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Speaker 1: Show me the money.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get in.

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Speaker 3: It is such a great clip that not for profit

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Speaker 3: New York Yankees. But they are shopping this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Don't you worry?

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The latest report from John Hayman about their their goals

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Speaker 3: this offseason in the outfield, he says, right now, they

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Speaker 3: appear to view ready for this Kyle Tucker as the

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Speaker 3: backup plan to Cody Bellinger rather than the other way around.

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Speaker 3: So they are looking to try and bring Cody Bellinger back.

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Speaker 3: They clearly liked him. He's a known commodity, there's defensive versatility,

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Speaker 3: great athlete, not the Tucker isn't. But they know what

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Speaker 3: they're getting. Not to mention he's gonna cost I would

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Speaker 3: say significantly less, and if that doesn't work out, suddenly

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Speaker 3: they will go after Kyle Tucker. To me, I actually

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Speaker 3: think there is something to read into here. For example, Kratz,

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Speaker 3: if the Yankees think these two players are pretty close, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think Bellinger would be a better value for them

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Speaker 3: if they know him, they like him, and he's going

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Speaker 3: to cost less.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't see. I don't see how you can bring

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Speaker 5: the argument any other way, because except for the fact

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Speaker 5: that some teams are enamored, and I don't think the

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Speaker 5: Yankees need to be enamored with age, the fact that

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Speaker 5: Tucker is two years younger than Bellinger, the fact that

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Speaker 5: you know, you would have a few more years of

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Speaker 5: his quote prime. But the Yankees are always looking for

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Speaker 5: like this year, what is he going to bring this year?

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Speaker 5: And to me, there's less. There's less in free agency.

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Speaker 5: There's so many question marks. Ooh, is you know? Is

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Speaker 5: he injury prone? Is he going to be able to

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Speaker 5: handle this market? How does he fit into the clubhouse?

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Speaker 5: All that stuff It's already been answered for Bellinger. So yes,

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Speaker 5: he would be a free agent, But no, you don't

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Speaker 5: have those fears, or you don't have that trepidation of

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Speaker 5: he's gonna fit just because you don't know nothing against Tucker.

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Speaker 5: You just don't know, you know how Bellinger's going to

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Speaker 5: fit in and has fit into this clubhouse, and he

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Speaker 5: is definitely a lot more versatile.

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Speaker 1: We're negotiating here for a free agent, right, So what

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Speaker 1: do the Yankees want to do if they're they want

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Speaker 1: to get the guy for cheaper? So what do they say? Oh, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: We're not really Yeah, you don't really fit here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go Cody Bellinger. So but you know, if you

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Speaker 1: take Glass and calm here, we'll take you because you're

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Speaker 1: not really are for Come on, dude, And the Yankees

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Speaker 1: aren't gonna be profitable. Come on, The Yankees are so

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Speaker 1: profitable because of Yes network and because everywhere you go

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Speaker 1: in the world. I've been all around the world. Guess

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Speaker 1: what two hats you see more than any other hats

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Speaker 1: in LA in the New York Yankees hat in every color.

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Speaker 1: People that don't even know what baseball is are wearing

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Speaker 1: a New York and a Dodgers hat. So don't give

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Speaker 1: me they're gonna be profitable. But hell, you're not George.

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Speaker 1: Try to be like George. Like we just talked about

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Speaker 1: Zach Britton, go out if you want Kyle Tucker, just

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Speaker 1: go out and sign him, because that's what George would do.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's been since two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: since y'all one just saying two thousand and nine, that

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Speaker 1: is a lifetime for a Yankee fan.

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Speaker 5: Hey, jar, they're a better team if they signed Tucker

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Speaker 5: over Bellinger.

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Speaker 1: It depends. Yeah, I think I think Kyle Tucker at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, is a better player over

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Speaker 1: the long haul of a contract that they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: better player right now. But the question is health. If

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker's healthy and he's engaged, absolutely they're a better team.

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Speaker 1: But there's always if. There's this with every free agent contract.

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Speaker 1: There's ifs with Dyllancy's, there's IFFs with Juan Soto, there's

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Speaker 1: ifs with every person show. Hey what a show. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't gonna pitch. Remember we asked that question. He came

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Speaker 1: If you want the player, go get him. You're the Yankees.

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Speaker 5: But as the team is constructed right now, Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 5: in right field, is their value there for the Yankees

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Speaker 5: to move Aaron Judge to take Kyle Tucker, who this

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Speaker 5: year had a below average defensive year based on the numbers,

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Speaker 5: he can have an above average, but he'll never be elite.

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Speaker 5: You're putting him in a new position.

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Speaker 1: Is Kyle Tucker will never be a leader in right field?

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Speaker 5: He's never been elite in right field Kyle Tucker. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Based on the numbers, He's never been elite in right field.

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Speaker 1: He's won a goal glove in twenty twenty two, so

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Speaker 1: he's been pretty damn elite at some point.

