1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. That's July twenty eighth, and a manhunt 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: is underway for a double murderer who killed a couple 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: while they were on a hike with their two young children. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohlds. This 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: is a shocking story about a double murder. The detail 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: about the kids now makes this just horrific in an 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: all new way. And to think that person right now 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: is on the run. 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: He is on the run. There is a massive manhunt 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: underway in northwest Arkansas. This happened at a state park, 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: Devil's Den State Park in northwest Arkansas. It's about what 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: thirty minutes from Fayetteville, if. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: Anybody knows northwest Arkansas, the Ozarks, all that mountainous region 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: up there. But yeah, there's a lot of this terrain, 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: but it's beautiful and people go hiking and. 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, gorgeous hiking. I mean, for anyone who's listening, who 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: has I mean, I love hiking, grew up hiking, took 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: my kids hiking. It's a safe place. You feel peace, 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: you feel calm, you're surrounded by nature. So this is 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: just a horror movie, truly isolated, a horror. 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: Movie, right isn't that horror of it? You kind of 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: get away from people. 23 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: Correct, and you know, this is an area and it's 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: we'll talk about it. But part of the details, part 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: of the problem with getting the word out about what 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: had happened, was there is no cell phone service in 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: these rugged areas and so but that is part of 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: the draw and the beauty. You're not hooked on your device, 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: you're not getting those emails or those annoying texture with 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 2: your family, or you're with your dog or with your 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, by yourself, just experiencing nature and being removed 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: from all the chaos. And this was a Saturday afternoon, 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: a beautiful day to hike with your family. I would 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: feel so safe. 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: And I think it's again your family. This was two 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: about two thirty in the afternoon. All that's going on, 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: and the kids are seven and nine, Like imagine the horror. 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: Now seven and nine year olds. We're with them, and 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: still no explanation. Again, we don't have a lot of 40 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: details from the police, no explanation, And I can't make 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: sense of that. Maybe we never will. We're always trying 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: to make sense. But why why attack these folks and 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: the kids are there? And then the kids end up. 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: Unharmed, yes, and we haven't gotten a lot of details, 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: but there was a report from one of the local 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: affiliates there who said the kids ended up somehow, some 47 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: way at the visitor center, which is pretty remarkable. I 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: don't know if someone guided them there, if they found 49 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: their way back there. But when the nine to one 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: to one call was made from the visitor center two police, 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: they said, I've got two kids here and they say 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: their parents have been attacked and they're missing, and so 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: we do and we did get that little bit of detail, 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: but the kids were completely unharmed, scared as you can 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: only imagine. 56 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can only imagine. Again, I don't know how far. 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: I'm curious. It would be curious to know at some 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: point how much ground they had to cover, like how 59 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: far they had to go and how far they had 60 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: to run, And if they made it back to the 61 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: visitor center, then all likelihood they didn't see anybody because 62 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: they would have stopped it, of course they would have seen. 63 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: So how far did they have to go to make 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: their way back? 65 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just they have talked about this particular 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: area where they were as rugged and steep and thick 67 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: so and again no cell phone service. But the victims, 68 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: we should say who they were, because I mean, this 69 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: is just gutting and if you go online you'll see 70 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: their pictures everywhere. But forty three year old Clinton David 71 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: Brink and forty one year old Kristen Amanda Brink, and 72 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: their family is speaking out. They're asking for privacy, but 73 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: they're also calling those two parents' heroes. They said they 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: died protecting their children. We don't know the details. We 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: don't know if their family was given any of those details, 76 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: but certainly that statement would suggest, and they knew them well, 77 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: that they of course would have done anything for their children. 78 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: The actual specific statement is this, the family is asking 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: for privacy during this very difficult time as they grieve 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: and learn how to navigate this new reality. I mean, 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: how shocking, how scary They continue that they ask if 82 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: anyone has information at all that will help in the investigation, 83 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: to please contact the proper authorities immediately. Clinton and Kristen 84 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: died heroes protecting their little girls, and they deserve justice. 85 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: They will live, they will forever live in all of 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: our hearts. 87 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: You can only imagine that's exactly had to be when 88 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: they realized they were being assaulted, attacked, or whatever it was, 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: their first thought was to make sure the kids are okay. 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: Probably tell your kids to run. Probably run, run, That's 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: what you would do. 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: It's just instinct. In that case. Who knows that we 93 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: We'll probably never get the details. I don't know whose 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: responsibility it is to talk to these kids, to have 95 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: to talk them through this incident so you can get 96 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: information and then maybe go catch this person who is 97 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: on the run. It's just horrific. 98 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: I have chills from head to toe thinking about. I mean, 99 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: how much I love of being in the woods, and 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: I've run alone in the woods. We love the rail 101 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: trail in Arkansas. I don't know how if it's probably 102 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: pretty close to this area. We like a flat trail. 