones of this movie, would have watched that as well,

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Speaker 2: but that was never referenced.

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Speaker 1: Obviously. Obviously, Yes, it's just odd. I didn't know that

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Speaker 2: The things that you hit you're like, oh interesting. Two

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Speaker 2: thousands was a lot a lot. Nineteen nineties to early

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Speaker 2: by Karen McCullough and Kirsen Smith, who also wrote She's

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Speaker 2: the Man, which I referenced before, which is another movie

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Speaker 2: loosely based on Shakespeare's play as well, and also they

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Speaker 2: they're dynamic duo. This was directed by Gil Junger, which

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Speaker 2: takes place in a prominent high school in Seattle with

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Speaker 2: don't think it ever really implies that they are, but

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Speaker 1: Archery and stuff like. That's that's fancy, right.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm gonna go with that.

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Speaker 2: So this is has a cast that makes up the

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Speaker 2: of high school growing up. So not my high school.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not my high school, but kind of, I guess.

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Speaker 2: So we have Julia Styles as kat Larissa Oulinik, which

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Speaker 3: Did you ever watch that? No, do you know what

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Speaker 2: This is a Nickelodeon show that was huge at one point,

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Speaker 2: with their opprotective father played by Larry Miller. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Then we have Cameron, a new student who falls in

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Speaker 2: such as Joey quote eat Meat, Donner You're welcome, played

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Speaker 2: I don't remember that this is These are the things

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Speaker 2: them together. We also have Chastity, Bianca's best friend, played

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Speaker 2: by the icon, Gabrielle Union, who has said has been

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Speaker 2: And of course the bad boy himself, Patrick Verona, played

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Speaker 2: So let's jump into the plot. Cat and Bianca are

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Speaker 2: polar opposite sisters, but Bianca is the cheery, popular girl

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Speaker 2: that the boys all fall for, while Kat is an

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Speaker 2: Their father is an overprotective type and has to come

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Speaker 2: saying she can date if her sister Cat, who has

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Speaker 2: to woo Kat, so all these adventures happen. After some

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Speaker 3: Intending to date. This was an intent to her.

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Speaker 2: At the party, we have the drunken dancing performed by

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Speaker 2: was respecting that boundary. Yes, she got real drunk because

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Speaker 3: Da da Da da da.

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Speaker 2: Later we have Patrick making it up to her with

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Speaker 2: where they go and throw paint balloons at each other. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: I just thought that was an interesting scene. Then we

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Speaker 2: But that all is good, as they all decide to

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Speaker 2: Verona actually was paid to take her out, even though

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Speaker 3: Like, why do you think I have some motives? I

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Speaker 2: Lies, But yes, Kat finds that out there Bianca had

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Speaker 2: a bet for Joey, which wasn't actually true. He said

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Speaker 2: have an assignment, which was to rewrite the Sonnet, Shakespeare's Sonnet.

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Speaker 2: She gets up and reads hers and it has infamous

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Speaker 2: I don't hate you, not even little, not even at all,

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Speaker 2: there a favorite scene for you in there?

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Speaker 1: There are a couple standouts. I really liked the montage,

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Speaker 1: the sports montage where she's like pissed Roona. I really

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Speaker 1: liked that part. Yeah, yeah, that just felt fair like

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Speaker 1: if I had been younger and I'd seen that, I

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Speaker 1: had been like, hell yeah, I did like the junk

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Speaker 1: dance that was that you had told me it was

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Speaker 1: something like that was going to be in there, and

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Speaker 1: I was not anticipating that.

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Speaker 2: According to Mini excerpts, this is how she ended up

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Speaker 2: getting the role for Save the Last Dance because they

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Speaker 2: saw her doing table scene and they're like, oh, she can dance.

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Speaker 2: She's a white girl that can dance. Let's use her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she apparently it is another movie I need to watch.

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Speaker 3: Its need is a strong word. Did I love it?

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Speaker 2: I loved it, But it was along the same lines

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Speaker 2: of me also loving Romeo Must Die. Uh Okay, there's

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Speaker 2: just like like grittiness that really wasn't there, That really

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Speaker 2: wasn't like it wasn't that low anyway. But you know, Aliah,

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Speaker 2: I loved Romeo Romeo Must Die. It might be one

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Speaker 2: Was like, are you in the Thespian Society? No, I've

435
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: made in the Thespian Society within the first year because

436
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: I did so many hours as a stage manager.

