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Speaker 1: I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: Tie Welcome back to the solburbal boys and girls. Money

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Speaker 2: is tight, Helen Brand joining me as homies. Whoa over

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Speaker 2: there in wintry Chicago, Illinois. Dan Rubinstein howry, I don't

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Speaker 2: know why I did that. I apologize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your voice is all over the place right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm thrilled to be here with you, and

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Speaker 3: I'll just speak for me. I'm not afraid of anything

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Speaker 3: in this world. There's nothing you Tie can throw at

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Speaker 3: me that I haven't already heard. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 3: find a decent melody, a song that I can sing

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Speaker 2: I'm drawing out. I have no idea what that is.

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Speaker 4: You've got to get yourself too, Oh you do. Stuck

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Speaker 4: in a moment. Stuck in a moment and now you

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Speaker 4: can't get out of it? Is how that lyric kept going.

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Speaker 4: Because you two hit a wall around two thousand and

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Speaker 4: two thousand and one, Somewhere in there beautiful day was fine.

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Speaker 3: I am very excited for the show if you can

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Speaker 3: make it through it physically, because I know you're still

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Speaker 3: on the mend, but you are. You're dedicating yourself to

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Speaker 3: however long it's been, and they can't get out of it.

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Speaker 3: And I sent you a link to the Librea tar Pits,

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Speaker 3: which I'm positive you've never heard of.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you pronounced Librea because I was not sure

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Speaker 3: Really well, that's a major street in Los Angeles. I

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Speaker 3: don't expect I'm like, it's dumb for me to expect

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Speaker 3: I believe Lauren Conrad Heidi Montag lived at the Park

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Speaker 3: Librea apartments. Okay, we're really going to search your memory

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Speaker 1: Well that's all.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Welcome one, Welcome all. We're going to get

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Speaker 2: into the hill. Yeah, we're going to get into the

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Speaker 2: Librea tar pits. And it's connection to this year college

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Speaker 2: football podcast in this specific episode. I am Ty, he

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Speaker 2: is Dan. We are the Solid Verbal. We are broadcasting

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Speaker 2: And I've still got some NCAA fourteen that I need

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Speaker 3: It's USC wanting to be something without working to get there. Fully,

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Speaker 2: It does have a feel of that. I saw. We

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Speaker 2: has had a hard time getting the most out of

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00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: that talent. And when it shows up on campus, a

437
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 2: lot of the guys are highly regarded. They obviously had

438
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: banner careers as high school athletes, but it just seems like,

439
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, over the last better part of a

440
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: decade now, USC has had a hard time getting those

441
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: guys to their absolute ceiling.

442
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 3: Yes and no, they've put together some really impressive seasons.

443
00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 3: I went back, like the twenty fourteen season, was Codyler

444
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: going like thirty seven touchdowns five picks. I think they

445
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: went nine to three, But they had that dut against

446
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: Boston College. I look back, Tyler Murphy, by the way,

447
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: won that game at quarterback for BC five of fourteen. Yeah,

448
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: for like ninety one yards. He ran for a ton.

449
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: But it's just there's that letdown, and so it's our

450
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: old favorite Seinfeld moment. It's not about the taking the reservation,

451
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: it's about the keeping of the reservation. It's not always

452
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: just about the acquisition of talent. It's about the development

453
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: and making that talent care every week. And so that

454
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: has been the issue, along with the actual numbers of talent.

455
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: If you're only suiting up sixty five scholarship guys because

456
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: of terrible you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, whatever, but

457
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: have you, it's it's a bigger challenge. But yes, you

458
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: are right. It's it's the coaching staff thing. It's the

459
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: dedication to growing a program thing. It's not just the

460
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: acquisition of four star guys, five star guys, but guys

461
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: that fit in your locker room, Guys that will.

462
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Contribute to a winning culture. That kind of thing. And

463
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: when you're a.

