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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a.

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Speaker 1: Sibling, Railvalry, No, no, sibling. Don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good. We have some guests in the waiting room.

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Speaker 2: I move my body pretty goddamn good in certain situations

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Speaker 2: without any practice. I'm great. I'm great at making love.

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Speaker 2: We'll just say that. But these men, these boys, these brothers,

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Speaker 2: they can move Val and Max Schermarkowski from Dancing with

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Speaker 2: the Stars and much much more. Let's have a chat.

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Speaker 2: How are you well up, guys?

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Speaker 3: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Val has a shirt the most open I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: a shirt worn.

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Speaker 4: I have seen him with a moral.

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Speaker 2: And he's wearing a New York Yankees hat. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's for style or if he's a Yankees fan.

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Speaker 2: What do you say, Val?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I knew he was gonna wear one. That's

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Speaker 4: why I didn't wear mine.

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Speaker 3: Also, I'm just in l A and I'm so proud

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Speaker 3: to be rocking my New York hat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I did the same. The morning after, felt felt

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Speaker 4: some kind of way. But I was proud. I was proudly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, no, I get that. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: you have to represent I was. I was working in

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Speaker 2: got to go to a couple of games, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I wore one of my Dodgers hat. You know, where

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Speaker 2: did you guys? Give me give me a little taste

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Speaker 2: of like sort of growing up? You know, where were

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Speaker 2: you where you grew up in Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: You know, we're six years apart, so and very uniquely.

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Speaker 4: The timing is that I'm nineteen eighties, he's nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety four, we immigrated from Ukraine to Brooklyn, New York.

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Speaker 4: I'm fourteen and he's eight, and that at that moment

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Speaker 4: we in the same household, have completely different views on

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Speaker 4: life and things of that nature because of the ages

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Speaker 4: and kind of the situation that we fell into. But

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Speaker 4: that was it. We immigrated ninety four. I graduated Brooklyn

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Speaker 4: Public High School, so as he went both six years apart. No,

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Speaker 4: that's not true about you already graduated. I'll let him

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Speaker 4: speak his facts. But went for a year to Pace

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Speaker 4: University Manhattan, dropped out after a year. Some six years later,

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Speaker 4: Val went also to pay just by lead here whatever.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, we New Yorkers and two five I joined

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Speaker 4: Dancing with the Stars and started going out into La.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I never moved. It was always

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Speaker 4: kind of like, let's go to La to do the

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Speaker 4: show and then go back, you know, home. And so

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Speaker 4: I really had, you know, the drive to live here,

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Speaker 4: but ended up spending more time here. Uh the last

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Speaker 4: seven years permanent resident now permanent resident. Family, three kids,

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Speaker 4: two of them born and see the SINAI so.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, dude, That's where I was born. That's why all

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Speaker 2: my kids were born.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much did all the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But he said, well, let me let me ask let

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Speaker 2: me ask a question though, Like moving from the Ukraine

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Speaker 2: you were eight, you were fourteen. Obviously of a fourteen

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Speaker 2: year old you have a deeper recollection of it. But

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you do as well, right, And what was

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Speaker 2: that like was there was it exciting you know, or

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Speaker 2: was it you're leaving your home?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I did, I didn't, you know. Just to kind of

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Speaker 3: piggyback off of what Max said, we had a very

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Speaker 3: different assimilation, you know, process in this country and therefore

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Speaker 3: a whole different relationship with countries. So it was exciting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't understand that we're never coming back,

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Speaker 3: from Odessa, Ukraine. So for me, I was I was

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Speaker 3: excited to move. I saw that my parents were stressed.

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Speaker 3: rollerblades the second day in America. You know, I experienced

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Speaker 3: a lot of these We experienced these things together as

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Speaker 2: We'll go and get into that a little bit more,

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Speaker 2: you know, because it's really interesting because you know, look,

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Speaker 2: we've been doing this podcast for years now and talking

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Speaker 2: to siblings. Even though they were came from the same place,

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Speaker 2: our parents did it the same, we take it differently.

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Speaker 2: A lot of these siblings have a way different idea

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Speaker 2: you know, and with that sexier age gap too, even

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Speaker 2: the way that you guys were parented probably was different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt pressure vicariously through him.

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Speaker 4: He felt pressure period, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I think that that's the difference. I felt it

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Speaker 3: So just one example is he's now fourteen, you know,

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Speaker 3: You're you know, you're strong and big and old enough

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Speaker 3: I feel like he immediately found a job teach dance.

