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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Dakota, and this is Keon, your favorite

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Speaker 1: Okay Storytime host, and we've got some great stories coming

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Speaker 2: But before that, we have a quick two minute break

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Speaker 2: from the sponsors to keep the show alive. My friend

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Speaker 2: ghosted me for years then demanded I save her business

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Speaker 3: Ghost does not equal entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: Julie twenty seven female is a good friend from school.

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Speaker 2: We used to be close, but if drifted apart and

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Speaker 2: don't see each other as much as we used to.

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Speaker 2: John thirty two mail is her boyfriend. We used to

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Speaker 2: be close, but he has been cold towards me twenty

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Speaker 1: Recently they have.

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Speaker 2: Both opened up a business and I am a lawyer

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Speaker 2: at a decent sized firm. By the way, this comes

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Speaker 2: from lawyer for crazies. And if you want to smite

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Speaker 1: I'm Dakota, I'm Savannah. We're here to give good of

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Speaker 1: azk goofley yep, a little bit about this here story.

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Speaker 2: We don't have all the answers. We only know what

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Speaker 2: we know, so let us know what you know in

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Speaker 2: the comments. And Op says a few days ago, I

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Speaker 2: get a text from my good friend Julie out of

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Speaker 2: Julie has bailed the last couple of times I've organized

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Speaker 2: things we meet up, But the whole time, Julie keeps

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Speaker 2: fishing for free legal advice about her business, which I

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Speaker 2: politely refuse.

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Speaker 1: I refused for many reasons.

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Speaker 2: She sought advice in an area of law I have

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Speaker 2: minimal experience in. It goes against the conditions of my

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Speaker 2: take up most of my limited free time.

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Speaker 1: Plus in my jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: There are rules and lots of warnings against giving free

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Speaker 2: I also don't want to mix my professional and personal life.

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Speaker 2: The area of law I practice in is emotionally draining

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Speaker 2: self preservation, I want my spare time to be work free.

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Speaker 2: While I'm more than happy to lend a sympathetic ear

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Speaker 2: put on my lawyer hat to provide solutions, opinions, and

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Speaker 2: not a nice feeling to know you are being taken

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Speaker 2: but if she wanted recommendations, I would gladly provide her

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Speaker 2: like trying to dish on lawyers, and everyone's just like ah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're talking about her.

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Speaker 2: He said horrible things like I must be sleeping my

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Speaker 3: it's one thing to like, you know, make those snide remarks,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that out loud, and then everyone goes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's why he's being so horrific right now.

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Speaker 1: He's a mad little baby boy. He didn't get his

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, he didn't get his way.

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Speaker 1: Oh now I see, I see, Yeah, I wonder what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm shot, Opie continues. I was pretty pissed

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Speaker 2: It was horrible, awkward and just mean. I was mortified

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Speaker 2: I ended up excusing myself from the table to go cry.

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Speaker 2: and now John is pissed, saying that I can't take

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Speaker 3: That's not a joke. You're literally like, oh, you must

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just fully just trying to cover for himself.

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Speaker 2: He that was after he realized, oh, no, everyone's gonna

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Speaker 4: Just a joke.

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Speaker 1: Everyone sleeps away. I slept my way to the top.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm Johnny sleeps his way to the top.

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Speaker 1: That's what they call me.

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Speaker 2: Wake up in the morning being bombarded with text messages

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Speaker 1: What and how this would have all been avoided if

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Speaker 1: I had just helped them in the first place.

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Speaker 3: This makes me really really want to just help you

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Speaker 3: right now? You berating me in front of our friends

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Speaker 3: at dinner. Oh yeah, this really makes me rethink. Oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, I should have helped them. They're really nice

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't like being verbally bombarded at a friend dinner, Well,

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Speaker 2: then you should have given us free legal advice, like okay.

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Speaker 2: I responded and said, if I ever was going to

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Speaker 1: How the heck do I handle this?

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Speaker 2: Well, since you're a lawyer, I think if he's threatening you,

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Speaker 3: Now, sue him, Yeah, on reasons of being annoying and

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Speaker 1: I don't know you're the lawyer, but we do have

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Speaker 1: says just curious. Did anyone else at that dinner mentioned

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Speaker 1: what went down? Yes, my thoughts exactly.

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing any normal or healthy

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Speaker 2: Julie has talked John up to the point where he

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Speaker 2: I've gotten a whole heap of messages from my friends

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Speaker 2: asking me how I am. It was just an awkward

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Speaker 2: Myself included are you kidding me? Just for a future reference,

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Speaker 2: this is how you handle that situation.

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Speaker 3: I'll be you'd.

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Speaker 1: Be John, Oh okay, just just make make some noises.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't like the way that you didn't help

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Speaker 2: Hey John, Hey, John, calm down, what are we doing.

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Speaker 2: This is dinner, We're not We're not having a fight

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Speaker 3: I just thought that I should bring it up and

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Speaker 1: No, this, and this is to be clear. This is

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Speaker 3: If I said you're stupid and I don't like your haircut?

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Speaker 1: John? Were we all think less of you? Now?

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Speaker 3: John, Well, it's your fault. You should have helped.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Where's there's an update? Seventeen days later.

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Speaker 2: In the original post, I expressed concern about John sending

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Speaker 2: people were telling me that I should go to the

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Speaker 2: Part of this process is basically having a squeaky clean

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Speaker 1: Since I am a character.

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Speaker 2: Reference that I provided in a non legal capacity and

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Speaker 2: I have no interest in ruining both his and Julie's life,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make a report. However, I sent

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Speaker 1: A formal report. I'm sure that will get him to

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that will get him to not bother you

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Speaker 2: I have kept copies of these text messages if I

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Speaker 1: Social media lockdown.

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Speaker 2: In regards to my professional concerns, every Monday, I have

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Speaker 2: a standing appointment with my supervising solicitor to debrief about

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Speaker 2: work and any problems that arise from work. As I

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Speaker 2: and deal with a lot of at risk and vulnerable kids,

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Speaker 2: so the appointment goes beyond the realm of legal work.

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Speaker 2: I discussed what happened with John and Julie and asked

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Speaker 2: no way in the world that John and Julie could

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Speaker 1: She also sa said that.

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Speaker 2: Because she knows how hard I work and how many

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that's John.

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Speaker 4: He just goes.

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Speaker 2: I know that I have been used, But what's worse

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Speaker 2: I've been there when Julie's grandfather passed away. More just

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Speaker 2: It's like it feels like your whole friend circle is

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Speaker 3: They berated me in front of everyone.

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Speaker 1: After they publicly humiliated in front of they publicly they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't understand how that, you know, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What is this upside down topsy turvy land. That's not

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Speaker 3: Little stupid idiot John.

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Speaker 1: And that's the end of this story. Let's head to

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Speaker 1: the next one.

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Speaker 3: My friend lied about why we broke up, so I

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Speaker 1: The truth has been set free.

