1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of the Buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: We are joined by our friend Pedro Gonzalez. He has 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: an amazing sub stack. You should definitely subscribe check it 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: out Contra and he's also a writer a columnist at 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Chronicles magazine. Pedro, good to have you answer, Buck, so 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: good to be here. Thanks for having me. The Republican 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Party right now? What does it need in terms of 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: a kick in the ass to actually do the things 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: that it says it's going to do. I find myself 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: in a position where if someone were to ask me 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: what is the purpose of the Republican Party, it feels 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of days I would just have to say, 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: to not be the Democrat Party. What do you think, 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: how's it going? Well? That sounds like a tall order, Buck, 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: don't be the Democrats will It seems like they're always 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: trying to outflank them to some degree. Even when you 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: think the GOP's making progress, and I think it is right, 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge progress where it happens. And obviously, 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: if you follow me on Twitter, I thought it was 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: progress when Republicans stood up to Kevin McCarthy and tried 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: to get concessions out of him that we're meaningful. I 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: thought that was progress, But then you check the headlines, 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: you check the stories that are coming out, you know, 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: day after day, and it really just seems like it's 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: revert to the norm, which is, as someone said, the 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: GOP is just the Democratic Party driving the speed limit. 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't think it actually happens 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: on its own. I don't think it's it's you're talking 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: about institutional inertia. If uninterrupted, the GOP just goes in 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: this direction. And ultimately it's up to the base. It's 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: up to the GOP's voters to say no, to do 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: more than just say stand athwart, but to actually change something. 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: And I'll give you one example before you can coming 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: off after the R and C fight, because obviously most 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: Republican voters are happy with the R and C. They 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: don't like Rona Romney McDaniel. You saw a remarkable amount 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: of outrage from the base after Rona was reelected. And 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: one person in particular, who I think most people can 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: agree has done a lot for the GOOP, Scott Pressler, 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: who literally travels around the country to sign people up 41 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: to vote. He said, I'm not going to complain about 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the vote going sideways, but I am going to try 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: to build infrastructure to basically bypass the R and C 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: and rhetoric useless. And I think that's the kind of 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: attitude that Republican voters need to have. So what does 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: that look like going forward? Who in your mind should 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: be the standard bearer or the standard bearers. I don't 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: think it just has to be one person, say the 49 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: presidential nominee for the Republicans, who's getting it done on 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: the broad team that we could call the right. Yeah, 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: that's a good question, and it's tough to answer because again, 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I think we've almost overlooked the shake up that happened 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: over the last month or so between the fight of 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: the House Speaker and the fight of the RTC, because 55 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like people don't want to 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: acknowledge what just happened. You know, you had Marjorie Taylor 57 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Green coming down on the wrong side of the twenty, 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: calling them or saying that they were taking they were 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: taking the country hostage. And this is a really uncomfortable 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: thing to discuss, right because everyone loves MTG. I've defended 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: her and written in support of her, but then at 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: this really pivotal moment, she's kind of doggedly going after 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the twenty for threatening Kevin McCarthy speakership, And that was 64 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: a really uncomfortable moment. You know, all of these talking 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: heads suddenly turned against the Republicans, who everyone was saying, like, wait, 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: hold on, those twenty Republicans seem like they're doing something 67 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: that's pretty maga right now, standing up to the GOP establishment. Right, 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: so there was a real shake up. It was like 69 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: the world got turned upside down. So to answer your question, 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I think that most Republicans can 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: that the most interesting things that are happening right now 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: are happening in Florida. Revolver News, which is run by 73 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Darren Beatty, who is, you know, very publicly outspokenly pro Trump, 74 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: just published a piece about how the institutional capture that 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: DeSantis and his team are conducting down in Florida, specifically 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: with colleges and schools. It's a blueprint for how to 77 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: recapture other institutions. So it really seems like Florida and 78 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: whatever DeSantis's team is doing right now is kind of 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: like where most of us can look for an example 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of people that don't just talk, but they do. Yeah. 81 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: I think one of my frustrations on the right, Pedro 82 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: having done this now for over going on twelve thirteen years, 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 1: is how widespread certain ideas were about how we should 84 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: fight and about what it looks like that I think 85 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: have been shown to be not just wrong, but damned wrong, foolhardy. 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, one of them is the idea that we 87 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: can just fight to have fair treatment in institutions. We 88 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: just want to be treated fairly in this, you know, 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: in the schools meaning our ideology, you know, conservatives, you know, 90 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: we just want social media companies, you know, just basically 91 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: be fair, be nice to us, without understanding that the 92 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: opposition we face lives for, i mean, exists for the 93 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: raw exercise of power. And then if you see all 94 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: these institutions, to them, the demand for fair treatment is 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: really just a demand to be punched in the face 96 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: slightly less hard. Yeah, that's right. It's it's like saying 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: stop hitting me when you're being pubbled. That's really what 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: that is. And sometimes it's said more explicit explicitly, and 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: I understand the sentiment behind slogans like the right just 100 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: wants to be left alone, and you know, like basically 101 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: that that's I think that's a slogan that you hear, 102 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Like the right wants to be left alone like the 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and the left wants to like, you know, tell us 104 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: what to do or whatever. I'm sorry to say, but 105 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: nature hates a vacuum, and in in a vacuum, something 106 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: will fill it. And if you really think, if your 107 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: whole worldview revolves around I just want to be left alone, well, 108 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: someone is not going to leave you alone. You have 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: to use power, You have to use institutions to protect yourself. 