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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Poppers Perspective edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture. All right, so

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Speaker 1: the Giants are playing the Patriots, and when you think

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Speaker 1: about the Giants and Patriots, you think of comebacks, helmet catches.

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Speaker 1: But the one constant in those Giant wins against the

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Speaker 1: Patriots was the defense. So we had had to get

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Speaker 1: Justin tuck On to talk a little bit about it.

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Speaker 1: Four sacks in the two Super Bowl super Bowls forty

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Speaker 1: two and forty six. Justin when you see the Patriot logo,

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Speaker 1: what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I think consistency, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: What they were able to accomplish year in and year out,

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Speaker 2: especially when they had number twelve, there was the model

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Speaker 2: of consistency, and we obviously wanted to have that same

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Speaker 2: model consistency when we were playing. So that's the first

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Speaker 2: thing that comes around with me. I know, it's the

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Speaker 2: whole Boston, New York rivory and all that stuff, but

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Speaker 2: the first thing is in admiration of how successful successful

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Speaker 2: they were and trying to be in our own ways

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Speaker 2: that successful.

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Speaker 1: So like in a boxing match, sometimes you want to

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Speaker 1: feel the other guy's power as you kind of get

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Speaker 1: into the fight. You got a chance to feel the

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Speaker 1: Patriots power in that seven regular season finale. Conversely, they

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Speaker 1: got to feel your power, and you, guys gave them

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Speaker 1: all that they can handle. What was it about the

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Speaker 1: matchup going into Super Bowl forty two and their offensive

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Speaker 1: line that gave you, guys a lot of confidence as

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Speaker 1: far as your ability to win consistently is, which is

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Speaker 1: what you did over the course of sixty minutes of football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think for us playing them

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Speaker 2: in that last regular season and it pulled the veil

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Speaker 2: back right. They was probably in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways looked upon as superheroes. Obviously

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Speaker 2: they had had so much success and not only just

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Speaker 2: winning games, but how they want them. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they had been truly contested and been in a fight

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Speaker 2: for a true four quarter game, or at least I

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Speaker 2: couldn't remember watching it on FM where they had to

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Speaker 2: go down to the wire and won football. And they

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Speaker 2: really dominated that season, so man, it was it was.

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Speaker 2: It was apparent to us that one we matched up

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Speaker 2: very well with them, especially the whole lot of d line.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do a lot of scouting for them at

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Speaker 2: that outside. I mean that that last game because we

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Speaker 2: already positioned in the playoffs against Tampa Bay. We already

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Speaker 2: knew where we were slotted, so we obviously looked at

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Speaker 2: them and and and put together a somewhat generic game plan.

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Speaker 2: But what I thought that did for us was allowed

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Speaker 2: us to not have a lot of things going on

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Speaker 2: in our mind. We played in that first time and

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Speaker 2: truly play fast, and it allowed us to really see

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Speaker 2: how we really matched up against them. So I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of that was taken in consideration when we

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Speaker 2: when we put the game playing together for the forty

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Speaker 2: two Super Bowl. Uh, and we didn't do a lot

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Speaker 2: of things. Bags didn't put a lot of put obviously.

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Speaker 2: Has we just knew that if we went out there

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Speaker 2: and played confident and played fast, that they're going to

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Speaker 2: have problems matching up with us across the board. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you know, lucky for us, man, it really it

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Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say care free. You can't play care

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Speaker 2: free in the Super Bowl, but we definitely played, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, open minded one from the perspective of not

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Speaker 1: So you know, the game starts, you guys go on

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Speaker 1: to drive, use some clock, so you kind of get

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Speaker 1: in the game to be played at your pace, not

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Speaker 1: their pace, which is up and down, up and down.

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Speaker 1: How important was those first couple series for you guys

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Speaker 1: defensively to kind of hit him in the mouth and

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Speaker 1: let them know that this game was going to be

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Speaker 1: played on a whole different level, because, I mean, Plexico

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Speaker 1: made the infamous comment that they weren't going to score

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Speaker 1: seventeen points. They set an NFL record for the most

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Speaker 1: points ever scored in the season, the most yards, anything else,

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Speaker 1: but your defense made them play on your terms as

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what we were able to do is

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Speaker 2: Tom without having to bliss them a lot, so that a

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Speaker 2: lot of our secondary to stay home, stay in place,

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Speaker 2: make him really feel uncomfortable. Took We tried our best