103 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: We're not into the rugged terrain so to seek. But 104 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: you and I both love that peacefulness of running, walking, 105 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: hiking in the woods and feeling like you're one with nature. 106 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: This is just horrific to think someone was lying in wait. 107 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: But we do have a description of the suspect for 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: anyone who's listening, and police have asked, and you just 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: heard the family make that plea as well, that if 110 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: you took pictures in the area. If you had videos, 111 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: a lot of folks pulling up their cell phone, go 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: back and look, see if you see anything suspicious, but 113 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: anyone matching this description. A white man with medium build, 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: dark pants, dark ball cap and sunglasses, a white long 115 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: sleeve shirt with sleeves rolled up, a black backpack, and 116 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: they specifically pointed out that the man had fingerless gloves. 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: We can only assume this description came from the little girls. 118 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: They were the two who we know saw this assailant, 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: and apparently they believe he was driving a black four 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: door sedan, perhaps a Mazda. And they said that they 121 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: believe the license plate had duct tape or electrical tape 122 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 2: over it, disguising the license plate. But it suggests planning, right, 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: So a lot of folks are trying to figure out 124 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: was this a random act of violence? Was this a 125 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: targeted killing? But you know, it's tough to know obviously 126 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: right now, but we're starting to get some details about 127 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: who this couple was, and they had just moved to 128 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: the area from Montana. They believe that she was a nurse. 129 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: She had graduated with an associate degree in nursing. According 130 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: to the college's website. So, you know, everyone seemed like 131 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: this was a sweet family of four who had just 132 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: moved and she was a nurse. And that's that's all 133 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: the details we really have at this point. 134 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: Well, obviously it seems like so much detail about the suspect, 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: down to the sleeves being rolled up, that's what they 136 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: believe he looked like at the time. 137 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: Who knows what he looks like now? Who knows where 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: he is? 139 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: Right now? 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: The devil's den is closed, All trails are closed right now. 141 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: It's scary to think there's always killers among us. You 142 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: could argue, right, it's always somebody you don't know. 143 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: But to know. 144 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: That the person who did this is out there somewhere, 145 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: it's terrifying for people in that region. And he's in 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: the woods somewhere possibly, And who is this guy? What 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: was the purpose was this target? Is this random? And 148 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: he's going to be doing more random stuff like this? 149 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: Is terrifying for a community. 150 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 2: It absolutely feels like you're watching a real live horror movie. 151 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: And so we mentioned the first call, the nine one 152 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: one call with the little girls and the visitor center 153 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: was around two thirty, So a lot of folks have 154 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 2: been pointing to the timeline how much time lapsed between 155 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: that first call and police alerting the public. But reporters 156 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: in the area started to get tips that there was 157 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: a big police presence in that State Park area about 158 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: two hours later, around four thirty, But it wasn't until 159 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: eight forty that night that the Arkansas State Police were 160 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: able for they actually released the first warning that a 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: massive man hunt was under way, that a double murderer 162 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: was on the loose. That was about six hours after 163 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: that first call. And some folks have been upset about 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: that as well. 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: They should. We are talking about to do police actually 166 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: have a heads up and knew that there was a 167 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: threat to the community running around and you'd let that 168 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: thing go for six hours? 169 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: Six hours e if. 170 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: We're talking let's go down to five, let's go four, 171 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: go three, go two, one is too much. As soon 172 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: as you know this threat is out there, you've got 173 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: to let the community know. But however, folks, would you 174 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: believe the police there in Arkansas say they have a 175 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: very good, valid reason as to why it took so 176 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: long to get the word out. 177 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and 178 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: TJ where we are talking about this frightening manhunt that 179 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: is going on right now in northwest Arkansas after a 180 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: man killed a couple, a married couple forty one and 181 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: forty three years old, and attacked them right in front 182 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: of their two daughters, who were ages seven and nine. 183 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: The family was on a hike on a beautiful Saturday 184 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: in the Ozark Mountains on a popular hiking trail, and 185 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: the little girls ended up at the visitor center. Nine 186 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: one one was called immediately, but it took six hours 187 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: before an alert a bulletin went out to the rest 188 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: of the area to the residents who lived nearby that 189 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: there was a double murderer on the loose, and folks 190 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: are not too happy about that massive delay, but the 191 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: police say there was a reason. 192 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just rug it up here, I mean, they 193 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: really say, as far as it took them a while 194 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: to find the spot in this rugged terrain, like we 195 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the communications and not so great cell phone 196 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: signals and all that stuff, But to figure out where 197 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: they needed to be and then interview enough people around 198 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: to even piece together what exactly had happened that took 199 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: them a while, and then to relay that information back out. 200 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: That's six hours that's tough. 201 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: It's a long time. I actually have the exact quote 202 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: from Arkansas State Police. They said the location is in remote, 203 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: rural Arkansas. It took time for our special agents to 204 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: arrive on the scene, locate witnesses, conduct interviews, and collaborate 205 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: information so we could release the appropriate information. 