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Speaker 3: I am a part of a group of friends. John

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Speaker 3: the way, this come from Petty Teddy. Keep a steady

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Speaker 3: and if you want to submit your own stories, go

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Speaker 3: to the arm slash Okay story time subreddit. I'm Savannah,

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Speaker 3: I'm Dakota, and we he had to give some good

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Speaker 3: bye goofly, but we do not have all of the answers.

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Speaker 3: We would only tell you what we would do in

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Speaker 3: in the commons. As Opie says, from my perspective, that's

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Speaker 3: expanded to include Okay, there are a lot of names.

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Speaker 1: This are we supposed to There is a lot of

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Speaker 3: Are we supposed to get a whiteboard and jot all

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Speaker 3: this down? Is this important?

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Speaker 1: We have the whiteboards of our brain.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I will not remember this well. The

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm getting the whiteboard?

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Speaker 3: Thank what? Because that's crazy?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. I've got it right here.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Katie, Laura, and Paul matriculated in some time during

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Speaker 1: Got it, I got it? I got it. Ryan is

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Speaker 3: They each met their spouses during college and they were

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Speaker 3: for years now, and I'm just generally amazed each one

445
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: is still so active lol. Side note, the girls do

446
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 3: have an all girls chat and the guys have an

447
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: all guys chat about me. I'm the low maintenance friend

448
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 3: of the group, primarily because I'd be off doing my

449
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,199
Speaker 3: own thing. I don't consider myself to be standoffish, but

450
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: I do have my own way about things. I had

451
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 3: to describe my personality, I'd say I'm an oatrovert. I'm

452
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: always catching everyone by surprise because I'm randomly commenting or

453
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 3: doing something unexpected. Wow, he's such an outrovert. I'd consider

454
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 3: myself a consistent friend because I show up for each

455
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: of my friends, from weddings and funerals to childbirths and graduations, birthdays,

456
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 3: promotion parties, anniversaries, etc. Sometimes things are hit and missdue

457
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: to my job, but I make it a point to

458
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 3: call slash texts and make alternate plans or something if

459
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: I can't celebrate them the day of. They've been there

460
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: for me as well. I had a huge tip to

461
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: the ladies of the group that started during high school,

462
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: but it eventually resolved it self. Sometime during summer break

463
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: of my sophomore year in college. I wouldn't say it

464
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 3: divided the group, but it was eye opening for me.

465
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: So I was the first of the group to have

466
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: a job and vehicle. I was blessed to get my

467
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: first job in tenth grade and blessed with parents who

468
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: were able to get me a vehicle for my commute.

469
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: Frequently my friends would ask for money. I didn't have

470
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: an issue with it because I had it. But my

471
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: personal boundary that I've always explained beforehand is just pay

472
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: me back on the agreed upon day or give me

473
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: some food. That's it sounds pretty reasonable.

474
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know if I would if.

475
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm getting you something, you know, buy me dinner, get

476
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: me food, or give me back my money. It's still

477
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: in place to this day too. I've even added favors

478
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 3: to it. Need a hand moving, pay me or feed me,

479
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: car worked on or something clean, pay me or feed

480
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 3: me a babysitter, pay me or feed me for me.

481
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: That just keeps everything simple. Hey, pay me or feed me.

482
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm OPI welcome to pay me or feed me. I'll

483
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: do whatever you want, but you have to pay me

484
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: or feed me. Skin.

485
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 3: I never had a problem with the guys, they always

486
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: paid me back on time or got the food and

487
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: was never weird about it. The girls, though, there were

488
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: multiple times that I allowed days to be moved and

489
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 3: called myself working with them, or asked them to just

490
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: go get me some food, but they wouldn't. This is

491
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: from all three of them at the time. Eventually this

492
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: culminated in ME calling them out on it one day

493
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: when we were all out. I think it started from

494
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: a conversation about integrity. I don't believe how I said

495
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: it was disrespectful. I just provided my viewpoint. From there,

496
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: the girls essentially actively started avoiding me. Me and the

497
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: guys were fine, though we all still gamed online together,

498
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: played sports, and generally hung out. I even got John

499
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: a job where I was working. My senior year. They

500
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: all still hung out with the girls too, and went

501
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: places and took plenty of photos together. I didn't ask

502
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: about the girls, and I don't think they asked about me.

503
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: During my freshman year in college, my roommate introduced me

504
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 3: to red pill content, and essentially I agreed with some points.

505
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: Because of my lived experience up to that point, I'd

506
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 3: say that's when I started really paying attention to cross

507
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: gender relationships and friendships. This guy sounds like he's gonna

508
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: piss me off.

509
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: He does sound like a bit of a pisser.

510
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: My college sophomore break, John told not asked or even

511
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: invited Elowel to come to his high school graduation and party.

512
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: I went, and that's essentially when I reconnected and began

513
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: reconciling with the girls. That's also where I was introduced

514
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: to Tyler. I formally met Ryan a year later, randomly

515
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: during Thanksgiving when they were at Kyle's parents. Over time,

516
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: I've had more individual conversations with Katie, Laura, and Pat

517
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: about it, and they are all apologetic. Katie and Pat

518
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: have kind of become extended sisters and are super supportive

519
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: of me. Ryan has commented that she thought that they

520
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: were my sisters the first time she was around the group.

521
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's their way of trying to

522
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: patch things up, but I've explicitly told them everything is fine.

523
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: That all was ten to eleven years ago, and that's

524
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: still the dynamic to this day. Problem. Laura and myself

525
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: graduated high school together. My birthday is later in the

526
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: year in hers is earlier, so essentially I started school

527
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: a year behind. John and Kyle had the same situation. Pat, Kyle,

528
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: and Katie all graduated together. Shortly after reconciling with the girls,

529
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: I expressed to Laura that I'd like to pursue her romantically.

530
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: Initially everything was okay, but I ended things after I

531
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: found out she was dating someone else. I hadn't told

532
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: anyone that we were romantically involved, so when Katie asked

533
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: about some guys she set her up with in the

534
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: group chat, I found out she was seeing others. I

535
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: didn't get mad or anything. I just ended it and

536
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: wished her the best. Still treated her like everyone else.

537
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: Fast forward to now. Everyone is living their lives, and

538
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: some are more or less established in their respective careers,

539
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: and some are still figuring it out. Over the weekend,

540
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: there was a game night with everyone there and the

541
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: topic of dating came up. Laura makes some comments and

542
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: basically informs the group that we briefly dated.

543
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: Okay, a soft launch post relationship is kind of crazy energy.

544
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know why she had meant to that,

545
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 3: but maybe.

546
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason or to let you know we were

547
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: doing stuff. Now we don't, but we did.

548
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: We briefly dated. Let's all have a nice little chuckle

549
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: about it.

550
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: Ooh, we now, Opie's gonna come in with the yeah,

551
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: and we might still be dating if you hadn't been sleeping.

552
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Around on me. Were you gonna get messy? Are you

553
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it messy?

554
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: In her version, it's essentially I didn't want anything long

555
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: term with her because she didn't finish college. She was

556
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: still in college when I stopped pursuing her romantically. I

557
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: disagreed and explained again why I stopped pursuing her. Then

558
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: Katie makes the comment about why wouldn't I date Laura now?