464
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: School like you and you have your proverbial pick of

465
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: talent in southern California, maybe it's also good to go

466
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: into Nevada. Maybe it's also good to go into Arizona.

467
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: Maybe it's good to go into Texas and get the

468
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: Texas Tesla. Like Ronald Jones, Like you don't necessarily say

469
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: we can just build a team based on people within

470
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: fifty miles of the school. It's how do we build

471
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: a team that adheres to this specific vision. We need

472
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: players that meet this specific criteria. And that's where I

473
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: think USC has fallen off, or had fallen off on

474
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 3: their way to inconsistent results.

475
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: You know where you don't go though for USC. If

476
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: you don't go in the little brea tar pits Dan,

477
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: you don't go.

478
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 3: Should we get like a gurgling tar bubbly sound to

479
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: put in at it in post okay, okay, at it

480
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: and post thank you? It is literally natural asphalt. Yeah,

481
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 3: it is natural. It's an end natural asphalt reserve. And

482
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: I think the broader point with USC is what the

483
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: broader point is, Expectations are tricky, and you can't just

484
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: as a fan base or as a school, expect certain

485
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: things because of advantages. If you're not following through in March, April, May,

486
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: June on what it takes to reach whatever the high

487
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: ceiling of college football is right now, that's where USC.

488
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: That's what I think Al's USC. That's the lesson there,

489
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: because you're right, you look, I mean that twenty fourteen

490
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: team specifically, it's a great example. I think they went

491
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: nine to three before their Bowl game. You're talking Juju

492
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: Smith on one side, Nelson Aguilar on the other, Antwine Woods,

493
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: and Leonard Williams upfront on defense. Legit NFL players like

494
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: longer NFL careers, successful NFL careers across this roster, and

495
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: just I know this is when things went sort of

496
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: hay wire for Sark. But man, it just seems like

497
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 3: the story of USC so much potent every year, and

498
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: just what are they doing behind the scenes to fortified

499
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: depth and making sure they're recruiting the right guys, hiring

500
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: the right guys Because I think they hired Sark over

501
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: Chris Peterson. That's a nice little what if. I don't know,

502
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: it's it's sort of the getting rid of the fumigating

503
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: the Hubris thing. I think it is where USC has struggled.

504
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Do you can you want to take a guess at

505
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: the oldest material that was recovered from the little brea

506
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: tar pits, like by year or the actual substance per

507
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: radiometric dating of preserved wooden bones.

508
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: Preserved wooden bones over a million years old?

509
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: No, thirty eight thousand, millions thousands, Okay, one a million

510
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: where are we going?

511
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: What I just screw out a number. Let's talk about

512
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: Texas the school. That's how closely associated. Let's move from

513
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: west to east. I guess Texas. I'm now looking at

514
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: a map Nebraska versus Texas has compared to USC.

515
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: Well, let's just do Texas anyway.

516
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: Let's do Texas. Okay, Texas. So I feel like this

517
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: has changed over the course of time. What was the

518
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: rub on mac Brown when he left? The rub was

519
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: sort of that what the game had passed him by

520
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: a little bit, that he wasn't turning talent into its

521
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: optimal version right that. Of course, there was the famous

522
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: story of recruiting Johnny Manziel to play a safety. So

523
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: there were a couple of things going on at the

524
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: end of Max's tenure when they eventually ran him out

525
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: of town lightly to my eyes, slightly more west than Lincoln. Oh,

526
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: it's pretty close. Continue so Texas to me, outside of

527
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: the whole mac thing which went south, he had a

528
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: great run, won a title. Of course, they have been

529
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: in limbo ever since, and it feels like Texas, maybe

530
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: even more so than USC, has been just a dearth

531
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: of leadership, Like who has that unifying vision that the

532
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: entire fan base is going to get behind and can

533
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: take the next step with that program. I just don't.