110 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: And ultimately, again, there is no such thing as neutral institutions. 111 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: The institutions are political and as such, they're going to 112 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: be connected to some kind of worldview. And I think 113 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: that the right has put itself in a really bad 114 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: spot by convincing itself that institutions, especially political ones, can 115 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: ever be neutral. Again, this is something that we're accustomed 116 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: to associating with the left, forcing your worldview on people 117 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: and things like that. Well, I think the way that 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: the right needs to think is, actually, we are the 119 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: ones that can build a better country, were the ones 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: that can govern morally and correctly and in a way 121 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: that's conducive to human flourishing. Instead of saying I just 122 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: want to be left alone. I think that that's actually 123 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: what we need to tell ourselves. So so where do 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: you think this cognitive dissonance kicks in? Because or how 125 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: you were mentioned before Marguerite Taylor Green and the twenty 126 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: rebels within the Congress and that which which played out 127 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: recently and still ended up with Kevin McCarthy speaker and 128 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Ron McDaniel is RNC chair, right, So for all of 129 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: the pushing and pushing back and everything else, we still 130 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: have two very establishment GOP figures in the roles they 131 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: previously had. Now, I know the rebels would say they 132 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: got some concessions from McCarthy. I'm sure Ron McDaniel has said, 133 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, she'll spend less money at at you know, 134 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: Bergdorf Goodman or whatever. And I'm sure that there's like 135 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: something that she's promised that she'll do, you know, on 136 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: personal expenditures, will go down whatever. But it feels to 137 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: me like like the base gets so d agree, you know, 138 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: and you know I speak to the base every you 139 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: write for the base, and you know you you speak 140 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: to them on podcast when Tucker Show, I speak the 141 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: base on radio every day and they get so angry 142 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: about the establishment, the sellouts and the and the Mitch 143 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: McConnell's and the Lindsay Grahams and uh, and then they 144 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: vote for them. And and I mean one one situation 145 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: that I know you've speaking of being on Tucker Show. 146 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: You dealt with this one pretty recently, where Lindsay Graham 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: is in so many he's horrible on immigration, he has 148 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: never seen a war, he doesn't want other people to fight, 149 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: and yet he's invited to like tea time at Mara 150 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: Lago every other day and is somehow still accepted by 151 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: the base, and they still keep voting this guy in 152 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: every six years in South Carolina. So you know, do 153 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: they want anti establishment politicians or do they just like 154 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: to believe that they want anti establishment politicians? But at 155 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, they're going to go with 156 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: the brands they know and trust, do you know what 157 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, No, I think that's that's a good point. 158 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: And I think you can't scount because obviously there are 159 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: there are other factors like exactly something like we could 160 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: describe as political inertia, where like you said, it's just 161 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: the brand, right, I'm going to vote our no matter what. 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think it's important to 163 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: acknowledge that there are really powerful political machines around these people, 164 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: especially guys like Lindsay Graham, that exist basically just to 165 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: keep him in power in the same way. Again, I'm 166 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: going to say this until I'm blow in the face, 167 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: but people have totally forgotten that. In the lead up 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: or ahead of the midterms, the political machine around Kevin 169 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy was spending a lot of money attacking candidates to 170 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: his right who were viewed as potential threats to his leadership, 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: like Anthony Sabbatini in Florida and Joe Kenton Washington. I 172 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: don't think you can discount that. And guys like Graham 173 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: have these machines too. I mean, there are so many stories. 174 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: If you talk to people who are political operatives, and 175 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: they'll tell you about guys like Graham undercutting candidates or 176 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: making sure that somebody else gets indoors too if they 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: get into office, they're not going to be a threat 178 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: to someone like him. Like this stuff happens, and it's 179 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: part of the reason why it's so difficult to actually 180 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: change things, because at the end of the day, you're 181 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: forced to vote for someone like Graham, right, And this 182 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: is a point that I made to people that were 183 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: criticizing the challengers to Kevin McCarthy, like Mike Lindell and 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: Harmy Dylan. You know, people were saying, I think it 185 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: was really unfair, like, you know, the Harmy's a crypto 186 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: leftists or Michael Lindell's a madman or whatever, and so 187 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: I guess we have to go with Kevin McCarthy. And 188 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was outrageous, and I said my point 189 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: rebuttal to that was you shouldn't be forced to vote 190 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: for Kevin McCarthy anyway, like you're given. It's basically like 191 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: a false choice. It's like, well, I guess we have 192 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: to go with Lindsay Graham. I guess we have to 193 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: go with Kevin McCarthy. If you have to go with that, 194 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: there's something fundamentally