559
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: And I said that's not a possibility, nor do I

560
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: ever see it being a possibility ever. Again, Laura asked

561
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: me to explain why, and I tried my best to

562
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: dodge it. Pat Tyler, Ryan and Kyle tried to help,

563
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: but Laura was adamant.

564
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: This is so funny. You're like, I don't want to

565
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: bury you. I don't want to bury you, please, and

566
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: she's like, no, take this shovel and bury me.

567
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: Side note too, I currently have a girlfriend and we

568
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: are in a polyamorous relationship. I lean on my elders

569
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: along with pat Tyler, Ryan and Kyle for guiance on

570
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: how to effectively communicate because they are my married friends,

571
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: so they are the only ones aware that I'm in

572
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: a relationship, and I explicitly asked them not to tell

573
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: anyone in the group. They've actually met her and we've

574
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: all been to places together. When I saw that Laura

575
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't drop it, I told her why I don't see

576
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: myself pursuing her romantically without even mentioning my girlfriend. I

577
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: stated with details and examples about how I thought that

578
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: she was a horrible choice and a romantic partner, and

579
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: I believe that she could benefit from therapy.

580
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: Ooh, you asked for this, Laura.

581
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: Ooh ask and ye shall receive. Ooh eee opee.

582
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't have to, though, sometimes you just go

583
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: it just wouldn't work, yep.

584
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Why because it wouldn't. Why it won't.

585
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: Drop it because I just don't want it to Why

586
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: you're not my type?

587
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: Boom that she gave her what she wanted.

588
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: I explain that she has a pattern of line cheating

589
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: and stealing in previous romantic relationships. Then I explained how

590
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: I believed that her life was in financial shambles and

591
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to intermingle my life with that. Okay,

592
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: these are all.

593
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: You got what you wanted, Laura.

594
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: I still think she's gorgeous and I consider her a

595
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 3: legitimate friend, but beyond that, I can't allow myself to

596
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: ever be involved with her beyond our friendship.

597
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: Look, sometimes people ask and they're not ready, and you

598
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: didn't really do anything wrong. You just told them exactly

599
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: why you would never be interested in dating them. You know,

600
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: I gotta say I'm the kind of person who would

601
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: also do that if I'm pressed over and over, if

602
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: I go I got thoughts in my head, they wouldn't

603
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: be very nice, though, so I won't say them. And

604
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: if they hounded me and also had lied about it

605
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: in the first place, I would go, Okay, fine, here's

606
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: what I think. And also I love you as a friend,

607
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: but I would never date you.

608
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. She kind of asked

609
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: for it, but I don't think he needed to be

610
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: that blunt. But I also think he was like being

611
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: berated and she wasn't letting it down. And all of

612
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: the friends were like nah, nah, like it's cool, we

613
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: don't have to get into him. She's like, no, tell

614
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: me now, and he's like, Okay, well for starters, then

615
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: in and and and you know, yeah, and now she's like,

616
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: she probably ran away crass. I didn't want to hear

617
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: the truth.

618
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

619
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: I just thought I wasn't your type or something. You

620
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: didn't have to go through my whole entire life anyway. Oh,

621
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: he continues, She ended up shedding a tear and excused

622
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: herself to it. It became awkward after that, so I

623
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: apologize to everyone for ruining the mood and left. I

624
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: told my girlfriend what happened, and she said, if that's

625
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: how I felt, then don't get hung up over it.

626
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: I've talked to the girls on the game since then,

627
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: and they stated they don't think that what I was

628
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: saying was cruel. I still haven't heard anything from Patter

629
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: or Katy, though usually they would be in the group chat,

630
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: but now they are silent. Ryan called and we discussed it,

631
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: and she said that's probably something that Laura needed here.

632
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh so now I'm here asking Am I the a

633
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: hole for explaining it the way that I did?

634
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: No, not, not at all.

635
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think there's always a kind way to say things.

636
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: But which you're an expert at I don't know what

637
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: you mean.

638
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: I'm very kind with my words, and I think that

639
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: you could have been a little less. But but also

640
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: she was pressure pressuring you and very adamant about you know,

641
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: like tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. And

642
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, I didn't want to do it, but

643
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: now you forced my hand type of deal. Yeah.

644
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

645
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't just him, it was everyone else was also

646
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: being like, he we don't need to do this.

647
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: All the other guys were like, no, it's fine.

648
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: She like wouldn't let it go.

649
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: He probably did try to be like, you're just not

650
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: my type and she's like, well, no, like why specifically am.

651
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I not your type? Yeah, And it's like okay, good dog,

652
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: you want to hear it, you don't hear it. Here

653
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: we go.

654
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: So I think I don't know. I don't think that

655
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: you're the a hole. I think she kind of, you know,

656
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: she was getting annoying with it, and it's like, okay, cool,

657
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: then I will tell you and guess what you asked

658
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: for it, So don't be hurt when I tell you what.

659
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: The truth is, ask and ye shall receive.

660
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Speaker 2: My best friend demanded I fly across the world for

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Speaker 3: You think I am a jetplane.

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Speaker 2: My friend Karen, thirty female, is getting married, and while

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Speaker 2: I'm super happy for her, she's planning a huge destination

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Speaker 2: wedding in the USA if we live in Europe. She

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Speaker 2: keeps calling it her real wedding, even though there's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be a smaller one in France where we can

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Speaker 2: all go, but we are not invited yet. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm Savannah.

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Speaker 2: We're here to give good at boss youthfully. But we

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Speaker 2: don't have all the answers to laughs questions. We only

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Speaker 2: know what we would do, So let us know what

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Speaker 2: you would do down in the comments, and Op says,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing. Karen is really pushing for my boyfriend

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Speaker 2: and me to go to the USA for this wedding.

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Speaker 2: I've tried to explain to her that I just don't

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: have that kind of money lying around her solution start

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00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: paying for flights now in small installments and figure the

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Speaker 2: rest out later. Honestly, though, I just don't have the

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Speaker 2: budget and this would eat up my holidays for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, which is not really how I want.

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Speaker 1: To spend it.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I love her and would be

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Speaker 2: so happy to see her on her big day.

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Speaker 1: But is it me or our brides.

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Speaker 2: Becoming total bridezillas with these crazy demands? Do we really

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Speaker 2: have to change all our plans because it's their year?

696
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: Why do so many weddings now feel like a massive

697
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: financial burden on the guests. Karen doesn't seem to understand

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Speaker 2: why I'm hesitating, and she keeps pushing us to get

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00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: the tickets, and I'm starting to get frustrated. Well, just

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00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: the first thing you do is you go, well, are

701
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Speaker 2: you gonna pay for them? Can you pay for them

702
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: for me? Can you afford to pay for my tickets? No?

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00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh, well I can't afford to pay for my tickets.

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00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: So we should both understand where we're coming from, Right,

705
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: you can't buy my tickets.

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Speaker 1: I can't buy my tickets. So what do we do?

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll see you in France anyway.

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00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: I even asked her about the second, more local celebration,

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00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: but she brushed it off and kept insisting on the

710
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Speaker 2: US wedding. Am I being unreasonable for wanting to skip

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Speaker 2: this whole destination wedding thing?

