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Speaker 1: What part of the city do you live in? Okay, bad, bunny, warm,

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Speaker 1: but not quite Try a different genre, a little more

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Speaker 2: Okay, but how is from La bar Radia?

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Speaker 1: Not on theme with me, Joseph, It's Verano. We're in

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Speaker 1: New York City. Mark Anthony da Than, otherwise known as

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Speaker 1: Marco Anton, the proud Puerto Rican singer that changed the

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Speaker 2: It, Born and raised in New York to the rhythm

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Speaker 1: Named one of the best singers of all time by

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. Mind you iconic if you ask me, we

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Speaker 1: And it tracks because how a man that keeps such

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Speaker 2: Globe and why does the eye all that genius find

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Speaker 1: Today, we're looking back on his humble beginnings before all

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Speaker 1: the Grammys to uncover the secret to his success.

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Speaker 2: From his start as a backup vocalist for hire to

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Speaker 1: We'll also explore how Mark managed to make salsa a

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Speaker 2: So get your dancing shoes on, because we're looking back

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Speaker 2: on the phenomenal career of one of the best, Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Liliana Oscuez and I'm Joseph Carrio and

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Speaker 1: this is Becoming an icon a weekly podcast where we

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Speaker 1: give you the rundown on how today's most famous latinv

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Speaker 1: stars have shaped pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And given the world some extra tubble.

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Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how,

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Speaker 2: with buenas vis.

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Speaker 1: Buenasriesas and a lot of opinions as we relive their

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Speaker 1: greatest achievements on our journey to find out what makes

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Speaker 1: them so iconic. Okay, so before you dive into your

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Speaker 1: Walter mcgado persona. Let the listeners know where we're recording

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Speaker 1: today in New Yo, which is so appropriate for the

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Speaker 1: artist we're going to be talking about today. Tell me

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Speaker 1: a bit about your relationship with Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, you've never been romantically involved that I know.

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Speaker 1: Of your impressions of him before we started researching and

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's an amazing singer. Facts. I know he sings

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Speaker 2: salsa and I saw him in the movie in.

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Speaker 1: The Heights for like one second.

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Speaker 2: That's that's That's what I That's what happened.

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Speaker 1: That's all. Is that prior to recording this and prior

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Speaker 1: to researching the show, that is all you knew of Mark?

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Speaker 2: Like, I knew he had a very sexy voice. I

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now, when was the first time you heard Mark?

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Speaker 2: Like I never knew anything about him honestly before what

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Speaker 2: I know, but my parents didn't listen to this music.

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Speaker 1: See you bring up such an interesting point. So Joseph

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Speaker 1: recap for our listeners that have not been listening the

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Speaker 1: little background. I am half Mexican and half Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 2: And I am all Mexican from Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so happy that you are so honest about

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Speaker 1: your experience with salza because sometimes I think that non

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that because it was not my parents' music.

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Speaker 1: And I think what you're talking about specifically, and we're

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Speaker 1: There's this real distance divide in like elder salsa and

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Speaker 1: So Elder Salsa for you guys listening, that is the

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Speaker 1: her pump up song, like my dad Puerto Rican is

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Speaker 1: Now that we've talked about salsa, let's focus in on

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Speaker 1: Mark Anthony, the man that changed the game when it

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Speaker 2: Can I do my bit now?

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Speaker 1: Please go crazy?

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Speaker 2: Cue the music? Mm hmmm, yes, yes, I see it all.

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Speaker 2: He was born September sixteenth, nineteen sixty eight. What excuse.

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Speaker 2: He's a virgo and his moon is in cancer. Please

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Speaker 2: hold I'm tapping into the universe and to my cranial

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Speaker 2: sacral therapy. Okay, he's observant and realistic, but he's also

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Speaker 1: And he's always been in touch with that more sensitive,

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Speaker 2: Mark has a thing for the beauty quaints and she's.

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Speaker 1: Gorgina tomorrow a word from Joseph like she's stunning. And

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Speaker 1: married before. Were like, Mark, you've been here, buddy, three times.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into any of his many romantic relationships,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm always down to chat about those,

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Speaker 1: let's first focus on the artistry. He's been named the

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Speaker 1: top selling tropical salza artist of all time, holding the

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Speaker 1: That's thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Oh he knows how it makes some hit. At thirty two.

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Speaker 1: With over twelve million albums sold worldwide, you can't picture

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Speaker 1: salsa without him, his face and those aviators popping up

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Speaker 2: Which, to be honest, it gets very weird. If you're

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Speaker 1: It back Joseph and I wonder if our listeners are

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Speaker 1: started to talk about Mark Anthony. How did it all start?