wrong. And I think that the and 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: I defended both Harmy and Mike, I should say, because 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: I thought that stuff was just unfair. But that I 197 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: think was the promise of Trump, right, is that you're 198 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: going to have a kind of battering ram that that 199 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: can punch a hole in the door of the establishment 200 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: and make way for populace to get in. And so 201 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: we did have guys like Jade Vance that ended up, 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, getting an office, but we had many more 203 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that didn't. And at the end of the day, again 204 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: this is one of those uncomfortable truths that people kind 205 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: of want to skip over. But at the end of 206 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: the day, Trump came down on the side of Kevin McCarthy, 207 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: he came down on the side of Rona Romney McDaniel, 208 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and he ultimately came down on the side of Lindsay 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Graham recently, who he gave a full throated endorsement at 210 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: his first rally ahead of twenty twenty four. Yeah, it's 211 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: just it's amazing some of the people that will get 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: the most angry, you know, online or with their phone 213 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: calls into shows or whatever about the establishment and why 214 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: you're sounding to establishment, you know, why are you saying 215 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: this or whatever, and then they go and vote for 216 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham and I sit here, I go I don't 217 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't get it. You know, there's there's something, there's 218 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: some kind of a disconnect here. 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What should an America 245 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: First agenda look like, whether it's Trump or someone else 246 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: as the standard bearer of it going into twenty twenty four? 247 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: What should be at the top of the agenda? What 248 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: does it look like? Well? I hate to be terribly unoriginal, 249 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: but I don't think that there's a secret sauce here. 250 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I think that you can look at the twenty sixteen 251 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: platform that Trump had, you can look at the Buchanan 252 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: movement and what you know, what Buchanan wanted, and we 253 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: still we still want those things. You know, we still 254 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: want a foreign policy that's actually consistent with the American 255 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: the national interests of the actual American people as opposed 256 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: to the interests of the DC blob and the defense industry. Right, 257 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: we still don't really have that. I mean, case in 258 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: point Ukraine. You know, the United States and Americans have 259 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: been shoehorned into supporting this war, and it continues to 260 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: escalate and we don't have a say in it. I remember, 261 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: at the outside of the war, Mitch McConnell, I think, 262 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: was responding to questions about basically, well, what he thought 263 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: about Tucker Carlson, you know, immediately coming out against US 264 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: involvement in this war. Mitch McCall's answer was something to 265 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: the effect of like, well, we don't basically, we don't care. 266 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: We're going to stand with Ukraine, you know, which things insane. 267 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: Let's let's digress for a second here into Ukraine for 268 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: a moment, because one aspect of that that I think 269 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: doesn't get anywhere near enough attention is that there is 270 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: still to this day not any realistic end state that 271 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: I've heard the American foreign policy establishment in the Biden 272 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: White House talk about. Because the destruction of the Russian 273 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: war machine and its total removal from all parts of Ukraine. 274 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: I assume now although I don't know, but no one 275 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: seems to know, to include CRIMEA or there was a referendum, 276 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: even though they can say it was under forced, they 277 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: held a referendum. You know, there's going to be a 278 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: tough time I think convincing the Russians that it wasn't 279 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: a referendum, that this is something that we won know 280 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: where it should go. And two, the reason I was 281 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: here for why we have to spend one hundred billion 282 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: dollars a year, which is what we're doing right now, 283 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: meaning the taxpayers are sending one hundred billion dollars of 284 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: material and money and everything else, is that otherwise it 285 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: won't stop with Ukraine. And to this, I'm surprised, or 286 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: maybe I should say I'm a little just taken aback 287 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: because NATO exists within defined borders for a reason. Ukraine 288 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: is not in NATO. So the expectation is that it 289 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: would be different if they invaded Poland. But yet we're 290 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: told Poland is next, and they're having a hard enough 291 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: time with Ukraine. So I just don't feel like it 292 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: adds up. I feel like no one's being honest with us. No, 293 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: that's right, and I think it's it's even more shocking 294 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: when when you pay attention to these stories about There 295 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: was a prominent Israeli politician who said that he had 296 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: been attempting to mediate peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, 297 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: but the peace talks were called off by the West. 298 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: He didn't say specifically who, but he just said that 299 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: my attempt to mediate between Putin and Zelinski were undermined 300 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: by the West, which is I think another way of 301 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: saying the United States, and that's corroborated by the British 302 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Prime Minister basically saying the same thing, telling Zolenski there 303 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: will be no peace talks with Putin. I mean, like 304 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: that is a huge, huge, uncomfortable thing for Americans to accept, 305 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: right that their government is telling them like, we're on 306 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: the right side of history, blah blah blah, We're for peace, 307 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, we just want to stop the fighting. And 308 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: then to find out from these other politicians around the 309 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: world who are actually trying to meet, like negotiate some 310 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: kind of of of of an end to this war 311 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't you know, result in regime change in Russia 312 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: or some other kind of catastrophic escalation, and you come 313 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: to find that the United States is like quietly, the 314 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: United States government rather obviously American people don't support this, 315 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: but the United States government is actively undermining that because again, 316 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: the national or the foreign policy objectives of Washington, DC 317 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: are different from and not consistent with what the American 318 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: people want, and so I that mean, again, to go 319 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: back to your question, we want foreign policy that's consistent 320 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: with the actual American interests, right, the interests of the 321 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: American polity, not the empire, which ultimately that this was. 322 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: That is what this is about about American hegemony, or 323 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: rather DC's hegemony. And the other obvious one that we're 324 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: still you know very much that we really want is immigration. 