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Speaker 1: talk radio. Buck Sexton Team, Welcome to the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you here with me. I'm coming to

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Speaker 1: they're actually making their communities safer, and they are even

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Speaker 1: more law abiding than the American norm. Right, So we

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Speaker 1: keep going through this, we go oh written, and they

433
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Speaker 1: get the left gets kind of hissy on this, and

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Speaker 1: they get very nasty and very self righteous. They will

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Speaker 1: call for the passage of gun laws that already exist.

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Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of that happening. And I will

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Speaker 1: say there there are some lawmakers who will push back

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Speaker 1: on this. There are some Hey, you know, Senator Angus King,

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Speaker 1: for example, plate the Ford that church. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's time for those to be band center? No, I

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Speaker 1: think we've got to look at that carefully. Here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm from a state where we have one of the

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Speaker 1: highest gun ownership rates in the country, and yet we

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Speaker 1: have one of the lowest rates of gun crime. An

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Speaker 1: assault weapon, it's called an assault weapon, but it's simply

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Speaker 1: a semi automatic hunting rifle in costume with a different

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Speaker 1: kind of stock. But the functionality of the weapon is

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Speaker 1: exactly the same as as they're probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: thousands of them in Maine, in Alaska, all over the

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Speaker 1: United States that are used by legitimate hunters. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I have a problem with banning a weapon because of

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Speaker 1: its appearance. And one of the problems that we had

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Speaker 1: when they did it before was they changed the appearance

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Speaker 1: a little bit and the band doesn't apply it. I

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Speaker 1: got You've got a senator who I've never been impressed

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Speaker 1: with anything else basically getting it all right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's wrong about the numbers. It's it's millions, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's not thousands of guns. But you know they're basically

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Speaker 1: figuring it out or getting it right on this. I'm like, okay, So,

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Speaker 1: so it is possible for a politician from Maine he

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Speaker 1: was an independent, right, it's not, and it's probably an

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Speaker 1: independent partially because of the gun issue. It is possible

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Speaker 1: to know what the heck he's talking about, because this

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Speaker 1: guy Angers Kings is more or less getting it right

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Speaker 1: on this, as you know what this all rifles. But

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Speaker 1: then we get into the calls for government to do

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Speaker 1: Governments do something. Government's got to do more. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but the failures are not failures of rules or policy.

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Speaker 1: The failures are rules of executing those rules and polices,

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Speaker 1: the implementation of not just the structure of the bureaucratic

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Speaker 1: norms that are put in place, but the actual exercise

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Speaker 1: of What I mean by this is this guy Devin

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Speaker 1: Kelly broke a baby skull and said he did it

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Speaker 1: on purpose. Bud guilt pleaded guilty to it, attacked his wife,

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Speaker 1: was committed to a mental institution, escaped from a mental institution,

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Speaker 1: said all kinds of very disturbing, crazy things, and the

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Speaker 1: Air Force did not pass along to the FBI that

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Speaker 1: he was convicted of a domestic violence charge, which was

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Speaker 1: which was their obligation. Look, it's a failure, right, it's not.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone intentionally failed on those on any

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Speaker 1: of that, but but there was a failure in the system.

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Speaker 1: So we want to talk about system failure. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: what do we do about this? Are we're gonna pass

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Speaker 1: a law that says government has to be efficient, government

485
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: can't be in net Only the smartest people, the most capable,

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Speaker 1: adept people will be allowed to work for government. Even

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Speaker 1: if we did that, do we think that it would

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Speaker 1: eliminate the shortcomings? Never mind the fraud, waste and abuse

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Speaker 1: that is inherent in a government system as well. What

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Speaker 1: do we think would be accomplished mining of this? There's

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Speaker 1: there is nothing that I can think of that is

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Speaker 1: a law that anyone could write that would change this.

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Speaker 1: I do think that cruelty against animals should bar you

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Speaker 1: from promoting firearms as well. I mean, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's it. It is a criminal charge. Remember criminal cruelty

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Speaker 1: against animals. It is a criminal charge. That is such

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Speaker 1: an indicator of a person's mindset and things to come.

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Speaker 1: You know, anyone that anyone that would that would abuse

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Speaker 1: am a dog or a cat, I mean a household

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Speaker 1: pet is sending a tremendous signal about their state of

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Speaker 1: my very disturbing signal about their state of mind to

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Speaker 1: the rest of society. So you know, if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about laws, that's a lot of that. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of I support. You know, somebody you know, HiT's

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Speaker 1: HiT's hits a dog with a bat. I don't want

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Speaker 1: them owning a fire and I want them watched. I

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Speaker 1: want people to pay attention. That's that is an enormous indicator.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, but in terms of notification and the Second

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Speaker 1: Amendment and all this, there is there's nothing that I

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Speaker 1: can see here that would change that would make anything better.

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Speaker 1: And I really do wish, and I know you do too,

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Speaker 1: that there was something that could be done to stop

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Speaker 1: all mass shootings. This is perhaps a point where it's

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Speaker 1: worth noting that violence in America overall still is on

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Speaker 1: the decline. That violence is going down. Um, and if

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Speaker 1: you take I think it's Baltimore in Chicago out of

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Speaker 1: the mix nationally, homicides are also going down. Those are

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Speaker 1: two areas that have seen traumatic spikes in violence in

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Speaker 1: recent years, but has nothing to do with an assault

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Speaker 1: assault rifle or asault rifle band. So I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: work through this on the policy level and take the

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Speaker 1: arguments of the left seriously. But I'm also not going

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Speaker 1: to be bullied into making concessions that should not be

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Speaker 1: made and into conceding on our rights. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is I didn't get into Trump's whether extreme vetting would

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Speaker 1: apply to gunners. First of all, it's constitutly protected right.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine if someone suggested extreme vetting for voting,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure that you know you're really up

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Speaker 1: on civics, that you have an incredibly high level of

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Speaker 1: awareness of public policy and literacy, and oh oh no,

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Speaker 1: that's terrible, right, that would never be okay. But for

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Speaker 1: a gun owners, extreme vetting, what does that There's already vetting,

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Speaker 1: there's a national instant background check system, and there are

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Speaker 1: laws in place. As I've gone over with you. So

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Speaker 1: what would extreme vetting be and why should you be doing?

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Speaker 1: Extreme vetting of citizens for a constitution protected right would

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Speaker 1: be a completely different circumstance than extreme vetting of foreigners

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Speaker 1: who do not have a right to be here. But

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Speaker 1: the media can't pick that up. They can't figure it out,

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00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: and they wonder why every day normal Americans have a

541
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: tremendous distrust and distaste for them. Um, I want to

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Speaker 1: get into the elections that are going on today, so

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00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get into some of that next, and then

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Speaker 1: the d n c's internal warfare, and then Weinstein and

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00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: then the hundredth anniversary of the Soviet Union's beginnings. We

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: got a big show coming, alright. So there are election day, right,

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Speaker 1: So so there is that I think tomorrow, isn't there

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Speaker 1: some sort of event happening where like liberals are all

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Speaker 1: gonna Somebody mentioned this to me today in passing, And

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Speaker 1: I'm on a college campus, so I'm I'm staying very

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00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: incognito right now. You know, I'm not walking around here.

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00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, these kids are too young. These kids listen

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00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: to me, they're like twenty two. But anyway, these kids

554
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: are too young to have watched CNN during the Buck

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: era of dominance over there. Not not on screen dominance

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Speaker 1: because they only have me on like, you know, twice

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: a month, but intellectual dominance for sure. But they're too

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Speaker 1: young to probably have seen much of that. And I

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00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: know that there are not a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: talk radio listeners on the prototypical college campus, although I've

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Speaker 1: got I've got campus listeners, I've got Team Buck campus

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Speaker 1: in effect, I just don't know how many at Stanford.

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Speaker 1: Stanford's strikes me as not as left wing as some

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Speaker 1: other places, So I don't know. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the full I haven't really got a sense of yet.

566
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Speaker 1: But I walk around here totally like no one has

567
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: any idea who I am or what I do, which

568
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: is it's kind of nice actually, you know. Then I go,

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Speaker 1: I go, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna hang out in

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Speaker 1: the student center and give myself some fro you and

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00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: sit by the fireplace and read some proofst you know,

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00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, anyway, there are rare there are

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Speaker 1: somebody you mentioned that there was like a scream that

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Speaker 1: there are people are screaming tomorrow in commemoration of Trump's

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Speaker 1: victory or something like screaming out of anguish. I don't know.

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00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I've got to look up this story. I don't know

577
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: much about it right now. Maybe that's maybe I just

578
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: got punked. I have no idea what I'm talking about.

579
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: But there is an election. There are elections, not an election,

580
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: their elections going on today across the country. You have

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00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: voting on some some pretty big races going going on,

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00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be ending while I'm on air. Although

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00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, the early exit polling is yeah, it's fool's gold.

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Speaker 1: My friends can't get too into the early eggs pose.

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Speaker 1: The big races are Virginia, the governor's race there, New

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Speaker 1: Jersey governor's race there, and the New York City mayor

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00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: kaiz Kaiserville no Vaine, Philhelm de Blasio. He's going to

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00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: be a mayor for a considuing for the continuing future

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00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: of New York City. He's like, Oh, I don't know anything,

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00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of an income poop, but you know,

591
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Democrat, so it's like, no big deal. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna win in New York, which is a shame,

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00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: but you probably don't care that much. With the New

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: York City Maria's let's talk about what does matter to

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: you a little more. Maybe Virginia. You got Northam and Gillespie,

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Speaker 1: the thriller in northern Well, I guess it's all Virginia,

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: but these guys I think of as being you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the Virginia race is largely determined by

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: those DC suburbs. But that's maybe just my DC centric

600
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: brain thinking about these things. I was trying to think

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Speaker 1: of a way to make it a cool sounding and

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Speaker 1: I just I just barely flopped into the shallow into

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Speaker 1: the pool there. So Northam and Gillespie are squaring off,

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Speaker 1: and that's the big one. You've got Terry McAuliffe, who

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00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: is on the way out. It's amazing that guy is

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Speaker 1: the government Virginia. Virginia, you're a great state, and I

607
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: love a lot of people that live in your state.

