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Speaker 1: is prime cuts best on the Colin Coward Podcast. What

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Speaker 1: a great week. RG three reacts into the AFC and

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship games. He was great, Mike Sill were discussed

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Speaker 1: the bombshell Brian Floy's lawsuit, and how good is Dave

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Speaker 1: wants At talking about the Bears new coach, talking about

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins mess? What would he do if he was asked?

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Speaker 1: The tank games? But first, my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady after twenty two seasons is retiring first broken

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Speaker 1: by Adam Schefter and Jeff Darlington. I had said on

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Speaker 1: more than one occasion this week it was the first

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Speaker 1: time I believe Tom had a greater than fifty percent

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Speaker 1: chance to retire. He seemed almost satisfied with the way

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Speaker 1: the season ended. Two things that really jumped out to

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Speaker 1: me how unprepared the Buccaneers looked in their loss to

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Speaker 1: the Rams. Completely unprepared in the first half. It was

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Speaker 1: a meltdown. And the second thing that jumps out to

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Speaker 1: me the Patriots off and offs lost playoff games. Belichick

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Speaker 1: was never unprepared. This has been the knock on Bruce arians.

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Speaker 1: He runs a very loose ship. It's not tight, it's outspoken,

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Speaker 1: it's edgy. It's big play. Tom's mister efficiency, so you

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Speaker 1: can lose. But Tom's team looked absolutely outclassed, outsmarted, and outmaneuvered.

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Speaker 1: That's something my note is previously to that. I had

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Speaker 1: said multiple times that Tom kept giving us little hints

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Speaker 1: when he was leaving New England. Right, well, he gave

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Speaker 1: us little hints post Thanksgiving with Tampa. He was frustrated,

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Speaker 1: a lack of focus. People just need to do their jobs.

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Speaker 1: He was giving us hints throughout the course of this

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Speaker 1: season that it wasn't a tight ship. And this is

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Speaker 1: something important to remember. Tom's a creature of habit. Tom

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Speaker 1: loves structure, and Bill Belichick has created the finest structure

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Speaker 1: Lombardi esque, Bill Walsh esque, just longer than anybody in

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Speaker 1: league history. New England wasn't always the best drafting team.

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Speaker 1: Then they weren't always the most physical team. They weren't

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Speaker 1: always the fastest or more most gifted team. They had

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Speaker 1: the best structure, they had the best system. Tom loves that.

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Speaker 1: TV twelves a system. It's about structure, his clothing line.

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Speaker 1: That's what Tom. He really met somebody that saw the

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Speaker 1: world like he did. Efficiency, details outwork, head down, Belichick

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Speaker 1: and Brady, and I think when he went to Tampa

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Speaker 1: he wanted more control, he wanted up more dynamic weapons,

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Speaker 1: he wanted more of a say, and he got that.

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Speaker 1: But he realized with Bruce arians there's there's some given

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Speaker 1: take here. Um. You know, I think we all know

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Speaker 1: when I say certain coaches. We know Pete Carroll and

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Speaker 1: Nato was good drafting weapons to elevate the quarterback. We

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Speaker 1: know Bruce arians big play offense. You know, what do

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Speaker 1: they say, risk it or no biscuit. Tom got frustrated

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Speaker 1: with that last year. He was frustrated with that last year,

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Speaker 1: and there was that buy and then this melting, this

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Speaker 1: convergence of their offensive belief systems, and Tom went out

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Speaker 1: game offense. Tom got mostly what he wanted. He got Gronk,

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Speaker 1: and he won the Super Bowl. But I think over

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Speaker 1: the course of time, you know, it's the old grass

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Speaker 1: is Noah's greener. After two years in Tampa, Tom has

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Speaker 1: his health, but he grew increasingly frustrated with the culture.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was very, very fortunate. I lived

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Speaker 1: And he would have fun in Costa Rica or Montana

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Speaker 1: And I think Belichick, frankly, after a couple of years

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Speaker 1: Tom sounded almost satisfied, not relieved, but satisfy the way

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Speaker 1: I liked Tampa. I lived there for a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's Ybor City. It's cocktails early, it's a

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Speaker 1: It's laid back, and I think in the rearview mirror,

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Speaker 1: Tom's like, you know what, I got little of both.

