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Speaker 3: Hey their Cowboys Nation. The Cowboys fall to the Los
Speaker 3: Angeles Chargers thirty four No Good, thirty four to seventeen,
Speaker 3: the final score from AT and T Stadium.
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Speaker 3: About what happened over the course of that football game.
Speaker 5: In Week sixteen, the Cowboys fall to six eight and one.
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Speaker 3: SWBC studios. Yeah, not the game that the Cowboys certainly wanted.
Speaker 3: Of course, in between the time of our final show
Speaker 3: on Say It with You Chest Friday into this Monday,
Speaker 3: it ends up being an elimination for the Cowboys as
Speaker 3: well as the Eagles.
Speaker 5: Garnet took down the Commanders. It was a part of
Speaker 5: what we anticipated.
Speaker 3: However, Yeah, it's now official, and it became even more
Speaker 3: official whenever they.
Speaker 5: Lost later on. So there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: A lot of disappointment I think around the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five season when it comes to the Cowboys and the
Speaker 3: talent and.
Speaker 5: How they were, they were, how they played yesterday.
Speaker 3: But I'll start with you Patrick, you were in the building,
Speaker 3: your thoughts on how it went down against the Chargers.
Speaker 6: Once again, the Cowboys are the g RG, the get
Speaker 6: right game, that's how it goes.
Speaker 1: So we said it last week.
Speaker 6: Josh pointed it out as a contrary point to yours, Kyle,
Speaker 6: when you were just thrown out the stats, saying that
Speaker 6: the offensive line for the Los Angeles Chargers basically were
Speaker 6: one of the worst in the league as far as
Speaker 6: allowing pressure on.
Speaker 7: Injuries on the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and your.
Speaker 6: Counterpoint was that, well, the Cowboys can't get after the
Speaker 6: up to the quarterback, So which one of these things
Speaker 6: is going to out bad the other thing? And I
Speaker 6: said on Friday, I think the Cowboys' lack of pass
Speaker 6: of rushability is going to make it a watch and
Speaker 6: I think that Justin Herbert is going to stay clean
Speaker 6: for a good bit of the game. Well, Justin Herbert
Speaker 6: was not sacked for the first time this entire season.
Speaker 6: Cowboys did not sack Justin Herbert a single time. He
Speaker 6: had his way back there. He was back there playing
Speaker 6: Madden basically, and from there so the game went. Cowboys
Speaker 6: these last two weeks have figured out the inability to
Speaker 6: have a fast start offensively. They figured that out, but
Speaker 6: now they're having slow finishes. Peanut butter, no jellymn Ham,
Speaker 6: no burd It seems like that's the theme with this
Speaker 6: Cowboys team this season. Something goes right and then something
Speaker 6: else is going wrong to wash it out. And that's
Speaker 6: what happened again on yesterday. Shouts out to you know
Speaker 6: that Dyke tried to push through. George Pickens had a
Speaker 6: big game, Ceedee Lamb crossed the thousand yard threshold for
Speaker 6: a fifth consecutive season despite having missed several games, so
Speaker 6: you know, there was some bright spots. Yafonte, he did
Speaker 6: what he could. Ryan Flanoy, I'm waiting for an update
Speaker 6: on him with the knee injury. Just kind of quick news.
Speaker 6: And note Ryan Flinoy with a knee and the Marvin
Speaker 6: Overshowing concussion. I don't expect either of them to play
Speaker 6: on Christmas Day. Just put that out there right now.
Speaker 6: But for the most part, I mean, the defense was
Speaker 6: getting gashed as they normally have been those three games,
Speaker 6: notwithstanding coming out of the boweek and it was a
Speaker 6: lot of the same old, same olde which is a
Speaker 6: team comes in and whatever they're bad at they suddenly
Speaker 6: become really good at.
Speaker 7: But I was told that having Matt Eberflus up in
Speaker 7: the booth to call the game defensively would improve. I mean,
Speaker 7: it was just an idea to improve. This is something
Speaker 7: that they came up with, the brain trust that the
Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys came up with. Over the last week. I
Speaker 7: did not see any indication of a change on defense. Obviously,
Speaker 7: this looked to be like one of the worst performances
Speaker 7: that I've seen from the Dallas Cowboys defense. But yet again,
Speaker 7: like we were just talking about the Dallas Cowboys defense
Speaker 7: just can't get right. That's their nickname the season. In
Speaker 7: another situation where the offense has to play a perfect
Speaker 7: game in order to to keep you in the conversation.
Speaker 7: In the game period did in.
Speaker 5: The first half for the most part, it.
Speaker 7: Looked good, and then an unfortunate holding call, which was
Speaker 7: kind of iffy on my part, permitted Ryan Filoy's second
Speaker 7: touchdown of the game.
Speaker 1: It was tiki tech, but it was the right call.
Speaker 1: I hate to him.
Speaker 7: I disagree Patrick.
Speaker 1: You can't hold they and turn him.
Speaker 6: I mean, and if you let that go a split
Speaker 6: second sooner, then you probably don't get the flag. And
Speaker 6: also if you don't hold him at all, it doesn't
Speaker 6: affect the play if you look at the time and
Speaker 6: of the throw so.
Speaker 3: Well, and Isaiah said in real time, he said, Dak
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily help out there because he went into the pressure.
Speaker 3: Not that Dak knows, but he went into the pressure
Speaker 3: and then allowed for Khalil Mactain.
Speaker 1: It was Tiki tech, but it was not a bad call.
Speaker 7: I really don't want to I mean, granted that the
Speaker 7: Chargers defense buckled up in the second half and we
Speaker 7: were able to hold the Cowboys from doing anything offensively
Speaker 7: and had them in a lot of fourth down situations
Speaker 7: which Cowboys did not convert on. There was just some
Speaker 7: looks there that the offense was not necessarily getting right.
Speaker 7: But more so than not, the fact that you weren't
Speaker 7: able to generate any pressure against that offensive line, the
Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys, I mean against the Chargers offensive line. It's
Speaker 7: just to me, it just is more of the same.