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Speaker 1: I had family for most of my life until my

609
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: great grandmother. They passed away at family and and I

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Speaker 1: have an uncle. I believe it's still in uh still

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Speaker 1: in the charlottes Ville area, Um, but I used to

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Speaker 1: go down there and visit Grandma. So I've spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in Charlottesville, Virginia. In the surrounding area

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Speaker 1: Charlottesville and it's environs. It sounds like I'm doing a

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00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: human you know, terrain assessments or something. Uh. Anyway, Virginia,

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: you got Northam and Gillespie. And the most interesting about

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00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: this race in recent days has been how nasty it was.

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00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: You had that ad that showed basically racist tea party

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Speaker 1: white male trying to mow down small children in a vehicle,

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Speaker 1: which they then pulled given what happened in New York City.

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Speaker 1: But it's just it's gross. They're oh yeah, and I'm right,

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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: by the way, the Virginia suburbs around Washington are are

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Speaker 1: key to the outcome. So it is in northern Virginia. See,

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: even when I don't know, I kind of know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In New Jersey got Chris Christie tonight he's on the

626
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: way out his Lieutenant Governor Kim Guadano. I'm hoping I'm

627
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: getting the right up against Golden Sacks, exec and US

628
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: Ambassador to Germany. Phil Murphy was the Democrat who spent

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Speaker 1: a ton of money on this race. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: the Menendez trial for sender. Menendez could play a role

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Speaker 1: in all this, because if Christie is still in office

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Speaker 1: when Menendez, assuming he's convicted and then ousted it from

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: the Senate, which is not a done deal with the Democrats,

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00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: by the way, they may let a felon hang out

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: with him, Um, but there is the possibility Um Christie

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00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 1: being able to appoint a Senate replacement for Menendez. Other

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00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: shows just talk at you in the Freedom Mud. We

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00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: have a mission. We fight for the truth in a

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00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: team effort, and buck us back with our next play.

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Speaker 1: All right, team, I've got some early exit just trashed

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Speaker 1: exit polls before and now I'm like, I got some

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Speaker 1: exit polls for you, you know. I mean sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of radio you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: I got contradicting myself. But yeah, they just closed polls

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Speaker 1: in in Virginia. They just closed while we're on air here.

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Speaker 1: So uh and this is where they do the exit

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Speaker 1: polling with things like health care. Healthcare as a priority

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Speaker 1: for Virginia voters, you know, some of these poll quick.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know, eating is important to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I really care about eating, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course healthcare is important, you know, so sleep and

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Speaker 1: food things like that. But anyway, thanks exit polling, Well done.

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Speaker 1: So where was I. Um, that's what I've got for you.

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Speaker 1: Gun policy follows with seventeen percent, fourteen percent of immigration,

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Speaker 1: fourteen percent said taxes. Nine of Virginia voters said abortion

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Speaker 1: is the issue that mattered most and deciding how they voted.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's some of the exit polling. So I

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Speaker 1: know I told you I wasn't really I was speaking

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Speaker 1: more about whether you can look at exit polling to

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Speaker 1: determine who want, not so much about the issues people

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Speaker 1: voted on. But nonetheless, here we are. Also I have

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Speaker 1: a an update for you from before that liberals do

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Speaker 1: plan to quote screen helplessly at the sky on election anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Producer Amy passed this on to me. There are Facebook

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Speaker 1: events around the country inviting people to gather together tomorrow

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Speaker 1: to let out a quote primal scream over the current

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Speaker 1: state of our democracy end quote. So this is like

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Speaker 1: pajama boys rage, Wow, pajama boy let out your war cry. Raw.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's what's gonna happen. So they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do that tomorrow. I'm just like so upset about Trump me.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be very scary. They're gonna probably show up

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be talking about issues of the CIS

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Speaker 1: gender patriarchy and drinking pumpkin spice lattes. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. Lot to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but onto some real, some real business here for a moment.

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Speaker 1: I I think I mentioned you last night. I was

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Speaker 1: reading I'm here on campus, and I wandered off campus

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Speaker 1: to get a bite to eat. I'm somebody who likes

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Speaker 1: to eat solo. By the way, I don't mind this.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes people said, dude, no, don't you feel lonely. No.

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Speaker 1: I sit at a counter or a bar, or if

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Speaker 1: need be. I prefer not to sit solo at a table,

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Speaker 1: because then people do kind of feel bad for you.

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Speaker 1: But I love to sit at a bar. I just

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Speaker 1: eat a meal, and I bring my kindle with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, A nerd out. And I read and I

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Speaker 1: eat and it's great. It's great, And I get a burger. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I was there, and I was reading this piece

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Speaker 1: on the New Yorker, and it is pretty incredible that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Emily Campanio here in just a

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Speaker 1: few moments about the legal angles of this. But let

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Speaker 1: me just share with you some of it, and it

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Speaker 1: is by Ronan Pharaoh, and I will admit that I

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Speaker 1: was rightfully, very critical of Ronan Pharaoh's ill timed, ill

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Speaker 1: faded and ill executed TV show and MSNBC and a

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Speaker 1: somebody who works in this area and knows how hard

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Speaker 1: people work for opportunities. That something was handed to Ronan

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Speaker 1: Farao on a silver platter that he then so obviously

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Speaker 1: and blatantly botched is I was. I was well within

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Speaker 1: my rights to say, wow, he messed that thing up.

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Speaker 1: But his reporting here on the Harvey Weinstein stuff has

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Speaker 1: been pretty impressive, so you know, I I give credit

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Speaker 1: where it is due. And here is his piece on

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Speaker 1: in The New Yorker Harvey Weinstein's Army of spies. The

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Speaker 1: film executive hired private investigators, including ex massad agents, to

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Speaker 1: track actresses and journalists. Here's the opening paragraph. In the

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Speaker 1: fall of Harvey Weinstein sent out to suppress allegations that

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Speaker 1: he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women, he began

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Speaker 1: to hire private security agencies to collect information on the

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Speaker 1: women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According

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Speaker 1: to dozens of pages of documents and seven people directly

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Speaker 1: involved in the efforts. The firms that Weinstein hired and

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Speaker 1: included Kroll, which is one of the world's largest corporate

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Speaker 1: intelligence companies, and Black Cube and Enterprise, run largely by

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Speaker 1: former officers of Massad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube,

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Speaker 1: which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers

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Speaker 1: its clients the skills of operatives highly experienced and trained

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Speaker 1: in Israel's elite military and government intelligence units, according to

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Speaker 1: its own literature. To private investigators from Black Cube, using

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Speaker 1: false identities, met with the actress Rose McGowan, who eventually

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Speaker 1: publicly accused Weinstein of rape. To extract information from her,

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Speaker 1: one of the investigators pretended to be a women's rights

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Speaker 1: advocate and secretly recorded at least four meetings with McGowan.

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Speaker 1: The same operative, using a different false identity and implying

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Speaker 1: that she had an allegation against Weinstein, met twice with

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Speaker 1: a journalist to find out which women were talking to

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Speaker 1: the press. In other cases, journalists directed by Weinstein or

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Speaker 1: the private investigators interviewed women and reported back the details

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Speaker 1: end quote. Weinstein was hiring x Massad guys to run

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Speaker 1: UH to run tradecraft to essentially engage in private sector

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Speaker 1: espionage efforts against Weinstein's victims. They're using spy tradecraft against

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Speaker 1: Weinstein's accusers and doing it at a really sophisticated level.

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Speaker 1: And there are big time DC law firms involved in this,

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Speaker 1: a ton of money, this web of Weinstein's sexual predation

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Speaker 1: and the UH infrastructure around it to keep Weinstein, big

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Speaker 1: Democrat donor, big Democrat fundraiser, friend of Hillary Clinton, friend

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Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton, friend of Barack Obama, friend of a

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Speaker 1: Schelle Obama, powerful Democrat. Do not forget it. This web

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Speaker 1: and these can actions and this money in this apparatus

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Speaker 1: they're bringing like world class tradecraft to bear to silence

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Speaker 1: these sexual assault victims. This is stunning stuff. Highly recommend

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Speaker 1: you read this New Yorker piece. Let's get Emily Campanio

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Speaker 1: on the line here and on Emily campanio dot com

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Speaker 1: for your analysis, right, Emily on Emily campanio dot com. Alright,

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Speaker 1: there's alright, So there's some incredible Weinstein revelations to add

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Speaker 1: on top of the already mind boggling number and severity

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Speaker 1: of of sexual assault allegations. But this has to do

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Speaker 1: with what is being called Weinstein's army of spies. And

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Speaker 1: this comes at a time when there's also reporting that

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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, incredibly powerful Democrat, friend of the Clinton's, friend

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Speaker 1: of the Obama's, and one of the most powerful people

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, could could, based on reporting out today, be

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Speaker 1: arrested for rape as soon as this week. So what

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Speaker 1: is the legal reality of all this. We've got Emily

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Speaker 1: Campanio on the line. She is a legal and sports

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Speaker 1: business analyst and attorney. Emily, great to have you back,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me here tonight. Buck. All right, first,

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Speaker 1: let let's talk about the allegations that are out there

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Speaker 1: right now that may be acted upon by the District

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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office in New York. Sexual assault claim that is

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Speaker 1: now reportedly verified enough if there could be charges, what

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Speaker 1: can you tell us right exactly? And actually the charges

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Speaker 1: would be rape. And what's interesting to me is that

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Speaker 1: the DA have come out at this point and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can't comment it's ongoing, but expect grand

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Speaker 1: jury indictments potentially as soon as next week. And also

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Speaker 1: they touched on corroboration, they touched on evidence, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's important for listeners to note that before a

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Speaker 1: d A proceeds with charges or with turning it over

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Speaker 1: to a grand jury, there has to be enough evidence

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Speaker 1: for them to do so for it to be worth

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Speaker 1: essentially taxpayers dollars to spend that time in investment. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's important that here it's in the public's

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Speaker 1: best interest for anyone, no matter what, to at least try.