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Speaker 2: Mark Anthony was born Marco Antonio Monice. His namesake was

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Speaker 2: Dam Girl, Puerto Ricosta. Alla.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a reason the hottest artist in

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Speaker 1: And Girl, by the way, if you haven't listened to

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Mexican singer. So he would

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Speaker 2: So it's almost like Mark Anthony's parents manifested his singing

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Speaker 1: His parents definitely set up baby Mark for a bright future,

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Speaker 1: His mother, geyerm Nakignonez, on the other hand, was a housewife.

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Speaker 1: According to Mark, he says that growing up he was

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Speaker 1: though baby Mark was the light of his eyes. But

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Speaker 1: Mark says he was an awkward kid. They raised him

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Speaker 1: in East Harlem aka Spanish Harlem ak El Barrio, and

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Speaker 2: Children, giving strong Bruno mars.

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Speaker 1: Vibes now, I want him to clab wait a second,

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Speaker 1: though Brunito got it from him. Respetos okay. But like Brunito,

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Speaker 1: Mark's love for music began at home, except Mark learned

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Speaker 1: how to sing in both Spanish and English. His father

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Speaker 2: His father also learned from some of the best teachers

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Speaker 1: Wait personally, well, no.

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Speaker 2: But these were the artise. Thus he grew up with

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Speaker 1: Wait, there is one musician you forgot to mention in

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Speaker 1: that list. Tito Puente, elre de los Timballes, or just

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Speaker 1: respect on that name, okay. So Tito was known for

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Speaker 1: Do you want to know the most important lesson he

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Speaker 2: Oh, always put down the seat.

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Speaker 1: What No? But also yes, or you're never divided to

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Speaker 1: He said to Mark son, we're ugly, work on your personality.

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Speaker 2: Shut your butt. No, he did not say that to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I cannot speak to how Mark felt

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Speaker 2: Yo, the eighties are a whack neon everything, teased hair,

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Speaker 1: ABBA's bulevou while teenage Mark Anthony was busting his ass

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Speaker 2: Free, Free Bitch.

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Speaker 1: I would never I know, but you know, we all

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Speaker 1: That he didn't want to be a salsa singer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, plot twist of the century. What did he want

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Speaker 1: Vocalist for freestyle music?

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Speaker 2: You mean so sa? Nope?

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Speaker 1: Mark Anthony started in Latin freestyle.

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Speaker 2: And what is that for the kiddos?

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Speaker 1: And w okay? So freestyle is a form of electronic

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Speaker 2: With it anyway. It emerged in New York and Philly,

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Speaker 1: Does the name Lisa Lisa ring a bell? She is

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, she was wondering if she could

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Speaker 1: Mark Anthony started his career with underground New York house

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Speaker 1: Often he was collaborating with groups like Manudl and the

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Speaker 2: Right the ones that by the beach.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to make a name for himself, but that's

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mammy, Pappy, Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, though, he was still getting great opportunities now that

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Speaker 2: Why is he singing backup with those pipes?

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Speaker 1: Great question. It turns out that he didn't believe he

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Speaker 2: That's very Selena Gomez of him, because Confienza.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Because, by the way, if you

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Speaker 1: Though, Joseph, Joseph, there is no situation that you were

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Speaker 2: I do want to tell you something. I'm being very

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Speaker 2: I assisted. I assisted Pat McGrath, and it was truly

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Speaker 2: What are these great people doing? And I want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you have such main character energy, you know

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Speaker 1: And I think Mark and Selena both kind of took

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Speaker 2: It was easier to lend his voice and lyrics, gain

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Speaker 2: Plus he had the stacked rolodex from all the people

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Speaker 1: Do people know what a rolodex is? Kids? Again, with

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Speaker 2: I get, no, don't don't even like an artifact. Let's

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Speaker 1: Mark Anthony, with his stacked rolodex, was willing to do

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Speaker 2: And no, it wasn't Suldsa.

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Speaker 1: Lyrically, Rebel was very much his version of Michael Jackson's Bad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have to say it. We know Mark clearly

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Speaker 1: It's very of the eighties. Well it is, so there's that.

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Speaker 1: That's a positive. I love eighties music, Okay, okay, And

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Speaker 1: And in nineteen eighty eight, he also wrote and produced

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Speaker 1: A Boy I've Been Told for another freestyle artist, Wilma Cosme,

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Speaker 2: What okay? This episode is turning into the kind of

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Speaker 1: You're telling me. Wilma or Safiede was born in San Juan,

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Speaker 2: It's insane how much of music history involving marginalized communities

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Speaker 1: They both started out as session vocalist.