437
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: It was awful anyway, I love drama.

438
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: Being the stage manager without any experience was real dumb

439
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: because I was the stage manager for a competition and

440
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: she just put me in there, like you know what

441
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: you're doing.

442
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't.

443
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: Because I also gave the ore that was I was

444
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: organized and I am not.

445
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 3: We know this not so.

446
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: But Hey you got, I got.

447
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm in the part of the National Thespian Society anyway.

448
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, like we definitely didn't have all of that.

449
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: I think I was more of the I go, I'm

450
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: just here. I'm not the cool kid, but I'm not

451
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 2: the nerdy kid. I wasn't in band which bands like

452
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: band geeks.

453
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: I'm saying that as a title. I'm not calling you

454
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: geeks if you're a band. I was.

455
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they have their own crew of people,

456
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: like they hung out with just themselves. I was like,

457
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: they were like if drama kids were there, it was

458
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: the band group, you know what I mean. And they

459
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: were a force, like they would win homecoming, King or

460
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Queen because they were a force. I was like, huh, okay,

461
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: so people, so you don't mess with them, You don't

462
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: mess with them.

463
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: We talked, we talked about the music I do.

464
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: I think like the thing about this soundtrack that was

465
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: a little different is that they had a lot of

466
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: like in women led bands, and I really really appreciate that.

467
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: So the Cardigan's letters to Cleo, Say Ferris obviously Jon

468
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: Jet and the Black Hearts, which was at the very beginning.

469
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: We also laughed because they had bare naked ladies at

470
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: the very beginning too, and it threw me into like

471
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: so many like throwbacks to that white hilarious, but yeah,

472
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: like I really appreciate that they brought those to front.

473
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: They were popular in their own right, a lot of

474
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: skuf of course, say Ferris, I think it was music,

475
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, that's all.

476
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: Right, yes, And if you haven't seen the movie, you

477
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: could probably tell from the plot breakdown. Music is very

478
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: important to cats, and that's one of the things that

479
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: they like, the dudes trying to help him scheme how

480
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: to get her to woo her, they'd like find out

481
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: her favorite music and all of this stuff, and it

482
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: was pretty comical because she'd be like you like in

483
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: certain fantier and he's like, oh, yeah, don't you, And

484
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: then he'd be all like, I can't believe you'd question

485
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: my taste. Leave me alone.

486
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: Of course, there's also the really like sexist like I

487
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: would never listen to that music. That's chick music, right, yes,

488
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: which came through a few times. Yes, of course, you know.

489
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: They also talked about Sylvia Plath, the feminine mystic. But

490
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: all these things I found fairly funny because I was like,

491
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: you can't take deeper, but it's okay. Sylvia Plath had

492
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: a hard life, had a hard, hard life, short life.

493
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

494
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: And then of course, if we did talk about anything

495
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: and be like themes, it'd be the family sisterhood, like

496
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: the rival, like there was this level of discontent within

497
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: the family after the mother left, and whether it caused

498
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: him to be whether the father to be overly protective

499
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: and trying to keep them near him, or the sisters

500
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: to try to find their own selves. The Bianca finding

501
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: her items and using them, whether it is ci mental

502
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: or just because she thinks it's pretty. You kind of

503
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: don't get that hint, but I think it's somewhat sentimental

504
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: as the youngest daughter. And then you have the angry

505
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 2: cat who wants to forget her and blame her for

506
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: their troubles, partially blame her for her troubles their troubles

507
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: as well. You have that breakdown, but they do come together.

508
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: It's not the sweet sweet like, oh, they're gonna be

509
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: best friends, but it's just like an understanding of one another.

510
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because I think that's how she convinced Kat

511
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to go to promos, Like Bianca convinced her to go

512
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: to promise like you went, I want to go. This

513
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: is like my time. I really want to do this.

514
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Don't you understand that? Like, can we please do that?

515
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: And that's why Kat went. But she wasn't. There was

516
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: no like I'm so happy to go. But she was like,

517
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: all right, I've heard you, I understand you. I will go.