325 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Like we didn't get the border wall, we didn't get 326 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: lasting immigration reform, right, Like, it's not I think this 327 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: is really important. It's not just about building the wall 328 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: and stopping you legally illegal immigration. We also want to 329 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: reform the illegal immigration system. You know. It's like Democrats 330 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: will say that, you know, no person as illegal. Republicans 331 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: will say, well, you know, one billion immigrants is fine 332 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: as long as they all come here illegally. They're both bad. 333 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: And we have not affected meaningful, lasting immigration policy that's 334 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: consistent with the America First mandate. I still want that. 335 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: I want to ask you more about the immigration issue. 336 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: This is something that I'm both fascinated by and somewhat 337 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: fixated on. On a policy side of things, I think 338 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: Republicans lack both an understanding, and then tied to that 339 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: a sense of urgency of just what's going on with 340 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the Biden border and how bad it is and what 341 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: the real circumstances and I want to get into it. 342 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: And then of course they're Republicans who I think, whether 343 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: they're quiet about it or not, want this to be 344 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: perpetuated because of corporate donors and business trists that want 345 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: just an endless supply of cheap labor. We'll get to 346 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: that though in one second. 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Or 372 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: you can just call one eight hundred LifeLock our padro soap. 373 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: You brought up something very interesting, which is that there 374 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: also needs to be a conversation about excessive legal immigration 375 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: and what that means for our countries, cohesiveness, for the 376 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: assimilation processes that we've all known we're necessary. In previous 377 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: major immigration waves to the country. What we're seeing right 378 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: now is unprecedented. Though. You have millions of people coming 379 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: across the border, literally millions, five million in the last 380 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: two years, over five million. And it seems that Republicans, 381 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, keep thinking about this in terms of, well, 382 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: if we can slow down the flow, then we'll be 383 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: in a better position to deal with the problem if 384 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: they're unwilling, I mean, with the fundamental position that I 385 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: think nobody will talk about, really talk about, is if 386 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: you're not willing to tell people who are in the 387 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: country illegally that they have to leave, you're just going 388 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: to get endless loads of people illegally coming into the country. 389 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: And the Biden administration not only is the border wide open, 390 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: interior enforcement has basically disappeared. I mean, for all intents 391 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: and purposes, there is no interior enforcement to speak of, meaning, 392 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: once you're here, you're good. If that's the case, we 393 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: can build whatever walls, moats, you know, you name it. 394 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: People are going to find a way to get here. 395 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: If they can stay here, that's that's game over. Yeah, now, 396 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, And I think that's I was actually 397 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day that you notice that 398 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: you don't really hear about that from Republicans anymore. It's 399 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: always like secure the board, to secure the border, okay, 400 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: and then what what about the what about all of 401 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: the people. I think the estimates are in the millions, 402 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: the amount of people that have come here illegally, just 403 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: in spid Biden has been president. It's the last time 404 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: I heard to figure, it was between three and five millions. 405 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: It's five at least with the gotaways, it's at least 406 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: five million. Now. Yeah, so what happens after you build 407 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: the wall? And Republicans haven't said anything, and because the 408 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: obvious answer is, well, you have to deport these people, 409 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: but that's obviously somewhere that there. It seems like they're 410 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: not ready to go there. And I mean, again, I 411 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: don't think I think the Trump administration serves as an 412 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: example of what happens why it's important to not just 413 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: basically talk about, you know, getting tough on crime or immigration, 414 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: but actually doing it. And so here's an example, under 415 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: Chad Wolfe, who was running Trump's DHS, discretionary funding that 416 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: could have been cut from sanctuary cities basically as punishment 417 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: for being in violation of federal immigration laws. Was still 418 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: given to them. Trump's DHS was still funding sanctuary cities 419 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: even though it was in their power to withhold that 420 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: there were there were no efforts to really and I 421 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: mean this is another thing that most people have no idea, 422 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: but Interior enforcement had also essentially collapsed under Trump. Interior 423 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: form is not just catching guys at the border, but 424 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: people basically removing people from what it sounds like the 425 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: interior of the United States that also essentially collapsed under him, 426 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: and part of it had to do with sanctuary cities. 427 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: So again, you hear this all the time, build the wall, 428 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: build the wall, Okay, and then what yes, and it 429 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: just seems like Republicans are really uncomfortable with going there. 430 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: But you do hear all the time talking about amnesty. 