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Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by Charlie Weis, senior, four time

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion coach. You already know that, and of

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Speaker 1: course Charlie White, senior on socials.

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Speaker 3: Charlie, how you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing wonderful. How you guys doing good?

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Speaker 3: Coach, good to hear from you doing great. I want

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Speaker 3: to get it. I was gonna say, I want to

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Speaker 3: get into something.

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned your Twitter handle because you put out something.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump in the dolore in and go back

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Speaker 1: in time a little bit here, Charlie and Ephraim, you

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Speaker 1: put out something here, coach. Let me say this before

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week starts. I have watched every snap app

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Speaker 1: of Jackson Dark for the last three years plus have

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Speaker 1: seen his leadership and approach off the field. By next Monday,

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Speaker 1: he will be considered a first round pick. It's easy

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Speaker 1: to wait to make that call, not necessary.

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Speaker 3: You saw it early, you were a profit on this.

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Speaker 3: What did you see there?

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Speaker 1: And obviously playing old miss your son is a part

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Speaker 1: of that team there, that staff. What made you jump

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Speaker 1: gun and be ahead of a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Well, my son isn't just part of the staff. He's

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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator and a quarterback coach. And I watched

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Speaker 4: him for three years. I watched this kid from the

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Speaker 4: day he got there so the day he left.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Think I have a clue when it comes to quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: I think I have a clue.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of people who know more

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 4: And I watched this kid on and off the field.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to act like I had any really

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Speaker 4: insight other than my first conversation with him. My first

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Speaker 4: conversation with him, I'm sitting in the summertime his first

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Speaker 4: year when he transferred from the USC. I'm sitting in

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Speaker 4: He goes, what's the difference between a good quarterback and

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to leave. I'll leave the football stuff

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Speaker 4: to Lane and Charlie. I'll let them talk about that.

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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what I witnessed from watching a

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Speaker 4: what I observed him do, and apparently everything that everything

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Speaker 4: that you know in that conversation we had, he did it,

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Speaker 4: Ole Miss, and he's doing it again with the Giants.

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Speaker 4: I mean I was up there last week. I spent

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about watching. I was inside meeting rooms.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So with that coach from salam here, with that,

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Speaker 4: By the way, afriend, you were a really good player.

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Speaker 3: I thank you people.

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Speaker 4: So people who are listening right now that don't realize

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take it from there. I appreciate that coach.

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Speaker 6: It's always good when you get the other coaches, you know,

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Speaker 6: My uh, my question to you is uh saying that

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna give you two answers to that.

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Speaker 4: The first answer, if you're if you're with the Giants,

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Speaker 4: So from the Giants perspective, and for any fan of

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Speaker 4: mean that I'm rooting for Jackson Dark to replace Russell

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Speaker 4: Wilson until it's time. But let's be practical. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 4: let's be practical. You look at their schedule. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the first half of their schedule is brutal.

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Speaker 5: Think about it.

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Speaker 4: You go on the road against Washington, you go on

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Speaker 4: On the road against Washington, who's the favorite Commanders?

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Speaker 4: Yes, who's the favorite on the road against Dallas Dallas. Okay,

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Speaker 4: they're coming home against the Chiefs. Okay, now, I'm already

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Speaker 4: giving you the first spot where this this could happen.

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Speaker 4: So if you start off the year, I mean, you

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Speaker 5: Now, right yeah, yoing three boo. We would we would do.

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Speaker 4: I mean you could see that as the first point

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Speaker 7: What they should be rooting for.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean it's a catch twenty two. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know, I obviously I'm rooting for Jackson, but I

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Speaker 5: I coach for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Davill was a was a low level assistant under me

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Speaker 4: so I have to give you two answers, not one.

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Speaker 4: I apologize for being evasive, but I'm also here.

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Speaker 3: I get you. It made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Wise, Senor, our guest four time Super Bowl champion coach.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Jackson Dart. I want to stay with quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: so it'd switch a little bit. I want to go

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Speaker 1: to the number one pick. A couple of years back,

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Speaker 1: Heisman winner and Caleb Williams's to me. I was saying

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Speaker 1: the other day, Coach that depending on how it's one

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Speaker 1: of those confirmation biased things. However you viewed Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: You know that it wasn't the greatest team. Look what

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Speaker 1: he's gonna do now? Or you could say I expected more.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, and I wanted more from him.

