WEBVTT - Here to Meet Men with Monica Padman

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have a beef to pallo everyone. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>there to me? Are you God? Are you there? God?

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<v Speaker 1>It's me Chelsea and Catherine, Hi, Catherine. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>beef to pick with airlines. I'm tell me. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so sick and tired of not being able

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<v Speaker 1>to get on fucking WiFi on a plane when I

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<v Speaker 1>have an account with Go Go in flight with Delta

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<v Speaker 1>Joint Go boin Go ship face I it is so

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<v Speaker 1>annoying that they just don't have the planes outfitted with

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<v Speaker 1>WiFi for everybody. Stop making me join and have another password.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a security thing in my phone with all

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<v Speaker 1>my passwords. There are over a thousand passwords. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>have a thousand passwords for different things, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>never even find the password I'm looking for. If I

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<v Speaker 1>go in there to look for Go Go and flight

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<v Speaker 1>and then it doesn't allow you to stay online. It

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<v Speaker 1>kicks you off the whole flight. It kicks you off,

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<v Speaker 1>kicks you off, kicks you off and then But somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I always see other people, other people can do it

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<v Speaker 1>just fine. They're they're not being kicked off. So like

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I have a disconnect with technology, just

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<v Speaker 1>like I have a new my my assistant Casey, well

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<v Speaker 1>that's Carlo's assistant. Let's just be clear. My assistant has

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<v Speaker 1>her own assistant. And he's like, the speaker system at

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<v Speaker 1>the house doesn't work because nothing ever works at any

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<v Speaker 1>of my homes music. There's just no chance of anything

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<v Speaker 1>going smiftly with music. And by the time I get

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<v Speaker 1>it working, I can't remember what I like to listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's like, oh, we'll get and get Alexa. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, great, let's get Alexa. It's about time

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<v Speaker 1>I have Alexa that does even Alexa doesn't listen to me,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't. I can put my speaker on one speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't put the rest of the speakers on, so

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<v Speaker 1>I can only play music in one room. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have to blast it and then stay away from that

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<v Speaker 1>room where it's blasting because it's too loud in that room.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so complicated, it's so annoying. I definitely think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I have a hex, like a technology hex on me,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I want to say to airline, you're already

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<v Speaker 1>fucking losing, you know, you already guys suck you guys

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<v Speaker 1>suck right now, not not slight attendants. I love my

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<v Speaker 1>flight attendance, and I love pilots, especially when they're sober.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't flights are being canceled because there's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough people working. Yeah, people don't want to work. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I don't get that, actually, but I get

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<v Speaker 1>it that that's happening. Planes are so dirty and so gross,

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<v Speaker 1>now grosser than they were before COVID. We didn't learn

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<v Speaker 1>anything about cleaning planes. When they say we're cleaning, we're cleaning,

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning before they work over the side of your arms

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<v Speaker 1>to see what's in there. Every flight, I look and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like horrified. Because Carlave, my assistant, travels with wet

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<v Speaker 1>wipes all the time. She's always cleaning. She's responsible. She

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<v Speaker 1>still wears the mask, you know, wherever she goes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I when I see her wearing a mask, I put

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<v Speaker 1>my mask on. You know, I'm like, what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Why she's right? Why am I not wearing especially on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane when the germs are where I could see

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<v Speaker 1>the germs. But this WiFi thing is maddening. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>And she just put WiFi on every plane so that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone could get on for free, and like make it

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<v Speaker 1>free so that we're We're all happy and content and

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<v Speaker 1>like lost in the blue screen. Yeah, we're all online.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's online. Stop making a barrier of entry and stop

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<v Speaker 1>making pass codes that are like w littwer case C

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<v Speaker 1>upper case zero lower case you fuck you. Who do

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<v Speaker 1>you think is coming in to break into your fucking WiFi?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is that? Especially now thirty so annoying, Chelsea. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell you about a woman I sat next

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<v Speaker 1>to on the plane. Thank god, she was across the

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<v Speaker 1>aisle from me and not next to me. But she

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<v Speaker 1>was an older woman. She chose that day to not

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<v Speaker 1>wear a bra and were a very cleany shirt, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to each their own, but I could tell

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<v Speaker 1>she had like cookie grandma vibes from the minute she

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<v Speaker 1>came on there I was sitting, I would not have

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<v Speaker 1>doubted it. She proceeded to remove her shoes and not

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<v Speaker 1>only placed them on the seat in front of her

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<v Speaker 1>her feet, she placed them on the arm rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the person in front of her. She placed them inside

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<v Speaker 1>the seat back pockets. I've done that. I mean when

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<v Speaker 1>I was when I was in my twenties and I

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<v Speaker 1>was hungover on a plane, But not today. This woman

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<v Speaker 1>was not hungover. She was fully mainlining straight vodka on

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks the entire flight and playing video poker out

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<v Speaker 1>loud with the sound on. No no, no, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking hate that. How it was. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot when people have their phones on and I have

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<v Speaker 1>air pods and I have to say something. Yeah. Thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>she only did it for like ten minutes before she

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<v Speaker 1>passed out. But the real deal breaker for me was

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<v Speaker 1>she kept reaching over to pet Mimsy, my dog was

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<v Speaker 1>with me, and you know, at first it was fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was not fine after she proceeded to massage

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<v Speaker 1>her feet, her bare feet with her hands, and then

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<v Speaker 1>like eat chips and suck on her fingers. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, we're done petting the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>But this woman, this this was the cardinal send to me.

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<v Speaker 1>She chose to go to the airport bathroom two times

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<v Speaker 1>with no shoes on on the airplane. On the airplane

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, men are like jiggling around and they

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<v Speaker 1>can't aim very well and there's p all over the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>I just was like, oh, I couldn't handle it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds so disgusting. The whole thing is so gross

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<v Speaker 1>and uncouth like honestly, and and this is coming from me,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't have any dignity at all. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>that is so gross. We were on a flight earlier

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<v Speaker 1>to New York and this woman brought a cat on board,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she took the cat out, and after everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who walked by her, she'd be like, are you allergic?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you allergic? And everyone's like yeah, yeah, like five

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<v Speaker 1>people out of the seven. She asked that we're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>around our area. I was behind her, or were allergic? Everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>And I got so finally I said to her, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you keep asking people if they're allergic if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not putting the cat away? And she just looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me and she goes, I think some people are

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<v Speaker 1>just allergic to life, I go, and some people are

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<v Speaker 1>allergic to cats. I'm not because I I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't like cats. I prefer not to be hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out with cats. But but I mean, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have an allergic reaction to a cat. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>stop asking people, like you're basically using the cat as

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation starter. And then ender you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get into the details, don't get into

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<v Speaker 1>the details anyway, Airlines, I really hope you guys step

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<v Speaker 1>your fucking shit up, because this is gross already. What's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we really need someone's calling you. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's someone important, scam likely scam scam. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It happens all day long. This is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a secret life hack. I get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of scammy calls from where I'm from because my

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<v Speaker 1>zip code, not my zip code, my area code, is

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<v Speaker 1>still from my hometown many states away. So I know

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm getting a call from like Moleen, Illinois, not

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<v Speaker 1>to pick it up. Yeah, it's pretty great wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>live in the country. If you're getting a call from

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<v Speaker 1>mole In, Illinois, don't pick it up. Do not pick

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<v Speaker 1>it up. All right, Well, let's get to our guest

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<v Speaker 1>for today. We have a great guest today. She is

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<v Speaker 1>a producer and the co host of Armchair Expert, and

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<v Speaker 1>she has a new upcoming fertility related podcast that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't show the name of yet, but her name is

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Padmint and we're happy to have you. Hi, Monica, Hi, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy to have you here. I am so

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<v Speaker 1>flattered to be here. I can't believe I got the email.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean you can't believe it? Especially without Dax.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of seeing you with Dax. I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have created a quite an extraordinary podcast. Congratulations

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<v Speaker 1>on that, because I know you guys just signed a

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<v Speaker 1>huge deal. Shout out. Sorry, I heart right, yeah, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 1>I heart fuck you. But that's well deserved. Thank me.

