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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My

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Speaker 1: name is They call me Ben. You are you? And

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Today we are delving into something that I am frankly

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Speaker 1: Is it because of my my crippling fear of surgery?

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Speaker 1: You know that's a really great point. Uh. Yeah, We're

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Speaker 1: discussing alien abductions and possible implantation today, everybody, and we're

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Speaker 1: not doing it alone. As you know, friends and neighbors

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Speaker 1: sources and we want to hear from the experts and

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Speaker 1: maybe today we'll even learn whether or not we have

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Speaker 1: unknown implants. So today on the show, we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest and investigative filmmaker that we're all huge

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Speaker 1: fans of, Matt, would you do the honors? Absolutely? Today

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Speaker 1: on the show we have Jeremy Corbell. He is He's

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Speaker 1: made several films throughout his career. He is a martial

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Speaker 1: are some fascinating things we're gonna get into later about

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Speaker 1: that we're specifically talking about is his series of films

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Speaker 1: called Extraordinary Beliefs, where he doves into various aspects of

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Speaker 1: the unknown, and today, specifically we're talking about one entry

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Speaker 1: in that series called Patient seventeen. Please welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbel. Hello, gentlemen, thanks for having me on. Big

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Speaker 1: fan of your show, excited to be part of it. Well,

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Speaker 1: show Patient seventeen, which deals in a an investigatory documentary

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Speaker 1: and style with the concept of highly advanced implants. This,

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people sounds like something they would

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Speaker 1: they probably heard rumors about. Maybe they've they've read some things,

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Speaker 1: they might have seen some clips online of someone who

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Speaker 1: believes they found an implant, or that they have witnessed

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Speaker 1: an abduction even up. But Patients seventeen dives into the

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Speaker 1: human side of it, objectively examining the facts and the

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Speaker 1: the steps on this journey. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: It was outside of the scope of any part of

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Speaker 1: my imagination. Uh, let's back up just one moment, which

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Speaker 1: is that my my whole series is called Extraordinary Beliefs,

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Speaker 1: And in this work, what I try to do is

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Speaker 1: extraordinary beliefs. That's the basic idea of this series that

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Speaker 1: During that process, I was approached by a very famous

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Speaker 1: doctor in the field of ufology named Dr Roger Lear,

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Speaker 1: and he's been a man who had cut out sixteen

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Speaker 1: alleged alien implants. They alleged them to be nanotechnological devices

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Speaker 1: that help monitor the human race. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: somebody's body. But there's also talk of like there's no

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00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: entry wound or anything like that. Talk a little about

433
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: some of the possibilities of what these might be hypothetically sure,

434
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, because look, there there is a lot of

435
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: people you know that come forwards saying they have all

436
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: sorts of you know, alien implants. This is something that

437
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: people write to me about. You know, every week I

438
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: get a new email now that there are a lot

439
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: of foreign bodies that are in people and they don't

440
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: know them. I mean, the the old pencil lead in

441
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: the hand thing, Uh, somebody I knew. I think it

442
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: was her grandfather was the oldest living human with a

443
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: bullet still in his brain, you know, is in the

444
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Guinness Book of World Record. There there are foreign objects

445
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: that get into people's bodies and sometimes they don't see

446
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: an entry wound, or an entry wound would never be

447
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: apparent years down the line. I mean, this could be

448
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Roague rash. Was what we were thinking. The joke between

449
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: me Impatient seventeen is, after all of this, what if

450
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: we find out it was just a Tonka truck, you

451
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: know that it slipped on as a kid. That's obviously

452
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: the first thing we're we're looking at is is this

453
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: a piece of pencil lead? Is this a piece of

454
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: a nail? Is this road rash? Uh? These are most

455
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: likely going to be the answers for nine of the population,

456
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: oddly enough, because I can't talk about the other sixteen

457
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: removals that doctor Lear did, but I can't talk about

458
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: seventeen because when he died, I picked up the ball.

