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Speaker 1: heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Cowboy Nation, and welcome to the Taj Mahal

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Speaker 3: of Football inside of the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 3: I'm Heck Maharrison alongside the Super Bowl champion Everson Walls

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Speaker 3: and Mickey spag Nola. Guys, before I get started with

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Speaker 3: this show, I wanted to make sure that I opened

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Speaker 3: the floor.

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Speaker 2: On yesterday. The Dallas Cowboys had a tremendous loss.

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Speaker 4: D D.

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Speaker 2: Lewis died yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And I know you guys know him well, So Mickey,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to start with you.

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Speaker 2: Any remarks about the man you know well.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't here when he was playing. I guess you

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Speaker 5: got one year in with him before he retired. I

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Speaker 5: got to know him a little bit through bumping into

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Speaker 5: him interviews later on. As a matter of fact, he

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Speaker 5: went to Mississippi State and when I was working in Jackson, Mississippi.

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Speaker 5: One of my good friends had followed his career there,

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Speaker 5: so I heard a lot of DeeDee Lewis stories through

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Speaker 5: him after I got the job here. But you know,

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Speaker 5: we see all the stats about him and everything, and

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Speaker 5: that's all fine and good and we'll get into that.

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Speaker 5: But he was sort of a jokester, and he was

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Speaker 5: just this gregarious guy right that played football. And I remember, man,

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Speaker 5: it might have been ten years ago, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: we were doing an interview and I.

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Speaker 6: Was talking about the off season.

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Speaker 5: I asked him if he had a part time job,

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Speaker 5: because a lot of those guys back then needed to

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Speaker 5: do it, because yeah, they were getting to supplement their income, right,

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Speaker 5: And he goes, no, No, I didn't have it. I said, so,

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Speaker 5: what what did you do in the off season to

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Speaker 5: prepare for training camp?

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Speaker 6: D D goes, I got in the pool every day

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Speaker 6: and did sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Ounce curls that fell flat when I did it on

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Speaker 5: the fan here.

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Speaker 6: But he was talking about cans of beer.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: He said, oh, he was lifting one powder. I'm going

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Speaker 6: come on, give me a break. And that was that.

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Speaker 2: Was That was D. D.

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Speaker 7: Lewis, Right with D d D was a long standing

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Speaker 7: relic from a defense that no one wants to hear

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Speaker 7: about right now, and that's the Tom Landry flex defense,

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Speaker 7: a very unique defense in said Tom Landry came up

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Speaker 7: with because Jim Brown was running all over the entire NFL.

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Speaker 7: I think it may have been the NFC at the time.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they Cleveland was yeah, yeah, it wasn't

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Speaker 7: the NFL yet, you know, that's when they had the

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Speaker 7: AFL NFL, and Jim Brown was so tough. Tom Landry,

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Speaker 7: being the genius that he was, came up with a

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Speaker 7: defense where I can't remember the middle linebacker's name, but

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Speaker 7: whoever that middle linebacker was for the Cowboys, they wanted

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Speaker 7: to make sure that he met Jim Brown in the hole.

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Speaker 7: Just as if you're blocking for a running back. So

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Speaker 7: just like the running back and find the hole the line.

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Speaker 7: The middle linebacker is going to find that hole whatever

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Speaker 7: Jim Brown or any good running back is going to

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Speaker 7: try and crease that hole. And so here comes Tom

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Speaker 7: Landry with this unorthodox, very awkward looking defense that was

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Speaker 7: able to be somewhat effective. Again all running backs, Well,

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Speaker 7: the bottom the other side of that is your cornerbacks

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Speaker 7: are going to be left out to dry. Guys, sorry

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Speaker 7: about that, and your free safety is going to be

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Speaker 7: part of the force of the running game. And D.

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Speaker 7: D Lewis was one of those linebackers that you looked

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Speaker 7: at him, you said, you know, he doesn't look at

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Speaker 7: impressive physically, but he knew the flex defense. Back and forth,

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Speaker 7: young guys come in here. We got the guy from

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Speaker 7: from Boston College. Can't say his name, but he's you know,

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Speaker 7: aa acc ac acc sorry, defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 7: He would come in and have all these accolades, and

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Speaker 7: he looked good. And D D with his with his

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Speaker 7: twelve ounce curls, He's gonna come in and take that

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Speaker 7: job because I don't care how athletic you are. You

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Speaker 7: didn't need athleticism necessarily to be a good linebacker in

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Speaker 7: the flex defense. That's why when Thomas Henderson came, he

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Speaker 7: had the leticism and the knowledge of the flex defense.

