WEBVTT - Urgent Manhunt Underway For Hiking Couple Double Murderer

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. That's July twenty eighth, and a manhunt

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<v Speaker 1>is underway for a double murderer who killed a couple

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<v Speaker 1>while they were on a hike with their two young children.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohlds. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a shocking story about a double murder. The detail

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<v Speaker 1>about the kids now makes this just horrific in an

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<v Speaker 1>all new way. And to think that person right now

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<v Speaker 1>is on the run.

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<v Speaker 2>He is on the run. There is a massive manhunt

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<v Speaker 2>underway in northwest Arkansas. This happened at a state park,

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<v Speaker 2>Devil's Den State Park in northwest Arkansas. It's about what

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes from Fayetteville, if.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody knows northwest Arkansas, the Ozarks, all that mountainous region

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<v Speaker 1>up there. But yeah, there's a lot of this terrain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's beautiful and people go hiking and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gorgeous hiking. I mean, for anyone who's listening, who

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<v Speaker 2>has I mean, I love hiking, grew up hiking, took

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<v Speaker 2>my kids hiking. It's a safe place. You feel peace,

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<v Speaker 2>you feel calm, you're surrounded by nature. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>just a horror movie, truly isolated, a horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, right isn't that horror of it? You kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get away from people.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, and you know, this is an area and it's

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about it. But part of the details, part

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<v Speaker 2>of the problem with getting the word out about what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened, was there is no cell phone service in

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<v Speaker 2>these rugged areas and so but that is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the draw and the beauty. You're not hooked on your device,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not getting those emails or those annoying texture with

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<v Speaker 2>your family, or you're with your dog or with your

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by yourself, just experiencing nature and being removed

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<v Speaker 2>from all the chaos. And this was a Saturday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful day to hike with your family. I would

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<v Speaker 2>feel so safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's again your family. This was two

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<v Speaker 1>about two thirty in the afternoon. All that's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and the kids are seven and nine, Like imagine the horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Now seven and nine year olds. We're with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>still no explanation. Again, we don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>details from the police, no explanation, And I can't make

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<v Speaker 1>sense of that. Maybe we never will. We're always trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make sense. But why why attack these folks and

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<v Speaker 1>the kids are there? And then the kids end up.

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<v Speaker 2>Unharmed, yes, and we haven't gotten a lot of details,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a report from one of the local

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<v Speaker 2>affiliates there who said the kids ended up somehow, some

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<v Speaker 2>way at the visitor center, which is pretty remarkable. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if someone guided them there, if they found

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<v Speaker 2>their way back there. But when the nine to one

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<v Speaker 2>to one call was made from the visitor center two police,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, I've got two kids here and they say

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<v Speaker 2>their parents have been attacked and they're missing, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we do and we did get that little bit of detail,

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<v Speaker 2>but the kids were completely unharmed, scared as you can

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<v Speaker 2>only imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can only imagine. Again, I don't know how far.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. It would be curious to know at some

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<v Speaker 1>point how much ground they had to cover, like how

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<v Speaker 1>far they had to go and how far they had

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<v Speaker 1>to run, And if they made it back to the

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<v Speaker 1>visitor center, then all likelihood they didn't see anybody because

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<v Speaker 1>they would have stopped it, of course they would have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>So how far did they have to go to make

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<v Speaker 1>their way back?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just they have talked about this particular

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<v Speaker 2>area where they were as rugged and steep and thick

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<v Speaker 2>so and again no cell phone service. But the victims,

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<v Speaker 2>we should say who they were, because I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is just gutting and if you go online you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>their pictures everywhere. But forty three year old Clinton David

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<v Speaker 2>Brink and forty one year old Kristen Amanda Brink, and

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<v Speaker 2>their family is speaking out. They're asking for privacy, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're also calling those two parents' heroes. They said they

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<v Speaker 2>died protecting their children. We don't know the details. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if their family was given any of those details,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly that statement would suggest, and they knew them well,

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<v Speaker 2>that they of course would have done anything for their children.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual specific statement is this, the family is asking

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<v Speaker 2>for privacy during this very difficult time as they grieve

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<v Speaker 2>and learn how to navigate this new reality. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how shocking, how scary They continue that they ask if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone has information at all that will help in the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>to please contact the proper authorities immediately. Clinton and Kristen

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<v Speaker 2>died heroes protecting their little girls, and they deserve justice.

