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Speaker 2: We've all been waiting for the NBA Finals and here

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Speaker 2: make sure you check us out. Game one will be

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Speaker 2: very special edition of Unplugged with Larry O'Brien. Hope you

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals are officially here.

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Speaker 2: No big market teams this year, and I wonder how

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Speaker 2: to be a great finals. Two very deep teams. Ok

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Speaker 2: see thunder Verse the Indiana Pacers, man number one seed,

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Speaker 2: dominated all year long. My whole thing with OKAC this

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Speaker 2: but I mean, this is a very solid season. Eastern

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Speaker 2: Offensively, was very solid this year and in the playoffs

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Speaker 2: Welcome back all the Smoke. It's a little different this trip.

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Speaker 2: We had to come out here for some some business.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna do today.

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Speaker 2: But before we do that, Jack, you always look out

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Speaker 1: So it's just like perfect.

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Speaker 7: But but but last time, y'all got me some custom shoes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing. It's I'm on guard

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Speaker 7: Your shoe was the only way I showed you what

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Speaker 1: What's in there? I knew him too well, Bro, I

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Speaker 1: And the weight. The weight, it's starting off real good.

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Speaker 1: One day, I actually told him look good.

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Speaker 2: He said he almost gave in. Man, I promise you

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Speaker 2: soon he gonna take a bit, sir. But Jack today, Man,

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Speaker 2: we got a very special guest. Larry O'Brien is making

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Speaker 1: Give it up for.

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Speaker 2: Him, the one and only and Jack, we're blessed because

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Speaker 7: Man, you know Larry is a real one. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: Ye get it. It makes sense. It makes sense, Larry,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about our journeys to get to our

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Speaker 1: To start with yours.

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Speaker 1: Right that.

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Speaker 2: From there, it's time to take your your, your, your

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Speaker 1: Actually, quick story.

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Speaker 2: I'm leaving today after we're done to go fly with

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Speaker 2: Congratsto boy Mike Baby for his new job. But that

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Speaker 1: That's family.

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Speaker 2: Tell us real quick about your SAT shit and how

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well one, you know, I'll take the taps about

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Speaker 7: Was not living the athletes like. Okay, I was not

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Speaker 1: Who else was on that team? That's the either won

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Speaker 7: Right, Mike, Bibi, Jason Terry, Eugenie Egerson, Miles Simon, AJ Bramlett.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff, we had a good team.

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Speaker 7: They set it up for me to take the tests

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Speaker 1: Someone was gonna help you. Well, I didn't know that time.

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Speaker 7: It's for sure, for sure, it's one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know he was there to help me.

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Speaker 2: So your journey moves on. You don't get it chance

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Speaker 7: So what I didn't know too now I know now.

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Speaker 7: So I think I'm just gonna work out with Dane.

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Speaker 7: I'm not thinking nothing different until we get by the facility.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she drives straight through. You know. I'm like, damn, okay, Oh,

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Speaker 7: Gotta show ideal whatever, But she takes me to the

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Danny, and just look at

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Speaker 7: The forty second pick in the second round, and they

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Speaker 1: And that's when my journey started.

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Speaker 2: So from there we have to take every stop. I'm

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse, Wisconsin, that's the CBA before the D League. What

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Speaker 1: was that like? Hell? Nasty work? Hell nasty work.

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Speaker 7: Twelve guys in the eight passenger van driving eight hours

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Speaker 7: to play a game and driving right back.

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00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't no hotels. It was the worst. And I

437
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: got cut. Say the next name, Sidney Kings, Australia. I

438
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: broke my foot my two weeks there, came back. Where'd

439
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: you go? I came back home to put off the Texas,

440
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 1: went back to Texas, so rehabbed yeah, next year where

441
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: you at Venezuela Waitla.

442
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 7: One of the best, some of the most beautiful women

443
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 7: I've ever seen in my life.

444
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: Mad know it's there already in there. Yeah, Venezuela had

445
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: a good time out there.

446
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 7: When I made thirty five thousand dollars, I came home

447
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 7: with two thousands.

448
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: Gave it all to the women. I would have gave

449
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: him the two thousands, but I just had to have

450
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 1: something to come.

451
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 2: A Yeah, there could be some miss y'all. There could

452
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: be some young Jesse's out there, could they?

453
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 7: I miss y'all? They treated me so well. I heard

454
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 7: Venezuela was something for the low too.

455
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: It was. It was crazy stories too, but it was

456
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: for the most part. I loved it.

457
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: Could be Could there be any offspring out there?

458
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean it's strong possibility. Next stop fort Wayne Fury?

459
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: What league is that for? Wayne?

460
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 7: Is CBA B A two for Wayne's CBA two. I

461
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 7: got cut from there too because they weren't dealing with you.

462
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 7: I was young, somber. I came out of high school,

463
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 7: so I was young.

464
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: So is it is it you don't know how to

465
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 2: play in the team system? Are you tripping? Is it unfair, Like,

466
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: what are these experiences and stops?

467
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 7: I was nowhere close to being a professional professional Basketball

468
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 7: is still a game to me. I wanted to be

469
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 7: in the streets to play basketball at the same time.

470
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it.

471
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: That doesn't work. Couldn't do it now than two thousand.

472
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: Shout out to Pueblo on the Web and Dominican Republic.

473
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: I won a championship there.

474
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 7: Actually, we need to go back there because they are

475
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 7: building the statue for me.

476
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: They just wait for me to come back and take

477
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: the show back there and have a good time.

478
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: But that's where the kids might because isn't that where

479
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: they carried you from the arena all the way back

480
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 2: to your crib.

