Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of the Market Disruptors Show. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with Paul Mattissk. He is the CEO
Speaker 1: of gold x, which is a gold mining company. You know,
Speaker 1: I love to learn from experts, and he is one
Speaker 1: of them, a gold mining legend, sold multiple companies for
Speaker 1: over two point five billion dollars, amazing track record. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to dig in and see what we can
Speaker 1: learn from him. Paul, thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: the time to sit down with us today. Thanks Mark,
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. Yeah. So, Um, as I said in
Speaker 1: the intro, and anybody that's been watching my show and
Speaker 1: my channel knows that I believe success leaves clues, and
Speaker 1: so I study successful people to see what clues I
Speaker 1: can pick up and I can duplicate. And my goal
Speaker 1: is that I can find people like you where I
Speaker 1: can learn from and then try to share it back
Speaker 1: with the audience. So I appreciate that. Um. Of course,
Speaker 1: I've been doing research into you, which is why I
Speaker 1: invited you on the show. But for people that don't know,
Speaker 1: give us a background. I mean, I said, you sold
Speaker 1: five companies. Give us a little bit background on what
Speaker 1: you've been doing and what you're doing right now. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a jaw just by training many many moons ago.
Speaker 1: But I'm like a serial entrepreneur. I love the challenges
Speaker 1: of of creating shareholder wealth and and uh I've been
Speaker 1: blessed it to be able to sell five companies over
Speaker 1: the span from two thousand and seven to today. And
Speaker 1: uh it's very simple formula that I I've used to
Speaker 1: do this. I've done it in uh four different commodities.
Speaker 1: I've done it in uranium, I've done it in potash,
Speaker 1: I've done it in lithium twice, and I've done it
Speaker 1: in gold. And uh so the formula really is is
Speaker 1: to uh. I'd been really good at picking a cycle,
Speaker 1: looking at where I think a metal market might uh grow.
Speaker 1: Like so, for instance, uranium, which is one of my
Speaker 1: first forays in two thousand and seven, where the price
Speaker 1: ranium was ten dollars a pound. And so I had
Speaker 1: a belief through readings and do what what you do?
Speaker 1: Read the newspapers here, say, Oprah wherever, and I thought,
Speaker 1: now you know, I think uranium is not a sunset industry.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go at least a fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: and I need a plan on how I um to
Speaker 1: make money at that being a geologist running cut mining companies,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know sometimes people say, well, want
Speaker 1: to just buy the physical like buy uranium, and that
Speaker 1: could make me money. And I thought, well, that's one
Speaker 1: way of doing it. But I thought, you know, where
Speaker 1: do you need the most ranium in the world? Mess
Speaker 1: United States of America. So I said, I need a
Speaker 1: plan to become the largest owner of uranium resources in
Speaker 1: the US. And this is the time when everybody thought
Speaker 1: it would be a sunset industry. Was this back in
Speaker 1: two thousand seven? This is in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: So I accumulated and that was my partner was another
Speaker 1: great guy called Bill Sheriff. Accumulated and became the largest
Speaker 1: resource holder of uranium the United States between two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven and two thousand and nine. I did it
Speaker 1: by through just claims taking. I did by taking over
Speaker 1: three companies in the space of one year. Uh and
Speaker 1: the price urania. And then I built a team around
Speaker 1: it and I found some you know, I went from
Speaker 1: four people to two hundred. I hired the best people
Speaker 1: in the in the industry, and through a series of events,
Speaker 1: Uranium cup going from ten dollars to fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: five to fifty and my stock went from having a
Speaker 1: market cap of five million to ten million, to fifty million,
Speaker 1: to a hundred million to four hundred million. I was
Speaker 1: the fastest growing company in Canada. And then uh I
Speaker 1: decided going to New York. Stock has changed. The first
Speaker 1: year one of the first uranium companies the United stock
Speaker 1: is change, and uh the stock went up to eighteen
Speaker 1: dollars came. That was from starting at ten cents. And
Speaker 1: that was in the space of three years. And uh
Speaker 1: so we were on the stocks change. But I had
Speaker 1: a feeling that Uranium had reached his highest summit. It
Speaker 1: was over a hundred and ten dollars, okay, And uh
Speaker 1: I thought it was you know, I had some assets
Speaker 1: that we're going into production, but I thought I'd serve
Speaker 1: my shareholders better if I sold. So I sold to
Speaker 1: a company called the Uranium One. It was for one
Speaker 1: point eight billion dollars. Okay. Of course, anybody who knows
Speaker 1: about uranium has heard of that company. Yes, so, of
Speaker 1: course exactly, so I sold it to them, and and
Speaker 1: uh so that's what started. Mean it was, you know,
Speaker 1: it was de risking, it was doing feasibilities days, all
Speaker 1: the things that miners do. Uh. And then I follow
Speaker 1: that up with a very similar story. Uh potash. Potash
Speaker 1: was a hot thing. Uh. Fertilizer mostly used for fertilizer.