206 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: Six hours. I mean you, I don't know. I'm it's 207 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: hard to criticize. I don't know exactly what they were 208 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: going through. It's just for no, I don't care. Six 209 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: hours is a long time. If you're actually telling me 210 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: we didn't know we had a murderer on the loose 211 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: until right before we put that statement out, that means 212 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: you all are terrible investigators if it took you six 213 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: hours to piece it together. 214 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: And they're saying they wanted to have all the information 215 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: correct before disseminating it. But the reality is that obviously 216 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: is a crucial time to the point where they've actually 217 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: asked I mean, I don't know this area specifically, but 218 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: there must be enough residents or enough homes near and 219 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: around the state park that they have absolutely asked anyone 220 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: who has a home near this state park to look 221 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: at their surveillance footage their door cam videos, whatever people 222 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: might have around their homes for surveillance, to see if 223 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: they could go back in this time and see if 224 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: they see anything suspicious, anyone matching the suspects description. But 225 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: the point being is if there were enough people that 226 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: they're asking for that help, it's just concerning that those 227 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: people weren't given enough opportunity to be warned that a 228 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: farmed and dangerous man is on the loose. 229 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: A weather man gives you a heads up about a tornado. Yeah, 230 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: you alert the public to a threat when you know 231 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: there is one. Now, if it took them six hours 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: to figure it out, again that I will give them 233 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: that benefit of the doubt. My apologies for calling you 234 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: bad investigators, but if they're telling me, but what's a 235 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: reasonable lapse robes between when we knew there was a 236 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: killer on the loose and when we told the public. 237 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I think thirty minutes at the most. I mean, 238 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: at the most, I think you get it out whatever 239 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: you have to try and get people to be vigilant, 240 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: to be able to protect themselves, to bring your kids indoors. 241 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: You think you want your kids playing around in the 242 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: yard on a Saturday afternoon, if you know a killer 243 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: is on the loose, You absolutely do not. So you know, 244 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: you would have many or all of the folks who 245 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: live in that area would have operated differently and probably 246 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: changed their behavior, absolutely knowing that that was possible. Also 247 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: the fact that they had a description of the car. Look, 248 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: once it's gotten away, it could be anywhere. And to 249 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: say it's a black four door sedan, possibly a Masda 250 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: with its license plate covered by tape. 251 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: That's tough. 252 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: That's really tough. But maybe if it had been given 253 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: out immediately, perhaps it would have been a little bit easier. 254 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: But you notice, and in that area of pictures that 255 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: even asking people with homes to check their door cams 256 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: and all these things. They at this point, I mean, 257 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: are there only witnesses a seven and nine year old 258 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: who else is around could have seen them or heard something, 259 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: or maybe other people have a description of somebody else 260 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: they saw on. 261 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: The trail, correct, I mean, you'd have to think that 262 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: if he were hiking, or he were around, and he 263 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: was dressed in all black with hat and a sunglass 264 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: like you do. I mean, I am a pretty avid hiker. 265 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: You do see some folks on the trail that sometimes 266 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: feel a little suspicious you remember them. I mean I 267 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: have had my heart pound a little bit, thinking is 268 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: that guy here to hike or is he doing what 269 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: I've always been in a group. I was never alone. 270 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: But you have your You definitely have your senses heightened, 271 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: and you're looking around, especially when you know there aren't 272 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: a lot of other folks. But I would imagine this 273 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: is a They say this is a popular hiking area 274 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: in the Ozark National Forest. They say it's a popular 275 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: tourist destination. They've got caves and rock formations. 276 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: And cabins and yeah, get in there. 277 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big, big like Granted, of course you're 278 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: in the great outdoors, so there's a lot of space 279 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: in between people. But it would not be hard to 280 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: believe that other people saw someone matching that description and 281 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: probably helped maybe fill in the holes that the little girls. 282 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: Can you imagine the trauma of that moment you're seven 283 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: or nine, all of a sudden, we don't know the scenario, 284 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: but somehow, some way, this man in black is attacking 285 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: your parents, and then your parents are probably screaming run, 286 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: run run. The adrenaline the fight or flight To remember 287 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: details would be incredibly difficult in that stressful situation, especially 288 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: when you're that when you're. 289 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: That young, you're not supposed to have to worry about 290 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: any of this, and with your family of four at 291 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: two point thirty in the afternoon walking in a public trail, 292 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to worry about this either. This story 293 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: will continue to update you on. We are sure there 294 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: will be updates from police. Whatever they are. We'll hop 295 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: back on and certainly and hopefully rooms when they catch 296 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: whoever this person is. 297 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Yes, but our hearts go out to the family and 298 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: the friends and the people who loved Clinton and Kristen 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: Brink and certainly we hope that there will be justice 300 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: for the two of them. Thank you for listening to us. 301 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robach along with TJ. Holmes. Hope you all 302 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: have a wonderful evening.