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Speaker 1: Uh? And there's an update, But no, you're not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you're being the a hole. I

714
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people want to do destination weddings,

715
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: which is like great, but like they also have to

716
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: understand that not everyone can afford to do that and

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00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: has the time to do that with like you know,

718
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: work job, whatever, financials, all of that. It's just like

719
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: a lot of people. We'll ask a lot. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think she should hold it against you that

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: you can't go because you're not financially in a position

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Speaker 3: to do that. That's just not fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Update one year and four months later.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to update because I genuinely don't know if

725
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: I lost one of my closest friendships over this.

726
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and bet you did. And that's okay,

727
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: because this is not your friend if she's going to

728
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: demand that anyway.

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Speaker 2: For background, we all live in Paris. That's Paris for

730
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: all of you uneducated slobs out there. She's She's American,

731
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 2: big family wedding in a beautiful wine region near where

732
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: her parents live. Very aesthetic, very instagram, very curated. The

733
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: groom is France. My boyfriend actually introduced them years ago.

734
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: We were not casual friends. We will see each other

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00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: every other day kind of friends. Wine nights, random dinners

736
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: during the week, group chats con instantly, and trips and

737
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: real life closeness. When the US wedding was announced, I

738
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: did the math between the flights and hotels and activities

739
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: like boat day and wine tours, et cetera. It would

740
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: have been close to four to five thousand for us

741
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: if we stayed a week. That is a huge amount

742
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: of money for us. And the entire Paris friend group

743
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: felt the same. No one here has family in the

744
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: US to combine it with. Before the US wedding, she

745
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: came to us with a big bouquet and a bottle

746
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: of wine and asked us to be bridesmaids and groomsmen.

747
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: It was filmed, very emotional, very moment. The thing is

748
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: I had already told her it was almost impossible for

749
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: us to go it felt like being emotionally cornered on camera.

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Speaker 1: That's because that's exactly what that was. Yeah.

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00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: She basically was just like say it, say it. It's

752
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: like those public proposals that people do and they're like

753
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. You want to do this right, and it's like, ah,

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00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: I yes. Uh.

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00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: We didn't say no in that moment, because how do

756
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: you it was awkward. A few days later I met

757
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: her alone and told her clearly we couldn't commit because

758
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: of money. We wouldn't be able to travel or do

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: anything else that year if we went.

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Speaker 1: She brushed it off. Yeah, you know, but something shifted.

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00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: How can you say, yeah, I know after you asked them.

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: To do it?

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: What is wrong with you?

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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? What?

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Speaker 1: There's an important detail.

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Speaker 2: Before the US wedding, we organized and fully paid for

767
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: a Portugal stag pen weekend for both of them.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing.

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00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: We put effort and money and time into celebrating them,

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00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: so it's not like we didn't show up in other ways.

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00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: Then two months later came the small French wedding. Yes

772
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: we got the invite. It was beautiful, intimate and so fun,

773
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Speaker 2: but she was different, distant and polite and surface level

774
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: not the person I used to sit with for hours

775
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: talking about everything. Now it's been about six or seven

776
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: months since that wedding. I've maybe seen her five times

777
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: every time.

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00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: Now, So that's a real shift.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and there is you know, I've heard that

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Speaker 1: I have heard that once you get married, it's like,

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00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, people see each other less. But I mean, yeah,

782
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: It does feel like she's taking I mean, and it

784
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: wasn't just you, right, did everyone else go on the trip?

785
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Did Is it anyone else noticing her being distant?

786
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, because like the thing is, even

787
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: if I get distant, like after a wedding, during the wedding,

788
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to be very excited to see like my

789
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: friends and you know, people that I love there to

790
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: celebrate with me. Like I don't know, I wouldn't be

791
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: like thanks for coming, Like no, I'd be jumping up

792
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: and down and be like let's go get drinks.

793
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a weird Energy's weird. Now every time

794
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: the group tries to meet, she makes excuses or insists

795
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: we come all the way to their place forty five

796
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: minutes outside Paris instead of just eating centrally where all

797
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: of us live. It feels like a subtle barrier. Meanwhile,

798
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: she messages my boyfriend weekly for work advice. Let's meet soon,

799
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: texts professional warmth, but with me, it's cold. How's work?

800
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: How's life? End of conversation. I've tried reaching out a

801
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: few let's get a coffee and chat messages always yes, soon,

802
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: but it never happens. After a while, I stopped chasing,

803
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: and I can't help but feel like I didn't fit

804
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: into the wedding storyline she imagined. The American bridesmaids flew in.

805
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: The Instagram content happened, the dream aesthetic was fulfilled, the

806
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: parish girls didn't. Did we get quietly downgraded? I don't

807
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: know if she is consciously resentful of us for not going,

808
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: or if weddings just reorganize people's emotional priorities, but it

809
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: feels like I lost someone who used to be one

810
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: of my closest friends, and that makes me really sad

811
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Speaker 2: Am I overthinking this. Did I underestimate how much not

812
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: going would hurt her? Or is this just what happens

813
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: when expectations don't match reality and there is a second update. Honestly, girl,

814
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: there's one way to do it and you just hit

815
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: her up, and whether it's just a phone call or

816
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: text messages, you just go, hey, I gotta get clear

817
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: with you because it feels like everything has kind of

818
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: shifted since the whole not going to the US wedding

819
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: thing happened.

820
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: So what's going on? Yeah, you feel different. I feel

821
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: there's a difference.

822
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: I feel like just being honest and having that conversation

823
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: is like, that's how you're gonna get your answers instead

824
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: of just sitting here and be like, am I the worst?

825
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: Like was I supposed to go? Is she mad at me?

826
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: You know how my other friends feel And it's like, girl,

827
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: if you want answers, go to the source.

828
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: That's how you're gonna know, Go get them answers.

829
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: She's gonna have them. I'm sure there's a second update.

830
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Speaker 2: Thank you everyone for you all comments. I just want

831
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: to clarify a few things. Accommodation in the US was

832
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: not included. The hotels and airbnbs that were suggested were

833
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: about three hundred dollars per night for one week, plus

834
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: flights plus act pivities, the wine tours one hundred fifty

835
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: of person, the boat day drinks or not included. Other excursions.

836
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: It really added up close to forty five thousand for

837
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: us as a couple. That is just too much for

838
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: our reality. It's honestly too much for almost any reality.

839
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

840
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Speaker 3: True. I mean, unless you like are really really well off,

841
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: but most people are not.

842
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Speaker 2: It was not about not caring. We organized and paid

843
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 2: for the Portugal weekend before we went to the French wedding.

844
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: We did celebrate them. And about the esthetic part, I

845
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: don't use Instagram or TikTok, but I saw through friends

846
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: that she posted reels of giving bouquets to the bridesmaids,

847
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: cutting us out. Obviously, the whole thing felt very curated.

848
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: Maybe that created expectations. Our group is very international. We

849
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: all met at an international company. Americans, Colombians, Portuguese, Spanish, French.

850
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Speaker 1: Oh my.