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Speaker 1: of years in Tampa, and it's time. Remarkable guy, remarkable career,

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Speaker 1: twenty two remarkable years, Robert. I want to start. You know,

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Speaker 1: I talked about this when Patrick Mahomes came out of college.

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Speaker 1: The knock on him was mechanically. He was a lot

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Speaker 1: a repetitive nature. Every throw looked different, the ankles, his feet,

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Speaker 1: And we've seen a couple of times Robert in his career,

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Speaker 1: he goes into these five and six game I would say,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if Mahomes necessarily got the yips.

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Speaker 1: he reminds me of Tony and Romo. Actually, is that

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Speaker 1: either offered of one hundred thousand dollars a loss when

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Speaker 1: he wanted him to take or actually gave him that.

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Speaker 1: I have to read it a little more closely. He

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Speaker 1: accuses Ross of trying to engineer this meeting with Flores

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Speaker 1: at a unnamed prominent quarterback who was property of another

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Speaker 1: team over the offseason, where they would just happen to

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Speaker 1: meet and Flores found out about it and left. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's some things in there that you know, go beyond

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Speaker 1: the systemic races a part of it and are just playing,

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Speaker 1: you know, damning to the people named. And so it's

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Speaker 1: really it's a bombshell that dropped. But I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to be watching this over the coming weeks and months,

435
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: and in a way that we felt we might with

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Speaker 1: the Washington Dan Snyder investigation and emails that as of now,

437
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: we've only seen a tiny slice up. All right, my buddy, Dave,

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00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: juanstat Super Bowl twenty seven defensive coordinator with Jimmy and

439
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, also Bears, Dolphins head coach, playoff appearances, Pitt

440
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: Panthers head coach, he's now joining us. Well, holy hell,

441
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: your Dolphins. Oh my god. These allegations. So you had

442
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: Wayne High Zinga and all these billionaires have their issues,

443
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: but you know it's funny, coach. When I heard Brian

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Speaker 1: Flores allegations, my takeaway was, and by the way, Hugh

445
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Speaker 1: Jackson made the same allegations with his owner Jimmy Haslam,

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Speaker 1: And you know, Dave, my takeaway was, we always talk

447
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Speaker 1: about there's eight or nine really great quarterbacks in the NFL,

448
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: and I always think, well, there's only about eight or

449
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: nine great owners in the NFL. You know, there's a

450
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: lot of squirrely guys out there and squirrely families doing things.

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Speaker 1: When you heard Brian Flory's accusations, did you immediately dismiss

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Speaker 1: them or as part of you thinking, oh, yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: had three different ownership groups, I could see it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I mean I thought he

455
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: came across very very believing. You know, I don't know Brian,

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00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I've never met him, but I guess the more I

457
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: thought about it, I mean, I don't know if an

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Speaker 1: owner would really know who the best quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: draft is, you know, I mean really, I mean think

460
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: about some of these guys. They don't know only if

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Speaker 1: somebody's telling them. So it'll be very interesting. I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's really a sad day on both the US. You know,

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00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: the allegations obviously that Brian's making, but also uh that

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Speaker 1: that he's making against an owner in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in today's world, um, with everything going on in the

466
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Speaker 1: betting world becoming such a big part of it, and

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00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: points and and you know, and to lose games. U.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's a mess. It's really bothersome.

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Speaker 1: And I I've got a lot of friends over there,

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Speaker 1: as you know you mentioned, uh you know, nobody's really talking.

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Speaker 1: No one's saying anything. I mean, I think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot more people involved in different conversations. You know,

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Speaker 1: Chris Greer is a general manager. I brought Chris on

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Speaker 1: board when I was the head coacher. It's a scot

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Speaker 1: for me. I think the world of Chris's dad was

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Speaker 1: a long time one of the most respected scouts in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League back in the day. And Chris, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he's a general manager, so I don't know, uh,

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00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, his name hasn't been mentioned on either side

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Speaker 1: at this point. So there's gonna be a lot more

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Speaker 1: people that have information and have opinions on which way

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Speaker 1: this went. It's it's just a shame now. You know

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Speaker 1: what if I get the whole thing about the hiring process,