Speaker 7: And talked about him going up to the booth and
Speaker 7: how that might change things, a better look, a better view,
Speaker 7: and being able to make better adjustments during the game.
Speaker 7: You simply didn't see it. It was just more of
Speaker 7: the same.
Speaker 1: Their offense scoring against our defense six of eight times.
Speaker 7: Easily, six scoring drives of eight.
Speaker 8: Drives, eight total possessions.
Speaker 7: Wow, that seems like a lot, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: It's not a good percentage. But second half the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do we know it. But the first half was good.
Speaker 1: Second half the Cowboys possessions. But turtle run downs, turnle
Speaker 1: run downs, fumble.
Speaker 7: That doesn't seem good either, GB not good.
Speaker 9: Bum.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do anything offensively. You had a good start offensively,
Speaker 1: you had a good start defensively, it wasn't wasn't great
Speaker 1: at all. Obviously it was not all just Eberflus. I know,
Speaker 1: I know he's getting torch right now, and statistically for
Speaker 1: the last fifteen games, it shows that he should be
Speaker 1: getting torch. But it's not just him, it's not just Flus.
Speaker 1: There were times where he got out schemed. There was
Speaker 1: times where he called man and we got beat Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: understand he's the representative and responsible for all those guys
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, but guys still have
Speaker 1: a job to do, so I don't want him to
Speaker 1: be the only scapegoat. Guys need to be held accountable
Speaker 1: to not handling their assignments as well. So just bad man,
Speaker 1: bad And in terms of the running game, I don't
Speaker 1: know why we are just not committing to that portion.
Speaker 8: Is frustrated me.
Speaker 1: Over the last probably five games now, they just have
Speaker 1: not whatever reason. They just said, all right, do you
Speaker 1: want to tell you? Yeah, we know you were top
Speaker 1: five for a while, but we're gonna throw this thing around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like they weren't getting stopped on the run.
Speaker 1: They just stopped giving it to him. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's frustrating, And I mentioned Kyle and the
Speaker 1: rest of the crew. You're going to be frustrated when
Speaker 1: you have expectations that are aren't met. And I didn't
Speaker 1: expect the Cowboys to win in this game. I just
Speaker 1: think that against larger, more physical teams, we just don't
Speaker 1: do well. So I did not have an expectation of
Speaker 1: a victory, but I expected a more competitive battle.
Speaker 6: And yeah, Shunnon Hummer's not off the hook on this
Speaker 6: one either. They got off to a fast start, which
Speaker 6: was great. Unfortunately you had like the holding penalty which
Speaker 6: ended up negating would have been Flinnoy's second touchdown. So
Speaker 6: for the most part, first couple of offensive drives, holding
Speaker 6: penalty notwithstanding, those guys were cooking. But then came it
Speaker 6: slowed down and in the second half it was just
Speaker 6: like a few of those calls, example being like fourth
Speaker 6: and inches while you did it off the Hunter lip
Speaker 6: key in that situation, Kyle tweeted, and I jumped right
Speaker 6: on that tweet. You're like, might as well QB sneaky
Speaker 6: in that might as well might as well as opposed
Speaker 6: to handing it back three or four yards to get
Speaker 6: three inches.
Speaker 1: I'll never understand, that says.
Speaker 6: But then there was another particular drive where you had
Speaker 6: two errant passes from Dak Prescott, which it looks like
Speaker 6: it was a miscommunication between him and the receiver. One
Speaker 6: went sailing way downfield down the right scene and the
Speaker 6: other was, yeah, I think it was too turping stopped. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what I mean, like there was a miscommunication there, a.
Speaker 8: Miscommunication turban Stock. He just didn't run roun.
Speaker 1: He just stopped running his route because Dak Prescott from
Speaker 1: again not understanding, not knowing, I this is me just speculating, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not knowing what throughout what that was called. But it
Speaker 1: looks as if he was responsible for taking the middle
Speaker 1: of the field open terp. It happens at times where
Speaker 1: receivers running their route and they're like, ah, I can't
Speaker 1: get past this guy, right.
Speaker 8: So they just throttle down.
Speaker 7: He's not throwing me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not throwing it to me, right because there's
Speaker 1: a guy right here. He's not throwing it to me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut my route down right now. Dak was like,
Speaker 1: you're cavarante freaking turpin. Yeah, get past this guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that from what I perceived, that was the miscommunication, Like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: why are you stopping like you're one of the fastest
Speaker 1: cats in the league, don't stop running.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that would track because in real time it was
Speaker 6: such such a broken play that you would think that
Speaker 6: Dak was assuming this route will be ran and the
Speaker 6: player did not run the route, which is basically what
Speaker 6: you're saying. But you're saying it wasn't because you don't
Speaker 6: believe it was because Cavante Turpin thought he was supposed
Speaker 6: to run and out. It was because Cavante Turpin. It's
Speaker 6: not coming to me. I'm shutting up, yep, which is horrible.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so the offense is not not excused from
Speaker 6: the loss at all when you only get seventeen points
Speaker 6: but fast start, slow finish, and the Cowboys defense just
Speaker 6: did what we felt the Cowboys defense was due.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, yeh, you're as the offense, you're not excused from
Speaker 3: seventeen points, especially when all seventeen come in the first
Speaker 3: half and.
Speaker 5: You didn't get exact the second half.
Speaker 3: So, and we talked about this numerous times on the show,
Speaker 3: is this is the twenty twenty five Dallas Cowboys when
Speaker 3: we look back on this season and remember how this unfolded,
Speaker 3: and what will stick out it's the fact that the
Speaker 3: offense had to be perfect, And to expect an offense
Speaker 3: to be perfect in the National Football League in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five is unrealistic.
Speaker 5: But they've had to be perfect, and they almost were
Speaker 5: in the first half.