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Speaker 1: And I think what concerned me about the past is

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Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of these das throughout their

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Speaker 1: hands and tossed in the towel before that point, before

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Speaker 1: they even tried to me. It's a matter of public security,

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Speaker 1: and they should have done it sooner at least. However,

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Speaker 1: here they're pointing to the victims memory. They're saying, part

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Speaker 1: of what was so helpful in this particular case was

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Speaker 1: her ability to recall, moment by moment all of the

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Speaker 1: this entire horrible story that happened to her, so that

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Speaker 1: we can corroborate it, or that at least so that

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Speaker 1: we can provide that level of specificity to turn over

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Speaker 1: to the grand jury. That that doesn't bode well for

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Speaker 1: people who, for example, were um date rape, drug victims

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Speaker 1: or intoxicated at the moment, which note this victim was

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Speaker 1: she talks about the fact that her in intoxication affected

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Speaker 1: her ability to consent. So there's a lot of issues

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Speaker 1: that play here. But bottom line, obviously we would all

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Speaker 1: look forward to finally an indictment and in terms of

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Speaker 1: the corroboration and the way that this would play out

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Speaker 1: in the in the criminal justice system. I think that

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Speaker 1: there are people out there who have who have their

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Speaker 1: concerns about what would happen going forward if just an

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Speaker 1: accusation is enough to bring formal charges of sexual either

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Speaker 1: sexual assault or in this case rape, uh, and that

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Speaker 1: this could be something that becomes very politicized. Right. You

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Speaker 1: have some prominent figures in the past, some very prominent

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Speaker 1: cases in the past, for example, the Duke lacrosse case.

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Speaker 1: There was the gang rape at uv A that was

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Speaker 1: that was entirely a hoax. There are concerns I think

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing concerns from people that there there has to

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Speaker 1: be more than just the allegation. There has to be

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Speaker 1: some form of corroboration from the prosecutors and some evidence

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Speaker 1: that has gathered. What could that be in a case

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Speaker 1: that is seven years old. You're absolutely right, and that's

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Speaker 1: a totally viable point of view. I think in this

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Speaker 1: potential or in this current political climate, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are hesitant to come out and say that. But

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Speaker 1: you are right that the accused needs to be protected if, if,

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Speaker 1: and when, and even so when they're innocent or even

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Speaker 1: if they're not. I mean, everyone needs to be afforded

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Speaker 1: um at least that uh, there due process. They're right,

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Speaker 1: of course, exact exactly, and so the corroboration, You're right,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be in addition and when in cases

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Speaker 1: such as this, which can be considered historical, so in

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Speaker 1: the past, corroboration can be anything from the victim reporting

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Speaker 1: to another person, so have a hearsay another witness to it. Look,

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Speaker 1: she came to me that night sobbing. Um, here's the

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Speaker 1: security footage of my apartment building, and that showed her,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming to to my apartment building distraught. Here

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Speaker 1: are the emails between the two of us discussing it.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to necessarily be a report to

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Speaker 1: an authority figure at that moment for everything to count.

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Speaker 1: But that's when it's circumstantial evidence. So short of actual

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Speaker 1: physical evidence or actual evidence you know, stemming from that

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Speaker 1: night in question, then it becomes circumstantial, and that's why

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Speaker 1: it's so important for these victims could tell anyone that

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Speaker 1: they feel safe telling immediately, because at least there's some

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Speaker 1: corroboration in that moment. But plenty of cases have been

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Speaker 1: a prosecuted and be led to convictions on circumstance alone.

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Speaker 1: We're speaking to Emily Campagnio, who is a legal analyst

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Speaker 1: and attorney. UM. Emily, did you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see this piece in I think it was it was

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Speaker 1: in the New Yorker about the the people that are

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Speaker 1: hired and also the way that law firms act as

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Speaker 1: middlemen between what are essentially fixers, uh, private spies for

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Speaker 1: hire and and kind of you know, black bad job

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Speaker 1: guys and law firms. And I think for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, this is a revelation that that there would

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Speaker 1: be this Michael Clayton style behavior that's very real out there.

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Speaker 1: You're so right, Frankly, and yes, I am familiar with

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Speaker 1: these explosive allegations and everything that was revealed in by

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Speaker 1: Ronan Pharaoh in the New Yorker. UM, And you're right.

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Speaker 1: It totally reveals all of the tactics and all of

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Speaker 1: the tools that basically powerful people or wealthy people can

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Speaker 1: use to suppress, in this case simply negative stories that

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Speaker 1: in the court of public opinion at least are true.

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Speaker 1: And the minds of ad plus women who have alleged

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Speaker 1: rape and sexual assault in the one scenes beats UM

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Speaker 1: and in some cases also dealing with criminal investigation. So

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Speaker 1: you're right that I think it's it's totally illustrative of

855
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: a dark underbelly that law firms employee, that private investigators

856
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: focus on in terms of investigating UM allegations and investigating

857
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: people behind those allegations. And the interesting thing is first

858
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: of all, on its faith in terms of oh, can

859
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: someone be paid to investigate someone else? Is that legal? Yes,

860
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: it's legal, but there's a lot of questionable practices that

861
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: wine scenes Um contrasted army employee, right, I mean they

862
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: they to to lack year two of the investigators from

863
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: one of the companies were arrested on hacking charges, and

864
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: there was a lot of front companies, the true front

865
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: companies that were set up, so that's fraud. There was intimidation,

866
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: there was threats. The bifold purpose for wine Stein's Army,

867
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: as it were, was to quash publication of these negative

868
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: quote unquote stories and also to take Rose McGowan's manus

869
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: script to get that manuscript prior to publication, and he

870
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: enlisted through a law firm by David Boys, three different

871
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: firms to do so, three different um former secret offs

872
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: firms basically private investigation firms. And the contract which I

873
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: tweeted out earlier, one of those contracts, that was a

874
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollar contract with the success the added

875
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: on of three hundred thousand dollars and what was Yeah,

876
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: this is real money. I mean there's real money getting

877
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: thrown at this. Everybody. This is there's like a bounty

878
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: of you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars on getting

879
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: this information through whatever means they can totally. And in

880
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: that contract, what struck me, There are many things that

881
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: struck me, but one of the one of the one

882
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: of the statements was due to urgency, we are utilizing

883
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: our Blitz methodology. Now this was Black Cube. This is

884
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: the Israeli former X Massad agents who are employed at

885
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Weinstein's behest saying we are using Blitz methodology and you

886
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: know what is what what we've come to find out

887
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: is pure intimidation and it's threats and it's sidling to

888
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan under guise of being a feminist pro women's

889
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 1: you know, domestic violence group and paying her speaking fees,

890
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: investing in her production company, and the level of deceit

891
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: with ironic purposes to me. Um, I think that's what

892
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: shocks the public conscience. And you know, the other side

893
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: to it, like, like I said, any criminal defense attorney

894
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: would say, of course we investigate unproven allegations. Of course

895
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: we investigate other side, other the other side. Um, but

896
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: it's so negative, it's so invasive, These tactics are clearly questionable.

897
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: And then again under the entire rubric of well, we

898
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: know this guy is a bad guy. So this isn't

899
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: something where what you mentioned before, you know what, I've

900
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: been falsely accused, please help me prove my innocence. This

901
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: is so not that case. And I think that's what

902
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: vodes so terribly with the public is it's an extremely wealthy,

903
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: powerful villain who is chain upwards of a million dollars

904
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: to attack his his rape victim and to go after

905
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: our media, which we trust with speaking out and securing

906
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: the tree. That's I just want to say that you know,

907
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: there's there's this actor right now. Um, and I was

908
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: trying to remember his name, and this is what I

909
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: was one of the things I was thinking of as

910
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I was talking to you at the start of the segment. Uh,

911
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: Emily and that and that is this actor who Ed Westwick,

912
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: who's best known for being a star of the show

913
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl. He has been publicly accused of rape. This

914
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: has just happened the last day or so. And he

915
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: claims to not know this woman or have ever had

916
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: any contact with her whatsoever. U. I do not know

917
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: this woman. I have never forced myself on in any

918
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: manner on any woman. I certainly have never community ripe.

919
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: I do not know this woman. Is a very provable

920
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: or disprovable thing. So here you have a celebrity, a

921
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: prominent person who is saying that this is not a

922
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: this is not a close all. This is on a

923
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: false allegation along the lines of the Duke Lacrosse case

924
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: or some of these other things. Now, whether that's true

925
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: or not, I think the authorities be able to figure

926
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: out pretty quickly. But I think we're going to see

927
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: more of these two unfortunately, because the environment right now

928
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: is getting so hot and so tense and so full

929
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: of politicization that there will be. I think there will

930
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: be more of this. I think that there will be

931
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: people who take this in directions that or or take

932
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: the moment rather to try and exploit this. For whatever reason,

933
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't I can't imagine why anybody would ever level

934
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: a false allegation. But given how many real allegations there

935
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: have been, is very hard right now to be the

936
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: person in this case almost always gonna be the guy

937
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: who says, oh, but I'm actually the innocent one, and

938
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: that's a scary place. I agree with you on all

939
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: of those levels. And of course, even one proven false

940
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: allegation totally destroyed the authenticity and credibility of the million

941
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: other accurate, authentic allegations. So that's the largest problem in

942
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: my mind, in addition to being yes, in in in

943
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: his eyes or in a truly innocent person's eyes, Look,

944
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: this is a rich hunt. I had nothing to do

945
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: with this. You're right that it is totally provable for

946
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: him to have not known someone, which is why it's

947
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: so difficult for someone who does, which is why it

948
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: really is a gray area for someone who has been

949
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: accused that says, you know what you're you're you are

950
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: going to find a ton of photographs with me in

951
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: this person or I really did believe it was consensual,

952
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and I mean that that's a whole other topic. But

953
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: there's the point is is that there's a very big

954
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: spectrum potentially in people's minds um where they might have

955
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: honestly thought they were doing something consented to or not illegal,

956
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: and in a climate of sensitivity and empowerment for women

957
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: and men to come forward, for victims to come forward,

958
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: then perhaps that line is blurred for America. Buck Sexton

959
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: is back. We've got Selena zero with us now, everybody.

960
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: She is a syndicated columnist and co author of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming new book The Great Revolt Inside the Populist Coalition,

962
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Reshaping American Politics. Selena, great to have you back. Hey,

963
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me. Thank you so before

964
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: we get into your book, if you don't mind, I

965
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask for some of your insight into

966
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: the current situation of the Democrat Party as you see it.