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Speaker 1: What are hes supposed to be? Where do you come

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Speaker 1: out on Kayla Williams, And now with Ben Johnson, what

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Speaker 4: Well, look at Caleb his junior year, look at him

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Speaker 4: I don't know Ben Johnson personally, but I do know

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Speaker 4: he's got a great reputation on offense. So he's got

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Speaker 4: to forget about the oppositive coordinator, forget about everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Just realize that when Ben Johnson got hired from the

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Speaker 4: sure he got the quarterback fixed. Okay, so if there's

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Speaker 4: It should be Caleb. And you know I remember Caleb

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Speaker 1: Well, we're looking forward to see what actually happens. Sends

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Speaker 1: me some some good football. That NFC North is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a tough division.

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Speaker 3: That is. Coach. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate your coach.

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Speaker 4: You got it, take care of have a good one

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Speaker 4: all right now.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rafael one on asks Dan, what's up? How you doing? Man?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I would blin. I think we got a

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Speaker 5: lot to talk about, don't we?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes we do.

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Speaker 1: If we want to talk to you about so Shador Sanders, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we uh about twelve hours ago? Maybe you know some

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Speaker 1: quiet things. Obviously you got Canelo and uh Bud coming

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Speaker 1: up as well. But man, boom, we get dropped with

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Speaker 1: this one. You got Jake Paul and Tank Davis getting

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Speaker 1: ready to fight in November, So let's just start right there.

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Speaker 1: It's an exhibition, but Vegas I believe, has it at

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Speaker 1: uh minus one eighty for Tank.

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Speaker 3: Is this going to be a real fight? Is this

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Speaker 3: gonna be a money grab?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: What are we What are we getting here?

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Speaker 5: Well, some things can be true at the same time. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's absolutely one hundred thousand percent of money grab. But

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Speaker 5: you know, these two guys supposedly are gonna come to fight.

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Speaker 5: Uh it's an exhibition technically, but that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 5: they're It just won't go on their official records, and

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Speaker 5: so I guess they'll be in there trying to win,

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Speaker 5: you know, quote unquote win. I guess they'll be judges

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Speaker 5: if it does go the route ten rounds. I'm still

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Speaker 5: not sure, and it's not been described by the people

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Speaker 5: who are putting us on as what the weight parameters

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Speaker 5: will be. Because one of the reasons why weight classes

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Speaker 5: exist is for a reason because you know, there's such

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Speaker 5: a disparity between you two two guys. It's one thing

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Speaker 5: for a future Hall of Famer by Terrence Crawford, a seasoned,

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Speaker 5: veteran professional four division world champion, to move up two

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Speaker 5: weight classes and take on at Canelo Alvarez, who's also

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Speaker 5: a four division world champion of future Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: From a skill level perspective, they're very similar accomplishments and

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Speaker 5: all that. The weight's obviously difference. This is totally different

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Speaker 5: ballgame here. You have Tank Davis, you know, a top

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Speaker 5: level professional who's the one of the champions in the

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Speaker 5: lightweight division, weighed one hundred and thirty five pounds, going

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Speaker 5: to take on Jake Paul, who is not nearly that

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Speaker 5: level experience or or skill level, but he's a two

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Speaker 5: hundred pounds man. When he fought Mike Tyson last all,

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Speaker 5: he bulked all the way up to two hundred twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: So if you take them at their normal fighting weight,

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Speaker 5: two hundred for Jake Paul, one thirty five for Tank Davis,

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Speaker 5: you're talking about sixty five pounds. I mean, even a

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Speaker 5: guy who's sixty five pounds lest with some skill, and

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Speaker 5: Jake does have some skill, may not be at the

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Speaker 5: pound for pound elite, but that that could be a

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Speaker 5: problem for Tank Davis not to mention by the way,

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Speaker 5: Tank is like five foot five stands then on a

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Speaker 5: phone book right right. Jake Paul is about, you know,

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Speaker 5: is about six feet tall. It's a it's a much

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Speaker 5: different viewpoint in terms of the height of these two guys. Also,

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Speaker 5: so Jake has all the physical attributes. And even though

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Speaker 5: Tank's a great puncher at one hundred and thirty five,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Jake Paul's got a really good

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Speaker 5: going to you know, whatever he ends up playing for

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Speaker 5: the fight, it's going to be a problem.

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Speaker 6: Let me ask you this is this fight good or

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Speaker 6: bad for boxing? We had a debate in an argument

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Speaker 6: In your opinion, Dan, is this good or bad for boxing?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think it's good or bad because

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Speaker 5: it's a one night stand. That's how I look at it.

