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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, we know that

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Speaker 1: everyone is concerned about election integrity, so we wanted to

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Speaker 1: after what we've just seen in Michigan with this ruling

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Speaker 1: on the Secretary of State, which we're going to get into.

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Speaker 1: So we have Cleta Mitchell with us. She is a

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Speaker 1: senior legal fellow at the Conservative Partnership Institute and the

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Speaker 1: founder of the Election Integrity Network. She has been over

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Speaker 1: She has over fifty years of experience in both legal

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Speaker 1: and political space, and a particular emphasis on making sure

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Speaker 1: we are supporting the rule of law and elections, which,

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Speaker 1: as I said, we will get into in Michigan because

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Speaker 1: it turns out the Secretary of State does not trump

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, no pun intended. But first, before we get

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Speaker 1: into all of that, I want to take a moment

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Speaker 1: again to talk to you about my partners at IFCJ.

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Speaker 1: This is so important because right now we are seeing

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism on the rise, and you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: just in Israel is here at home, but it's also

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Speaker 1: around the world. And that's why I've partnered with the

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Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and today I'm coming

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Speaker 1: to you, my audience, to ask you to stand with

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Speaker 1: us and IFCJ to raise your voice. Just as Oscar

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Speaker 1: Schindler and Corey Tenboom did. This pledge is too, is

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Speaker 1: asking Christians to stand with their Israel, their Jewish brothers

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Speaker 1: people they are not alone. They have God and Christians

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Speaker 1: asking Christians to sign a pledge which will be delivered

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Speaker 1: to the President of Israel to show that Christians in

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Speaker 1: America are not only standing in solidarity, but they are

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Speaker 1: speaking up to I've signed the pledge and I'm asking

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Speaker 1: you to take a stand with me today with the

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Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to let the Jewish

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Speaker 1: people know they are not alone. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to sign the pledge, just like I did, go to

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Speaker 1: support IFCJ dot org. Again, that's support IFCJ dot org

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Speaker 1: and you can take a stand with me today. Now

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Speaker 1: I want to bring in Cleta Mitchell. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being here today. We have so much to

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Speaker 1: talk about because as you know, I'm here in Michigan

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Speaker 1: and A lot's been going on, but welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Tutor. As I said, I wish

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Speaker 2: you were Governor, Tutor Dixon, because our lives would be

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Speaker 2: a lot better in America if that were the case.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. And you know the funny

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Speaker 1: thing is, when I was running for governor, you get

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Speaker 1: that question time and time again from the press, will

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Speaker 1: And I always thought that was a ridiculous question because

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Speaker 1: people have always been allowed to have lawsuits, have recounts,

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Speaker 1: been allowed to say, hey, I want to know, I

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Speaker 1: want to make sure this is accurate. And guess what

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Speaker 1: Democrats have done it too, And especially in a state

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Speaker 1: where I said time and time again, hey look, if

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Speaker 1: then I wouldn't be so worried about it, and time

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Speaker 1: and time again they said that's bologna. That didn't happen. Well,

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Speaker 1: now the errantc just won this case against her saying

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Speaker 1: that she did have an unconstitutional rule change. And this

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Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to know where to begin talking about

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Speaker 2: the problems that Jocelyn Benson has created and the lawlessness

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Speaker 2: with the law. And so there have been multiple cases

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Speaker 2: filed against her, starting in twenty twenty two over her

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Speaker 2: election procedures manual that she distributed that violated the Michigan

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Speaker 2: Then there was a loss file because she had not

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Speaker 2: And she lost that case, but again the court gave

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Speaker 2: we know that there was a horrible proposition constitutional amendment

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Speaker 2: The Michigan people were lied to about what it was.

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Speaker 2: They were told it was to strengthen election integrity and

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Speaker 2: course now we have a Democrat control legislature, not by much,

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Speaker 2: guidance to all of the town clerks advising them, instructing

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Speaker 2: and last week the judge ruled that, in fact, that

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Speaker 2: least now the clerks are supposed to review the signatures,

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out that this was a

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Speaker 1: you have to sign it. The way that people know

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Speaker 1: in Michigan, we have had a major signature disaster across

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Speaker 1: ballot initiatives for candidates. There have been a massive amount

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Clita, what on earth would

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Speaker 2: Well, because that's something that these Democrat secretaries of state

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Speaker 2: want to have verified identity. They oppose every measure that

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Speaker 2: will secure the election. They say, oh, that makes it

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Speaker 2: harder for someone to vote. No, it makes harder for

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Speaker 2: someone to cheat. And I just have to say, I

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Speaker 2: the measures that we've tried to advance that secure the

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Speaker 2: And honestly, it's just because they want to cheat. They

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Speaker 2: are duly registered, properly registered and actually exists. So it's

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Speaker 2: a very big challenge everywhere, Tutor. It's not this is

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Speaker 2: not pretend. And of course when people like me say

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Speaker 2: they call us names, they call us election deniers.