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Speaker 5: The best numbers that he ever had defensively, he was

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Speaker 5: a zero point four war player in right field. That's

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Speaker 5: his best. I'm sorry, I'm as right. Twenty two, twenty

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Speaker 5: two when he won his goal glove. There's a one

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Speaker 1: Is that elite? I don't even know what that Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, let me bring me in sec that

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Speaker 1: Just said he's never going to be elite, which he

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the argument is here. He's young.

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Speaker 2: Between here twenty twenty two, he was elite.

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Speaker 3: Eight run value on that's above average for stat cast

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Speaker 3: is elite. But since then minus four two zero, So

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Speaker 3: I see what Kratz is saying. But he's also been

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Speaker 1: Last two years. He's been hurt, So you throw those out, okay,

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Speaker 1: But to me, Yes, So you'd rather have Cody Bellinger

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Speaker 1: I mean, does Kyle Tucker make you better? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have Grisham, right, Grisham took the qualifying offer,

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Speaker 1: so he's on the team. He's going to be your

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Speaker 1: try to keep the old a little more healthy? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I think Kyle Tucker makes him a

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I agree that you should get how much of a

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Speaker 2: difference is it? Yeah, because Bellinger's really good out there.

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Speaker 2: The question is how much of a difference is it?

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Speaker 3: Right, If Kyle Tucker ends up getting let's just throw

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Speaker 3: random numbers out there, four hundred million, and Bellinger ends

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Speaker 3: up getting two hundred million, I think the Yankees brass

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Speaker 3: is like, yeah, we'll take Bellinger.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And that's their decision. It depends on also the

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Speaker 1: I get that part, but that wasn't The question to

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Speaker 1: hurt his shoulder that one year was you know, he's

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Speaker 1: won an MVP, So yeah, he's younger. Yes, I get

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Speaker 1: you want the player, go fucking get him.

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Speaker 5: But I I but I would say this statement of

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Speaker 5: who like if you're putting because every player has has

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Speaker 5: deny the fact that Tucker is a better player than Bellinger,

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Speaker 5: and he's younger, all that stuff, but the fit on

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Speaker 5: get all that stuff. I'm not bringing any of that up.

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Speaker 5: It's more of is he that much better for the

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Speaker 5: extra money that you're gonna pay, and how he fits

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Speaker 5: and what's that. You know, maybe he does go and

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Speaker 5: play left field like great, cool, But all of this

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Speaker 5: that hurt his free agency? Kyle Tucker's free agency because

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Speaker 5: you need to the tango. They're not out. They're not

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Speaker 5: out yet, but Cody bellingerdo at some point.

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Speaker 1: This is all negotiation, all negotiation, all negotiation. It's all negotiation.

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Speaker 1: House and the Yankees have probably told John Hyman, hey,

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Speaker 1: put this out there so maybe he'll lower his price,

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Speaker 1: we can get him cheaper or make another team bid

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Speaker 1: on him because they think we're out or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're not. Until I

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Speaker 1: This is all negotiation. This is this has been negotiating

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Speaker 1: one oh one. Hey, let's throw it out there. Though

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Speaker 1: we don't want the guy, so that he everyone in

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Speaker 1: get them. I mean, it's the way they do it.

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Speaker 1: It's smart. It's smart, it's smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a big money difference between what these

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 1: We don't know that until they sign. We don't know that.

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Speaker 1: We don't Maybe they can get Kyle Tucker to sign

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Speaker 1: get them. I don't know. We don't know. Until someone signs.

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Speaker 1: We don't know never. You didn't. You weren't shaking your

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Speaker 1: These are all guys that you didn't say. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that don't ever happen. Guess what they both had it

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Speaker 1: happen to him, Kyle Tucker coming off to you being injured. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know until I see him sign.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. Cody Bellinger did it. Hell, he did

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Speaker 1: it twice with the Cubs.

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. Yeah, it's not crazy. It's happened

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Speaker 3: before where we are shocked. And yes, sometimes they have

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Speaker 3: quote insurance behind them where they're longer guarantees, but the

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Speaker 3: opt outs are very enticing, so they're most likely to

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Speaker 3: play for a season prove their value, and the opt

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it should be interesting.

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Speaker 3: We'll keep following this and maybe something will happen during

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Speaker 3: the winter meetings where one of them signs and then

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Speaker 3: that creates a lot more leverage for the other player.

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Speaker 3: You would think that Bellinger is going to wait it

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Speaker 3: out and his camp for Kyle Tucker to sign first.

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Speaker 3: And it's two different agencies, right, so you would think

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Speaker 3: that will happen.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys think that will happen?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because Tucker is technically rated higher by most run offices

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Speaker 1: He gets a deal he wants?

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Speaker 1: No, why it gets a deal that he wants? If

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Speaker 1: Bellinger's like, yeah, I want there, and I want to

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Speaker 1: deal I want Heck, yeah, he'll sign if Because then

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Speaker 3: got Zach Britton joining us right now. Former All Star

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Speaker 2: First off, Zach, how you doing, man.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great. How are you guys?

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Speaker 2: Good? Good, Good to see you.