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Speaker 5: It's disappointing from We'll put it like this. On the

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Speaker 5: one hand, it's disappointing. I mean, I know what Jake's

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Speaker 5: been doing. And I've never been a Jake Paul hater

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Speaker 5: Greek about. I totally get what he's doing. You know,

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Speaker 5: he wants to try to build himself up as a boxer,

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Speaker 5: but you get these types of opportunities where you can

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Speaker 5: put on an event that's such a huge deal and

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Speaker 5: you know, make you know, crazy amounts of money. I mean,

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Speaker 5: who could blame him in terms of tank What disappoints

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Speaker 5: me and I'm not mad at the fight itself, but

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Speaker 5: what irritates me is that he comes off a fight

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Speaker 5: that took place back in March where he got a

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Speaker 5: gift from God to get away with a draw against

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Speaker 5: Lamont Roach in a fight that he either should have

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Speaker 5: lost the decision in or should have been disqualified because

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Speaker 5: of the antics that surrounded the knockdown that occurred that

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Speaker 5: wasn't called a knockdown, and he invoked his contractual right

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Speaker 5: to our rematch. He was like the so called A side,

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Speaker 5: he had the right to rematch in the event of

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Speaker 5: a loss for a draw. He exercised that right to

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Speaker 5: the rematch and I feel like he's going back on

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Speaker 5: his word to Lamont Roach. And he's taking a money

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Speaker 5: grab against Jake Paul in an exhibition before he goes

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Speaker 5: and cleans up the mess against the guy that he left,

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Speaker 5: you know and hanging at the altar for the last

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Speaker 5: several months. So if that was out of the way,

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Speaker 5: if he had got the clean win, or that was

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Speaker 5: not an issue he didn't exercise the rematch, you know whatever,

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Speaker 5: I would be a little more understanding from the Tank

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Speaker 5: side of this particular fight. He is, Dan answer the

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Speaker 5: question though it's good and dad, but in the end,

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Speaker 5: boxing is boxing. You know, you can't kill it and

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Speaker 5: then we'll never die.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rafael our guest here, longtime boxing reporter, Fight Freaks,

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Speaker 1: you unite on substack. Let's go to actual boxing, not

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Speaker 1: entertainment as he was referring to earlier. When we have

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Speaker 1: Canelo and Terence but Crawford September thirteenth, that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the one a lot of people are watching. Earlier,

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Speaker 1: I describe it as that's the Phantom Rose Royce and

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Speaker 1: the Jake Paul and Tank Davis is more like the

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Speaker 1: CHRISTI or three hundred.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's with this with this fight.

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Speaker 1: How how can it be the thing that the CPR

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Speaker 1: to the fight game. Can it be the thing that

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Speaker 1: brings it back to life. Maybe we get at least

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Speaker 1: two out of it, Maybe we get a trilogy out

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Speaker 1: of it. Can this be what boxing needed to kind

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know about that. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if I'm gonna ever think about this fight in terms

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Speaker 5: But it's it is two as I mentioned earlier, two

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Speaker 5: you know, all time great fighters, two Hall of Fame

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Speaker 5: up against each other. It's really about Terence Crawford, who

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Speaker 5: sort of willed this fight into being, had his eye

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Speaker 5: on Canelo. Really didn't see a big money fighter, a

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Speaker 5: big name for himself in the well nothing left formerly

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Speaker 5: at welter where he became the undisputed champion. He did

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Speaker 5: have the one fight at Jummerman Away where he won

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Speaker 5: there wasn't that big star name. And Crawford is understandably

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Speaker 5: and he knows this. Everybody knows the same with Canelo.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're in the twilights of their career. They're

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Speaker 5: near the end, and so they're making a big event

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Speaker 5: out of it. So I can't say it's gonna, you know,

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Speaker 5: bring the boxing game back to life. It's really you know,

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Speaker 5: it has a lot of problems in the United States

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Speaker 5: and anyway. It's very healthy in other parts of the world.

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Speaker 5: But the saving grace both between this fight between Canelo

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Speaker 5: Davis event, is that at least if you have mild

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Speaker 5: interest or huge interest for that matter, it's not going

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Speaker 5: to cost you crazy amounts of money to buy a

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Speaker 5: if they had a Canelo Crawford caliber find if they

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Speaker 5: charge one hundred bucks for it, like did did years

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Speaker 5: ago for packing out against Mayweather. So the good thing

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Speaker 5: is that those two events are both on Netflix, and

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Speaker 5: if you just subscribe, like you know, hundreds of millions

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Speaker 5: or whatever original series you're interested, or whatever documentary. It

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Speaker 5: just part of the package. So that's a that's a

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Speaker 5: good thing. So if let's say Tank and Paul turns

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Speaker 5: you don't walk away from your screen all annoyed because

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Speaker 3: Ah, that's true. That's a good point.