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Speaker 3: Dance was already something he started back in Ukraine myself

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Speaker 4: He literally said, let's put on a show. I found.

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Speaker 4: I was like, yo, I have an element that nobody

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Speaker 4: why not, it's in my household. I was a novel basically.

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Speaker 2: Bring on the twelve year old.

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Speaker 3: With yeah, yeah, and again and again we we just

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Speaker 3: for me. That was exciting. I didn't realize that I'm

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Speaker 3: But those are the But now I'm doing the same

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: These are things I'm like, life is amazing. Get to

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Speaker 3: boy as a young man. Again, these are valuable lessons.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at hardships something I can always conquer.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that I can't do where I feel like, again,

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Speaker 3: this is my diagnosis with my brother. He can diagnose himself,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like with him, he's now at an

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Speaker 3: And I think that's really just not a difference of

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Speaker 2: Do you think that if the roles were reversed and

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Speaker 3: Don't want to imply that I didn't have a toelugh

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Speaker 4: We were cold.

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Speaker 3: We understood what's help to be, you know, to be

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Speaker 2: Pretty accurate there, Max, Yeah, No, I actually felt like.

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Speaker 4: I actually felt like, yeah, I just shifted my I

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Speaker 4: fourteen onwards, skipped through everything teenage years, completely did everything

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Speaker 4: because that's already like older generation. So my point, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I and I was trying to tell him,

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Speaker 4: You have a big room to stretch, you can walk around,

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Speaker 4: Super straight. We were just like we could believe it.

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Speaker 2: Life mate, Where were Where? Where is his house?

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Speaker 4: Jersey? Fourth shout out Forthly, New Jersey, right off a

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Speaker 4: Fun fact, Fourth Lee was the original Hollywood before Hollywood

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Speaker 4: You know, this is cool. I think.

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Speaker 4: and they're all in one one and a half room apartment.

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00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: And that's how we grew up. Val was born in

435
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: that apartment. That's where we emigrated to from. So we

436
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: grew up really like this type of closet space. And

437
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: it's not to cry about it. I remember massive room.

438
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: I remember Val, and I had no like I didn't

439
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: feel not until I visited Ukraine back maybe maybe decades later,

440
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: and almost like brought the apartment is matt type. But anyway,

441
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: so at four years old, they gave me into.

442
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: This and jacuzzi in his house in New Jersey.

443
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I was four years old and my

444
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 4: parents again, my my father's father just passed the wet.

445
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: So I believe that a lot of things that he

446
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 4: felt were good parenting came from immediate surroundings. Some people

447
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: took him under their wings. You know, they were hard

448
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 4: man there were you know man men. You know, they

449
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: were like, hey, you gotta like slap him once in

450
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 4: a while, just rephylactically so they know what respect. You know,

451
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: like some of them, I'm being facetious, but a little

452
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: bit of that too. So they gave him one rule

453
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: and he took it on and he's like, look, if

454
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: you limit their free time, there's less chance they'll get

455
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: in trouble, and so perfect I can do that. Let's

456
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: just you know, put him in everything. And at four

457
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: years old, they gave me into School of Aesthetic Education.

458
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: And it was like saying dance eat with knife and fork,

459
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: open doors for girls. That's you know, grown out prints

460
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: and finishing school type of thing.

461
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Finishing school.

462
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: I remember vividly somebody coming in and pointing finger at

463
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 4: like three of us, four of us, and then they

464
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: spoke to our parents and they said, hey, if you

465
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: want them to dance, specific program for dance ballroom dancing

466
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: is called And now I remember they pointed at for

467
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: boys because there's a huge shortage of boys and dance

468
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 4: in general, and this is partner dancing. And so that's

469
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: how my ballroom career started at five years old. I

470
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: wasn't actually talented to be picked. I was just a boy.

471
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 4: It was just fid he'll do it, let's do it, yeah,

472
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: and then a case in point. Until we immigrated, I

473
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 4: didn't really have a good career. It was a very

474
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 4: sort of like not probably dance is not gonna these

475
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: thing no ize where am I? And I played tennis

476
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: and I soccer and that's a chemistry and biology made

477
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. But it was like and dance

478
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: because my parents said go and I went, that was

479
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 4: me vow. This is where I meant. So now we're immigrating.