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Speaker 3: I'll go right to what you tweeted about with Ryan Helsley.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think of this signing as someone

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's good.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, especially if you don't want to

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Speaker 4: that's something a little different. So I think it's a

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Speaker 4: good it's a good ad. It's not like it's a

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Speaker 1: Zach. By the way, since the first time we've had

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Speaker 1: Now you got like your own podcast room. Like you've changed.

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Speaker 1: But that's fine. But what do you think this does

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You would hope so right. I mean with the new ownership,

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Speaker 4: And I definitely think there's still that opportunity. They need

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Speaker 4: And like you said, that young core is gonna get expensive.

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Speaker 5: Right. I want to get to the rest of the

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Speaker 4: Anybody that's played in New York knows if you don't

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Speaker 6: And it's hard.

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Speaker 4: We've played with guys that are elite going to New York, struggle,

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Speaker 6: So for me, I I.

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Speaker 1: Right, what year did you go?

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Speaker 4: You went to twenty eighteen to New York? Right, twenty eighteen? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just make it sure because we're just talking

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays to you, so sorry. But Hellsley, Uh, Hellsley

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but do you like you're so regurgitated?

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Speaker 6: Is that like regurgitated from That's kind of my question

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Speaker 1: Is gonna be is like, oh be because I got hit,

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Speaker 6: Tipping is kind of just like a regurgitated thing.

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Speaker 5: All Right, we figured out, yeah, yeah, your your pitch

449
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Speaker 5: was Mariana's pitch. He just did it a little bit longer.

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Speaker 5: But I have a little Zach Britton trivia here. Do

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Speaker 5: you know how many big leg starts you have? Starts

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Speaker 5: starts in the show?

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Speaker 6: I don't look at that.

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Speaker 5: When you went to Free Agency, did they ever talk

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Speaker 5: about starting, Because hell's ley, all of a sudden they

456
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Speaker 5: started dropping this out here. You only had one pitch.

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Speaker 5: At least he had two pitches, so he had a

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Speaker 5: whole repertoire. You had just a whatever. A single pitch

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Speaker 5: is a unitoire.

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Speaker 4: I think I was gonna have to pay teams if

461
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Speaker 4: I wanted to start. I think it would have been

462
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Speaker 4: that way in more of that conversation. No, that that

463
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Speaker 4: never got brought up to me. After I went to

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Speaker 4: the pen my first year closing this Nope. Start never

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Speaker 4: got brought up to me.

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Speaker 5: Again, do you think do you think there was ever

467
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Speaker 5: there was ever any real I mean, obviously we hear

468
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Speaker 5: about the Tigers. We're looking at Hellsley as a starter.

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Speaker 5: Do you ever think do you think there's anything real

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Speaker 5: with that based on what he's done in his career

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Speaker 5: and his repertoire or was it just a you know

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Speaker 5: what that'll probably increase your value a little bit in

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Speaker 5: the free agent market.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, a part of me thinks that might

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Speaker 4: be you know, his agent, you know, putting something out there.

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Speaker 6: Maybe, Hey, this guy is he's capable, he's willing to

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Speaker 6: be a starter.

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Speaker 4: Maybe one team brought it up and then you kind

479
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Speaker 4: of you kind of snowballs. But when you look at

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Speaker 4: some of the Clay Holmes is like a perfect example

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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 6: I mean, anybody that played with Clay Holmes and watched.

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Speaker 4: Him spin the baseball in the bullpen knew that he's got,

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Speaker 4: you know, multiple elite pitches or you know, extremely good pitches,

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't far fetch to see him go to

486
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Speaker 4: the Mets and be a good starter if you watched

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Speaker 4: him on a day to day basis and kind of

488
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Speaker 4: knowing his mentality too. But I think just because it

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Speaker 4: works for one guy doesn't mean it's gonna work for everybody.

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Speaker 6: I think a guy like Kelsley.

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Speaker 4: Is you know when you see him throw, you know,

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Speaker 4: elite fastball, elite slider, you're this guy. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: guy's closing games. I'm not so sure his value would

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Speaker 4: have been increased at all by being a starter. I

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Speaker 4: don't see that with him.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think it is? Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's that easy? Do you think teams just look at

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Speaker 1: Clay Holmes and say, oh, we can make a cool

499
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Speaker 1: closer with a sinker like you were a starter? Like

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Speaker 1: why do you why do you think, like, oh, Helsley

501
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Speaker 1: has two pitches, he those one hundred, we can make

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Speaker 1: him a starter. Do you think it's easier said than

503
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Speaker 1: done to do that, because I think most bullpen guys

504
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Speaker 1: like yourself were failed starters, right, and then they became

505
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Speaker 1: closers because they had one or two pitches that were

506
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Speaker 1: unbelievably good. Do you think it's that easy just to

507
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know what, I'm going to become

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Speaker 1: a starter again because oh it's so easy.

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Speaker 4: No, it's it's absolutely a lot harder to sustain success

510
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Speaker 4: as a starter.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think it was like myself, Andrew Miller, Wade Davis

513
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Speaker 4: were kind of around the same time where we transitioned

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Speaker 4: to the bullpen.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, if you look at I think.