431 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean as late as twenty I mean in twenty 432 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: nineteen there was actually talked about amnesty between Lindsay Graham 433 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: and Jared Kushner. And then I think Lindsay Graham is 434 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: actually a great example of the legal immigration problem as well. 435 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: And I've said this before, I'll say it again. In 436 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: the early days of COVID, Lindsay Graham was pushing with 437 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: the Trump White House to increase the number of EB 438 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: five visas that are available annually by six fifty percent. 439 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: These are visas that are most that mostly go to 440 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: wealthy Chinese investors, and they effectively allow you, they allow 441 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: you to buy a green car, and they're often connected 442 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: to like real estate development scamps in the United States. 443 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: And so the plan was to increase the number of 444 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: those visas that mostly go to the Chinese by six 445 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: while lowering the amount of money it would take to 446 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: buy one, basically making it cheaper to buy America. Right. 447 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: And ironically it probably died because of the coronavirus because 448 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, you can't do a visa giveaway for the 449 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Chinese when you're talking about the chinavirus. Right. But that's 450 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: an example. That's that's a legal program. It is legal 451 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: to sell green cards. That's not okay that it completely 452 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: degrades the stalius of citizenship. Well, this is AMMI problem. 453 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: You know. This is also where where I think there's 454 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: an unwillingness on the right, never mind among Democrats to 455 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: really speak about I mean, this is this is all 456 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: frame it for people say, okay, so let's talk about immigration. 457 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Would America still be or actually it's even easier to 458 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: take a smaller country, like you take a country the 459 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: size of Oh, I don't know Sweden. Let's say, right, Sweden, 460 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: I think has ten million people live in Sweden something 461 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: like that? Does it's not about right, should Sweden be 462 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: concerned about taking in two million immigrants from all over 463 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the world? Is that something that's okay? 464 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: And people say yes, that will say what about five million? 465 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: Because that would be easy. Sweden's got a why is 466 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: that a bad thing? And people will start to saying, well, 467 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, there's okay. Well, so so there's something there. 468 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: When you bring up in the context of American immigration, 469 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: is there any even on the illegal immigration side? What 470 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: is the downside of illegal immigration? Democrats will say there 471 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: is none that they won't admit. Is there any downside? 472 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Is it expensive? Do they commit more crimes than native 473 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: born Americans? Or anything? If you look at it, is 474 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: there a problem? Does it? Does it strain the public 475 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: services system anywhere? No? They'll say no, they do the 476 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: jobs Americans won't do, and they make us all richer, 477 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: and they make us a better country. And you say, okay, 478 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: so then why don't you just pass a law that 479 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: anybody can come here like what's if there's no downside, 480 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: why do we have immigration laws? This is what I 481 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: always returned to. If no one's willing to admit that 482 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: there can be any problem with too many people come 483 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: into the country at one time in you know, and 484 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: and overwhelming assimilation system, I just feel like we have 485 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: to go back to very basic conversations about what is 486 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: the purpose of an immigration system. Isn't it to benefit 487 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: the people already here, or is it just to be 488 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: the world's you know, soup kitchen and welfare award? Yeah? Yeah, 489 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: Well this goes back to the the talk that the 490 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: right needs to have about political institutions and whether or 491 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: not they can they can be neutral. And I think 492 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: that maybe we confuse neutrality with something that has to 493 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: happen before you can even have something that resembles neutrality. 494 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: And what that what that is is is a basic 495 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: agreement on the fundamentals. There's a difference between disagreeing on like, 496 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, tax rates, you know, uh, and and 497 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: there's a difference between that like we disagree how much 498 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: you know should be taken out of your paycheck to 499 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: fun social programs, and disagreeing on whether or not we 500 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: should have borders, and when people who don't believe we 501 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: should have borders or are much closer to that position, 502 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: are in positions of power. When you have you know, 503 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: people who are actually you know, ideologically pretty pretty out 504 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: there like Biorchis, it becomes impossible to basically have cohesive 505 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: immigration policy. And that's precisely why. And I think the 506 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: right needs to understand that you can, you can have disagreements. Yes, 507 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: obviously those are healthy, but basically America is one country 508 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: that is actually home to two different nations, and it 509 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: seems like one nation understands that reality, the left, which 510 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: is why they're trying to like take control of everything 511 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: and you know, force their worldview on us, and the right, 512 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: which is often kind of either in denial of it 513 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: or just wants to be left alone. Yeah. I think 514 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: that's very I think that's very A student, I would 515 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: just say I'm trying to always tell people on our 516 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: team broadly speaking, Pedro that while it's worthwhile, and maybe 517 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: you could even argue somewhat necessary to just always point 518 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: out that the left engages in you know, their their hypocrites. 