481
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 7: So I was gonna say that, So talk to that,

482
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 7: you know, charge to my head, not my hard Just

483
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 7: reach out to them and I'll get you know, I'll

484
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 7: give shit right. I might have a few out there

485
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 7: for real. Now, Now that was different out there.

486
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: They love they loved the brothers out there for sure,

487
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: a great time.

488
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: But explain how you won the championship and they carried

489
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: you like a king all the way to your crib.

490
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

491
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 7: This the city is, it's all they have, bro it's

492
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 7: this basketball team.

493
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling me, they die behind it.

494
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 7: The games are so serious where if you're not sitting

495
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 7: at VIP, you got to sit behind the gate. They

496
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 7: got a gate because the people all the way up

497
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 7: they getting drunk and they're ready to fight over the

498
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 7: game every night, you know what I'm saying. So and

499
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 7: that's how that's how they carried us. But it was

500
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 7: big because they really appreciated winning that championship. The hosted

501
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 7: like they carry us, BRO with my uniform for about

502
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 7: ten blocks to my hotel.

503
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

504
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 7: They parted outside my hotel all night. But it's good

505
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 7: because I get dms from these people all the time.

506
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 7: You know, they still appreciate their championship, Bro, and the

507
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 7: fact done the good stuff.

508
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: You know now they still Let's find a date and

509
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: find out when they're doing your statue. Let's go out.

510
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: You mean you say we do it around like the

511
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: playoff for championship out there could be a reunion. How

512
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 2: many years ago was that? What year was that? Two thousand? Yep,

513
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: twenty five years Bro? Every time, Yeah yeah, damn, your

514
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: sons might be a little older, daughters might be a

515
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: little older.

516
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 6: They might be twenty twenty six.

517
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, So what is the how did you end up

518
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: with the Nets?

519
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 7: Okay, so after trying out for sixteen to seventeen NBA

520
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 7: teams and not making it right before that I tried,

521
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 7: I was trying out for the Bulls and it was

522
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 7: last day cuts.

523
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: Wait did you go back in the drafting? You were

524
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: kind of just like a free agent. Now I was

525
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: just free agent, but I'm in the system. That's why

526
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: I just wanted to get drafted. I'm in the system.

527
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 7: Okay, try out for the Bulls probably like eight months

528
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 7: before I signed with them, and I break my other

529
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 7: foot the day of. I went from wearing a penny

530
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 7: to now I'm on the starting five.

531
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: You know.

532
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: Those are those stress fractures, right, Yeah, those were going

533
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: around that time a lot. Remember like it was weird,

534
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: how like it went in ways injury?

535
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I met yeah, yeah too much. Yeah, And

536
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: I ended up breaking my foot.

537
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: So it was jam like a motherfucker the rank seventeens,

538
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: but go ahead.

539
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: My foot, I damn that gave up, you know.

540
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 7: So my MoMA she had to really you know, put

541
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 7: something in me to get myself back going. And that's

542
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 7: when I ended up getting an opportunity to play summer league.

543
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 7: I played some leage. I can't remember the team who

544
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 7: I played something league with, but I had a good

545
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 7: summer league. It might have been to the Vancouver with

546
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 7: Grizzlies and I balled out or something like that. And

547
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 7: last minute I got a call from New Jersey to

548
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 7: come to camp. They had a full roster, all a

549
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 7: whole bunch of bet so they was just using me

550
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 7: as a body. I wasn't thinking that went there balling

551
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 7: then I, you know, steps soon as I got there,

552
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 7: the starting point guard Marlbarr, he embraced me.

553
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: The number one pick was Keny Martin.

554
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 7: That was already my boys, both being from Texas, so

555
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 7: it was a nice fit. I had both of them

556
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 7: embracing me, and I was playing well. I kept playing well.

557
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 7: I kept playing well till Barron Scott, like you said

558
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 7: on the show, he was like, who was this young kid?

559
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. I ended up getting invited

560
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 7: to camp and making it, making a roster. Didn't know

561
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 7: I was gonna stop my first game, but I was

562
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 7: just happy to make the roster.

563
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: So you end up and I forgive me. We've done

564
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: so many interviews.

565
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: I forgot because for a while there was some hostility

566
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: because you didn't understand his point of view. He said

567
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: it on the show, But repeat, what was the reason

568
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: why you weren't playing after you play so well because

569
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: you made the All Rookie to or you made the

570
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Rookie All Star Game, right.

571
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 7: I was leading all rookies and scoring going into Ostar

572
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 7: breaker after Osar Bak we come back. He don't play me,

573
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 7: And like I said, I was still trying to line

574
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 7: to be professional. I didn't know the business. He had

575
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 7: to play the older guys. You know what I'm saying.

576
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 7: At that time, me as a kid, I'm just thinking

577
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 7: he's fucking over me. You know what I'm saying. But

578
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 7: now after talking to him, I don't stand Now. Yeah,

579
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 7: I understand now he had to play those sorry ass

580
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 7: guys older than I was busting the ass at the time,

581
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 7: but they they with my old g's. But uh, if

582
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 7: I didn't have Steph Keen and even Sherman Douglass there,

583
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 7: I probably would have lost it because my grandfather had

584
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 7: died from my first year. As soon as I got

585
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 7: that my grandfather died.

586
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's somebody we don't talk enough about that

587
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: mental side of all the ship you're going through. I

588
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: was still trying to Stephen Jesse Jackson. I'm named after

589
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: my grandfather.

590
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Come on, man.

591
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: So from that experience with the Nets, you're confident now

592
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: you know you could play in this league.