480
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: And yes he did start in Ukraine, but very basic

481
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: stuff and nothing to write home about, just one little thing,

482
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: little chicken dance. But when we immigrated Blendon and the

483
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: week one our parents decided, okay, so we have this

484
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: fourteen year old who looks like he's about to be

485
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: in trouble because no English, nothing, and we have this

486
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: eight year old. We got applied immediately and they thought

487
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: dance was it because I was already doing it long enough.

488
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: For some reason, pops thought that I had some potential

489
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 4: and so Baalamax went straight into a dance school in

490
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: Brooklyn that I was pointed at to be the best.

491
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: It was like in Brooklyn, you know, Bright Maria. We

492
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: went and the next day Okay, the facts. The next

493
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: this is Fridaday Saturday. There's a local in studio competition.

494
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 4: They give Valve, who's eight, a partner who dances. Val

495
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: doesn't know the steps yet, he's eight. He'd never danced

496
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 4: the steps. He just whatever. He smiled and did some

497
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 4: kind of little cute steppy thing. The girl did steps

498
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: around him. They won't landslide slow, but company and so

499
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: Val literally never lost ever since. In general's terms, speaking

500
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: of like he was that type of prodigy, I cannot

501
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 4: make this up. He didn't start with somebody said, yo,

502
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: he's a fantastic dancer. Said look, he smiled through the

503
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: entire competition, zero fox as they say, like, this level

504
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: of confidence is just bananas. And so immediately he was

505
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: the hottest project of like a ballroom, you know boy.

506
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: And it was that. So that's how he started dancing.

507
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 4: I started dancing back then, and in us I was

508
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: honestly personally was very hopeful that it would end. But

509
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: when I walked into dance studio, this is where I'll

510
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: throw it to him. Is that for me? It was

511
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: because I didn't speak English. If I spoke English, Val

512
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 4: spoken in two weeks it was fluent as an eight

513
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: year old I nine months later was honestly was probably

514
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: going through some cind of teenage depression because I was like,

515
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: why can't I can't understand anything, It's horrible. I don't

516
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: have any communication. But dance, as it turns out, felt

517
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: the same. And it felt like although I was very shy,

518
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 4: did not have this type of experience when I just

519
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: got to that dance studio and you know, I was

520
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: in the back of the class, thought that I was

521
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: really bad, you know, all of that stuff. So it

522
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 4: took me a second, but I felt more comfortable in

523
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: a dance space than I was outside of it because

524
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: the language varied, and then the Russian restaurants, the getting

525
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: a little bit of cash in return for my dancing

526
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: made me feel like this value to this.

527
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: When did you begin to sort of fall in love

528
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: with it when you found some success in it, or

529
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: you still hate it.

530
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: Besides passion and pursuing your craft, there's also a relationship

531
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: with earning money.

532
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I.

533
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: Hate Hey, Yeah, he's right, I tried.

534
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what I get that, dude.

535
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: I will tell you when I enjoyed dance. I started

536
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, when when Val and I had a

537
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: Maximum Val tour we called it and Our Way. It

538
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: was our first national stage dance production, and we decided

539
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: not to just do the chart chat. We did that

540
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: for like twenty years already. We decided to write our

541
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: own story. We had a fantastic gentleman that we found

542
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: that became our friend, and then wrote this incredible stage

543
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: production for dances that's never been sort of done before

544
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: that capacity who told the story and we told our story,

545
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: coming to Brooklyn, coming of age, immigration, you know, things

546
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: that were important to us. And then that's when I realized,

547
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, I cannot, I cannot believe it. I spent

548
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: at that time, well, I mean obviously almost all of

549
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: my life. I'm forty four years old. I only I

550
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: danced for forty years, just moving some kind of movement,

551
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: and most of it has been professional and most of

552
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: it has been money making. Most of it has been

553
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: about that type of exchange. I enjoyed starting twenty sixteen.

554
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: And last thing that I enjoyed was this last summer

555
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: with Val and I part of Saber, which is another

556
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: production that we were helped that would helped put together.

557
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: I mean those type of formats where it's not judged,

558
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: it's not it's not max.