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<v Speaker 1>Years and years of really hard work and amazing interviews

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<v Speaker 1>across the board, whether it be a like celebrity a

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<v Speaker 1>neurophysicist as you meant, a celebrity neurophysicist gynecologist is how

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<v Speaker 1>I like to classify myself. And then you have another

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that's coming out, Yeah, I mean, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>a Jillian podcast. To be fair, We we just keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing more and more and more. But I do have

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<v Speaker 1>one coming out that's me and Liz Plank. You know

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Playing. She has a master's in gender. She's on

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<v Speaker 1>CNN all the time talking about she's the best seller

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<v Speaker 1>on like copy that how men are Wonderful and bad.

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<v Speaker 1>She's perfect. And we're doing a podcast. We're gonna freeze

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<v Speaker 1>our eggs at the same time, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>follow that process We're going to check in every day

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<v Speaker 1>and like see how we are, while also talking to

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<v Speaker 1>different people with different fertility stories. Everyone has one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. My friend just posted something and I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading and I'm like, I don't even understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell she was talking about, because I'm so not well

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<v Speaker 1>versed in fertility. No one is. No one's taught anything

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<v Speaker 1>because women related. It's a female issue, So why would

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<v Speaker 1>anybody have to educate themselves on the matter. Exactly? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see that disgusting documentary our Father speaking of infertility?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so scared. Yeah, it's pretty creepy, you guys. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a doctor who inseminated his own semen

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<v Speaker 1>into all of his patients. Not all, but he has

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<v Speaker 1>like a hundred children out there and they all found

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<v Speaker 1>each other on twenty three and me, I'm like, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a second. I'm like, first of all, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you could find siblings on tree and right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's an option where you put yourself on there is

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<v Speaker 1>to say like I'm looking, or you keep it quiet. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's hilarious. Started to diverge us, but malt

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<v Speaker 1>We had Malcolm Gladwell on recently and he did that,

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<v Speaker 1>and a sibling came up and he was like, oh my,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I have a twin. It was a twin.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I have a twin that my mom

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell me about. What do I do? And do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I confront her about? I can't confront her. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom's a twin. Why would she do this? And turns

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<v Speaker 1>out it was him again. It was again. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just like a weird fluke in the system and it

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<v Speaker 1>was just him. That's so stupid. What a ways some

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<v Speaker 1>time and right I was laughing so hard. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually had someone right into us who was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a product of one of these creepy doctors. So gross,

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<v Speaker 1>so gross. Yeah, and she and her mom are advocates

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<v Speaker 1>now for like I gotta get these people on the pod. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to look into it. Actually, that's a great

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<v Speaker 1>documentary for you to watch for you, Yeah, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>one girl who spearheads the whole thing, and she's the

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<v Speaker 1>one who contacts each sibling that pops up because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these people, you know, were married to their

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<v Speaker 1>husbands but couldn't get pregnant, so they thought they were

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<v Speaker 1>being inseminated by their husband's were only to find out

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years later that their child is someone else's child.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine the disruption. I mean, that's just like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy's not in jail, he's not he's from

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<v Speaker 1>some Republican state because it's not technically illegal. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>weird loophole. Yeah, there's a loophole where a doctor could

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<v Speaker 1>go jerk off in a room and then come back

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<v Speaker 1>and put it in someone's vagina. So that's nice loophole. Guys. Monica,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about the story of you meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Dax and Christian because I didn't know that you were

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<v Speaker 1>their babysitter. I was, that's so funny. I know, so

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<v Speaker 1>your babies have for Dax first babysat for them. Well

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<v Speaker 1>I did, I was, you know, I came out here

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<v Speaker 1>to act. So I did an episode of House Civilize

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<v Speaker 1>on which I played Kristen's assistant. Life art very simple,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had just had her first kid, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I also, baby said, that's really how

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<v Speaker 1>I make money, So if you ever need one, let

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<v Speaker 1>me know, and then she called a couple of weeks later.

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<v Speaker 1>Some then I was like, sporadically, Date Night babysitting for

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<v Speaker 1>them while they went to the foot spall and then

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<v Speaker 1>they had their second and they needed a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more help. So they were like, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come on more full time? And at first I was

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<v Speaker 1>like no, because I am an actor and I need

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<v Speaker 1>I need time for my auditions in Santa Monica, so

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<v Speaker 1>you need time to prepare. So they were like, will

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<v Speaker 1>make that work, like you can go on auditions. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll figure it out. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why not. But I really was like, I don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to babysit again. I had already babies, had that

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<v Speaker 1>I worked as a soule cycle, as a big as

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<v Speaker 1>a big departure from babysitting. I was like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love these guys. They're so fun and great. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it just like slowly started happening. Once Delta, their second,

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<v Speaker 1>went to preschool, christ and was like, well, we still

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<v Speaker 1>want to keep you around, but we don't need you

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<v Speaker 1>as much babysitting wise, do you want to do more

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<v Speaker 1>assistant work? And I was like sure, So then I

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<v Speaker 1>did that and then I started like writing stuff for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we kind of partnered up, and then Dax

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<v Speaker 1>was like the thing. I went to a podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh help, I'll figure it out. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it just like it is. And I mean, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to give them so much credit because I don't most

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<v Speaker 1>people would just be like, stay in your stay in

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<v Speaker 1>your lane, please. And that's actually what Kristen said when

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<v Speaker 1>she was on this Really, that's exactly a quote that

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen was talking about. When she becomes in videous of

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<v Speaker 1>other actresses getting parts or having different kinds of careers

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<v Speaker 1>than she has, that Dax would say stay in your lane,

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<v Speaker 1>stay in your lane, which I think is kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that phrase day in your lane because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. As soon as someone tells me

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in my lane, there is no I'm dumping

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<v Speaker 1>in all the lane is gone. But I think he

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<v Speaker 1>meant more, don't try to be who you're not, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But he's problematic phrasing. Yeah, well that's his whole problem.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he needs you as a co host. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I thought you actually maybe four das, not the

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<v Speaker 1>two kids that now that Yeah, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>since Delta is named now after a variant, that she

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<v Speaker 1>should take das. Should you have to take Delta's name

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<v Speaker 1>and Delta should take taxes. But I do love their

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<v Speaker 1>whole friend group, all of you guys, like you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have a nice, tight knit group. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of know you guys just by watching you guys

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, and you talk a lot about not having

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<v Speaker 1>had a boyfriend. Tell me about that. It is. So

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<v Speaker 1>we did Kimmel and he was like, so you've never

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<v Speaker 1>had to see his boyfriend and I I was like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so. I could not believe he was saying

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<v Speaker 1>that out loud on the show. And then he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you did a show on it and I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot. I told everyone already that it's like you forget.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget everyone knows, but yeah, I mean, no, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I have so many issues around dating. And also before that,

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<v Speaker 1>I really was like I can't get one when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in middle school and high school when I started

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<v Speaker 1>liking boys, and I'm sure it was picking specifically, but