Speaker 1: Your lovely wife buys, uh, you know, for has for elizer.
Speaker 1: Bags has three numbers ten ten ten, and it's potassium
Speaker 1: phosphate and nitrogen K and uh so one of them
Speaker 1: is potash. And potash makes things grow tall, strengthens things
Speaker 1: that grow tall, like great for corn, good for wine.
Speaker 1: So so I thought cheese. You know, potash was training
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a ton, and I thought, jeez, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go higher. And so I did
Speaker 1: the same thing. I actually this time I discovered something.
Speaker 1: I went through the the Saudi Arabia of of of Potash,
Speaker 1: which is in Saskatchewan, lovely place, great people, and I
Speaker 1: drill seven holes and I found a huge resource. And
Speaker 1: I I parlayed all of that and and it's the
Speaker 1: first time I met Robert Friedland. He asked me if
Speaker 1: he could come on board, uh and to help me
Speaker 1: monetize that asset. And because putting potash deposited into production
Speaker 1: are billions and billions of dollars. Okay. So so within
Speaker 1: the space of three years, I had drilled, got a
Speaker 1: pre feasibility study, a feasibility study, and a permit. And
Speaker 1: you know, I needed I think two billion dollars to
Speaker 1: put this production. So with the help of of Robert
Speaker 1: and myself, we managed to find a buyer. That's after
Speaker 1: talking to the Chinese and talking to real team, to
Speaker 1: munch of companies, to a company called K plus S
Speaker 1: and they paid paid Potash one shareholders four thirty four
Speaker 1: million dollars cash and they subsequently spent over three billion
Speaker 1: dollars to put that in production. So that was called
Speaker 1: the I called the Legacy Project. They changed it to
Speaker 1: the Bethune Project. So that again was in the space
Speaker 1: of three years from concept to sale, and a mind
Speaker 1: four years later. So I repeated that again I could
Speaker 1: just do one more quick. When I did, the company
Speaker 1: called Lithium one, and I had a census back in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve that lithium environed the e V cars
Speaker 1: will become a big thing, okay, and so this and
Speaker 1: so I thought, you know that that the world is
Speaker 1: going to go electric by through lithium, and so I thought, geez,
Speaker 1: you know, I need to find a lithium deposits. So
Speaker 1: there's another company that was five nts, and so I
Speaker 1: headed down to Argentina, that is the Saudi Arabia. There's
Speaker 1: a of lithium and uh, I staked besides some other
Speaker 1: another mine and I got a really good salar and
Speaker 1: uh the same thing. I spent two or three years,
Speaker 1: it's staking figuring out how to actually categorize with him
Speaker 1: deposits and sold it to a company called Galaxy Resources
Speaker 1: for a hundred and twelve million dollars. And I think
Speaker 1: I sold that one a little too early because Galaxy
Speaker 1: took that asset and another and made it a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: We always say that you never go wrong taking a profit, right,
Speaker 1: so you never do and uh and then subsequently they've
Speaker 1: sold just half of the asset that I had in
Speaker 1: Argentina to Postco for three and and fifty US million
Speaker 1: dollars just recently. So so that's the pattern of finding
Speaker 1: finding a trend the cycle finding and finding a large
Speaker 1: acid if you can, or making a large asset, de
Speaker 1: risking it and then deciding to monetize it if you
Speaker 1: think that the the commodity is going to be strong,
Speaker 1: then I would build. If if you think that, you
Speaker 1: know it's at the top of its cycle, then obviously
Speaker 1: you would like to sell. So in many cases I've
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to exit when the cycleactory and like,
Speaker 1: look at uranium, you know, after I think the day
Speaker 1: after I sold energy metal as the price of ranium
Speaker 1: from hundred dollars to I think it's thirty dollars today
Speaker 1: and hasn't recovered. That was okay, but now you're now
Speaker 1: you've picked up on a new cycle and you're doing
Speaker 1: the same repeatable pattern, but on a new cycle now.
Speaker 1: So I thought gold on that. Yeah, so gold for
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. Um, you know that it's a
Speaker 1: very attractive commodity. You know, we're hyper inflation, you know
Speaker 1: Trump and everybody's is pouring out U S dollars like
Speaker 1: it's going out of style. So it's a great asset
Speaker 1: for that. And I thought, jeez, you know if I
Speaker 1: think I started looking at gold, gold next to the
Speaker 1: price of goal and uh, and I thought, and I
Speaker 1: can go through this company. It was called Sandspring Resources
Speaker 1: at the time, was misunderstood forlorn not loved, and yet
Speaker 1: it had a seven point three five million ounced deposit
Speaker 1: and over a hundred and fifty million dollars spent on it.