534
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's easy now after the fact, after a

535
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: couple coaches that have gone the way of the DODO, like,

536
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: it feels easy to say it now. I'm trying to

537
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: think how I felt in the moment about some of

538
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: these hires that they brought in. It just feels like

539
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: all of them went south really quick. I remember the

540
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Charlie Strong hire, and that was going to be a

541
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: transformational move, and it just seems like that came off

542
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: the swivel very quickly. Tom Herman another example of that,

543
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: Tom Herman. Tom Herman was on the show. We were

544
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: asking him about his aptitude and being part of the

545
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: MENSA Club. Like all these guys that were supposedly going

546
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: to get the most out of that situation never did.

547
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's because any of them were

548
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: bad coaches. I just think it's there was there's always

549
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: been friction with respect to the leadership. Counterpoint a Charlie

550
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Strong Texas squad lost to Kansas counterpoint counterpoint, Yeah, is

551
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: that fair to say? Yeah, but I think it goes

552
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: a little bit deeper. Well, first of all, Mac Brown.

553
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: If we're talking about the heights of mac Brown and

554
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: returning to the glory days, this is what Mac Brown

555
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: in Texas did between two thousand and one and two

556
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: thousand and nine in terms of wins including this is

557
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: including bowls. So take that with whatever size grain of salt.

558
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Eleven eleven, ten, eleven, thirteen, ten, ten, twelve, thirteen, not

559
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: a single single digit win between two thousand and twenty ten.

560
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: It's pretty good, pretty good, really good.

561
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Two national championship appearances.

562
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: Of course, Colt McCoy gets hurt two thousand and nine,

563
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: but the two thousand and five season just incredible. So

564
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: what is interesting to me, especially when you look at

565
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: some of these other schools, is Texas. I think the

566
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: Mac Brown thing is not that the game passed him by,

567
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: that you just can't whiff on quarterbacks and you just

568
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: can't get lazy recruiting. And that's the sort of thing

569
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 3: where just because you can get essentially for whatever stretch,

570
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: most of the five stars in the state of Texas

571
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: that you want for a stretch doesn't mean building a

572
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: program without being more discerning or seeing how some players

573
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: start their senior year and so forth and so forth

574
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: isn't worthwhile, And so we saw a lot of mac

575
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: Brown wrapping up his recruiting classes on junior Day, and

576
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: I guess that's okay if it works out. Guys change, guys,

577
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: priorities change, guys get hurt, things change, and so it

578
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: just seemed that the end, mac Brown wasn't attacking every

579
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: element of running a program the size of Texas like

580
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: perhaps he wants. I think that's reasonable to say. And

581
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: then you couple that with every egg in the Garrett

582
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: Gilbert basket, right, and that doesn't work out, and then

583
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: it's the David ash injury issues. He has a somewhat

584
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: promising twenty twelve case McCoy doesn't fully work out, and

585
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: that's into you know, you're getting into Charlie Strong and

586
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: Tyrone Swoops and Jerrod Hurt, Like you can't whiff on

587
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: quarterback at Texas. There are too many amazing options to

588
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: choose from that it is mandatory that you at least

589
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: find yourself a B plus quarterback, which is what I

590
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: think Sam Ellinger is. But that brings me to sort

591
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: of access of mediocrity, and that goes coaching staff quarterback whatever.

592
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: But there is also that element of I am going

593
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: to tie my success to this B B plus quarterback

594
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: with a pretty well defined ceiling and hope that it

595
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: doesn't come back to bite me. Spoiler it always does.

596
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it's Sam Ellinger, it's Tommy arms Strong, it's

597
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: ja Corey Harris, it's you know, all these types where

598
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: you're saying, and I B plus might be generous in

599
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: some of those seasons where you're saying, I am not

600
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: going to be I'm going to be too sentimental and

601
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm not.

602
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Going to be.

603
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Win at all costs and do what's actually best for

604
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: the program, which is search out the best possible answer

605
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: at quarterback every year and open the competition. Unless my

606
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: quarterback is a legit star. My quarterback is not a

607
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: legit star at Texas, competition is open. I think you

608
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: have to have that mentality at places that big.