967
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: We have some people who are saying that we shouldn't

968
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: even pay any attention to these Donna Brazil revelations, including

969
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: Virginia Governor Terry mccaulloff, who has the following to say,

970
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: play clip eight. Nobody cares, nobody cares Donna Brazil, nobody cares,

971
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about what Brazil has said in a book.

972
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. So you know, what

973
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: do you think that's so not true? The other night

974
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: I had some beers with a bunch of Democratic strategists

975
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: that work in and around Pennsylvania and Ohio. And you know,

976
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: these are the men and women that sort of make

977
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: all these local races work. Um not only in uh

978
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: in general elections, but also primaries. So the so um

979
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: A part of the problem is that it gets at

980
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: the fracture within the party between you know, the daughter

981
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Brazil's and the Clintons and the Sanders um of this world.

982
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: This this disruption that you saw happen with h with

983
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Brazil and with Sanders and with the Clinton people is

984
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: very um sort of a microscope or or or or

985
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: or a peek into the fractures you see at the

986
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: most local level between Democrats and And what's interesting to me,

987
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody's really noted this. It's not

988
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: just the top down problem. It's a bottom up problem.

989
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: And and and that rarely happens, right, but it's coming

990
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: from both ends, and and the party is really really

991
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: struggling because of these kinds of problems. It that that

992
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: is why you don't see them have a message. And

993
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, part of the big problem for the Democrats

994
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: is that they have spent much of this past year

995
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: since Trump won um either disbelieving or or dismissing his win,

996
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: or or telling people that you were stupid for voting

997
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: for him. And so they have not been able to

998
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: sort of craft a tangible benefit for you to come

999
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: over to their side before we move on. And that's

1000
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: a perfect transition. I'm sorry, Solan, I didn't mean to

1001
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: talk over you. I just want to say before we

1002
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: transition into your book, because I think that's a good

1003
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: place to do it. Which is how this whole Trump thing,

1004
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: how it happened, what it means now? Just do you

1005
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: think that it is? Are we in the last gasps

1006
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: of the Democrat Democrat Party being the party of of

1007
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: the Clinton dynasty, or are we actually seeing the reassertion

1008
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: of and what I mean the Clintons. I don't just

1009
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: mean Hillary and Bill, I mean all of their apparatus, right,

1010
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean is that are they losing their power, or

1011
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: they actually just now reasserting Donna Brazil doesn't get to

1012
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: call the shots here. We still do well as only

1013
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: a little Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Donna Brazil.

1014
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: They were all of that second generation of New Deal Democrats.

1015
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: And I think, what if you look at it a

1016
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: more larger point, this is the two thousand and sixteen

1017
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: What led up to two thousand and six team was

1018
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: the death of the New Deal Democrats. And and and

1019
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: these are the New Deal Democrats. What I mean by that,

1020
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: these are the children and the grandchildren of the of

1021
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: of the working class. Um, A voter who supported fdr

1022
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: In in some of the most trying economic times in

1023
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: our country. And and they these are people especially in

1024
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: places like or you know where I live in Western Pennsylvania.

1025
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: Right you're born, you know, a you're warn Catholic or

1026
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: Protestant and and a Democrat. I mean, it's just sort

1027
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: of part of your life. And and that tradition has

1028
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: broken with with Hillary Clinton's election. It was leading up

1029
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: to that, the Democratic Party has been pushing these voters

1030
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: out and the Republican Party has been absorbing them. Uh,

1031
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: and it's been um, you know, it's caused growing pains

1032
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: within the party, and and both parties are changing, and

1033
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: there's new coalitions within both parties, and that's part of

1034
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: what the New Revolt looks at. But I mean is

1035
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: is the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders wing truly ascendant or

1036
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: will they be co opted by the forces of I

1037
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to call out of than just you know,

1038
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: the big bad d n Z he No. I think

1039
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: they are the ascendant wing of this party. And and

1040
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: that is a problem for the Democrats because, uh, most

1041
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: of America, whether you're Democrat, at Republican or independent, tend

1042
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: to be sent to right. Not on every issue, but

1043
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: if you look at the whole person, you know, with

1044
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: a buffet of issues, they're more central rights than they

1045
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: are progressive. All Right, we're speaking of Selena Zito, and

1046
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: now we can get into her upcoming book, The Great

1047
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: Revolt Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics. Uh, what

1048
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: should what should people know? And you wrote this book?

1049
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: I know you. Uh, and look, Selena, you did great work.

1050
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: And I remember being over at CNN when you were

1051
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: at CNN, and you're doing great work on the election

1052
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: by actually covering the election instead of deciding that this

1053
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: was just going to be an opportunity to grandstand for

1054
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: one side of the other. So congrat on journalism. That

1055
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: was fun to see UM. And and on top of that,

1056
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: I just want to know, you know, what are you

1057
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: telling people in this book that affects the way that

1058
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: we should be perceiving our politics today. So the books.

1059
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: What I did was I went out to all the

1060
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: counties that went for Obama twice and then for Trump

1061
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: in in the Great Lakes rest belt area, so Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania,

1062
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: and Iowa, and I took a look at the voters

1063
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: in those counties. Have a lot of data diving that

1064
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: went into this UM, and I took a look at

1065
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: the voters at these districts in these counties because these

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Speaker 1: are the purest clips that even eliminated counties that went

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Speaker 1: Republican for Senate candidates in two thousand and fourteen. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's there's sort of seven different archetype apes

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Speaker 1: of voters that I broke down that people didn't see

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Speaker 1: as being a Trump supporter but are now becoming part

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Speaker 1: of this new coalition and that that gave rise under Trump.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't necessarily mean that Trump is where they stopped.

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Speaker 1: This is the new formation of the Republican Party. And

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Speaker 1: I'll identify one of the groups for you, um, and

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Speaker 1: that would be the women with guns. Uh, women went

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Speaker 1: for in the majority of women went for Trump under

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Speaker 1: the support of the Second Amendment and that they believed,

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Speaker 1: as modern feminist the most powerful empowering thing that they

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Speaker 1: could do would own a gun and be able to

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Speaker 1: protect themselves. And these vote these women voters were mostly

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Speaker 1: middle to upper middle class white female out Wow. So

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Speaker 1: that's part of Trump's new coalition such as as such

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Speaker 1: as it were. Are you sensing I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: tying in what we're talking about right now due to

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Speaker 1: the beginning of our conversation here for a moment, Selena.

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Speaker 1: But based on the research you did going out to

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Speaker 1: all these towns, are the Democrats have they realized Have

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Speaker 1: they come to the realization that they have to restore

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Speaker 1: their outreach and their well just their connectivity to people

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Speaker 1: who are in these parts of the country that went

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Speaker 1: for Trump, that had in the last election cycle gone

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Speaker 1: for Democrats. I mean, have they diagnosed their own problem

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Speaker 1: properly or are they still deluded with the Russia collusion narrative. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're still they still have not sort of accepted

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Speaker 1: this election and this change a lot of Democratic experts

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Speaker 1: or or Democratic voters, the most passionate one will think

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Speaker 1: of this as a one off and that this was

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Speaker 1: something that happened either because of Russians or because people

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Speaker 1: were stupid and and and or racist. And so they

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Speaker 1: have stuck with that sort of that three ProMED idea

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Speaker 1: that this is why Trump won, and they have not

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Speaker 1: focused on offering these voters um a reason to go

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Speaker 1: to their side. And until they they come to those terms,

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Speaker 1: they're still going to struggle in an election. So I

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Speaker 1: know where you know, we don't know the results yet

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, but there were the Democrats that I sat

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Speaker 1: down with the other night said, you know, it might

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Speaker 1: help our party a little bit if we lost Virginia,

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Speaker 1: because then they won't think this is a one off.

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Speaker 1: That would be the way that would be a wake

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Speaker 1: up call that even Democrats couldn't ignore, right, because you know,

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna be really honest with ourselves, Virginia is

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Speaker 1: a blue state. It is a blue state. It's about

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Speaker 1: six percent it's more Democrat than Republican and Republicans win there,

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Speaker 1: will win there once in a while statewide, but for

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Speaker 1: the most part, it is a blue state. And that

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Speaker 1: has a lot, a lot to do with the changing

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Speaker 1: demographics in northern Virginia and the higher concentration of population.

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Speaker 1: It's really d C. It's DC spillover that's created Virginia

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Speaker 1: or that's made Virginia a blue state. I mean I

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Speaker 1: used to live there. Yeah, exactly, absolutely exactly. I mean

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Speaker 1: I spent a few days in Virginia, um um writing

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Speaker 1: a story about this race, and you know, it was

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Speaker 1: interesting to me that a lot of you know, Virginia

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Speaker 1: Democrats were incredibly uninterested in this race. Now that may

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Speaker 1: have changed in the last two days. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the impact of them of that Lapino voter um,

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Speaker 1: the Latina I forget the name of that Latina victory

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Speaker 1: add hands on this race. And that's the one where

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Speaker 1: you saw the white guy in the pickup chalk and

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Speaker 1: he's running down you know, um a minority children and

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Speaker 1: you know that was pretty awful. Yeah, they pulled it

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Speaker 1: after the terrorist attack in New York, right, Uh so,

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Speaker 1: I mean that is that could have helped northern that

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Speaker 1: could have hurt him. The one thing I do know

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Speaker 1: is that if Gillespie loses tonight, the Republicans will be fine,

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Speaker 1: because there really wasn't any expectation he was going to win.

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Speaker 1: But if Northern loses, I think that the Democrats will

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Speaker 1: be inconsolable. But it also might be the best gift

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Speaker 1: they ever get in terms of coming to terms with

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Speaker 1: what they need to change about their message and their

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Speaker 1: approach to voters. One more before we let you go.

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Speaker 1: The heart of Trump is um is cultural or economic? Us? Both?