Speaker 1: And I thought, this is perfect. I need like a
Speaker 1: large And I thought, if you know, obviously, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get leverage on the gold price
Speaker 1: as an increasing gold price, you want a big asset
Speaker 1: because all of the price of goal goes up, you
Speaker 1: have seven million factors that go up with it, and
Speaker 1: so and so I uh. In September, I became an
Speaker 1: advisor for the group, and I said, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got a plan. I got a plan how we can
Speaker 1: take there's more abund company that that barely trades and
Speaker 1: and has a great asset and turn it into something.
Speaker 1: And so I did simple, simple things and I rebranded
Speaker 1: to Excess. Most of my companies are either excess or ones.
Speaker 1: So it became gold x Mining. I uh didn't split
Speaker 1: the stock, but I consolidated stock eight to one. So
Speaker 1: uh so that wasn't a penny stock anymore, and people
Speaker 1: didn't have a penny thought idea in it. And I
Speaker 1: raised twenty million dollars and to venture to buy out
Speaker 1: a local partners, so secure a hundred percent ownership of
Speaker 1: the asset and then uh, and then I took over.
Speaker 1: I became officially uh the whist those were done, and
Speaker 1: I knew we had the ascally became the CEO in
Speaker 1: April one of this year, and our stock but at
Speaker 1: that time was training at a dollar this year, okay,
Speaker 1: and I that's where I made my placement into the
Speaker 1: company and I made a commitment there. Uh So, and
Speaker 1: then I started trying to I did a little hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of zoom calls and trying to get at
Speaker 1: people understand what they you know, the misunderstanding is about
Speaker 1: this asset. And I'm always you know, opportunistic. In just Egypt,
Speaker 1: there was a company fifty KOs down the road called
Speaker 1: Guyana Goldfields and it was running into trouble and uh,
Speaker 1: they had exhausted their reason their surface resources. They had
Speaker 1: this big mill that could accommodate sevent tons per dight
Speaker 1: and now they're trying to develop a mind tons a day.
Speaker 1: And so I, with my largest shareholder, made a bid
Speaker 1: for that for the access to their they're meant for
Speaker 1: the resources, but for the production for their milk, because
Speaker 1: it would have huge, huge, huge impact on the topics
Speaker 1: of our company. Uh, unfortunately I was not successful. Someone
Speaker 1: outbid me by threefold to gin very astute group, Chinese
Speaker 1: group who who bought up for a dollar eighty. And
Speaker 1: it's good to have a big company like that, but
Speaker 1: you know, we're still fifty kilometers away and that synergy
Speaker 1: that we can work with. So now you're the CEO
Speaker 1: of gold X Mining and that's that's kind of what
Speaker 1: you're doing. UM. Yeah, so that's good. UM. You know
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you have a simple formula, and what
Speaker 1: I like about this is that you've proven it's repeatable.
Speaker 1: So I mean you've done it in uranium, you did
Speaker 1: in potash, you did in lithium, and now you're turning
Speaker 1: at the gold now. UM, for everybody that's listening, make
Speaker 1: sure you stick around because at the end, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we nail Paul down for that three step
Speaker 1: formula so we can try to figure out how we
Speaker 1: can apply that to our own investments. UM. So we'll
Speaker 1: we'll really we'll circle back to that before the ends
Speaker 1: to make sure you stick around. But what I want
Speaker 1: to dig into a little bit here is, UM, I'm
Speaker 1: obviously really into gold. I talked about it on my
Speaker 1: channel all the time. Um, I I'm buying lots of
Speaker 1: gold miners, junior miners, so I can get that leverage um.
Speaker 1: And you know when I'm buying stock, I'm an owner
Speaker 1: of a company obviously a very very tiny minority, but
Speaker 1: I still like to look at it the same way.
Speaker 1: We get massive leverage, um, just like someone that owns
Speaker 1: a lot of shares to do we can do it
Speaker 1: on a little bit. So I'm curious how you um
Speaker 1: think through mining gold mining, specifically how you value it,
Speaker 1: so I can learn to do the same. And I
Speaker 1: know there's, um, you know, two big categories of it, right.
Speaker 1: You have kind of like the majors and then you
Speaker 1: have the miners. And it seems like the juniors are
Speaker 1: are The juniors are the ones that are kind of
Speaker 1: like exploring and finding it and their real path is
Speaker 1: like acquisitions at some point, and the majors are the
Speaker 1: ones that are kind of putting out the massive gold.
Speaker 1: Is that is that how that works? Do I have
Speaker 1: that right? Generally? Generally? Uh, there's actually three times I
Speaker 1: come explore code companies. Okay, those are those high risk
Speaker 1: people's gelages with maps and dreams, Okay, And there are
Speaker 1: a central part of the of the of the ecosystem. Okay.