559
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's more of an expression of something personal, you know,

560
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: from an artistic standpoint, rather than you know, punching the

561
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: clock collecting a paycheck. Look, I'm an actor and I've

562
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: been doing it for twenty six seven years, right, and

563
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: I've had a very successful career doing it, made a

564
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: lot of money and all that, and I've loved every

565
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: part that I've done for different reasons, but not necessarily

566
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: because it has been creative fulfillment, Like this is how

567
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: I support my family. So I love being on set

568
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and being in the world. Like, yeah, sure, but if

569
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: I done something in my life as an actor where

570
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm like that was like fucking a true expression, you know, nah,

571
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm doing other people's words. You know. Again,

572
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: you're an actor for hire. You've got to pay for

573
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: your kids, shit, So you know, it is what it is.

574
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: But so I get it when that's something comes along

575
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: where you are, it's true expression. It's just creativity and

576
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: the money's great, but it doesn't really fucking matter because

577
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: you're with your brother and you're actually telling some sort

578
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: of a story rather than just you know.

579
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: But that was the most special opportunity for me in

580
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: dance so so far. Every time that it seems like

581
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: here and I mean, look, I'm not gonna we both

582
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: have fantastic moments outside of our relationship. I've also the

583
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: Broadway shows that I was a you know what a

584
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: privilege to be a b experience. You know, I started

585
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: those shows, so that was even more the marquee, the lights,

586
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. So, you know, but you asked

587
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: about when I enjoyed it to the level that I'm like,

588
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 4: at the top of my head, it's always our shows

589
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: together now, yeah, you know.

590
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: And value the same way.

591
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my relationship with dance has evolved through

592
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: the last thirty years. You know, it started from you know,

593
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: like like Max said, I won my first competition. So

594
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: because you do a lot of reflecting later on in

595
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: your life, you grow up and you're like, how did

596
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: I get here? And why did I get here? And

597
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: so you take your back and so one of the

598
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: questions like dance, why did I pursue dance? Is it

599
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: because I was good at it? Was it because I

600
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: loved it? My biggest like I was always when people

601
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: talk about who's really passionate about dance. Truly, to me,

602
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: it isn't the guys winning. It's the guys all the

603
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: way in the first, second, third rounds that get left behind,

604
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: that still show up, still show up. So they're not

605
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: feeding their vanity or their ego. They're just doing it

606
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: for the of the game. And so I traced it

607
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: all the way back. I never even got a chance

608
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: to see if I love the game, you know, because

609
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: I was now I'm like, well, I like this feeling.

610
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: It's giving me attention, it's giving me this, it's given

611
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: me all these like you know, vanity points, and so

612
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: I to do it. But dance, for us was a sport.

613
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: We competed in ballroom dance. This wasn't my artist stick

614
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: expression expression I joined. I started playing violin when I

615
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: was five, played in orchestras, and so music was my expression. Dance,

616
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: believe it or not, was my sport. You know, if

617
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: it wasn't dance, I would be maybe playing ball or

618
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: playing some other thing.

619
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: You know.

620
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: That was the level. There was this pressure of.

621
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: Just going just winning.

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: I just wanted to win. And so you're come to

623
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: comp to comp to com to com to trophy, trophy

624
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: and I'm like, the accolades are coming in and I'm

625
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: killing it. But then I started teaching. I started to

626
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: teach to make money because when you win these competitions,

627
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's like a no offense, a

628
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: rock paper scissors contest. There's no budget, like you get it.

629
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, how do you make your

630
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: money as a dancer?

631
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: You know?

632
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Dancing with the Stars is going

633
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: to pay you well, I know that will then propel

634
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: you with some notoriety to go do some other shit,

635
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's endorsements, there's all that stuff,

636
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: But as as just someone who's a dancer, I mean,

637
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: how do you How do you make a living as

638
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: a dancer?

639
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: So Dancing with the Stars is now. When we were

640
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: doing it, there was no prospect of these how do

641
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: you make it? You open up a dance studio, you

642
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: come a tea, you are a team. You have to

643
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: teach to dance, you know. And I had an issue

644
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: with that because Lebron James didn't start playing ball because

645
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: he wanted to coach the Cavaliers one day, you know,

646
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: to play and get paid for playing better than everyone

647
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: and for us, those type of numbers didn't exist, but

648
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: there was a huge community that was pursuing this out

649
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: of pride and out of mastery of a craft they

650
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: were passionate about. And that community is gorgeous. It's a

651
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: beautiful community sans way outside of America, throughout Europe, Eastern Europe,

652
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: Western Europe, Asia, South Africa has a big ballroom dance community,

653
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: and that allowed us to see the world when our

654
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: parents had no money to see it, but we got

655
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: sponsored to go to events because we were representing America.