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get one. And then it taught me like

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<v Speaker 1>it really implanted a narrative about myself that like you won't,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't, like you don't deserve it, or you're not worthy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know all those things. Then I morphed more into

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<v Speaker 1>I would pick people who definitely were unattainable, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if they started to become more attainable, if they were like, oh, Monica,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'd be like, no, something's wrong with you now

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<v Speaker 1>because you like me. If you like me, there's a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You're no hunger appealing to me. It's right exactly. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's been that whole thing, and I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>therapy and I'm working on it, and our show helped,

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<v Speaker 1>like Monica and Jess, that show helped, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>like right before the pandemic and then and then I

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<v Speaker 1>stopped doing anything. Yeah, I mean that sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a definite inside job, but I can relate to starting

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<v Speaker 1>to believe a narrative about yourself for so long. I

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<v Speaker 1>also felt like, even though I've had loves and boyfriends

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like I I there have been times where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'm not marriage material, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that person. I'm not somebody that anyone

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<v Speaker 1>would even propose to. I'm not going to have that

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm not going to have anything traditional in that sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to have a life partner I've had

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<v Speaker 1>all those thoughts. But yeah, so you've never had a boyfriend. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's really weird to say even still, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and how old are you? I'm about to be thirty five? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well good, I hope that this is we're coming upon

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<v Speaker 1>a big transition in your life. Well, if anyone wants

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<v Speaker 1>to spray my eggs, I will have some eggs available.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, I don't know. That's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole thing. But I'm just freezing them to see, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some insurance for the future, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 1>also like because I don't even I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I want kids, I'm not sure, but I want the option,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's already been interesting because I had

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<v Speaker 1>a call with my doctor yesterday and so I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on birth control for like ironically, I've been on birth

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<v Speaker 1>control for since I was eighteen or something. I's got

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<v Speaker 1>on it for my skin and then I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And she was like, well, it's gonna affect

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<v Speaker 1>your count, probably you should get off of it for

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<v Speaker 1>a few months before and I was like, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not doing that. I'm not changing my daily operations.

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<v Speaker 1>For this thing that I don't even know if I

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<v Speaker 1>want that, And so I like got really in my

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<v Speaker 1>head about it and I didn't get off birth control.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she called me. She was like, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>like everything looks good. We like your account does look

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<v Speaker 1>a little smaller than it would normally be. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck that birth control, Like I should have

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<v Speaker 1>done it. You know, it's like it's already and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know. I don't even know if I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to use them. Yeah, a lot of conversations going on

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<v Speaker 1>in your head. Yes, that feel like I shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this. I don't even have a partner, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have like why, but women are forced to think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Where did you grow up, Georgia? M what city? Duluth?

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<v Speaker 1>Like half hour outside of Land. Okay, so was it conservative?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that more liberal? To Luth? Now it is more liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like one of the counties that's blue. I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, well, you can't get more conservative, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry you can't forgotten you can get more conservative. Oh yes, unfortunately, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there were like two blue counties. My family lives in

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. And it is I mean, it's it

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<v Speaker 1>was suburbs. It wasn't like down South or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, there's a conservative undertone obviously to that whole state,

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<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't too bad. I mean, I think once

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<v Speaker 1>I left is when I really could see the differences.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I think that's the whole point of leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>is to actually expand your brain and have your thinking

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<v Speaker 1>challenged exactly. I mean, just to have your like understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that where you live and grow up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I meet people or I know, people from

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<v Speaker 1>high school that still live in this hound that I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in, I'm like, what kind of life experience

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<v Speaker 1>have you had? What are you doing? You live next

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<v Speaker 1>door to your fucking mother? I know, I know, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>I try. You know. That's my instinct too, is to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, yikes, Like with my friends who still live

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<v Speaker 1>at home and a lot of them are married there,

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<v Speaker 1>We're all still very close, and a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>are married to their high school sweethearts, and yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>live near their family, and and I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had done that, it would have been so different.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I see them and I'm like, it's working

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<v Speaker 1>for them, it wouldn't work for me. I don't think,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why I left. But for them, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like their lives will seem happy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying not. I'm just trying not to make mass judgments,

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<v Speaker 1>which I want to do all the time, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying hard not to. And what are you doing to

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<v Speaker 1>actively start dating? Are you on any of these websites?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going on this podcast so that somebody will reach it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a man. Straight guys listen to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. Yeah, we have one straight guy that

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<v Speaker 1>works on the podcast, and that's Catherine's husband. Okay, unavailable.

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<v Speaker 1>We did have a straight man that came on the podcast, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he called it. He was black, of course, because there

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<v Speaker 1>would be no straight white male that it would listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast and then stop listening and just sucking

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<v Speaker 1>blow his brains out and be like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>why am I such an asshole? But yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be actively dating because you're a catch, thank you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you deserve to be loved and to love I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know I know that intellectually. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of knowing it emotionally, you know, like do

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<v Speaker 1>you have this like you must because you're so smart

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<v Speaker 1>and successful that like where your your brain is not

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<v Speaker 1>matching your feelings. No, but yeah, there's dissonance for sure

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<v Speaker 1>at times with my brain and my but I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's an an intellectual knowing. I feel like emotional knowing

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<v Speaker 1>is like gut it all, and an intellectual knowing is

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful than your gut in something you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I feel like when you know something in your head,

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<v Speaker 1>you can infuse that into your gut and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a self conversation and you have to keep implementing that

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<v Speaker 1>thought inside your brain so that it becomes part of

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<v Speaker 1>who you are, your body, so that you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean if as long as you're here, you deserve that

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<v Speaker 1>interaction to be able to be lit up by somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>and to light somebody up is a huge gift. And

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<v Speaker 1>look what you're doing, and like how many people love

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<v Speaker 1>what you do and listen to what you say. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like imagine if you could have like a direct impact,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just gonna be so special when you do find somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So, I mean, look, I also I I

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<v Speaker 1>know that that's like what we're supposed to do on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like love people and be loved like I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's the real crux of it and the joy. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like as much as I get so

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<v Speaker 1>much fulfillment from all these things, I'm like, I'm missing

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<v Speaker 1>a thing like I do know it. Yeah, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel about children, Like I'm gonna miss that love.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never know that love. Did you make an active

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<v Speaker 1>decision to not? I just have never had any desire

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to do that? None, zero less than zero. You're coming

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<v Speaker 1>on our podcast, Well, you're actually you have I have

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<v Speaker 1>less than zero interest. It sounds like you have zero

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<v Speaker 1>plus one interest because your commitment to your fertilization of

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<v Speaker 1>eggs were what even giving up birth control, you might

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<v Speaker 1>as well fertilize my eggs. I can see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of it and see what kind of fritata comes after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Um okay, So Monica, we're gonna give it real life

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<v Speaker 1>advice to people. They call in and they zoom in

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine to give us the low down of what we can. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first we have to take a break, right, we take

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble back at the beginning of the episode, behind

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<v Speaker 1>that curtain, So just get undressed. We'll keep the cameras

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<v Speaker 1>on because this is pro This is post me too,

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<v Speaker 1>and we want every positivity. Absolutely. Okay, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>a break and we'll be right back, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back with Monica Padmin and Catherine Hi Hi, Hi. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot in store for us today. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love it when it works out that what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have talked about is all the same things that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about. We've got people who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>moving away from home, We've got love connections. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>right into it. We actually, in a break from tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>have a coller first. We usually have an emaila have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever had a caller yet? Never? I've never had