Speaker 1: They're the ones where you know, like a Chuck fifty
Speaker 1: who found the first diamond mine for Canada. Okay, you
Speaker 1: listen to me, I think, I guy must be on drugs.
Speaker 1: But that man had single handedly made Canada the number
Speaker 1: one producer of diamonds because he had a dream. And
Speaker 1: you know, you could have invested with him at fifty
Speaker 1: cents and now that's worth a thousand dollars that Okay,
Speaker 1: So but those are rare events, Okay, those the law
Speaker 1: of probability works against. Yet for every hundred explorer code
Speaker 1: out there, and maybe one moves on to something that's significant, okay.
Speaker 1: And then there's developed codes like myself. They they have
Speaker 1: gone through the expiration phase. They found something, Okay, but
Speaker 1: they're not trading. Let's say if we put like, ah,
Speaker 1: if mining companies that you know that like a new Mont, Okay,
Speaker 1: they trade at let's say like they react to the
Speaker 1: price of goal because they've got mine. So the price
Speaker 1: of gold goes up, their profits go up. You can
Speaker 1: tag them and you can look at their price and
Speaker 1: ab and and decide, well, Jesus is this is the
Speaker 1: well run company and if gold goes up, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go up. Okay, but there's not much leverage as being
Speaker 1: an explorerle there's lots of risk, but if they hit,
Speaker 1: you make a lot of money. The next level of
Speaker 1: risk is like a developed co company like myself. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have seven point five million ounces, okay, but
Speaker 1: we need to we need to find the money to
Speaker 1: develop it. You know, there's so there's little hair that
Speaker 1: you need to clean Okay, So either you you you
Speaker 1: clean all that up and then you become very attractive
Speaker 1: to like a Newmont or to a Barrack or to
Speaker 1: a gen Okay. So so that's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1: I look at what the hair is. Why isn't it
Speaker 1: that uh and developed coach will will trade at point
Speaker 1: to five point three of what they should have if
Speaker 1: they were a big major mining companies. If I told
Speaker 1: you most of the companies called net asset value that
Speaker 1: I sold, I sold between point four and point five.
Speaker 1: Are there net net asset value right now? Gold extras
Speaker 1: training at point one eight? Okay, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of scope there that I So I am either underperforming,
Speaker 1: you know, there's an undervalue or there's more value to
Speaker 1: be created. Yeah. I love that point. I love that
Speaker 1: point because it rings true. And it's what I always
Speaker 1: talk about on my channel, right, trying to find that
Speaker 1: undervalued asset as you talk about the hair, right, something
Speaker 1: you can clean off. I spent the first ten years
Speaker 1: of my investing career just in realistic eight um and
Speaker 1: the same thing, Right, what's wrong with this piece of
Speaker 1: real estate? What can I do to fix it up? Right?
Speaker 1: And Uh, I look at all things like that, and
Speaker 1: and I think as investors we should always do that.
Speaker 1: So I love to hear that, um, that approach. So
Speaker 1: it's uh, the the explorers have the ton of risk
Speaker 1: because chance of them finding is very is very low.
Speaker 1: For you, the risk is a lot less because you
Speaker 1: have the asset. But the question is can you improve
Speaker 1: it to the point that needs to be done? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. I like that. Yeah. And you
Speaker 1: can see that from from September or from when I
Speaker 1: started April. One dollar when it was a dollar today
Speaker 1: closed at four dollars four times. You're your return in
Speaker 1: less than four months. Wow. I like those types of returns.
Speaker 1: So and that you know and and so that's not me.
Speaker 1: I've got great capable people that that work with me.
Speaker 1: And so those are a series of steps, you know,
Speaker 1: and and from some gold minings like that are developed
Speaker 1: clos It may be a metallurgical issue, they're getting better recoveries.
Speaker 1: Some may be jurisdictional, they've got a permit where they
Speaker 1: could never get a permit. Okay, uh. Some are that
Speaker 1: they've got a better mining method. So you look at
Speaker 1: each individual story and you say, where is where? How
Speaker 1: do we unlock the value? Right? He called me anything.
Speaker 1: I'm an unlocker of shareholder value. Yeah. I love that
Speaker 1: I can find something to go here and they're not
Speaker 1: like you know, brain science is something you diligent work,
Speaker 1: go through the process. Okay, what is an analysis of variance?
Speaker 1: What is the key feature that I need to fix
Speaker 1: to unlock that value? Yeah? You know that? So you know,
Speaker 1: in uh, in real estate, like I said, I spent
Speaker 1: the first ten years doing that, and I could tell
Speaker 1: you all the ways that you can do that. Um.