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Speaker 6: Let me ask you this as we as you mentioned

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Speaker 6: Who's the up and coming uh and any weight class

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Speaker 5: Well, there are certainly a number of uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: like a light heavyweight named David benavidis he's got a

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Speaker 5: good fight coming up in November defending one of his

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Speaker 5: only twenty five rounds as a professional, and he took

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Speaker 5: he's gonna win the fight, but he just did him

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Speaker 5: So keep your keep your thought process. When you hear

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Speaker 5: they're talking about maybe even possibly in his next fight,

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Speaker 5: superb prospect. A lot of people, I don't think this

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Speaker 5: is fair, but a lot of people talk about him

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Speaker 5: in the same bean as they talked about like the

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one year old Mike Tyson. So definitely you

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Speaker 5: got to keep an eye on all.

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Speaker 1: I'd saying a whole lot right there, twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: year old Tyson. All right, Dad, we appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: as always. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 5: Okay, guys, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man.

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Speaker 9: You know, So there's gonna be a debate between Peyton

439
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Speaker 9: Manning and Tom Brady who's the best? You know, For me,

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Speaker 9: it'll always be Peyton Manning. He changed the quarterback position

441
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Speaker 9: from Chickie, chicky.

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Speaker 3: You know this more than me. You can quarterback from Cheke.

443
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Speaker 3: Check you change the.

444
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Speaker 9: Play, Come on, check the play. Change the play again,

445
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Speaker 9: go over top. He wasn't scrambling and doing all of

446
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Speaker 9: that stuff. He did it all with his arm and

447
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 9: it was beautiful.

448
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Speaker 3: Man. And people say that guys.

449
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Speaker 9: Are humble, but like he's so humble. He knew every

450
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Speaker 9: single guy in the facility where it's the janitors, all

451
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Speaker 9: the coaches. He had a personal relationship with everybody. He

452
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Speaker 9: was the first person and truly the first person in

453
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Speaker 9: the building.

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Speaker 3: Whenever you pulled up. You see his music because he

455
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Speaker 3: drove for Buick, because he had the Muick deal.

456
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Speaker 9: I had a fundraiser event from Bum's vision. He was there. Man,

457
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Speaker 9: he was. He was all about his guys, all about

458
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Speaker 9: his teammates.

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Speaker 1: And ringing endorsement for Peyton Manning there. You may be

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Speaker 1: shocked to hear what, Well, that's why I'm gonna let

461
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Speaker 1: you go first. I'm I'm gonna throw it over to you.

462
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Speaker 1: You played in the league. You were according to Charlie Weiss,

463
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Speaker 1: uh see he said you were good. No, I was

464
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Speaker 1: good enough. I had a good career. It was fun.

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Speaker 6: You know, for someone who came to football as late

466
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Speaker 6: as I did, I end up, you know, having fun

467
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Speaker 6: and playing in the league a long time alone, double

468
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Speaker 6: digit years, long time, one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And fifty nine games and fifty six games something like that.

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Speaker 3: You won, seriously, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: You got to It's one thing to get there's another

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Speaker 1: thing to play a handful of is you played fourteen

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Speaker 1: to fifteen however many years.

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Speaker 3: That's remarkable.

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Speaker 6: So that being said, this is my take, and I've

476
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Speaker 6: always had this take because I was a part of

477
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Speaker 6: the era where this was happening. Uh huh, Vaughan isn't

478
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Speaker 6: off right, This isn't crazy.

479
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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think that.

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Speaker 6: And this is why I say that. I was an

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Speaker 6: offensive lineman offensive side of the ball. They're both quarterbacks

482
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Speaker 6: offensive sides of the ball. I've played against Tom Brady

483
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Speaker 6: a bunch, played against Peyton Manning more than I would

484
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Speaker 6: have wanted to. Peyton Manning and whatever team he was

485
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Speaker 6: the Colts. When we played against Peyton, that is the

486
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Speaker 6: only time the defensive coordinator came into the offensive install

487
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Speaker 6: room and told us what we needed to do to

488
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Speaker 6: help them stop pay Hayden. No other quarterback garnered that

489
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Speaker 6: level of specialty. No other quarterback could make you guess

490
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Speaker 6: wrong every single play. And I played against him a bunch.