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Speaker 7: That's what made me so good. That's one of the

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Speaker 7: reasons the Cowboys made the playoffs a super Bowl against

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Speaker 7: the Pittsburgh Steelers. All I'm saying is D. D. Lewis

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Speaker 7: is a long standing out out. To call him a

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Speaker 7: relic is no disrespect. He was part of a defense

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Speaker 7: that no one is going to try and run anymore

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Speaker 7: because of the stress that it puts on your secondary.

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Speaker 2: But d D.

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Speaker 7: Lewis fought off many wonderful linebackers. It was a Brown

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Speaker 7: from Houston. He's a fast linebacker from Houston, and he

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Speaker 7: comes in here. He can't play the flex, so d

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Speaker 7: D just comes Sasha in back in DD is your

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Speaker 7: job again. So he hung on because he had the

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Speaker 7: intellect to play the defense that Tom Landry invented himself.

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Speaker 5: I don't think people realize he played thirteen years and

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Speaker 5: I saw all the stats about you know, how many

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Speaker 5: playoff games he played in, and I thought the most

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Speaker 5: impressive one was he started one hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 5: consecutive games, and back then that was a difficult thing

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Speaker 6: And I know he's not in the Ring of Honor,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he did get selected to the College Football

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: He was the SEC Player.

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Speaker 5: Of the Year that his last year, right Player of

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Speaker 5: the Year in defense, and then the Mississippi Sports Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame too.

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Speaker 7: Well, like once again, Tom Landry. Tom Landry doesn't like

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Speaker 7: playing with dumb asses. It just doesn't. And that's why D. D.

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Speaker 7: Lewis was able to play as long as he did,

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Speaker 7: because you had to as a linebacker, you had to

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Speaker 7: play with your intellect with the flex defense, that's just

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Speaker 7: it worked and how it works for you and for

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine him going through life being named Dwight Douglas.

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Speaker 7: He didn't look like so far perfect, perfect for him.

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Speaker 7: He will be missed.

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Speaker 6: His parents must have been.

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Speaker 5: Big people on US generals right from the war the White.

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Speaker 7: I could you know when you see him, if he

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Speaker 7: you know, felt as comfortable as I don't know what.

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Speaker 7: From the moment I met him. He always felt like

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Speaker 2: All groups, you know guys.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I wasn't alive during the times of the seventies

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Speaker 3: cowboys that were dominating during that time, But you know,

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Speaker 3: when when I can definitely recall my love of the game,

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Speaker 3: coming from my grandfather and always watching NFL films with

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Speaker 3: him and them going back and seeing those teams when

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Speaker 3: TV was going from black and white to color, seeing

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Speaker 3: the Texas Stateium and just from my fundest memories growing

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Speaker 3: up watching the Cowboys and that old nostalgia from the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys and Bob Lily, you know.

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Speaker 2: Texas, the shadows of Texas.

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Speaker 3: Stadium, you know, the gods watching all of those things,

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Speaker 3: those games and seeing those tough guys that men absolutely

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Speaker 7: But we won't allow them to do that now because

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Speaker 7: they're worth so much more money now, Yes, and so

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Speaker 7: that's a whole other thing, you know.

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Speaker 8: And d d.

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Speaker 3: Lewis with those you know, the way his elbow pass

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Speaker 3: his big ol' shoulder pads, and you know those times

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Speaker 3: You know, they're around the same age, late seventies, early

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Speaker 3: eighties and these are the guys that were the titans

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Speaker 3: of this game that we love so much. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I've had opportunities to hall uh be be a part

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Speaker 3: of some some really incredible things where I'm m seeing

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Speaker 3: and you know, and male blunts in the studio and

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Speaker 3: motor scooter and I'm thinking to myself, he was a

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Speaker 3: bad mask. You know, he's a bad man school but today,

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Speaker 3: but today's the today's football enthusiasts and fans when they

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Speaker 3: hear about a man like this passing because they can't

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Speaker 3: relate directly to who he was, they don't understand the

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's important that us as

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's what we'll be doing.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought it up.

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Speaker 5: And that's what are two linebackers in three weeks?

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Speaker 7: Yes, Leroy Jordan M.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough you know, tough times, tough times

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Speaker 3: you're gonna need to have a showing against the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 3: And how about this, how about this, This is a

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Speaker 3: We'll start, We'll start with that when we come back

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Speaker 7: But God, he's out there pacing around right now. He's

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Speaker 3: But this week you have a challenge with the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 3: The Chicago Bears have a wide receiver Rome a Doonzy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously it's a it was a huge problem. Uh,

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Speaker 5: And it was pretty obvious. And you know, and I

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Speaker 7: you play a team sport. Diggs not being out there

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Speaker 7: Whatever Diggs has been doing or not doing, that linebacker

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Speaker 7: That's I'm not worried about the first down. Oh we coach,

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Speaker 7: I had him inside. No, we need you to have

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Speaker 7: him deepen inside because that's where the danger is. So, yes, Diggs,

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Speaker 3: They still haven't haven't said that, but ever since I

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Speaker 7: Played zone was because we didn't have any cornerbacks.

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Speaker 5: See that's what everybody doesn't figure out in that game.

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Speaker 5: So the Calvary's coming over the hill. But the hill

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Speaker 7: Well no, no, you got you were headed there. You

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Speaker 7: automatically think I better play more zone, right, That would

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Speaker 7: be my reaction as a coach. I can't put these

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Speaker 7: I mean man to man is in the fire zone.

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Speaker 7: You have help, we have a clost you play too.

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Speaker 7: That is your strength is the zone itself. I would

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Speaker 7: I don't think I've ever heard of that before. But

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Speaker 7: playing man to man is totally different. You play zone.

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Speaker 7: In my mind, I'm thinking I got a guy coming

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Speaker 7: All I got to do is keep leverage on the.

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Speaker 7: Because on the top it's gonna be over the top.

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Speaker 7: When it came to Diggs, where I could see that

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Speaker 7: You don't have those wheels yet, and you should know

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Speaker 6: And there was some man they were playing there that.

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Speaker 5: And he got beats, I think I think zayre.

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Speaker 3: I got to ask you about Caleb Williams. I see

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Speaker 5: I thought the offensive line doesn't help him out too much,

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Speaker 5: He's only completed sixty two point four percent of his passes.

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Speaker 5: site was covering the Bears and they were talking about

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Speaker 5: can Caleb Williams find the tight end? To me, a

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Speaker 5: young quarterback, the biggest problem you have is finding learning

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Speaker 5: to find the tight end because now you've got to

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Speaker 5: look down the middle.

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Speaker 7: Right, that's your safety. Plus that's right, the safety's on

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Speaker 7: right there right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you gotta be you got to know where

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Speaker 6: that guy's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be.

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Speaker 7: He's your outlet.

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Speaker 5: I can throw the out because I know where my

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Speaker 5: wide receiver is or a deep ball, but can I

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Speaker 5: find the stuff going on in the middle? And I

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Speaker 5: think young quarterbacks have to figure that out quick Well.

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Speaker 7: I think as much as they're having problems with the

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Speaker 7: offensive line, they should make him prioritize that. Not that

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Speaker 7: he could find him, make sure he's the number one

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Speaker 7: option on that particular play. If you want me to

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Speaker 7: get to the tight end, call a play where I

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Speaker 7: go directly to the tight end instead of making him

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Speaker 7: my second or third read.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I wanted to bring up

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Speaker 3: to you and him being a young quarterback is the

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Speaker 3: fact that he lacks a running game. Also, how many

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Speaker 3: rookie or young quarterbacks that you've seen coming to the

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Speaker 3: league that don't have a running game to support what

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Speaker 3: they want to do Right now? DeAndre Swift, if you

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Speaker 3: guys remember DeAndre Swift, the old Detroit running back.

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Speaker 2: He was from Georgia, right, I believe so.

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Speaker 3: But he was traded from the Lions to the Bears

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Speaker 3: before even Ben Johnson got there. So Ben Johnson, as

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Speaker 3: much of an offensive genius as he is, probably doesn't

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Speaker 3: have all of his pieces yet either. But that offensive

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Speaker 3: line isn't doing them anything.

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Speaker 7: I was just wondering, is that the they haven't do

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Speaker 7: have injuries on the offensive line to where that can

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Speaker 7: be a major problem. Because when you think about Chicago,

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Speaker 7: you think about towding that rock. You go all the

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Speaker 7: way back to Pyton, you think about towding that Rock.

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Speaker 7: What's the guy from Baylor back in the day. You're

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Speaker 7: too young, but you know, I mean playing against him

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Speaker 7: as well running backs in Chicago. That's the way it goes.

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Speaker 7: So shut up his name, Gayl. Something I couldn't remember

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Speaker 7: when you talked about you got to have an offensive

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Speaker 7: line that can that can help them toete that rock

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Speaker 7: and that's gonna take a lot of pressure off of

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Speaker 7: off of Caleb. I haven't seen him with that luxury

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Speaker 7: yet in his entire career, and that's what three years,

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Speaker 7: two years, two years. I haven't seen him have that

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Speaker 7: kind of that that kind of assistance yet, and it

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Speaker 7: just makes him look average and he is not an

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Speaker 7: average quarterback at all. He's got the tools. That's why

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Speaker 7: everyone catered to him coming out. Everyone was ready for

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Speaker 7: this to explode. And right now all I see coming

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Speaker 7: from him is frustration.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're exactly right, and think about this.

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Speaker 5: I didn't I forgot last year, right because I read

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Speaker 5: something that the Bears had lost twelve of the last

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Speaker 5: thirteen games. Yes, putting these so last year, think they

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Speaker 5: had a ten game losing streak and they broke it

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Speaker 5: in the final game of the year. Because the Packers

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Speaker 5: didn't play any of their guys, and they beat the Packers.

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Speaker 5: I think it was twenty twenty four to twenty two.

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Speaker 5: But that was their only win. And even after they fired.

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Speaker 6: Eberflus, they continued to lose.

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Speaker 5: Right, but during that ten game losing streak, five games

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Speaker 5: they lost by three points, one point, three points, three

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Speaker 5: points in three.

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Speaker 2: Point Wow, man breakers, heartbreakers.

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Speaker 5: So they worked that far off right, And there's got

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Speaker 5: to be a reason that I see the line is

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Speaker 5: like they're favored by a point and a half.

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Speaker 6: It's weird, which I yeah, that's weird. They got beat fifty.

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Speaker 5: Two to one, and now they're favored to win a

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Speaker 5: game against US.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's still a pointing to Half's.

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Speaker 6: Might point now, but what's the difference?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 3: So this offensive line, when you look at it, I

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Speaker 3: mean the talent on it is fifth round, third round guys.

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Speaker 3: The only first round that they have is Darnelle right

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Speaker 3: from Tennessee. He was twenty twenty three, is a top

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Speaker 3: ten pick. So that maybe again that's the horror show

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Speaker 3: for them trying to figure out how to get protection

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Speaker 3: for him. On the other side, for our defensive line, Look,

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Speaker 3: they for two weeks straight have done a pretty good

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Speaker 3: job of stopping the run, and you have to commit

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Speaker 3: to that now in a game like.

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Speaker 2: This or the the week that you've already been through.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 11: Do you tell yourself coming into this all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: we can stop the run all we want to, but

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Speaker 11: let's not give up half a thousand to Caleb Williams

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Speaker 11: in this office game makes me so nervous?

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Speaker 6: Do you realize that?

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Speaker 5: And I had to do research to figure out why.

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Speaker 5: In the first game, but the two quarterbacks playing the

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Speaker 5: Bears these first two games, they both were NFC Offensive

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Speaker 5: Players of the Week, and I go JJ McCarthy was

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Speaker 5: the offensive player of the week. Well, he had a

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Speaker 5: phenomenal fourth quarters right to beat him. And it was

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Speaker 5: some stat about coming back from ten point on the

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Speaker 5: Roans since Steve Young, and I'm going Steve Young and

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Speaker 5: it was nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 6: Well it was a rookie year at Tampa bent right.

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Speaker 3: What an ugly game that was though? That that the

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Speaker 3: Chicago Minnesota game, and yes it was one. In the

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Speaker 3: first drive, Chicago goes down and scores and everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson has arrived and everything after that, I mean

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Speaker 3: I think they had at one point a ten point

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Speaker 3: lead in that game, but JJ McCarthy late came back

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Speaker 3: and sealed the deal for them. It's not even any

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Speaker 3: use in watching the Detroit Lions tape, yeah, because they

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Speaker 3: just got Doge.

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Speaker 7: Do you learn anything from what Ben Johnson was had

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Speaker 7: scripted for Caleb versus the rest of the game, how

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Speaker 7: the rest of the.

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Speaker 5: Guiname might had improvised? Yes, or the plays did if.

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Speaker 7: Those plays were he went all the way down, if

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Speaker 7: I'm not mistaken. He didn't miss no.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but they weren't throwing the ball down the field.

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Speaker 5: It was all little dump offs out to the edges.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: If you can't expose the middle of the field as

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Speaker 6: a quarterback, your toast.

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Speaker 7: That was whenever Cowboys are not successful, that's always Steve.

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Speaker 5: Steve Walsh won a national championship at Miami, But when

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Speaker 5: he got to the NFL, the thing you noticed was

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Speaker 5: he's great on the outs, but he couldn't.

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Speaker 6: Expose the middle.

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Speaker 7: And he had the weakest arm I've ever seen.

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Speaker 6: And you know, and when he got I was a teammate.

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Speaker 5: I was there when he when he got the Bears

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Speaker 5: into not the Saints into the playoffs that year, and

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Speaker 5: they got into the playoff game and I could see

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Speaker 5: what the what the defense was doing. It's like, you're

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Speaker 5: not throwing the ball on the edges to me, You're

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Speaker 5: gonna have to beat me in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 6: And he couldn't do it. And that was his kind

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Speaker 6: of downfall.

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Speaker 7: I mean, so, guys, we've been here before. It was

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Speaker 7: like a week ago. Hey guys, we got him, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, yeah, Rus they can't do this coming in here,

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Speaker 6: crutch it.

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Speaker 7: It's got to break give us pause, right, yeah, a

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Speaker 7: little bit that. And and we're on the road as

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Speaker 7: opposed to being at home. You can forget if we

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Speaker 7: play that game on the road unless Dak is that

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Speaker 7: that person that can rally those troops better than last year.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm still nervous. Yeah, I'm still nervous. I

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Speaker 7: don't think anything's in the bag. I think it's arroganson

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Speaker 7: on our part to think going into that game that

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Speaker 7: we can just handle them like everyone else did. We

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Speaker 7: just don't do that. Yeah, we always do the opposite.

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Speaker 3: So this kid, Kayler Williams, I can tell you, especially

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Speaker 3: in that second half of that Minnesota game and even

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Speaker 3: in the Detroit game. His problem is he wants to

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Speaker 3: put his cape on and save the day. And he

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Speaker 3: may have been able to get away with that at USC,

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Speaker 3: may have been able to get away with that at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: It's just not going to work for him in the league.

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Speaker 3: And until he learns that, he's going to be in

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Speaker 3: that perpetual state of what you were talking about sixty

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Speaker 3: two or sixty one percent or whether or that is,

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Speaker 3: and it ain't gonna ever look good for him. But

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Speaker 3: he has an offensive coordinator right now, Ben Johnson. The

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Speaker 3: plays that he's drawing up, if they could get the protection, dude,

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Speaker 3: take our second break and come back and talk about

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Speaker 2: be faster. Did we did that? We were talking about

660
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: the line before we went to break.

661
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 4: In, and it was it the offensive line or the

662
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: defensive No, no, no, we.

663
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: Were talking about the Vegas line, which has changed and

664
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: Chris Beams said that it is now Cowboys point and

665
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: a half, which is a far craft from where it

666
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: started on Monday.

667
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 5: So the Bears, I noticed, have problems with cornerbacks. Imagine

668
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 5: that Cowboys.

669
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: They already the Cowboys, So how does that affect the life?

670
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Right?

671
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 6: But there's a same thing injuries, right.

672
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: They already said that Jalen Johnson with a groin did

673
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: not practice yesterday and he's going to be out. Well,

674
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 5: the other two corners that did not practice or Jayalen

675
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 5: Jones one of the backups, and Kyler Gordon, their nickel guy,

676
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 5: has injury. And so the Sean Wright's probably gonna play

677
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: in this game, right, and the Cowboys better target him

678
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: with the first pass of the game.

679
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 6: I guarantee you that.

680
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: This is a case of pin the tail on the

681
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 5: do So, so they've got they've got some problems in

682
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 5: the secondary right now. And we're talking to secondary that

683
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: was part of a defense that gave up fifty two

684
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 5: points last week.

685
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 2: So Bill, you're back.

686
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: You were just doing interviewing UH coach Brian Schottenheimer and

687
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: we asked the question, did you learn anything.

688
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: No, he's not going to give out anything. He thought

689
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: I was Tom Brady. He's not going to tell Tom

690
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: Brady anything like that.

691
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 7: He's getting in the mode.

692
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: He's getting into the coach speak mode.

693
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 7: Yeah.

694
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Right, he didn't give you any of the trick plays

695
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: or what Dack's going to because I want to tell

696
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: you right now because the.

697
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: Trick plays are coming on from the other side. Is

698
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: that is that whereas Johnson is where the trick plays

699
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: are so and.

700
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 6: He said he won't tell Tom Brady anything.

701
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: I don't blame don't.

702
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, no one's talking to Tom.

703
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: So you guys got to tell me the rules here.

704
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: I heard you say something about you can't something about

705
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: the kickers off limits for your picks on Fridays, something

706
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: about Micah.

707
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: What was that used to be? Mike?

708
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 7: Okay, facts every week?

709
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it was too easy.

710
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tell you right, I'm taking dak on Friday,

711
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: So don't take no you can Okay.

712
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 7: I have to be off limits too if you.

713
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: Go on now take you while you can't.

714
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: All right, well, I got that.

715
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you right now, just because he's got

716
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: he's leading the third ranked offense national football right.

717
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: I will say this about the Bears giving up the

718
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: fifty two points from the Lions and just watching I

719
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: went and watched the entire game again last night and

720
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: and really consumed it last night, the Bears Lions game,

721
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: and that head coach for the Bears could have kept

722
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 4: that score down. There were a couple of instances where

723
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: he goes forward on fourth down at midfield, and one

724
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: of them was a fourth and five at the field

725
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 4: and the game was already getting away from him, and

726
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: they didn't. It was incomplete made no sense, yeah, exactly.

727
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: And there was a fourth and one and a half

728
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: earlier in quarterback sneak. They didn't get it, and so

729
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 4: you're giving the Lions a short field and so now

730
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: it might it might have been thirty eight points instead

731
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: of fifty two points.

732
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 6: Going was he trying to out Dan Campbell?

733
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 5: Dan?

734
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: I think fourth down?

735
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just in his DNA.

736
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: And so that's one thing as far as to look

737
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: for in this game, is he is the you know,

738
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: riverboat gambler, just like Dan Campbell was, and they can

739
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: work to the Cowboys advantage if they can, if they

740
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: can stop them on fourth that I.

741
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 7: Mean, when you see a matchup like that, the ingredients

742
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 7: are totally different. There's a lot of revenge stuff going on.

743
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 7: You know, somebody trying to prove something to somebody else,

744
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 7: or I'm glad that guy left because now I can

745
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 7: show them I'm glad I went with this guy so

746
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 7: I can show him up. All of that emotion that

747
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 7: went into that game. I don't think you can judge

748
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 7: a game like that unless they're playing each other. I

749
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 7: don't think you. I don't think you're going to get

750
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 7: the same negative energy from the Bears going into the

751
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 7: Detroit game that's coming into this game. I think they

752
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 7: would probably be a little bit more poised in there.

753
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 5: Well, they got to play Eberlus Yeah yeah, wow, maybe

754
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: maybe as long as he maybe carried away and maybe, Okay,

755
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 5: I'm going to go in and show them. All I

756
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 5: know is Jared Goff had a one fifty six quarterback

757
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: rating insane. One fifty eight point three is perfect. He

758
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 5: had one fifty six.

759
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 7: He missed that.

760
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: Last year he completed eighty two percent of his passes

761
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: had five touchdown passes. The only reason he did he

762
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 5: wasn't perfect is he only average eleven point nine yards

763
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: per attempt. If you average twelve point three yards per attempt,

764
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: that's considered perfect.

765
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 7: You do remember the game last year where he yeah

766
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 7: pretty much did that.

767
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and.

768
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 7: He was higher than whether it was it higher than

769
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 7: the eating from last.

770
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 6: Week that was he couldn't have gotten much higher he got.

771
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 7: I think he did it.

772
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: Turns out, turns out it wasn't his offensive coordinator. It

773
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: costs to be that good because the offensive last year's

774
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator for the Lions is now the head.

775
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 7: You gotta know this. That showed me type of thing.

776
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 7: I'm going to show you this, I'm gonna it was.

777
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 7: I thought it was a very emotional game for them,

778
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 7: and sometimes emotion can take you the wrong way, and

779
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 7: it didn't work out at all.

780
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: It was emotional for the Lions, especially coming off a

781
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: loss in Week one, that's true.

782
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: And so I got to ask you about those emotions

783
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: because ebra Flus going back to Chicago that has to

784
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: be emotionally charged for him, and you, as a former

785
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: Cowboy player going to the Giants what was that experience

786
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: like for you coming back?

787
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: That's why I know what I'm talking about. That's why exactly,

788
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: because you know that's that's one of those games where

789
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 7: you know you gotta be careful on how much emotion

790
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 7: you put into it to still stick to the script.

791
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 7: I can't go off script because this is something personal

792
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 7: for me. I still have to play my cover too,

793
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 7: that Belichick taught me. I still have to wait on

794
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 7: LT to give me that pressure so I can make

795
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 7: some plays and I can't worry about trying to shut

796
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: down Michael Irvin on a personal tip when I could

797
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 7: just sit out there and play my game, play a

798
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 7: team game, and do what exactly what we came there

799
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 7: to do, which is what that butt.

800
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 5: And Iberflus was asked that exact question, and he basically said,

801
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: you got to keep the process in the preparation the same.

802
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 5: Can't get over it you sorried about Okay, I'm gonna

803
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: do this, this and this right we're gonna start blitzing.

804
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: Is that from his pressures availability just moments ago?

805
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 7: Yes, okay.

806
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 4: And he also has asked, what does Matt ebra This

807
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: is a tweet from Todd Archer, what does Matt Ibraflus

808
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 4: think the reaction to his return the soldier field will

809
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: be this week.

810
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: Oh, I didn't hear that one is quote.

811
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about it.

812
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 7: That's a lie.

813
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: That's that's why I looked at it.

814
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 7: So that's a lot.

815
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: I'd better be prepared to get booed out here.

816
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: He won't get introduced, that's probably.

817
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't introduce the defensive.

818
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: By the way though, on that topic of he you know,

819
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: and he will never reveal that he has any motivation, right, yeah,

820
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: going back there. But the way he was let go

821
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: by the Bears was not right. Remember it was the

822
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 4: Friday after the Thanksgiving Day game. That was uh, it

823
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: was ridiculous how that ended. And they made him he

824
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 4: did a zoom media availability on Friday morning. They made

825
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: him do that zoom media availability and then they fired.

826
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 7: Him after Why does management always do that. I don't

827
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 7: care what the job is. I don't care what the

828
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 7: job is. They fire you at the end of the day.

829
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: Man, guys get fired before they get on the plane

830
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 5: to leave, you know what I'm saying.

831
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 7: But you got guys like man, I walk a whole day,

832
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 7: but you knew you were gonna fire me. You could

833
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 7: have fired me yesterday.

834
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: After when I went on they lost to Detroit twenty

835
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: three to twenty and he hit time ran out. He

836
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 5: had a time out in his back pocket, is I remember?

837
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 4: And Caleb DS and time management issues himself, the quarterback

838
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 4: did and.

839
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 7: That has not changed. He still had.

840
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: It's so weird, man, going back to that draft with

841
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: Chicago getting Caleb Williams and the hope for the franchise

842
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: and the head coach, it just seemed to go right.

843
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 5: I've lived their whole existence at quarterback right just right.

844
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Out the window so fast.

845
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 6: You got to go back to quickly. Yes, you got

846
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 6: to go back to Billy Waye laime. They had a

847
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 6: quality quarterback.

848
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: Rex Grossman got him to the super Bowl.

849
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 6: Well yeah, maybe got there despite him.

850
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: What would do if I had a quarterback here that

851
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 4: got him to the super Bowl?

852
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: What by give him a parade?

853
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 6: The Bears and quarterbacks? That's all I gotta say.

854
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: No, man, it hadn't been long, you know what.

855
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: The biggest difference so watching that Bears Lions game, to me, uh,

856
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: just on the surface, the biggest lot of take tour

857
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 4: and we got some distractable people there. Heck, man, I

858
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: are keeping our focus.

859
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 6: We're waving today.

860
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: I can't remember what I was.

861
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 6: Yeahle too.

862
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: But the offensive line, I mean, Caleb he is getting

863
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: he's under duress and and the other part of it

864
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: is he's not a veteran quarterback, so he doesn't know

865
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 4: what he's looking at and you know, he can move

866
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: around and avoid.

867
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: Some of that.

868
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 7: You know, this ruin can ruin him. I mean that

869
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 7: can that kind of consistent inconsistencies, It can really ruin

870
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 7: a player's career. Yeah, you come out with all this

871
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 7: talent and now you don't really know how to use

872
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 7: it until you find the right system or coach that

873
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 7: can can can relay that to you. So I don't

874
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 7: know whether disconnect is coming. They just need to get

875
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 7: better people around him, or do they have to have

876
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 7: better coaches around him.

877
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: It's so weird when you look at a player like

878
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville who has struggled mightily, but yet

879
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: and still the organization is on board, staying, you know,

880
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: supporting him, whereas Caleb in two years, it's like, Hey,

881
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: either this year or next year, are you going to

882
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Speaker 3: find yourself on the bench for those same issues that

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Speaker 3: you're talking about, you know, just being reckless and careless

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Speaker 3: with the ball.

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Speaker 5: The first of being the first pick in the draft,

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Speaker 5: because you've got to produce immediately.

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Speaker 4: Then usually you don't have a team around you.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So then my question is young Caroline Bryce Young, Right.

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Speaker 3: Which player would you take if you could take Caleb

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Speaker 3: Williams or Trevor Lawrence? Which which player would you take

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Speaker 3: just based off of their performance?

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Speaker 7: Don't I don't if you're talking about who do you

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Speaker 7: take with this Chicago team, don't think.

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Speaker 2: It matters who would you grade higher? Which which just

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Speaker 2: based off.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's put it this way.

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Speaker 7: Let's put it this way.

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Speaker 4: If Jaden Daniels went to the Bears number one overall

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Speaker 4: last year and Caleb Williams went to Washington, how would

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Speaker 4: their stories be reading right now?

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Speaker 7: It would be different. I do think it would be different.

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Speaker 7: Just the supporting staff is better off support coaching staff.

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Speaker 7: But the supporting staff. You guys might know more about

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Speaker 7: the coaching staff, But I mean, as far as the

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Speaker 7: players are concerned, it's better players I think in Washington.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, yeah, although don't you think the Bears first

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Speaker 5: play is DJ Moore going deep?

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Speaker 4: I think you know what their first play was last

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Speaker 4: week against Detroit. But they lined up Caleb Williams at

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Speaker 4: wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yes they did, Yes they did.

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Speaker 4: It was DeAndre Swift.

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Speaker 7: Why they got they got a genius coach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well the genius coach.

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Speaker 2: Use the chat g BT by.

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Speaker 6: You or I bring back my suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable Bill, you want to you want to say this

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Speaker 2: out of here?

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Speaker 8: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Wait, I got one more so when I get these, uh,

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Speaker 5: the rosters from the other teams, I look at the

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Speaker 5: coaching staff, see if I saw any names that I recognized?

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Speaker 5: Hal Harris, how about Ken Norton the third?

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Speaker 7: Wow? The third?

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Speaker 6: The third? Really Ken Norton Junior's son, Junior Jr. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 6: Ken Norton the third.

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Speaker 7: Did he play ball?

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Speaker 4: We'll have that for you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I can't google that fast enough.

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Speaker 5: He was doing something in l A with I think

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Speaker 5: movies or something like that, and now he's now in

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Speaker 5: the coaching See.

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Speaker 7: That's the damn good question.

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Speaker 2: Is really confused the whole.

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Speaker 4: Thing with the answer, And we'll have the answer for you.

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Speaker 4: Every home will have the answer for you tomorrow at

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Speaker 4: noon on mix shots.

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