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Speaker 1: And over the next few years he's sang backup for

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Speaker 2: And they were all club hits.

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Speaker 1: Especially right on the Rhythm and When the Night Is Over,

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Speaker 2: Mark's rising fame in the freestyle scene got the attention

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Speaker 1: By nineteen ninety two, Mark Anthony was invited to be

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, Mark Anthony had the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: His freestyle days were over and it was all about salsa. Now.

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Speaker 1: We won't get into the full history of salsa. We've

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Speaker 2: Radical when they opened the door first started, it's a

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't until the seventies that the term salsa

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Speaker 2: Well, its origins were Caribbean af it really turned into

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Speaker 1: And up until the eighties, salsa had focused its attention

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Speaker 2: Hop, and many salsa purists couldn't stand it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to take it back to one of

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Speaker 1: it's got to evolve as a genre, otherwise it'll die.

439
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: And that's the same battle that was happening with salsa

440
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: here in New York. If people like Mark Anthony didn't

441
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: incorporate and infuse this modern sound, that salsa that we

442
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: know and love was gonna go away. And like, what

443
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: a sad moment for us to not have this more

444
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: modern music, and it also eventually brought people together. And

445
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: Mark had always been wary of becoming a salsa musician

446
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: in the first place, so he was in for a fight.

447
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: It even took some convincing. Beyond performing with Tito Puente,

448
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Ralph Mercado, president of r MM Records at the time,

449
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: had to step in.

450
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: He initially had approached Anthony to make a salsa album,

451
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: but Mark had said gracias, spittle, no gracias.

452
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't until that night with Tito Puente that he

453
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: was convinced. Well, that and a song blaring from a taxi.

454
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: And that was Juan Gabriel's, and then it all clicked.

455
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: He realized there was room for him to thrive in

456
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: this space in his own style. Also, Wanga Forever. That

457
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: man is a fucking legend, and that song is like

458
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: when he sings that song, that is somebody singing from

459
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: their heart, from like deep in their soul.

460
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: So our boy called up Ralph Mercado and said, please

461
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: forgive me. I didn't know what I was saying, Let's

462
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: do the effing record.

463
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: I don't think those were the exact words, but whatever

464
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: he said, Mercado didn't hesitate because there was no time

465
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: to waste. Mark released his Spanish language debut Otota in

466
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Mark covered Wangabriel's song Asked to get

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: the Guanosi as a salsa song, and from there through

468
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the album.

469
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: Serchio George, the producer of the record, described it as

470
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: a total experiment.

471
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: They literally had zero budget and had to record one

472
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: musician at a time.

473
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: They didn't even have.

474
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: A band podcast kind of He has very bare bones,

475
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: inspired by the artist he grew up with. Ota was

476
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: a strong day. Everyone quickly understood that Mark meant business.

477
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: He then went on to open for Ruben Bladies.

478
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: After opening for the Panamanian singer, word of mouth intensified.

479
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: Just within the early nineties, he had sold more salsa

480
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: records than any other musician or performer on the planet.

481
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: This new kid on the block had become one of

482
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: the most important artists of the salsa canon.

483
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: But there was someone else rising up with him. In

484
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Mark Anthony was featured on La India's

485
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: album Decent Gessoi. La India aka Linda Vieira Gaballerro is

486
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican singer and songwriter.

487
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Both Mark and her were coming up in the salsa scene,

488
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: so they did what any fresh newcomers would do, collaborate

489
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: expand their audiences.

490
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: The track was called Vivir le Nuestro. It's an iconic

491
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: ballad of wanting to be together without fear, to live

492
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: a passionate love affair.

493
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: This song is a must play at any carnesada or

494
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: salsa club.

495
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: Both of them sang this live when it first came out.

496
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: Mark was rocking his long cardly locks. He was also

497
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: in his vest phase and Latindia was wearing the sparkliest

498
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: get up.

499
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: They took the stage and filled it up with their voices,

500
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: their passion for this sound, and they were accompanied by

501
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: an orchestra that took the performance to the next level.

502
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Both Mark and India had grown up listening to salsa,

503
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: but they had related it to their parents. It wasn't

504
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: considered cool, which of course is what led them to

505
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: house music and Latin freestyle. But now thanks to them,

506
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: latinos in their twenties were bonding with their parents over

507
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: the music they were making.

508
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: It was bringing generations together.

509
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Here's what Mark Anthony said about that during the house era,

510
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: you'd have the radio on and your mom or dad

511
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: would be yelling, kita vessol, turn that noise off. But

512
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: now with the new music, they ask you to turn

513
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: it up. That's really something. This is music we can

514
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: listen to with.