519 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the most obvious versions of this are you know, oh, 520 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: they care about climate change, but they all fly on 521 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: private jets, you know. I mean, this is this is 522 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: true in a whole range of issues. But what I 523 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: always try to remind people on the right is that 524 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: the leftist mind isn't troubled by that because their feeling 525 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: is they are better people, they deserve to live a 526 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: better life, and the peasants the every day they actually 527 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: have to do what they're told. And so it's fine 528 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: that there is this stratification there. It's fine that there 529 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: is this system. You know, Nancy Pelosi doesn't believe that 530 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: she should have illegal immigrants in her neighborhood. The whole 531 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: point is that other people, you know, and let's say 532 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: a lot of non college educated whites who are doing 533 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, more manual labor, they should have illegal immigrants 534 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: in their neighborhoods. And that is fair, right, and that 535 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: that's actually the way the left approaches these things. So 536 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: while while we can point to the hypocrisy all the time, 537 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: they actually view our politics as a spoils system and 538 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: they want to they get to sit atop it and 539 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: feel good about themselves for sacrificing the schools or emergency 540 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: rom axis or you know, whatever crime depending on the 541 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: issue we're talking about. It's not dis immigration, it's on 542 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: everything that they then know that the hypocrisy is the 543 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: point is basically the underlying premise. I think pointing out 544 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: hypocrisy is kind of like indulging in like chocolate or 545 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: something like that. It makes you feel good because it 546 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: makes you feel like you've got the moral high ground. 547 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: And I don't blame people for doing that because it's 548 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: learned right, That's that's what you're taught by. But that's 549 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: that's what the conservative movement has done for so long 550 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: to kind of comfort itself with basically losing gracefully. Um, 551 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: But I think it, like I said before, I think instead, 552 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: what we have to do is we have to look 553 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: at the you know, the edifice that the left has built, 554 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: which is I mean it is hierarchical. Uh. And like 555 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson once pointed out with the whole Lobster analogy, 556 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: hierarchy is just part of nature, I think. And so 557 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 1: what the right has to do is to look at 558 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: that and think to itself, we can build a better 559 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: we can build a better America. We can we can 560 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: build a better country for our children than than someone 561 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: like Nancy Pelosi can and I think that we just 562 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: don't have that because again the attitude is that the 563 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: Left is hypocritical. If we were, if we were in power, 564 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: we would just leave everybody alone. But I mean, that's 565 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: how you get um, you know, drag Queen Story Hour, 566 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: That's how you get open borders, That's how you get 567 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Do you think that that COVID 568 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: and the excesses, because it really was medical authoritarianism. I mean, 569 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: it got completely insane, as you and I both know 570 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: it went. It went to levels beyond in the early 571 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: days what I thought would even be possible, and that 572 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: people went along with it is still to their everlasting shame. 573 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: And people that promoted this stuff demanded this stuff of 574 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: other individuals, you know, mask up between bites, stand in 575 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: line outside six feet apart. I mean, this stuff was 576 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: all for idiots. Honestly, it was idiocy. From the beginning, 577 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: it was obvious this stuff was moronic beyond words. And 578 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: I still remember going to a Whole Foods in New 579 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: York City at the very peak, like March or twenty twenty, 580 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: and they had all these people standing outside. It was 581 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: really cold, and learned. I was like, who thinks that 582 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: this is going to do anything to slow down a virus. 583 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, how long we're really going to go through 584 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: the charade anyway. I mean I remember going through this 585 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: process and I head like this is for morons. People 586 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: were happy to do it for month, for years. I mean, 587 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: they just kept doing this crap. They were completely and 588 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: utterly out of their minds. But I think that the 589 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: conservative I don't know if fantasy is the right word, 590 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: but you know, conservative utopia had to shift from a 591 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: world in which we could totally minimize the ability of 592 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: government to do anything to you. You know, we're all 593 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: going to live off grid. We're going to live in 594 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: a cabin somewhere, and it's going to be you know, 595 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: sort of a beautiful, babbling brookling buy our house, and 596 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, they'll be deer that we can turn into 597 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: venison when we shoot them with their bonn arrow and 598 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: and you know we'll have some gold that will store 599 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: on the ground. And that that was this for a 600 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: lot of people, the sense of what the the perfect 601 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: America as an American which the government is just leaving 602 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: your loan to the recognition that that would be great, 603 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: But it is a fantasy and that if you don't 604 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: have a government that you actually have a say in 605 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: that will protect you from the lunatics. The lunatics are 606 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: going to make you triple mask while you're you know, 607 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: going to the store every day outside by yourself and 608 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: telling you's time for vaccine JAB number fifteen like that. 609 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, you got to pick your poison. Yep, No, 610 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: that's right. I think it's just inescapable of like the 611 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: libertarian mindset of just you know, abolishing the state or whatever. 