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Speaker 4: Wade Wade Andrew had a lot more success as a

517
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Speaker 4: starter than I did. But yeah, typically you try the

518
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Speaker 4: guy out as a starter, you move him to the pen,

519
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Speaker 4: not really vice versa. But I think it just shows

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Speaker 4: that teams are really struggling to find starting pitching. And

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Speaker 4: so if you have a guy like Clay Holmes, they

522
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Speaker 4: you know, you watch every single day. This is probably

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Speaker 4: something internally the Yankees discussed. I would think that this

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Speaker 4: guy's capable of being a starter. I'm not I can't

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Speaker 4: remember if I ever heard it there, but no one

526
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Speaker 4: was surprised when he went to the Mets and they

527
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Speaker 4: made him a starter, you know. And Carlos Mendoza was

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Speaker 4: in New York, so you know, that could have been

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Speaker 4: something that he brought up to them too. Hey go

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Speaker 4: get this guy and let's see if you know, we

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Speaker 4: can make him into a starter, because he's got the

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Speaker 4: pitch arsenal to do it.

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Speaker 5: This is no shade to Taylor Ward. But are you

534
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Speaker 5: surprised that the Orioles gave up essentially on Grayson Rodriguez.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the one thing with Ward is right, he's

537
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Speaker 4: been healthy, you know what, you're gonna get at him

538
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Speaker 4: for the most part. Hopefully he's a little bit of

539
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Speaker 4: a veteran presence in that clubhouse with a bunch of

540
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Speaker 4: young guys. I think he reinforces that lineup.

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Speaker 6: A little bit.

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Speaker 4: With Grayson, it's, you know, the guy could be he

543
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Speaker 4: can be a multi time All Star. He could be,

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the best starters in the game

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Speaker 4: if you can stay healthy.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's the big up. Right, When guys get.

547
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Speaker 4: Hurt a lot early in their career, I think it's

548
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Speaker 4: put some doubt in your head, Hey, can we rely

549
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Speaker 4: on this guy or if we're willing to spend the money,

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Speaker 4: do we just go out and get a starter. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they're willing to go out and spend the money get

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Speaker 4: a starter, right, and that's why they're willing enough to

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Speaker 4: give get rid of Grayson. So I think towards the end,

554
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Speaker 4: at the end of the off season, we'll have a

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Speaker 4: good idea. You know, Hey, maybe this was because they

556
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Speaker 4: were going to replace him with, you know, a free

557
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Speaker 4: agent starter or a high level starter. But if they don't,

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Speaker 4: then yeah, maybe you're scratching your head a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But I think the injury history it is tough. It's like, man,

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Speaker 4: we really like this guy, he's got great stuff, we

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Speaker 4: like the person, but you know, can we trust that

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Speaker 4: he's gonna stay healthy for the entire season when he

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Speaker 4: hasn't really been able to yet?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? For sure.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Zach, did you see the whole Alcs thing with

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Speaker 1: the Dan Wilson and you went through this Dan Wilson

567
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Speaker 1: and Munos not coming in and then giving up the

568
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Speaker 1: home run. You kind of went through that with the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: I hate to bring it up again, I'm sorry against

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Speaker 1: the same team with the Blue Jays where you didn't

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Speaker 1: pitch and Buck kind of got crushed for not pitching.

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Speaker 1: You do you do you understand that? Do you understand?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a different game now, obviously analytics have

574
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Speaker 1: changed that. But do you kind of feel for Munos

575
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Speaker 1: the fact that he wasn't in that game and they

576
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Speaker 1: gave up the lead without him pitching in the game

577
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Speaker 1: they had to win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough to watch you know my situation are

579
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Speaker 4: really you know, not pitching in that wild card game.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of managers took notice. Actually I

581
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Speaker 4: went to the World Series that year to get the

582
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Speaker 4: Reliever of the Year award, and I talked to Frankkoner

583
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Speaker 4: for like a hot second.

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Speaker 6: He was like, why didn't you pitch right?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: And it was one of those things.

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Speaker 4: And Andrew Miller was right there and after Frank Cone

588
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Speaker 4: left him like, man, you're gonna throw in every single

589
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Speaker 4: one of these games, aren't you?

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Speaker 6: Like after that? And and I think.

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Speaker 1: There's and he did, and he did, by the way.

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Speaker 6: And he did. There's some truth to it. There was

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Speaker 6: some truth to it.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so I think now it's when you see it,

595
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Speaker 4: you're kind of like, hold on, didn't we learn our

596
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Speaker 4: lesson a little bit? Like you want to have your

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Speaker 4: guy out there? I understand that. Okay, Well, if you

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Speaker 4: pitch your best guy right, and let's say the game's

599
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Speaker 4: tied or whatever, and he's going two or three innings,

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Speaker 4: then then what right then what I think you can

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Speaker 4: live with the decision to throw your best guy and

602
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Speaker 4: then lose it or have somebody else have to come

603
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Speaker 4: in and then lose it that way because you've you

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Speaker 4: used your your best arm and your pen. So it

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Speaker 4: is tough to watch that go down, don't everyone's You know,

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Speaker 4: circumstances are different in my situation. You know, I'm not

607
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Speaker 4: really sure you Balda was throwing well up unt that point,

608
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Speaker 4: but he wasn't a reliever.