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Speaker 2: you know the fact that we was able to rush

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Speaker 2: of the game on the screen pad. It set the

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Speaker 2: tone that, you know that we didn't feel like that

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Speaker 2: old line could block us. We didn't need to bless them. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we did some things to throw wrinkles in, but when

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Speaker 2: it came pushed the shove, we felt like we had

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Speaker 2: the dominant match up up front. And listen, I always

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Speaker 2: give guys credit. Tom Brady is arguably the greatest quarterback

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Speaker 2: and that's what few of us. So as we got

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Speaker 2: you said, we were able to kind of dictate, you know,

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Speaker 2: way around. They had so many second and long THURSD

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Speaker 2: and long they couldn't run the ball against us, and

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Speaker 2: it allowed us to dictate how we were going to

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Speaker 2: anything like that, you know, or been in those situations previously.

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Speaker 3: In the previous I guess seventeen games that they had played.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've been involved in some games were the

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Speaker 1: team has had big sack totals. I mean, the sack

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Speaker 1: totals weren't off the chart, but the hits. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes people underestimate what the hits do because, like

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Speaker 1: any human being, your clock is going to speed up

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Speaker 1: if you're constantly getting hit. Was that a messaging? It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we're not even if we're not getting sacks, let's

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Speaker 1: make sure we hit him and speed up his thought process.

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Speaker 2: I've always thought that hitting the quarterback was probably even

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Speaker 2: more valuable than the sack plays because it never less

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Speaker 2: allows him to get comftable on it, never let it.

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Speaker 2: We've never really allowed him to feel comfortable on setting

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Speaker 2: his feed. If Tom is obviously not the most athletic,

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Speaker 3: He knows how to.

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Speaker 2: Move sideways, upwards, downwards in the pocket to give himself

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Speaker 2: so much time. We had most times we rush, and

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Speaker 2: he wanted to. So I think that played so much

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Speaker 2: more of an impact on just the fact that he

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Speaker 3: And and I think that you know, way obviously ways

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't remember how many quarterback hits

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Speaker 2: every time he dropped back it was never a clean

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Speaker 2: and stepping doing the football. And I don't care who

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Speaker 1: To speak to his greatness after you guys take the

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Speaker 1: lead though, they get the ball back and Jay Alford

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Speaker 1: wax him on the first play, smokes him. Were you

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Speaker 1: when you've watched the replay of it, can you believe

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Speaker 3: Listen, man.

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Speaker 2: You know we throw the word great around so much

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Speaker 2: when I grew up and you say greatness, that person was,

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Speaker 2: you know, far and above elite. When you think about

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Speaker 2: the beating that Tom took that game. I still have

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Speaker 2: been watching that play and I felt like he was

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Speaker 2: Jay hit him. And obviously that was a huge hit

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Speaker 2: laid in the game after he had took so much

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Speaker 2: two balls in the air, I mean they probably traveled

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Speaker 2: seventy yards on a dying I mean, Randy Moss, I

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Speaker 2: those sketches, which you know gives me some some harper,

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Speaker 2: give it eloc credit too. You think about that San

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Speaker 2: in the Championship game. Eli took that same type of beating,

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Speaker 2: continue to stand it. So, you know, those guys like that,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, as a competitor, don't get me wrong that

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Speaker 2: you know you want to go out there and beat

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Speaker 2: how he stood in there and took those beats and

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Speaker 2: still you know, gave everything you had right to the end.

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Speaker 1: Pretty great examples. The only difference, and Giant fans like

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Speaker 1: this one is Brady didn't win that game. I won

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Speaker 1: that game in San Francisco. So twenty eleven, they got

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Speaker 1: this long streak going having not lost at home. You guys,

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Speaker 1: go up there. Jake Ballard makes an incredible catch in

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Speaker 1: the corner of the end zone. Another comeback. But again,

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Speaker 1: you played that game on your terms. How confident were

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Speaker 1: did you feel like maybe you were in their heads

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Speaker 1: a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, at the time, you don't, You don't

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Speaker 2: think we look back at it and just all the

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Speaker 2: coming off of that Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: It all comes down to you know, who makes the plays,

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Speaker 2: and execute that game plan. And like you know, New

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and talk about the history of the Giants and

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Speaker 1: two thousand the limit. Justin, we appreciate a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for reliving some of those

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Speaker 2: Bob is always a pleasure, and I you know, anytime

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