851
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: It was not about excluding her culture. It was just

852
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: money and about meeting now. Also, America has no culture

853
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: except jazz and barbecue. I can say that I'm American

854
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: and baseball, yeah yeah, and baseball.

855
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: There we go, and about meeting now. Paris is big.

856
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: We all commute thirty plus minutes every day and work central,

857
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 2: so it makes sense to meet there. I don't think

858
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: she's a bad person. I just think something changed and

859
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: it was never talked about. That is what hurts. I

860
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: just don't know if I have it in me to

861
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: confront her at this point.

862
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: Don't like that. That's the end of that story.

863
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, your friendship is gone if you

864
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: don't have the chutzpah to even just talk about it.

865
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, girl, if you really want this friendship to work,

866
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: just talk about it. Like you're saying, I feel like

867
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: I lost a friend. You know, she doesn't like me,

868
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: she hates me now and in yeah, and it's like okay,

869
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: then what you don't even know for sure what she's

870
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: feeling because you haven't talked to her. Literally, just do

871
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 3: like a day, like go up for like a day

872
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: over the weekend, Like just be like, oh, hey, I'm

873
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: gonna be up there Saturday. I want to spend the

874
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: day or want to do a dinner or you know,

875
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: like a nice brunch or something. I mean, forty five

876
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: minutes really isn't like that horrible of it? Drive? Yeah,

877
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: I mean depending on traffic, I guess, But like I

878
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: don't know, like you can just take a day and

879
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: be like I want to catch up. I feel like

880
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: we haven't seen each other. We've been kind of distant,

881
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: like let's just, you know, have a little girl's time

882
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: and then get into it and get answers. Opie, Yeah,

883
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: I mean you deserve them.

884
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: It's time to get into it. And that's the end

885
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: of this story. Let's head to the next one.

886
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: My wife refuse to treat her lice for months, so

887
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: I slept on the fouton what do you mean you

888
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: have lice? Hi, this is embarrassing. My twenty five male

889
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: wife twenty six female there we go, has had lice

890
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: for almost a year. How do you let that go

891
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: on for a year.

892
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 5: I've personally never had lice double knock on wood right now,

893
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 5: never had it double knock on wood, but I cannot.

894
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: I've had like other I've had.

895
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 5: I had a scalp condition that it was in dan drift,

896
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 5: but it was another like dry like it caused my

897
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: scalp to.

898
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: Beauty itchy, and that was torturous.

899
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: That's all.

900
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: We've been together for four years, have a couple of kids,

901
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: and are doing just fine. Just FYI, by the way,

902
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: this comes from Life's wife, my wife, my wife. Nice life.

903
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: And if you want to submit your own stories. Go

904
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: to the r slash Okay story time. So, Bret, I'm Savannah,

905
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm Sophia.

906
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: And I'm Vincent, and we are here to give some

907
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: good advice goofily.

908
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: But we do not have all the answers, but I

909
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe we do, but we don't. We would

910
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: love to know what you would do in the comments,

911
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: because we're gonna tell you what we're doing right now. Yeah, okay,

912
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: got it, Yeah.

913
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Go to work.

914
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: Okay. As Op says, my wife went for a haircut

915
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: like eight months ago and was embarrassed to find out

916
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: she had lice and they wouldn't cut her hair. We

917
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: assume she got it from a friend's daughter who we

918
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: hadn't seen in months, since she had lice and would

919
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: stay over often and even gave it to her son.

920
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: We used those lyce combs and treatment a few times,

921
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: but my wife has very long and fine hair, so

922
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: we miss some and accomplished virtually nothing. Now I'm not

923
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: upset because we've been unsuccessful. I'm upset because in the

924
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: last six months, my wife has not attempted any treatment

925
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: at all. She has been completely ignoring the problem and

926
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: gets annoyed at me when I bring it up. She

927
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 3: always has an excuse ready for why she can't do

928
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: anything about it at the moment, and has probably set

929
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: at least a dozen dates where she says she'll set

930
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: time aside to handle it, but something always comes up

931
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: or she just forgets No.

932
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: Genuinely, I would say you have to handle this right now,

933
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 5: and I would help her. I would because she's probably embarrassed.

934
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 5: I will help her as well.

935
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: I would say, Hey, we're gonna solve this right now. Cancel.

936
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 5: I don't care what you're doing.

937
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna get you to a doctor.

938
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this.

939
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna help you get it out because you guys

940
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 5: have kids. You can't be being around a kid and

941
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 5: giving them lice and then sending them to school.

942
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: Last week, she called a service that treats lice, but

943
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: didn't get a call back and never followed up. Girl

944
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: Now she says she'll call again next week because she

945
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: doesn't have any money. I don't want to lose my

946
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: family over such a seemingly stupid issue. But I really

947
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: just never saw myself married to someone who lacks the

948
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 3: resolve to get rid of a bug infestation in their

949
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: own hair. It's disgusting. It is a turn off. It's selfish.

950
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: She'll give it to me or my kids eventually, and

951
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: it is indicative of a much larger character flawed that

952
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: I can't quite put my finger on. Even aside from

953
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: all of that, the everyday nuance of having bugs in

954
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: her hair is very irritating.

955
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 5: We can't spoon, dude, I would I don't know, just

956
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 5: like based off of I mean, Savanna, I think you already.

957
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 3: Know what I would do, But I would not be

958
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: around her. I would be so far away from her.

959
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: She can't get a haircut, even though she desperately needs one.

960
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: She'll put her head on mine without thinking during spicies.

961
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: So you're having spicies and it will completely ruin the

962
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: mood for me, et cetera. Yeah, no, not doing anything

963
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: with that.

964
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: See this is the issue, Opie.

965
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: I think that you would get your way a lot

966
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 5: quicker if you said no spice to sleep, you said, hey,

967
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 5: please don't touch me until you get that sorted out.

968
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 5: Just set the boundary of like, hey, we're not going

969
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: to be at all physical and you're not going to

970
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: touch the kids until you sort that.

971
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: Out, and I'll help you. The worst thing is that

972
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: she's super insecure about it and also acts like nothing

973
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: is really wrong since she's getting it taken care of soon.

974
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: But she's been acting like this for over six months

975
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: and still treats me like I'm being a butt. If

976
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: I bring it up, she reacts like I'm making a

977
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 3: jab at her looks or her weight. I'm extremely confident

978
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: at this point that if I were to just ignore

979
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: the issue and let her handle it in her own time,

980
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 3: like I was doing for months, that this might possibly

981
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: never be resolved unless people here convince me it's a

982
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: stupid idea. I'm probably going to show her this. I've

983
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: tried talking to her about it, but it doesn't accomplish anything,

984
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: and she just immediately gets irritated and changes the subject.

985
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: There is an edit. There is a lot of misinformation

986
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: about lice here. Keep these facts in mind before adding

987
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: to the problem. Lice only survive off of the host

988
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: for like a day. They can't jump or fly, and

989
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: they don't carry disease. Oh, pets can't get lice. I

990
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 3: did learn that. I did learn that from my quick

991
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: Google serow. I one hundred percent do not have lice,

992
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: and neither do my kids, So please stop telling me

993
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: we do. There is an update four days later, who

994
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: after several months, have absolutely no progress. I really wasn't

995
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: expecting to have an update for you all after just

996
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: a few days, but here it is. I talked to

997
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: her when I got home and managed to find a

998
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: few minutes alone without distractions, and asked her for a

999
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: status update on the lice's removal. Long story short, I

1000
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 3: just met with another excuse as to why it would

1001
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: have to wait until next week, and my foot came down.

1002
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: I don't think she took it seriously until later on

1003
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: in the night when we went to bed, I slept

1004
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: on our futon instead of with her, and also turned

1005
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: her down for a spicy sleep, which is something that

1006
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: I am pretty sure has happened only like twice in

1007
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: our entire relationship. The very next day, she called and

1008
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: made an appointment to get professionally delost. I went with

1009
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: her to the appointment and they were able to check

1010
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: me as well. The woman did not find anything in

1011
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: my hair, even with a magnifying glass and a UV

1012
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: light that apparently makes the nitz glow. My wife was

1013
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: treated and is now lice free, ice free. Wow, it

1014
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: took so little time, literally like I would break up

1015
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: with her just based off how long a little time

1016
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: it took.

1017
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding. They're married.

1018
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: We talked afterwards about why it took so long for

1019
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: her to get it taken care of. Many of you

1020
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: were right. She was embarrassed, broke, discouraged from the hours

1021
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: we wasted trying to treat it ourselves in the beginning,

1022
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: and it was just easier for her to not think

1023
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: about it. Also, once we moved into my parents' house,

1024
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: she was even more embarrassed and did not want them

1025
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: to know about it. Pretty Much all of the at

1026
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: home treatments would be passway gave away. She apologized, vacuumed,

1027
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: did all of our laundry embedding, and we have put

1028
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: this annoyance behind us. We also checked our son when

1029
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: he got home from school, and he's in the clear too,

1030
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: So that's that. Still have to get to the bottom

1031
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: of why someone would think it's preferable to have lice

1032
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: than to deal with the embarrassment of people knowing you

1033
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: have lice. But I think that's one of those pesky

1034
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: communication things that we have to work on. Thanks very

1035
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: much to those of you that responded with legitimate advice.

1036
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: I got over one hundred pms after my post was

1037
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 3: locked regarding life's treatments that you found successful. Lol, since

1038
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: the last post got a ton more attention than I

1039
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: was expecting and the comments were like sixty percent misinformation

1040
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: about lice all clear? Few things up with info that

1041
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: I learned from the professionals at the lausing clinic. I

1042
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: hope this isn't against the r delousing is that's what

1043
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: it's called?

1044
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, a laos is a singular lice.

1045
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: Wow, how do you know that laos?

1046
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: You look at smart.

1047
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 7: He's so smart he knows.

1048
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: And small words. One wait, one lice is a louse.

1049
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: So one louse is a louse. M a lice? Multiple

1050
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: louses a lice? Oh, it's like mouse and mice. I mean,

1051
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: anyone else get that connection?

1052
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: Just me?

1053
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 5: Look at this smarty pants in a year, Someone give

1054
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 5: her an award.

1055
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: Biggest smarty pants in the house. What happened next? Here's

1056
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: some lice facts. Lice can't live anywhere except on a

1057
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: human head, and they pass away about twenty four hours

1058
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: if they are away. I feel like.

1059
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 5: You've solved it for now, but definitely have a big

1060
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: conversation about this.

1061
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: Can happen in the future. Yeah, I agree.

1062
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 3: I think being like, okay, cool. Now we know how

1063
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: easy it is next time it happens. If it does,

1064
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: we're doing this as soon as we know, as soon

1065
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: as we know getting rid of it. Since they pass

1066
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: away so quickly, it's not possible to have a lice

1067
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 3: infestation in your home or on your furniture. All we

1068
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: were told to do to make sure she doesn't get

1069
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 3: reinfected from a stray louse was to either stay away

1070
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 3: from unwashed pillow, slash, slash, hat slash bedding for a

1071
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: couple days, or to wash it in hot water. Some

1072
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: people are immune to lice in different families. The word

1073
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: the de Lauser used of lice only like certain types

1074
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: of hair. In other words, it's entirely possible to live

1075
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: with someone with lice and not get lice.

1076
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: It says, no one is truly one hundred percent immune

1077
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: to lice, as anyone with hair can get them, regardless

1078
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: of cleanliness. However, some individuals, if you're bald, I don't

1079
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 5: think you can get if you have alopecia, huh, I

1080
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 5: don't think you can get lice if you're bald. However,

1081
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: some individuals are significantly less susceptible due to factors like

1082
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 5: hair texture, tightly coiled hair makes it hard for lice

1083
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 5: to grip, or potential though unproven biological factors.

1084
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1085
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 5: So it says, like black individuals that hair type is

1086
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 5: less likely to get head lice because the air shop

1087
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 5: shape makes it hard for lice to grasp and attach

1088
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: the riggs.

1089
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 3: That is interesting.

1090
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 5: Then you freaking know, and it says myths versus reality.

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00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: Lies do not prefer dirty.

1092
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: Hair over clean hair.

1093
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 5: They are simply looking for a warm human head.

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00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: Aw, me too.

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Speaker 4: I asked my husband to skip his best friend's wedding.

1100
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Speaker 4: He walked out.

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00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 3: Wait, he walked out on the wedding or walked out

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Speaker 3: on you.

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00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: God, talk about a bad situation. This has been a

1104
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 4: massive rough patch in our relationship and I don't know

1105
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: how much I am to blame. I twenty seven female,

1106
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 4: met my husband Roger, twenty five male, five years ago

1107
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: at college and we started dating. Meeting each other's families

1108
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: and friends and getting married last night. By the way,

1109
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: this comes from Throwaway four and a few nesp your

1110
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: own stories go to the rm slash Okay storytime subreddit.

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00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 4: I'm Riley, I'm Savannah and ham Ben sounds and we're

1112
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: here to be goofy and you're here to comment about

1113
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 4: your real experiences. Nothing less and hope, he says. One

1114
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 4: of Roger's best friends is Camilla twenty six female as Emmett,

1115
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 4: junior year of high school. Roger had unreturned feelings for

1116
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 4: Camilla for like two years before he got over her

1117
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: five months later is when he met me. I'd be

1118
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: lying if I said I didn't have my issues in

1119
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: insecurities with Camilla in the beginning. I was already wary

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 4: of Roger's previous feelings, and Camilla rarely ever tried to

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00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: initiate conversation and just acted nervous with me. On top

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00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 4: of that, Camilla acted touchy with Roger, hands around waist

1123
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 4: during photos or bops on the head and shoulder. While

1124
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 4: she's touchy with all of her friends. It felt Hella

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00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: inappropriate and disrespectful. Politely asked Camilla to stop, and she apologized.