Speaker 1: I've been investing in gold for about a decade now,
Speaker 1: and UM I constantly talk on this channel about ways
Speaker 1: that I look for undervalued assets and gold mining. But
Speaker 1: I would certainly love to hear if you had any ideas. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess the first thing is I know
Speaker 1: I look for like is the asset good? Um? And
Speaker 1: is it being missed? Priced some way? Um? Right? And
Speaker 1: something that you can fix like you mentioned like permits
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. So so in our case,
Speaker 1: there was a drag on the stock because like the
Speaker 1: company prior to me managing it, we didn't own they
Speaker 1: we didn't own the property. Okay, we we had an
Speaker 1: option to purchase. So that's a level of risk because
Speaker 1: so we we managed to raise twenty million dollars to
Speaker 1: buy out the original you know, the guys that originally
Speaker 1: owned the property, and they're out, so we don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with that drama. Okay, Now we own it,
Speaker 1: and I did through a convertible de been sure. So
Speaker 1: here's where here's where it even gets better. So when
Speaker 1: we had a convertial debenture, we're training in a dollar.
Speaker 1: We priced it a three twenty that we could buy
Speaker 1: you out. We can give you our share at three
Speaker 1: twenty or give you hash. Okay, So three weeks ago
Speaker 1: our stock past blew by three twenty. Now it's like three.
Speaker 1: So I phoned up the de bench. You're olders and
Speaker 1: say do you want the cash because I think we
Speaker 1: can finance it, or do you want the paper? Everybody
Speaker 1: took the paper. So now there's no debt in this company. Right,
Speaker 1: We've got happy shareholders. Were training at four dollars, they
Speaker 1: can sell their shares at three twenty, so they've made money.
Speaker 1: They and I saved the company with a convertible deventure.
Speaker 1: There's usually like a coupon you pay it. Our coupon
Speaker 1: was ten percent, so I so that's like almost five
Speaker 1: million dollars of savings just there. But it's amazing. That's
Speaker 1: that's a deal that only somebody with your experience could do, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you bring to the table. Um.
Speaker 1: Having built many businesses, I've built seven and a figure businesses.
Speaker 1: I've invested in all different types of things. One thing
Speaker 1: I've always learned is that people like people are so
Speaker 1: important because you can you can have the best idea
Speaker 1: in the world, but it's all about the execution. UM.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like based off of what you're saying, UM,
Speaker 1: that's also part of your formula. I know when I
Speaker 1: was when I'm looking at gold mining companies or any
Speaker 1: company for that matter, One of the very first things
Speaker 1: I look for is management, and I just figure, look
Speaker 1: how the management allows me to filter all the junk out,
Speaker 1: because good management wouldn't work for a bad company. Uh
Speaker 1: And and so I know. So then I saw you
Speaker 1: and you had this successful track record. Um and then
Speaker 1: you you mentioned how you brought I think was it
Speaker 1: Robert Over you know, so you're bringing that same core
Speaker 1: team with you. So is that I think you're putting
Speaker 1: the same emphasis on team. Yes, if I can highlight that. So, Uh,
Speaker 1: you need two things. One is good shareholders, let's support you.
Speaker 1: Uh and I've talked about that. And a good staff.
Speaker 1: And I tend to work with a very small group.
Speaker 1: And my main group. I have an excellent cefos name
Speaker 1: is Bill the bar who's been involved in my last
Speaker 1: three deals. He's brilliant. He was he was the architect
Speaker 1: of the de venture, so you can tip my hat
Speaker 1: to him. I have two capable executives and Richard Munson
Speaker 1: he was the past CEO, and Greg Barnes is the
Speaker 1: VP of development. So this team of four, and I
Speaker 1: have also a good strategic advisor, Brian pace Braga. That group,
Speaker 1: that core group is the one that works the day
Speaker 1: to day, make sure the market is fine, make sure
Speaker 1: that you know we're getting all the technical and the
Speaker 1: commercial work done. Okay, and without them, I am a
Speaker 1: tenth of a man that I am. Uh. Strategically, you know,
Speaker 1: we always looked to enhance our board uh and so
Speaker 1: that you know, it gives you a better networking, better
Speaker 1: access to capital. And we were fortunate enough and through
Speaker 1: my friendship to get Robert Friedland and and he's like,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's an icon. Come on the man.
Speaker 1: Is he probably the number one mining promoter in the world.
Speaker 1: He runs Ivanhoe minds. It's a five building dollar deposit.
Speaker 1: You know, he manages to be a better unlock er
Speaker 1: value than I am. You know, whenever he puts his
Speaker 1: hands and turns to literally to gold and he brings
Speaker 1: to this company. And when he actually came on board,
Speaker 1: our stock almost went up. Okay. He brings the ability
Speaker 1: of a great his own team. So that synergy of
Speaker 1: his own mind building team and access to that is good,
Speaker 1: and access to his capital it's good. So that was
Speaker 1: a coup from us. Yeah, and you know, I mean sorry, yeah.