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call. Wow, it's exciting. Welcome, Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>wild world of Zoom. This question comes from Nicole. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, subject line is my boyfriend is a helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>dog dad. I've been dating my boyfriend a little over

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<v Speaker 1>a year and I know he's the one We rarely

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<v Speaker 1>have conflicts unless it involves our dogs. He is an

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<v Speaker 1>overly cautious helicopter dog dad and I am the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a thirty pound spaniel that's softer than baby food.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog is riddled with anxiety over any loud noise,

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<v Speaker 1>has terrible vision, causing him to run into things, and

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<v Speaker 1>gets diarrhea from anything that's not his own food. These

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics have only increased my boyfriend's own unmedicated anxiety and

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<v Speaker 1>cause him to watch the dogs every move, including carrying

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<v Speaker 1>him down porch steps and fear he'll fall down them,

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<v Speaker 1>and following him around the yard, not allowing him to

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<v Speaker 1>nibble on anything. I, on the other hand, have an

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<v Speaker 1>extremely playful, sixty pound husky mix. My boyfriend loves my

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<v Speaker 1>dog very much, but having the two dogs together causes

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot of stress. He breaks up play fights

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately, gets frustrated when they steal each other's toys,

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<v Speaker 1>and is unable to focus on much else because he's

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<v Speaker 1>constantly watching them. I try to respect this because I

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<v Speaker 1>agree it's annoying, but sometimes I just want to shout

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<v Speaker 1>let them be dogs. We only sleep over at each

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<v Speaker 1>other's places once a weekend because of their energy. We

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<v Speaker 1>have our own places, but he recently bought a house

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<v Speaker 1>with the intention that I will eventually move in. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more than ready to take that step, and he is too.

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<v Speaker 1>If it weren't for the animal chaos, I've offered to

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<v Speaker 1>hire a trainer. I regularly suggested that we had just

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<v Speaker 1>immersed them in more time together in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>them more acclimated. He's receptive to this, But then his

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<v Speaker 1>dog woke up a few weeks ago unable to walk,

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<v Speaker 1>and he began walking later that day, acting completely normal.

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<v Speaker 1>My dog hasn't been allowed around him in over two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning we also haven't had any overnights. He also canceled

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<v Speaker 1>our cooking class that was part of my birthday present,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a golf trip he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>take too long. I mean, this is the cutdown Bard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned that his overly cautious parenting is going to

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<v Speaker 1>cause issues when we raise our own children one day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm beginning to resent the situation for holding back

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship. So my question for you is, how do

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<v Speaker 1>I express my concern that he's too overbearing and it's

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<v Speaker 1>only causing his dog and me to become more anxious

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<v Speaker 1>as a result. And how do I get us to

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<v Speaker 1>the place of being ready to live together without allowing

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs to dictate that Timeline Nicole, Hi, Nicole, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Monica. She's our special guest today and you've met Catherine.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Monica, God, your boyfriend sounds so sorry to use

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<v Speaker 1>this word, but annoying, you know, I mean, God, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a fucking this is like serious, like his dog

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<v Speaker 1>has overtaken the entire situation. He really has yes to

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<v Speaker 1>say with love. It is annoying. Yes, this has been

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<v Speaker 1>our one point of contention. As I was telling Katherine,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everything else in our relationship is just so

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<v Speaker 1>easy and natural and everything that I've looked for on

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<v Speaker 1>the boxes to check off. Um, so this is just

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<v Speaker 1>the one that I'm trying to find my own acceptance

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<v Speaker 1>of his parenting style. But yeah, just it holding us back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So has there been any conversation about going to an

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<v Speaker 1>actual dog therapist for both him and the dog dog therapist? No,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have a trainer that will start this coming

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<v Speaker 1>weekend in home sessions with both dogs. So yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very much looking forward to that. At this stage, he

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<v Speaker 1>is unapologetic of how he is. I think there's childhood

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<v Speaker 1>trauma that I pair with it if I try to

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<v Speaker 1>really dig deep in why he is so overly cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a deeper thing happening, I think, and look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, And you're gonna be mad at me for

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<v Speaker 1>saying this. Maybe already know, but I'm not a dog person,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, take this with a grain of salt

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, I guess. But it does seem like

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<v Speaker 1>he's putting that dog above you, the human, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the crux for me of the issue. Yes, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>brought that up. He doesn't see it that way, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm seeking help of how to just bridge

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that conversation. Yeah, I think that first of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a legitimate reason to be discussing this with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Any avoidance of going to therapy is kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>excusable at this point in the world and in society,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not cool to not be open to that. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about having children with him and he's

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<v Speaker 1>using this behavior with his dog, you have every right

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<v Speaker 1>to be concerned about it, Like, yeah, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a future with this guy if he

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<v Speaker 1>can't handle what has dog walking around the yard? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it's a special situation with the dog, but

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<v Speaker 1>like he's got to learn how some coping mechanisms and yeah,

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>childhood trauma is going to bite you in the ass.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't go away. It hurts you. It will come

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<v Speaker 1>and get you for all of us, yes, all for

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>all of us, even her unfertilized eggs. It's gonna get.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna get the trauma, and they're gonna probably m Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to really impress that upon him. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a way, Like when I say dog therapist,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like for the owner, the trainer is a

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<v Speaker 1>great start, and hopefully that will work, but if it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exhaust other possibilities, try and get a dog therapist

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that can actually help a dog owner communicate with their dog,

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<v Speaker 1>helped a dog because his anxiety is only leading to

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.360
<v Speaker 1>more dog anxiety. The two are feeding off of each

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<v Speaker 1>other so clearly. And you can raise the concern obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>like you've already said with love about moving forward in

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>your life, like this is actually becoming a concern for

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you and you want to figure out what to do

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You have to kind of introduce that in

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<v Speaker 1>a way like that is a non negotiable for moving forward,

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<v Speaker 1>because the situation sounds like it's become untenable. It has, Yes,

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've they've never been left alone together, and

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>we've been together for over a year. The dogs have

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<v Speaker 1>never been left alone in the house together. My parents

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>have only met his dog a handful of times and

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<v Speaker 1>word together all of the time, so that it puts

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<v Speaker 1>a very r on our social outings because we just

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<v Speaker 1>have to get back to separate homes with the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, he could very well be moving

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<v Speaker 1>for work as soon as six months, and we've already

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<v Speaker 1>had that discussion that I would be going with. So hey,

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to go from zero to one hundred overnight?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we need to start building this and I just

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<v Speaker 1>at action yet. Okay, Well, that's actually great first action

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<v Speaker 1>for you to take. I mean, you're on the right track.

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<v Speaker 1>You sound pretty sensible pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have that conversation with him, for sure. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think there are more How old is

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<v Speaker 1>his dog? Will he die soon? Can you put him

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<v Speaker 1>down when he's at work one day? That's terrible? Oh

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>my god, oh my god? And how old your dog?

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<v Speaker 1>To okay, because yeah, we're in it. Okay, Well, I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>the trainer is gonna come. If that doesn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>then that leads you to the next conversation. You've exhausted

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<v Speaker 1>that possibility. If it doesn't work out, hopefully it will

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and you can talk about a dog therapist or a

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<v Speaker 1>real therapist, and what about a couple's therapists for the

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>two of you. It's always helpful to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>third party there who can say to his face, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little bit unreasonable. And also there's no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing as this is just who I am. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>people evolve and if you guys are a couple, you're

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna have your own thing that you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out. And if you have kids, oh my god,

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>like everyone is forced to evolve. He needs to get

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<v Speaker 1>on board, right, That's why I said, like, our kids

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<v Speaker 1>have to be able to fall down and get a

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<v Speaker 1>scrape and you know, build a resiliency and find risk

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>in that. Like, how have your conversation has gone thus

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<v Speaker 1>far when this subject comes up? How deep have you gotten?