459
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: Nobody was doing it, so I had it sent. I

460
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: had it sent to Northern Analytics, and they are great laboratory,

461
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: and they did not know what they were testing. And

462
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: I was shocked that No, this was not a piece

463
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: of pencil lead. No, this was not road rash. No

464
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: this was not a Tonka truck. In fact, the evidence

465
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that we acquired and it's one scientific test, you need

466
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: to get many more, at least three to make sure

467
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: that there was not contamination in the test. But as

468
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: stands now, the first test that we have definitively shows

469
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: two things of significance in my opinion, and those who

470
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: this is their wheelhouse, One is that this object has

471
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: thirty six different elements in it. Primarily the object is iron.

472
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: From what I understand if you just took like a

473
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: common nail, maybe you'd get five different alloys. I have

474
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: not tested a basic nail under broad spectrum elemental analysis,

475
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm hearing from the people that

476
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: actually do this analysis every day. More importantly, Oh and

477
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I to tell you a funny story.

478
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: I was at U C l A and having a

479
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: beer after talking with the head meteorites specialist to rule

480
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: out that this was meteoric iron, because that's what was

481
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: being told to patient seventeen, and in fact, it's not

482
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: meteoric iron. I asked one of the world's specialists. He

483
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: heads the Museum of Meteorites at U C l A.

484
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: And it is not meteoric iron. So that was really

485
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: cool to cross that off the list. But as I'm

486
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: sitting there looking through the results and nano toxicologist just

487
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: the dude sat down next to me, I was having

488
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: my beer, saw me looking through and goes what you're

489
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: looking at? And I go, hey, well, what do you

490
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: think of this? This was an optic found in a

491
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: dude's body because he told me he was a nanotoxicologist,

492
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: And I said, would you want this out if it

493
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: was in you, and he's looking through it and he's like, yes,

494
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: you'd want this out. I mean this has like arsenic

495
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and heavy metals and irridium and all sorts of things.

496
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: So the elements themselves, having thirty six elements playing nicely

497
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: together in a single small sample, you know, that was interesting.

498
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: But what got really interesting, and again this is it

499
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: is really simple, is the isotopic analysis. Um, would it

500
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: be appropriate to just explain that really simply? Absolutely tell

501
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: us about you know, how elements are made up in neutrons?

502
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Were also about nano man, right, Oh yeah, well we've

503
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: got to get the nano man. But first let's start

504
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: with the isotopic analysis based on the number of neutrons

505
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: in the nucleus. Is that correct? So from what I understand,

506
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: if you cut a piece of mountain and you pull out,

507
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, the zinc, there are going to be five

508
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: different isotopic structures within that zinc. Here on Earth. Four

509
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: can be tested for their ratios, right, and these create

510
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: like this, The isotopes will stabilize the zinc. So we

511
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: have zinc sixty four, zinc sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight.

512
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: That's what you can test for. And that's what we

513
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: did test for So my understanding and the way it's

514
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: been explained to me by numerous professionals, is that you're

515
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: going to get a certain terrestrial ratio, and in fact

516
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: this is going to be homogeneous on Earth. So there's

517
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: going to be a certain percentage of zinc sixty four

518
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: in any sample from Earth. And you can look at this,

519
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, just look up on Wikipedia. If you're one

520
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: outside the terrestrial ratio, that's when they say, yeah, this

521
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: is not from here. If the tests are correct, and

522
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: in fact you can tell a little bit about distance

523
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: because of our supernova creating these elements the way they

524
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: are on Earth. Just about how far these ratios of

525
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: isotopes will will convey that information to you. And so

526
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: what was so fascinating about this was that in the

527
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: zinc sixty four ratio that we got, we got far

528
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: above what would be considered terrestrial. So we got fifty

529
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: one one percent. The terrestrial ratio for zinc sixty four

530
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: is forty eight point six four. So even with the

531
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 1: standard or relative standard deviation which you have to apply

532
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: because of the machines that are being used, that puts

533
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: us well outside the terrestrial ratio for zinc sixty four,

534
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: either above or below with that standard relative deviation. So essentially,

535
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: to make that really really simple, if you go to

536
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: the Moon and you collect N sixty four, it's going

537
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: to be a different ratio than here on Earth. If

538
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: you go to the Andromeda Galaxy and you collect zinc

539
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: sixty four, it's going to be a different ratio than

540
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: it is here on Earth. So that's what was so

541
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: fascinating to me, is that we get this scientific analysis

542
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: back and anyway you cut it above or below with

543
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: the with the standard deviation, we have zinc that appears

544
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: to be non terrestrial, which is so bizarre. So I

545
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: went to my mentor, George Knapp, he's an investigative journalist

546
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: in this field but also just in his normal life

547
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and he said to me, you have

548
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: to get more tests. You need to know quantify this

549
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: as best as possible. He said to look, it's our

550
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: job to investigate the unexplained, not explained the uninvestigated. Keep investigating.