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Speaker 1: You go? So it's it's it's really equal. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it is both at some level, but you'd

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Speaker 1: say it's it's you can make an argument that it's

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Speaker 1: equal parts cultural and economic. Yeah. Absolutely, And and you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing about culture. Right, twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: years ago, we all watched the same thing on television. Right,

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Speaker 1: we have these cultural touchstones that were that bonded us together,

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Speaker 1: whether we lived in Washington, d C. Or East Liverpool, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't have those anymore. And and so

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Speaker 1: we we feel people that live outside of Washington and

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Speaker 1: New York feel really uh out of touch and out

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Speaker 1: of sink with the values of New York and Washington

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Speaker 1: and and so you have that factor, but you also

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Speaker 1: have the economic factor, right, I mean, during this great

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Speaker 1: technological industrial revolution that we're experiencing right now, automation and

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Speaker 1: technology is taking away I forget how many jobs in

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Speaker 1: the thousands jobs a day, and they're not replacing them

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Speaker 1: with well paying jobs. Uh, you know, afford the same

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Speaker 1: people in that same community. There may be more jobs,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to be located again in East Liverpool, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: And so there there is the have and they have not,

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Speaker 1: and that also creates an economic and cultural division. Selena

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Speaker 1: Zito is the author of the upcoming The Great Revolt

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Speaker 1: Inside the Populist Coalition, Reshaping American Politics. She's also a

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Speaker 1: syndicated columnists Rights Great Stuff. Check out all of her

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Speaker 1: latest and Selena always great to have you on. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for making the time and good luck with the book.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Alright, team, we're gonna roll into

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Speaker 1: a break. We're gonna talk about the hundredth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: the Bolshevik victory, the seizure of St. Petersburg, and what

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Speaker 1: that meant for humanity for the world for a hundred years.

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Speaker 1: So I had a feeling that Trump might surprising his

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Speaker 1: critics up end his detractors, flipped the script and go

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Speaker 1: to the d m Z between North and South Korea

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Speaker 1: during his trip to the Far East. And sure enough

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Speaker 1: he was going to And I was easy to say

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Speaker 1: now now that he's not going, but people have said

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Speaker 1: that he was going to go, it's easy to say, well,

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Speaker 1: I I I thought I thought he was gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought he was gonna go. But he's

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Speaker 1: not going because his surprise visit to the d m

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Speaker 1: Z was foiled by bad weather. They say, so um,

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Speaker 1: they had to call off Marine one and Trump had

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Speaker 1: to return to Seoul. It's a thirty mile flight north

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Speaker 1: from Seoul, the capital of South Korea. So Trump is

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Speaker 1: not going to the d m C. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a look, let's let's all be quite clear on this.

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Speaker 1: It's a photo op, right, Yeah, they're symbolism, mostly a

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Speaker 1: photo op, and it doesn't change with Korean policy or

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Speaker 1: anything else going on. So with all of that, also

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Speaker 1: another thing that I wanted to just toss into the

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Speaker 1: mix here, I haven't served and I should not say

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Speaker 1: this out a lot, because this is I am jinxing

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Speaker 1: myself here. I know this, but I haven't served on

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Speaker 1: a jury in a while, or I should I've actually

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Speaker 1: never served on a jury. I've never been Gosh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I shouldn't say this out loud. I haven't

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Speaker 1: been called a jury duty in a while. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying so long that like they clearly are gonna have

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Speaker 1: to find me so but I'm just saying it's been

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Speaker 1: a little while. You know, it's been more than a year.

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Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. I'll just say that

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Speaker 1: more than a year. How many years? Who knows more

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Speaker 1: than a year. But I remember being excused very quickly

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Speaker 1: each time they called out prospective jurors. My politics are well,

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Speaker 1: certainly I guess pretty out there now. Whether they're well

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Speaker 1: known or not. That all depends on who the person is.

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Speaker 1: But I'm certainly on the record on a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of things. And as somebody who also has a law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and his family and is very outspoken, I attended

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Speaker 1: to be the person that was very quickly excused from

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Speaker 1: each jury selection process. Uh. And I will say though

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Speaker 1: that at least now if you go for jury duty,

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Speaker 1: you have you can bring in a smartphone, right I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can bring stuff with you that connects to the

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Speaker 1: outside world. I may or may not recall that in

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Speaker 1: my day jury duty you could bring a book, but

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Speaker 1: there was let's just say that we weren't even really

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Speaker 1: a lot of cell phones around. It's been a little while.

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Speaker 1: Uh Anyway, that wasn't the only time, or was it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, can neither confirm nor to not. But

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Speaker 1: the point here is that I saw this, and this

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Speaker 1: is not an important story, but I just sometimes you

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Speaker 1: got to uh. In the Senator Menendez, which is a

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Speaker 1: very important story and is being very much covered in

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Speaker 1: the most nominal fashion by the mainstream media, right there,

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Speaker 1: they're covering They're given the bare minimum coverage. Right this

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Speaker 1: is like if this were a health in Earn's planning.

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Speaker 1: This is catastrophic coverage only. I mean, they're just the

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Speaker 1: bear the bare bones plan here. And today it was

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Speaker 1: reported by Bloomberg that a juror asked the trial judge

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Speaker 1: what is a senator? Now, maybe there's some context, maybe

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Speaker 1: there's something I'm missing here, but for an adult American

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Speaker 1: citizen to have to ask, or to decide to ask

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Speaker 1: a judge in a trial of this magnitude about a senator,

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Speaker 1: mind you, who is on trial for corruption and bribery?

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Speaker 1: What is a senator? There's a part of me that

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Speaker 1: at first read the story and thought, well, this clearly

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Speaker 1: can't be true. I mean, this is must be mr

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Speaker 1: you know, must be misreported whatever. And then I thought

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Speaker 1: about it, and I let it kind of marinate, you know,

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Speaker 1: upstairs a little bit, and I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I actually could see this happening. I could see somebody saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what a senator is. What's the senator?

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Speaker 1: But the person on the trial, you would think should know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Russian Revolution centennial, what does communism? What has

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Speaker 1: it meant in the last hundred years? He's holding the

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Speaker 1: line for America? Buck Sexton his back. One years ago today,

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Speaker 1: Vladimir ilioch Lenin seized power in a coup in what

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Speaker 1: is today St. Petersburg at the time Petrograd, and set

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Speaker 1: in motion events and emplaced in power a political ideology

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Speaker 1: that would claim the lives of directly and indirectly over

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Speaker 1: a hundred million people. A hundred years ago today, an

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Speaker 1: idea took root in the orders of power in Russia

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Speaker 1: that would almost destroy the world, that would bring us

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Speaker 1: to the brink of nuclear war and would condemn hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions and multiple generations two slavery, genocide, torture, the

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Speaker 1: policing of thoughts, the dismemberment of family relations, the usage

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Speaker 1: of familiar relations by intelligence services for the purposes of repression,

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Speaker 1: mass starvation, the creation and implementation of a vast series

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Speaker 1: of prison camps, the Gulag intended to both terrify the

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Speaker 1: population and subjugate, destroy, and murder millions of people. That

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Speaker 1: is the true legacy of communism a hundred years later.

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Speaker 1: And yet when we look back on the history of

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Speaker 1: the communist regime and what it did and the basis

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Speaker 1: of its ideology, why was it so wrong? What was

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Speaker 1: what was it that led communism or why was communism

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Speaker 1: such a tool and instrument of mass murder and genocide

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Speaker 1: and global industrial terror. It is the elevation of the

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Speaker 1: collective over the individual and the elimination of God and

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Speaker 1: its replacement with atheism. That's it. It's a tremendously complicated topic,

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Speaker 1: with endless histories and debates and discussion that could be

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Speaker 1: had about many aspects of it. We're talking about a

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Speaker 1: hundred years of history that affected a large portion of

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Speaker 1: the low well, it affected the entire globe, but that

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Speaker 1: determined the political systems for over the course of time,

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Speaker 1: a few billion people. It is astonishing in retrospect that

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Speaker 1: the American media and intelligency intellectuals in this country went

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Speaker 1: through a series of at first favorable treatment of Communism.

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Speaker 1: Fellow travelers, many ideological sympathizers in this country. The American

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Speaker 1: Communist Party was a real thing. There were infiltrations of

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Speaker 1: our government, despite to this day the claims to the

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Speaker 1: contrary from assorted media figures historians the Democrat party because leftists, democrats, socialists, communists,

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Speaker 1: they all share many of the same root fallacies. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying they are the same, but there are root

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Speaker 1: fallacies that are similar in the ideologies. Progressive Democrats share

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Speaker 1: beliefs with socialists, who share beliefs with communists, and the

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Speaker 1: history of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union is

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Speaker 1: one that is soaked in blood, but also allows the

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Speaker 1: whole world to see the dangers of a collective ideology,

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Speaker 1: a collectivist ideology, the dangers of full scale authoritarianism, totalitarianism,

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Speaker 1: and what that means. There is not nearly enough time

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Speaker 1: in our education system spent on this topic. The public

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Speaker 1: is still and you just know this from the way

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Speaker 1: that it is depicted in pop culture. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you see or or in our in our media, there

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01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: are still those who will say that, you know, so,

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Speaker 1: sure Stalin had his excesses, but the Soviet system was

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Speaker 1: based on good and pensions. No person who wanted to

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01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: be taken seriously and respected in public whatever utter such

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: words about Hitler's national socialism. But yet with Stalin there

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01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: is a there there is still an effort with the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union not to justify all of it, because it's

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: too horrific for for anyone with even a shred of

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: dignity and intellectual honesty and morality to try and justify.

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Speaker 1: Stalin was responsible for at least twenty million deaths within

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Speaker 1: his own country. We don't even really know the full

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Speaker 1: scale of the numbers. We have a sense of the scope. Millions,

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Speaker 1: tens of millions murdered, starved, tortured, beaten to death, committed

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Speaker 1: to psychiatric institutions for the crime of thinking the wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: That was a common tactic of the KGB and the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union, the official erasing of people from public records,

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Speaker 1: so that the Soviet Union would not, as the Nazis

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: did keep very detailed to the person records of their

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Speaker 1: purges and their executions and their mutilations. But understanding the

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Speaker 1: ideology and understanding the history and the origins of communism

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01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: is necessary for understanding how it all went so wrong,

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01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: but also why to this day we have to maintain

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Speaker 1: a certain vigilance against the same fallacies, a vigilance against

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Speaker 1: state based atheism, and a vigilance against collectivism, elevation of

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Speaker 1: the group over the individual, the elevation of identity politics

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Speaker 1: over the rights, this sanctity and dignity of each and

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Speaker 1: every human being. There are echoes of what went so

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Speaker 1: wrong in the Soviet Union in our own society today.

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Speaker 1: I don't try to get into some of them, although

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Speaker 1: I don't have all that much time for such a

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Speaker 1: weighty topic. From the very beginning, and one of my

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Speaker 1: great frustrations and those who want to read more, especially

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Speaker 1: on the debate about how evil the Soviet Union really

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Speaker 1: was and how Western intellectuals, a lot of Americans, a

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Speaker 1: lot of Europeans, Western Europeans were defending the Soviet Union

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: or soft peddling their crimes, were pretending that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: quite as bad as it was covering up for their

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Speaker 1: their failures, and there were active debates for decades after

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Speaker 1: Stalin's purges about whether they really were purges or not.

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Speaker 1: How bad were the purges. Robert Conquest, and Anglo American

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Speaker 1: author wrote The Great Terror, and I would highly recommend

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01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: it to all of you. He sets the record quite straight,

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Speaker 1: and once you read that book, you get an understanding

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01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: of just how root and branch rotten the Communist system was.

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Speaker 1: Everything about it top to bottom a machine of ideological slaughter,

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Speaker 1: crushing people's lives. With the only rationale given that whatever

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: supports the party is good, anything that opposes the party

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01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: is bad. You are either helping the revolution or you're

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Speaker 1: a counter revolutionary, and if you're a counter revolutionary, you

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01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: must be eliminated. And this did not just extend to

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Speaker 1: individual acts. In fact, one of the great evils of

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Speaker 1: the totalitarian system of the Communists was if you were

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01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: part of the wrong class, the wrong ethnic group, if

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01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: you fell into the wrong identity politics, segment, you were

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01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: to be eliminated. Did not matter how much you supported

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: the revolution. You could have had pictures of linen all

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01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: over your home, but if you were a cool lock,

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01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: if you're part of the small individual farming class that

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Speaker 1: was liquidated by Stalin through decool a causation, and they

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Speaker 1: found them to be undesirable. They had this radical economic plan.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to industrialize, they wanted people to move the cities,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted collective farms, no individual ownership, no individual farms.

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Speaker 1: So the cool locks had to go. Didn't matter what

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Speaker 1: their politics, ideology was, or anything else. Whole classes of

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Speaker 1: people to be eliminated because their counter revolutionaries, because it

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01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: no longer mattered what an individual said, thought or did.

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Speaker 1: It was is this individual useful for the purposes of

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Speaker 1: the party or not. And that kind of instrumental, instrumentalization

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Speaker 1: of humanity, of human beings extended all the way to

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01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: the top of the Communist Party itself, those who would

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Speaker 1: at one point be heralded as necessary for the success

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Speaker 1: of the revolution. Later on we're lined up against a

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Speaker 1: wall in some dark cell somewhere and unceremoniously shot because

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Speaker 1: Stalin thought they should be because he didn't like them,

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Speaker 1: or because they were threat to his power, or maybe

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Speaker 1: he just thought that it was time for them to go.

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Speaker 1: Didn't matter, No justification needed. It was all for the party.

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Speaker 1: It was all for the power of the system, and

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Speaker 1: the system was going to bring about paradise. The system

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: was going to make a socialist heaven on earth. You

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Speaker 1: know about the promises. The promises never came to fruition.

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Speaker 1: But those promises were used as a kind of collateral

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Speaker 1: against an enormous debt that the Soviet Union ran up

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Speaker 1: against humanity, a debt of lives stolen, crushed, destroyed, murdered,

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Speaker 1: mutilated by the millions, millions upon millions. And that evil

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Speaker 1: of communist ideology, as you all well know, extended well

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Speaker 1: beyond the boundaries and the borders of the Soviet Union,

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: not even in the area of the Iron Curtain that

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01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: fell down after the Second World War. But it now

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: is a problem that plagues us to this day. What

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: would the world be like if China was not still

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Speaker 1: grappling with its Communists, not just roots, but communist party

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Speaker 1: apparatus still in power. I know it's different from the

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01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Soviet regime, but because of its inherently status nature, you

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01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:32,959
Speaker 1: could have inhumane policies like the one child policy, for example.

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Speaker 1: You would not in a liberal democracy of citizens who

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Speaker 1: respect life and individual rights ever have such a thing,

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01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: but in communist China, yes you can have it. We

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Speaker 1: should all also understand that some of the most horrifying

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Speaker 1: components of North Korean society today, the fact that the

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Speaker 1: regime believes in punishment by family or four entire families

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Speaker 1: based on the acts of a single individual. That's not new.

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01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: North Koreans didn't invent that. In fact, the founder of

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Speaker 1: the North Korean dynasty spent time in the Soviet Union.

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01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: The founder of the North Korean dynasty was somebody who

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01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: was tied in with the Chinese and the Soviets and

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01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: borrowed from their totalitarian playbook extensively, as well as in

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Speaker 1: the creation of the cult of personality around the Kim dynasty.

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01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: So the horrors of communism continue to this day. They're

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01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: just in different places and on a different scale. It's

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01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: almost impossible for me to sit here and quantify all

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01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: of the terrors that should be and must be attributed

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01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: to bad ideas. Ideas really do matter. I have to

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,879
Speaker 1: remind myself of that sometimes these days in political discourse

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01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: in this country. But it's one of the reasons why,

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Speaker 1: no matter how tired I am, how frustrated, frustrated. I am.

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01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: I show up and I try to do the best

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Speaker 1: I can to share good ideas with you and the truth,

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: because if you listen to the show, you already know

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01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: bad ideas, ruined lives, ruined countries, could even ruin the world,

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01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and we came close to that because of communism. So

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01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: the fact that a coup in a hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: today then said in motion the most awful totalitarian regime

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Speaker 1: in terms of human toll in all of history, is

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Speaker 1: not something that any of us should forget. It's not

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01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: talked about in school nearly enough. And an understanding of

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01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: why the ideology was so corrosive and destructive needs to

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01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: accompany any study of the subject matter. Our kids, forget

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: just our kids, our adults. The American people need to

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01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: understand why did communism turn out the way that it did?

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01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: What was it a out it that was so wrong?

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01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: I wonder how many if I were to walk around

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Speaker 1: the street, even here in California and asked the question,

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01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: how many would give me a real answer? I wonder

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01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: how many would if I asked, do you think that

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01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,839
Speaker 1: communism It's a good idea, It's just tough to implement?

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01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Would say Yeah, that sounds about right. And I wonder

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01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: how many would want asked who the greatest monsters of

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01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: history are? Would understand that any certainly in the modern context,

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01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: any answer would be with the exception of Hitler, who

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01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: would probably be top of the list, but all the

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01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: other answers would be communists. Now, Stalin pol Pot, you

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01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: go down the list the worst of the worst communists,

1443
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and how many could even separate out what's the difference

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01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: bee the socialist than a communist. Well, the communists were

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01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: Bolsheviks before they changed their name, and the Bolsheviks were

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01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: part of a broader coalition of socialist including Mensheviks who

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01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: are trying to fight against the Bolsheviks. And initially we're

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01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: going to have a more representative assembly, but then force,

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01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: brute force violence became the order of the day. Lennon said,

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01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: you know what, it's going to be our way, and

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01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: we're going to kill anyone who stands in the way.

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01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: That was the seed, that was the basis the beginning

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01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 1: of these of the Soviet totalitarianism. That it's not about discourse,

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01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: it's not about right and wrong, it's just about power

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01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 1: and how do you achieve it, and anything that can

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01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: achieve power for a regime that will elevate the state

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01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: into the position of God, is therefore justified. No action

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01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: can be considered immoral, No right is sacro sanct The

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01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: only thing that mattered was the revolution. How many could

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01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: make that case? How many of were from Americans? Even

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01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: know this history, know this ideological battle that's been playing

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01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: out for some of the decades. Ideas really do matter,

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01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: and dangerous and destructive ones have resulted in unimaginable and

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01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: untold suffering for generations. And we should commemorate the hundred

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01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: anniversary of the founding of the Soviet totalitarianism by a

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01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: bloodthirsty Lenin and the individuals around him that were part

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01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: of this coupe. We should also remember that it has

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01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: been a hundred years. Communism has been a hundred years

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01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: of the worst oppression, mass murder, and destruction that humanity

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01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 1: has ever known. I've got breaking news for all of

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Speaker 1: you listening. Uh, not not a good night for the GOP.

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01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, not a good night for the GOP.

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01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: You have a Democrat victory in the governor's race in

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01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and you have a Democrat victory in the

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01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: governor's race in Virginia New York do Blasio was gonna win.

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01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: We all know who cares. I mean, you could run

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01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: you could literally run a a sack of potatoes with

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01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: a sign on it that says Democrat candidate in New

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01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: York City and it would win. Right, it doesn't matter.

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01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, but the the governor's races, well, look, New

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01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Jersey was expected to go to the Democrat. Fine, but

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01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have a scorching hot takes a lot

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Speaker 1: of hot takes coming your way on why Ralph Northam

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Speaker 1: was able to beat Gollespi, And I think it's gonna

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01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: be interesting to see people try and come up with

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01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: a way to say that, uh, Northern Virginia suburbs voting

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01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: for the Democrat instead of for the Republican. Here is

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01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: a reflection of Trump's failures. It Everyone tries to take

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01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: a lot of well to come up with a lot

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01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: of takeaways from these state election and for the national

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01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: political conversation, and sometimes they're compelling. I don't know, I

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01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: don't really see one here with with what happened in

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01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Virginia just yet, although keep in mind, I'm I'm just

1494
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: looking at the results now and I'm just reading now

1495
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: what the what the talities were and everything. I'm just

1496
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: bringing you the break of news here. That's how I

1497
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 1: roll bring you the breaking news. But I do not

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01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: see a a reason for this to be. And maybe

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01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: maybe I'll see and I'll tell you about it tomorrow.

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01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't see how this is

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01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: a reflection necessarily on the administration. Although people will say

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01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: it's that, but I'm just trying to be honest. How

1503
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: is this a reflection of the administration? Um the Democrat

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01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: wins in Virginia, which was expected to happen, I guess

1505
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: of the vote in northam had and Gillespie trailed with

1506
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: So look, I mean, do you know Virginia is a

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01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 1: close a close state Democrat and Republican. So okay, alright, Democrats,

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01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: you pulled off a victory this time, but just wait

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01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: till those midterms come up. My friends, it's a very

1510
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: different story for all the Democrats out there. We've got

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01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hansen joining us here in a few moments

1512
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: to talk about who should get nukes as well as

1513
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: his book that's out on the Second World Wars. So

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01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,759
Speaker 1: V d. H of the Hoover Institutes a great, great scholar,

1515
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: great analyst, and historians were excited to chat with him.

1516
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: And then I got some Team Bucks speaks, so we

1517
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: can hear from all of you. Alright, everybody, we talked

1518
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 1: about politics a lot on this show. We talked about

1519
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: history on this show. We have somebody who can give

1520
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: unique and areadite insights into both. Victor Davis Hansen is

1521
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: with us now. He is a senior fellow at the

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01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Hoover Institution and American military historian columnists at National Review,

1523
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: and his latest is The Second World Wars, how the

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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: first global conflict was fought, and one which I have

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01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: now in my hand. Victor, great to have you on.

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01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. First. Let's let's talk about

1527
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: your peace on crossing the Trump rubicon and the competing

1528
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: visions right now in American politics as you see it, Well,

1529
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party as we used to know me meaning

1530
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: somebody is sixty four years old of Hubert Humphrey or

1531
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 1: JFK and the latest incarnation in the nineties by Bill

1532
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: Clinton no longer exists. So the progressive project is superseded

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01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. And my point in that article was

1534
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't see a concerted resistance against that, whether it's

1535
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: culturally exemplified by the NFL protest or the statutory removals

1536
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 1: by Night, or the antifop protest or pretty much the

1537
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: agenda Bernie Sanders, except for Trump, whether we like it

1538
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, we're not getting a lot of

1539
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: influential pushback by the Weekly Standard or the Republican Establishment

1540
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: and the Senate. So whether you like Trump or don't

1541
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: like Trump, there's a legitimate views either way that whether

1542
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,600
Speaker 1: you like it or not, he's crossed the river and

1543
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 1: you're either with him or against him now because there's

1544
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 1: no other viable alternative, at least for the next few

1545
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: months or years. I've been speaking to people about this

1546
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: in really well in recent months, in recent weeks, and

1547
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: as recently as today, and it seems to me, Victor,

1548
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: that there needs to be an acceptance from within the

1549
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: let's call the intellectual wing of of the conservative movement

1550
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: or the intellectuals wing of the Conservative movement that Trumpism

1551
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: is now the GOP and that's not going to change

1552
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: anytime soon. So working within that framework seems to me

1553
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: to be much more helpful, if in fact being helpful

1554
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: is the goal, instead of standing outside of it. And

1555
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 1: passing judgment on its imperfections. Yeah, I think there's two points.

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01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: There are one, it's hard to know what they don't

1557
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: like about the agenda. It's the most conservative since Reagan.

1558
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: If you look at national security policy, there was a

1559
01:36:55,320 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: restoration of Terrance, closing the border, uh de regular Asians,

1560
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: energy promotion. I know there's some problems with trade, but

1561
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Trump has not had tariffs quite like George W. Bush yet.

1562
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: And then so I think that's hard if you have

1563
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: never Trump or to tell us exactly what Trump is

1564
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: doing message wise or gender wise that you don't like.

1565
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: And then the alternative is that the Republican Party would

1566
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: not have won those nine swing states with Jeff Bush

1567
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 1: or Marco Rubio. I like both of them. They weren't

1568
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna win, and whether we like it or not, they've

1569
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: lost four out of the five popular votes in the

1570
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: last elections. We're speaking to Victor Davis Hanson, who's a

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01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Victor, you've a piece

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01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: up on National Review. Who gets to have nuclear weapons?

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01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: And why? I think this is particularly uh important to

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01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: speak about right now considering that the Trump administration or

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01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 1: President Trump himself is over in East Asia and trying

1576
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,839
Speaker 1: to bring together a coalition to deal with the problems

1577
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 1: of North Korea, and that discussion seems to be a

1578
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: constant repetition of the same ideas and policies that have

1579
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: not born fruit in the past. And I just wonder

1580
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 1: at what point we understand that North Korea is going

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01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: to push other states in the region to go nuclear. Yeah.

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01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: I think the good point there, and he has a

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01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: lot of leverage if he used it, is that the

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01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: last thirty years we were always told that non proliferation

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01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: it was important for the world, but that the people

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01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: who broke it, whether it was China or Pakistan or

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01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: in the case of the attempts by Syrian Iraq, we're

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01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 1: our enemies. But we should tell the Chinese and the

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01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: Russians too that the next round of nonbliberation efforts, if

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01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,759
Speaker 1: it fails, it's going to lead to a nuclear Japan,

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01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: a nuclear South Korea, maybe a nuclear Taiwan, and reaction

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01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: to North Korea, and then the Middle East. If Iran

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01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: gets the bomb and they think that's cute, they being

1594
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: its patrons like Russia or China, then they better be

1595
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: careful because Egypt and Saudi Arabia will probably get the

1596
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: bomb along with Israel, and the world will be not

1597
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,560
Speaker 1: nine nuclear players, but six teen or seventeen, and the

1598
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: last six or seven are gonna be pro American. So

1599
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: it's not going to be good if your China and

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01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: you look at your border and all of a sudden

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01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: you wake up and there's China, There's a Taiwan, um Japan,

1602
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: South Korea, Russia, Pakistan, India, American basis around all around

1603
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: your borders. I start to wonder our fears of proliferation

1604
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: a little overblown, especially with respect to the downside of

1605
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: a nuclear armed South Korea, the downside of a nuclear

1606
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: armed Japan. These are close US allies, They're responsible nation states,

1607
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: and I don't know many Americans who pay attention to

1608
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: the issue, which is a whole subset, right, I mean,

1609
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 1: who really thinks about Pakistan all that much these days?

1610
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: But people aren't losing sleep over Pakistan having nukes right now,

1611
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't realistically, I mean, anything could go wrong,

1612
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: but nothing has yet. I think that the general rule

1613
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: is if you're an India's role and all this is

1614
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: essential too. That's why we don't lose sleep. I think

1615
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: there's two two things that make us not loose sleep.

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01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 1: Either they're a democratic France, Britain, the United States, and Israel,

1617
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: or they're deterred by a neighbor like India does to Pakistan.

1618
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: But in the case of North Korea, we don't have

1619
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 1: a deterrent. Maybe Iran Israel maybe not so. And we've

1620
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: always said it's bad to proliferate, and it is and

1621
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: more nuclear powers and more chances in theory, but we've

1622
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: always said that because we thought they were going to

1623
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 1: be anti American. The next round may not be anti American.

1624
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 1: And the onus is on our rivals and belligerents, not us.

1625
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 1: It seems to me to make a world more conducive

1626
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 1: to peace, because I would not want to be facing

1627
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: a nuclear Japan. They will make nukes like Toyota is

1628
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: not like North Korea does. We've got Victor Davis Hansen here,

1629
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: who is a fellow, a senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,

1630
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: also author of the new book The Second World Wars. Uh,

1631
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: tell me about what you address in here, Victor? What what?

1632
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: What are some of the important areas and points you

1633
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,560
Speaker 1: make in the Second World Wars. One of them is

1634
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: deterrence is not just defined by your material wherewithal, but

1635
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: the appearance or the likelihood that you're unpredictable or you

1636
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: have the will to use it. So, in the case

1637
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: of nineteen thirty nine, Germany by any material standard was

1638
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: weaker than France and Britain combined, but they were France

1639
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: and Britain did not give the appearance to the Germans

1640
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 1: they would do anything whe their wonderful shard tanks or

1641
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: their some supermine split fires. And especially in forty one,

1642
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: when Japan and Germany did the unthinkable in attacking two

1643
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 1: countries who was a population was almost was well over

1644
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 1: three fifty million people, And why did they do that?

1645
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: Because of American prior isolationism, Russian collusion, and when coupled

1646
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: with British appeasement, Hitler and Tojo made a fundamental era

1647
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: that these countries either wouldn't react in a global existential

1648
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: fashion in which they did, or if they did, they

1649
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't fight wholeheartedly. And of course, once he in Russia

1650
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: was invaded by the Third Drike and once in America

1651
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: was attacked at Pearl Harbor, once Italy and Germany declared

1652
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: war on December eleventh. Then it was just a matter

1653
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: of time to what degree the Allies wanted to have

1654
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: a unconditional surrender rather than a World War one like armsist.

1655
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: So when you when you declare a war in a

1656
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: global sense to the end, as Hitler and told you,

1657
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,560
Speaker 1: you better have an ability to hit the enemy's homeland.

1658
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: Neither country had a four engine bomber. Germany had no

1659
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 1: aircraft carriers, so they did not have ability to hurt

1660
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: the homelands of the country's a surprise attacked, and the

1661
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: countries that were surprised attacked had a very good ability

1662
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: to hit their home round. We think it's fair to

1663
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 1: say that in the at least in a superficial review

1664
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: of the histories that have been written or the way

1665
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: that the way that people think of it, the First

1666
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: World War is always synonymous with miscalculation, right, that everyone

1667
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: ever does, and this is how we got into trench warfare.