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<v Speaker 1>Not incredibly deep. I turned into a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>passive person when it comes into any conflict, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I start to cry and then things get awkward, and

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>so things come up regularly but not in depth. No, Okay,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>well you need to work on that. You have to, Yeah,

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and you can. It's not fair to cry whenever anything

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>gets when the conflict comes up, because that puts into

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the other person in a really not fair position, you

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. So you have to do that

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>work for yourself as well and focus on that and

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>just difficult conversations help unify people, not take them apart.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something to remember, Like when you have a

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>challenging conversation, it's always an opportunity for growth. You don't

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>have to get scared and look away or avoid and

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>be passive and all of that stuff. It's a good

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>skill to practice and learn and it's going to come

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>in handy with all of these issues. So please start

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>with this conversation. You know, it is a big concern.

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<v Speaker 1>You called into us, You're obviously concerned, and the next

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>step is to sit down with him and be like,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>we need to really address this. This is our first point.

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<v Speaker 1>And now if if the dog trainer works, great after that,

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>this is the next step. This is the plan of attack.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And we also have to work on communicating better because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this dog is ruling my life and

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>that's just silly, and no matter what's going on with

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>that dog, it shouldn't be ruling your life. Exactly, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that conformation. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, let us

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>know what happens, Nicole. Yeah, yeah, I will. I will

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much by all right, bye, thank you.

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>How funny that we have the one guest that doesn't

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like dogs on our first dog question. It's not our

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>first dog question, but it's it's we don't often get

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>dog questions. Move get rid of that dog, no, no, no, no,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I know. I kind of also was like, this dog

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>sounds sickly, maybe it will die soon. But I mean,

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of why I wanted to have Monica

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>for that question, because like you're not overwhelmed by like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I totally get it. I love that

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>dog so much. But no, for me, it's like that's

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>just indicative of a much deeper issue of he's projecting

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>all his anxiety onto this dog. It's gonna go somewhere.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Even if the dog gets trained, he's gonna Yeah, and

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>that hyper vigilance, you know, it's early days kind of

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>because they've been together for a year, but like that

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:05.479
<v Speaker 1>hyper vigilance will permeate everything. Like that's something I've been

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>working on a ton in therapy, not constantly being worried

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>about what's the next terrible thing that can happen? And

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>hopefully this dog trainer will help with some of that,

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>just being like, hey, this is normal dog stuff. But

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>also they'll probably have to take a next step and

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>see an actual therapist. Yeah. I just hate people's resistance

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to therapy. It's just it fucking drives me up. Yes,

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>it's still how I don't because people are scared to

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>tap into what is dark and no ominous underneath them,

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Like they don't want to revisit that. They want to

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>think that nothing in life has anything to do with that.

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I mean, just look at what happened

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>to you, Chelsea. You're open and vulnerable and feeling things. Yeah,

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and I used to be shut off and closed down

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and angry, and I'm not anymore because I know how

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to deal with my emotions now. Some people want to

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>stay angry. Yeah, Well, if they don't want to stay angry,

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>they just don't want to feel so so to that

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>dark place and have to unearth it because it's not

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a pleasant experience, but it's a valuable experience and it

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>will make you a much more well rounded person. I

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>almost emailed you a few months ago because I was

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>looking for a new therapist, and when you were on

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>our show, you were like raving about yours and I

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I should ask Chelsea. But then I

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>found I found my found an incredible therapist and I'm

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>very happy with But oh, good, well that's great. I

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>mean I had already been in therapy, but I was like,

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>this isn't enough. I need more. I need different. I

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>went to my therapist yesterday and after we were done,

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like, Okay, I'm leaving in ten days and I

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, I am to I won't be back until September.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, okay, well dude, let me know

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>if you want to connect before you leave. I'm like,

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>we just fucking saw each other. Like this is it.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>This is goodbye for two months. This is incremental. Like

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>now I only use it for incremental stuff. You know,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through a breakup. I need my therapist. I

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>want to handle these emotions right. I don't want to

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking fast track anything. I want to do it the

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>right way. And now I'm done with you, so please,

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying you again. Also, my therapist, this is

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>so great. I go to his house. We sit in

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>his backyard. And there's a construction site inside his backyard,

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, wait, are you serious with a

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>chainsaw going the entire time and I'm like, Dan, are

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you inviting like please, people of customers? Are you betty

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>patients over? That's what I call my fans customers when

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 1>they're at the show, the live show. I'm like, hello, customers.

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Dad, are you can't have therapy sessions when

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a fucking drill happening in your backyard? I want

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to a construction site. I'll go to my

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>own house and reflected in the Reflection pond while our

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>next question, and this is kind of a touchy topic,

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>but this comes from Julia. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>a college student. A couple of months ago, I got

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>really drunk and sat on a guy and kissed him.

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I vaguely also remember asking him if he wanted to

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>have sex, to which he said no. Obviously, this guy

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>has since said everything is cool, he doesn't care about

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>what happened. However, my actions still haunt me, and this

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>has become quite literally all I think about. I don't

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>know why or how that happened. I'm assuming somehow in

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>my drunken state, I thought that I was flirting, and

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>since that point I've never ever gotten that drunk. I

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>completely understand what I did was wrong, and I wanted

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to reach out for advice. I wanted to come to you, specifically, Chelsea,

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>because I know you've been caught up in a similar

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>situation to which you inapropriately touched someone and meant no harm,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>but nonetheless it still happened. How do I deal with

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the shame of knowing this will always be part of

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>my record? Hi? Julia, Hi, this is Monica, and that's Catherine,

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>my Monica. Hi. Okay, first of all, you need to

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>give yourself a break. All you did was, I mean,

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you kissed somebody and you were at a party and

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you were drunk. That is not anything to take to

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.240
<v Speaker 1>your grave to be shameful about. You made a mistake,

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, That's what human beings do. They make mistakes.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>And what was your interaction with him after the incident?

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean after it it kind of just was awkward.

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like I did apologize to him, which is

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>one thing that I'm really happy that I did, But

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 1>other than that, for some reason, it just really like

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>sticks with me. I feel like a lot of people

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>have told me like, it's okay, you can let it go,

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's just it's for some reason, it has really

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>stuck with me. Okay, you have got to give yourself

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a break. You are going to make mistakes in life.

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>You did not hurt anybody, You did not murder somebody.

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>You were inappropriate, that is not an offense that is unforgivable,

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and you apologized and took accountability. That's it. That's the

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>end of that story. So you have to get past

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that because you're beating yourself up here, and then this

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 1>will become a pattern in your life. So you need

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to disrupt this pattern immediately and know that you just

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>had a good time. You're at a party and it's

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>not like you did something that bad. You know, it

0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>was just unwelcome and of course it was awkward. That

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>what being in what are you in your twenties? Is

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>about awkward buck ups? I mean, come on, did you

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>grow up in a household that made you feel really

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>bad about everything you did? I think so. I feel

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:17.879
<v Speaker 1>like I come almost also a very religious backgrounds, like yeah,

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that's the problem. You can't have so much shame, that's

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>been ingrained and it's not fair and it's not about you.