Speaker 1: And in terms of shareholder is that we have Grand
Speaker 1: Colombian it's a it's a gold mining company. Plus not
Speaker 1: TSX who UH mind school out of Columbia with a
Speaker 1: half a billion dollar market cap. They own of it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and the CEO there is on our
Speaker 1: board and I know the chairman quite well, and there's
Speaker 1: a hundred percent supportive of it. And we also have
Speaker 1: Precious Wheaton UH Medals, who is a wealthy company that
Speaker 1: uh is the next largest shareholder, and there are a
Speaker 1: hundred percent by behind us, and they've actually offered us
Speaker 1: a financing so if we ever go into production, they
Speaker 1: will finance up a hundred twenty million dollars. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Yeah, I know. Um, I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been kind of following the gold market for for
Speaker 1: a while. Obviously I don't know it that well and
Speaker 1: not I wouldn't call myself an expert in it, but um,
Speaker 1: I just look at these types of things like who
Speaker 1: is leading the team, but not only just who's leading
Speaker 1: the team, and so easy to see your track record,
Speaker 1: and I know success leaves you know, you can follow
Speaker 1: the success, but also who those advisors are, So anybody
Speaker 1: that in Precious Medals at all probably knows who you know,
Speaker 1: precious wheat is and things like that. Um. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, like I said right off the bat,
Speaker 1: that filters out all the junk because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of junk out there. Um, but I just figured that, yeah,
Speaker 1: a good team wouldn't be there. Um. I tell people that,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this game is back to jockey. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you can have a good horse and a good jockey,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a chance to win the triple crown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, people, you know, there are the main
Speaker 1: element in any type of in movies and in real estate.
Speaker 1: Those people. It's the people that make things different. And
Speaker 1: one of question I'd like to ask you about is,
Speaker 1: I know gold X your mind is in Guyana, right, Um,
Speaker 1: and um, a lot of gold people. There's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of noise going around the industry. And I get
Speaker 1: asked this question all the time, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a fair question to ask you. Um, A lot of
Speaker 1: people seem to think that, Um, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: political instability in some of these countries which there are
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of gold mine is in third world countries.
Speaker 1: Things like that could be Africa, South America, wherever, UM.
Speaker 1: And now there's this narrative UM that's been pushed at
Speaker 1: if the US isn't exchanging dollars swap lines with the country,
Speaker 1: then they're in they're they're in dangerous political problems. And
Speaker 1: there's high probability that, um, the country could nationalize that
Speaker 1: mine and as an investor, I could lose everything. Now
Speaker 1: you own a mine or whatever, your part owner, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? I think that's a bullshit actually, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think that Guyana, uh, English speaking democratic country. They
Speaker 1: had their fair shares. They've they've been through the throes
Speaker 1: of an election issue, an election recount similar to the
Speaker 1: Trump had. Okay, we didn't do anything about that and uh,
Speaker 1: and they've now resolved that issue. So now there is
Speaker 1: a standing party and the country will go back to
Speaker 1: uh to where to where it's been. Uh. It's supported
Speaker 1: a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, is governed by
Speaker 1: the British law. The as far as i'm you know,
Speaker 1: they're there for finance and they supported by the i
Speaker 1: f C. There's nothing that I've seen, UH that gives
Speaker 1: me cause of concern that they're going to nationalize these resources. Okay, UM,
Speaker 1: right now, they're also blessed like they've had a huge
Speaker 1: offshore oil discovery okay, probably one of the largest ones ever.
Speaker 1: It's gonna totally change the complexion of this very small country.
Speaker 1: I think it's got you know, five million, seven million
Speaker 1: people in it, Okay. And what that's gonna do is
Speaker 1: gonna put a lot of money into the government coffers okay,
Speaker 1: so they can electrify the country, educate the country, and
Speaker 1: build infrastructure. All those things are really supportive of mining, Okay.
Speaker 1: The you know, I've worked in Guyana previously for another company,
Speaker 1: and I find that working with the government is being
Speaker 1: transparent they want you know, that was the main source
Speaker 1: of revenue was mining. Right now, with oil, I think
Speaker 1: mining will be like this, oil will be like this.
Speaker 1: That's going to really see them nationalizing this little breadcrumb
Speaker 1: perfect well. And and you know, by them doing that,
Speaker 1: it really puts them back into the dark ages no
Speaker 1: company would ever do or no no country would even
Speaker 1: want to do business with them if they did something
Speaker 1: like that. So I kind of look at the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, we don't have a crystal ball
Speaker 1: anything as possible, especially in today's age and everything that
Speaker 1: we do has risks and so you want to always
Speaker 1: manage for that. But um, yeah, the chance of that
Speaker 1: is low. Would be in my opinion, and as you said,
Speaker 1: it would be the death wish or I said, it
Speaker 1: would be the death wish. And if you're if you're
Speaker 1: looking at something big like oil, you're not gonna what
Speaker 1: do we call it, like step over dollars to pick
Speaker 1: up pennies or something. Right, No, I think I I
Speaker 1: love working in Diana, and I think it's a very
Speaker 1: good population. Work in the government, as I say, is transparent.