491
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Speaker 6: I've been in the division with him. And Vaughn is

492
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Speaker 6: right when he says he changed the quarterback position because

493
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Speaker 6: he was the one calling the plays and checking out

494
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Speaker 6: of things, and you thought you had him the defense

495
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Speaker 6: would do this, and he wouldn't make you check out

496
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Speaker 6: of something into what he wanted you to check into

497
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Speaker 6: and then exploit that. And So, for my money, and

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Speaker 6: I know the accolades didn't follow like it did with

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Speaker 6: Tom Brady. And I'm not taking anything from Tom Brady, okay,

500
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Speaker 6: but for my money, Tom Peyton Manning was a more

501
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Speaker 6: feared quarterback than Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: I'll say it like that.

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Speaker 1: I like the way you put that, because at the end,

504
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Speaker 1: I think Tom Brady was more feared winner, meaning somehow

505
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Speaker 1: he's gonna find a way to win this. But actual

506
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Speaker 1: quarterback position in and of itself is different today because

507
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Speaker 1: of Tom Brady. Peyton A few examples of this. So

508
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Speaker 1: first and let me say this, this is why me

509
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Speaker 1: and Rob Parker getting arguments about this phrase. I'm gonna

510
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Speaker 1: say I think me and you even argued about this before,

511
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Speaker 1: because it's hard to have these conversations to me without

512
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: having the greatest and also the best. Sometimes they are

513
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Speaker 1: the one of the same, sometimes they're not to me,

514
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Speaker 1: and sometimes you can be the better quarterback Peyton Manning,

515
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Speaker 1: but the greater quarterback is Tom Brady. And some of

516
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Speaker 1: that is brother where you land, because there's a person

517
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Speaker 1: right now who if he was sitting here, he probably

518
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Speaker 1: y'all want to throw my name. And if we're talking

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Speaker 1: about pure just simple talent throwing the ball, Dan Marino.

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Speaker 1: But because he wasn't in a situation to win enough

521
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Speaker 1: to have the titles, then you kind of just go,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, Dan, get out the way. But if you're

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Speaker 1: just talking about pure talent, Dan Marino would probably say, hey,

524
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Speaker 1: don't forget your boy. Right, there's a handful of other people.

525
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Speaker 1: Steve Young might say, hey, don't forget your boy if

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Speaker 1: you're talking just talent. But Tom Brady wasn't that with Peyton.

527
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Speaker 1: He didn't come in with that. Peyton came in with

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Speaker 1: that expectation you're supposed to be the guy, and after

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Speaker 1: year or so year and a half he became the

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Speaker 1: guy pretty much until his neck was broken and the

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Speaker 1: last year so with football. So Peyton manning to me

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Speaker 1: is when I close my eyes and I think of

533
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Speaker 1: just quarterback position and I'm drawing it up, who's throwing,

534
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Speaker 1: it's him. But because we judge quarterbacks by what wins. More,

535
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Speaker 1: we don't judge offensive linemen by wins. We don't drugg safeties, linebackers.

536
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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are the only position in football that plays outside

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Speaker 1: of coaches that we judge on the wins. And this

538
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Speaker 1: is where Tom Brady finding the way to win, the

539
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Speaker 1: will to win, the comebacks twenty eight to three, and

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Speaker 1: he just has the greater story, the greater arc, And

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Speaker 1: that's to me why he's the greatest quarterback of all time.

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Speaker 6: I've lost to Tom Brady up by thirteen with two

543
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Speaker 6: and a half minutes left in the game, and we

544
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Speaker 6: had the ball, like seriahs.

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Speaker 3: You got detail. How did this happen?

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Speaker 6: It's out of control, man, I don't mean that, and

547
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Speaker 6: that's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it's crazy you feared, Peyton. The duration of the

549
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Speaker 1: game right zero to sixty minutes.

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Speaker 6: The first time the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts,

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Speaker 6: I was a part of that for the first time

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Speaker 6: and our game plan. And this is what I mean

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Speaker 6: by they came in and told us what we needed

554
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Speaker 6: to do. We were just gonna run the ball. Roun

555
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Speaker 6: Day had one hundred and thirty five yards rushing a

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Speaker 6: couple touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: It was third and nine. We're handing the ball off.

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Speaker 6: So he put the onus on the offensive line quick

559
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Speaker 6: passes because they had Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis and

560
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Speaker 6: they love to get you behind, and so they put

561
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Speaker 6: the onus on us and we just ate up time.