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just in your body now, So it's on you

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 1>to like shed that because I don't can we even

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>call it a mistake. I'm I'm having trouble even accepting

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>this as a mistake. I mean, I don't think it's

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that big of a deal. It's like that would be

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>hard for me to take seriously as it's like that's

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>something I would make a joke about, you know, like

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a silly thing. But yeah, your shame is

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>coming from your family dynamic and from your religious background,

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and you have to get to a place where you

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>understand that human beings make mistakes and all you can

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>do is be accountable for that mistake, and then afterwards

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.879
<v Speaker 1>that mistake is over, there's nothing else for you to do. Yeah,

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and I think right now, there is so much conversation

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>around consent, and of course that's something that's so important,

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>but there is also hooking up at parties. It's a

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that happens all of the time. And of course

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to take what he said, which is, hey,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>we're cool, it's fine, don't worry about it. You have

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to take that at face value. You know, and I

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>think there's some forgiveness of yourself that needs to happen. Yeah.

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I think for a very long time I was kind

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of trying to put words in his mouth like you

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>should feel really bad about this, like you should be

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>mad at me. But I really agree with that. I

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like I need to take it at face value

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and just say, like, this is what you told me,

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>that it's okay, and I need to be okay with that.

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 1>You also asked him, you asked him if if you

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have sex, and he said no, And then

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that, Like, that's I've had girlfriends who have done

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>way more embarrassing things than that. Okay. My girlfriend once

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 1>had sex with a guy and as soon as they

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>got undressed, he said, I love you. Can you imagine

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>she felt the next day when he told every fucking

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>body that she told him she loved him because she

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>was wasted and naked and said I love you. And

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>he was like, oh my god, I can't even funck

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you now, because what are you talking about? That? That's shame. Okay,

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that's embarrassing. So whenever you're dealing with something, think about

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the more extreme versions of that. You know, you could

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>have sat on his lap, pulled your pants down, or

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>pulled your boobs out and really made an asset of yourself.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>You didn't do that. You didn't do that. You're sweet

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and you need to forgive yourself and watch an episode

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of Girls Gone Wild to make yourself exactly. And I

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>think a good thing to remember is you don't want

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to go through life having no regrets, Like what would

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>you learn? What would you take away if you look

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 1>back and you're like, I did everything absolutely perfectly, exactly

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 1>the way I wanted to do it, Like, first of all,

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 1>just not possible. And secondly, like that's how you grow

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and learn. You need those moments that I also agree

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>with the two because I think I also from the

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 1>same background, Like I feel like this is the first

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that I messed up on, and I think it's

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like a learning experience, and I feel like I'm going

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>to start looking at it that way. Yes, yes, because

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be other things that you mess up on,

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and you have to practice forgiveness for yourself. There is

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>it's a such wasted time to beat yourself up and

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>barrate yourself. You know, you have to let it go.

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Just let it go. There's a book called Letting Go,

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>but that's a big read. But yeah, use this as

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 1>your first example and make this first time the last

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 1>time that you go through this with yourself and your

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>self kind of immolation of it. Yeah, and if you

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 1>do find that you can't get this out of your head,

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that's when it's time to talk to somebody. You know.

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Why does this keep being on spencycle in my mind? Well,

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for calling in. Give yourself a break. Yeah,

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I give yourself a break, Julia. Go out and have

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 1>another experience with a guy. As soon as you have

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>your next experience, that one's going to be forgett if

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 1>you know you're gonna forget about that anyway, that was

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like so virginal, you know. When I talked to her

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a couple like it was like maybe a month and

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>a half ago. When I first talked to her, she

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>was like fragile, you know, she was just absolutely destroyed.

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you need to come on here,

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and oh, yeah, you kissed the boy at a party.

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>And when he said no, you stopped. You know one

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>thing I wish we had said, I I didn't say,

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>can we call her back? She said in her in

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>her letter, he said, no, obviously, and the fact that

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>she wrote obviously means she just doesn't have any and

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I can relate like self worth, he said, obviously, he

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to have sex with me. It was crazy.

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy that I even did that because I

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>missed that part ship. Maybe she'll listen now, Oh yeah,

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 1>she's still listening because she will be on the podcast.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, obviously, there you go. That's your issue

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 1>right there, is that you don't believe that you're worthy

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of somebody being interested in you. That's why you feel

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 1>shamed because you were rejected. And by the way, rejection

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is what makes us all badass and straw bring it on,

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 1>is what I say about rejection. Not too much between

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>ten and fifteen. Once a year, Well, our next call

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>comes from Marcus. He is one that I was talking

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 1>about that maybe hasn't gotten away from home quickly enough.

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>He says. I'm a twenty five year old gay mail

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that was brought up in a very strict orthodox Christian household.

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Although I was able to move out for college, it

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>was always under the presumption that i'd moved back, which

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I did. Since then I completed my master's degree, online

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and have been working in my career since it's taboo

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and my family to move out, either before marriage or

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>before buying a house. I have two older siblings and

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>thirty one who both live at home as well. Although

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I work from home, I leave during the day and

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>drive around or work from my office just to get away.

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>I have expressed the desire to move out to my

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>older siblings and family, and I'm met with shame, discontent,

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 1>and the conversation is shut down altogether. My sister tells

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>me to wait until she's married, but I'm tired of

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>living life this way. I desperately want to go and

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a room opened up where my friend is living just

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes away. I don't want to lose this opportunity,

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>but I know it will enrage my parents to go,

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>break their hearts and ultimately lead to a lot of

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 1>chaos for everyone. I'm not religious at all, and I

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>had to suffer a lot from being brought up with

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>such dogmatic people, especially since I'm gay, which I've not

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 1>had this conversation with them yet. I just want to

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>live my life, So what do I do? Sincerely, Marcus Marcus, Hey,

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>thanks for having me O. Hi. This is Monica and Catherine.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Nice to meet you, guys. I'm sorry you're going through this.

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm always so amazed by people who are so respectful

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and nice to their parents. I'm just by I know,

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I know, I agree. So what religion are you dealing with?

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Coptic Orthodox Christian Ship. I don't know enough about that.

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>We don't know those words. Okay, So they want you

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to stay at home for when until when? It's sort

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of like indefinite. I would say it's just the norm

0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to stay until you're either married or you have a

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.919
<v Speaker 1>house to yourself. But I don't think anyone's gonna marry

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>me while I live at home, and I don't see

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 1>myself like buying a house anytime soon. So I'm just

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:31.240
<v Speaker 1>floating around. And do you have a plan in place

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>about having this kind of conversation with your parents because

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you definitely should move out. You need to have your

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>own identity. Yeah. So I've already kind of like broached

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it with my mom and she hung up on me,

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and we haven't really spoken about it, since that's kind

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 1>of the norm. I would say, like in my household,

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't really talk about things. So I don't know.

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like it's sort of like, don't even

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>bring that conversation. It's not even a discussion, you know

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. And I know, Marcus, you mentioned that

0:45:57.719 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you have to be kind of a

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 1>buffer for of the family drama as well, so that's

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>part of what's keeping you back. Yeah, it's sort of

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>like I feel guilty abandoning them because there is so

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>much like discordance in the house. I just feel like

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>no one really has like tools to navigate that except

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>for me, because like I'm the only one that's like

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in therapy and stuff. So I just feel kind of

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>like bad leaving. But at the same time, it's like

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I should leave. Well, I think you

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>should leave too, And I think that therapy you can

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>use that as a reason why you're leaving, Like you

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 1>understand that the dysfunction in that household is unhealthy for

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you and that you have to remove yourself from that

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.919
<v Speaker 1>situation for your mental health, you know what I mean.