1126
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: But got defensive. An argument happened, and we were always

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00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 4: on ify to okay terms after that. So Roger assured

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 4: me that he'd loved me and had no feelings for Camilla,

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00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: and I continued to trust him after that. Over a

1130
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 4: year ago, Camilla got engaged to her boyfriend of now

1131
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: three years, Lucas Mail twenty three. Yay, she is no

1132
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: longer an issue.

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00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

1134
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: So, however, my parents announced a month ago that they

1135
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: planned and paid for a surprise visit for the family

1136
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 4: to go to New York in early September. My dad

1137
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: is going down there to meet some college friends, and

1138
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 4: he figured he'd be fun for everyone to go down

1139
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 4: that weekend. Excited, I told Roger last night we had

1140
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: to go, but he reminded me that Camilla's wedding was

1141
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 4: that weekend. Roger said he and Camilla and their friends

1142
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 4: also wanted to watch season five of some show called

1143
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: Cobra Kai. Frustrated, I told Roger that I was already

1144
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 4: willing to go in the first place, despite the fact

1145
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: that Camilla and I don't get along, and I was

1146
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 4: only going to do it for him. I knew how

1147
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: much of a history the two of them had and

1148
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: how close they stayed, so I genuinely did understand. However,

1149
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 4: how many butts and however is are you gonna put

1150
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: in this opie? I told Roger that my family commitments

1151
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: have to come first and that he can't disrespect me

1152
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: and my family by turning this trip down.

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00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 7: There's an ultimatum, but also, like in that relationship, I

1154
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 7: feel like that's an okay thing to ask. It's not

1155
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 7: an unjust ultimatum. It's like, hey, what do you value

1156
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 7: more this person that I'm designing to, that you're designing

1157
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 7: to spend your life with, or your old friend.

1158
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: Roger said that he was sorry Camilla hasn't been there

1159
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: for him since they were teenagers, and that he didn't

1160
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: want to miss the special day of one of his

1161
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: best friends getting married. I cried a little, as it

1162
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 4: seems he is prioritizing this one girl he knows gets

1163
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: under my skin over his own wife and in laws.

1164
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: This led to a really bad fight, and Roger packed

1165
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 4: his bags and left the house. My parents respected Roger's decision,

1166
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: but my brother and sister in law agree with me

1167
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: that Roger should come. My friends are split on this,

1168
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: and Roger's been staying at buddy's house. Since last night,

1169
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 4: some of Roger's friends have texted me that I'm being

1170
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 4: unreasonable and selfish, but Camilla and Lucas have not said

1171
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: anything to me. Am I the A hole? I think

1172
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 4: we already know what they think. Vincent's savannah one word

1173
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 4: is OP the A hole? Yes or no? Yes, yes, Vincent.

1174
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 7: I'm gonna flip flop and say yes all right because

1175
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 7: I put myself in the situation. If if I couldn't

1176
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 7: go to my buddy's wedding that I've been friends with

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 7: since preschool, that'd be an issue.

1178
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 4: Edits people need to stop assuming this has to do

1179
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: with my insecurities or dislike a Camilla and their friendship

1180
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: with Roger. I've already admitted to being insecure in the

1181
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 4: beginning before Roger and I talked about it. But regardless,

1182
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 4: Camilla still gave me reasons to be sussed out with

1183
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: the things I described in my post, So.

1184
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: Then she's not over it.

1185
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 4: It's my family over this one girl that I am on.

1186
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: If he terms with anyone in my situation would prioritize

1187
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: the former. I understand why Roger is upset, but he

1188
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 4: needs to see my point of view. More, and I've

1189
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: been trying to do that with him. Edit too, Okay,

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00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: I was not expecting this to blow up as much

1191
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 4: as it did. It seems a majority of the people

1192
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: think I'm the ahole here. A few understand where I'm

1193
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: coming from, and I appreciate that. But in the past

1194
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 4: several hours I have been thinking of a lot and

1195
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: reflecting a lot for me. But at the same time,

1196
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people are forgetting I'm

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: still human and with feelings and flaws. I do sincerely

1198
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: trust Roger and I know he wouldn't cheat, but even then,

1199
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 4: something always seems to be slightly off with Kamilla. Maybe

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00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 4: it's because she'll barely talk to me, or because some

1201
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: mutual friends have cracked jokes about the feud. I don't know.

1202
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: I could be handling all this better. I mean, yeah,

1203
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: that's a lot easier said than done, but can we

1204
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: all just do our best?

1205
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 6: Regardless?

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 4: Camilla ended up privately texting me an hour ago. Finally,

1207
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: she told me she's in a way too shocked to

1208
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 4: even express how angry she is about the whole thing.

1209
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: She's accused me of never giving her a chance and

1210
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: always letting some bs past crush affect everything. She's acknowledged.

1211
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 4: Roger indeed had various serious feelings for her in high school,

1212
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 4: but they both moved past it, and that he's choosing

1213
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: to love me and spend my life with me. Camillas

1214
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: said it'll break her heart if Roger doesn't get to

1215
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 4: see her get married, especially since our friendship goes back

1216
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 4: to eighth period study hall junior year. I haven't responded yet.

1217
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: I don't know how I'm gonna Roger texted me ten

1218
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 4: minutes ago that he's gonna be home around eight to

1219
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: nine hours and he wants to talk.

1220
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: Then.

1221
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 4: I agree. I'll keep you all updated on how that goes.

1222
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: Roger came home around three hours ago. We had to

1223
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 4: talk about an hour's long, but Roger started off by

1224
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: saying he was standing his ground with going to the wedding.

1225
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: He asserted that he committed to his best friend's wedding

1226
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: first before some surprise family trip, and that not going

1227
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: would be insulting and absolutely terrible for their friendship. Roger

1228
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: also apologized if I still felt insecure about his past

1229
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 4: feelings and friendship with Camilla, but that he didn't know

1230
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 4: what else he could do for me but to just

1231
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 4: trust him. He literally said, I've been doing my best

1232
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 4: for the the past five years, and somehow you still

1233
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: want to be enemies with one of my closest friends.

1234
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 4: After like twenty seconds, I broke down sobbing. At that point,

1235
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: seeing my husband so defeated took a lot out of me,

1236
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: and I repeatedly apologized as I buried my face in

1237
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 4: my hands and cried. After that, we took the next

1238
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 4: few hours to talk about everything. Truth be told, I

1239
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: was convinced for the longest time that I truly did

1240
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 4: trust Roger and that any will I had towards Camillo

1241
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 4: was just because I got cold in a weird vibe

1242
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: from her. However, reading through the massive amounts of comments

1243
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: on my posts and reminiscing on the past five years

1244
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 4: did a lot from me. We are the clouds clearing

1245
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: up here.

1246
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 7: I think they might be I think she's I think

1247
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 7: Op's coming around.

1248
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 4: I love Roger and I always have and I wouldn't

1249
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: want anything to risk effing our relationship up. And yes,

1250
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna swallow my pride and admit it, but I

1251
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 4: think I've always been a jealous person.

1252
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: Girl we became We've been new this all time. So

1253
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: you're jealous and insecure at both of the worst qualities

1254
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: in person.

1255
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 4: But but but for growth. But we have growth.

1256
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: But now you know that you are.

1257
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's realizing it.