612 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: It's like someone will always there will always be hierarchy, 613 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: someone will always be in charge, and it's it's either 614 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: people that you trust to give them responsibly or people 615 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 1: that are not capable of doing that, and they're going 616 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: to make your life hell. I think COVID was obviously 617 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: a great example of that. But I mean, I guess 618 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: the more difficult pill to swallow is the fact that 619 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't just in blue states, Like that's that's another 620 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: kind of that's another kind of lie that we tell ourselves, right, 621 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: or it's a blue state problem. I saw videos of 622 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: of guys in Texas, you know, getting like refusing to 623 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: shut down bars and then standing outside of them to 624 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: protect them from I don't know, like looters or whatever, 625 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: and you know, like as a swat rolls up in 626 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: an amrap to arrest them, you know, in Texas or 627 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: or like today, not today, but like more recently, you know, 628 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: you've got more and more like Antifa being armed patrols 629 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: to protect Drag Queen's Story Hour in text. This not 630 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: not like you know, oh it's Austin or whatever. Oh 631 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: it's a city like that. It's like no, this is 632 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: like Galveston, Red Texas. You've got Antifa doing arm patrols 633 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: making sure that kids can attend Drag Queen Story Hour. 634 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: Because again, if you don't use government, I mean, this 635 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: is what happens. This. I'm trying to avoid language that 636 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, conservatives find, you know, terrible and sounds like 637 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: status uh to use a term, but just the reality 638 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: of it again, Nature abhors a vacuum. Yes, And I 639 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: I just as you're saying all this, I do start 640 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: to think that remember the did you ever serious Ghostbusters? 641 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: The movie Ghostbusters? Yeah? Yeah, I remember when Ray and 642 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: Winston are in the car and they're talking about you know, 643 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: Judgment Day, and the sees will turn, sees will boil, 644 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: and then you know, and the and the sky will 645 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: be red as blood and all this sort of stuff, 646 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: and and they're like, they're like Judgment Day when you're 647 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: talking about armed Antifa patrols projecting drag queen story art 648 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: which is specifically adult hairy men dressed as women gyrating 649 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: their privates in front of small children and being militant 650 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: about this and how important this is to do. And 651 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: the Biden administration going along with transgender surgery for adolescence 652 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: for teenagers, perhaps even younger than that, from Joe Biden 653 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: from the White House. They call that medical care. Now, 654 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: that is not some left wing position that the White 655 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: House can pretend isn't absolutely at Joe Biden's feet. And 656 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: you have, you know, that recent performance at the Grammys 657 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: with I don't know, the you know, the guys sort 658 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: of the satanic thing. I mean, it don't sort of 659 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: feel sometimes like the Left is just on a program 660 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: to destroy everything that is good, wholesome, decent, honest, and 661 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: worthwhile in our society, and to do so with a 662 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: vicious glee. Yeah, well, I think this is again maybe 663 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: another misconception that we have. And you're right, they are 664 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: destroying things that we find good and true and beautiful, 665 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: but they're also building something. It's it's the same thing 666 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: with monuments, right, like, oh, like the left can only 667 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: that was something that you heard a lot in twenty twenty. 668 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: I probably said it myself too, like the left can 669 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: only destroy, but they're actually building something. They replaced the 670 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: monuments of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and George Washington 671 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: with monuments of George Floyd. And that that weird sculpture 672 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: that looks like Cathuleu's girlfriend. You know what I'm talking about. This, 673 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: it's this gold sculpture that's been making the rounds. Oh yes, 674 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: the the the the sort of I mean it looks 675 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: like a demonic woman that they put up in New 676 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: York right with it. Yeah, yeah, there's a Lovecraft reference 677 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: because that's that's someone described and I thought that's perfect 678 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: because she has like tentacles for arms. It's just really 679 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: hideous stuff. But again, they're they're building something. It's hideous 680 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: to us, it's it's horrifying to us, but they are 681 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: building something. And again it's it's what happens when you 682 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: believe that you can just kind of, like you said, 683 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, move off to go live on Ruby Ridge 684 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: and you know we know how that ends. Yeah. I 685 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: think that there is Unfortunately, there is no real fence 686 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: sitting in this in the culture wars in politics in 687 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: this country now, and at some level I almost think 688 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:32,959 Speaker 1: that it's been clarifying Pedro that Sports, the Arts, Netflix, 689 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, the major studios, Disney, that they have all 690 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: just come out and shown you, no, we're going to 691 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: program your kids with insane left wing filth unless you 692 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: stop us. That's act. You know, you can say, oh, 693 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't care, and politics makes you depressed and whatever. 694 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: They're going to do these things unless someone stops them. 695 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: You can ask them. It's like it's like you said, 696 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: you could say, please stop punching me. They won't. You 697 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: can punch back or else They're going to keep doing it. 698 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: And I think people have woken up to this. Yeah. Yeah, 699 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that people like this that have this kind 700 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: of imperious mindset, which I think a lot of leftists do, 701 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: there's no one that they're going to hurt more than 702 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: people who are unarmed or perceived as kind of defenseless. 