518
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do this. He wants me to go. We'll

519
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: have fun.

520
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: In the story, and then somehow this dude who is

521
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: the troublemaker ends up bringing her favorite band letters to Cleo.

522
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't understand, but okay, Cole, you

523
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: do you that's amazing, which, by the way, is a

524
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: reference in Parks and rec as well, because Ben loves

525
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: that is his favorite band.

526
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't really know who they were.

527
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: The shirt and he's sit in the back like laughing

528
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: and like enjoying it.

529
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: She winks at it. He's like, oh my god, she

530
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: winked at me.

531
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: I love it.

532
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: So many years later, if there was a theme, of course,

533
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: Shakespeare would be all into this, including the Sonnet, which

534
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: which I love like it was I think in this

535
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: era that we had where if you made it somewhat

536
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: hip hop then you made it cool. We have now

537
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: become a trope and like everybody laughs at it.

538
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: This is during that era, and.

539
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: We have this Sauna that now in famous Sunna that

540
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: she writes about hating him and everything he does, but

541
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: then she doesn't really hate him.

542
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

543
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: And then we have Mendela, Cat's best friend we just

544
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: we don't talk about. She was in center stage in

545
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: the era too, with a ballet movie all the things

546
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: I remember anyway, and her actual love for Shakespeare to

547
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: the point that she says, I am involved. And she

548
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: gets that invite to the prom with Michael as posing

549
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: as Shakespeare.

550
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: Yes, somehow I managed to forget that detail. I don't

551
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: know how.

552
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how. Here's some fun facts. I always

553
00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: love funding fun facts. Apparently Gordon Levin's and Styles actually dated. Oh,

554
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: they went to Colombia together, essentially. Later on turns out

555
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: that Ola Nick, who was the sister Bianca, went to

556
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Sara Lawrence.

557
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah.

558
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: Later on I thought that was really fun. I was like, oh,

559
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: that seems cute.

560
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

561
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: There was a conversation about them doing a second one

562
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: to this, but after he led his death, I think

563
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: that kind of like faded away. There was a conversation

564
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: about him changing the movie completely and talking about mental

565
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: health and mental illness, uh, and even suicide.

566
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

567
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: That this is the director talking about him to want

568
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: to do something, but I can't imagine it being.

569
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Oo yeah, that would be incredibly difficult to pull off.

570
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know who would actually be like, yeah,

571
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: let's go watch this. They also talked about that this

572
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: was going to be on Broadway. I think they're still

573
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: talking about it, so I don't I don't know. It

574
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: makes sense kind of kind of.

575
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, plenty of things we've talked about in here before.

576
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

577
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: I when I read they have a Broadway version, I

578
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: was like, really, but apparently it's good, So I believe

579
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: it could happen.

580
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Apparently it's good.

581
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And overall, I think when we talk about these movies,

582
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: we do talk about whether or not has it aged well?

583
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: And I think the answer is better than some but

584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: still like, there's still some mortage and insults in here

585
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: that are like ouch, y'all didn't have to say that,

586
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: but I guess. But from that time, and I think

587
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: probably when I was that age and that type of

588
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: insults were okay and not looked down upon. We all

589
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: use that those not like it's not really it is extreme,

590
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: Like there's so many like ablest type of conversations, sexist

591
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: types of conversation, real like shame slut shaming conversations in

592
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: here that people were like.

593
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: That's so funny.

594
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: Wait what Yeah, that's almost more like more of our

595
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: attitude has changed around it, like, yeah, so drastically that

596
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: it feels very Oh my gosh, I can't believe we

597
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: were laughing at that, yeah, or something like that.

598
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I can't believe that we were okay

599
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: with this type of speech. It is reminiscent of the

600
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: time where when you know, Dawson's Creek came out and

601
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: everybody was in awe that teenagers were speaking so eloquently

602
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: with like, you know, for syllable words that no one knew.

603
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: The meaning of.

604
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: So because like that same level of this, apparently they

605
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: were originally looking at Katie Holmes and James Vanderbeek as

606
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: being the leads for this as well.

607
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: I don't I can't imagine it.

608
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a different I think the vibe

609
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: would have been different.

610
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: The vibe, but yeah, what Katie Holmes character in Dawson's Creek.