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And you are gay. You have to be true to

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 1>who that is and true to yourself, and you have

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 1>to go and live a life for yourself, not for

0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>your parents. You cannot live a life for your family

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 1>or for your parents, and the sooner that you get

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>out of there, the sooner that that's going to break open.

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it might cause a lot of chaos and

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>a lot of disruption, but you know what, it's one

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>step in the right direction. It because there is going

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to be a time and a place where your parents

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>are going to have to accept that new reality and

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna happen while you're still living in their house. Yeah,

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I feel like I'm just kind of putting

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a band aid on like a larger issue. Well, you're

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 1>prolonging in your future, like your destiny is waiting for you,

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're putting it on hold. Because if you don't

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>want to upset your parents, and if you're gonna live

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>your life for your parents, then then that's pointless and

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a sinking ship that you have to get off of.

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 1>If there's all kinds of turmoil and stuff, they're like,

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>remove yours. I'll put your face mask on first and

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.359
<v Speaker 1>leave and then maybe it will help. Maybe it will

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:35.840
<v Speaker 1>some of the other people in your family will be like, wow,

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>he did this, and maybe I could do something for

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>myself to like, you don't know, the good it could

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>cause also, Yeah, you're right, and you could go from

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 1>being a buffer to being a safe harbor if you're

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 1>not in the middle of everything, if you become the

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 1>sibling with a safe space that's outside of the house. Yeah,

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and I know it takes a lot of guts and courage.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I know it's scary to make these kinds of moves,

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 1>but life moves. I think in terms of the universe

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 1>and energy and karma. When you really like stand up

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>for yourself. You don't even know what's out there for

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you yet, you know what I mean, what what rewards

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 1>are out there for you, What relationships are out there

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 1>for you? What what the domino effect will have on

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>your brothers and that your other family members. It could

0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:21.359
<v Speaker 1>take a long time, but you could have a really

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 1>positive impact on the entire family and their understanding of

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a broader world and not this kind of dogmatic, small thinking,

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.959
<v Speaker 1>narrow mindedness that you've grown up with. You know, any

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox religion is obviously very very particular, and you're not

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>just thinking about yourself, You're thinking about your family, and

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>then you're thinking about the whole world, right, and you're

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>gonna be doing the world a service by being brave

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:50.440
<v Speaker 1>enough to face this situation and leave at whatever cost.

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>If your parents don't want to speak to you for

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a year, then that fucking sucks. But at least you're

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>being true to who you are and that is way

0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 1>more valuable than anything else. Yeah, this is an and

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>on thing. But like you can't fix other people. We

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 1>all think we can be the one to fix everyone

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.760
<v Speaker 1>around us, and we cannot, and it can become totally

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>all consuming. And so it is not your job to

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 1>stay and make sure that the dynamic is positive, Like

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't. Yeah, I mean, and it's not like I'm

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>really making it positive anyways. I'm sort of just like, well,

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>if I'm here, then it can't be terrible. But it's

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>not like I'm really helping anything in the first place. No,

0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>you're not. You need courage. You have to get that courage.

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 1>It's inside of you. Take it and harness it and

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 1>do make a move because what you're doing isn't courageous

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>right now. You're just being a part of somebody's story.

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.400
<v Speaker 1>You have to create your own story. Yeah, because I

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>have um an opportunity to move out with a friend

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:50.600
<v Speaker 1>that I have to respond to by this week. You're going, yeah,

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you're going, Yes, you're going. You need to tell them

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 1>the email today or call him or her today that yeah,

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna it'll be this move. You've got to make

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>this move, Marcus. Yeah, right now. I was literally right

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>before this, I was like, should I just start packing? Yes,

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.399
<v Speaker 1>yes you should, and you should say it's for your

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>mental health that your parents just explain to them that

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you're in therapy. This is what's going to happen. I'm

0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:19.279
<v Speaker 1>sorry if this is hurting you. I'm sorry if this

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is a disruption. But for me to be healthy, I

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>have to move out. Okay. And if they hang up,

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:27.439
<v Speaker 1>they hang up, that's not your job to call back.

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not like let that be yes, right and tell

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:35.359
<v Speaker 1>them you're a therapist, dr handler to talk to him.

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they're huge fans. All right, thanks Marcus. Let

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>us know how it goes. Okay, thank you, thank you

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 1>so much for having me. Thank you, honey. Oh cute,

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>so cute? Oh my god? What the frothodics? Topic pregnancy? Religion?

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>What is that? Optic? I optic even Orthodox Christianity Toptic

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox second, I'm like, coptic, Coptic Orthodox Christianity. Fuck can

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you imagine living with your family and being like in

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 1>that much of a buzzkill situation. I mean, that's the

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>definition of a buzz kill. Is an e topic Christian

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox family. It's illegal in Texas. Well. We have one

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:28.359
<v Speaker 1>more question. This is just an email, but this comes

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>from Jenna. This is Jenna Bush. It's always Jenna Always.

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>You can't wait to advise her. I'm writing to you

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>today to ask for your advice about how to navigate

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.760
<v Speaker 1>friendships throughout your thirties. I wish more people spoke about

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>this specific time of life, as I'm finding it to

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>be quite challenging. I'm thirty three years old, married and

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 1>we do not have kids. I'm in graduate studies and

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just getting started in my new career. We have

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>a cat and a dog that are like our babies,

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and a nephew that we absolutely adore. I've always had

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a big, tight knit group of friends, and we've shared

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>so many amazing memories over the years, like camping weekends together,

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:07.360
<v Speaker 1>fitness states, parties, all that fun stuff. Over the past

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.439
<v Speaker 1>few years, a lot of my friends have had major

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 1>life changes. Many are having kids now, and some of

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>our closest friends have moved across or out of the

0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 1>country to chase their dreams. Everything feels like it's changed now.

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Everyone has different priorities and many are not available to

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 1>hang out the way we used to. It really bums

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 1>me out. The friends who have kids I'm so happy for,

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 1>but I have to admit that whenever I find out

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 1>another friend is having a baby, a little part of

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 1>me is sad because I know the friendship will be

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>different now. I'm aware that this sounds so selfish, but

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't help but feel inadequate, and conversations about kids

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 1>feel like my friends don't think I'm relatable anymore. As

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I get older, I feel increasingly uncomfortable in these group settings,

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 1>as everyone just talks about their kids. My husband and

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I maybe want kids later on. However, we're both in

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>care professions that are really emotionally heavy and are living

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.280
<v Speaker 1>with an enormous amount of student debts, so we definitely

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.360
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like we have the capacity to start family

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>right now. I can't help but feel so behind everyone else.

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:06.560
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, I'm happy and so grateful for

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 1>what we do have great health, great career prospects, and

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a really lovely relationship full of adventure. And love. How

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.840
<v Speaker 1>can I get through all of these conversations about kids

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 1>this next decade without feeling like an inadequate, unrelatable asshole.

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>All the best, Jenna, I know this, Yeah, you know,

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the most important Like when she says like

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:35.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm unrelatable, just just give your two cents, Like when

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>people are talking about their kids, I'm sure she has

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>an opinion on it. I'm sure just because she doesn't

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have kids doesn't mean she doesn't know kids or is

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>around them or have her own opinions, Like you can

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>still share them whether or not you're in that club.

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>And I also think you can be the one to

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 1>initiate conversations that are not about that. I mean, I

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 1>feel really lucky in my friend group because everyone's married,

0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone has kids except me, But it doesn't feel like

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that's the main focus. Like the kids are around, but

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 1>we talk about other stuff. But you can be the

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:11.439
<v Speaker 1>one to be like how about those Dodgers? Um? Yeah.