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Speaker 1: But this is a legal ruling by a judge appointed

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Speaker 1: by Whitmer. I mean, the judge is saying this is

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Speaker 2: Well, the judge is saying it violates the state constitution.

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Speaker 2: And thank goodness for that judge, because I got to

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Speaker 2: I have been so distressed and disappointed because so many

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Speaker 2: an example. In Pennsylvania in twenty twenty, the legislature and

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Speaker 2: governor struck a deal. I think it was a bad deal,

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Speaker 2: the in person voting requirement in Pennsylvania. Prior to twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: verification program for these mail in votes. In September of

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Speaker 1: How could that possibly make sense?

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Speaker 2: Well, because they just issued an edict and then guess

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Speaker 2: what the Republicans sued. They wanted the lower court. The

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Speaker 2: They want to have no verification of identity. They don't

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Speaker 2: want voter ID, they don't want any kind of integrity measure.

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Speaker 2: They don't want anybody watching to see who's depositing ballots

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Speaker 2: two years, four years ago. So we're fighting those battles.

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Speaker 2: All the time everywhere because they want to make it

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Speaker 2: that that's a big threat to our election in twenty

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Speaker 1: Well, that was that question was asked of Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State Jocelyn Benson, our secretary of state here in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: on one of the leftist news channels she was on.

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Speaker 1: They were asking about drivers' licenses and all of that.

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Speaker 1: But the concern I have you talk about this happening

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Speaker 2: and so people say, present all his cases. He didn't

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Speaker 2: lose ours because he never got his day in court,

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Speaker 2: and which is why I ended up leaving my law firm.

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Speaker 2: But my problem, the thing that I would say to

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Speaker 2: you is election contests, even though they're in this statute,

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Speaker 2: those are apparently now only available to Democrats. Mark Las

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Speaker 2: a Democrat super lawyer. He files election contests all the

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Speaker 2: time post election. He even wrote a letter to the

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Speaker 2: House Administration Committee in Washington instructing them that they didn't

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Speaker 2: have to even consider the outcome of the election or

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Speaker 2: the election results from a race in Iowa where a

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Speaker 2: Republican had defeated a Democrat by very narrow margin, and

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Speaker 2: he was urging the House Committee on Administration just to

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Speaker 2: throw out the election and it just seats to the Democrat,

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Speaker 2: and so nothing ever happens in the media to those people.

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Speaker 2: And I just I've said to many Republicans people, we

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Speaker 2: better make sure we address every issue before the polls

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Speaker 2: close on election day, because there are no post election

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Speaker 2: remedies available to Conservatives and Republicans any longer, not in

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Speaker 2: this present climate. The judges are too afraid. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The judiciary is supposed to settle things, but they didn't

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Speaker 2: settle things properly in twenty twenty. They didn't settle things

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Speaker 2: properly in Arizona. In twenty twenty two. You still have

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Speaker 2: motions pending in Arizona. In the attorney general's race. The

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Speaker 2: final margin is less than two hundred votes between the

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Speaker 2: Democrat and the Republican. They seated the Democrat. There are

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Speaker 2: about five to seven hundred votes that have yet to

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Speaker 2: be counted, and it's sitting at the State Supreme Court. Now.

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Speaker 2: That is an outrage, and our judicial system needs to

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Speaker 2: man up and the positive sense of that word, and

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Speaker 2: take charge, because I'm telling you something, if we lose

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Speaker 2: our judicial system, which the Left has done a pretty

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Speaker 2: good job of trying to destroy, then we don't have

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Speaker 2: any arbiters of enforcing and upholding our laws.

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Speaker 1: And that attorney general's race in Arizona now becomes very

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Speaker 1: interesting because now we have this situation where Katie Hobbs,

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Speaker 1: and I would argue that the same thing is happening

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Speaker 1: have the Attorney General because this is a Democrat, and

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General has said they will not recuse themselves

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Speaker 1: from this case and that they're going to hear the

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Speaker 1: case or go after her. And the problem that I

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Speaker 1: have here is that you look at Katie Hobbs, k

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Speaker 1: Hobbs what you can She was a social worker, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, there's these examples of places

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Speaker 1: they had been rejected, made a big campaign donation to

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Speaker 1: Katie Hobbs. Now their funding has been increased by sixty percent.