656
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: So I have no regret in that sense. Then joining

657
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars, my relationship with dance involved where

658
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to win trophies anymore, even though I

659
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 3: really wanted to win Dancing with the Stars, but I

660
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: wanted to show off and continue to grow as an artist,

661
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: right So I started to learn other styles like contemporary

662
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: and jazz, and even a form of hip hop, not

663
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: claiming anyone of them of ballroom dance. But I have

664
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: now acquired the range of motion and movement the vocabulary

665
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: beyond just strictly boom, which has expanded my ability to

666
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: perform became a lot more of an artistic expression than

667
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 3: just a job or just you know, who can dance

668
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: the fastest, hardest, strongest, spend the value.

669
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: You know, So dancing with the Stars, are you incentivized

670
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: to keep continuing winning in the competition because you get

671
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: paid for each show? Then if you're if you're, if

672
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: you're the downs the contract like it's just a lump

673
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: sum bang, here you go. If you're out the first

674
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: day day, you're fucking done. That's it.

675
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: Before before the beginning stages, it used to be different.

676
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: Now it's just for pros. Is basically a salary. Once

677
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: you're oh, you get a weekly salary and it lasts

678
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 4: the week. This season, But I want to answer your

679
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: question differently. It's that over the this is season thirty three,

680
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 4: and over the almost twenty years that the show has

681
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: been on on it has been around and kind of cipher,

682
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: you know, seep seeping through a lot of professional dances, movers,

683
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: performance and all that they're they're now finding people that

684
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: fit all of the criteria, a lot of check or checkpoints,

685
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 4: and so it becomes out the kind of person you are,

686
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: the kind of dancing artists you are. Do you have

687
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 4: the motivation too? You know, be on the show stay

688
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: on the right way, so they shouldn't worry about, you know,

689
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: paying your certain way. If you're a dancer, maybe you

690
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 4: have to, you know, entice the celebrities to be participants

691
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: before professional dancer. Dancing start should be the the pinnacle

692
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 4: of your financially a successful career. There are other things

693
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: you hang your head on from. I don't know, you know,

694
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: artistic expression standpoint, but for the personality that I that

695
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: I go to sleep with, that I take my life on,

696
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: like the fundamentals of like like we talked about, you

697
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: also have to survive. This world is fast paced moving

698
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: and you have to survive. And now you're putting kids

699
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: out in there. From that perspective, the.

700
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: Ecosys them has changed as well. Right, So like shows

701
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: like Dancing with the Stars, so you think you can dance,

702
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: world of dance have amplified, then put dance at the forefront,

703
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: therefore inspiring other generations and other people. And you know

704
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: there's a reason why have the lineup on Dancing with

705
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: the Stars is chig Tchimikowsky's if Chenko you know it's

706
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: in European guys. Well, then you have Derek who's phenomenally

707
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: in his own right American adopted by a world champion

708
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: who took him and brought England, and England is kind

709
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: of our mecca of ballum dance. That's where the top

710
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: teachers are the top to you know everything. So he

711
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: was this talented kid that got exposed to the top

712
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: of the line information information that Max and Val had

713
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: to work months for to save up to buy ticket

714
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: to to learn from or hopefully if this teacher ever

715
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: does come to New York, which it probably won't because

716
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: again it's like the Jamaican bobs led team, no one

717
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: in America was actually competing seriously, but if they do

718
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: come out here, we got to hustle and get that lesson.

719
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: So that information, with that extraordinary talent created see all

720
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: that quote Malcolm Caldwell. But like on some level, yeah,

721
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: that we are a product of that too. Just like

722
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: Max said, he got chosen just for being a guy,

723
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: you know the boys. So everybody there there are you know,

724
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: our pits and our highs that they're all there to

725
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: serve a purpose. And we are here not just because

726
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: of luck but also because of luck.

727
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, there's luck in everything that we do.

728
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: Life is filled with luck, whether you believe in luck

729
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: or not, you know what I mean, how can younot? Yeah,

730
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: I mean, forget about just career everything everything. I mean,

731
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: I look back on my childhood and or even in

732
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: my teens in twenties, growing up in la and thinking,

733
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: holy fuck, I got lucky. The things that I would

734
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: do in the situations that I put myself in, you know,

735
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 2: just just being stupid. I was like, God, damn, dude,

736
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: I got lucky, just lucky.