515
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: Our parents, and the industry agreed.

516
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony's nineteen ninety five album Tholoas with Temple won

517
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: him the Billboard Award for Hot Tropical Artists of the Year.

518
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: The album also earned him a nomination for a Grammy.

519
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: And it was all these successes that led him to

520
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: future WiFi j Lo.

521
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: The two recorded their duet Nomamis for her album on

522
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: the six, helping her with her Spanish language crossover. Remember,

523
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Mark started a career in English and successfully switched over

524
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: to Spanish. He was doing what Jaylo wanted. Who could

525
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: have been a better mentor.

526
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Well, just go back and listen to our Jalo episode

527
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: and then return to us.

528
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Anyways, Jlo and Mark didn't get together immediately. They worked

529
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: together and then went on their separate ways.

530
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: The news originally got out thanks to Ralph Mercado, that

531
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: Mark was recording an English album, but Mark was like, Yo,

532
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: why did you tell him that I'm never recording salsa

533
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: in English?

534
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: Okay, truthfully, it wasn't really a never gonna happen situation.

535
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: He just wanted to do it when he felt ready.

536
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: And by this time there was also legal drama going

537
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: on between the two. Mark and Megado had a couple

538
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: of disputes over Megadalo's business practices because Mark suspected he

539
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: wasn't receiving the money he was owed. And that's when

540
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Tommy Mantola stepped.

541
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: In chaw not this guy again.

542
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Well, in this scenario, he actually helped Mark out. Medgado

543
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: wasn't allowing Anthony to leave r MM Records because he

544
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: said he was still owed four more albums per Anthony's contract.

545
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: Read the contracts, y'all. Matola then approached Anthony and offered

546
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: him a contract with Columbia Records to record an English

547
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: album during this peak crossover period. Medgado then stepped in

548
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: again and was like, nafam, you can't do that. So

549
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Mark sued him and Medgago countersued. It was messy, but

550
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: in the end they all settled. RMM would retain the

551
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: rights to Mark's earlier work, plus the right to release

552
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: the Greatest Hits collection. As for Mark, he would no

553
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: longer have to work with RMM. Now he was with

554
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Columbia Records and Motola got him the best of the.

555
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: Best, and I Need to Know was released.

556
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: First of all, I think we need to talk about

557
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the life that we were living when this song came out.

558
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: So it came out in nineteen ninety nine. It was

559
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: released on August sixteenth, and I Need to Know was

560
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: the album's lead single. Of course it was. It's one

561
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: of the best songs, but it's for me such it

562
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: cemented the Latin explosion I hate that way, Okay, it

563
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: cemented it. And this was obviously written by Anthony and Rooney,

564
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's just got that like violin riff at the

565
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: very beginning. But you hear it and you're instantly like

566
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: in It's true.

567
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was originally written in English.

568
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Respect it was originally written in English. The song I

569
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Need to Know was released in English first. Then the

570
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: song was translated into Spanish, by the way, not by Anthony,

571
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: but he recorded it and titled it the Milon. And

572
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: when you listen to them right after another, there's no change,

573
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes it's super cheesy when they like write

574
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: a song in English and translate it to Spanish or

575
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: vice versa, and you hear it and you're like, that

576
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: shit does not sound the same. That's not the same song, right,

577
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: This song is seamless from Spanish to English or English

578
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: to Spanish. Well, he had started his career singing in English.

579
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Most of his songs blended freestyle with pop. While Mark

580
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Anthony doesn't believe in the term crossover, it was around

581
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: this time that he undoubtedly became a living legend for

582
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: American audiences.

583
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: And what specific event in the industry caused that?

584
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: Come on, say it the Latin Explosion.

585
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, he received his very first Grammy

587
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: for Best Latin Tropical Performance for Condra la Coriente, directed, arranged,

588
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and produced by Anhel Kucopena. He quickly followed the success

589
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: with his first ever Latin Grammy for Song of the

590
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: Year for the melo I Need to Know in two thousand.

591
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: It was these back to back wins, the success of

592
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: the Melo and everything else going on that opened the

593
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: doors for the Latin Explosion.

594
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: The album's song Eubo a Yin became Anthony's first number

595
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: one single on the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks and made

596
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: him the first salsa musician to do so. The album

597
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: also became the first salsa album ever to enter the

598
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: English language Billboard two hundred chart. He had hit after

599
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: hit with Todasu Tiempo and Condra la Corente.

600
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: So he did what any artist.