Speaker 3: They scored on all three of their full possessions in
Speaker 3: the first half, except the only exception of the difference
Speaker 3: between the crazy fast start that the Chargers had and
Speaker 3: then the Cowboys offense had was the fact that they
Speaker 3: had a holding call and the field goal.
Speaker 5: That's the only difference in the entire first half.
Speaker 3: Touch a bunch, but you can't expect that to happen
Speaker 3: over four quarters. And when you're talking about consistency, you're
Speaker 3: talking about complimentary football, which I know fans get tired.
Speaker 5: Of hearing, but it's so true.
Speaker 7: It's what good teams do.
Speaker 3: That's what good teams do. I mean, look at what
Speaker 3: happened last night the Patriots. The Patriots, even when they
Speaker 3: were down, they had a special teams play then followed
Speaker 3: by a defensive play. Then the offense picked it up
Speaker 3: and Stephan Diggs had one hundred and thirty five hours.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why they're twelve and four. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's a part of this game right now is you
Speaker 3: have to have all three phases, and the Cowboys, for
Speaker 3: lack of a better term, don't have two of them.
Speaker 3: They don't have two of those phases playing at a
Speaker 3: high level right now, defense and special teams. I'll still
Speaker 3: contend even with the seventeen points on the board. I
Speaker 3: think the offense was fine except for the run game.
Speaker 3: I do agree with you there, and I think they
Speaker 3: went away a long run and they fell off, and
Speaker 3: I think part of that is they felt pressure, then
Speaker 3: they fell back into a corner. And whenever they fill
Speaker 3: backed into the corner, the default for Brian Schottenheimer as
Speaker 3: a play caller is throw the pill, throw it around.
Speaker 3: And that's where I feel like yesterday came into fruition.
Speaker 3: It looked like a team that had nothing to play for.
Speaker 3: It looked like a team that had been eliminated from
Speaker 3: playoff contention, which is something I did not expect. Even
Speaker 3: if you were eliminated going into that game as the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys, I still expected to see fight, and you
Speaker 3: saw it in sporadic points.
Speaker 8: I think you saw it for a half.
Speaker 3: It maybe for the half. I would contend that maybe
Speaker 3: from the offense subside for a half.
Speaker 7: But to kind of contend or just to compliment what
Speaker 7: you're saying about a team that is more physical than you,
Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys sort of gave up in that aspect.
Speaker 7: They warned that they were worn down. I don't want
Speaker 7: to say they gave up, but they were worn down.
Speaker 7: How physical the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Were, Well, it's and you make a point, and a
Speaker 1: good point.
Speaker 6: They did look like, for the most part, a team
Speaker 6: that had nothing to play for, unfortunately. But what makes
Speaker 6: that even more disconcerting is they're in this position because
Speaker 6: they had the same energy in Detroit against the Lions.
Speaker 6: When they had an opportunity to continue to apply pressure
Speaker 6: to the Philadelphia Eagles and really push this thing down
Speaker 6: to the wire, you showed up and basically laid down.
Speaker 1: So's it literally, like I hate to say that because
Speaker 1: I know it sounds terrible, but it has been consistent,
Speaker 1: not just this year, It's been consistent.
Speaker 7: That's our identity is it really has been.
Speaker 1: It really has been based upon the personnel that you
Speaker 1: have when you play team that's about that life and
Speaker 1: they're bigger than you, right, and they and they're willing
Speaker 1: to go toe to toe in the box all day long.
Speaker 8: You struggle.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to I want to do a little
Speaker 3: social experiment here off of that. Out of the losses
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys this year, was this a more physical
Speaker 3: football team than the Cowboys? Not necessarily in the game,
Speaker 3: but just think about the roster, right, Eagles, Yes, yeah
Speaker 3: for the most part. Yes, the first game, the Bears, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: this year. Absolutely, Panthers, Yes, they did that day.
Speaker 5: They were definitely that day. The Broncos.
Speaker 7: They didn't buckle up that game.
Speaker 8: Broncos, absolutely, absolutely the Broncos.
Speaker 3: The one I could probably contend would probably be the Cardinals,
Speaker 3: like they just aren't that good.
Speaker 5: They just kind of got you that day. Lions, Vikings they.
Speaker 7: Fitted off the line though the Cardinals did.
Speaker 1: Lions, Yeah, yes, Vikings, Yes, floor is.
Speaker 3: And I think the final three games you've been out
Speaker 3: physical by that football team.
Speaker 5: And it takes me back to what year.
Speaker 3: Was that twenty twenty two when Dallas maybe twenty one
Speaker 3: going into twenty two, Dallas felt like they got punked
Speaker 3: by San Francisco in that first playoff game and they
Speaker 3: got out physical by San Francisco Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5: And what did they do that offseason? They said, we're
Speaker 5: gonna revamp.
Speaker 3: How tough we are up front and their first round
Speaker 3: pick was Tyler Smith and that was a check the box.
Speaker 3: You got that one, right, So is that going to
Speaker 3: be the mantra this year.
Speaker 5: You've got some speed, you've got some skill, You've got
Speaker 5: some talent.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to retain a couple of guys that
Speaker 3: are in contract years. But for the most part, if
Speaker 3: you're going to attack something, you need to attack your
Speaker 3: physicality as a team because you just don't have that.
Speaker 7: Oh, you have so much finesse, you have the skill
Speaker 7: players that are in sight. I mean, you have a
Speaker 7: bowl of lucky charms without any milk to speak of,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. You gotta pour water in
Speaker 7: there like it's just it's flashy, but it's not. There's
Speaker 7: no depth, there's nothing behind it.
Speaker 6: I think the problem is is that you don't have
Speaker 6: the physicality at every position. So you brought in Kenny Clark,
Speaker 6: super physical monster of a man. You go and trade
Speaker 6: for Quinn Williams, superphysical monster of a man. So your
Speaker 6: defensive interior monster of a man. Physical your edges Nope, okay,
Speaker 6: and it's not even the notck to a guy like Easy.
Speaker 1: Easy is more of a finess guy.