1668
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: But when you're telling me there were equally enormous and

1669
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 1: catastrophic miscalculations about what the reaction to certain moves were

1670
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: by the belligerents in the Second World War, yeah, I

1671
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: think they're both the same. I think the First World

1672
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: War was just a loss of deterrence on the side

1673
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: of the German, the British and the French that were

1674
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: not able to tell Germany that it's not going to

1675
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: be eighteen seventy and seventy one again in the same

1676
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: king in World War Two. It was a miscalculation on

1677
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 1: the Allied part that if they appeared sober and judicious

1678
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: or keep keep me out of it isolation it's in

1679
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: the case of America, or can I help you in

1680
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: the case of Stalin, that that would appease or pacify

1681
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 1: these fascist powers. And once that didn't happen, Uh, they

1682
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: didn't understand what war was, they being Germany, at Italy

1683
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: and Japan. That war is a laboratory that tells you

1684
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: who actually is powerful. And it took sixty five million people,

1685
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,920
Speaker 1: eight percent of the civilians in nineteen five to tell

1686
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,760
Speaker 1: us what we should have known in thirty nine, that

1687
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: it's a stupid thing to attack the British Empire, the

1688
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 1: United States and the Soviet Union and put them all

1689
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 1: on the same side. Do you think we'll make it

1690
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: through this century Victoria without a war on the scale

1691
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: of the wars that we saw in the twenty I

1692
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: think so, because they're all based. It's based on the

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Speaker 1: perception of deterrence. I don't think that even the most

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Speaker 1: naive American any longer believes that the United Nations, it's

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Speaker 1: the promise of the League of Nations did after World

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Speaker 1: War One, is going to adjudicate you know, difference. It

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Speaker 1: all depends on whether the United States and the democracies

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Speaker 1: are able to tell aggressors, most of them not as

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Speaker 1: powerful as we are, that it would be a stupid

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Speaker 1: thing and a cost benefit analysis to try to get

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Speaker 1: a war with us. And what I'm worried about North

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01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Korea is not an accident. But North Korea is not

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01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: yet fully aware of the capability of the United States

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Speaker 1: and we that's because of thirty years of appeasement. But

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 1: we have to make it clear to them that what

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01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,799
Speaker 1: where they're going is going to lead to their destruction

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Speaker 1: and hope they'll stop. The Second World Wars is the

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01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: book How the First Global Conflict was fought At one.

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Speaker 1: Victor Davis Hansen of the Hoover Institution. Great to have you, Victor,

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Speaker 1: thanks you joining me in studio. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Gonna get into some team Buck speaks here in just

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01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: a moment very much enjoying my time out here at

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01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 1: the Hoover Institute on Stanford University's campus, a lovely place.

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01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: I was joking around today that my experience of DC

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01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: Think Tanks was generally pretty pretty bland executive lunch food.

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01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what you'd even call it,

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01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: but you know, lots of kind of boring turkey wraps

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01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: and and salad that nobody really wanted to eat. Whereas

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01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 1: here instead of the food is great, the weather is

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01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: pretty nice, and the campus is absolutely gorgeous. And very

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01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: much enjoying my time out here California. I understand why

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01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: people live here, despite the politics, the taxes, and the

1723
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: um the eco based problems like the paper bags that

1724
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: you have to use because if you use plastic bags

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01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: the world would end or whatever. It's just nonsense. But

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01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: I'm very much enjoying my time out here. It's been

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01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: it's been great. So let's get into some Team Buck

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01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Speaks because I love that part of the show. We

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01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 1: got Daniel right again. Oh and before I get into this, sorry,

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01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: there was a delay on the podcast Guy's just a

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01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: tech issue, a tech glitch that we had to fix.

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01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: Podcasts from yesterday should be up by now it's good

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01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 1: to go, and tonight's podcast we will get up in

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01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: much quicker order. So um, Daniel right in with the following.

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Speaker 1: Just listening to Friday's show. If you ever need any

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01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: veterinary advice, don't hesitate to ask. Been a vet for

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Speaker 1: thirteen years with cat Dog, Zoo, Exotic and Wildlife Experience,

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01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,759
Speaker 1: Hope producer Amy's dog is okay, Shields high Well, Daniel,

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01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much. If we ever do have a

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01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: vet specific question, we can certainly reach out to you.

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01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: We appreciate the offer. And yes, as I said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the good news is that Amy's dog is fine. Um.

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01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: But as many of you already know who have dogs,

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01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 1: dog runs can be a tricky business. People think their

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01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: dog is friendly, or they want to believe their dog

1746
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 1: is friendly and well behaved with other dogs, doesn't show

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01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: aggressive tendencies, and they are sometimes wrong, with very very

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01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 1: negative consequences, often for other people's dogs. So that's that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for writing in, Daniel. Paul writes, great job

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Speaker 1: closing out the Brazil segment with the humorous what Happened

1751
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 1: More of this please? Uh. You cover a wide range

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01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 1: of topics each broadcast. Perhaps you could do a summary

1753
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: of the topics covered and call it what happened or

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01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 1: what happened Buck or what what Bucks has happened? Yeah,

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01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: the last one is out. Just some ideas what kind

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01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: of what we did learn today? And that's from Paul. Well, Paul,

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01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: I like that idea. Maybe the team will be able

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01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: to pick up that as a project. For me, I'm

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01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: a little bit overwhelmed as it is with writing TV

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01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 1: radio and the various projects that I'm working on on

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01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: the side, podcasts and whatnot. So um, but it's a

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01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: great idea. It's just a question of pulling it all

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Speaker 1: together when I finished up the show here, and we will.

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01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: We will try. I can tell you we will try.

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01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,919
Speaker 1: Tyler writes. And I'm really enjoying your Investor Our podcast.

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01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 1: I started listening to them a week ago or so

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01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 1: and listen from the beginning. I'm on episode four or five.

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01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you guys ever talk about derivatives and

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01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: the role they play in our debt issue. Well, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you enjoy speaking of side projects. The Stansbury

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01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: Investor Our podcast I'm a part of. If you're interested

1772
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 1: in finance, for the markets at all. It's really must listening.

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01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean, they have phenomenal experts come on and I'm

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01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: learning so much from the podcast because I'm not a

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01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 1: market's econ guy. I'm not a financial services or just

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01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 1: a finance guy in general, or finance for those of

1777
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 1: you who like to go fancy. But the podcast is

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01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for me to learn and it's the

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01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: Stansbury Investor Hour. You can go to Investor Hour dot

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01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: com for more on that. We have uh writing in

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01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: David hey Buck, another terrible day. Seems like I checked

1782
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Drudge too often to see if there's been some sort

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01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: of attack. Unfortunately, I'm right more times than not. Res

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01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: and Lead. It isn't about guns. I firmly believe it's

1785
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 1: about the country being over prescribed with psychoactive drugs. This

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01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 1: is going to be one of the biggest weeks of

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Speaker 1: your young radio career. I have no doubt you will

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01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:13,639
Speaker 1: step up and offer the best objective insight possible. Shields

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Speaker 1: high and God bless from David Well. David, thank you

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01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 1: very much. I appreciate your kind words and hopefully I

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01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: am living up to your expectations as an analyst and

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01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 1: and radio host this week and every week. As to

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Speaker 1: the the psychoactive drugs that you're referring to, I think

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Speaker 1: the most commonly prescribed ones, and don't quote me on this,

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01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: and I'm not a doctor, right, so I think s

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Speaker 1: s R eyes and s n R eyes uh so

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01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 1: selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, those are very common. And uh

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Speaker 1: I think it was a selective nor nor I forget,

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Speaker 1: I forget the SNR stands for but s SR. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There is I think, unfortunately, a a linkage in many

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Speaker 1: people's minds between these drugs and mass casualty incidents. But

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Speaker 1: that you have to think about the chain of causation here,

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01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 1: or rather the the change of correlation, which is that

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01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 1: people who have a history of mental illness may are

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Speaker 1: more likely to be on these drugs, and people who

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Speaker 1: have a history mental illness are the ones who are

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Speaker 1: more likely to be involved in shootings. But this is

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Speaker 1: a very very small percentage, I mean an infinitesimal percentage

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Speaker 1: of the overall population that struggles with all different kinds

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Speaker 1: of you know, people refer to mental illness. It's it

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01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 1: is a spectrum, right. There are people who are have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of O c

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Speaker 1: D or they struggle with a little bit of depression.

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Speaker 1: They're fully functional, completely trustworthy. There are mom's, dad's, sisters, brothers,

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01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, girlfriend's, boyfriend's, best friends, co workers. That's just reality,

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Speaker 1: is that a lot of people struggle with mental illness

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Speaker 1: at at different levels of seriousness. Um And so it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like saying, and I wish that the discussion

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01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: around this would get a little bit more precise, because

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Speaker 1: after a mass shooting, yeah, it's mental illness, but you know,

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01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: this guy in Texas was kind of like the bubonic

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Speaker 1: plague of mental illness. And when you look at other

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Speaker 1: individuals who are who are dealing with mental health issues,

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Speaker 1: who take ss R e S or whatever the case,

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Speaker 1: whatever drug they may be on, you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: they got a cold and they're they're fixing it. They're

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Speaker 1: dealing with it, and they'll be they'll be okay, but

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Speaker 1: they're they're addressing it. So we need to think of

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Speaker 1: mental illness much more along the lines of how we

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Speaker 1: think of traditional physical illness and ailments, which is that

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Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a huge difference between uh, somebody

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Speaker 1: having ebola and somebody having a you know, a common

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01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: cult and there are the same thing as true in

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Speaker 1: the mind. In a sense, you can have a very

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Speaker 1: low level of a mental illness that you're completely functional

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Speaker 1: and fine, and you're just dealing with it because you

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01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 1: want to be comfortable and happy and as well adjusted

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01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 1: to your day to day environment as you can e

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just cognitive therapy, it's just talking that

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Speaker 1: helps people, or it's just prayer, you know, or it's

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Speaker 1: just a relationship with God. I mean, there's there's any

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Speaker 1: number of meditation, or there's any number of ways that

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01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: people deal with this, but we need to we need

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01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 1: to make sure that that's also out there too. As

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01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: we talked about the mental health aspect of this, that

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Speaker 1: saying that somebody saying that he was mentally ill, he

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01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 1: was this guy was severely mentally ill. And we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: conflate any form of mental illness with this at all, because,

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Speaker 1: as I said, are our family members, many of us,

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01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: ourselves are struggling with whether serious or less serious versions

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01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:40,839
Speaker 1: of different mental illnesses, and whether it's just anxiety depression.

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01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 1: These are things that people deal with really at some

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01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: level in there, at some point in life, at some

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01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,640
Speaker 1: level everyone deals with this. This is the question of

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Speaker 1: how and how serious it is? All right, So I

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Speaker 1: guess that's where I will close out the show for today.

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Speaker 1: Please do a download buck Sexton with America Now the

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01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: podcast on iTunes, buck sexton dot com, slash store for gear.

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Speaker 1: More from pretty sunny Northern California. Until then Tomorrow, Shields

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Speaker 1: High