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Speaker 1: and I would be upset too. I mean, if I

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Speaker 1: was going into interview for a job and find out

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Speaker 1: in any profession and find out that somebody already had

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Speaker 1: the job, that would be very disappointing to me. And

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Speaker 1: I would be upset about it as far as getting

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Speaker 1: released because you had two winning seasons. You know, I

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Speaker 1: mean I had, I would have. It's ten wins a

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Speaker 1: year at Miami, so don't go I never lost the

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Speaker 1: season at all, so I can't go there. Jimmy Johnson

493
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Speaker 1: was pushed out of Dallas after winning a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. So so no, really,

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00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: so let's not let's not say because two winning seasons

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Speaker 1: that that that you can't be fired any coach anywhere.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that go into it, but

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Speaker 1: the whole interview process. I get that, and I would

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Speaker 1: be very disappointed too if I thought that I was

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Speaker 1: in their interviewing and and trying to sell myself and

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Speaker 1: trying to get this job, knowing that somebody else already

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Speaker 1: had it and mine was just just window dressing, as

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Speaker 1: they say. So I get that part of what Brian saying.

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Speaker 1: I really do. If an owner came to you and said, Dave,

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Speaker 1: it's your first NFL job Miami, I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: hundred grand, just lose the last three or four games,

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Speaker 1: what would be your reaction? Immediately? My reaction would be

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Speaker 1: I would lose the locker room. Mean, you might as

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Speaker 1: well fire me because and I kind of my tenure.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that a little different circumstances. But

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Speaker 1: our owner got rest in Wayne Hyzinga. We started off slow.

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Speaker 1: That's the year Ricky Williams, and he wanted to start

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Speaker 1: because of from outside of inions, which Wayne never did.

514
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: He wanted to make some quarterback changes, and so it

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Speaker 1: started playing some younger players, and what ended our relationship.

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Speaker 1: I said, I cannot do that. I says, I will

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Speaker 1: lose the locker room. Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison. No,

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Speaker 1: even though this guy is struggling right now. You know,

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00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: our quarterback Jay Fiedler as an example, we got to

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Speaker 1: stay the course wing because I'll lose the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Because this is who these teams believe in. So I

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00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: always go back to my players. How am I going

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Speaker 1: to get my players to play hard for me? How

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Speaker 1: am I going to get the most out of my players?

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Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, I think that's what

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Speaker 1: Brian Floyes alluded to. You know that I have a

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Speaker 1: responsibility to to you, yes, as the owner, but and

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Speaker 1: that ended my job. That ended my job at the Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: and basically, you know, mister Izinka said, well that's you're

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Speaker 1: he's the boss, and this is what you want to do,

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Speaker 1: then it's it's not going to work. And it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it sounds like different circumstances. Obviously had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with with winning and losing, throwing games

534
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: or hey that's stuff for no money or anything. But

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: still where where the owner wanted the head coach to

536
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Speaker 1: do something that and the head coach is thinking about

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00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: those players. I mean, how am I going to get

538
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: these guys to give everything they got every week and

539
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: lay it on a line if if I'm not doing

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00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: that by the plays being called or the people you

541
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: know who were playing, or however you were going to

542
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: try to do that, I have no idea, But I

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00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: get Brian Floyd's point because I kind of lived it

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00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: to a different different degree. So Jim Harbaugh interviews for

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Speaker 1: the Vikings job, doesn't get it goes back to Michigan

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Speaker 1: on signing day. By the way, Dave, you have a

547
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: rare perspective, and so would Jimmy. You coach college and

548
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: pro right now, there are there is more structure and

549
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: control over personnel in the NFL with millionaires than there

550
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: is with college due to the transfer portal. And I

551
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: believe you can't have any in season integrity with your roster.

552
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: A player could leave week to week like in the NFL.

553
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: You've got a trading deadline in a free agency period.

554
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: I think part of Hardball, maybe it's a small part.