562
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Speaker 6: We won the time of possession. And Chris Brown the kicker,

563
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Speaker 6: not the singer. I mean he soundented, he can play basketball.

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Speaker 6: Didn't know he played for christ with the k not

565
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Speaker 6: a c kick a fifty five yard field goal at

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Speaker 6: the end of the game on Christmas Eve and the

567
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: announcer was like, it's a Christmas miracle. I think that

568
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 6: was in two thousand and seven. And so just being

569
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Speaker 6: a part of those level of games and game planning

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Speaker 6: and preparing for Peyton it for my money, he was

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Speaker 6: the most feared quarterback at that time.

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Speaker 1: Also a couple other things you're talking about Peyton. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady is still I still believe he's the go the

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Speaker 1: greatest when you encompass everything. But he didn't necessarily revolutionize

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Speaker 1: the game. No, No, he didn't revolutionized Allah Shack. Nobody's

576
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Speaker 1: saying Shack's the best ever. But sometimes you talking about

577
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Speaker 1: the most dominant ever. You have to give him credit

578
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Speaker 1: because they stopped. You can't do this. We had to

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Speaker 1: change the rim, put the stanchion up because he's bringing

580
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Speaker 1: down rims. You had to have an extra one in

581
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Speaker 1: the arena, another rim in the arena in case he

582
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Speaker 1: breaks one. Like that's crazy. Peyton was doing that, revolutionizing

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Speaker 1: the game the way you mentioned, the way he was

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Speaker 1: calling things at the line, the way he was changing

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Speaker 1: in audible. Also, Daggett John Madden football had to add

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Speaker 1: the quarterback vision, and he was the only one whose.

587
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Speaker 3: Vision was the entire field.

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Speaker 1: If you remember that, that's probably like the O four

589
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Speaker 1: to five ish era or something like that. He would

590
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Speaker 1: be the entire field. Everybody else will be a slipper

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Speaker 1: or whatever they were. You know, like if you had

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Speaker 1: Anthony richardson right now, it would be like, uh, it'd

593
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Speaker 1: be yeah, it'd be like a strip of bacon.

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Speaker 6: No, he was a dominant, dominant quarterback and in a

595
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Speaker 6: very scary player to give the ball to. Sure, he

596
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: just made you guess wrong. Man, I've seen an offensive

597
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 6: lineman get beat at the snap of the ball and

598
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Speaker 6: before he can even get the ball is gone to

599
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 6: someone wide open.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, how, So I want to throw some

601
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Speaker 1: numbers out here. Those guys kind of how they went

602
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: up against each other, all right, So in terms I

603
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: had to have matchups. This is Brady all day. Brady's

604
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: teams posted an eleven and six record against Manning's teams. Manny, however,

605
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Speaker 1: was three and one against Brady in AFC Championship games.

606
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Speaker 1: Now he won both of those AFC titles. Matt at

607
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Speaker 1: games when he was with the Broncos and Miller played

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Speaker 1: von Miller of course played a role because listen to

609
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Speaker 1: his game, he had to get them there. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: the man had two and a half sacks in the interception,

611
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Speaker 1: five tackles, two for a loss in a pass breakup

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Speaker 1: in four quarterback hits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he's gonna get a jacket to go

615
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: jacket at some point here. So that's interesting. So I

616
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: want to open it up. Let's open it up. Eight

617
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Speaker 1: seven seven ninety nine on Fox. I believe there are

618
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Speaker 1: a handful of people that you could say maybe play

619
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Speaker 1: the position better than Tom Brady, and I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 1: If you said Joe Montana played the position, and I

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Speaker 1: argua believe if you said he's the goat, there's like

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Speaker 1: two or three.

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 1: If you said John Elway was just a better natural

625
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: talent than Tom Brady, especially because he could run to

626
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: not mad at that. Peyton Manning is in that category

627
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Speaker 1: for me as well, and Aaron Rodgers just pure quarterbacking talent.

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Speaker 3: They were better at that. I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 1: But I still believe Tom Brady is the golt goat

630
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Speaker 1: when you encompass it all. So that's for me, he

631
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: is still the goat despite everything we mentioned, because the

632
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: will to win, the finding ways to win comebacks that

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Speaker 1: didn't make sense seven freaking rings. I mean, he's just

634
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Speaker 1: the standard in that regard. But just quarterbacking, I do

635
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Speaker 1: believe there are a handful of guys who are better

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Speaker 1: at the position but not the greatest.

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Speaker 3: When you encopass it all,