1258
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 4: Yes, fifty percent of solving the problem is understanding the problem.

1259
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 4: I'm proud. Even since I was a teenager, I had

1260
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: a habit of getting jealous when any of the guys

1261
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: I went out with had female friends. Though I never

1262
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: outright told any of the guys to drop their friends.

1263
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 4: That habit eventually passed away. But there was something deep

1264
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 4: with Camilla. I think, deep down throughout dating Roger always

1265
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 4: had some underlying fear that I was just Roger's second

1266
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: choice after you had gotten over Camilla, that he dumped

1267
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 4: me in a heartbeat if she ever changed her mind

1268
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 4: about him. This was something that calm really helped me realize,

1269
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: even if some people were a bit too heck bent

1270
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: on tearing me a new one. Still, our relationship has

1271
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 4: had a lot of high points, and I get along

1272
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 4: with his family and other girler guy friends. Now, my

1273
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 4: parents really did have the best intentions planning that trip,

1274
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 4: and they really did think we were free. To all

1275
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 4: the conspiracy theorists who thought I planned the whole thing

1276
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 4: that is not true. I was about to throw that

1277
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: out there.

1278
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: Wow, I thought she was like.

1279
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 4: Oh, this is the only way he couldn't go. However,

1280
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: I do realize now that it was wrong of me

1281
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 4: to try and force Roger into going along with something

1282
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 4: so impromptu instead of his best friend's wedding. I told

1283
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 4: all of this to Roger as I finally apologized, and

1284
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: he forgave me.

1285
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 6: Yes, what you're not sold, you're not.

1286
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: Let's confront the board, all right, So we got some

1287
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: growth happening all over this board. Growth. She still doesn't

1288
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 3: like Camilla for absolutely no reason at all. She's an

1289
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: insecure witch. But I'll give her that. I'll give her

1290
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 3: the growth. But what the main thing is is go

1291
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: get therapy, girl, Go get therapy, because you're not doing

1292
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: any of this healthily, like her being like, yeah, just

1293
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 3: I've realized from reading all of your guys's opinions about me,

1294
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 3: and I am a witch and I have a lot

1295
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 3: of insecurity and jealousy problems. And maybe you know, she

1296
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: never even mentioned therapy, but I think.

1297
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: She should get a therapy of course, because.

1298
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, we've been together five years and I

1299
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: still think that he would choose her in a heartbeat.

1300
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: Oh that's so tough.

1301
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 6: So Savannah, you're calling crocodile tears on this.

1302
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh for sure. No she doesn't. You don't

1303
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: just all of a sudden, like have an epiphany. You're like,

1304
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm a changed woman now.

1305
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 4: I thought we were making really good growth here and Ope,

1306
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: see this is what I think. Vincent, don't you think

1307
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: that if Op reached out to Camilla and they just

1308
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 4: had it out over brunch or just talked, they'd be fine?

1309
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: No, because she needs her therapy, because she's gonna just

1310
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: be She's gonna Can't.

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Speaker 4: She be vulnerable with Camilla?

1312
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 3: No, she would never be vulnerable.

1313
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 4: Let's say that she did, Vincent, don't you think that

1314
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 4: would maybe help?

1315
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 6: I think I think you're both right.

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01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 7: I think that Op should go to therapy, work through

1317
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 7: whatever is going on, and then go have brunch, give

1318
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 7: Camilla to apologize that she is oh the apology that

1319
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 7: she's owed, and be like, hey, I know I've caused

1320
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 7: all this stuff, but if you're willing to, I would

1321
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 7: still like to have a friendship if that's what they want,

1322
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 7: because we both care about this person. My fiance your

1323
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 7: old friend. I think, I think that I think you're

1324
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 7: both right, but there's an order of operations.

1325
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 4: However, Roger said things really need to change with the

1326
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: insecurity and that whether I come along on the wedding

1327
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 4: or go hang with my family is completely up to me.

1328
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: Regardless.

1329
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 4: I took the suggestions of many and told Rogers I

1330
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 4: look into individual counseling and therapy to address my trust issues.

1331
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 4: Roger also said I should really get to know Camilla

1332
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 4: as she is still open minded to getting to know me,

1333
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 4: and that we could maybe move towards a friendship.

1334
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: Question mark, Camilla's nice, that's I think.

1335
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 4: She still needs to see some more walking.

1336
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 6: Savannah's not having it. I'm sorry, you're just like nothing.

1337
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm not because like she was so controlling and the

1338
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 3: fact that she's he needs to see my point of view,

1339
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: Like really, how about you let your let your husband

1340
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 3: go to his friend's wedding and you don't have to

1341
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: go then if and then but then that's not a

1342
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: that's not you know, a solution either, because like then

1343
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm not there, that it's not about me, and then

1344
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: then I'm not invited, Then then what's gonna happen with me.

1345
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna think that's weird that I'm not with him.

1346
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 4: If I was Camilla, I would be holding a grudge

1347
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 4: about this forever, but still be nice to her. That's

1348
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 4: how it works.

1349
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's like you never really forget, but then

1350
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 3: it's like I do.

1351
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 7: Is it more of like a I forgive you, but

1352
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 7: I won't forget this that.

1353
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: Sort of thing, not even forgiveness. It's not even a forgiveness.

1354
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: It's more just like I don't know. I I just

1355
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: want to associate myself with you, and that's on you.

1356
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: Like I haven't done anything wrong, But in the case

1357
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 3: that I have done something wrong, I would fess up

1358
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: to and be like, listen, that was not that was

1359
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: not good on me. I will admit that that was

1360
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: my fault. I have no problemitting when I'm wrong like

1361
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: that is like not one of my personality traits.

1362
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 4: I doubt we'll ever get that close, but who knows.

1363
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 4: Oh Pee dream Dream.

1364
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh.

1365
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 4: And by the way, Isoe Roger the post and all

1366
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 4: the comments. He appreciates everyone that defended him, but he

1367
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 4: agrees with me that this was too extreme of people

1368
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: to outright suggest or assume we were divorcing. Thank you

1369
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 4: to everyone that genuinely tried to help me and talk

1370
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 4: to me, including those who private message to me. I

1371
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 4: just haven't responded to anyone cuz I'm not really sure

1372
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 4: how else I could have said all those points. However,

1373
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 4: I do not appreciate those who attacked my relationships severely.

1374
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 4: That especially goes for some of the immature messages I've received.

1375
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 4: I haven't decided whether I'll go to the wedding or

1376
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 4: New York yet, and I've accepted that I was the

1377
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 4: a hole here. How have you not? Oh my, the

1378
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 4: answer is the wedding.

1379
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: See, she doesn't get it. She she doesn't. She has

1380
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: this like superiority mindset of like like because when you're

1381
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 3: jealous and insecure, it blocks a whole lot from your

1382
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 3: view because you just see this like no matter anything

1383
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: else that's going on, you just see oh, like she

1384
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: is a threat, even though what did she do. She

1385
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: never did anything to you. This was way before you

1386
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: even met so but some girls are like that. I'm

1387
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: not I don't care.

1388
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: And that's the end of this story.