WEBVTT - Stuck in Tar: Part 1 - USC, Texas and Nebraska 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:07.280 Welcome to the solid verbal hull. For me, I'm a man, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:08.119 I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:10.639 be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 You want to be happy for a day? Edo Steak 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:14.440 is that woo woof? 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.520 And them and. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.600 Tie Welcome back to the solburbal boys and girls. Money 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.720 is tight, Helen Brand joining me as homies. Whoa over 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:31.160 there in wintry Chicago, Illinois. Dan Rubinstein howry, I don't 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:32.680 know why I did that. I apologize. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.879 Yeah, your voice is all over the place right now. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.320 I'm just I'm thrilled to be here with you, and 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.479 I'll just speak for me. I'm not afraid of anything 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.879 in this world. There's nothing you Tie can throw at 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.720 me that I haven't already heard. I'm just trying to 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.840 find a decent melody, a song that I can sing 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:47.919 in my own company. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.919 I'm drawing out. I have no idea what that is. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.960 You've got to get yourself too, Oh you do. Stuck 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.880 in a moment. Stuck in a moment and now you 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.920 can't get out of it? Is how that lyric kept going. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.320 Because you two hit a wall around two thousand and 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.560 two thousand and one, Somewhere in there beautiful day was fine. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:09.479 But. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.840 I am very excited for the show if you can 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.039 make it through it physically, because I know you're still 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.399 on the mend, but you are. You're dedicating yourself to 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.920 the cause because I gave you a very specific theme 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.200 I gave listeners and people who follow us on Twitter 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.880 are very specific theme about teams stuck in their own moment, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.520 however long it's been, and they can't get out of it. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.040 And I sent you a link to the Librea tar Pits, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.560 which I'm positive you've never heard of. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.520 I'm glad you pronounced Librea because I was not sure 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:41.959 how to pronounce that second worry. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.240 Really well, that's a major street in Los Angeles. I 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.960 don't expect I'm like, it's dumb for me to expect 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.960 anything from anybody, but I feel as if Librea is 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.960 a pretty well known Lobrea Bakery is a big national thing. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.600 Still drawing a blank. Still drawing a blank. But I'm 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.160 glad that you said the word first before I went 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:02.560 all globe Tomato on it. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:08.760 I believe Lauren Conrad Heidi Montag lived at the Park 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.919 Librea apartments. Okay, we're really going to search your memory 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.240 banks okay. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:13.919 Well that's all. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.600 Welcome back, Welcome one, Welcome all. We're going to get 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.640 into the hill. Yeah, we're going to get into the 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.120 Librea tar pits. And it's connection to this year college 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.679 football podcast in this specific episode. I am Ty, he 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.080 is Dan. We are the Solid Verbal. We are broadcasting 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:36.040 Slash podcasting year round. Go to our website Solid verbal 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.920 dot com for all the intel on how you can subscribe. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.480 We're also out there on social media on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.480 on YouTube at YouTube dot com. Slash The Solid Verbal 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.280 also doing some stuff on Twitch. Did you play the 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.080 games yet? Are you going to be doing it? 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:54.760 I'm stupid and I haven't done it yet. Now I 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.320 have tell me which if people want to suggest to 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.200 I don't know, Instagram, Twitter, Solidverbletgmail dot com, which sne 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.920 S games people want me to stream, I'll just do it. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.600 I'll just go on Twitch and stream myself playing SNAs 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.360 games poorly. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.080 I did notice on there that there are like two 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:18.120 million people who frequent the Mario Kart for Oh, Nintendo switch, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.400 so may I play some Mario Kart? 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.760 I do? Have? You have to hook up your switch 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.440 or N sixty four you have to do something. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:24.880 Yeah, I could hook that. I could hook up the 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.120 switch pretty easily. Oh god, problem, good do it? 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.680 So maybe they all call it Mario or what's the Mario? 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:35.040 I know, I know apparently most normal people refer to 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.960 him as a different moniker, but he's always Mario to me. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.840 And I've still got some NCAA fourteen that I need 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.920 to play. I have to finish out our season. But alas, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.480 you can go to the Twitch as well, Twitch dot tv, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.960 slash Solid Verbal. We're doing some stuff out there as well. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.840 For Ballers dot Com is a Patreon. Just because season's 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.360 over does not mean we don't have bonus content planned 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.040 on the Patreon. Still have folks sign it up for it, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.000 and we do have a Winter Wonders winner, which we 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.400 will announce on our Thursday Eh yeah show, so stay 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.680 tuned for that. We'll talk a little bit more in detail. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:16.279 But but but but we have a show before us 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.040 tonight where you have found a tie into the Librea 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.760 tar pits, Dan, I. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.360 Have, Well, first of all, do you want it any news? 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.400 Is there anything you want to stress your voice out? 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:32.800 I'm not going to yell it, but breaking news, it's 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.119 a breaking news. Sound somebody asked us, is that from 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.960 Always Sonny in Philadelphia. I'll say, if it is, it's 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.160 not intentional because that's an old sound from Apple Garage 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.120 Band that I just pulled and decided it would be 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:45.920 fun to use here. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.360 I think Always Sonny specifically also utilizes a number of 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:57.320 either free or copyright loose sounds and songs they're from 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.640 like generic sound libraries. That's a lot of not copyrighted music, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.400 not expensive music. Yeah, I mean, Tennessee still doesn't have 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.600 a coach, but it looks like the steam might be 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.360 behind Tony Elliott, offensive coordinator at Clemson. Basically at Clemson 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.599 life or played there and certainly has been a coach 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.400 there for I think a decade about so we'll see 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.800 on Tennessee. But they did hire an ad and Danny White, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.720 who seems well regarded, has made some good both football 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.000 and basketball hires going back to his time at Buffalo, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.680 but they pulled him away from UCF. So guys like 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:35.440 Lance Leipold's you know Tony Elliott. Certainly PJ. Fleck now 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.920 is a name that has come up a bit. Ol Ryan, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.840 you know, the new offensive coordinator at Alabama, but certainly 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.400 with his own head coaching experience both in the NFL 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.680 and in college, two different levels of success. But there 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.160 are some bigger names now associated Jamie Chadwell from Coastal 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.359 Carolina with his background, so something to pay attention to. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.000 And it seems like and this will eventually transition us 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.360 to the meat of today's episode. It seems like the 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:10.240 organizational structure and personalities have matured a bit at Tennessee. Okay, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.480 what is that hire of Danny? 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:12.520 What does what does that mean? 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.280 That means that it's been a pretty chaotic administration. And 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.640 if you listen to fans and writers making illusions, guys 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.000 like Jimmy Haslam have wielded a ton of power, you know, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.640 a major booster. He owns who the Browns? 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:28.760 Yes? Is that who he owns? 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.520 And just it's been chaotic in terms of a power struggle. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.040 And you know, hiring Philip Fulmer, who had a little 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.400 bit of athletic department type experience going in, but it 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.120 seemed like a he's a Tennessee guy, he understands this 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.640 place and made a pretty bad hire in Jeremy Pruitt. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.599 It's looking like more and more if some of the 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.320 allegations behind the scenes are true, So that doesn't reflect 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.000 poorly on how that program and how the athletic department 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:56.880 has been running. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.000 I mean, I think the. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.760 Basketball team has been pretty good, but I don't pretend 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.200 to know too much about the details of Tennessee basketball. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.040 But all the same, it seems like when schools get 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:12.000 away from hiring alumni because they're alumni and because they 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:16.520 get it in insert school here, that's when you see 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.840 some growth. When you hire people experience with a lot 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.880 of important successful experience at important jobs that demand it. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.800 So I'm hopeful for that for Tennessee because it's been 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.560 a while since they've had that sort of leadership, it 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.600 seems from the outside. I don't know if you have 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.480 any Tennessee thoughts about who they should hire or any 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.240 specifics about it, but that's where they stand now. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.880 No. I saw some of my Penn State friends. We're 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.720 tracking a private jet from I believe State College to Knoxville. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:53.280 So, okay, interesting given James frankis state for James Franklin, Yeah. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.720 Given his ties to the state of Tennessee. Maybe that's 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.840 I don't know. You know, this is when rumors run crazy. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.000 I've not heard anything to that point, but who knows 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.040 it is a little bit late in the cycle here. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.400 That's when strange things do happen. So book, I hope 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.920 they get their guy. We've we've been wanting Tennessee to 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:15.040 kind of come into its own now for probably as 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.720 far back as I can remember. At this point, it's 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.840 been a while since I felt like Tennessee was a 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.360 true contender. And it's a great school, it's a great stadium. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.360 It's always more interesting when Tennessee is interesting. So I 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.520 wish them well. I don't know that's true. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.560 I hope for just there's a lot of enthusiasm to say, 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.200 to be kind with a word, around Tennessee football, and 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.840 so I hope Tennessee can become successful. I don't remember 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.080 the last time I thought man college football is certainly 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.880 better right now because Tennessee is awesome. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.200 Been a long time. No, it's been a long time, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.000 but fair point. I just think that so long the 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.040 narrative has been about the SEC West being the true 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.880 Titan of the SEC. And now we see Georgia rising up, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.720 we see Florida rising up. It'd be nice to have 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.600 some other schools on the Eastern at. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.040 Least three times. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.040 I mean, I'm trying to prove I know here, Dan, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.440 I mean, you just sort of have to bring your 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.439 own citrus ball to the party if you're talking about Tennessee. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.839 Get point though, I want to I understand, I want 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.880 to see the East rise up. Okay, in some respect, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.880 we could go a lot of weird places with that statement. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.120 Larry Scott, by the way, that's a that's a big deal. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.040 A burying the damn lead man. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.080 Yeah continue, sorry, oh man, Well didn't they announced this 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.640 on inauguration Day? 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.880 I think they did the all time timing for a 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.960 good old news dump. But look, Larry Scott was the 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:46.480 embattled leader of the PAC twelve. What CEO group is that, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.760 what it's called whatever? He was in charge of the 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:54.800 PAC twelve as a whole. We have probably done over 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.120 the course of his tenure at least half a dozen 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.439 at least half a dozen shows. I was talking about 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.920 what's wrong with the PAC twelve and what Larry Scott 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.880 in particular had done wrong in his tenure the top 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:13.200 PAC twelve. So it's not a total surprise that they 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.320 would decide that they want to go a different direction, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.040 but it did catch a lot of folks off guard. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.720 And now this opens up the door for some new leadership, 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.680 some new ideas to hopefully bring this conference into a 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.439 spot where it gets more national prominence, it gets more 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.360 fill in the blank, Dan, What does the PAC twelve 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.200 need more of and who can help them get more 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:35.520 of it? 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:37.880 Fans? 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.160 The PAC twelve needs more alumni of its schools to 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.520 be rabid fans, both in seats at the stadium and 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.960 watching on TV and donating money. I don't know if 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.720 that's a realistic thing. Larry Scott certainly can't control that. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.000 Is that that was gonna be? My question? Is that 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.960 a realistic thing? Out west? Now? 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.240 The best case scenario for the PAC twelve is something 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.520 that the commissioner, alongside employees around him and whoever is 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.719 involved in negotiating a TV deal, puts the conference in 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:19.679 the best possible pr and broadcast positions so that if Oregon, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:26.360 USC Washington, I suppose ASU, and that's probably it. In 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.319 terms of programs that have the ability to rise up 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:36.199 and do fun, interesting things that people in Chicago, Nashville, Birmingham, Miami, Charlotte, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.800 Philadelphia are going to care about watching no matter the 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.400 time zone, then they can succeed. They can absolutely succeed, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.480 but it's a matter of making smart decisions financially on 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.280 a competitive level for the conference that if and when 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.679 those programs do something fun, because we've seen those programs 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.240 to whatever extent, do fun, interesting things or successful things, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.839 but the conference places their games at eleven pm Eastern 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.200 for a big game kickoff, or puts USC in a 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.360 position where they're playing on a Friday night after a 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.640 Saturday road game and don't make the playoff essentially because 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.520 of it. With Sam Darnold, I think that was twenty seventeen, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.360 I want to say, when they ended up playing Penn 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.760 State in the Rose Bowl. Little things like that, getting 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.920 things right from a pr perspective, because they're never going 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:26.080 to like generate thousands and thousands of Arizona donors and 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.240 thousands of thousands of Colorado donors and people in all 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.920 of those cities I named wanting to watch Cal football. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:33.679 It's fine. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.520 They have to be realistic about where they stand right 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.360 now and just hope to put those teams that will 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.360 pop up and do fun, interesting things in the best 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.400 possible position for people to care about them financially. Larry 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.600 Scott putting the conference and you know, the TV deal 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.959 with the PAC twelve network putting the conference in San Francisco. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.320 I think they're playing like eight million dollars in annual 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:58.000 rent or something wild that needs to be improved, that 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.280 needs to be altered, and that is definitely on that 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:07.600 specific vision. So, I mean, you don't see mid level 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.080 sandwich companies basing themselves and super like as Quizno's based 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.480 in the middle of Manhattan somehow, I don't think so. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.720 So I think there just needs to be a reevaluation 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.640 of strategy and that they're going to need to do 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.320 something TV wise and scheduling wise. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.600 But there's a there's a. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.960 Ceiling right now and for the foreseeable future with the 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.600 PAC twelve just because it's not by and large when 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.240 you compare it to the Midwest and the SEC. And 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.280 I talked about this with Andy Staples on his podcast 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:37.800 last night. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:39.360 It's not by and. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.360 Large a place where culturally it matches up with the 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.079 Midwest and South. So you have to do the best 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:45.760 with what you have. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.360 Yeah, Yeah, And that's a challenge, right, That's just a challenge. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.160 The time zone thing has long been a huge problem 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.920 and there's no easy way to solve that. There just 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.160 isn't an easy way to solve it in a way 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.120 that works for both the East and the West coast. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.760 So yeah, it worked for Shanghai with their streaming of 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:05.560 the PAC twelve. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.160 But otherwise, oh man, well more to come on this one. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.679 I thought you were gonna go there first. I'm a 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.760 little disappointed you didn't. But Tennessee still coached, and yeah, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.800 Larry Scott's no longer a top the PAC twelve. All right, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.440 solberbogmail dot Com as always, is the email right in 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.800 let us know your thoughts on this and any and 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.520 all college football matters. We continue to get a number 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:35.240 of questioned comments, and people like sarkstaff. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.440 By the way, what he's putting together at Texas not 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.480 that whisky. Yeah, the Washington decordinator as his new defensive 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.880 coordinator brought some Alabama assistants, Jeff Chote, the Montana state 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.440 head coaches is new. I like the linebackers, I like 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.400 them special teams. Yeah, I mean it seems like an 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.280 impressive group of people that Sark is putting in position 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.160 to win, hoping for the best for them too. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.840 We have him by we I mean mostly you telling me. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.560 We've recently gone on a little bit of a binge 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.880 watch of Steve sarkishan net coaching clinics on YouTube. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.520 That's a good watch. I liked it. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.600 It's not a bad watch. Did you watch it? I did. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:17.880 Yeah. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.120 The guy knows what he's doing. That's why he's the 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.000 coach Texas, why he's coached offense at a number of 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:29.320 places now. But good watch. I warned something, Dan. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.880 Yeah, it was from a clinic I think a couple 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.640 of years ago, a year ago, and I believe it 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:40.040 was a year ago, and man, it's been a long year. Yeah, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.520 it's on YouTube if you look up some sort of 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.200 Sark coaching clinic. I don't think offensive acumen has ever 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.400 been the problem with Sark, but good to see him 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.200 in that position because he's you know, he wasn't able 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.240 to really talk that much at Alabama. So it's some 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.720 nice insight into the Sark offense during that coaching clinic. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.400 This transitions nicely because we've talked about the Tennessee, we've 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.400 talked about USC's conference, and we've talked about Texas. I 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.000 asked people on Twitter choose one of the teams below 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.600 and explain why they're struggling to return to Glory, usc Tennessee, Miami, Nebraska, Texas. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.480 We got a lot of good answers. We got a 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.440 lot of good answers that basically said their. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.440 Fans are unrealistic. It's not nineteen ninety three anymore. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.040 And the snarky side of me, flank of me appreciated that, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.080 But that wasn't all that helpful. So I want to 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.440 talk about those five schools with you and being stuck 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.920 in a moment that you can't get out of, being 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.560 stuck in the Librea tarpits, a gurgling mass of oil 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:45.080 and tar emitting methane that got wooly mammoths and predators stuck, 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.240 and now there are all sorts of fossils in the 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.720 middle of Los Angeles. I want to talk about those 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.480 five schools specifically and the broader lessons that can or 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:57.360 can't be learned from their last I don't know, ten years, 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:58.960 thirty years, It depends on the school. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.080 First, Can we talk about the LaBrea tar pits a 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:03.800 little bit more? Because I didn't know this was a 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.880 real thing. Yeah, it definitely has the feel of like 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.080 the Sarlac in Star Wars or whatever it was called. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.720 The pit I've been on many a field trip. By 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.359 the way, in my day, is. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.080 This like a thing where you're from? Is it close 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:17.280 to you? 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:18.440 Yeah? 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.080 Yeah, it's in the middle of Hollywood, West Hollywood. It's 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.960 probably i don't know, forty five minutes something like that. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:25.639 Not terrible. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.919 Is it enjoyable? Does it stink because of the methane? Like? 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.879 What's that experience? Like? 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.480 Doesn't crack my top twenty five of best places I've smelled? 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.200 Okay, right, Yeah, it's kind of cool. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.680 I mean, you get to see a bunch of fossils 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.959 and there's some history there, and it was generally paired 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.280 with something else in the area field trip wise, like 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.119 you'd get a really good lunch out of it somewhere 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.679 around there, something like that. But yeah, it was among 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.560 the things you can go on a field trip to see. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.880 There's all sorts of museums and science centers in LA 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.480 that we'd go on field trips to. But yeah, Labret 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.280 Tarpits was for sure in the roadation. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.760 We need to do an entire separate episode about field 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.040 trips from back in the day. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.280 I would love to. We have a bunch of off 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.840 topic shows coming up in the off season for our 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.240 Patreon for ballers. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.880 I think field trips would be a great discussion point. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.720 But alas we're talking about teams that just wandered into 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.000 the Lebretar pits or whatever it is closest to them, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.639 why don't we start with USC? Since okay, since USA 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.720 is there, yeah, not all that far from there. What 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.280 kind of responses did we get to this? 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.040 It was a lot of administration stuff. It was a 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:41.119 lot of hiring Pat Hayden, Mike Garrett, bringing in Sark 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.920 and Lane Kiffin to get the band back together. Certainly, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.520 what the NCAA did to USC and didn't retract from 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.720 USC when it became clear that in retrospect their case 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.840 was pretty awful. Considering the punishments levied at the Trojans, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.639 that hasn't really looked all that rosy looking back on 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.919 the nc DOUBLEA. So, you know, dealing with the scholarship 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.480 issues that they've had to deal with, but then it's 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.240 making mistakes and it certainly seems like Clay Helton is 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.920 not going to hit the expected ceiling. But then on 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.560 a bigger level, on a higher level, what is the 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.520 commitment like at the top for USC from the you know, 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.240 whatever it is, President Chancellor regents whatever, like, is there 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:28.040 an actual commitment to bringing USC to a national platform 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.560 or is it just hoping it happens despite not devoting resources. 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.840 And by resources I mean support staff, facilities, and they've 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.280 upgraded facilities and stuff like that recently, but still there 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.280 is a sort of backslappy way to how things work 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.560 at Heritage Hall. I don't think has been fully fumigated 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:52.040 out of that program. And so now they're just sticking 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.840 with Clay Helton because he has a huge buyout and 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.920 is stable at head coach after the Sark and Lane 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:04.320 Kiff and eas and it seems like right now they've 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.160 just set a ceiling for themselves because of these programs. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.199 Their path back to at least consistent New Year six games, 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:18.000 if not the playoff, seems the cleanest hypothetically to me. Now, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.000 Texas isn't a better place right now than USC to me, 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.320 But in terms of pathway, especially with the quarterback they're 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:31.080 bringing back, USC should get there quicker. But USC also, 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.399 I mean, you look at the different elements that helped 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:41.280 Pete Carroll get USC to the national stage, and it's luck, 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.520 it's health, luck, it's hiring Pete Carroll, Luck, it's that 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.480 the Pac Ten wasn't necessarily consistent at the top during 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.159 their stretch run between Washington being very very down, Oregon 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.879 being sort of inconsistent after the Joey Harrington years. You know, 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.920 it's dirt cutter. There's not a lot of killers in 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.800 the Pac ten at this time, like two thousand and 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.120 two to two thousand and eight essentially, so a lot, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.159 And that's true of a lot of teams looking back 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:12.639 at their glory days. But for USC specifically, it doesn't 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.560 seem like it'll take a lot to unmuck themselves beyond 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.640 starting over hiring super qualified people at the top, which 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.800 it seems like they've done at Athletic director with Mike Boone. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.360 We'll see what happens if it remains a football higher 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.879 the name excellent name, But I think it's rather a 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.480 question of self scouting, self awareness and identity, like does 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.920 USC want to put into its program what Ohio State does, 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.040