593
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: You laying with San Antonio? How does that happen? So

594
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: while I'm not playing, were playing.

595
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 7: We play Spurs in New Jersey and it's a time out,

596
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 7: you know, it's halftime, and they warming up. Mike Mike

597
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 7: Brown walks down to the Nets bench like, keep your head.

598
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: We come and get you. You know what I'm saying.

599
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, out the blue, random tampering.

600
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Came up to, hey, we come and get you. Keep

601
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: your head. You know what I'm saying.

602
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 7: And I ended up going to play some league with

603
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 7: them after that year, and that's why I end up

604
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 7: signing with the Spurs.

605
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: How long does it take you to start getting some

606
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: real playing time on that team? Because that's that's the

607
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: team that won the championship obviously, So who was on

608
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: that team? Remind us who's on that team?

609
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: What year?

610
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 7: So this was uh two? So my first year that

611
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 7: was two and I was was on Injure List. I

612
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 7: didn't play that whole year.

613
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh really?

614
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 7: Me and Spider Uh Spider uh Speedy, Charles Smith. Me

615
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 7: and Charles Smith from New Mexico. He went to Mexico

616
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 7: from Dallas too. We both was on the Angel List

617
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 7: the whole season. They was playing him a little bit,

618
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 7: but but I was on.

619
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: So you were just working out and walking out. Were

620
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: you grinding though? Were you on your bullshit? I was

621
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: grinding because this like.

622
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 7: I walked into a professional organization where it wasn't nobody

623
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 7: to go hang out with and smoke, There wasn't nobody

624
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 7: to hide with, you know what I'm saying. And then

625
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 7: that year they had just got Steve Smith. Uh who

626
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 7: else we had? We had got uh, Bruce Bowen, Uh,

627
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 7: Danny Ferry, Steve Kerr, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Gerobley, Tony

628
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 7: Malik Rose, Kevin Willis, you know what I'm saying.

629
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: So we have yeah, Steve.

630
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 7: So that and and that's I didn't start playing twins.

631
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 7: I didn started playing to two thousand and two, two

632
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 7: thousand and three the next year.

633
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: So how did how did that? How did you get

634
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: yourself in the rotation there?

635
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 7: So the following y'all played Summer League again. He popped

636
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 7: made me back, and this was Tony's first year. This

637
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 7: is and I went crazy in Summer League, go crazy

638
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 7: to when I when I when I come back, you know, I.

639
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 7: Tim kind of started embracing me more. We started playing paintball.

640
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 7: I started hanging out with him more, and I started

641
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 7: I spent the whole summer.

642
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: This is the first summer in my whole life where

643
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: I spun it working out. I was working out the

644
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: whole summer. Didn't leave San Antonio.

645
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 7: That's not normally your hell. I no, I'm going to party,

646
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 7: you know, do my thing. I didn't do none of

647
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 7: that this summer to the point where I came in

648
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 7: this I was came in the season. I was right.

649
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 7: I was ready to go. And uh, about eighteen games

650
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 7: into the season, I was averaging probably like fifteen off

651
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 7: the bench, dope. And uh in Seattle, I woul tell

652
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 7: I start about the Seattle when I was out with

653
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 7: Shaul Lewis and something happened the night before and I'm

654
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 7: thinking Pop calling me in the room the next day

655
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 7: to get on me about it, to cut me Him

656
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 7: and Tim center room and say.

657
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: You free social media in trouble because some fists were thrown,

658
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: but go ahead.

659
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 7: He probably would't even call him up there. It probably

660
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 7: just you know what I mean, But him and ten

661
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 7: was in the room. When he called me in the

662
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 7: room was to see out. It was like many been playing. Well,

663
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, We're gonna start you tonight.

664
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 7: My whole attitude. I wasn't even thinking about starting because

665
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 7: Steve Smith was my o G. That's who embraced me.

666
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. His wife used to cook

667
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 7: for me and all that. They used to used to

668
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 7: take me places. So walking in the locker room, I

669
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 7: still was kind of uneasy. I wasn't too I was happy,

670
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 7: but I couldn't you.

671
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.

672
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 7: As soon as I walk by and I normally speak

673
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 7: to him, I ain't say nothing to him. He grabbed

674
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 7: me like, young fella, No, you supported me. I'm gonna

675
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 7: support you. That ain't for me, and you you go

676
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 7: out there and do your you know what I'm saying,

677
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 7: And him and Pop beef the rest of the year.

678
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 7: But I needed to hear that that was my ol

679
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 7: G and he supported you though that that's that's different.

680
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: I needed that. It's not a lot of that no more.

681
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot of sneak dish and the ship. Yeah,

682
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: that was my o G. So uh. He made it

683
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: easy for me to go out there and play after that.

684
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Two thousand and.

685
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 7: Three, you're playing Kobe Lakers, who you last, your three

686
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 7: time champs?

687
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: Game five tied to two. What were you thinking when

688
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Robert y missed the shot? This shot? Probably best class.

689
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 7: We always were always thinking with Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan face,

690
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 7: Tim duncan face say at all.

691
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: Mmmmm that face.

692
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Watch Tim Duncan face. That was in and out, big shot, Bob.

693
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: Can we get some we get some sound on this ship.

694
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: We can't celebrate. Nobody can't really celebrate that.

695
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 7: Sposta been al Rob hit that ship ten out of

696
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 7: nine out of ten times.

697
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: I had a bad game in this game too. M m.

698
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: That ship was in that changed the series right there.

699
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Did you want to be on that team? Were on

700
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: that team and yours already gone?

701
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 7: No, he wasn't on that team. They was on their

702
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 7: way to four p.

703
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I want to put them up three two.