Speaker 6: Like I said, they're trying to like said, they're trying
Speaker 6: to fit him as a demarkets Horns, but that he's not.
Speaker 8: In their mind. And this is my thought.
Speaker 1: I think that they believe that Sam Williams is going
Speaker 1: to be that guy for them. They did think so,
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 7: Maybe they thought about one thought.
Speaker 1: They thought so because he has that he has that mentality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just just doesn't right.
Speaker 6: So defensive interior, check and check super physical.
Speaker 1: Great, that's all for now. In the future, your edges
Speaker 1: not so much.
Speaker 6: Linebackers Nope, you don't have physicality at the linebacker court
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 1: Cornerbacks nope. I'll say ready, ready, ready, safety ready playing
Speaker 1: out position. And then speaking of your safeties, you got Donald.
Speaker 1: He's physical, but he's always been asked to do what
Speaker 1: her cover. He's asked to do, but it's not his
Speaker 1: strong point.
Speaker 6: So from a defensive side of the ball, the only
Speaker 6: physicality that you have that can out muscle an opposing
Speaker 6: team is your defensive interior.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: Your defensive line or defensive tackles. I should say, offensively speaking,
Speaker 6: you got to figure out your offensive line. You got
Speaker 6: to figure it out. You got Tyler Smith check that box.
Speaker 6: Outside of Tyler Booker, yeah, I like what you got too,
Speaker 6: super physical interior linemen. We'll see if BB can take
Speaker 6: the next thing, we'll see. But the two Tyler's Booker
Speaker 6: and Smith. Yes, outside of that, you don't see that
Speaker 6: from Terrence. Still on the consistent basis Tyler get needs
Speaker 6: to remain on the field. Nate Thomas and not having
Speaker 6: a good show in Cooper BB.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But my point being, they have too many spots.
Speaker 6: Where that we got dogs, horses that will punch you
Speaker 6: in the mouth. It's not enough of that at certain positions.
Speaker 6: And until you figure that out, you're gonna keep getting off.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because of the culture that they're
Speaker 1: trying to create here?
Speaker 8: Explain the locker room culture.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes when coaches and organizations are trying to get a.
Speaker 8: Team that is it's the best way of saying that some.
Speaker 1: You need, some goons, you need some guys that you
Speaker 1: need some guys that are like on the edge. You
Speaker 1: got to reel them in a little bit like maybe
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily always maybe they don't always.
Speaker 8: Fall on line right, Like every team needs those guys.
Speaker 8: Receiver you want to go, yeah, you got one a receiver.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying so, I wonder this is not an
Speaker 1: indictment on their actual physical being, but the mentality of
Speaker 1: the players that they're acquiring. Maybe they need to get
Speaker 1: some more edgy players because at the end of the day, physicality,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is mentality, the facts, absolute fact.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna end that segment there because I completely agree
Speaker 3: with you, and I think there's a lot of that
Speaker 3: going forward. There's a lot of blame being thrown around.
Speaker 3: It could go one way or the other, but I
Speaker 3: think everybody in the building has something to do with
Speaker 3: how this season, at different points in time, has come
Speaker 3: down to what it is now. And you're two games
Speaker 3: under five hundred, you're out of playoff picture, entirely, completely
Speaker 3: eliminated from contention with three games to go. There's a
Speaker 3: lot while you were going, I know, but you were
Speaker 3: out into your third game generally. So with all that
Speaker 3: being said, there's not just one person or one specific
Speaker 3: area that needs to have the blame. It's an organizational
Speaker 3: type of failure.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, wee all underachieved.
Speaker 3: That's exactly how it goes, all right, when we come back,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: You guys mentioned a couple different pieces there. Where do
Speaker 3: you start from what you saw yesterday? Because this is
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Speaker 5: about in the first segment there.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys have a four thousand yard passer yep two
Speaker 3: one thousand yard receivers Seedie Lamb and George Pickens and
Speaker 3: the one thousand yard rusher and Javonte Williams, and yet
Speaker 3: they were eliminated from playoff contention with three games to go.
Speaker 5: So all of that to be said, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to point to the defense. And
Speaker 3: everybody knows this. Everybody's watched this. If you've even listened
Speaker 3: to a smidgeon of talking Cowboys over the course of
Speaker 3: the season, you would know the defense has been abysmal.
Speaker 5: At different times, I thought he was gonna do it.
Speaker 5: You want it today?
Speaker 7: The defenserash.
Speaker 5: So I'm not as good at it. I don't think.
Speaker 3: Where do you start when we go into this offseason.
Speaker 3: We just talked about physicality, and I think that's that's
Speaker 3: a number one trait that you need. But I'm thinking
Speaker 3: more position groups here.
Speaker 5: Do you start in the secondary? Do you start in
Speaker 5: the passer? Uh, You've already revamped the interior, so I
Speaker 5: think you're set moving forward, unless do you want another
Speaker 5: dtackle Isaiah?
Speaker 8: Nope?
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so I got that out of the way.
Speaker 1: Now he's got three. I got two monsters making before. Yes,
Speaker 1: Sally's under contract next year too.
Speaker 8: That's good.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him recently, that's fair. But where do
Speaker 5: you start.
Speaker 6: I'm always going to be built front to back. You
Speaker 6: have your defensive tackle position solved. Solve your defensive end,
Speaker 6: I have to You have to get a pass rush.
Speaker 6: You have no choice because without the pass rush, just no.
Speaker 7: Just a question. If you're solving your defensive end, are
Speaker 7: you going to take a chance with one of your
Speaker 7: first round picks or are you going to attack free agency?
Speaker 1: I would like to attack free agency, but first I
Speaker 1: want to see who's available.
Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, right, and we can talk about there's
Speaker 3: one name that is going to be available.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't say, and you can't say yeah.
Speaker 3: But she's under contract this year and there was interest
Speaker 3: in him going into the trade deadline in this franchise.