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Speaker 6: I was hot, I was ready to go.

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Speaker 4: You have multiple innings, and I just think it was

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Speaker 4: one of those things you get you learn from. So

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Speaker 4: but when you see it now, you're like, man, we

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Speaker 4: can't lose that way. Obviously not understanding you know they're

614
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Speaker 4: complete their bullpen dynamic or anything like that, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know you got to throw your best guys out

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Speaker 4: there in games like that.

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Speaker 5: I want to hear what you have. I want to

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Speaker 5: hear you elaborate on one of your tweets here talking

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Speaker 5: about this time of year. See this is your tweet,

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Speaker 5: so I'll read you your tweet. It's kind of like cannibalism,

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Speaker 5: but t winter seems to be this time of year again.

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Speaker 5: Hearing the chatter from team owners about payroll concerns, salary caps,

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Speaker 5: no or low revenue. CBA expires next December, so talks

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Speaker 5: like this will continue to pick up. That was you,

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Speaker 5: Zach Britton tweeting that out after I think how Steinbrunner

626
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Speaker 5: made his comments about how the Yankees are not necessarily profitable.

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Speaker 6: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I was sitting at home.

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Speaker 5: I was bored.

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Speaker 6: What are you's talking about?

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Speaker 3: You the.

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Speaker 4: No, it's true because you know, as you know, I

633
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Speaker 4: was on the subcommittee for the Players Association. It seemed

634
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Speaker 4: about a year before we were really going to pick

635
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Speaker 4: up our conversations, you know, maybe slightly under a year

636
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Speaker 4: we were going to start picking up our conversations. There's

637
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Speaker 4: always this, you know, the narrative of and this is

638
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Speaker 4: kind of leading to you know, salary cap.

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Speaker 6: Right, so.

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Speaker 4: You know Howe's on their labor labor policy committee. I've

641
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Speaker 4: had these conversations you know with how you know in person,

642
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Speaker 4: you know, throughout my career with the Yankees.

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Speaker 6: You know this.

644
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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just more about and the players do this too, right,

645
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Speaker 4: The fans just don't want to hear like that kind

646
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Speaker 4: of stuff. They don't want to hear about like players

647
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Speaker 4: wanting more money either, right, They're all like everyone's making

648
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Speaker 4: a ton of money, Like we don't want to.

649
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Speaker 6: Hear about this.

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Speaker 4: But the revenue or low revenues, or hey, we're not

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Speaker 4: as possible profitable as you think we are, or you know,

652
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: we have bills to pay. Kind of thing always kind

653
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: of leads to the negotiating table of hey, man, we like,

654
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: can you guys help us out here? We want the

655
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: salary cap or you know, it might not even be

656
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: that kind of tone now, like I'm not at the table.

657
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 4: It might be like, hey, either you give a salary

658
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: cap or we're going to lock you out. I don't know,

659
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: but it's been the same chatter for a really, really

660
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: long time. But I thought it was funny because this

661
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: is about the time about a year out where the

662
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: owners will start, you know, talking about that to the

663
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: media and things like that, and our counter I remember,

664
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: Max Sures are actually like at across the table one

665
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: time it's like, man, like show us your books and

666
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: like we'll work with you if you guys aren't making

667
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: any money, Like that's not good for any of us, right,

668
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: like so like can we see the books and then

669
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: like maybe we'll work with you there and then you know,

670
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: no books.

671
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Well okay, so I love that you were on the

672
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: executive committee. Can we I don't know how to say

673
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: this properly. But can we can we stop? Can we

674
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: figure out a way actually not stop? Can we get

675
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: the Players Association to fight back a little bit in

676
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: the media? Is that just their thing? They just won't

677
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: fight back, right? So then people come up to me.

678
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure they come up to you, people that know

679
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, is there going to be a workstopage?

680
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: And why is this? And why? And you're just like,

681
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, And they're like, but

682
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: all I hear is that there has to be a

683
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: salary cap. Can we get and you were on the

684
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: executive commutey, can we get Andrew Miller, who you know

685
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: and I know very well and some of these guys

686
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: to come out and stand up for themselves because there's

687
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: issues in the problem is that the fans only hear

688
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: from Rob Manford and Rob Manford's people all the time,

689
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: and they never get to hear from the PA. How

690
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: do we how do we improve that and make the

691
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: PA come out and say, man, you know this happened

692
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: and we were gonna do this and we're gonna fight

693
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: this this way. Is there a way to do that?

694
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: Yeah?

695
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: I think we did a better job the last go around.

696
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: That was something that the eight of us on the subcommittee.