609
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the quarterback thing's been concerning, and I also feel like,

610
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, so I point to leadership Tyler Bray. Sorry,

611
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: thank you, don't do that ever again. Just yell that

612
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: interrupt you. Which while we're prey Toiler Bray, but the

613
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: leadership thing is is one angle. The cohesive, unifying vision

614
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: is obviously a symptom of that, but like it's just

615
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: never been both sides of the football, or even two

616
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: sides of the same side of the football working in Unison.

617
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: It's been a lot of disparate parts kind of going

618
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: opposite directions and never felt like they've been rowing in

619
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: the same direction since that nice run that they had

620
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: at the end of I guess the Oughts, right, It's.

621
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: Just yeah, and there were moments in twenty eighteen, Tom

622
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: Herman had a really nice They've had moments.

623
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: They've had moments to look under Herman, they were good

624
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: in big games. They were good in big games, they

625
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: were they were good in bowl games, right, But as

626
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: forgetting them to kind of that next level just hasn't happened.

627
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: So what's keeping them stuck throughout We're now talking about

628
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: three different coaches. What's keeping them stuck?

629
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think what Gotham stuck was leadership. I think

630
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: what's keeping them stuck is so you're.

631
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: Talking ad are you talking Boosters head coach? I think

632
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: the whole school leadership. I think the whole lot. Yeah,

633
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: I think the whole lot.

634
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: I think it's they've not been able to put together

635
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: a formula where the coach does this, the ad does that,

636
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: boosters have their role here, likes it just feels like

637
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: a big old mishmash. And sure it's hard at a

638
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: school like Texas, right, that's really tough. So I think

639
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: that's keeping them stuck. Hopefully they can kind of navigate

640
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: their way out of that now. But the talent thing,

641
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: to your point of you can't have a B plus

642
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: quarterback or you need to have at least a B

643
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: plus quarterback, they haven't been able to really develop talent elsewhere, right,

644
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: And so just that inconsistency to me, I don't know.

645
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: There's also well there's also the element of when you're

646
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: talking about leadership and you're talking about voices behind the scenes,

647
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: is the coach hiring a staff that he fully believes

648
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: in or is there somebody saying this is the guy,

649
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: or don't hire this guy. We don't like this guy

650
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator, you can't hire him. Like, how much

651
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: is the coach empowered? And then what is the coach

652
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: like in terms of force of personality to keep those

653
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: voices at bay, because that leaks into everything that becomes

654
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: a distraction when you have all sorts of cooks in

655
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: the kitchen saying, that's a little much tarragon in that still,

656
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: I don't know that lunch taragon. Why don't we take

657
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: out some tarragon? Why don't we take out half of

658
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: that rescue like when you start. And that's maybe the

659
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: singular hidden Nick Saban talent, because it almost seems like

660
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: it's the exception to the rule at a lot of

661
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: these enormous places to keep that train rolling as long

662
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: as possible, what Nick Saban has done, given how many

663
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: voices are in that background at Alabama, that that might

664
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: be the singular talent. And it's his winning that obviously

665
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 3: does it. But he has full daily control and makes

666
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: correct decisions every day, because as soon as he doesn't,

667
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: that's when the voice get a little bit louder. Was

668
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: and Tom Herman that that force of personality maybe at times,

669
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: but not overall. It seems doesn't seem like it was

670
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: for Charlie Strong. Seems like mac Brown had a really

671
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: good stretch of being but he got into that sort

672
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: of senate oriol older not perhaps being as hungry near

673
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: the end of that. And I don't know if that's

674
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 3: the quarterback evaluation thing. And he made changes, he found

675
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: a you know, a young hungry Manny Diaz, I think

676
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: from Mississippi State, like he identified some good coaches. Brian

677
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: Harson was brought in, I think as his offensive coordinator there,

678
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: and it just.

679
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: It didn't work.

680
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: It didn't work because you got to find a quarterback

681
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: and you can't stay that well. You can't screw up

682
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: quarterback in Texas well. So that's what I think big

683
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: picture it really And I don't know if Sark is

684
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: that for us a person.

685
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

686
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if the staff, I don't know Sark

687
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: is that either. But the staff, the staff's interesting, you know.

688
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: I I remember a few hires ago there was one

689
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: Division one head coach who was in the mix and

690
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: wanted the job, but ultimately turned it down because he

691
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: didn't have control over his staff. I don't know if

692
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: that would have been a good hire, but I know,

693
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: at least in one instance, that used to be the case.

694
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't like it's quite the case now with Sark. You know,

695
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: he's really thinking outside the box, not necessarily going for

696
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: the sexiest name, but trying to get guys in there

697
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: that he thinks are going to be helpful. We'll see,

698
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: we'll see if it changes. You want to do Nebraska now. Sure.

699
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: By the way, Mike Stoops was apparently offered a job

700
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: on that Texas staff and that was rescinded by Sark

701
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: because of like internal backlash. Yeah, so it's that might

702
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: be test number one. We'll see, And that's when I

703
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: think Jeff Choke got the job. Let's do Nebraska. Nebraska's fascinating.

704
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: So Nebraska left the Big Twelve. Nebraska was in the

705
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: Big Twelve forever mm hmm, and decided to go to

706
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: the Big Ten, which I still thinks a good move financially.

707
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of commentary here that culturally it

708
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: wasn't the best move for Nebraska, but we can debate

709
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: the merits of that here in time. Look, the college

710
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: football world has grown in many different directions since Nebraska

711
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: was a force, right, It's it's just a different ballgame now.

712
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like recruiting is always going to be

713
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: a challenge to a place like Nebraska. You've got to

714
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: have a system, like a Tom O'Brien had a system

715
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: and be very good at it.

716
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: I know you meant Tom Osborne, but I love that

717
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: you said to Tom O'Brien.

718
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Different guy tom Osborne. You know who I meant, Nobody

719
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: in the great state of Nebraska. I apologize, It's okay

720
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: tom Osborne, right, yeah, But he was very good at

721
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: running his system. Folks knew what it was. It had

722
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: an identity, he could recruit to it, and eventually he

723
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: hit critical mass with it or it just kind of

724
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: fed into itself. It was very dominant for all those years.

725
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: They've lost that identity. Right over the years, they've lost

726
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: that identity. I don't know if that old Osborne identity

727
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: would even work nowadays. Probably not. But I just kind

728
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: of don't know what Nebraska is. I thought we knew

729
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: what it was going to be when Scott Frost got there,

730
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: that it was going to be this high flying offense

731
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: that was going to be a ton of fun to watch.

732
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: And I still think he's a good coach, But even

733
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: he's had difficulty building out that system in the same

734
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: way that we saw it down at like a UCF

735
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: hasn't materialized. So I think we got to start with

736
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: the recruiting question of are they able to attract the

737
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: talent even to Lincoln, Nebraska that they could down in Orlando,

738
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Dan despite the fact that it's like two separate planes

739
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: of college football. I think that's a fair question to ask.

740
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Scott Frost was a no brainer. Higher the sentimentality was there,

741
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: which can become an issue like we sort of talked

742
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: about with USC. I agree to a certain extent. So

743
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: Nebraska and success was tied to a lot of different things, right.

744
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: Their strength and conditioning program was way ahead of its time.

745
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: People snicker while listening and say, well, maybe a little

746
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: too ahead of its time in terms of what some players,

747
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: all players whatever put into their bodies. All conjecture, but

748
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: that's a line of thinking. But certainly, yes, the strength

749
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: and conditioning as well ahead they had the walk on program,

750
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: They had all sorts of things to build up depth.

751
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: That was the play.

752
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: Certainly, it was an extremely winnable conference at its height,

753
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: because I mean the modern height, because I think Oklahoma

754
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 3: was pretty down in the mid nineties if you look

755
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: back Gary Gibbs and the one year of the disastrous

756
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: year of Howard Schnellenberger. So there were advantageous things, just

757
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: like when Texas was at its height, if you look

758
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: at the Big twelve North and who they had to

759
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: play year in and year out in a Big twelve

760
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: championship game. It's more acxis of mediocrity. So I'll due

761
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: respect to some of those Northern teams, but still look

762
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: at the records. It wasn't amazing. A lot of people

763
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: like to point out the Nebraska thing of like, oh,

764
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: it's not ninety five anymore. You can't just expect to

765
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: be amazing. Yes, and no, Nebraska is in a really

766
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: nice position.

767
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Certainly.

768
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: Recruiting change that got more national to move to the

769
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: Big ten I think was a disaster for its recruiting

770
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: because you lose the Texas footprint if you're all the sudden,

771
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: if you're playing Texas Tech and Baylor.

772
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: And TCU or whatever.

773
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: If there is some sort of evolved Big twelve whatever

774
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: with Nebraska still in it and adding a school like TCU,

775
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: there's good reason for a high level three star, low

776
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: level four star, four star whatever kid to go to

777
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: Nebraska because you know you're going to be playing in

778
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: front of friends and family, you know, you know you're

779
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: going to be playing in your home state. So there

780
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: is that recruiting footprint element. And Nebraska is I mean, it's.

781
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: Just a small state.

782
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: I think it's the thirty eighth largest state in the country.

783
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: Can you name the third largest city in Nebraska. I

784
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: had to look it up.

785
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: The third largest city.

786
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Omaha one, Lincoln two. I'd be shocked if many

787
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: people that are not from Nebraska could name Bellevue, Nebraska.

788
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: Is that the answer, that's the answer. Yeah, nah, no, sorry,

789
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: you're right. It's just it's different. It's difficult, and I

790
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: don't want this to come off as tectoring or lecturing

791
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: or whatever, but Nebraska has to be very specific. And

792
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: I think the specific fault of Mike Riley, who recruited

793
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: pretty well, but the specific fault of Scott Frost. It

794
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: comes down to. It's that sentimentality. Four years of Tommy

795
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: Armstrong four took over for her Taylor Martinez four years Okay, okay,

796
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: but that is a signal. The Frank Solich thing I

797
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: know people are going to point to because he was

798
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: winning a bunch of games and whatever, and he went

799
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: to Ohio and he's been very good at Ohio for

800
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: a long time. There were high expectations. Nebraska just couldn't

801
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: see the writing on the wall years in advance that

802
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: college football was evolving. And if you've got a successful coach,

803
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: just hold on to him. Now, maybe there are interpersonal

804
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: issues that I'm not touching on here that are part

805
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: of the story. But all the same, the Nebraska thing,

806
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: it's just harder to win there, but I will insist

807
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: it's not impossible.

808
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: So let me as if you let me, let me

809
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: ask you a question, then let me ask you kind

810
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: of a related question. Yeah, Scott Frost, I agree, no brainer. Hire.

811
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: I still believe in Scott.

812
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: Frost, though it was almost hired at Florida, almost hired

813
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: at Florida, Scott Frost, no brainer, hire, take him home

814
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: to Nebraska.

815
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: I like the move. My confidence has waned a little bit.

816
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: Not going to lie, but I still think he's the

817
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: right guy for the job.

818
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Mhm.

819
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: That being said, if I were to unhire Scott Frost

820
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: and in his place hire Matt Campbell, would you feel

821
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: differently about the state of the program.

822
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: Uh?

823
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

824
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: I think Matt Campbell has proved it at a difficult

825
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: place to win and Scott Frost hasn't. I don't think

826
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: UCF is a difficult place to win in that conference.

827
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: I because of the nearby talent. Now, there are lots

828
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: of schools Miami Hurricanes near a lot of talent that

829
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: cannot win on an expected level. But you seef in

830
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: that specific conference with that talent, and you know, having

831
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: nearby powerfy programs that guys are transferring away from, I

832
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: can just land at UCF that kind of thing. It's

833
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: a great place to be. And this is our old

834
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: what our iron chef versus chop thing? What can you

835
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: do with weird ingredients? What can you do with the

836
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: best ingredients? People aren't food? But that's my analogy.

837
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: And Nebraska is.

838
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: But I think I'm going to insist you can win

839
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: at Nebraska. But the vision has to be very specific.

840
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: The recruiting has to be very specific, and the assistant

841
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: hire and culture has to be more specific on a

842
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: level probably unmatched at any other Power five wanna be

843
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: huge program.

844
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: The recruiting thing is a very interesting problem at Nebraska

845
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: because you're just not buy population center. Somebody wrote in

846
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: about this, and it's fair point true. You're not by

847
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: population centers, which means that, given the fact you can't

848
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 2: really ride on the old tom Osborne coattails at this point,

849
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: not riding on legacy in twenty twenty one, you have

850
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: to be very deliberate about where you're spending your time

851
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: and your resources to go out and bring new talent in.

852
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: And now that you're removed from the Big twelve, do

853
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: you lose that pipeline you might have had into the

854
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: state of Texas. I don't know, but it's a very

855
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: very difficult nut to crack if you're Scott Frost to

856
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: go out there to bring talent in. And you know,

857
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: I almost compared a little bit to like a Lubbock,

858
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Right you're kind of in the middle of nowhere.

859
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no.

860
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: No, not quite.

861
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: Come on, you're still in West Texas. Is that can

862
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: be out there, but you're still in state and playing

863
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: in state schools every week. That's my put a lot

864
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: of the time. Yeah, that's my point.

865
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: My point is that there's a similarity there, but it's

866
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Speaker 2: almost more difficult. So, I don't know, more difficult. It's

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Speaker 2: a very interesting problem. I certainly hope that Scott Frost

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Speaker 2: can put all the pieces together. But I think with

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Speaker 2: all the schools that we've talked about here so far,

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Speaker 2: USC Texas, Nebraska is the one that's the hardest to

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Speaker 2: solve for a number of different reasons. That being said,

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Speaker 2: that being said, I think the Big ten West might

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Speaker 2: be the easiest side of the conference to win.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's the easier side for sure.

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Speaker 2: So if you can get a little bit of momentum,

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Speaker 2: you can build your profile up pretty quickly. But it's

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Speaker 2: getting it's breaking out inertia, right that I think is

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Speaker 2: the hardest car Yeah, getting out of those pits. Yeah

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 3: So, by the way, two thousand and nine, two thousand

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Speaker 3: and nine, the two thousand nine Nebraska defense was arguably

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Speaker 3: the best defense in the country. Now we're going back

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Speaker 3: now eleven twelve years. Where's Jared Crick from Tie I'd

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Speaker 3: be shocked if you knew this because I had to

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Speaker 3: google it eleven seconds ago. It's from Albuquerque. Where's Damakan

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Speaker 3: Sioux from He's from Portland. They can build a program,

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Speaker 3: they can recruit. It's Bo Polini and he had that reputation.

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Speaker 3: But if Scott Frost is going out and hiring or

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Speaker 3: whoever is replacing scy Frost next year, the year after whatever,

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Speaker 3: is going out and identifying assistant coaches with very specific

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Speaker 3: relationships in different parts of the country, maybe the western

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Speaker 3: half or the midwestern part of the country where they're

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Speaker 3: just they have this reputation for unearthing high quality starting

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Speaker 3: three star defensive lineman offensive linemen and turning them into

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Speaker 3: four star, five star type talents once they're in college.

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Speaker 3: Nebraska can beat most teams in college football, but it's

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Speaker 3: that very specific vision. It's hiring that coach with those relationships,

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Speaker 3: with that ability to sell, with that ability to build

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Speaker 3: a culture, which it seems like Scott Frost just isn't

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Speaker 3: that guy, because that's a tough ass job.

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Speaker 2: Tough job, tough job. Look, I've enjoyed the fact that

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Speaker 2: we've had actual conversations about these situations and that we're

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Speaker 2: not just buzzing through it. So my proposal is, why

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Speaker 2: don't we bump off what schools do we have left?

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Speaker 2: We have Miami?

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Speaker 1: Who else Tennessee?

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Speaker 2: Tennessee. Maybe we'll throw another third school in, maybe like

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Speaker 2: Michigan or somebody can't believe you're giving me the red light,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that on Thursday as part two. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I like that we have to find an international tar pit,

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Speaker 2: an international tar pit. Sure, yeah, but I want to

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Speaker 2: give ourselves a chance here to you know, expound on

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Speaker 2: some of these points and get some more commentary from

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Speaker 2: the overballlerhood because I'm looking through we got a lot

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Speaker 2: of great answers, and the show's already running a little

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Speaker 2: bit long in the tooth, so we'll have that conversation

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. If you're cool with that. I'm cool with that,

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Speaker 2: all right, Dan. Where can people find us?

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Speaker 3: What your only fans? Your secret only fans is as follows.

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00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: They can find us solid reble dot com, follow us, Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Twitter, blah blah, bah blah.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that's listening to the show still at this point

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Speaker 3: either knows where they can find us or is an

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Speaker 3: above average Who's an above average quarterback? Who is the

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Speaker 3: most above average quarterback currently playing in college football?

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Speaker 2: Tie?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to compare their googling skills too.

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Speaker 3: And if you'd like to support the show, because this

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Speaker 3: is what we do, this is your support is extremely meaningful.

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00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: Patreon is an option for you forballers dot com to

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00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: learn more who is the most above average? Who is

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Speaker 3: the quintessential current above average quarterback in college football? Or

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Speaker 3: from twenty thirteen your choice or from twenty thirteen or

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Speaker 3: from twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Man, I need to think more about that. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: not off the top.

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Speaker 1: Of you want to say, Sean Manyon.

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Speaker 2: Sewn Many was very Shawn Many was a pro prospect.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he? Hey?

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Speaker 3: He was on some rosters. Quinn essential above average quarterback.

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Speaker 3: James Franklin missoo as a senior.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was.

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Speaker 3: Full on gooding about the okay casual address. Right, we

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Speaker 3: want to talk about Chase Reddigg.

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember what I had for Connor Shaw thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Connor Shaw was Connor Saw not just above average, He's

947
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Speaker 2: probably he might be the answer, though.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Hogan was he was a clustant guy.

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Speaker 1: Shane cardon ECU.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're really digging these out, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 3: I mean I have a list here. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to Nathan Shieldhouse. Do we have Nathan Shielhouse level googlers

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Speaker 3: in our midst?

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Speaker 1: I say, yes?

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Speaker 2: What about Max Brown?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean he started a game.

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Speaker 3: I think for you, I think he was, but then

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Speaker 3: he went to I really like the media work he's done.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, above average college quarterback, I'm not sure. Brat

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Speaker 3: Hunley J.

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Speaker 2: W Walsh, we had him on our show. I think

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Speaker 2: back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say he's quintessential above average too. I think

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Speaker 3: he led the year led a season in efficiency rating,

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Speaker 3: though Devin.

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Speaker 2: Gardner oh Man, Devin Gardner.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Hankster. I think that's where it's from. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all I.

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Speaker 2: Have for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Tie hilden Brand. We will talk to you

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Speaker 2: all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay safe, stay healthy,

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Speaker 2: day solid.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for part two. Please