704
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 7: Instead you go going back to LA and then you

705
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 7: close it out.

706
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: No, Tim closed it out.

707
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, when when Tim. When Tim do that, I don't know,

708
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 7: but it was outrageous. He went to work. He went

709
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 7: to work.

710
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Let's see what Tim's numbers were. Look at Game six

711
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: for sure though, thirty seven, sixteen four in LA to

712
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: send him home sixteen.

713
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 6: TDA.

714
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 7: He was crossing over, he was floaters, he was and

715
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 7: guess who locked shack up? Low key Maro. Kevin Willis

716
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 7: came in big time, diod He big time hashacks you, hooks,

717
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 7: pushing him and ship.

718
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: He used all six as files, but.

719
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: He made it strong though short arms.

720
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: Tim was cooking Shack. He was well too.

721
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 8: After round one shot Round two through the finals, Duncan

722
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 8: average twenty seven, fifteen five and three blocks.

723
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: There was not even go around social media that Duncle

724
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: was never the best player the league.

725
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: Commercial wise, basketball player wise, he was so next round

726
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Dirk talked about it on the show. He gets injured.

727
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 7: Thank you, Derek. I mean, I don't say thank you,

728
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 7: but brou I appreciate you. It was a whole different

729
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 7: series when he got.

730
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: Game five, Game six, You're averaging twenty two points per

731
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: game and shooting fifty percent from the three?

732
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 7: What was your mindset during that time? I was hooping

733
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 7: just happy to be out there. I know, I knew

734
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 7: how Pop was. You know, he wanted he wanted me

735
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 7: to play the way they wanted to play. You know

736
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, the Spur style, and you bought it

737
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 7: and find me. But but at times, especially in the playoffs,

738
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 7: I had to be me, you know what I'm saying,

739
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 7: because the throwing it inside, the tim spacing that you know,

740
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 7: the teams are scout to day on that and the

741
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 7: swing swinging the threes ain't falling. You got to have

742
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 7: somebody so pop star running plays for me. I was

743
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 7: posting up, you know what I'm saying, and I can

744
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 7: come down, you know, you know I like to walk up.

745
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Three.

746
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 7: He started letting me play my game a little bit,

747
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 7: and I think, you know, had a lot to do

748
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 7: with Tim having a lot of conferences, you know, going

749
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 7: to Pop telling me to give me more shots. But

750
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 7: I had to, I had I had to step up

751
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 7: because Tim, you know, he was in and out in

752
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 7: that series. And Tony was definitely not having a good

753
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: series because from Stephani Marlber for round one, who yeah,

754
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 7: he had Derrek we wasn't He had a good series

755
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 7: against the Lakers, But that series against Dallas.

756
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: He was struggling. Who was who was the point guard there?

757
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 7: And Nick Van Exell he was struggling. So if you

758
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 7: look at it, speede Clachtson played the whole series.

759
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: So here you're you're you're here with the finals versus

760
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: your old team. How good was Jason kidds? I think

761
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: people quickly forget how great Jason Kidd was on both

762
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: sides of the ball.

763
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never got a chance to.

764
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 7: I hear about Magic Johnson and his passes and the

765
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 7: way he was on the court, But I actually played

766
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 7: with j Kidd, actually seen it against him, like I've

767
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 7: never seen nothing like it, the way that's the best passer,

768
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 7: best actually the best passing point guard I've ever seen

769
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 7: in my life, you know what I'm saying. Playing against him,

770
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 7: and then later later in his career he became a

771
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 7: score with that shit, you know what I'm saying. When

772
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 7: we played against him the finals, though, he was frying

773
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 7: Tony Downhill, it was just a and he was hitting

774
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 7: jumpers and shit, his jumper ack came around, you know

775
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, And he was still fast, like definitely

776
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 7: definitely top five point guard of all time in my mind.

777
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 7: But I think that year him and Tim was neck

778
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 7: and neck for MVP voting. That's what that type of

779
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 7: year he was having because Tim was having an unbelievable year.

780
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 7: So for a point guard to be right there with Tim,

781
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 7: I let you know, j K was balling too, and

782
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 7: they had just been to the finals.

783
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: But back to back years.

784
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: So you find yourself from the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, the CBA. Uh,

785
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: year three in the NBA, You're in the NBA finals,

786
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: VERUSU of your old team, Like, what's your mindset?

787
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 7: Uh?

788
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: One?

789
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 7: I was just I was happy to be home. You know,

790
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 7: I was five hours from the house, My family was there.

791
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 7: Definitely was thinking about making big plays against my old

792
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 7: old team. You know what I'm saying. I did everything want.

793
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 7: I hit Kenyan with a nice in and out move,

794
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 7: fucked over him. You know what I'm saying. I did

795
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 7: it so bad they call carrying. You know what I'm saying.

796
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 7: I got him. Uh told Richard Jefferson ass to pieces

797
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 7: the whole series because they got rid of me for

798
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, to bring him in. You

799
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying saying, Barron Scott, you know, I

800
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 7: didn't understand at the time, so I wanted to really

801
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 7: wanted to fight him.

802
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: He was on some other ship. Was you smoking? Then?

803
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 2: This time we had one drug test then, of course

804
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: owing it down, we had on two thousand, we don't

805
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: have one drug test, and that was in training camp.

806
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I was blowing a roof off. So let's

807
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: take a look at this.

808
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: What do we have here, Dylan whiskey lips.

809
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm okay, this is all the fourth quarter. You're down

810
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: five at this point, down five with seven minutes left.

811
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: Nice past wind, so positive.