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:13.239
<v Speaker 1>And also you don't have to look at the kids

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 1>as an obstacle to a friendship, like it doesn't have

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to be that way. You can reframe your thinking and

0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:20.759
<v Speaker 1>look at kids as an additive, like it's a learning

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.279
<v Speaker 1>experience for you to look at all the stuff you

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 1>can soak up by being around all your friends kids,

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.759
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're one day maybe thinking about having them.

0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 1>You're thinking about it all like in the negative way.

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of about just reframing your headspace and

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 1>like looking at something like, oh, look, this is a

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 1>learning opportunity, or oh look, this is an interesting situation

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.919
<v Speaker 1>that I could get something out of. Even spending time

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>with children, like whether you're into them or not, Like

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>spending time with children is like illuminating. It's so funny

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 1>cool to hear their perspectives and see how they think,

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're unbespurged mind. When a kids see something for

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the first time, it puts two and two together about

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>something You're like, oh shit, I never looked at it

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 1>that way, you know. So there there are a lot

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of advantages to having friends with kids, and like they're

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>probably fucking jealous of you that you don't have to

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 1>deal with any of those responsibilities. You and your husband

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>have careers, and I know you said you work in

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>like serious kind of care situation, but you still like

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 1>don't have the responsibility of raising children, and like that's

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 1>also something to be celebrating. Enjoy your time being single

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>without those responsibilities. Enjoy your time together you and your husband,

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you're alone time. You never know what the hell is

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 1>going to happen in this world. You never know how

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>much time you have with somebody. So instead of looking

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>at the things that you don't have, please start thinking

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 1>about the things that you do have, And out of

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>gratitude things grow. You know what I mean. When you

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 1>look around and you say thank you for all of this,

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.720
<v Speaker 1>more comes and you get abundance. And so I really

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:45.839
<v Speaker 1>just think it's your pattern of thinking that you can

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 1>just easily switch around by reading, you know, a couple

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of decent books about spirituality and about recognizing the differences

0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that other people are things that can draw you in,

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>not push you away. You don't have to be like

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>your friends in order to be with your friends. Mmm.

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yes. And also like it sounds like

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>these friends might have babies at this moment, even though

0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>she says kids, it sounds recent. They will get more interesting,

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.800
<v Speaker 1>like what Chelsea is talking about, Like kids get funny,

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you can laugh at them. Like when they start to

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 1>get like three, four or five, there'll be a lot

0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 1>more entertaining to be and some acceptance that just all

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 1>relationships evolve. So right now it's because of these kids,

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 1>but it would have been something else, or it's going

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to be something else, Like you have to like be

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>on that ride and just accept that things things change

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and for the better often. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, Jenna, let

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 1>us know, Jenna Bush, I'm sorry you're going. Yeah, Jenna Bush,

0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>stop comparing yourself to Barbara comparison. Yeah. Yeah, Jenna has babies.

0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:47.719
<v Speaker 1>She has I think three, and Barbara just had her

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 1>first one. So this is probably Barbara calling posing as Jenna,

0:56:52.160 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 1>which is also yeah. Yeah, I mean all right, well

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back

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<v Speaker 1>with Monica and Chelsea. And we're back. We're back, and Monica, now,

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<v Speaker 1>is there any advice that you'd like to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>from Chelsea? So many things everything now I do I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to ask you about And I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you've covered this a ton on this show, but um, grief,

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<v Speaker 1>because you I feel like you've done such a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>job of processing yours. And I just wonder, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you lose something somebody, a relationship, a person, does that

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<v Speaker 1>ever really heal? Does that ever really go? Away or

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<v Speaker 1>do you have to just feel that for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your life and accept it and like, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of me forever. I think both things can

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<v Speaker 1>be true. Who did you lose? Does just been some

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<v Speaker 1>friendship dynamic changes? Okay? So people, you're not losing someone

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<v Speaker 1>to death? No, no, no, no, then that's why. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think grief can come in all these different forms

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<v Speaker 1>and due to all these different things. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>huh is this is this is something that I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like holding for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of friendships that have ended, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is something that you hold. It depends on the friendship

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<v Speaker 1>obviously to to what degree. But healing does come into place,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. There is an amount of

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<v Speaker 1>time that makes everything less acute when your feelings are hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>especially and I think the thing that is the key

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<v Speaker 1>to healing is to give out love, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, to give out love and forgiveness, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what the circumstances are, whether who is right or wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>just to send love to that person, whether you do

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<v Speaker 1>it through meditation or prayer or whatever the funk. You're

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<v Speaker 1>into positive vibes, like it's important to forgive people because

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<v Speaker 1>holding onto that is a crusty notion and that can

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<v Speaker 1>embed itself into yourself and become a very toxic quality

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<v Speaker 1>to be mad at people. So when things change, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to just accept that things are changing, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can be very painful. I've had some very painful friendship

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<v Speaker 1>endings that have taken me years to get past. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it all always be a part of you, but it

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<v Speaker 1>will run you, you know, the healing and like understanding

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<v Speaker 1>that people are there at certain parts of your life

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<v Speaker 1>in certain ways and it's not permanent, you know. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the heart For me. That's such because I I need

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<v Speaker 1>so much safety, Like I have grown up like that

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of fears, So I'm just always searching

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<v Speaker 1>for safety. So when there's proof in the world that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not safe, I just like can't handle. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time handle. Yeah, yeah, I get that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. And but that's also you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee the unknown, right and that's a feudal exercise. What

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<v Speaker 1>is a sagacious way to be is to be okay

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<v Speaker 1>with the unknown, to have something that like a left

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a curveball come your way that you're not expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>That is gutting and be like, Okay, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to have to deal with this. I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make me feel good, but I can deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this and to work through it and to feel

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<v Speaker 1>the feelings, like not to ignore them or pretend they

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<v Speaker 1>don't exist, or posture or anything, but to be real

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<v Speaker 1>with yourself is a real gift. And you know, pain

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<v Speaker 1>does subside, you know, even like if somebody dies it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it will never go away, and yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>person is always always going to be gone, but it

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<v Speaker 1>really depends on how you reframe your thinking about that

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<v Speaker 1>and over time you get a healthier relationship with the loss.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's good to hear. I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much control, you know, there's like such a need

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<v Speaker 1>for control in general for me anyway, and that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a huge piece of it, like all these things you

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<v Speaker 1>can't control, but you're trying to control and everyone it's

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<v Speaker 1>all it is all temporary, I guess. Yeah. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that helps, Monica, it does, it does, think Chelsea. We

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<v Speaker 1>loved having you as part of the podcast today. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming to the Thank oh my God,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the valley. Yeah, there's a California Chicken cafe

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<v Speaker 1>right on around the corner, just in case you were wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw that, I was like, oh, I love

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<v Speaker 1>those pita chips. And then I thought about going inside

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<v Speaker 1>and standing in line. I was like, not that much.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, white, who Casey, Carla someone California Chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Monica, and it was really lovely. Thank you, Catherine.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's your new podcast called. It's called Race to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. Race to thirty five. This is where they

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<v Speaker 1>are going to fertilize their eggs and give us a

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<v Speaker 1>day by day play play by day by day play

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<v Speaker 1>by play, and then of course armchair expert. Right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure expert. Yeah, Spotify on Spotify, And thank you Spotify

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<v Speaker 1>for giving us the gift of Monica Patment and christ Todas. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. So if you'd like advice from Chelsea, just

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