737
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: We got we got luckier, if I may say so.

738
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: And it's not a comparison, but I feel like now

739
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: right where we are now and looking at Ukraine and

740
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: that situation that it was coming here since before we left.

741
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: And the reason why we immigrated to begin with is

742
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: because our parents were young couple who had two boys

743
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 4: in a house who are going to be enlisted one

744
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: way or another. And so, you know, I very publicly

745
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 4: left that place from being a judge on on On

746
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: World of Dance and so and most of the Dancing

747
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: the Stars casts are now enlisted and have been since

748
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: the beginning World of Dance casts. So we're looking at dancers,

749
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 4: man fellow, you know Ukrainian natives like how lucky are

750
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 4: Max and val To have left in the nineties that

751
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: made all this life where we can, by the way,

752
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: also somehow help and influence and speak on behalf of

753
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: and all this stuff, but not have to be right

754
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 4: now at the front line. Isn't that not the definition

755
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: of luck? You know? And so like I look at

756
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: it like everything I do is a bonus, you know,

757
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: everything that comes my way or comes out of of me,

758
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: out of my hands. Oh, how unlucky am I if

759
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: I only had that job. No, that's not the that's

760
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 4: not the luck, not the lack ofly you know. So

761
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: that's how like my perspectives changed a little bit and

762
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 4: how I look at things like.

763
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: Of course, that's that's a great point. I mean, can

764
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 2: we can do a whole other podcast on Ukraine?

765
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: You know right now, Let's do it.

766
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Let's do it next yeah, after tomorrow.

767
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: No, no, no, yeah, that's what I mean. Let's think. Wait, yeah,

768
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 4: you're where this is going.

769
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: I want to talk about dance, sexuality, sex, your wives,

770
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: the heat because obviously, you know, when it's your job,

771
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: it's your job. But there is a chemistry when you dance. Obviously,

772
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: even even as an actor, there's chemistry that you have

773
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: with people in chemistry that you don't you know, but

774
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: it is close quarters, it's sexy, it's hot. I mean,

775
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: how first of all, you met your wives? Did you

776
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: you both wives on Dancing with the Stars? Okay, you it?

777
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 4: I met on Broadway. You went on Broadway and then dancing,

778
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: and that's where would blossom.

779
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. But then value you met your wife

780
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: on dancing? Yeah, okay, so we'll get into that for

781
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: a second. When you were dancing, you have hot partners

782
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: and they're just your partners. How do you keep how

783
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: do you separate those things? I know you're married, now,

784
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: we get it. I get it, I get it. But

785
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying like you weren't married, you know at some

786
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: point in your life, Like how do you separate those things?

787
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: And could you marry a non dancer who doesn't get it?

788
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

789
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: I mean we just spoke about that with Peter, right.

790
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: I'm not going to give them a whole answer. I

791
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like I just feel like, you know,

792
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 4: the to the touch at someone like Val and I

793
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: started as we were kids. We are close. Proximity doesn't

794
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: proximity doesn't exist, Like you can be in my space

795
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 4: and I know whereas a lot of people like when

796
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: you're about you know, three feet, you know, for me,

797
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: it's like you too far, But for some people it's

798
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: like why are you all up in my stuff? So

799
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: things outside of that. We have a really like, really

800
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: good looking couple that we're friends with, of course, just

801
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: and we hang out a lot, and he's very jealous,

802
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: you know this man, and he should be. She's also

803
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: very attractive woman. No. No, we're driving back with Peter

804
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 4: and we're talking about this and like, you know, like

805
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: why am I not you know what's not I'm also

806
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: very jealous man, but just you know, that type of

807
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: job given the trust in my spouse, like I just

808
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: don't have that, you know, if she's being groped, yeah,

809
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: but when she dances with her male partner, and I

810
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: just don't have that emotion.

811
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Even if he is groping her, but just dancing groping.

812
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: I could see that it's not that it's not.

813
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: Like the thing and all of a sudden, his pod

814
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: vagina and you're like, Okay, that's cool.

815
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: Listen, if it's a lift, that's dope, like yes, but

816
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: if it's not necessary and you can do it without

817
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: your hand in that space. But just don't do that. Look,

818
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to say that we we we don't,

819
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: you know. Christiality told me, oh my god, you're so

820
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: flirty and I was like, what do you mean rehearsal

821
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: and it's on tape and she's like, yeah, look where

822
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: your hand is. I'm like, my hand is wet. She's like,

823
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: all on my back and I'm like, your gravity is

824
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: you know, down, I got I gotta use to hands

825
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: sometimes to move. It's not because I love you that much, guy,

826
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: I gotta move you. And so yeah, there's as it's not.

827
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: There's a few things at play, right, So number one

828
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 3: like just to relate it to your world. When you

829
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: shoot a scene, even even like an intimate scene, it's

830
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: so many takes, you know, because when I watch a movie,

831
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh I could do that. No, but can

832
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: you a thousand times in front of all these strangers

833
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: on cue? Play your body to this camera and I'll

834
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: do it again. Play. You know, acting is way more

835
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: than just I showed up that I was. Now they

836
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: captured it and the project's done. So the same thing

837
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: with I mean, there's so much idle time. That's when

838
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: you can like, okay, I have a problem with that.

839
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with dancing. I have a

840
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: problem that you love to spend three hours at lunch

841
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: together doing no dancing. Yeah, you know, I think that's

842
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: more of a but that's not the same proximity.

843
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also the intimacy, the intimacy of rehearsal

844
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: and dancing and the sort of chemistry and attraction you

845
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: almost have to have to have given whatever dance it is,

846
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: because I'm sure there's certain dances that are much more

847
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: romantic or sensual, you know. And then that then the

848
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: three hour lunch right after you've sweat your asses off

849
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 2: and exchange a couple of fluids, then you're like, yeah,

850
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: geez okay, I.

851
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: Want to be like you know, I want to tell

852
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: you all the max answer, But it's it's there's a

853
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: duality to it. It's a little bit of both. It's

854
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: a balance and act partner that you can talk to

855
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: and then to and be reassured from. Then it's cool.

856
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 3: But if you don't have that, then yeah, it's an issue.

857
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: It's a big issue.

858
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, for sure. Without I mean, there's a reason

859
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: why Dancing with the Stars over the last thirty three

860
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: years have produced relationships you know that have gone good

861
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: and bad. You know, I'm more guys just working with

862
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: Nikki Bella, you know her dude that I think they're

863
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: on the rocks, But her dude was was dance with

864
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: you guys as a pro I forget Yeah, yeah, yeah,

865
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, so it happens like you know,

866
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: you're it's it's a hot world that you guys live in.

867
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 4: No, but it's also like you know, for us, and

868
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to speak for most of us, it's a job.

869
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: Then go into it if we're single, and you know,

870
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: I definitely went into some seasons open minded. You know,

871
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: let's you know whatever, it will be, well it will be.

872
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: But I personally had one relationship out of seventeen seasons

873
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 4: that I did. It was very short lived and it

874
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 4: was a mistake all the way in the beginning. So

875
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 4: you're gonna say that I didn't have attractive partners. No,

876
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: I just didn't have enough time to even care or

877
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: think about this. And like bell said, a lot of

878
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 4: idle time, a lot of otfs and soundbites and reshoots

879
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: and camera blockings and you know, stress and nerves and

880
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 4: competition for you know what, I'm saying, and now you

881
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 4: have and you're hurt and sore, and she's now on

882
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: your shoulder crying because her boyfriend husband fiance X just

883
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: showed up because they're upset with some you know me,

884
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: Like it's just tough.

885
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the most important thing is that I love dance.

886
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: I love I can't enjoy dance without you being a

887
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: pornament respectfully is yes, in your direction, but I have

888
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: an intention. I need you. I need you to be great,

889
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: I need you to be happy, I need you to

890
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: be in love. I need you to be because I

891
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 3: want my dance to be what I know. Indeed, so

892
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 3: we need the same page. We need to you know,

893
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: do all of that. So what do I need to

894
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: do for that? If you've got a significant other, we're

895
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: going to go on. I'm going to really clearly try

896
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: to communicate to him or her that kle loves dance

897
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: and partner to execute it at the level that I'm

898
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: used to executing at.

899
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: Have you had have you had issues with you know,

900
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: like with your spouses dancing with dudes where you might

901
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: have like actually felt even tinges of jealousy.

902
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have need to have I think it's.

903
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: Such a taboo thing and people catch feelings about it.