551
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a great Yeah, I thought

552
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: that was a great quote because a lot of people

553
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: don't do that. They jump, you know, obviously to conclusions.

554
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: So you know, back to these ter restaurant ratios. I

555
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: started doing some research on the Internet and trying to

556
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: find academic papers on think sixty four and I hit

557
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: pay dirt. Man. I found this guy. He is now

558
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: a medical doctor Middle America, and he wrote this like

559
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: definitive paper on extraterrestrial zinc because we study extraterrestrial zinc

560
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: isotopes and I stops in general all the time here

561
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: on Earth. We study them from meteorites, so we have comparables,

562
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: and so it's so funny. I found this this doctor

563
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: and he wrote this definitive paper, but it was like

564
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: so long ago, I mean, I don't know, maybe twelve

565
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: years ago, as part of a thesis, and I come

566
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: calling him up at his medical practice asking him about

567
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: how we could have results like this, and this guy

568
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: was just rolling his eyes in the back of his head.

569
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: And his conclusion to me was essentially that the lab

570
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: did not triple wash the zinc sixty four and that

571
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: in fact, nickel six before can contaminate the results of

572
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: zinc sixty four. And I was like, perfect, I have

573
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: an answer. That's a real answer. So I went back

574
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: to the laboratory, called the guys that did the analysis,

575
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: and I said, will you take a look at the

576
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: results for me? Would you tell me the process you

577
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: went through? And they stand by their results. They did

578
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: triple wash. It's in the notes and it's my problem

579
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: what the results are. I mean, that was their their

580
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: standpoint to me, so clearly, clearly I need to get

581
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: more analysis done. But the journey towards that is what

582
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: this film is about. And you do get some answers

583
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: in the film, some really interesting answers. But it's a mystery.

584
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: This whole thing truly is I bona fide mystery. It

585
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: really is a huge mystery. And I want to ask

586
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: you something that seems extremely simple and something that maybe uh,

587
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: somebody watching film wouldn't think about. But how confident are

588
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: you that the sample taken from patients seventeens leg is

589
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the exact same sample that was then tested with the

590
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: isotopic stuff and then tested again of command? Yeah, how confident?

591
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Chain of custody? How confident are you that that's the

592
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: same object that now you know you've done all these

593
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: tests on you also were you weren't able to get

594
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: it back. You had a hard time like getting hold

595
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: of it again to run more tests. Isn't that right,

596
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: oh man, this yes, this is an ongoing battle. I

597
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: mean ongoing. When doctor Leear died, people started fighting over

598
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: custodianship of these samples. So to answer your question directly,

599
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: that is a huge issue for me. That is a

600
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: huge issue. As I've gone through this and I've learned more,

601
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: that is one of the questions that I have. I

602
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: know the sample, what it looks like, the container, I

603
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: know exactly what it looks like. I can identify that

604
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: with my own eyes. But getting it sent to a

605
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: credible laboratory and having it done, I mean I was

606
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: not allowed to be there for that process, you know,

607
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean nobody was. You know, it was sent to

608
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: the lab set X for that testing. So how can

609
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: you know definitively that is the same object. That's something

610
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: patients Aventina and I keep going over. We currently do

611
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: know where the object is. We at these tests that

612
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: we did were destructive, but there's plenty of object remaining

613
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: to do more tests. So my six ft nine giant

614
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: friend and I are banging on doors. We are trying

615
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to get it back for further analysis. But this is

616
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: one of those things you have to then become a

617
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist, because let's say you were to switch out

618
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: the sample and send it over, you just happen to

619
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: have a piece that is not a meteorite of extraterrestrial

620
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: zinc sixty four. I mean, that's crazier than the object

621
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: being sent and there being some sort of miscalculation. So

622
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: this is a problem. This is one of the things

623
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: we're running into, is we need that sample back and

624
00:38:52,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: we're trying to get it back. So this is really

625
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: this is a great place for us to bring in

626
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: a character that exists in your universe in several places,

627
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: a gentleman that goes by Nano Man. Yeah. Could you

628
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about Nano Man, how how

629
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: he figures into the larger context here. Yeah. Well, so

630
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do in this movie is I

631
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: wanted to focus in on people who would go on camera,

632
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: who had certain skill sets. Why Nano Man is in

633
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: my universe or on my radar is because I started

634
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: a documentary series on him probably about six years ago.