697
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: You know, it was actually really frustrating at times to

698
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: read stuff, you know, from the media and you knew

699
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 4: it was just coming from the owner's side, and they

700
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: didn't even take the time to ask the players. And

701
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 4: I guess some of that was on us too, right,

702
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: Like you got to be willing to engage the media.

703
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: So a lot of the time was like, well, these

704
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: guys are employed by MLB, so they're gonna spew that narrative,

705
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: and we're like, well, it doesn't have to be, Like

706
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: maybe we just build a relationship with these guys as well,

707
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: and we just we share our side, you know. And

708
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: I think getting out in front of some of that

709
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: stuff was was better this last time, and it changed

710
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: the narrative a little bit behind, you know, actually what

711
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: we were looking to do compared to you know, what

712
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 4: had been out there in the past. But yeah, I agree,

713
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: you know, being able to talk with the fans and

714
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: let them know what's actually going on from our perspective,

715
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 4: the player's perspective at the time when I was on

716
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: the committee was important is still is important for them.

717
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 6: To do that. I think you toe the line of

718
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: the fans don't.

719
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: Want to hear about, you know, millionaires arguing against billionaires.

720
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: But the truth is is, you know that the topics

721
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: are much more interesting than just that.

722
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, I.

723
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: Agree, and I think it's something they've done a better

724
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: job the Union has of addressing or speaking to the

725
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: media and addressing you know, things out there that aren't true.

726
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: But we'll see how it goes this go around and

727
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: see if they've improved that anymore.

728
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: Hey, Zach, based on your combos in the past with

729
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: how do you sense that he's frustrated with the way

730
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: that revenue sharing works. It's not that they're giving money

731
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: to small market teams, and some of them clearly are

732
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: using it, others are not.

733
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: I think that's very clear. Year.

734
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: We always look to a team like the Pirates, where

735
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: there have been years where it's on record they made

736
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, as much money on concessions and tickets to

737
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: play pay for player payroll, and that's before revenue sharing

738
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: and TV money. So you're talking like hundreds of millions

739
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: of dollars and you don't know where it's going besides

740
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: in a pocket. So do you feel like there's frustration there?

741
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: Because I think the real fight that doesn't get covered

742
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: often is the actual boardroom with all of the owners

743
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: being like, hey, guys, we're giving all this money and

744
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: you're not doing anything with it.

745
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did.

746
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 4: We never had like a really in depth conversations about that.

747
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 4: I think he understands that it's part of doing business,

748
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: is the revenue sharing. So you know, my impression was

749
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: that wasn't really something that was you know, at the

750
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: forefront of his mind. I think that's the cost of

751
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: doing business there, you know, for the Yankees, understanding that

752
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: they're going to be, you know, at the top of

753
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 4: that list and they're going to have to cut a

754
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: check every single year. But how you know, the one

755
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: thing about how is uh, you know, I really appreciated

756
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: the communication with him. We did communicate a lot, you know,

757
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: considering when I came from the Ools, and you know,

758
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: I'd never really seen ownership. Uh, you know, I talked

759
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: to John and Lou Angelos, but I never really I

760
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 4: never saw Peter So being able to talk to how

761
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: especially when I was going.

762
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: Through Tommy John surgery.

763
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: I talked to him quite a bit, and he's very

764
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: like clear and open about how he thought or you know,

765
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: even how he ran the organization.

766
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 6: You know, he was very willing to anything you guys need, like,

767
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 6: I'll provide it.

768
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: So a lot of the fight, you know, isn't necessary

769
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: with a guy like how like he's he wants the

770
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: game to continue to operate and everyone to be profitable.

771
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 6: He wants the Yankees to do well. He wants to

772
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 6: invest back in the team.

773
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of other owners that I think

774
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 4: kind of stand in the way of some progress happening,

775
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 4: and How it's not one of those guys.

776
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: All right, so off your comments, and my next question

777
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: leads this, are the Yankees going to go out and

778
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: spend this offseason? Because Hal keeps saying, Oh, I don't

779
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: want to go over the luxury tax and I want

780
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: this and I want that, and the Yankee fans complain, well,

781
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you're not your dad, George. George would just went out

782
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: in ball we didn't make the World Series for all

783
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: these years. Is how gonna go out and spend or

784
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: is how waiting like a lot of the owners that

785
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: we keep hearing, oh, we're gonna wait and see what

786
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: happens with the lockout situation. Because I think when the

787
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: teams like the Yankees are good. It's good for the game.

788
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: The teams that most people like. When big market teams

789
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: are good, to me, it's good for the game. Like

790
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: even I'll throw Toronto in there when Toronto's good. You

791
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: saw the ratings this year. They were off the charts, right,

792
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh, we love it when the Pirates

793
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: or the Marlins make the World Series. But at the

794
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: end of the day, people really tune in when it's

795
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: Dodgers versus Yankees and Red Sox Yankees and whoever else

796
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: you want to throw in there at the end. So

797
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: it was how gonna go out and say, man, I'm

798
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: sick of not winning. We have Cole coming back, we

799
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: have rode On, we have Free We're gonna resign Bellinger,

800
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring in Tucker. We're really going for it.