812
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 7: Positive. So before that, what was the scoring drought? We

813
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 7: had a We had a long drought of scoring before

814
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 7: Pop put me back.

815
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: In the game.

816
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm saying. So you just got

817
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: back and just got back in the game first shot,

818
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: So in your mind you're saying I should have been

819
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: in here.

820
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm always feeling it's a nice penetrating kid. Mm hmm.

821
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: That's one.

822
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 7: That's one person that always made me feel mm hm.

823
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 7: The defense who feel appreciated, Like I was really like

824
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 7: that genoa Like he really made me feel like I

825
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 7: was nice.

826
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Fuck with you. That was my boy.

827
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: This is David Robinson's last year, last year, yep, last year.

828
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: Was he giving y'all anything? He gave us enough?

829
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember how we saw a highlight tape of

830
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: him not too long ago.

831
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

832
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: M h another step in, boy, So you're on a

833
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: sixth nothing, run yourself right here.

834
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Jay Kidd turned it over, so no

835
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: king turn it over. Rebound.

836
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 7: I'm looking for you know, I'm looking ready to know,

837
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: I'm looking for it going opposite ten because I know

838
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 7: they pro the double hold on, hold on, can just

839
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 7: go back him with the ball. Look at you know this?

840
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 7: How you know he my boy? Watch he look to

841
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 7: see where I'm at to make sure I'm.

842
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: In that slop.

843
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 7: You see, he was in the slot he made He

844
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 7: wanted to make sure I was in that slot because

845
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 7: he knew I was hot. He didn't want He gave

846
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 7: me the first pass. Watch you look so so he's

847
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 7: pulling them over. He pulling them over, smart bro. His

848
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 7: IQ was through the roof. Dog kid, you gotta get

849
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 7: out that baby.

850
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 6: M mmmm three straight.

851
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 8: Williams called filing speedy mm hmmm, and Williams now h

852
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 8: light skin up, hey, but put you know the announcer

853
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 8: Bill Walton and another guy, Tom Tolbert remarker, if you

854
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 8: listen to it, he said, and the miraculars come back

855
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 8: from the Spurs and by Stephen Jackson who was cut

856
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 8: by the New Jersey Nets.

857
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Really, Bill wall say that that's dope.

858
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 7: On the same video, he's so dramatic up and walk

859
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 7: who's cut by the two bands Contino Contino and Steve

860
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 7: Francis they used to wear for all of them. That's

861
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 7: where I got it from.

862
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: This this so this is you guys, are able to

863
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: come through and beat them, revenge against your old team.

864
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: This is rest in peace.

865
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: David Stern presenting this trophy right here to your team. Like,

866
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: what's going through your mind right now when he's saying

867
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: all this stuff knowing you had a big hand in

868
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: the success.

869
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know where. Can you see me anywhere up there?

870
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 7: I'm probably either in the back when my brother and

871
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 7: them running around, I'm trying to pull my people down.

872
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere running around. I wouldn't don't even think I

873
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: was up there.

874
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 7: I probably came up that late, but I was trying

875
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 7: to get my people because you know, I was trying

876
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 7: to get my people down to the court you know

877
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 7: what I mean. I'm trying to get my brother, my

878
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 7: mom and everybody to come down. And I don't even

879
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 7: remember none of this. I probably got up the last minute,

880
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 7: but I don't remember none of that.

881
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I know this summer, nobody could tell you shit this.

882
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 7: I had my jersey on to the next morning, I

883
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 7: believe it, whole uniform, went to the club with it all.

884
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that crack, yeah, oh crack, doped up.

885
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: That's the first time I seen you this summer after

886
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: you won this in Las Vegas at Girg's camp. Yes,

887
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: and you had to throw back jersey on to your

888
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: knees like motherfuckers. Really couldn't tell you nothing. I could

889
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: tell by the way you was walking. I didn't really

890
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: know you there, but I could just tell by your

891
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: George Jefferson's step that there wasn't too much you could

892
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: really say.

893
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: Can tell how I walk.

894
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: It was strugg that I could tell. You couldn't really

895
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: tell stap shit, But I mean amazing.

896
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 7: It felt good, bro, you know, to get that early

897
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 7: in your career. Yeah, now just you know, now you

898
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 7: gotta get the money. Now you got that out of

899
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 7: the way, go chasing pivot to you bro twenty seventeen.

900
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 7: You get a championship, you get a chance to build

901
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 7: a relationship with o'ladd right here.

902
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that come about?

903
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: It's my last I just signed a contract with I

904
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: left Memphis, like I played in Memphis. I was supposed

905
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: to get what I was told by a person in charge.

906
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: I was supposed to get a three year, thirty million

907
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: dollar deal there and finished there.

908
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: I was promised that, and man, I was told that. Yeah,

909
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: and then who was that z bo on him?

910
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Zbo t A. A couple of weeks later, I

911
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: hear they've changed their mind. And then when they give

912
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: Chandler Parsons that big, I think he got eighty or

913
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: something or sixty or something. He got a nice deal

914
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: over there, but he was hurt and couldn't play. So

915
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's what your motherfuckers get. Fuck with Chandler obviously,

916
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: but that's what you get for backdoor me. So anyway,

917
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: I'm off, and I'm thinking Sacramento just has a brand

918
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: new arena built.

919
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: It's fuck it.

920
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: Let me just go finish my home, my career at home.

921
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: So I signed a three year deal there and just figure, hey,

922
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna finish up with my hometown. This would be

923
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: dope as soon as I get there. Bro it's crazy

924
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: and I've told this before, but like they were scared

925
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: to talk to Boogie from the top to the coaches,

926
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: and for some reason, I think they even wrote an

927
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: article about this ship. They used to call me like

928
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: the Boogie Whisper because everyone would bring me stuff they

929
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: wanted to don't want me to tell Boogie.