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Speaker 1: I would argue the same thing is happening in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Even at Gretchen Witmer's own State of the State address,

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Speaker 1: she talked about she's going to put one point five

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Speaker 1: billion into housing, refurbing old housing, building new housing. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I've never heard of the state building housing.

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Speaker 1: Why would the state ever build housing. Why wouldn't we

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Speaker 1: bring in businesses that required people to build their own house,

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Speaker 1: because that's how it works. When you have the jobs,

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Speaker 1: they will come, they will build their own house. However,

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Speaker 1: she's giving one point five billion dollars away to build

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Speaker 1: housing here, not so different. From what happened in Arizona

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Speaker 1: with Katie Hobbs. And guess what at that State of

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Speaker 1: the State address, those builders were all pre everyone who

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Speaker 1: will be receiving the money from her were all invited.

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Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats were all invited to sit and listen.

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Speaker 1: More than more guests than people were allotted they were there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, we're seeing a rebirth of things,

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Speaker 2: interestingly enough, that the progressive movement in the early twentieth

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Speaker 2: century fought against. They fought against that crony capitalism. They

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Speaker 2: fought against the corruption between the government and the unions,

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Speaker 2: and between the government and capitalists or business leaders. They

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Speaker 2: fought against all of that. They insisted. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: progressive movement was part of the reason why our election

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Speaker 2: laws were changed to create all these protections, to create

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Speaker 2: a government run election system instead of one that used

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Speaker 2: to be run by the unions or by the political parties.

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Speaker 2: And in the Democrats case, that the unions ran the election. Well,

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Speaker 2: all of that was part of the progressive movement. Now

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Speaker 2: we've come full circle and those far left progressives today

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Speaker 2: are basically eliminating all the things that they advocated for

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Speaker 2: one hundred years. Ago, more than one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 2: So you know, look, all I say is it's important

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Speaker 2: for us as citizens to fight back. And over the

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Speaker 2: last four years, I will tell you that one of

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Speaker 2: the things that's been very gratifying to me is the

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Speaker 2: ability that I've had at a front row seat to

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Speaker 2: work with so many fabulous people, citizens patriots all over

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Speaker 2: this country, including in Michigan. We had an election integrity

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Speaker 2: summit in Detroit in twenty twenty two. From that, we

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Speaker 2: now have a wonderful statewide coalition of volunteers. We're doing

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Speaker 2: all kinds of work all over the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: trying to clean voter rolls, trying to learn how to

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Speaker 2: oversee the technology and try to keep track of all

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Speaker 2: the things Joscelyn Benson is doing, and trying to help

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Speaker 2: support local clerks who want to follow the law instead

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Speaker 2: of following Johnson Joslyn Benson's edicts. And we have those

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Speaker 2: coalitions now in twenty eight states, and I just have

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Speaker 2: to urge everybody, if you are going, if we're going

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Speaker 2: to save our elections and save our country, we have

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Speaker 2: to get involved. We can't just be angry about it.

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Speaker 2: We have to get our hands Dirdy. We have to

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Speaker 2: be there. We have to do. We've started the Only

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Speaker 2: Citizens Vote Coalition and we actually have a website, the

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Speaker 2: Only Citizens www dot Only Citizens Vote Coalition dot org.

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Speaker 2: I urge people to go look at that. There's information.

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Speaker 2: We have a National Working group every Thursday at eleven

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Speaker 2: about what we can do as citizens to fight back

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Speaker 2: against illegals registering and voting. It's a very big problem

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Speaker 2: and the only way we're going to be able to

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Speaker 2: withstand the tsunami I've left as money and lawlessness is

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Speaker 2: if we as citizens get involved, and we just have

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Speaker 2: to be there.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. I've held you for a long

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Speaker 1: time now. We didn't get into this, but I will

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Speaker 1: just say the illegals voting is definitely concerned. That was

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Speaker 1: one of the things that Jocelyn Benson came out in

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Speaker 1: great force and pushed back all that's ridiculous. None of

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Speaker 1: our illegals would have a driver's license. However, just last

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Speaker 1: month we had an illegal alien who was given a

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Speaker 1: chauffeur's license by Jocelyn Benson, who had been in four

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Speaker 1: accidents between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 1: yet yet somehow still had this chauffeur's license. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have a license, but this guy did and ended up

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Speaker 1: in his fifth accident, killing two Michigan women. And when

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Speaker 1: we wrote the story on this, because I do think

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Speaker 1: that what you're saying is critical, get involved and also

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Speaker 1: make sure people know the truth because the propaganda media

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Speaker 1: is never going to tell the truth. In fact, Jocelyn

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Speaker 1: Benson's office came back to us and said, correct your story.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't in legal alien. He wasn't inn i llegal alien.