801
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 6: Like my dad used to do.

802
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: Because I think that'd be awesome.

803
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think they will.

804
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 6: I think they'll go bring back some guys.

805
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: I mean, they consistently spend, right, you can argue, are

806
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 4: they spending on the right guys?

807
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 6: Right?

808
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: And I think if there's something I've you know, heard

809
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: and read from, you know, even Nek a steam Cone

810
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 4: it's you know, hey, even if we spend the most money,

811
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 4: doesn't guarantee us a World Series.

812
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 6: And you're like, well, absolutely, that's right.

813
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 4: Where the Dodters have just really done a good job

814
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: of paying the right people and they're paying a lot,

815
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: but they're paying the right guys.

816
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 6: So I think with with the Yankees, I fully expect

817
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: them to pay.

818
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 4: They're always involved in the big guys, and I think

819
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: they'll spend, uh and they'll add somebody big, maybe a

820
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 4: few this year, just just like they always do.

821
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 6: And I think you're right, absolutely need.

822
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: The Yankees back in the World Series, and you want

823
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 4: them to win a World Series title.

824
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 6: You you want the Blue Jays, and you need the Dodgers, you.

825
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: Know, in the World Series. You want the clubs with

826
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: those high payrolls and those big markets to be to win.

827
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, to answer your question, I fully expect, you know, cash,

828
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: and and then how to approve it, you know, going

829
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: out and getting some big guys. I wouldn't, you know,

830
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: just from past experience, I don't. I would have a

831
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: hard time. It would be really frustrating too as a

832
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: former player to see the Yankees not spend because they're

833
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: worried about a lockout, and I can just think about, uh,

834
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: you know, like the COVID season, right, and all the things.

835
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: They lost revenue and you know, players lost some of

836
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 4: their salaries and things like that. Uh, And then going

837
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: into the next free agency, people are like, oh, we

838
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 4: lost money, so we don't want to spend the money.

839
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: You know, you heard some of that, you know, if

840
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: you were. I had an opt out in my contract

841
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: after that year, and that was some of the questions

842
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 4: that were getting raised. We're like, man, teams lost revenue,

843
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 4: are they gonna are they gonna spend on free agencies?

844
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 4: It's a really bad time for free agents. I would

845
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 4: have to go back and look up the numbers there

846
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: to just see if it had some impact. I'm sure

847
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: it did, but it'd be really frustrating for that to

848
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: be the narrative and a team like the Yankees not

849
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: spend because they're worried about a lockout because ultimately, like,

850
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: you're not gonna pay the guys anyway, right, You're gonna

851
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: renegotiate the effect of Hey, man, we locked you guys out,

852
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: or we didn't play X number of games, so I'm

853
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: gonna pro rate your salary even further. I mean, that's

854
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: going to be their angle. So I don't think these

855
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 4: deals should have any impact. They should be going out

856
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: and trying to get their team better and then actually

857
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 4: hoping that they don't have to deal with a lockout

858
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: and they can actually you know, work with the PA

859
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 4: and get something done before you know, a lockout even

860
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: takes place. But that hasn't been the history lately.

861
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: Exactly if half a season is miss which would suck

862
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: anduld be really stupid, then it would only be half

863
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: a year's salary and still play out the rest of

864
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: the season. So I'm with you, Yeah, I don't think

865
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: it's going to affect what they do this offseason.

866
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Really good stuff, Zach.

867
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think condition of the adphones and the mic,

868
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: like he's he's in the media is.

869
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Just really helped him. That mic has really helped him.

870
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 6: This is uh, this is.

871
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: Like what I happened when you're really bored and you're like, man,

872
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: I should buy some of this audio equipment and figure

873
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: out how it works.

874
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 6: You know. That's kind of where I'm at right now.

875
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: Wait, you got but do you consider yourself an Oriole

876
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: or do you consider yourself a Yankee?

877
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 6: Well, I guess it depends on who you're talking to.

878
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: But I'm talking to you, I'm asking you.

879
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say I look at it like two

880
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: different careers, almost right, which kind of is. But you know,

881
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: I feel like my career will be known for the

882
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: stuff I did with Baltimore and you know, with my

883
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: brother coaching there too, being drafted there, you know, for

884
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: me spending a lot more.

885
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 6: Of my career with with grows.

886
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: I think for me, I consider Baltimore you know, home.

887
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: But at the same token, I really did, you know,

888
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: appreciate my time and I liked my time with the

889
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: Yankees organized uh. And if I still communicate with, you know,

890
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: players and stuff, it's it's the Yankee guys because those

891
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 4: are my last teammates.

892
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 6: They treated me great.

893
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: A lot of people in the front office still maintain

894
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: relationships with them and things like that. So and the

895
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: Orioles front office is new.

896
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 6: You know, I've met Michael Lias.

897
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: They're great people too, But for playing it would be

898
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: the Oriols. Like I think my career I'll be known

899
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: for the oriel stuff. Personally for me, that's how I

900
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: view it. But at the same time, you know, if

901
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: I can use the Yankee stuff. I will use the

902
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: Yankee stuff too.