703 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: I recently wrote an article it should be coming out 704 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: student for the European Conservative about the Spanish Civil War 705 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: and something that I wrote about was called the Red Terror, 706 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: and this was this episode where these leftists in Spain 707 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: started to crack down and basically mass murder members of 708 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: the clergy, nuns, priests, clerics, I mean, like just civilians 709 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: who try to protect them and the people that they 710 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: seemed and like the way that they killed these people 711 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: were just absolutely like you, you wouldn't believe it, like 712 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: just horrific ways to execute people in public, in the 713 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: most sacrilegious like just I mean, this is the problem 714 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: with the secular lexicon is it doesn't have the words 715 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: that you need to communicate certain things. And when you 716 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: read about what the Spanish they're called the Republicans, which 717 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: is funny because but when you read about what they did, 718 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's demonic. But here's the thing is the 719 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: people that they seem to do the worst things too, 720 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: were those who were defenseless. And I think that's a 721 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: really important The reason I wrote that that essay, which 722 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: again should be out soon, is precisely because I argue 723 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot to learn from this because the same 724 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: mindset that inhabited the minds of the Spanish Republicans, I 725 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: think it's prevalent everywhere that there is a kind of 726 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: radical militant left. I know there's some people who think 727 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: that this is a and I know we're almost at 728 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: time pedro, so I want to be mindful of that. 729 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: But they'll think this is this is going too far, 730 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: and that's fine. But I believe in any way that 731 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: the willingness of people in this country to convince themselves 732 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: that those who would not go along with, you know, 733 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: the whole experimental vaccine thing were monsters who were literally 734 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: putting lives at risk, who were killing people. That is 735 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: terrifying because if they were willing to believe that on 736 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: this issue, given all the realities that they should have 737 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: picked up on that show them this was crazy. I 738 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's the last time 739 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: that they'll decide people who disagree with them are monsters 740 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: who are who are killing other people and therefore must 741 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: be dealt with severely. I mean, I wrote about this 742 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: my Subjeck because there was an article in the Atlantic 743 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: where some woman was saying it's time for like a 744 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: pandemic amnesty. Both sides were really mean to each other. No, no, 745 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: both sides were not one side was trying to lock 746 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: the other side and it's in their house, you know, 747 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: it was trying to arrest them for not wearing a mask, 748 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: was forcing that were trying to force them and their 749 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: children to take vaccines, right, and in that article to 750 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: make the case that these people don't deserve ambassy or 751 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: such a ridiculous term, is the fact that you can 752 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: go back and you can find articles in like mainstream 753 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: publications where calumnists are saying, you should laugh at people 754 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: who die after refusing to get the vaccine. You should 755 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: laugh at them because they deserve to die for endangering others. 756 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: So you're, I mean, you're, like you said, sometimes it's like, 757 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: am I going too far? Like am I am? I? 758 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: Like losing the plot? But then you go back and 759 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: you read like, you know, like a perfectly mainstream publication 760 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: where some leftist is saying, I'm glad you're dead, and 761 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: I think it's funny. I'm glad you loved one died 762 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to take the vaccine, and I 763 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: think it's hilarious. I'll never forget that during COVID when 764 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: and I was somebody who and now, to my you know, 765 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: to my regret, I encourage my parents who are elderly 766 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: and had my dad had you know, comorbidity. You know what, 767 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: we've been considered comorbidity, so some health issues. I encourage 768 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: them to get the vaccine. And I just remember whenever 769 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 1: my parents and they've now gotten COVID like three times 770 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: each and I've gotten COVID three times, and you know, 771 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: it's just the whole thing ends up being such a 772 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: such a ridiculous first. But whenever they got COVID in 773 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: the early days, my thought was, first, of course, I 774 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: just want my parents to be fine. But the back 775 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: of my head, I was like, I know that if 776 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: one of my parents were to succumb to COVID, there 777 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: would be people openly celebrating on Twitter because they're my parents. 778 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, that would be fine right wing 779 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: radio hosts, you know, family member dies from COVID, therefore 780 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: that is a good thing because he doesn't believe in masking. 781 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: That was the mentality across the board. If you were 782 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: a Democrat, that was your party, that was the belief system. 783 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever been forced to come to 784 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 1: grips with that by the rest of us who have 785 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: seen what the reality is Yep. No, it's completely ghoulish. 786 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like there's this this forum on Reddit where 787 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: they I think they came up with what was called 788 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: the Herman Kane Award, which they named after people that 789 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: die after publicly saying that they don't want to mask 790 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: or take a vaccine. They get the Herman Kane Award. 791 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: Like and again, you can find all these headlines exactly 792 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: saying what you just said. You know, conservative radio host 793 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: who you know slammed wearing masks dies of COVID like 794 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: you could. It's headline after headline after headline of these 795 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: ghoulish celebrations of people dying. So no, you're completely right 796 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: to say that the left did it once. There's no 797 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 1: reason to believe that they won't do it again. There's 798 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: also no reason to believe that they won't be worse 799 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: about it because they never apology, because they don't think 800 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: that they did anything wrong there. Like you said, there's 801 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: never been a kind of reckoning for this. You are 802 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: that time. You guys were celebrating every time, like your 803 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: neighbor died because they didn't want to wear a mask, No, 804 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: because it was fine. Yeah, I know, this is why 805 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a little pessimistic about where the parties 806 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: and politics are heading in this country right now, but 807 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'm wrong, and I can tell you this. 808 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: It's worth your time everybody to subscribe to Pedro's substack 809 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: contra on substack. Go check it out. Pedro is a 810 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 1: fighter and a thinker simultaneously, which is fantastic. Pedro Gonzalz 811 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: appreciate you make the time for me, ma'am. Well, we'll 812 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: talk to you again soon. Thanks Buck