601
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Would do perform one of the most romantic ballads ever

602
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: live with his wife at the time, Jela.

603
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: The Latin explosion was at full boom.

604
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: You think you're so funny, don't you got that boom

605
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: boom pale. Despite all the experience he had under his belt,

606
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony walked into the music scene with all the

607
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: swagger of a new kid on the block. In two

608
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: thousand and one, he released another salsa album called Libre

609
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: and received a gold certification leib It had spent fourteen

610
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: weeks at number one on the Billboard Top Latin Album's chart.

611
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: He followed up with Men, did another English album, and

612
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: he wouldn't stop, much like Titoente went over one hundred

613
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: and eighteen projects.

614
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: There was Amaersi Mendidas in two thousand and four, a

615
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: Latin pop album Valio Lapina after that featuring.

616
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: Scott Bamonos with Jay Lowe, and these earned him even

617
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: more awards. He was truly killing the game.

618
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: At the two thousand and five Latin Grammy Awards, Amersi

619
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Mendidas won Best Latin Pop Album of the Year, while

620
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: Valola won Best Tropical Album of the Year. But one

621
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: of our main highlights of the evening was when Lopez

622
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: and Anthony.

623
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: Performed It's Scott Emonos. I feel like I'm entering my

624
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: Senora era when I say these songs.

625
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: They've definitely come a long way from their ons days.

626
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: Let's just say, now, did you know that that performance

627
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: at the Grammys was actually their first time performing as

628
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: a couple.

629
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: Like it was a bad The passion was everywhere, like

630
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: it was a ballad for me.

631
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: It was very like opening scene of song I Knew

632
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Meets like a Broadway maybe off Broadway production.

633
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: You know, in true j low form. It was the

634
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: most but you know, the chemistry was there, It was undeniable.

635
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: It was but I love Jennifer Lopez, like we've dedicated

636
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: multiple episodes to her career and who she is. But like, girl,

637
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: why would you voluntarily sing next to that man?

638
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Oh bitch, mistake?

639
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Like maybe Whitney Houston, right, okay, like Celene bon No,

640
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. When I watched it. You can really

641
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: see the difference in the singing, the physicality of the singing.

642
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Jennifer is like singing for her fucking life. She's like,

643
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I ain't going down like this. And she, by the way,

644
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: she does a good job. But she's singing next to

645
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony. Mark Anthony is like just smoked a cigarette

646
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: before he came out to sing. He was like me,

647
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: and he's barely opening his mouth. That boy is not

648
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: doing a breath. He's literally asleep, barely singing. He is

649
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: a minimal effort, maximum impact with that voice. Y'all have

650
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: to go back and watch this performance. By the way,

651
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: it's also just like watching them together, like it's just

652
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: such a prelude to what happened. No thanks, now, let's

653
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: go back. Because along the way, when he was in

654
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: his situationship relationship whatever with j Loo, he actually took

655
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: a page from her book and decided that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to take a shot at acting. So Mark Anthony starting

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Speaker 1: the future film Man on Fire alongside Denzel uh huh.

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Speaker 1: And later in twenty ten, he was in two episodes

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Speaker 1: of a TNT show called Hawthorne opposite Jada Pinkett.

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Speaker 2: Smith was a Latin order booked up.

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Speaker 1: Some of us try to be original, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to be just another dead body on

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Speaker 1: SVU will judge me. But in between it all, in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, he decided to share this newfound

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Speaker 1: side hustle with his then wife.

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Speaker 2: Mark and Jenny co starred in El Cantante, a biodrama

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Speaker 2: following the life of music legend ect Ravo.

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Speaker 1: Now, before you come for the film, Joseph, just save it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: don't I know he's literally foaming at the mouth. But

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Speaker 1: for now, let's just say that.

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Speaker 2: This movie opened a door to a lot of chatter

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Speaker 2: about the co stars.

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Speaker 1: Many were left wondering if Jalo and Mark were even

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Speaker 1: gonna make it as a couple.

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Speaker 2: Was this life imitating art or art imitating life?

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Speaker 1: All that thought that's for next week, Babes. Mark Anthony

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Speaker 1: made history in the music scene thanks to all the

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Speaker 1: artists that came before him, and in.

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Speaker 2: Next week's episode, Lilsa and I are going to look

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Speaker 2: into Elcantante and how it changed Anthony and Lopez's relationship

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Speaker 2: and their careers.

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Speaker 1: We're also looking at how Mark strives to give back

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Speaker 1: to the community by paying it.

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Speaker 2: Forward on the next Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

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Speaker 1: dudda podcast network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast