1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: We are so diverse that there's no way that you 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: can just say or I don't like black girls, like 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: we're too diverse for that. There's too many, there's so 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: many looks, there's too many types of too many skin types, 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: to many body types, too many hair types. And that's 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: why I'm always like, we really are the standard of 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: beauty UM. And it's just been unfortunate that, like this 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: entire time, we've been trying to get an industry to 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: love us back um in the way that we see ourselves, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: and and they just they don't pay. That's Andrea Lewis 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: talking about Black beauty evolution. You're really going to enjoy 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: this episode of Naked Guys. Sit back, relax. I don't 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: necessarily know. If you need a pin and paper, you 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: probably already know what she will share with us. But 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: it's just a reminder, especially for my black women, you 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: are beautiful. It's the greatest, and the same can make you. 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: Chepi and the car Chapions a champion. They carry Champion 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: chap they ca Chapion. On today's podcast, I decided to 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: talk to someone who can speak to black beauty. Andrea 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: Lewis is a filmmaker and an actress, and she has 21 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: shared her story about the evolution of black beauty. Now, 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: the reason why this is important is because for black women, 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to my sisters, so brothers, pay attention. 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: Our beauty is frequently associated with our hair, our skin, 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: and our makeup. How we are showing up in the 26 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: world is so complex because if we show up as 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: our quote unquote natural selves, we feel like their shame 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: or some sort of um disrespect associated with it. It's conscious, 29 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: it's some conscious, it's bias, it's not bias. I have 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: an example not too long ago, a friend of mine 31 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: named dom Lemon Don Lemon of CNN called me up 32 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and said, Hey, Carrie, I want to do um. The 33 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama story where she talks about how she wanted 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: to wear her natural hair when she first got into office. 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: The first black first Lady wanted to wear her natural hair, 36 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and she said she didn't do that because she believed 37 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: the administration would be distracted if she wore her natural hair. 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: I need you all to think about that, and you 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: can google the story Michelle Obama. Queen Michelle says she 40 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: didn't wear her natural hair because she knew it was 41 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: too much for America, and she didn't feel like dealing 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: with that while dealing with being the first black first 43 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: lady and her husband being the first black president of 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the United States of America. Imagine how something as simple 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: as wearing your hair naturally would be distracting in a 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: country that hasn't seen it before. It says two things 47 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: to me. Michelle has bought into what she already knows 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: is true. In corporate America, we can't really fully show 49 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: up as our full selves, at least aesthetically, not even personally. 50 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: We cannot. But she knew that it would be a distraction. 51 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: Do you all remember when President Barack Obama, I believe 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: on I think it was Easter Sunday, wore a tan 53 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: suit and it was all the news. It was such 54 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: a faux paw on the news. The biggest scandal that 55 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the very first black president of the United States had 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: was wearing a tan suit on Easter. That to me 57 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: was arguably the biggest scandal. No one's even talking about 58 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he captured Osama bin Laden who cares? 59 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: But this is who wore a tan suit on Easter? 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: How dare he? So? This is why Andrea Lewis is 61 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: important for us. She has a docuseries that is available, 62 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: three part docu series. It's about black skin, about black 63 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: makeup and a black hair and the premises. We set 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the trends, we decide what's beautiful. We show up as ourselves. 65 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: We understand that there are all types of black beauty, 66 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: from sizes and shapes and colors and different hairstyles. We 67 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: are the standard, but then it's co opted and taken 68 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: away when someone who doesn't look like us, i e. A. 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian who loves to wear black braids, um decides 70 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: it's the thing and all the rage, and then all 71 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: of sudden the mainstream magazines pick up on it. Then 72 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: it becomes popular and the thing to do. But we've 73 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: been doing it since the beginning of time. Take it 74 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: back to our ancestors in Africa. We've been wearing braids 75 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: and beats. Kim has not introduced that to mainstream society. 76 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: We've been doing it. It's just now being acknowledged when 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: someone who doesn't look like us decides to wear it. 78 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: So we get into that why is that the case? 79 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: Why can't we be seen and more importantly, why can't 80 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: we be nerd? For what? We've already created as Black 81 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Women Black Beauty Evolution again. It is a docuseeries that 82 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: delves deep into who we are and why we are 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: so beautiful. And I'm grateful for Andrea Lewis who decided 84 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: to make sure the world new it's on wax right now. 85 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this podcast. First and foremost, thank 86 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on Naked. I try to 87 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: I try to get people on the show that I'm 88 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: a fan of our admire or I love the work 89 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: that they're doing. Um, that is living in their authenticity. UM. 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: I do believe that you are living in your authenticity. 91 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: You're true to who you are. But the beauty of 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: it is is I'm all about promoting who we are 93 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: as as brown women and celebrating all of us and 94 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: every way we look, how we perform, how we show up, 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: all the different facets of us, because we're so complex, 96 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: and how we show up in the world. As I'd 97 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: like to know and and to the very very beginning, yea, 98 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: where you grew up and and and why I asked 99 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: that is because it speaks to the influences in your 100 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: life and who shaped you or who shapes Yeah. No, well, 101 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: I I grew up in Toronto, Canada. Um, my parents 102 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: are both from the West Indies, so I grew up 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: I was saying, like a traditional West Indian home. Um, 104 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: meaning like my Caribbean culture was the front um, even 105 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: though I was growing up in Canada and not always around. Um, 106 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: A lot of black people are a lot of people 107 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: that look like me, at least where I grew up, 108 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: because there are Canada is very diverse, um, but where 109 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: I grew up it wasn't always that diverse. And so 110 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: but that like my my influence was very much Caribbean 111 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: culture and uh and just women of color or people 112 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: of color overall and um. And then I would also 113 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: say because Toronto is like a very interesting city where 114 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: it's placed, you know, Canada on the holds, like we're 115 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: right above the US. And so in Toronto specifically, you 116 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: get a lot of influence from like all the states 117 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: that kind of border border it. So like Buffalo, like 118 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: you'll get the Buffalo radio stations, You'll get like Detroit 119 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: radio stations, you get like all of this stuff constantly. 120 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: So like a lot of the media that I grew 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: up with was like Tienne Tamara or like the parenthood 122 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: or Um like Hanging was m the Cooper Like it 123 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: was like all these shows that kind of made me 124 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: feel like they were in the same world as me, 125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: even though I may have been in a different country. 126 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: So it's like these were all the influences that kind 127 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: of like raised me overall. Two things everyone I meet 128 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: from Canada, I swear, is like the nicest person ever. 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I've said this over before Melanie Fiona interview during the podcasts, 130 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: like everyone is just so sweet from and I've been 131 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: there obviously ye never, I was like, yea from the 132 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: most wart We're just great people. Like you know, over 133 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: the years, I've worttioned different local media markets and when 134 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: I never work with someone from Canada, they just so 135 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: dagon kind, which I feel like Chipper and Go all 136 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the time. You said you don't think so well, I know, 137 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I think that I think Canada has maybe a maybe 138 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: just a general relaxed culture, which is what kind of 139 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: creates like the kind person that people are meeting. Because 140 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: I experienced that, I definitely do think that, like I 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: think it's kind of our thing. But I always am 142 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: like why what is it? What is it? And it's like, like, 143 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: for instance, I'm in the South right now, and I 144 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: find everybody's really friendly here and it reminds me of 145 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: being in candidates, like everybody's like, excuse me, and don't 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: you worry and come on elect Like it's like I'm 147 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: in Canada right now. Yeah, no, yes, ma'am, No, ma'am, 148 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: don't worry. You need somebody coming to my house, I'll 149 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: feed you. Yeah, absolutely well. I'm born and raise in 150 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: l A and I'm whenever when you're too friendly, I'm like, 151 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? But I I completely get to see. 152 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I've lived in l A for close to fifteen years, 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: so I like really understand l A and like l 154 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: A culture, l A people, Like I've had enough experience 155 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: now living in l A where I've met like actual 156 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: people from Los Angeles because you know, it's where where Yeah, 157 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: they're everyone's a transplant. The born and raised are rare. 158 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: We're rare, there's not. Yeah. But but the thing is, 159 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I think if you really do l A right, you 160 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: will meet real l A natives. You will actually meet 161 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: l A locals. You will enjoy meeting people that are 162 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: from l A and not just be one of those 163 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: people that's like, oh, I moved to l A. And 164 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: everybody I know is like from the Midwest. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, 165 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm from I'm up the street girl, 166 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm down the street. I'm up to street. You um, 167 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: you said, we's West Indies. Caribbean culture, how is that different? 168 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: How is that different from from our culture? From black culture? Yeah, 169 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: like you're black, but you are from the Caribbean, right, 170 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: So what's the well, you know what there's I'll say this, 171 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: I think all the differences are small in all of them, 172 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: from like you know, African culture, African American culture, Caribbean culture, 173 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: even after Latino culture. I think they have a lot 174 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: of similarities and like slight slight differences And it really begins, 175 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: honestly with just the uh, with the food, and really 176 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: it's really the food of the land that's the real 177 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: true differences. Like you know, like in Caribbean culture, you 178 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: have plants. In in African culture, you also have it. 179 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: In afric Latino culture you also have it. But in 180 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: African American culture you might not have it. But that's 181 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: just because it's like yeah, no, you're in America, so 182 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: they're not getting access to the same thing. But I 183 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: think in terms of like what the true differences are. 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I rarely see them. I think we all 185 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: have the same stuff. I think it's like we all 186 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: react to music very similarly. We all have like a 187 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: very uh certain standard in which we like to live 188 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: in terms of our homes, in terms of our culture, 189 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: of terms of like uh, we like to gather in 190 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: a certain way. I think Black people like gathering in 191 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: a very similar way. Um. I think time is very 192 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: similar in Black culture. No matter what part of the 193 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: world you are from, Like what does that mean? Like 194 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows, Like like people like to say 195 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: it is like, oh, you know, Caribbean time, but I'm like, 196 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: it's Black time. It's okay, okay. Overall, we know when 197 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: something's going to start. We know if somebody says two o'clock, 198 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: they really mean five that. Like we just we just 199 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: know these things like this, yeah exactly, You're not gonna 200 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: be there in ten minutes. Like those parts of us, 201 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I think um are across the diaspora. Even Like from 202 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: a beauty standpoint, I'm like, we've all done the same 203 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: things with our hair. We've all like it doesn't matter 204 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: what part of the world you are from, Like we 205 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: all have the same ritual, like we all have to 206 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: like cream our skin, like our skin is very important 207 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: to us. You're like, you're not going out of the 208 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: house dry, it does not matter where you were from. 209 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: You can. Women aren't. But yeah, yeah, women are. But 210 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: the men are putting out fires with their elbows and toes. 211 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: So I think that's just men being men because I honestly, 212 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: well I can have I have real memories of like 213 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: my brother when I was a little girl, like putting 214 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: on too much faciline on his face, like you know, 215 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: like just overdoing it, like my mom saying we have 216 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: to do it, and he's now like shiny, like it's 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: too much on his face. But I think as as 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: men grow up, as it get older, they're like, you know, 219 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: it just doesn't stop doing it. But they know the 220 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: rules were there for them the same way it was 221 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: for us for all of us, and we just took 222 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: it on. That's all. Well, you lead me to the 223 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: best part of it. So you you create the series 224 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: about black beauty, black culture in collaboration with some of 225 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I think the icons of black beauty rightly um in 226 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: terms of makeup and skin and what we look like. 227 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: How we present what we wear. I am curious as 228 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: to the inception, the genesis of this project, how did 229 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: it all come about. I just truthfully, my life and 230 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: my career have brought me to an intersection where I 231 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: think it was just a story that was going to 232 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: come out of me, regardless of of when or how what. 233 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: I grew up in film and television, so I uniquely 234 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: had to see more people do my makeup than the 235 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: average person, um from a young age, like when I 236 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: think about even my girlfriends or anything like that. Like 237 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: I've been sitting in a makeup chair forever and seeing makeup, 238 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, like seeing somebody's kits as a little girl, 239 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: as a little black girl on a set and being like, oh, 240 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: are they gonna have any colors from me? Like do 241 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: they have the right shade here? Or seeing them struggle, 242 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: or seeing like the like coming onto a set and somebody, Oh, 243 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: you don't gotta do anything. We don't want to do 244 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: anything to you. You're good, but don't want to do 245 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: anything to you. And I know, in hindsight somebody might think, 246 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: what's the problem with that? The problem with that is 247 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: because they really don't have anything for us. That's that's 248 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: the passive way of being like, oh, I'm not really 249 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: ready for her. So she's great, she grape her hair 250 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: looks great, everything's great, and I know I don't. Yeah, okay, 251 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: So you after a while just kind of adapt. You 252 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: become more prepared, as in every actress I know comes 253 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: to set with like their potential hairstyle, Like listen, there's 254 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: nobody does anything to me. I at least know the 255 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: way I've showed up. I can be on camera like 256 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: this because you have so many experiences where people don't 257 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: want to really do anything. And I got to see 258 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: all of that pretty much my whole life. But then 259 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: at the exact same time, like I said, like I 260 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: consumed a lot of media growing up, like I really 261 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: sought after images of people that look like me. Like 262 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: it was like constant, like from like from when I 263 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: was like very little. I remember like a Silia Cruz 264 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: was on Sesame Street. I remember being like, who is 265 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: this woman, this brown woman with this big smile and 266 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: big personality. Who is this? So I was always kind 267 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: of looking for those type some things and like holding 268 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: onto them and and treating them as like this trophy, 269 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: like oh I can look like this, like despite what 270 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: maybe mainstream media is telling me despite the lack of product, 271 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: the lack of this lack of that, Well, here's an example. 272 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: Let me just focus my attention right here. So just 273 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: being like I said, in the kind of the media space, 274 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: and then also kind of going into the digital space 275 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: just as a creative, just being like, I'm gonna do 276 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: stuff online like everybody else. Because and you start to 277 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: see these women make like these tutorials and they're doing 278 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: these makeup tutorials, and they're doing these hair tutorials and 279 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: they're doing this stuff that you're like, wait, I didn't 280 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: know what product is that? Like what is this thing? 281 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: And like I've never seen this before, and it's naturally 282 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: inspiring you. It's inspiring you within your life, it's inspiring 283 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: you when you go onto set. It's inspiring everything year 284 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: seeing it. Like I can remember seeing like on Scandal, 285 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: Uh I think they had a scene and it was 286 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: like one of the lawyers had like natural hair and 287 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, like a lawyer, well 288 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: natural hair, Like what is happening right now? Like that 289 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: would never have been and that was to me a 290 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: direct result of women online doing that. Okay, can I 291 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: say something. Yeah, it's gotta have so much to say 292 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: about that. As a woman on television, I've been on 293 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: television in my entire life, Like I've had a job. 294 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: I've always been a reporter, and we as women or 295 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: broadcast journalists. When we as women black women on air 296 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: have always especially when you're on the elements, you know, 297 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: our our look can be questionable. There are women you're 298 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: just like, oh gosh, she get her hair together. When 299 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: I first got the job at ESPN, I was very 300 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: very precise in particular about my look very bad, and 301 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: I remember people being like, you're one of the first, 302 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: and that just wasn't true, but that's what they thought, 303 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: like unless I was your movie star, right, movie star 304 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: is always gonna look good, right yeah? Yeah, long is 305 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: gonna look at my Nona Gabby. They won't be put 306 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: together on TV. But the the the average Joe who's 307 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: not an actress such as yourself, so on television is 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: going to struggle because it's not there. So I will 309 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: work at this facility and they've had it's been open 310 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy nine and I come in twelve and 311 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: they have no one who can do black hair. Very 312 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: few people do black makeup, and I'm like, well, what 313 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: have y'all been doing this whole time? Robbers was here 314 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: before I got here, and the nineties, you're not doing 315 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: black skin and black hair. No, So when you talk 316 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: about what we look like and how unusual it is 317 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: to have natural hair, I almost disagree because during my 318 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: mom's time, she talks about how afros were a thing 319 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: and times and they didn't remember the transition right like 320 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: because they completely were the blackest beautiful movement was happening 321 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: civil Rights time, like black is beautiful. That was like 322 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the feel like us as a culture kind of being like, 323 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, like I can look like this. 324 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: Like even from my own mom, like all she knows 325 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: is natural hair. She never knew a concept of like 326 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: straightening her hair. She's just like all I know is 327 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: just kind of wearing it in its natural form because 328 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: she's like a woman of the seventies. She's like, that's 329 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: always how I wanted to wear my hair. That's always 330 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: how I thought my hair looked best. And so that's 331 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: her kind of influence. When I think about my time 332 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: in terms of growing up, I'm like most of the 333 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: actors is on TV other hair straight most of the 334 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: black women on TV, but for the most part wore 335 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: their hair straight. And so there was a transition that 336 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: kind of happened from that Black is Beautiful movement and 337 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: the seventies and the and like the Civil rights and 338 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: all this time when like, yes, people were like do 339 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: your thing with your hair, Cecily Tyson wearing Gravey, Like, 340 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: there was a transition that really happened that kind of 341 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: changed the way we looked at ourselves. That kind of 342 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: changed the concept of professionalism and like being on TV 343 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: as a black person and like what you were supposed 344 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: to look like and or what was like deemed acceptable, 345 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: like and it's a it's a bunch of things like 346 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: relax is becoming more popular things like that that just 347 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: kind of like change our our overall identity. Because I'm like, 348 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: when I was growing up one like to see television. 349 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: I can think of a handful of people I'm like, 350 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: I I say, this is within our dog and like 351 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: this was my real experience. Like Tian Tamara wore their 352 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: hair curly because they were like in school. But then 353 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: when they were like going to college and they were 354 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: like growing up, their hair was straight. They were like, 355 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: now I'm silky strange. Why do you what do you 356 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: think that is? What do you think that is? When 357 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: you become more aware of your place in society and 358 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: and even quite frankly, your platform, why does it force 359 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: you to become a Barbie doll? I think that's just 360 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: what we've been fed. That that's the more acceptable, that 361 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: that's uh, that that's going to translate better, that that's 362 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: gonna up more. I think that's what we've been taught. 363 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: I think it's something that a lot of us have 364 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: to unlearn um of, like what beauty looks like on us, 365 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: or why we even think certain things look better on 366 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: us than other looks um Like even like I was 367 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: on a show called Degrassi for a long time, and 368 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: it's like I have naturally curly hair. While I was 369 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: on de Grassy, I did not wear my hair curly 370 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: for the most part ward straight. And I've had so 371 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: many people in the years since like, how can we 372 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: never wear hair curly on the show? And honestly, it 373 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: was not even a thought. It was like not even 374 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: a thought in my mind to show up to set 375 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: with my hair curly, Like they barely had the idea 376 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: of what to do with my hair when it was straight, 377 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: much less the risk of showing up and being like 378 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: what you guys got, Andrea, all of my friends who 379 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: have curly hair, I just literally I just had this 380 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: conversation to go from who has curly hair. Her mom 381 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: is white and her dad is black, and she's like, 382 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, in corporate America, I never wanted to wear 383 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: my hair curly because I thought they would judge me. 384 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: She's like, even my exes have been like And as 385 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: a woman who is not mixed or who doesn't have 386 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: the ability to wet my hair and go, I still 387 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: consider curly hair natural and beautiful and more acceptable than 388 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: the unpamed black hair. Yeah, and I think a lot 389 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: of people do. But I think again, it's perspective in 390 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: the world, I guess, right, because uh, for instance, like 391 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: if you grow up in a predominantly white space, even 392 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: if you have looser curls, that hair is still the 393 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: wild hair for them, right, Like that you could be like, oh, 394 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: I've got the quote unquote nice hair, good hair for 395 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: the black community, but in their community, it's like how 396 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: did you get it? Like that, like, what what did 397 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: you do? Yeah, we gotta take a break and pay 398 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: some bills. You know what I always say, fast forward 399 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: through the commercials if need be, will be back in 400 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: just a few moments talking more about the black beauty evolution. 401 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Every champion and carevery champion has to be a Champiana 402 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: Champion and carry Chappion and carry Chapiana Champion and carry 403 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: Chappion and carry chappions and sports, and then the taming 404 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: can make it work. Very champion and carry Champion is 405 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: to be a Champiana Champion. They carry Champion, they champion, 406 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: they carry Champion and carry Champion sports, and the taming 407 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: can naked warm you all. Remember I told you I 408 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: was ashamed to wear my my real hair. I'm ashamed 409 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: to even say that, but Andrew Lewis says something so 410 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: special to me UM on this podcast. Pay attention and 411 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: it should be freedom for all of us who feel 412 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: some sort of shame with our aesthetics as black women. 413 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy. So in the documseries, you talked 414 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: to Mickey, you talk to Carla is there. You have 415 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: people that I have admired, admired their their style, I 416 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: admire how they set trends for us UM in terms 417 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: of the culture. What was the in goal with the docuseries, 418 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: what was the beginning, I'm coming in to do this 419 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: and then you know, whatever you start usually ends up 420 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: being different towards the end. Yeah, you know what was 421 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: funny with this one. The overall um intention remained the 422 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: same the whole time. The the way though that we 423 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: told the story changed a few times, but the intention 424 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: was to celebrate black beauty. Was to show what we've 425 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: been doing in despite of what we've been doing in 426 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: the in between, what we've been doing even though mainstream 427 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: media has not made us this uh has not given 428 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: us the props that we deserve, has not like put 429 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: us on the platform that we deserve. Like I wanted 430 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: to really show that because that's really my experience of 431 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: like yeah, like even though okay, there's they might be 432 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: given us the token. In this commercial, there's only one 433 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: black girl, but my eye is so focused on that 434 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: black girl. I'm so excited to see that black girl. 435 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: We locked in like black girl, good, like thank you. 436 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm only going to focus on her. So any 437 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: moment that highlighted like even more of us, it was like, 438 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: oh wow, like we're really doing it. So anybody that 439 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: I kind of saw pushing through or making a way 440 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: or making you feel seen, like the Mickey Taylors of 441 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: the world, the Lisa Price of the world, like any 442 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: of them, like doing this work that you're like, I 443 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: feel seen because of this person. I even remember like 444 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: watching TV and seeing like a fashion show and you 445 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: see Pat McGrath is like the head makeup artist backstage. 446 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: It's like, what, there's a black woman back here, Like 447 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: that's doing everything. Again, my eye would be locked in 448 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: on this black woman, like what is this black woman doing? 449 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: How did she get into this position? So that was 450 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: always my intense. I really wanted to show the fact 451 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: that like we've been killing it, we've been trying our best, 452 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: we've been surviving, and we've been thriving with in these 453 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: spaces so much so that we are inspiring every other 454 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: ethnic group and we're just not getting the credit for it. 455 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: We are just not being um, yeah, we're not being 456 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: praised in the same way. And that never changed. It 457 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: just was a matter of like how we were gonna 458 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: tell all of that. When I started in my head, 459 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: it was a ninety minute doc um, but the story 460 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: was too big, so it ended up being a three 461 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: part docuseries, one on makeup, one on skincare, and one 462 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: on hair um and even still like they're amazing, Like 463 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: there's still more. It's like, yeah, it's still a lot, 464 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: and it's like ever changing and ever growing. And I'm 465 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: and I'm so yeah, but I'm very proud to say 466 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: the intention never never shifted. You said something that I 467 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: think is key. We always start the trends. We always started. 468 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: I remember being in the hair salon and the young 469 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: girl comes in and she goes, I want the Kim 470 00:25:51,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Kardashian braids. Right, You're like, hold on Kim to Yeah. Yeah, 471 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: and they appropriate the culture and we never are seen. 472 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like your doctor docuseries sees us. Yeah, yeah, 473 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: kudos to you for that. Thank you, thank you. But 474 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: it's so hard that we have to have a docuseries 475 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: so that we have to do it. Yeah, that's the thing. 476 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: But but I think that's how people learn is you 477 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: really do have to shine the spotlight and you have 478 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: to show them like this is what you've been missing, 479 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: This what you haven't been paying attention to. Because especially 480 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: when I think about like social media, like whenever I 481 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: would talk about this doc, like before we've even made it, 482 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: like I would really talk about like these these influencers, 483 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: like you know, like they're really pushing it forward, like 484 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: they are audiences there they are, they are truly influential, 485 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: like and people would always be like, who are you 486 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: talking about? What do you mean what? And You're like no, 487 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: like this is a person who is shifting a culture, 488 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: who is like empowering a whole sector of women to 489 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: do this thing, and and to even explain to people 490 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: like how much black women, like Black Americans overall, that 491 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: like we buy more products than any other group like 492 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: that we actually like we are this business. I mean, 493 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: let's go to my bathroom. Now, go to all the 494 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: bathrooms in my house. I got stuff I use to 495 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: try to tip. We buy it all, we buy it all, 496 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: we buy it all, and I mean it's to me, 497 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: it's for a couple of reasons. It's like we buy 498 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: it all one because not everything works for us. We 499 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: really do have to try. Like that's probably the beauty 500 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: to me is it's like we're so diverse that like 501 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: you could meet somebody who has the same curl pattern 502 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: as you, but it's not the same texture or it's 503 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: not the same thickness. It's not like but there's something 504 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: always a little different, So there's a lot of trying 505 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: that we have to do. And then on top of 506 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: that as well, like we like to look good, we 507 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: as a culture like to look good. We want to 508 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: feel good about ourselves, and so that's why we we 509 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: want the best product, we want the right makeup, we 510 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: want our skin to be really amazing. Like we just 511 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: like this. So we're gonna spend the dollar, We're gonna 512 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna figure out a way to actually feel really 513 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: good about ourselves. And I think people they underestimate this 514 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: that us as a group, as as our spending power, 515 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: our influence. They know these things that we do set 516 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: the trends, that we give everything a cool factor. But 517 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: it's it to me, it's like the narrative jet has 518 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: to shift in terms of like black women are beautiful, 519 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: We are the standard of beauty, Like we are not 520 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: this like, oh, you don't want to have a black girl. 521 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you actually want to have a black girl. 522 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: You want to you want all the black girls. You 523 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: want the black girls, all the black girls. We are 524 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: so diverse that there's no way that you can just 525 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: say or I don't like black girls, like we're too 526 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: diverse for that. There's too many there's too many looks, 527 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: there's too many types of too many skin types, stuny 528 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: body types, to many hair types. And that's why I'm 529 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: always like, we really are the standard beauty. Um. And 530 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: it's just been unfortunate that, like this entire time, we've 531 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: been trying to get an industry to love us back 532 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: um in the way that we see ourselves, and they 533 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: just they don't. She made me take a sip of 534 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: my wine. We trying to get this industry to love us, 535 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: but it's almost like how black people are trying to 536 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: get this country. They love us and they don't love us. Yes, exactly, 537 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: it's the same idea. And I think that's the experience 538 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: we have all all over the world right Like we 539 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: just really want to be seen for who we are. 540 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: We want to be appreciated for who we want are. 541 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: We really just like just let us be. I mean, 542 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: Mickey Taylor says this in the dog of like we've 543 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: never tried to assimilate. We've only just tried to look 544 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: like ourselves. We just want to look like ourselves. We 545 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: just want to be ourselves. But um, but they just yeah, 546 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't see us in that same way 547 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: the way we see ourselves. You you gosh, where do 548 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: we go so many things? Can you talk about products? 549 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: You talk about us always buying things, um twofold because 550 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: the journalism me feels away. So I go into a 551 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: CBS and the things that we buy are onlock right, yes, 552 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: which is annoying and racist. Feel oh here and you 553 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: lock our products down and we keep you all in business. Yes. 554 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: And then there is the circle of power in which 555 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: I wish we created more of our own products so 556 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: we can keep our dollars in our community. Yeah. Yeah, 557 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: when we find ourselves in this circle where we are 558 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: not allowed to really control our dollars and we sometimes 559 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: rely on others to give us the stuff that we need, 560 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: that we know what we can do. You talk about 561 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: black beauty, do you do you talk about that our 562 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: lack of power in terms of in terms of like 563 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: making like the actual like the business. Well, we do 564 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: speak about it a bit in our in our dogs. 565 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: Funny enough, because we have a few beauty founders, um, 566 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: like we have meant to as metics, we have the 567 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: lip bar, we have Ambi Kole, we have topicals we 568 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: mentioned in Semirix. Uh. You know, we mentioned like as 569 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: many as we can. Lisa Price speaks about it really 570 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: great actually, because you know, she got a lot of 571 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: flak when she sold her company to Estate Lauder, and 572 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: people really didn't understand in terms of how to build 573 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: wealth within the black community because right now it's like 574 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: we we are not in there the same position as them. 575 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: So in order for us to start to build, in 576 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: order for us to start to grow, there are going 577 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: to be some uncomfortable things that are going to happen. 578 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: And she really talked about the fact that like doing 579 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: this move is what's going to help build generational wealth 580 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: within her family, is what's going to help her to 581 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: also be able to um invest in other young black 582 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: founders and like kind of start to create this system 583 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: that we're all so desperately looking for and want to 584 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: see more of. And like that's what's been the you know, 585 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: the help for like the lip Bar when it comes 586 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: to like working with like their investors or or even 587 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: topicals anybody like that that's been able to kind of 588 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: like and they're raising like a lot of money, Like 589 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: these are women that are raising like twelve million dollars. Second, 590 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: she just had an investment round. I saw her post 591 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: the other day. I was really happy for her. Yeah, Like, 592 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: and they're they are doing like really fascinating and incredible work. 593 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: But they are doing that work. And this is the 594 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: thing is it's like not everything is going to happen 595 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: all at once, and the steps that it's going to 596 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: take to get there is going to be slower than 597 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: some would like, but it is. It is literally happening. 598 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: We are seeing it with before our eyes, and even 599 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: Desray Rogers says this. Yes, there's been a lot of 600 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: black beauty products that have been founded in the last 601 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: little while and that are growing and we're seeing it 602 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: and we love it. But it's still just a sliver 603 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: and we're still just trying to figure out how to 604 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: get further ahead, how to build wealth within our community 605 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: so that somebody likely surprise um, like they can like it, 606 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: Ray Rogers, they can say I'm now going to help 607 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: this other young person, young black person with the money 608 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: that I have and what I'm to do, I'm going 609 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: to help them, and then hopefully they keep they keep, 610 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, bringing it forward and forward. But it's there, 611 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: it's growing, it is there. The funny thing that or 612 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: the thing that's been interesting for me because I'm so 613 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: immersed in the beauty space that I know a lot 614 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: about these black owned products. When from our premiere episode, 615 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: like so many people said to me, I didn't know 616 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: about this, I didn't know about about that. That's very true, 617 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: very true, true. Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I realized that. 618 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: It's like it takes kind of research because this is 619 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: the thing. A lot of these products are in Target 620 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: and they're not highlighting them as like the black section. 621 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: That's that's a good thing. We don't want them to. 622 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: We just want We don't. Why don't we want them too? 623 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Because I'm in Target all the time, tim me to 624 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the black aisle, tell me why, you know what? Target 625 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: is a really good thing in the terms of Black 626 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: History Month, in terms of saying like, hey, here's black 627 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: owned products. But on a sleep, I like seeing our 628 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: products just amongst all the others. I really do. I 629 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: love being able to go and I'm like lip bar 630 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: is right, sorry, Lorio, easy, but done and done. I 631 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: don't need them to be like, hey, black girls, here's 632 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: lipstick for you, because the same lipstick also works on 633 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: white girls, also works on Asian girls, also works on 634 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Hispanic girls, like they don't need to separate, right, So 635 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: you're right right for me at least, that's my my 636 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: thing I wanted. But what's amazing is lip bar or 637 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: mented cosmetics or black opal. They're putting brown women in 638 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: the front. Girl. I was listen. I was in college, 639 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: full black ole black couple have been around. But I 640 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: was like, I was like, black hole. Well that's something 641 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: for me. You're right. You know they weren't always black owned. 642 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: Now they're black owned. I didn't know that they weren't 643 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: always black owned. Now desre rogers, she's she's the owner 644 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: of them, and they're they're black owned now. I thought 645 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: I was always black owned. The the creator actually made 646 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: it with the intention for his black wife, but he 647 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: was not a black person. He's a he's a Greek Man. 648 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: But that's okay, that's fine. She was down with the 649 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: culture and you want to talk this out and get 650 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: us cute and do all the things exactly. Okay. So 651 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: as an actress, I'm sure you can relate to what 652 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to say to you being in front of 653 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: the camera. I remember hearing these stories often, and you know, 654 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: she she's not necessarily just a girl with black girl, 655 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: but Bandy Newton Tandy. I think she changed her name 656 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: so we know how to do it. Remember when she 657 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: was in Mission Impossible. A friend of mine was an 658 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: associate director on the show on the film, and she 659 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: was so upset because no one could do her hair. Yeah, 660 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: very real, very real experience. Look at that big budget project. 661 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: Just she's the main lady, right I talked about when 662 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: I worked at ESPN, no one could do black hair. 663 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: When I pop up on different projects here every now 664 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: and again, I'm like, can I bring my own hair 665 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: and makeup team? It's a real thing. If you don't, 666 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: even if it is, like, you know, Robin Thdy have 667 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: me do something with her in the Black Lady Sketchow. 668 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: Can I just bring my people? I know it's Black 669 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: Lady Sketch Show. She was like, but I promise, I 670 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: was like, but still I don't. There's a sense of insecurity. Yeah, 671 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: we're put in these positions and because we just can't trust, 672 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: they just can't. Why is that? In two? As we 673 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: hit um one, you have to have people around that 674 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: actually care, right, actually value um. What comes with feeling 675 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: good about how you look like? People kind of see beauty. 676 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's like this vanity thing, like are you kind 677 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: of a diva? Did it? It's like, no, this is 678 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: this is this is like one of the many steps 679 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: in terms of confidence. If I like how I look 680 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: on the outside, You're gonna get a better version of 681 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: me in general, Like I'm going to be more receptive, 682 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel good, I'm gonna talk like all of 683 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: those things. Um and then I think, at least in 684 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: my experience in the last little while, I've had two experiences. 685 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: One I like in the last year, just last year. 686 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: This is just recent. All the sets I've been on, 687 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: the people around have been very like, please tell me 688 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: if you don't like your hair and makeup, please say something. 689 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: Didn't say something because of who you are? Or is 690 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: it because of the climate is changing? The climate is changing. 691 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: I think enough stories have come out, enough articles and 692 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: videos of black actresses of all types complaining about this experience, 693 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: like saying like how uncomfortable they have been made to feel, 694 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: how much they They're going on to a huge budget 695 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: set and nobody is there that it's qualified to work 696 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: specifically with them, And this has been going on forever. 697 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: I saw a clip of Diane Carroll saying this, Diane 698 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: Carroll saying she was the lead of a movie they 699 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: were gonna be filming somewhere and she was like, Hey, 700 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: does this person's person going to know how to do 701 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: my hair? And they're like, yeah, yeah, don't work, don't worry, 702 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: don't worry, we got we got somebody. She was like, no, 703 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: do they know how bad hair? Are they aware of 704 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: my hair? Because that's the other thing is people, you know, 705 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: the lazy thing to do is to just be, is 706 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: to do like, oh, I don't see color. We can 707 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: do everybody. Everybody it is okay to admit to like 708 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: there are big differences, Like that doesn't make you a 709 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: bad person. To look at me and to look at 710 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: this white actress beside me and say, Andrew's gonna need 711 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: something a little different to this one, and we're gonna 712 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: make sure that we bring in someone who knows how 713 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: to do it. Like that that's the better move. And 714 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: I think oftentimes people are lazy and um and they 715 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: would rather not show vulnerability, not say they don't understand. 716 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: They'd rather just kind of be what everybody can do. 717 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: They can't look you said a change within the last year, 718 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: I have worked on so many projects where I always like, 719 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I asked my agents for. It's 720 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: a really this is why I was so interested in 721 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: talking to you, because I love how you show that 722 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: we all are. We show up so differently, we all 723 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: look differently. There's so many varying shades of we are, sizes, colors, 724 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, um personality type. Some of us want to 725 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: be full deva, give me the last, and some of 726 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: us don't want to. We want to all nat you owe. 727 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: Some of us will sit down and say whatever you say. Yeah, 728 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm okay with somebody, whatever you say. I'm good with 729 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: my beauty this way. But the the underlying factor is 730 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: that it's always work me. It's always a production. Whether 731 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: we wanted to be or not, it's a production. Do 732 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: you think that with your docuseries you've been able to 733 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: create a space where someone who is not of color. 734 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate this. I I think I think I'm learning 735 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: from this. I would hope so truthfully, I would hope 736 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: so like I hope, I hope that anybody who's not 737 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: the you know, the target audience, that when they watch it, 738 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: they're able to see them the way that we've had 739 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: to navigate these spaces and that they would also understand 740 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: like the triumph of us in these spaces, because I 741 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: think you can be inspired by anybody who's who's trying 742 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: to thrive, like I honestly do no matter, like you know, 743 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: it's like like that's why it's like you don't have 744 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: to play the sport to really like be inspired by 745 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: the athlete, like really right, like and that's how I 746 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: feel within this documentary is it's like this is a 747 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: series that shows game changers. This is a series that 748 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: shows people who weren't taking no for an answer. This 749 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: is a series that shows people who refuse to give 750 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: into the standard, who refused to like kind of bend 751 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: to that like that that they were like, No, I 752 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: I feel different to that. I feel more beautiful than this. 753 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: I know that I am more appreciated than this. I 754 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: know that I that my look deserves to be in 755 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: the front, Like I know that, and that there and 756 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: something as small as lipstick, like should have black women 757 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: in the campaign, Like that's that's something that I'm going 758 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: to fight for, regardless of what people are telling me, 759 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: regardless of people asking what other groups are you gonna 760 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: cater to Like even when I was making this documentary, 761 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: when we were like pitching it, I cannot tell you 762 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: how many people asked me if I was going to 763 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: change the target audience, if it was gonna like be 764 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: like for all women, And I was like, no, no, no, 765 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not just for black women that this 766 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: is the group it's for. This is this group is 767 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: very powerful, this group is very dynamic, This group is deserving. 768 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: We don't need to share our space with anybody else. 769 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: And I think that regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, you 770 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: should be able to come out of this docuseries and 771 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: and see that and see that we have done that 772 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: um for ourselves, that we are doing that for others 773 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: like the whole time, because you know, it's like more 774 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: people have curly hair than straight hair, like for sure, 775 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: for sure in the world, we get in so much 776 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: money making or trying to make our hair straight, I know. 777 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: And that's just because we've been told that that's the 778 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: way that we will be more accepted in society. If 779 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: you think that's true, it's not true. But if you 780 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: think about something like the Crown Act, there are people 781 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: who are literally fired or put on suspension or challenge 782 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: within their job because they are wearing their hair the 783 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: way that we just naturally wear our hair. So these 784 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: are things that affect all of us all the time. 785 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: And these are also like recent things as in like 786 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: the last five years, last ten years that we are 787 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: which is which is too late? Which is which is 788 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that it's taking this long. It's unfortunate that 789 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: we're having But again, it takes a lot of um 790 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: guts to get to a place, and all of us 791 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: and especially black women, like you know, when you're in 792 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: a position in any kind of corporation, any kind of 793 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: like big entity, it's the navigating of these spaces are hard. 794 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: The navigating of these spaces are difficult. To get into 795 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 1: positions of power where you can now make some decisions 796 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: where you can now really make some plays does not 797 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: come overnight, does not come easy. And so that's how 798 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: I'm more seeing it. I'm like, this is amazing because 799 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: we are now like as a generation of women like 800 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: we are in these positions, we can start to make 801 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: these demands. We can start to say, hey, I'm actually 802 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: gonna change this, like this is right. Like maybe when 803 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: I first started I had to kind of bend bothering. 804 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: But now now I can do something something every Chapion 805 00:43:53,080 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: and Chapion and Chi and care Chip and then the 806 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: same make and make it work. Champion they carry champions, 807 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: A Champion they car with Champion, chap they care with Champion. 808 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: I also think, as we always do as a culture, 809 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: black women especially, we always push the envelope. We always 810 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: make people better around us. We always you know what 811 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: I mean, We always elevate the cause in every way. 812 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: Whether they want to to do it or not, they 813 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: they have to recognize the excellence and be a part 814 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: of it. How do you address the product issue in 815 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: which we are now realizing the different products we use 816 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: are not always healthy m hmm. A lot of them 817 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: lead to cancer because for the simple reason that we 818 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: are trying to straighten your hair, or we are trying 819 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: to achieve a look that isn't necessarily our look. How 820 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: do you address that? And it's tough, right, because there's 821 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: things that are like this is where okay, like blackness, 822 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: and in the sense of like these are just like 823 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: across the diasked for a for instance, like that's not 824 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: necessarily product, but like um in our skincare episode, we 825 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: talk about SPF and like how important SPF is, and 826 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: every black person I know, their whole entire life was 827 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:30,879 Speaker 1: told they don't need it, like their thousand life one two. Yeah, 828 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: and even me, it's like only in the last few 829 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: years have I put it. I started to put it 830 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: on and make it. And it's always sometimes that I 831 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: remember sometimes every day it's not a thing for me. 832 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: So like for my mom for instance, like even she 833 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: watched that skincare episode with me and I was like, yeah, 834 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, because she goes on these long 835 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: walks and she's always inside, she's outside a lot. And 836 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you should consider And she 837 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: was like I think I'm okay, but that that sounds great, 838 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: that information is great, but I might be okay. And 839 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and this is the thing with 840 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: black people. We have some things within our culture that's 841 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 1: been in there for so long that it is hard 842 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: for us to take it out. Yeah, I'm okay, I'm fine. 843 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: Look at me, I'm fine. And you're like, this is 844 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: where this is where I think it's important again to 845 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: now start to try your best to find black owned products, 846 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: because the black owned products, the black owned founders they 847 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: too are trying to to get us on a better 848 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: path in terms of what we are using on our 849 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: on our staining honor. I remember like lip bar is 850 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: a great example. I remember when their lip six when 851 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: I first met them, because I actually met them in 852 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, when they were just making the lipstick. 853 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: It was like brand new. It was like they were 854 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: making it in their apartment. And I remember her saying, 855 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: and it was Vegan. I remember saying, like what does 856 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: that matter? Like, yeah, yeah, what what today? Today? I 857 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: would say that today? Okay, like I can eat it later, 858 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: Like what do you talk? What do you mean? It's 859 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: like yeah, because their products with lipstick that it's like 860 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: why are we putting this? Just don't know, we don't know. 861 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: And so it's like it's really about education and it's 862 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: and and that's why like documentaries like this help people 863 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: to start to think more about the stuff that they're 864 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: doing or start to think why why do I have 865 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: that reaction to those to that thing versus this thing 866 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: Like it's something I've just learned about. Is like black 867 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: hair dye box die like that you can have like 868 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: an allergic reaction to it, like like the just the 869 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: box of black hair dye, like so many women just 870 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: put that in their hair like a quick rint or 871 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: something like that, and that you can have like an 872 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: entire allergic reaction that black hair dye, that it's actually 873 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: not that great for you, you you shouldn't really be using it. 874 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, I had no clue. And I 875 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: think about just so many people in my life that 876 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: I know that are like, oh, like, oh, silk pressed season, 877 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get my hair jet black and it 878 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: doesn't make my silky. Yeah, And you're like yeah, and 879 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,399 Speaker 1: you're like maybe not, maybe not, maybe not. Here's what's 880 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: interesting about growing up in California, right, we don't have humidity, 881 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: so we never perms or whatever a thing like you 882 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: never I never ever ever permed my hair as a child, 883 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: even in my early adult years. I when I graduated 884 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: from college and I was like, I need to work out. 885 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: Here's the rub. When we want to work out in 886 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: a real way, we're like our hair up the elements, 887 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: Like it is so much work. And I think that's 888 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: why we have decided to go for the straighteners and 889 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: the and the and the extensions and the many things protective. 890 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: And I used to make this joke about I'm sure 891 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,879 Speaker 1: there's something on the planet Mars. Wh've been to Mars 892 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: a bazillion times. Is something up there in Mars that 893 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: we can come back and put on our hair. They 894 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: ain't gonna kill us like we but allow us to 895 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: put it on our hair and work out and live 896 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,439 Speaker 1: our free lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a true 897 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: conundrum for black women. Yes, it really is. Yeah, so 898 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: what do you say? The thing is, I think as 899 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: as black women with that, I actually think we need 900 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: to change our There are ideas around our hair and 901 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: those things. We put too much emphasis that our hair 902 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,959 Speaker 1: has to be. It's so present that like it's it's 903 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: more important than health, it's more important than care of 904 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: our Andrea, are you telling me it's not? Are you? 905 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: You don't say I gotta take care of my body 906 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: more so than my hair, like like a thousand percent. 907 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: But I'm also like I would rather like I That's 908 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: why I like, I appreciate my friends that would rather 909 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: find protective styles that are like, hey, listen, this is 910 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: why I'm wigging it like this, yeah, like this is 911 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: the season, this is what I'm doing, and yeah, like yeah, 912 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: or you just know, like you have like you have 913 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: certain days of the week You're like, Okay, listen, I'm 914 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: actually gonna do my I don't know, got to work 915 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: out a single day. I'm gonna work it on my 916 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: wash day. Actually, that's the or I know that I 917 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 1: can put this in like a little slip back later. 918 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: Something's really matter, you know what you mean? You're right, 919 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: we have to change your attitude because everything you just said, 920 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, God, that's so much work. I gotta work 921 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,840 Speaker 1: out my wash I gotta put my hair in a 922 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: sey like you have to. But that is the reason 923 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: why so many black women get fed up and they 924 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: cut their hair off, like you know, or like I 925 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: do not want to build my life around my hair. Yeah, 926 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,919 Speaker 1: and but I think this is the thing like from 927 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: uh like culturally and sstrally, like our hair are everything 928 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: about us. It takes time. And that's okay, what do 929 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: you mean what do you mean saying like none of 930 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: us are our hair is not quick. We don't. It's 931 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: like we know to be and we have to own that. 932 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: You're that our hair styles take time. I don't want 933 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 1: to own it. I don't want to own it. And 934 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: I think this is the thing and the more we 935 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: embrace it, the more we can treat it more like 936 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: self care, the more that we can work around it 937 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 1: in terms of our life, Like I take real joy 938 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: now in like my like, oh it's time to do 939 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: a treatment. I'm gonna wash my hair, I'm going to 940 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 1: comb it out, I'm gonna like this is my self 941 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: care day Versus before it used to feel like when 942 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: do I even fit this in? How do I do this? 943 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: And I but in general, I'm not taking care of 944 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 1: myself when I do that, when I'm treating these things 945 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280 Speaker 1: that come out of me as just like a burden, 946 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: versus thinking about it as like this is a good thing. 947 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: It is a good thing that we have to We 948 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: have to stop and take time with ourselves. Other cultures 949 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: don't have to do that. That's why it's in ours 950 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: like this is it's actually it's important for us because 951 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: of how we show up, not just for our hair, 952 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: but just for our mental just for everything. It's you're right, 953 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,439 Speaker 1: the entire thing, and so that's how I think. It's 954 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: like that's the to me, it's like reframe the idea, 955 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,840 Speaker 1: like I've been hearing this lately again, Like as I, 956 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm very much in the beauty space 957 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: in this way of people saying like it is okay, 958 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 1: Like there's nothing wrong with saying like, oh, I went 959 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: to get my hair braided and it took four hours, 960 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: like we're so used to like other cultures being like 961 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: four hours, what what what were you doing? But how 962 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: long did that take you? This is a part of 963 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,239 Speaker 1: my culture, my culture. This is what we have to do. 964 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: This is that's nothing for me. In that time, I 965 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: figure out stuff to do and very used to it. 966 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: It's very normal. And I think the more we start 967 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: to embrace these things instead of thinking that we that 968 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: these are negatives and because because they've been told to 969 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: us that they're negatives the narrative, because they're absolutely not. 970 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 1: When I was a little girl, every week, like on 971 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: Sunday night, my mom took the time to do my 972 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 1: hair and it didn't it was not sure. It was 973 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: not a quick process. It was a long process. But 974 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: that was our time together. And I think as an 975 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,720 Speaker 1: adult now I realized, like we've lost that those parts, 976 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: some of us, not all, but some of us have 977 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,919 Speaker 1: lost thinking more positively about like that our stuff takes time, 978 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 1: and now we got we we have so much. We 979 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: have so much negative dialogue around our hair and I 980 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: and and our hair, around our skin, around on the 981 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: break up, around all of that. Okay, Okay, I like 982 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: you for telling me that I love you, and I 983 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: think you're going to help our sisters with this. Okay. 984 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: So before I let you go because I am, I 985 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm just running my mouth. Um, where 986 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: can everyone watch this black beauty doc? Yeah? So The 987 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 1: Black Beauty Effect is currently on Exfinity. If you do 988 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: not have uh Exfinity, you can also watch it on Zumo, 989 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: which is a free app, a free platform that you 990 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: can download it um. But it is it is basically 991 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: all over the place. But if you have Exfinity, which 992 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot of homes, Zoo for cable and for internet, 993 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: then you can totally watch it right now on your television, 994 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: or you can download Zumo and um and watch all 995 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: three episodes back to back hopefully you do and tired 996 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: skincare care and makeup and just everything to do with 997 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: the game changers and the influence of these spaces that 998 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,720 Speaker 1: black women have known about for a million years. So yeah, okay, 999 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: can I ask you because I have the screeners and 1000 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: well and we can take this out. Jock Quis pop 1001 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: back in with her beauty shot as well. Where can 1002 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: we how do you spell zumo? Was with an x 1003 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: x okay x U m O Chuck. You have to 1004 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,760 Speaker 1: put that on the podcast so we can tell people. 1005 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,320 Speaker 1: Just download Zumo and and then you trype effect and 1006 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: we'll find it. Yeah, and any other part. Oh, you 1007 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: have a you have a app? Zo the Zumo app. 1008 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,960 Speaker 1: That's I don't know, no, but do you have a 1009 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: wellness app? I thought I saw this when I was 1010 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: when I was researching. You don't. Okay, that's no, no no, 1011 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, like, you know, if they want to 1012 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,880 Speaker 1: keep up with all things for this shooting, which is 1013 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 1: a black black Beauty effect on Instagram Act Black Beauty 1014 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: effect on Instagram. Okay, Um, I want to make sure 1015 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting all the things to plug. Is there anything 1016 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: else that I need to plug? You're just beautiful. I 1017 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: appreciate when I do an intro in a tag, and 1018 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: when I talk about this intro, it's gonna be it's 1019 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: gonna be about the time that someone asked me to 1020 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: come on TV and take my wig off to talk 1021 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: about just being a black woman and wearing my black hair, 1022 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 1: and I was terrified. I'm gonna be honest with you. 1023 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people are terrified that I 1024 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: was very real feeling. I was terrified to even have 1025 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: a wig now that you call them a unit, I 1026 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: was terrified to get that. Like, but then I'm even 1027 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: now more terrified to be without. There's there's real but 1028 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's an unlearning that all of us have 1029 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: to do. That's why I always say that every black woman, 1030 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 1: regardless of their hair journey, regardless of how mixed they are, regardless, 1031 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: has to unlearn something about her own beauty. And it 1032 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,799 Speaker 1: could be that my my natural hair is okay, that 1033 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: I don't need as much makeup as I think that, Like, 1034 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,840 Speaker 1: you know something, because we've been taught for so long 1035 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: that we have to fit in and even within trying 1036 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: to fit into white society, there's even still black beauty standards, 1037 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: like literally within our own community to try to fit 1038 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: like and so, and that all just leads back to 1039 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,839 Speaker 1: white supremacy all ultimately, right, Like it's it's a white 1040 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: beauty standards, not ours and um and so I'm like 1041 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,439 Speaker 1: all of us have a real like, it's a it's 1042 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: a process. So it's by no means I think should 1043 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 1: any woman that's in that cares about you, you just 1044 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 1: wants to care about her, look, think that some of 1045 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: her stuff might be silly, or that nobody else thinks this, 1046 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: or it's only me. I'm like, and tons of black women, 1047 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: tons of women of color in general, have these things 1048 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,319 Speaker 1: that they're trying to figure out themselves too. Thank you 1049 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: for honoring our beauty. Thank you for being encouraging, and 1050 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 1: thank you for being courageous. More importantly and allowing us 1051 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,239 Speaker 1: to feel like it's okay to be us. You know 1052 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. No, thank you. Thank you for watching 1053 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,760 Speaker 1: and sharing and chatting with me about it. I really yeah. Listen, 1054 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,879 Speaker 1: you're speaking. You preached to the choir and all the women. 1055 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm telling this is your target audience on this podcast. Andrea, 1056 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: thank you so much, and enjoy the rest of your evening, 1057 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: enjoy Alabama in the filming, and thank you. Thank you guys. So, 1058 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,880 Speaker 1: if you want to see Black Beauty Evolution the docuseries, 1059 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: it is the three Partner. If you have Exfinity, I'm 1060 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: talking to my cable folks with Exfinity. I don't have it. 1061 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: It's available there. But she also said that you can 1062 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: get it on Zumo Zumo Zumo uh, and we'll put 1063 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 1: a link to Zumo on the intro of this podcast 1064 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: when you download. Support her listen to what she's saying. 1065 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a very beautiful space show up as 1066 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: your real self. Truthfully though, and I'm being honest with 1067 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: you guys, I'm having a hard time thinking I'm gonna 1068 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: take off this protective unit a k a. Wig and 1069 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: be out here is my natural self. But the more 1070 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: that I take away the negative narrative surrounding black hair, um, 1071 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: the more I feel emboldened to do so. I said 1072 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 1: earlier to you all that Don Lemon asked me to 1073 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: show up on CNN and just like a yank my 1074 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: wig off and be like, this is me, my natural hair. 1075 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't doing that. You sound crazy, 1076 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,520 Speaker 1: Go find somebody else to do that. But it isn't crazy, 1077 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: but it's definitely scary. And the more we talk about 1078 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: who we are naturally, it takes away that narrative, that 1079 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: negative narrative that black is not beautiful because we are. 1080 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you all for listening. Talk to you all 1081 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:45,959 Speaker 1: next week.