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Speaker 1: He was an asylum seeker. Give me a break. This

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Speaker 1: man killed two women. And her concern is the title

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Speaker 1: that we give the guy who killed the two women

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Speaker 1: to protect him. What is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 2: Well? I had an email from a gentleman from Flint,

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Speaker 2: Michigan just last Thursday, someone I did not know, but

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Speaker 2: he found me and said that he had been at

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Speaker 2: the DMV in Flint, Michigan the day before and a

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Speaker 2: woman came in with four or five people, none of

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Speaker 2: whom spoke the English. She had a badge on or

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Speaker 2: on her T shirt, said interpreter. She went in, she

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Speaker 2: got every one of them a driver's license. They were

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Speaker 2: all getting driver's licensees. And guess what Jocelyn Benson has created.

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Speaker 2: She's created automatic voter registration. So, oh, yes, if you

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Speaker 2: get a driver's license or an ID, you automatically get

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Speaker 2: registered to vote. Now, the federal law requires that before

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Speaker 2: somebody is registered is added to the voter rolls, they

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Speaker 2: are supposed to have their identity and their residency confirm

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Speaker 2: through the driver's license number or through the last for

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Speaker 2: other social security number. But here's the problem. That law

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Speaker 2: was written twenty two years ago at a time when

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Speaker 2: nobody ever contemplated that our immigration laws would not be

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Speaker 2: being enforced, and so there's no language in the statute

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Speaker 2: requiring confirmation of citizenship. And so states when they're verifying,

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Speaker 2: they're supposed to verify people's identity and residency before adding

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Speaker 2: them to voter rolls. But there's no requirement to verify citizenship.

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Speaker 2: So there is a bill coming to the House floor

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Speaker 2: to say that safeguard American voter eligibility. That would change that,

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Speaker 2: But of course I'm praying it passes the House that

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Speaker 2: has over one hundred co sponsors, but then it will

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Speaker 2: die in the Democratic Senate unless we put a lot

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Speaker 2: of pressure on some of these Democrats who are running

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Speaker 2: for real election.

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Speaker 1: So that's key, and also we need to flip the Senate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is ridiculous. This it's gotten completely out

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Speaker 1: of hand. And honestly, if you want to see the

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Speaker 1: America that you grew up and continue, you need to

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Speaker 1: go out and vote. And I think that's the clearest

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Speaker 1: message here. However, I know everybody says go out and

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Speaker 1: vote and out vote them. If they can continue to

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Speaker 1: do these types of things, we'll never be able to

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Speaker 1: and that's why we have to change people over, get

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Speaker 1: in there, make the laws to protect us, and make

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Speaker 1: sure we stop them from doing these fraudulent acts.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely true. And if people people need to start

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Speaker 2: asking their friends, their neighbors, their relatives, are you registered?

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Speaker 2: Are you registered to vote? Get people registered to vote

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Speaker 2: and make sure they vote. Run your own run your

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Speaker 2: own voter registration, and get out the vote campaign. If

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Speaker 2: we had millions of people doing that, as some people

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Speaker 2: have said, my President Trump has said, too big to rig.

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Speaker 2: We have to have so many more votes cast for

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Speaker 2: President Trump in the fall. If we're going to have

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Speaker 2: any hope of overcoming all of these institutional systemic changes

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Speaker 2: that the Democrats have put in with their left wing

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Speaker 2: allies over the last decade. We can save America, but

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be easy, and we need every

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Speaker 2: single person too.

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Speaker 1: And if you vote, you may think everybody else votes.

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Speaker 1: My mom was test driving a car the other day

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Speaker 1: and the young man who was taking her out was

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Speaker 1: talking to her and said, oh, I hear you related

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Speaker 1: to Tutor Dixon, and she said yes, and they started

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Speaker 1: talking about politics, and when they got back to the dealership,

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Speaker 1: he said, this is the longest I've ever talked about politics.

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Speaker 1: He said, Man, you know, maybe I should vote. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and she was shocked. You know, you just never know.

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Speaker 1: And so I think what you're saying is so valuable.

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Speaker 1: Make sure the people you're talking to know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: tell them how to register, make sure they're going out

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Speaker 1: and voting, and especially your friends. But Claton Mitchell, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on today. You have been

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Speaker 1: so insightful. It's been amazing.

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Speaker 2: So much for having me, I appreciate it, and.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us here on the Tutor

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Speaker 1: Dixon podcast. Make sure you subscribe at tutordisonpodcast dot com

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