Speaker 1: I I think that you know, they're very good for
Speaker 1: the mining industry, and I think that they're blessed with riches.
Speaker 1: You know, I hope they manage them. Well yeah, okay, great,
Speaker 1: Well thanks for answering that. Um. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: get asked that question all the time and I answer it,
Speaker 1: but I of course I want to hear it from you.
Speaker 1: You have a lot more on the line than I do.
Speaker 1: So UM, I kind of gave um in one of
Speaker 1: my previous gold mining videos, I kind of gave my
Speaker 1: criteria was team and these are easier things for me
Speaker 1: to look at, like team obviously, like I said, good
Speaker 1: team wouldn't be in a bad company. Um, I want
Speaker 1: to look at like their reserves. Make sure you're sitting
Speaker 1: on good gold reserves, and yours appear to be pretty
Speaker 1: tested them and you have a bunch which is seven
Speaker 1: million or something million? Yeah, so um and then and
Speaker 1: then financials and I know, um, you can burn through
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but you have a lot of
Speaker 1: backing with precious wheaten. Is there other things that like
Speaker 1: the average retail investor like myself should be looking at.
Speaker 1: And when we're investing in the gold miners, uh so,
Speaker 1: people are key the ability to finance. And so when
Speaker 1: we wanted to make adventure to buy our our our
Speaker 1: project from an existing owner, I think it took us
Speaker 1: three weeks to find the twenty million dollars. Okay. Uh
Speaker 1: we have wheat impress mental and a lot of insiders,
Speaker 1: insiders make up close to like okay, and they're all
Speaker 1: they're all people of means that I've been supporting this
Speaker 1: project for many, many years, So I would you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's another thing that you should be aware of.
Speaker 1: We get offered financings almost on a weekly basis from
Speaker 1: from brokerage groups. Okay, we turned them down. Because you know,
Speaker 1: one thing about the companies that I run is that
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep the share uh, the share account
Speaker 1: very low. Okay, I'm I don't mind diluting. But if
Speaker 1: if if I spend one dollar, I would make four
Speaker 1: or five dollars worth of value. So does that mean
Speaker 1: that me as a retail investor, other retail investors, we
Speaker 1: should look at outstanding share account? I think so, I
Speaker 1: think you should look at how many shares are out there,
Speaker 1: and and whether the market cop is realistic. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people CEOs claim that, oh, look, my
Speaker 1: market cops six million. Yeah, well it's six million, but
Speaker 1: the last five years it's been training at thirty cents,
Speaker 1: and you, as an investor, made no money, right, Okay, good?
Speaker 1: Focus on share value? Okay, share value appreciation? If I
Speaker 1: were invested, okay, has this group took something and raised
Speaker 1: gave you share value? Okay? Good? Good, good point. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that a lot of this stuff, you know, you
Speaker 1: talked about, like find that undervalued asset and finding something
Speaker 1: that had a little hair on it you can clean up,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that stuff isn't really visible to
Speaker 1: us as as retail investors, and so That's why I
Speaker 1: was kind of curious, like what are the things that
Speaker 1: we would look at? And like I said, team and
Speaker 1: financials and and and reserves. Our stuff that I have
Speaker 1: access to, Um, the little secret hair, the permit or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, as you say, I don't really have
Speaker 1: access to that. But definitely market cap and share value,
Speaker 1: as you talk about, is something that we can all
Speaker 1: look at. Anything else that comes to mind, well, the
Speaker 1: because of uh uh over the regulations that were put
Speaker 1: in place. UM, you know, uh, we we have a
Speaker 1: lot of transparency. We do quarterlies, we do a g
Speaker 1: M s all our resources or have standards that are
Speaker 1: followed by throughout the world. You know, I think mining
Speaker 1: is sometimes overregulated, but it's but it's to protect the shareholder.
Speaker 1: So if if uh an investor really wants to understand
Speaker 1: the company, look at the quarterlies, look at look at
Speaker 1: the four three one of ones to talk about the resources,
Speaker 1: how they were done? You know, these are these resources
Speaker 1: that are quota for us, are are done like we did? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We did? Uh I forgot I mean, I mean I
Speaker 1: tell you exact number of meters of drilling that we did.