930
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest shit.

931
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 6: Like, no one wanted to tell book anything but extra.

932
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Come on, man, let me get a little bit more.

933
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: But crazy.

934
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: So they're telling me pretty much the whole year they're

935
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: not going to trade him, to make sure he knows

936
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: they're not trading them. We're not gonna trade them, not

937
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: going to trade him all Star break. And by the way,

938
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm back in Sack. I'm popping. I got the crib

939
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: on the river. It's cracking out there. I haven't been

940
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: home in a long time. I've been in LA for

941
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: so long, so I'm back home.

942
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: It's Boogie using you as a bridge between the Bookie

943
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really give a fuck. Yeah, he didn't really give

944
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: a fuck, you know.

945
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: I just I think he said me and I think

946
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: he said, Reggie Evans, there was there wasn't very many

947
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: people like he looked up to when he respected, that

948
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: would listen to.

949
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: And I just happened to be one of them.

950
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: So, you know, I was just kind of like like

951
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: kind of big homie to him. But anyway, life is good.

952
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: We're we're playing well. We're a couple of spots out

953
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: of the playoffs. I think we're a couple spots out

954
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: of maybe two games out of the playoff running. Going

955
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: into All Star break, I'm chilling. Next thing, I know,

956
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Boogie gets traded during the All Star Game. Why he's

957
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: on the like he's doing interviews and and someone comes

958
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: and whispers in his ear during the shit that he

959
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: had been traded. And I'm just like these motherfuckers literally

960
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: said bro the whole entire time, Lottie and them, we're

961
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: not trading them, We're not trading Long story short, he

962
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: gets traded. So me and Lottie have a call just

963
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: like you know, like this, you guys are about to

964
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: start rebuilding, Like I'm thirty seve you know, I'm thirty

965
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: six at the time, thirty seven. I'm I'm not gonna rebuild.

966
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: It's just like this is what we'll do. Obviously, give

967
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: you a whole contract, and and and where do you

968
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: want to go? Is there where you want to go?

969
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: Tell him a few teams. He's just like, we'll work

970
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: on it. So I'm home maybe a week and a half, chilling,

971
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: working out, staying in shape, back in LA and I

972
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: get a call when I'm with the with the Twins

973
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: at we have some little chicken wing spot and it

974
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: was actually Steve Kerr. He's just like, hey, you know,

975
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant just went down in Washington. We're gonna be

976
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: in Chicago. We want you to come play with us.

977
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? So took the boys back

978
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: to their mom, packed a bag, and I was flying

979
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: to Chicago the next day. Flew the whole day, got

980
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: there before the game. In like first game, I played

981
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes like Steve Kurt th to me right

982
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: in the mix. So it was dope because obviously this

983
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: is a high level high Shape Yeah.

984
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: I was ready, high.

985
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: Level high IQ team. It was perfect for me. You know,

986
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: I could play kind of that Swiss army knife where

987
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: I can knock down shots. I could be the screen

988
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: and roller and get that pocket pass and get it

989
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: out to the shooters.

990
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: It was perfect.

991
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: They didn't really have to tell me shit, you know,

992
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: because I'm already a very selfless player. But what was

993
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: dope about that time stack was this is ten years

994
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: from our rebelieve run. So from the second I get there,

995
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: bro the locker room, the media, the fans, the city like.

996
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: What was that team? Like? What was thatak? Like? What

997
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: was Baron? Like?

998
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: What was Monte like?

999
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: What was it like during that time?

1000
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: And then obviously a ton of you know, we took

1001
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: it to a certain level, we believe, and then this

1002
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: that team came and kind of took it over the

1003
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: top and started winning championship. But I found it so

1004
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: crazy how fascinated they still were with that we believe team.

1005
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: So shit, we're running like it's maybe this is post

1006
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: All Star Break, twenty five games before the before the playoffs,

1007
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: star KD goes down. I don't know how many games

1008
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: out of All Star Break, maybe two or three out

1009
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: of All Star Breaks. So I'm in there playing in

1010
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: the mix again. I'm playing anywhere from like fifteen to

1011
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty five. No, I wasn't starting. I was

1012
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: actually I started. I might have started a few games.

1013
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: But yeah I started a few games, but out the

1014
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: second unit, but just getting good minutes, you know what

1015
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: I mean. Steve used to like, I just love I

1016
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: can throw you in there like a mittle relief pitcher.

1017
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, super deep, Bro, but just smart.

1018
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's Iggy, it's David West, it's Sean Livingston.

1019
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: Like. It was a good team.

1020
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: And one thing I remember the most about that team

1021
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: was the work ethic. And luckily I got there before

1022
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: the drama kind of started happening. Because before the drama,

1023
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: Bro is the most unbelievable shit ever. Just the energy

1024
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: was so pure. Everybody fuck with each other.

1025
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: Days. The whole entire.

1026
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Team is in there getting treatment, lifting weights, working out

1027
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: post practice. Man Stephen kd used to work on one

1028
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: side and Clay would be on the other side, and

1029
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: you would see them doing this one foot Steve nashit

1030
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: because Steve Nash was like a special assistant coach. Then

1031
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: he would pop in every once in a walk. But

1032
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: turn the playoffs he was there a lot. So they're

1033
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: doing all this spin around one foot balance and you

1034
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: see Steph at sixty three, and then you see Kevin

1035
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: Duranton almost motherfucking seven feet and they're just mirror images

1036
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: of doing this shit. But all the lefty shots one

1037
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: foot fade away off balance, like all that shit broke

1038
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: every single day without note. They worked on this shit.

1039
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: And then you see Clay on the other side of

1040
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: the court. Clay will go ninety seven.

1041
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: Four one hundred shooting jumpers like.

1042
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: Just like unbelievable.

1043
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: Then you see Igwadalar working on because I used to

1044
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: have to work, so I always wanted to obviously get

1045
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: my work in. But there was a pecan order here,

1046
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: like all the young guys work together on the court,

1047
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: the loonyes and the younger guys at the time, Loudi

1048
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: was a young cat, Iggy had a spot, Dre had

1049
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: a spot, Livingston had a spot. I did what was

1050
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: So it was just a beautiful thing to see Bro,

1051
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: just to see how hard they work. And then when

1052
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: I went back, you know, our ownership at the time

1053
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: was this ownership. It was top notch Bro. So they

1054
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: took care of absolutely everything. Man, they had the big

1055
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: old private plane for your family. They took care of

1056
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: the hotels, they fed them like the ship. Was all

1057
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: you had to do there was play basketball. So back

1058
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: to the basketball side, of it, maybe a week before

1059
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs start. Jelan, You guys came out right after

1060
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: I sprained my ankle, right like a.

1061
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: Week before the playoff.

1062
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: Kd's first game back, Bro, I gets subbed in the game,

1063
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: and I want to say I hit my first one

1064
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: or two threes if I'm not mistaken, Like yeah, against

1065
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: the Pelicans. I was off to a good start, Bro,

1066
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: and then I came down on someone's foot, Bro, and

1067
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: it was the worst sprain of my life. I was

1068
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: devastating some KDS.

1069
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: God damn it.

1070
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: So mentally I'm like fuck, like not now, like not.

1071
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Kd's finally back, like we're getting in the playoffs, and

1072
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: again I'm playing, playing, playing, playing like I'm playing good minutes.

1073
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: So I'm hurt and the season finishes out and this

1074
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: is fucked. My ankle's huge, but I never had an

1075
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: ankle sprain that bad. So I'm the lining them came

1076
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: up and kicked it, Gino. We're up in there and

1077
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm we're fucking around having a good time smoke, but

1078
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm icing that muffle constantly having it rubbed on a

1079
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: rap and I was trying to do everything I possibly could,

1080
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: and that shit just wouldn't.

1081
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: It took so long.

1082
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: So I think by the time I felt okay, they

1083
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: sweep through Portland. They who were playing the second round

1084
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: play Utah in the second round and swept through them too, right, Yeah,

1085
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: and then the spurs in the Western finds and that's

1086
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: when I'm finally like I can run and practice and

1087
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: I can kind of have anticipation cuts, so you know,

1088
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, when you go through drills and you tell

1089
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: you to cut that you can brace yourself if you're hurt,

1090
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: but when you have to anticipate it. I finally started

1091
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: feeling good, but by that time, like I wasn't the

1092
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: rotation's already set, you know what I mean. So I'm

1093
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: from like a mental state like I'm an older player,

1094
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna if I get in, I get in.

1095
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to stay ready.

1096
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: But this is I think now is my position to

1097
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: just continue to encourage these guys and kind of be

1098
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: the OG. So I had talks with Dre during that time,

1099
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think he cares now because the world

1100
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: knows these mokes. But me and Kad used to burn

1101
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: it down in the bathroom after every you know, I mean,

1102
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: just talking about game, just talking about the game and

1103
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: breaking it down and what he's seeing out there and

1104
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: what they're doing to him. So we would always chop

1105
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: it up. So I was just kind of really on

1106
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: some older og or what you know. I'm talking dre

1107
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Off the Ledge sometimes, so I kind of just took

1108
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: more of that og, probably the same thing that Iggy

1109
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: and David West were doing to him, but I had

1110
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: a kind of different kind of connection to those guys.

1111
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: I got thrown there a couple of times with Mike Brown.

1112
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: That's a whole another story. Mike Brown played me with

1113
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: the Lakers, and he played me in this situation because

1114
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: he was more of the head coach at this time

1115
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: because Steve Kurr fucked his back up. So I'm in

1116
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: there talking to Steve Kerr and we're talking about alternative

1117
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: medicines and him smoking and trying to do different kinds

1118
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: of things because remember he had that fucked up back

1119
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: for a while, so he'd even coach in some of

1120
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: these playoffs. I'm building a big relationship, a great relationship

1121
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: with Steve curR, and he's trying like, I can't wait

1122
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: till you get healthy next year. Man, this is going

1123
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: to be great. You're going to fit in perfect. You know,

1124
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: we got a chance. You know, we got a really

1125
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: good team here, and I'm excited to have you in

1126
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: the mix. So I'm thinking like, Okay, well fuck, I'm

1127
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: not gonna play this year, Like, just be ready for

1128
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: next year.

1129
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm ana be ready and really earn it.

1130
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: So long story short, this is a series where Zaza

1131
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: put is somehow, some way Kawhi count of offa I

1132
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: did or not, I don't really you know what I mean.

1133
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: But Kawhi lands on his foot.

1134
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: He's he's working this playoffs too, Jack, And that was

1135
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: my thing, Like it was I've always got a chance

1136
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: and he's incredible. But even with my early Clipper days,

1137
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: like I was gardening Kawhi and made Kawhi work on

1138
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: both sides of the wall. I played really well against

1139
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: Kawhi in the playoffs. I'm thinking, man, I could have

1140
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: been one of them dudes out there guarding him. So

1141
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: it was really hard from a mental standpoint because I

1142
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 2: had worked so hard my career to kind of get

1143
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: to this championship point and then I land back at

1144
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: the crib basically with one of the greatest teams ever,

1145
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: and I'm hurt. So again, so it's just that And

1146
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: I've joked about obviously kind of this was like I

1147
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: was a passenger, you know, kind of getting to see

1148
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: firsthand how great this team was was because again I

1149
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: felt like everything in my career, like I grind it

1150
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: for like nothing, what injury? Yeah yeah, but again, but

1151
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: that's why it's so hard. So it's finally like damn,

1152
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm really here. Like with the Orlando we

1153
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: went to the Western Finals with the Lakers into the

1154
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: second round, like I'm finally here in the finals and

1155
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: like I have the worst sprain ankle of my life.

1156
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: So long story short, man, we shit, we beat them,

1157
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: We beat we beat San Antonium. We go to the

1158
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: finals and beat Cleveland, and it's great, like the team wins.

1159
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: But I was kind of like obviously thankful for the

1160
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: opportunity and enjoying the moment. But I think the thing

1161
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: I was thankful the most during that journey was just

1162
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: how gracious Steve Kerr was.

1163
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: And I talked to Steve.

1164
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: We talked about Steve when I interviewed him, like allowing

1165
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: the twins in the mix of twins are like seven

1166
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: or eight, bro, so they're fucking they're on the planes. Bro,

1167
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: They're in the Western Conference, you know, finals practice, having

1168
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: shootouts against KD and Steph at the end of practice,

1169
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: like it's just invaluable.

1170
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: Shit.

1171
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: They're in the locker room, Clay's teaching them how to

1172
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: roll paper planes and you know what I mean, It's

1173
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: just like dope. So I really appreciated the fact they

1174
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: came to the morning breakfast when coach Kurk was back

1175
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: talking and sitting with the guys and eating and going

1176
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: over game plan. So it was just something they never

1177
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: forgot and a tremendous experience. So again, thankful for the

1178
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: opportunity to win this thing, But it just like it

1179
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: didn't hit me as hard as it hit you because

1180
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: I wasn't actually out there going against Kawhi and Lebron

1181
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: and all these other dudes that I normally would have

1182
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: been out there in the mix with.

1183
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: So very thankful.

1184
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: And then I decided to step away after this season

1185
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: because business, a couple of things that I had doing

1186
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: business started going well, and I wasn't really seeing the

1187
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: twins that much, and I want, like, I was really

1188
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: missing them, you know how I am with them. So

1189
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: I was just like fucking man like championship team. You know,

1190
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 2: business is going good. I still have two years left

1191
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: of being paid, so I have to give myself a

1192
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: two year gap to see what else I want to do. Bro,

1193
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: So you know, I stepped away. I thought about going back.

1194
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: Me and Bob had some conversations, but he said the

1195
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: owners wanted to go younger, so they went out and

1196
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: was vouching for me.

1197
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: Even St. Steve Curve is vouching for me, the dudes.

1198
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: But they went out and got Caspy, So yeah, yeah,

1199
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: I ran him out of Sack low Key and then

1200
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: they got rid of him in Sacked. So anyway, they

1201
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: want to go with him, and then the ship it

1202
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: doesn't end up working, and I come back for Steph's

1203
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: birthday in March. I go back out to the Bay

1204
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: of for STEP's birthday and they're like, man, you should

1205
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: come back.

1206
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: So I actually thought for a second.

1207
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: They were talking and Mike Brown had called me and

1208
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: like are you serious and just and I was just

1209
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: like listen, I'm I'm cause by that time I was

1210
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: done hooping like me and this is ship when Ray

1211
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: almost died. This is when I'm every once in a

1212
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: while playing pick up basketball down at the ship in Oakland.

1213
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm blowing and chilling like damn, I had

1214
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: a cool run. So I was like, man, I probably

1215
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: need like three to four weeks to get healthy. That'll

1216
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: be playoffs and then I already know how rotations work.

1217
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: It it's probably not gonna work. So it was a

1218
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: quick live like damn it. Wish it would have worked,

1219
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 2: but it didn't.

1220
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: And that was it. Bro, That was that was kind

1221
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: of the end of my journey. So Steve tried to

1222
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: give me another shot too.

1223
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 7: Remember when I was I was doing the jump and

1224
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 7: he called him when I was fishing.

1225
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Bring in for camp. Oh really, what year was that?

1226
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 7: This was twenty fifteen, sixteen, okay, and I call I

1227
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 7: called Rach. I'm like Rachel telling her Rachel go to

1228
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 7: social media with it, and she had took it to

1229
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 7: Bob took it off the table because he was mad.

1230
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: Steve called me without talking to him. Yeah, No, that

1231
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: was rat. That was that was a he's a stupid

1232
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: thanks Rach.

1233
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: That was dope, though, I mean, I mean to be

1234
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: able to see the chemistry and how them dudes drop

1235
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 2: their egos and how fucking good that team was. Bro,

1236
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: that shit was a blessing just to just to be there,

1237
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: uh and a good way to end.

1238
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 7: So Larry just not here. We got we we know

1239
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 7: both a little bit of his well yeah you know

1240
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 7: what's real.

1241
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: Well, got a little bit of his guy.

1242
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 2: We want to thank Tina obviously for bringing this sue

1243
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: think the NBA, Thank the people they decided All the

1244
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: Smoke was going to be the first stop on the

1245
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: West coast.

1246
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: Man, it's a tremendous honor. Thanks to you.

1247
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for sitting here and chopping it up

1248
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: with us. We'll catch you guys soon.

1249
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 7: Five