904
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: So I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling because that

905
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: insecurity I feel too. I don't feel it anymore, but

906
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: I've had situations. But even this season. You know, my

907
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: wife right now is partnered with Joey, who is a

908
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: bachelor or previous bachelor. He had just got engaged. He

909
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: has a beautiful say they have an amazing relationship, but

910
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: he is a front runner on this season of Dancing

911
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: with the Stars that's on fire on social media's incredible

912
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: virality right now. Yeah, people are not nice, you know.

913
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: And even though there are no thoughts anywhere in the

914
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: air from Kelsey or Joey or Jenna or Val, but

915
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: there's a lot of terry in the comment section, and

916
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: so all it is it just takes a lot of

917
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: self discipline and trust and communication.

918
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, the comments and all that such, all thats

919
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: fucking bullshit stuff, like you know, I mean, it might

920
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: give you a little bit of an I ever, if

921
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: I do read bad shit, you just can't ever take

922
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: that in. These are just I'm.

923
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: Here, and so from like a human level, it's weird,

924
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: But from a professional dancer level, who has dedicated thirty

925
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: years of life kind of telling stories through this, through

926
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: this medium, I'm standing there telling this grown ass man

927
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: to grab my wife like a fucking man, like a

928
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: little The story of a tango is one that isn't

929
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 3: PG Disney. It's a very it's a very adult story.

930
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 4: Because the same comment section is going to be calling

931
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: out for shitty performance that was missing but the passion

932
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: and lacked some kind of you. But when when you

933
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: presented that dance, they're like, oh, is there is there

934
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 4: a problem in their relationship?

935
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: It's right, Yeah, So just my thought regardless of what

936
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm working with my brother, orm working with my significant other,

937
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: somebody else. You know, there are a lot of relationships

938
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: that are play. But at the forefront of everybody's responsibility

939
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 3: if I have anything to do with it, is the work.

940
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: Is the work. That's it. People are going to pay

941
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: money to see this works and shut up. Yeah, yeah,

942
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 3: that's It's kind of like how I navigate that, you know.

943
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: And if I'm catching feelings, you know, if I'm an

944
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: honest husband, I'm not going to catch feelings right that

945
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: are responsible. I'm going to catch other feelings chemistry. I

946
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: think camaraderie. I think. I think chemistry isn't always sexual. Yeah,

947
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: between teamings, there's a camaraderie. Teams have chemistry. And for me,

948
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: back to the inception of my relationship with dance, which

949
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 3: was sport, my part was a girl was my team.

950
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: That's my guy. You know, girl, We cry together, wait together,

951
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: we lose together, and we have never slept together.

952
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: M Right when that rumba comes on, oh, you better

953
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: present that couple like it has so much passion? Is

954
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 4: otherwise the lineup of judges that like it was less

955
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: than and even more so.

956
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: On that topic. That's why I think ballroom dance is

957
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: so good for kids, Yeah, is because it's the only

958
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: thing where you can create camaraderie, a healthy relationship with

959
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 3: the opposite sex. Every sport is so divisive. You have

960
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: a locker room, girls, guys, girls. Everything is here. There's

961
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: few sports where they're integrate and really learn how to

962
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: collaborate together. So in a society where we're trying to break,

963
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 3: you know, teach kids how to respect each other's space. Respect.

964
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: The irony about us being in each other's space since

965
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: I was eight years old is that I am comfortable

966
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: enough to respect it and to pick up engauge energy.

967
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: You know, I am comfortable of communication.

968
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's so true, especially when you talk

969
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: about getting in that personal space. You guys don't have

970
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: that person. Everything is right here, you know, eye contact.

971
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: There's a confidence that gets built with what it is

972
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: that you guys have done, you know, from such a

973
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: young age. That's where that sort of bravado comes in,

974
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's where that sort of yeah,

975
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: funk off, I'm the man comes in. This has been

976
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: a blast. You guys so much fun. I'll be checking

977
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: you out for sure, all right later, guys, that was fun.

978
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: These guys are, They're cool. I I probably should have

979
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: been a dancer, you know. My hips are very flexible.

980
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: But it's just fun to hear that world.

981
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 4: They were.

982
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: They gave long, very good answers. There were a few

983
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: things I wanted to get to that I didn't. I

984
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: just want to get to the sort of inside of

985
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 2: dancing with the Star. There's gotta be some crazy ship

986
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: that goes on in there. Anyway, I gotta go. I

987
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: love you bees

988
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: M hm