555
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I think this transfer portal is so out of control

556
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: with no guardrails. I think you're going to see more

557
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: college guys. My opinion go pro. I think Hardball wants

558
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: to get back to the NFL. I think he wanted

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Speaker 1: the Vikings job. Oh, I know I've been corresponding. Fact

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00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I was texting with Jim last night. You know, I

561
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: wanted to see the Bears interview him and I said

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00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: this on and I got everything. Buddy Chicago start up

563
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: a month ago, and I said, you know, I said,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to hire him, but I would bring

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00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Jim in and talk to him. And my big thing

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Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh and maybe people look at the offense

567
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: he runs as a dinosaur offense, old school, but at

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00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: least when Jim walks in the door, there's an identity there.

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Speaker 1: You know what you're getting, right. So, but Bears had

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00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: no interest and he played for Bill Pollian and Bill

571
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Pollion was part of the selection committee. Okay, fine, So

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00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: then the whole thing was signing Day. I said this

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Speaker 1: on the air Tuesday morning in Chicago on my radio show.

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Speaker 1: I said, guys, Jim is going to Minnesota. It's over.

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Speaker 1: And he told me that, mister Ross, this is a

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00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: month ago, you know, because of a Michigan thing that

577
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: he was not going to do anything in Miami. He

578
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: didn't feel good about that, but I said, he's going

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Speaker 1: to Minnesota. You know how big signing day is, and

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Speaker 1: I know most of these kids are signed early, but

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Speaker 1: signing day is kind of the one day where college

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00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: coaches are high five in each other, up and down

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Speaker 1: the halls, being in a they bring in big breakfast

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: and the recruits are calling in and you're putting the

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00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: names up on the board. This is our new depth chart.

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00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: It's an exciting And then that night to go out

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: and all the alumni have rallies and the head coach says,

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00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: this is our final class. National signing date is a

589
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: real exciting, important time and for Jim not to be there,

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: I mean they love him, and I obviously I love Jim.

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00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: But boy, I'll tell you what a lot of places

592
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: he would would have been a real problem. That you're

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Speaker 1: up an interviewing the night before on signing date. I mean,

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00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: that's it's different. But he's back and he's fired up.

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00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: He texts me last night he's full of enthusiasm ninety

596
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: miles an hour. So here we go. That was a

597
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: strange one though, And if for NFL people, they might

598
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: not be able to digest how important is Calle signing

599
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: day is and the other thing too. You know. I

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: talked to patent Ardoozy, the head coach of Pitty, called

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00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: me about ten days ago because he hired a Frank Signetti,

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00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator who I had a pit. We were

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00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: talking about Frank and he says, now, he said, it's

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00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: to the point where he has to recruit. I says, well,

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: when can these guys not leave? And they got Addison,

606
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: a little receiver who won the bulit to cof for work. Yeah,

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and this kid is being recruited for this and I,

608
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, likeness thing, and teams are trying to, you know,

609
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: talk him into leaving. And it came out today. Nor

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00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Doozy said it today that last year at this time,

611
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame was trying to get Kenny Pickett the transfer.

612
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's not right, you know what I mean,

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: that's that's that's you shouldn't have to recruit these kids

614
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: three times. One time to get them, one time to

615
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: make sure that no one else steals them, and one

616
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: time to keep him from going in the draft. I mean,

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00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: it's getting to be. It's tough. Coach, just so much insights.

618
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Speaker 1: You are the most well conconnected man in show biz.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I asked you a question to get

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00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: an answer every time. Yeah, I mean it's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's there's some The last few days have been very

622
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: interesting days, you know, in National Football League and college

623
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: football too. I mean, but and then Michigan ended up.

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00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: I gotta say this because I'm a Michigan fan. I

625
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: mean they ended up number eight in the country and

626
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: recruiting without your head coach there. Yeah, I mean, I

627
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: said I used to stand by that, and and my

628
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: daughter's laughed at me because I used this on my

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Speaker 1: radio show. I said, I used to stand by the

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Speaker 1: fax machine, and they texted me, Dad, there's no more

631
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: fax machines here, no longer. But I used to stand it,

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00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: you could send the letter. You could send the letters

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Speaker 1: in at seven o'clock and I would stand by that

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Speaker 1: fax machine like a ten year old kid at Christmas,

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Speaker 1: waiting for those letters to come in. That's how that's

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Speaker 1: what a big deal it was. I know, great scene interview,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, yeah, great stuff. That's so good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the volume