635
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: I was tipped off by naval individual, somebody in the Navy,

636
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: and they have guided me before in my work. Highest

637
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: ranking military official that I've ever been in contact with,

638
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: and They've always given me kind of good tips. There's

639
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: actually a current case that just made the news, and

640
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: we'll be making more news that I've been on for

641
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: quite some time thanks to tips like this. So the

642
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: tip was there's a guy. His name is Chris Cooper.

643
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I call him Nano Man because I thought it was

644
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: funny and it's kind of like a comic character for me.

645
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: He's a very intelligent nanophysicist. He was military funded, uh

646
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Speaker 1: to a huge amount for doing work on nanotechnology and

647
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: water filtration, and in fact, the military used some of

648
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Speaker 1: his product in order to um, you know, put out

649
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: special teams that can you know, kind of use water

650
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Speaker 1: filters anywhere. You know. He's kind of like this interesting guy.

651
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Speaker 1: But I was connected to him purely because of a

652
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: propulsion device that he was creating called what he called it,

653
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: the space drive. And what it's really interesting about it

654
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: is that he was getting a forward reaction. He was

655
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: getting forward thrust without any pushback. It was in a

656
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: vacuum and he couldn't figure out why. So my series

657
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: is was documenting the trials and errors that he was making,

658
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: the progress he was making on this thing called the

659
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Speaker 1: space drive, which was something that was of interest to

660
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Speaker 1: the United States Navy at that time, so that's the

661
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: reason I started with him. It was purely propulsion and science,

662
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: and he has a very brilliant mind, and he later

663
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: revealed to me that in fact, what he was trying

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Speaker 1: to do with this device was create a spaceship, and

665
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: then disclosed to me that he was in possession of

666
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: other nano material that was anomalous and that he would

667
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: give it to me to take to NASA and have

668
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Speaker 1: it analyzed. And I thought this was like a joke

669
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Speaker 1: because he handed me pure it looked like pure water.

670
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: It was ethanol, and in fact, you'll see in one

671
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Speaker 1: of my short films about Nano Man, I did take

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Speaker 1: it to NASA, and I did take it to the

673
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Speaker 1: NASA as nanotechnology lab. But we spent a whole day

674
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: and lizing this stuff, and we could visually verify that

675
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Speaker 1: there was something quite odd in what he gave me.

676
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Speaker 1: So that was my first introduction to nano Man was

677
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Speaker 1: following him through a series of shorts that I've put out,

678
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: although a feature film will be coming out. So he

679
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: was kind of a guy that I knew that I

680
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: could take the results too. Who wouldn't just disregard it,

681
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: he would at least tell me his opinion openly about

682
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Speaker 1: what it is that it might be. And so that's

683
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Speaker 1: why I brought him into the movie, was somebody to

684
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Speaker 1: look at it without just completely dismissing it. That's fantastic,

685
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: and that's often a that can often be a challenging

686
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: thing to find someone who was truly objectively and open

687
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: mindedly investigating something, especially if there is a a feeling

688
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: of mystery for some for some people that ends up

689
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: functioning as a stigma. So without without spoiling patients seventeen,

690
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: which we're being pretty careful about. Uh I love that

691
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: you're pointing out how how Dr Couber, how nano Man

692
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: functions in the the larger context of your work, and

693
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Speaker 1: this brings us to a couple of points that we

694
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Speaker 1: wanted to We wanted to ask you when we were

695
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: researching some of your other work and some of your

696
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: background and things that you have studied and written about.

697
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: Uh In in this larger context, there's especially biographical detail

698
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Speaker 1: we wanted to ask you about that relates to our

699
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Speaker 1: earlier episode. Yeah, we recently did an episode on Titanic

700
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: conspiracies and we were just looking through your IMDb bio,

701
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Speaker 1: and it seems like you have a very interesting personal

702
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: connection to that that tragedy. Yeah, actually I do. You

703
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: guys do your research. I guess so. I'm named after

704
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: Edward lock Heer. My friends and enemies call me for name.

705
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: My name is Jeremy Kenyon Locker Corbell and lock Here

706
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: was after Edward lock Here, and he was a passenger

707
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: on the Titanic who did not make it. Uh, he

708
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: did fall in love actually, interestingly enough, on on the boat.

709
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: And the passenger he fell in love with was a

710
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: woman that when the when the kind of safety rafts

711
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: were going down, he reached out and dropped her down

712
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: because the boat was already going down. She broke both

713
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: of her legs, but he threw her his wallet and

714
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: his watch. And years later she actually came and found

715
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: my my grandmother's family and gave them back the wallet

716
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: and the watch and said, he told me to tell

717
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you that he loves you. And that's how we know

718
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: his story. We we wouldn't have known it. I think

719
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: it was passenger number fifty three if I recall, Wow,

720
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Yeah, that's that's really really cool to hear.

721
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean and tragic, but also just what a piece

722
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: of history having that kind of connections pretty pretty Oh yeah,

723
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Speaker 1: I was just I was just actually in Budapest. UM

724
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: I premiered in Europe my film at the National Museum

725
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: of Denmark and gave a lecture about UFOs, which is

726
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: actually free on my website UM Extraordinary Beliefs dot com.

727
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: You can watch that whole lecture. But when I was

728
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: traveling through Europe with my mom, which was cool. It

729
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: was like the drunk history of Europe. It was Claria.

730
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: We we made it to Budapest and they have a

731
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: Titanic museum there and you could look up the names

732
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: of the passengers and that sort of thing. And yeah,

733
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: so Edward lock here, that was a pretty cool and

734
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: he was actually a grocer but also a boxer, and

735
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: he was coming over on the Titanic uh for a

736
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: fight for boxing. So that was pretty neat because that

737
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: is also in my history of martial athletics. So I

738
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: didn't learn that until much later in life though. So

739
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: just to stick on the Marshall Athletics there, please can

740
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: you come back on sometime and talk to us about

741
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: quantum jiu jitsu? Please? Sure? Sure? That was either the

742
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: best or the dumbest move I've ever made is naming

743
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: my particular m M a quantum in jiu jitsu. That

744
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: created so much hell for me because it sounds so strange.

745
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: But you know, look, so did Warrior Yoga. At the

746
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: time I trademarked it in like two thousand, you know,

747
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: people were giving me hate mail because in yoga, what

748
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: do you mean Warrior? And you know now like even

749
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: companies have stolen the name and that kind of thing.

750
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: You know, it takes time for people to to advance

751
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: and in their thoughts it's just a name. What's behind

752
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: the name is more important. And yes, we can always

753
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: do a show. There's so much to say about martial

754
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: arts because really martial arts is what trained my and

755
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and honed in on my skills to approach things like

756
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: journalism inch by inch. I was always kind of the

757
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: smaller and lighter weight fighter. You know, all my black

758
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: belts that I've produced, they're like, you know, two pound

759
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: monsters of pure muscle. So in order to convince them

760
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: to train with me, I had to beat them, and

761
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, continuously. So so I learned very quickly that

762
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, martial arts like a documentary and investigation. It's

763
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: a matter of inch by inch life as since you

764
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: know yard by yard life is hard man. Well, seriously,

765
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's quantum jiu jitsu or any of

766
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: the subjects of some of the other films that you

767
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: made in your series, we wouldn't know, joke. Love to

768
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: have you back as much as you would like to

769
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: be back. I think I speak for the group and

770
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: saying that, and thank you so much for having this

771
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: conversation with us today. And let's end on one final

772
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: final question here that I think our audience really wants

773
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: to know. You talked a little bit about the reaction

774
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: to Patients seventeen, and we'd love to hear how what

775
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: what kind of correspondence that you've been receiving, if it's

776
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: leading you in any interesting directions, and in general, what

777
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: are some of your future projects coming up? Oh? Absolutely, so.

778
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: The first thing I just want to say is that

779
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: the film Patients seventeen we've been talking about. I my

780
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: one purpose in filmmaking initially was to uplift the visual

781
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: aesthetic so that when you watch these films they're true

782
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: honest journalism, but that they show you the beliefs of

783
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: people and they show you in a way that is

784
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: visually pleasing and fun to watch. So I hope I

785
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: achieved that, and I think I did with Patients seventeen.

786
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: A lot of people are watching it now that it's

787
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: on iTunes in the documentary section. People can go rent

788
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: it now. So that's the cool thing is this movie

789
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: is opening people up to a much more broad spectrum

790
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: of my work. I will also say that this mystery

791
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: is far from over. I am on this case as

792
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: this Patient seventeam. So you will get a lot of

793
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: information from this movie that will I hope weaponize your

794
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: curiosity so that you continue to look into these things.

795
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like how you guys run your show.

796
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: You're telling people what the facts are and then where

797
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: it gets crazy. And so hopefully there's a similar tonality,

798
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: uh in the visual medium that I use as film. Additionally,

799
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: the future projects, I am so excited you guys now

800
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: that I have proper distribution, mass distribution for my first film.

801
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been at this a long time. Now.

802
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: You are going to see some things, some areas in

803
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: the fields of uthology and beyond that have been totally

804
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: inaccessible to to to to the average person for decades

805
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: and this information will now be coming out Specifically, I'm

806
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna tell you two things. One skin Walker Ranch, I

807
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: am working directly with the people closest to it. I

808
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: have been to the area and on I have been

809
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: given with my mentor George Knapp because of his book

810
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: that he wrote about it, we have been given the

811
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: first time ever access by the tribal nation of the

812
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Ute Indians in order to film on the premises on

813
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: the reservation the sovereign nation and bring that footage to

814
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: you and to the public. This has been an ongoing

815
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: project and it's highly informed. Uh it's a separate website

816
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: hunt the skin Walker dot com, but you can get

817
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: to it but from mine. But you will see never

818
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: before seeing footage and what's coming with that. So that

819
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: is one thing I'm really excited about. And the other thing,

820
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: and this is a big one, the Elvis of uphology.

821
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's like as if you find Elvis alive

822
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: and there he is. You have in the public realm

823
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: probably three hours the foot which only because of George

824
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: Knapp on Bob Blazar, one of the most famous names

825
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: in uphology. Well, I'm gonna be very happy to be

826
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: able to announce very soon a definitive documentary on and

827
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: with bub Blazar. Wow. Wow, you heard it here first,

828
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Friends and Neighbors. We're looking forward to that, and Jeremy,

829
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: we're going to have to get an update as this

830
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: as this project coalesces, and whenever you're ready to do

831
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: an interview about it, we love to hear from you. Awesome. Well,

832
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: thank you guys for running an exceptional show. As I said,

833
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I've been a fan from your first video all the

834
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: way up to the one that you most recently put

835
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: out your podcast. I really am just like a kid

836
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: in a candy store excited to be on with you. Guys.

837
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: Keep doing good work, because the key here is is

838
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: that people need to become participants in these mysteries and

839
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: not just sit back behind their keyboard and be consumers.

840
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: People need to activate and do whatever they can to

841
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: help look into these two mysteries that are occurring. You know,

842
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: that's the problem with peeking behind the curtain. Man, you

843
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: can't unseen and you can't know that quote. Yes, thank

844
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: you so much. Jeremy Corbell, the investigatory filmmaker behind Patient seventeen,

845
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: which is available now on iTunes, among other places. Is

846
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: there anywhere else people can get it or is that

847
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of the primary point? Yeah, it's on a whole

848
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: bunch of pay per view platforms from Xbox to Amazon

849
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: to Google Play, two ones I've never even heard about,

850
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: but you can easily find it on iTunes. Documentary. Like

851
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: we said, well, maybe we didn't administer this off air.

852
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it very much, both for the content and

853
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: the aesthetic. It's a very well shot film. It's paced

854
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: in a very interesting and accessible way and very visually appealing,

855
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: and uh makes very good use of a Georgio Moroder

856
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: track that I did quite a lot, So props to

857
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: you for having taste in the electronic music department. To Jeremy,

858
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: and usually when we close the show, we like to

859
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: close with with a way for the audience, all of

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