903
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 6: You know, more people know.

904
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 4: I actually feel like a lot more people recognize me

905
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: for like the Yankee stuff, or like playing with the Yankees.

906
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: Not the performance, but you know, oh the you know

907
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: you were the Yankee pitcher, right, and you're like, oh yeah, sure, yeah,

908
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: that's that game.

909
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Because you didn't pitch in that one game. He didn't

910
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: pitch in the one game. So you can blame buck

911
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: right for not pitching you in that one game in Toronto.

912
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: Because if you guys win that series, maybe people are like, man,

913
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: that us an Oriole for life. He's like, he's like

914
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: Brooks Robinson.

915
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: I know, you imagine if I blew that game. Though,

916
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 4: I also thought, like what if.

917
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 8: I went in there and like the first pitch gets

918
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 8: absolutely whacked, you know, like out of the stadium, and

919
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 8: then I happen not that, No, I probably wouldn't have.

920
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: Nobody could touch you. Nobody was like the guy.

921
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: And then like four wild pitches to the backstop that

922
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: was probably more probable than a homer. So yeah, no,

923
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: it would have been interesting had I throw. Maybe maybe

924
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 4: I'll the hop on a podcast and like dive into

925
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: the wild card game.

926
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 6: One day. I don't really know, Maybe.

927
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: I just know I got one hit off you in

928
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: my life and it was like one of the greatest

929
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: hits in my life.

930
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: I actually ran into Taylor t Garden and we had

931
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: a conversation about you. One of my starts looking up

932
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: probably the best one I ever had against the White

933
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: Sox and Camden Yards.

934
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 6: And did I play that game? I think you did.

935
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 4: It was a day game and I think we were wondering.

936
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 6: Like why is he playing in a day game?

937
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: And I think that was the hit I got. It

938
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: was a chopper. There was a chopper off the plate.

939
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: It was an infield single with my speed crafts.

940
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: I've never seen Aj so mad that he was playing

941
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: this day game before.

942
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 6: He's like it game up to.

943
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: The plate the entire time, and he was like, God, like,

944
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: why am I heading first up?

945
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: There's like a lefty on the mound.

946
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 6: It's a day game. Yeah, Like why am I playing?

947
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: I can see true? And then and then I was like,

948
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: and look at that guy turned into Look how good

949
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: that guy became cratzy. You know, the feeling is a backup.

950
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is why is aer Krats not playing

951
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: against his nasty lefty throwing sinkers on my knuckles.

952
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: Because he wasn't that guy. You you looked at his stuff,

953
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 5: You looked at Brett's stuff at that point, and you

954
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 5: were like you raced the batrack. You were like, I

955
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 5: am definitely in this game, dude.

956
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: The only guy I ever saw, I know we got

957
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: to go. But the only thing I ever the only

958
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: guy I ever saw I could hit Zach Britton as

959
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: a lefty was David Ortiz and then I and then

960
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: and do you know why he could hit you because

961
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: he said he moved all the way to the front

962
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: of the plate before your stuff broke, and so he's like,

963
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hit that nine nine before it dives

964
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: in on my hands and he could break O. Dude,

965
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: he raked him. Look at the numbers. He actually raked him.

966
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, he told me that. I'm like, that's

967
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: not going to work for me, Dude, Like I can't

968
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: do that.

969
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 6: I love it.

970
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: He's yeah, he's he's a good time Matt Olson.

971
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 6: Actually quite he owns me right now. Man. I could

972
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 6: not get that guy.

973
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: I think.

974
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 6: God.

975
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: I didn't face him very much either, but he had

976
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: a home run off me in Oakland. If you ever

977
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: want to check this video out and look at mine,

978
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: and I think Caleb Joseph's reaction to this home run

979
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: that he hit it was pretty to this day.

980
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 6: I'm still, you know, flustered every time I see him

981
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 6: play on how he did it.

982
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 4: But hey, Cratcy broke my hand in Yankee spring training,

983
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: so don't let him fail you.

984
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 6: You did so it's whatever. We can talk about that

985
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 6: another time too.

986
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: It's not the only hand he's broken. Oh didn't you

987
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: break someone's finger holding someone back? Crats Yeah, Matt Alberts, Yeah,

988
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: there's a b there.

989
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 6: One of the best.

990
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: Nicknames in baseball, by the way, which was yeah, which

991
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: was I'm not gonna say it. I don't know if

992
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: it was. I'm not gonna say it, but I'm gonna

993
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: it was a cartoon character at one time.

994
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 5: Here you go.

995
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know his own teammates called it, but that's

996
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: what everyone I know called him.

997
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good out to look it up offline exactly.

998
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Hey, all right, well we're getting ready for our next

999
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 3: guest anyway.

1000
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: Is that good stuff?

1001
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 6: Man?

1002
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you coming on.

1003
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to do a longer hang at some point,

1004
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: but we'll catch it soon.

1005
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, no thanks for having me.