611
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: Is that of anti establishment as well.

612
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the She's definitely the bookie Brunette, the bookie Brunnette.

613
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I want someone who's never watched that either, But I

614
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: just that was what I thought.

615
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: I watched the first two seasons, and then I think

616
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: I got in trouble.

617
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: I was watching it.

618
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, then I shouldn't be watching it because it was.

619
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: There were sex no, oh dear, and that can't be

620
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: happening on teenage shows.

621
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: I remember there was a conversation about I believe it

622
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: was Katie Holmes character Joey like snuck into a guy's

623
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: through the window and it was this huge like everybody

624
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: was talking about it. And at the time I was

625
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: like a teenager, like what like.

626
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: There was this level.

627
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: But if you had a guy best friend and you

628
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: grew up that close to them, it made sense.

629
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't even know if it was sexual.

630
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: Sure, it wasn't ever far Like what started happening was

631
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: that he started realizing and she's always had a crush

632
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: on him, as it goes, but she he started realizing, Oh,

633
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: she's she's actually a girl and she's developing. Oh look

634
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: at those legs. I also remember Michelle Williams came in

635
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: and I can't remember why she ended up moving, but

636
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: she was so like obviously sexualized from Jump that people

637
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: were having a hard time, Like parents were.

638
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: Like, you shouldn't be watching this.

639
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that blonde.

640
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Hair, that damn blonde hair made her do it, made

641
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: her be this. But yeah, so I think this is

642
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: if you've never watched it before, understand like pursued with caution.

643
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: This is a nineteen ninety nine movie and it.

644
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: Shows Yeah, And I think it's interesting because to me,

645
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: when I watched it, I was like, wow, this is

646
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: so much like less offensive than I thought it would be.

647
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: But that's because I kind of grew up with that stuff, right.

648
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: But if you're if you didn't, yeah, and you go back,

649
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: then I think it's very shocking.

650
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of because I remember it with so

651
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: much funness that I forgot, you know what I mean, Like, well.

652
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I've always recommended I don't have kids,

653
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: but before I would show anything to a kid that

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Speaker 1: I have memories for, I would rewatch it first.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember being too this wasn't it too sexual

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Speaker 2: at least as in like showing anything, but they definitely

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Speaker 2: talk about things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I mean it's this is unique to

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Speaker 1: this movie at all. Clearly it was based on Timming

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Speaker 1: of the Shrew, but it is the whole like idea

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Speaker 1: of paying a guy money to trick a girl into dating,

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Speaker 1: and there's there's some kind of manipulation.

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Speaker 3: Think the like cut scenes.

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Speaker 2: They actually have a moment where the sister has a

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Speaker 2: reckoning because it's obviously is Bianca's partial doing and trying

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Speaker 2: to manipulate her sister. But like you don't actually ever

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Speaker 2: see this in Yeah, the show is just all on

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Speaker 2: Heath Ledger, which.

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Speaker 3: Is still bad. He did it.

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Speaker 2: He definitely did all the bad things. But you were

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Speaker 2: like no one talking about the fact that Cameron was

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Speaker 2: the one that was manipulating behind the scenes, Him and Michael.

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Speaker 2: Nobody they got off scot free, Okay, yeah, because it

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Speaker 2: was like it's strange that it was their plan to

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Speaker 2: so Cameron could date beyond, but she cat was the fallout,

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Speaker 2: like they can consider she's just the Shrew.

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Speaker 1: We've got to fix up, got to fix her.

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Speaker 3: You know what's going to fix her?

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Speaker 1: A man, this troublesome man that might have gone to jail.

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Speaker 3: He's losing I may have lost the liver.

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Speaker 1: We'll set her up with that guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, classics, I'm so glady to watch it. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you liked it, Annie, I do like it with

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Speaker 2: its troublesome things even so.

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Speaker 1: Oh I had fun. I really liked it. So definitely,

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Speaker 1: if anyone was looking for a reason to revisit or

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Speaker 1: to watch her the first time again, go in with

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Speaker 1: this disclaimer. But I recommend it. I thought it was fun. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this will not be I don't even know if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna call it a feminist movie Friday. No, it's not

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Speaker 1: the only movie we're doing this month, because yes, we

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