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<v Speaker 2>They will live, they will forever live in all of

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<v Speaker 2>our hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only imagine that's exactly had to be when

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<v Speaker 1>they realized they were being assaulted, attacked, or whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>their first thought was to make sure the kids are okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably tell your kids to run. Probably run, run, That's

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<v Speaker 2>what you would do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just instinct. In that case. Who knows that we

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<v Speaker 1>We'll probably never get the details. I don't know whose

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility it is to talk to these kids, to have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk them through this incident so you can get

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<v Speaker 1>information and then maybe go catch this person who is

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<v Speaker 1>on the run. It's just horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>I have chills from head to toe thinking about. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how much I love of being in the woods, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've run alone in the woods. We love the rail

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<v Speaker 2>trail in Arkansas. I don't know how if it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>pretty close to this area. We like a flat trail.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not into the rugged terrain so to seek. But

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<v Speaker 2>you and I both love that peacefulness of running, walking,

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<v Speaker 2>hiking in the woods and feeling like you're one with nature.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just horrific to think someone was lying in wait.

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<v Speaker 2>But we do have a description of the suspect for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's listening, and police have asked, and you just

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<v Speaker 2>heard the family make that plea as well, that if

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<v Speaker 2>you took pictures in the area. If you had videos,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of folks pulling up their cell phone, go

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<v Speaker 2>back and look, see if you see anything suspicious, but

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<v Speaker 2>anyone matching this description. A white man with medium build,

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<v Speaker 2>dark pants, dark ball cap and sunglasses, a white long

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<v Speaker 2>sleeve shirt with sleeves rolled up, a black backpack, and

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<v Speaker 2>they specifically pointed out that the man had fingerless gloves.

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<v Speaker 2>We can only assume this description came from the little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the two who we know saw this assailant,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently they believe he was driving a black four

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<v Speaker 2>door sedan, perhaps a Mazda. And they said that they

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<v Speaker 2>believe the license plate had duct tape or electrical tape

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<v Speaker 2>over it, disguising the license plate. But it suggests planning, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of folks are trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>was this a random act of violence? Was this a

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<v Speaker 2>targeted killing? But you know, it's tough to know obviously

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<v Speaker 2>right now, but we're starting to get some details about

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<v Speaker 2>who this couple was, and they had just moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the area from Montana. They believe that she was a nurse.

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<v Speaker 2>She had graduated with an associate degree in nursing. According

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<v Speaker 2>to the college's website. So, you know, everyone seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>this was a sweet family of four who had just

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<v Speaker 2>moved and she was a nurse. And that's that's all

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<v Speaker 2>the details we really have at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, obviously it seems like so much detail about the suspect,

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<v Speaker 3>down to the sleeves being rolled up, that's what they

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<v Speaker 3>believe he looked like at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what he looks like now? Who knows where

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<v Speaker 1>he is?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>The devil's den is closed, All trails are closed right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's scary to think there's always killers among us. You

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<v Speaker 1>could argue, right, it's always somebody you don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But to know.

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<v Speaker 1>That the person who did this is out there somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrifying for people in that region. And he's in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods somewhere possibly, And who is this guy? What

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<v Speaker 1>was the purpose was this target? Is this random? And

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be doing more random stuff like this?

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<v Speaker 1>Is terrifying for a community.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely feels like you're watching a real live horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we mentioned the first call, the nine one

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<v Speaker 2>one call with the little girls and the visitor center

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<v Speaker 2>was around two thirty, So a lot of folks have

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<v Speaker 2>been pointing to the timeline how much time lapsed between

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<v Speaker 2>that first call and police alerting the public. But reporters

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<v Speaker 2>in the area started to get tips that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a big police presence in that State Park area about

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<v Speaker 2>two hours later, around four thirty, But it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>eight forty that night that the Arkansas State Police were

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<v Speaker 2>able for they actually released the first warning that a

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<v Speaker 2>massive man hunt was under way, that a double murderer

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<v Speaker 2>was on the loose. That was about six hours after

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<v Speaker 2>that first call. And some folks have been upset about

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<v Speaker 2>that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They should. We are talking about to do police actually

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<v Speaker 1>have a heads up and knew that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>threat to the community running around and you'd let that

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<v Speaker 1>thing go for six hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Six hours e if.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking let's go down to five, let's go four,

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<v Speaker 1>go three, go two, one is too much. As soon

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<v Speaker 1>as you know this threat is out there, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to let the community know. But however, folks, would you

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<v Speaker 1>believe the police there in Arkansas say they have a

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<v Speaker 1>very good, valid reason as to why it took so

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<v Speaker 1>long to get the word out.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 2>TJ where we are talking about this frightening manhunt that

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<v Speaker 2>is going on right now in northwest Arkansas after a

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<v Speaker 2>man killed a couple, a married couple forty one and

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<v Speaker 2>forty three years old, and attacked them right in front

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<v Speaker 2>of their two daughters, who were ages seven and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>The family was on a hike on a beautiful Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ozark Mountains on a popular hiking trail, and

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<v Speaker 2>the little girls ended up at the visitor center. Nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one was called immediately, but it took six hours

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<v Speaker 2>before an alert a bulletin went out to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the area to the residents who lived nearby that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a double murderer on the loose, and folks

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<v Speaker 2>are not too happy about that massive delay, but the

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<v Speaker 2>police say there was a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just rug it up here, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>really say, as far as it took them a while

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<v Speaker 1>to find the spot in this rugged terrain, like we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, the communications and not so great cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>signals and all that stuff, But to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to be and then interview enough people around

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<v Speaker 1>to even piece together what exactly had happened that took

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<v Speaker 1>them a while, and then to relay that information back out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's six hours that's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long time. I actually have the exact quote

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<v Speaker 2>from Arkansas State Police. They said the location is in remote,

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<v Speaker 2>rural Arkansas. It took time for our special agents to

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<v Speaker 2>arrive on the scene, locate witnesses, conduct interviews, and collaborate

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<v Speaker 2>information so we could release the appropriate information.

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<v Speaker 1>Six hours. I mean you, I don't know. I'm it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to criticize. I don't know exactly what they were

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<v Speaker 1>going through. It's just for no, I don't care. Six

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<v Speaker 1>hours is a long time. If you're actually telling me

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know we had a murderer on the loose

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<v Speaker 1>until right before we put that statement out, that means

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<v Speaker 1>you all are terrible investigators if it took you six

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<v Speaker 1>hours to piece it together.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're saying they wanted to have all the information

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<v Speaker 2>correct before disseminating it. But the reality is that obviously

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<v Speaker 2>is a crucial time to the point where they've actually

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<v Speaker 2>asked I mean, I don't know this area specifically, but

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<v Speaker 2>there must be enough residents or enough homes near and

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<v Speaker 2>around the state park that they have absolutely asked anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who has a home near this state park to look

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<v Speaker 2>at their surveillance footage their door cam videos, whatever people

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<v Speaker 2>might have around their homes for surveillance, to see if

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<v Speaker 2>they could go back in this time and see if

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<v Speaker 2>they see anything suspicious, anyone matching the suspects description. But

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<v Speaker 2>the point being is if there were enough people that

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<v Speaker 2>they're asking for that help, it's just concerning that those

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<v Speaker 2>people weren't given enough opportunity to be warned that a

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<v Speaker 2>farmed and dangerous man is on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>A weather man gives you a heads up about a tornado. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you alert the public to a threat when you know

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<v Speaker 1>there is one. Now, if it took them six hours

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<v Speaker 1>to figure it out, again that I will give them

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<v Speaker 1>that benefit of the doubt. My apologies for calling you

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<v Speaker 1>bad investigators, but if they're telling me, but what's a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable lapse robes between when we knew there was a

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<v Speaker 1>killer on the loose and when we told the public.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think thirty minutes at the most. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>at the most, I think you get it out whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you have to try and get people to be vigilant,

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to protect themselves, to bring your kids indoors.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you want your kids playing around in the

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<v Speaker 2>yard on a Saturday afternoon, if you know a killer

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<v Speaker 2>is on the loose, You absolutely do not. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have many or all of the folks who

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<v Speaker 2>live in that area would have operated differently and probably

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<v Speaker 2>changed their behavior, absolutely knowing that that was possible. Also

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they had a description of the car. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>once it's gotten away, it could be anywhere. And to

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<v Speaker 2>say it's a black four door sedan, possibly a Masda

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<v Speaker 2>with its license plate covered by tape.

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<v Speaker 1>That's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really tough. But maybe if it had been given

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<v Speaker 2>out immediately, perhaps it would have been a little bit easier.

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<v Speaker 1>But you notice, and in that area of pictures that

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<v Speaker 1>even asking people with homes to check their door cams

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<v Speaker 1>and all these things. They at this point, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>are there only witnesses a seven and nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>who else is around could have seen them or heard something,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe other people have a description of somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>they saw on.

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<v Speaker 2>The trail, correct, I mean, you'd have to think that

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<v Speaker 2>if he were hiking, or he were around, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was dressed in all black with hat and a sunglass

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<v Speaker 2>like you do. I mean, I am a pretty avid hiker.

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<v Speaker 2>You do see some folks on the trail that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>feel a little suspicious you remember them. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>have had my heart pound a little bit, thinking is

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<v Speaker 2>that guy here to hike or is he doing what

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been in a group. I was never alone.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have your You definitely have your senses heightened,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking around, especially when you know there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other folks. But I would imagine this

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<v Speaker 2>is a They say this is a popular hiking area

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ozark National Forest. They say it's a popular

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<v Speaker 2>tourist destination. They've got caves and rock formations.

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<v Speaker 1>And cabins and yeah, get in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a big, big like Granted, of course you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the great outdoors, so there's a lot of space

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<v Speaker 2>in between people. But it would not be hard to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that other people saw someone matching that description and

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<v Speaker 2>probably helped maybe fill in the holes that the little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine the trauma of that moment you're seven

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<v Speaker 2>or nine, all of a sudden, we don't know the scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>but somehow, some way, this man in black is attacking

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<v Speaker 2>your parents, and then your parents are probably screaming run,

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<v Speaker 2>run run. The adrenaline the fight or flight To remember

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<v Speaker 2>details would be incredibly difficult in that stressful situation, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you're that when you're.

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<v Speaker 1>That young, you're not supposed to have to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>any of this, and with your family of four at

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<v Speaker 1>two point thirty in the afternoon walking in a public trail,

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have to worry about this either. This story

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to update you on. We are sure there

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<v Speaker 1>will be updates from police. Whatever they are. We'll hop

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<v Speaker 1>back on and certainly and hopefully rooms when they catch

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<v Speaker 1>whoever this person is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but our hearts go out to the family and

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<v Speaker 2>the friends and the people who loved Clinton and Kristen

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<v Speaker 2>Brink and certainly we hope that there will be justice

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<v Speaker 2>for the two of them. Thank you for listening to us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Amy Robach along with TJ. Holmes. Hope you all

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<v Speaker 2>have a wonderful evening.