Speaker 6: And I would say, even if you acquire that individual,
Speaker 6: you still attack it in the draft. You got two
Speaker 6: first round picks. So for me, my two first round
Speaker 6: picks are going to be on the defensive side of
Speaker 6: the ball. One is going to be defensive end, the
Speaker 6: other is going to be linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. Again, I'm building front
Speaker 1: to back.
Speaker 6: The marioon overshowing his back he's your centerpiece at the
Speaker 6: linebacker position. But you don't know if they're going to
Speaker 6: stick stick with theebrafluse. If they do stick with ebraflues,
Speaker 6: that's probably going to keep Marris Leafile still clamped.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: What does that mean for Lamar James? He's going to
Speaker 6: be more unleash. Does he take the step forward?
Speaker 1: Things like that?
Speaker 6: So the only player in the linebacker you that I'm
Speaker 6: confident with going forward and you still have to put
Speaker 6: an asterisk on that because he has to remain available,
Speaker 6: which is the Marion overshown. So I'm not overlooking linebacker.
Speaker 6: And I think Kyle, you posed this question a few
Speaker 6: weeks ago, two or three weeks ago, saying which positions
Speaker 6: do we want to address in the draft with the
Speaker 6: two first round Yeah, that was after the Mini buy. Yeah,
Speaker 6: defensive end and linebacker. Those are my two first round picks,
Speaker 6: regardless of what I do in free agency. But also,
Speaker 6: go get something in free agency? Where are you getting
Speaker 6: a corner from? So no, no, no, no, I get
Speaker 6: what he's saying, because the first thing popped in my mind.
Speaker 6: The first thing popped in my mind was Okay, well
Speaker 6: you need a corner. Yeah, but you know, what helps
Speaker 6: corners I cover. I don't disagree, however, is Sacks and
Speaker 6: Agreeb's running.
Speaker 1: For them for the.
Speaker 8: Who are your starting quarters next year?
Speaker 1: Oh know, you got to figure that out. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you have an answer.
Speaker 8: They don't even have one person.
Speaker 1: They don't don't have an answer. There's gonna be healthy
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs most likely won't be here, right you know
Speaker 1: who's your starters where they're gonna look, They're gonna look
Speaker 1: at some not like we haven't physical but he hasn't
Speaker 1: had a full off season.
Speaker 8: That's not And I'm just going off for what I
Speaker 8: can say right now.
Speaker 1: You're right, I don't have confidence in mind that he's
Speaker 1: going to be a starter yet, but you have to
Speaker 1: hope that he gets.
Speaker 8: The answer, gets back to what he was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get what you're saying, but the answer to
Speaker 6: your question has to also be answered through the perf
Speaker 6: of upstairs. So it's it's less about well, what would
Speaker 6: no Seed do? Okay, I know what No he would do?
Speaker 6: But I'm telling you that they're going to look at
Speaker 6: it as if one revel as a starter. Ron Black
Speaker 6: darn Bland is going to be back healthy.
Speaker 1: He is Black is going to be back healthy, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of go from there. So you're not wrong.
Speaker 6: I shouldn't even have to say it, but I'll say
Speaker 6: it anyway. You are in dire straits at cornerback, but
Speaker 6: you're also in dire straits at input.
Speaker 7: You could argue every position aside from but.
Speaker 6: If you if you build backwards to forward, you're still
Speaker 6: not pressuring the quarterback. You're still not getting linebackers who
Speaker 6: can have run fit correct run fits, so you're giving
Speaker 6: up yards on the ground as well. So then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: the corners are covering, but the windows are expanded and
Speaker 6: now they have to help and run support.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but then I go from
Speaker 1: your point. Then I say what positions are harder to acquire?
Speaker 7: Corner corner so like. But but then again, I wouldn't
Speaker 7: be sold on a from linebacker because I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know that I trust his team's evaluation of
Speaker 7: linebackers in the draft, and I think, granted you you
Speaker 7: you got overshown, Granted you have overshown, but there I mean, still,
Speaker 7: even when he has been out there over the last
Speaker 7: few weeks healthy, it hasn't been so excellent.
Speaker 6: Let's say this counterpoint to that is they actually scout
Speaker 6: linebackers really well and on day one and like day two,
Speaker 6: but they have their snake bit right, so it's the
Speaker 6: availability issue. So Leighton vandersh was a hit coming right
Speaker 6: out right, Sean Lee was a hit for a good
Speaker 6: bit of his career, but injury, so they can hit
Speaker 6: on an off ball linebacker.
Speaker 1: They drafted Michael so we're and ma right, and and
Speaker 1: to Mario on overshowing.
Speaker 6: So as far as scouting the ability of an off
Speaker 6: ball linebacker, they're actually really damn good at that. But
Speaker 6: they tend to be snake bitting and getting these extremely
Speaker 6: talented linebackers that then have availability issues.
Speaker 7: But isn't that part of evaluation, I think making sure
Speaker 7: these players are you can't available.
Speaker 6: The only one that was predictable, I hate to say
Speaker 6: it that way, but the only one that had the
Speaker 6: red flags that were inexcusable was l.
Speaker 1: V E and Smith Jalus Smith. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 6: They did get him back on the field, but so
Speaker 6: for the most part, and I won't excuse that because
Speaker 6: you know, lvy E had nick issues coming out of
Speaker 6: Boise State.
Speaker 1: You were the you know, the the medical team that
Speaker 1: injuries coming in. Yeah, so those two had those two
Speaker 1: issues coming in, and the moon Clark had issues coming in.
Speaker 3: Overshown had some injury flags at Texas too, did he Yeah.
Speaker 5: To the extent that you would think, because you can't predict,
Speaker 5: he definitely had some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. His is just a team is more. And I
Speaker 1: look at it from this perspective. If I don't, if
Speaker 1: I can't grab it in the draft, can I grab
Speaker 1: it in free agency? Or can I trade for it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Teams are less willing to trade really good corners. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're just not getting rid of them.
Speaker 7: Right, I think when you but if you are, you're
Speaker 7: paying a really high price.
Speaker 8: Oh he goes quarterback, offensive tackle, defensive in freaking corner.
Speaker 5: Look at the price that the Colts paid for Sas Gardner.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean not that Dallas would do anything like that
Speaker 3: to go get a corner, but just look at the
Speaker 3: price tag because even a step below that is still
Speaker 3: going to cost you. And I think if you're going
Speaker 3: to draft a linebacker, it's got to be a dude
Speaker 3: that you expect to be a two names part of
Speaker 3: your team for ten years. One of them Jacob Rodriguez
Speaker 3: at Texas Tech.
Speaker 6: Three names, Okay, okay, so you got you got one,
Speaker 6: Sonny one, and ce J Allen is the other. Those
Speaker 6: are three guys that I would use a first round
Speaker 6: pick on. And I think because you have two first
Speaker 6: round picks and I've seen you have success in hell cornerback.
Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about cornerback before the latest Tradlon.
Speaker 6: Let's not have recency bias. So we know everything's going
Speaker 6: on with Trevlon Diggs. He's not been playing up to
Speaker 6: the level, injury, etcetera, etcetera. But isn't he a second
Speaker 6: round pick? So I say that to say you would
Speaker 6: like to believe that you could find all these a
Speaker 6: lottery picks. You never know, But if you found Trevon
Speaker 6: Diggs in the second round, then you can find another Trayvon.
Speaker 5: You don't have a second round pick, That's right, you don't.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying you. You don't have any room
Speaker 5: to operate when it comes to your first two round picks.
Speaker 5: That's great. I love the fact that they have two
Speaker 5: first round picks, but you don't have a second.
Speaker 7: But they have to hit, and you got you gotta
Speaker 7: hit both of them. Both of them have to be
Speaker 7: both have to be Day one.
Speaker 6: Start off, las your remind of me, we don't have
Speaker 6: a second round pick, So get a second round pick.
Speaker 5: How would you do it?
Speaker 6: Package something? You're going to get some does it look
Speaker 6: like right now in terms of where you're gonna get.
Speaker 6: You're gonna get some compicks that you can package. You
Speaker 6: take those and maybe you're throwing something from twenty seven.
Speaker 5: Your comp picks aren't gonna get your back in.
Speaker 1: No, no second package package.
Speaker 5: Who are you packaging?
Speaker 1: Who? I didn't say who? I'm just who are you
Speaker 1: thinking about?
Speaker 3: That's what it's going to take. You don't have the
Speaker 3: draft capital said no, you can draft. You can go
Speaker 3: back if you wanted to trade your first round one
Speaker 3: of your two first rounds to go back.
Speaker 1: Pull from the future is what I'm saying. Pull from
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 3: Right now, the Cowboys are sitting at thirteenth overall with
Speaker 3: their pick, and then green Bay with their most recent loss.
Speaker 3: They are projected to link in the wild wild card round.
Speaker 3: They would be twenty.
Speaker 1: One thirteen to twenty one thirteen in projection.
Speaker 3: Projection because green Bay is going to make the playoffs
Speaker 3: more than likely and if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Where they end up is going to determine.
Speaker 1: How you're and I'm.
Speaker 6: I would not be upset at one of those picks
Speaker 6: being in cornerback. Let me be clear, I would not
Speaker 6: be upset at it. But if you ask me to choose,
Speaker 6: I need a pass rush, especially somebody opposite as Roku.
Speaker 3: You also don't have a third round pick, by the way,
Speaker 3: I forgot to say, yeah, no, day two picks periods good.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a long day for us in the studio.
Speaker 1: Unless you start from twenty seven to twenty eight.
Speaker 6: But I need somebody to complement Ezraku so that you
Speaker 6: can take Zraku out of that DeMarcus Lawrence fit and
Speaker 6: get him back to a DeMarcus where and I need
Speaker 6: I need linebacker core solved, and then you know, look
Speaker 6: at the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: But I just I can't build front to back. I can't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm back to front. I can't build front
Speaker 6: the back. My brain just doesn't. My football brain doesn't
Speaker 6: work that way.
Speaker 7: But I mean, all of that being said, uh, what
Speaker 7: we've kind of speculated about too, is that you may
Speaker 7: have one of those picks go to another yet another
Speaker 7: offensive Lineman.
Speaker 1: Maybe, so we talked about that.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that when we come back. I want
Speaker 3: to go back to the offensive side, because of course
Speaker 3: they are not without blaming the thirty four to seventeen
Speaker 3: loss to the Los Angeles Chargers. What went wrong on
Speaker 3: the offensive side and why was it the offensive line?
Speaker 3: When we come back with more talking Cowboys right after.
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Speaker 3: with Patrick NOSEI Walker, josh Rod Regaez, h Isaiah stand Back,
Speaker 3: Chrispyam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of craziness in the chat today. I'm just kind of monitoring,
Speaker 3: just kind of no, no, it's fine. I think it's fine,
Speaker 3: and everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But I did
Speaker 3: see this really good question and it does play into
Speaker 3: what was going to go into this break, So I
Speaker 3: want to give credit where credit is due, Dalton asked.
Speaker 3: He said, do you believe Brian Schottenheimer has evolved as
Speaker 3: a play caller as.
Speaker 5: The season has gone on.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like he's evolved in his play calling, because,
Speaker 3: like we said, going into the break, got to talk
Speaker 3: about the offense. We'll get to the offensive line in
Speaker 3: a minute. But I just saw that question.
Speaker 5: I think it's too good to pass.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think he's evolved as a play caller.
Speaker 7: I think he is a really good coach. I think
Speaker 7: he's a good leader. But for me, time and time again,
Speaker 7: you've been in situations we just talked about at the
Speaker 7: top of the show where he's gotten away from the
Speaker 7: running game, which was kind of his mo from his
Speaker 7: coaching days previous to the Dallas Cowboys and then including
Speaker 7: last year, even though you know he said he was
Speaker 7: butting heads with McCarthy as far as running the ball.
Speaker 7: But you've seen it time and time again where they've
Speaker 7: kind of leaned back on the run game, which is
Speaker 7: unfortunate because the run game looks so good at times,
Speaker 7: there's just not a lot of balance there. And I've
Speaker 7: been very critical of red zone situations where he just
Speaker 7: leans on the passing game a little too much. And
Speaker 7: it just basically is, you know, it's not hard for
Speaker 7: the opposing defense to identify what Dallas is going to
Speaker 7: do in the red zone. If we know what they're
Speaker 7: going to do in the red zone, it's gonna be
Speaker 7: a play action pass and say you know, like you
Speaker 7: just know, yeah, it's gonna be a bootleg. You know
Speaker 7: exactly what he's gonna do. I feel like there's not
Speaker 7: a lot of I don't want to say lack of creativity.
Speaker 7: I don't think he's been put in situations enough to
Speaker 7: where he can get in a groove offensive.
Speaker 1: I have a theory. First of all, let me say this,
Speaker 1: shouts out to my niece Deem. She is watching.
Speaker 6: The kids are out of school right now, so the kids,
Speaker 6: my nieces and nephews, they don't.
Speaker 1: Often get to watch talking Cowboys cool.
Speaker 6: And my wife just told me that my niece dim
Speaker 6: is back in Atlanta watching the show. So it shouts
Speaker 6: out absolutely at now it's my Paddycake.
Speaker 1: I love my Patty Cake.
Speaker 8: But my theory is.
Speaker 6: Follow the chronology here. Okay, the Cowboy offense was high
Speaker 6: powered for several weeks. Yes, it was at a certain
Speaker 6: point when the defense. When they realized that the defense
Speaker 6: was just abysmal, one of the or the worst in
Speaker 6: the league.
Speaker 1: Say trash.
Speaker 6: That's when Brian Schottenheimer began spending more time with the
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator in meetings. Right, My theory is, and from
Speaker 6: that point forward the offense looked a bit disjointed over
Speaker 6: what it was weeks prior. My working theory is that
Speaker 6: once the offensive coordinator, who also wears the heat of
Speaker 6: head coach, had to then become the principal to what
Speaker 6: was going on in the back of the class, it
Speaker 6: took away from what happened with the offensive side. I
Speaker 6: say that to say, I wonder and something that we
Speaker 6: never have an answer.
Speaker 8: He was torn between being a head coach and the offense.
Speaker 6: I wonder if him being being forced to be the
Speaker 6: head coach as far as checking in constantly and having
Speaker 6: these extra meetings with their defensive coordinator to get that
Speaker 6: side of the ball correct, if it cost the explosiveness
Speaker 6: on the offensive side of the ball. So I agree,
Speaker 6: I don't think he evolved as a play caller, But
Speaker 6: I personally, I don't think he evolved as a play
Speaker 6: caller because he had to constantly keep going into the
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator's classroom and standing there, we all remember, we've
Speaker 6: all been in class before, and we've had some disruptive classes.
Speaker 6: Sometimes we've been the culprit of said disruptive class. And
Speaker 6: then you have like the vice principal or the principal
Speaker 6: don't mind me, Yeah, just come and stand at the
Speaker 6: door and just monetor it well while the.
Speaker 3: Pun announcement wanting to show presence, and while they're shore
Speaker 3: and while they're showing presence, that's taking away time from
Speaker 3: something else that they could and should be doing.
Speaker 7: Right, working theory, it is, and that's what happens when
Speaker 7: you're a head coach.
Speaker 6: So here's here's the thing though, Right, if you have
Speaker 6: a defensive coordinator that you can holly trust to handle everything,
Speaker 6: and your defense is playing as it should be playing,
Speaker 6: you don't need to go.
Speaker 1: In that room.
Speaker 6: You can continue to focus on the offensive side of
Speaker 6: the ball. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Well, you're the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. You're
Speaker 7: overseeing all things. Yep, maybe that's just a part of
Speaker 7: the gig.
Speaker 6: So you know, it is a luxury, but it's a
Speaker 6: part of the conversation that needs to be had on
Speaker 6: if you're going to move on from Mattiebraflues well, because
Speaker 6: if it's taking away from the evolution of the offense
Speaker 6: and now it's a double whammy.
Speaker 3: Two things there, one as a head coach, and I'm
Speaker 3: interested to hear your thoughts on this, Isaiah. If you're
Speaker 3: a head coach, you got to oversee everybody, which is
Speaker 3: why it's important to have solid coordinator hires. One of
Speaker 3: them has already been talked about in Matt Eberflus. At
Speaker 3: what point, I don't think you're talking about job security
Speaker 3: or anything with Clayton Adams, but one thing that he
Speaker 3: was brought in to do was to revamp your offensive
Speaker 3: line that hasn't necessarily played to fruition, mostly because of
Speaker 3: health or whatever you want I want to chalk it
Speaker 3: up to. At some point as the head coach, you
Speaker 3: need to have confidence and trust in your guys in
Speaker 3: Clayton Adams, Matt Eberflus, Nick Sorenson, and it doesn't feel
Speaker 3: like there's that cohesion that you anticipated going in.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 6: I would say this real quickly. I'm gonna throw but
Speaker 6: this real quick. Someone in chat said me saying, stating
Speaker 6: the obvious of him. Spending time on the defensive side
Speaker 6: of the ball is an excuse, No, it's not. If
Speaker 6: you're supposed to be cooking dinner and the kids are
Speaker 6: acting up in the background, and you constantly have to
Speaker 6: go checking on the kids, if that causes you to
Speaker 6: accidentally burn dinner, it's not an excuse, it's a reason.
Speaker 6: There's a difference between an excuse and a reason.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Uh, So, we had this discussion where we're talking about
Speaker 1: potential head coaches, and I personally I am not necessarily
Speaker 1: the biggest fan of coaches that are in charge of
Speaker 1: the offense or the defense. I come from the cloth
Speaker 1: where I believe that they should be fully aware and
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and maybe even capable of calling plays on either
Speaker 1: or side. But I don't think that they should be
Speaker 1: calling plays on that side.
Speaker 8: Reason.
Speaker 1: This is being an example as to why, because some
Speaker 1: of the more successful teams that I've personally been on,
Speaker 1: those coaches were.
Speaker 8: Leaders of men. That was their primary job.
Speaker 1: The head coach was the leader of men, capable of
Speaker 1: calling plays, but have somebody in position to call the place. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I can go to the offensive meeting rooms. I can
Speaker 1: go to the special teams meaning room, I can go
Speaker 1: to the defensive meeting rooms and I can. I can,
Speaker 1: I could, I could sit back and I could look,
Speaker 1: I can I can observe, and I can take notes,
Speaker 1: and I could be aware of the discussions that are
Speaker 1: taking place, so I don't have to go off of hearsay.
Speaker 8: When I'm in a position where I am.
Speaker 1: In charge of one unit, I have to now pull
Speaker 1: double duty and I cannot fully be invested in anything
Speaker 1: that's outside of the fact that I have to be
Speaker 1: responsible for calling plays. I don't know what you're talking
Speaker 1: about on the defensive side, Kyle, because I'm going off
Speaker 1: of what you're telling me, or I'm going off what
Speaker 1: the players are communicating to me.
Speaker 3: I don't truly need as many meetings and as many
Speaker 3: communications as you can have from one person to the
Speaker 3: next among the entire staff.
Speaker 5: It's still not going to be the same as you
Speaker 5: seeing it.
Speaker 7: Yourself, unless unless you have a defensive coordinator that you
Speaker 7: can trust wholeheart, agreed with one.
Speaker 8: Which is a luxury exactly. Which is a luxury, and
Speaker 8: it's not an expectation, it's a luxury.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, So I mean again, it is what it is, right,
Speaker 1: Shoty calls the plays offensively and he's a head coach.
Speaker 1: So yes, he got pulled away from I don't want
Speaker 1: to say got pulled away from it. He had the
Speaker 1: responsibility and it was necessary for him to start overseeing
Speaker 1: what was going on in those defensive meeting rooms because
Speaker 1: of the lack of productivity. Now, did it pull him away, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what happens. There's only so much of a
Speaker 1: piece of a pie.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: You can't just have a whole pie on offense when
Speaker 1: you got somebody over here that to eat too, right,
Speaker 1: So I have to go spend some time over here,
Speaker 1: and that's going to take away from that exactly. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't to mean that still is not an excuse
Speaker 1: as to why this offense didn't that offense still stay
Speaker 1: the course, right, they put up numbers. Let's not let's
Speaker 1: not act like this we're disappointed, just talked about it
Speaker 1: thing these guys. Yes, let's not. Let's not act like
Speaker 1: these guys didn't do amazing things with shoddy even splitting
Speaker 1: duties that.
Speaker 7: They weren't perfect the entire sites.
Speaker 1: There's certain things that I'm sure that he's going to
Speaker 1: go back and evaluate and want to criticize and change
Speaker 1: about his play calling, the red zone, running the ball,
Speaker 1: the commitments are running the ball, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I am almost certain that he took it, takes it
Speaker 1: as a personal challenge that for two to three weeks
Speaker 1: George Piggins went away because of the double teams.
Speaker 8: Well, whose responsibility is that?
Speaker 1: As coaches responsibility don't allow him to be in a
Speaker 1: position where he can get double team So that's a challenge, right,
Speaker 1: And I believe that Coachhatti is of the mindset where
Speaker 1: he's going to go back be analytical about it. Watch
Speaker 1: his film, like dang, I have to be better here
Speaker 1: to make sure that my guys can't get double teamed.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the question was at the beginning of the segment,
Speaker 3: do you feel like he's evolved as a play call evolution?
Speaker 1: No, I think that he became more predictable as the
Speaker 1: year went on for what reason, I don't know. But again,
Speaker 1: I don't foresee him going back to back years with
Speaker 1: that same issue.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think he's that type of coach where he will
Speaker 1: go back and be like, ah, I have to be
Speaker 1: better here because it's not the players. George didn't fall out,
Speaker 1: He didn't start dropping balls. CD dropped balls early on
Speaker 1: and he figured it out right. Jervonte Williams didn't start
Speaker 1: fumbling all of a sudden, right, It was just we
Speaker 1: didn't commit to the run and I allowed my guys
Speaker 1: to be double teamed.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we didn't come right on four down. Well,
Speaker 5: we've already talked to what was that.
Speaker 7: What's your thought on that. Did he evolve as a
Speaker 7: play caller?
Speaker 5: No, but I also don't know if it was entirely
Speaker 5: on him.
Speaker 3: We just talked about the way that the defense hindered
Speaker 3: some of that growth and how that happened, and then
Speaker 3: the offensive line too. There were times where I feel
Speaker 3: like Shody's play calling was conservative to protect himself from
Speaker 3: the offense of B line not playing well there, and
Speaker 3: there were times.
Speaker 8: Where you have to make adjustment. They had to.
Speaker 3: They were able to grip it and rip it early
Speaker 3: in the season because you were confident that the five
Speaker 3: guys up front were going to block for Dak Prescott
Speaker 3: long enough to where they could have a play develop
Speaker 3: and they could have the scheme start playing into it.
Speaker 3: So no, I don't think he did about or evolve.
Speaker 3: But I also think there were outside factors in this
Speaker 3: whole thing that contributed to that.
Speaker 8: But he was still dominant. Let's not.
Speaker 1: Let's not just because evolution means that your any question
Speaker 1: was he was still dominant. Yes, as a play caller.
Speaker 5: Let's give him one of the best offenses in football.
Speaker 8: One of the best offenses in football.
Speaker 1: But you can't have the disparity from being one of
Speaker 1: the best offenses in arguably the best the worst defense.
Speaker 3: That just means your men, Yeah, that's where they are.
Speaker 3: Two games under five hundred at this point. Appreciate you
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