Speaker 1: We did two hundred and two thousand meters of drilling. Wow,
Speaker 1: we did almost seven hundred drill holes to define this resource. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: and that gives you a measured indicated resource. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is better than inferred resources because each time you drill
Speaker 1: a hole, you're checking what the density is of gold
Speaker 1: in those areas, and so the hold as you drill,
Speaker 1: then the better your estimations are. Am I correct with that,
Speaker 1: So you can imagine that you know, each drill hole
Speaker 1: has a has an area of influence that you can
Speaker 1: make some judgment thought. Okay, so you have one drill
Speaker 1: hole here in one drill hole a mile away, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a head here and a hit there. There's
Speaker 1: no geological reason why they should be connected. You know,
Speaker 1: in the past people say, oh, yeah, they're connected. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of work being done
Speaker 1: through the use of geology and structure and and and
Speaker 1: fantastic software. People can look at measure indicate the influence
Speaker 1: of one hole, maybe only four or five meters, that's
Speaker 1: it ten ms, okay, depending on the on the type
Speaker 1: of geology. So the more holes you have, the more
Speaker 1: geology you have, the more rigorous, the more believable your
Speaker 1: resource are There are many, many, many, many sad stories
Speaker 1: were someone has has done a resource on an inferred basis,
Speaker 1: or like why space thrilling, and said, what the heck,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. The market is hot, We're gonna go
Speaker 1: and mind this bloody thing, you know. So they spend
Speaker 1: all this money building all this infrastructure, processing facilities, and
Speaker 1: low and behold the resourcesn't there? Yeah? Okay, So so
Speaker 1: look at the resource, ask questions there. They're often written
Speaker 1: for the for the layman, and I find that, uh,
Speaker 1: people that care about the shar olds will spend time
Speaker 1: with them. Let's say, this is what you have to
Speaker 1: understand about our drilling, this is what our resource was based.
Speaker 1: And there's numerous maps and drill intersections and long sections.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, you know to look at Yeah, I've I've looked,
Speaker 1: you know, I look at a lot of different mining
Speaker 1: companies and that's definitely something. As you say, they put
Speaker 1: out and uh, seven hundred drill holes is a lot.
Speaker 1: Typically I see much less and and a lot of times,
Speaker 1: when you've looked at enough of them, you can tell,
Speaker 1: like this company is kind of fudging on their numbers
Speaker 1: a little bit. Right. Um, I've Also I also did
Speaker 1: quite a bit in oil as well, and oil is
Speaker 1: kind of similar. Um, you know, they're trying to estimate
Speaker 1: off of one one well or something like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: seven hundred drill wells is is a lot. Another thing
Speaker 1: that you said that I like as well is you
Speaker 1: know we all need to uh we all, we all
Speaker 1: need to. I really like investing in the gold gold
Speaker 1: mine especially. I just made a video yesterday. I call
Speaker 1: it the Trade of the Decade um the way that
Speaker 1: I see debt and inflation and whatnot, and so I
Speaker 1: do believe that gold and gold mining is the place
Speaker 1: to be. Um. That being said, everybody should be doing
Speaker 1: their own due diligence and so. Um. You know, because
Speaker 1: I have a show, I'm able to get someone like
Speaker 1: you on the phone and or on the on the
Speaker 1: call and ask these questions. But as you pointed out,
Speaker 1: everybody could reach out to the company. You have like
Speaker 1: PR departments and sales departments that are there to answer
Speaker 1: people's questions, right yeah, yeah, I mean, so they're there.
Speaker 1: You know, I I tell people look at like good
Speaker 1: power points corporate presentations. Yuh. So you know, we do
Speaker 1: a good job trying to get key information out to people.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of comparables. If you go look
Speaker 1: at our our power point, we compare ourselves to other
Speaker 1: companies so that you can say, well, why are they
Speaker 1: trading higher than lower? So you can start you know, questioning,
Speaker 1: you know those questions. And you know, I find that
Speaker 1: the more educated investor you have, the better it is
Speaker 1: for companies that actually have good things. Okay. Uh so
Speaker 1: you know ignorant investor or well, and one that's not
Speaker 1: so well educated. You know, they go from pillar to post.
Speaker 1: They don't know where they're going, or they're following the
Speaker 1: crowd that you know, sometimes that works. It's a great thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: like we're now, I would say in the time of
Speaker 1: gold investing, where all boats float and if you know
Speaker 1: that thing, so everything that has goal in is going up.
Speaker 1: Is like the dot com era. Okay, so you probably
Speaker 1: you probably will not hurt yourself, but you may lose
Speaker 1: out on something that was phenomenally better than the investment
Speaker 1: that you made. Right, and so you need a fair
Speaker 1: smatter ring of maybe some of the major companies, maybe
Speaker 1: some of the development companies, and a little bit of
Speaker 1: the you know, you make a portfolio. So you you
Speaker 1: you transcend all those things. But you know, but in
Speaker 1: each portfolio, in each group, there's some winners and there's
Speaker 1: some losers. And UH and I would say try to
Speaker 1: talk to people, read the power points, start being familiar
Speaker 1: with you know, after tax free cash flow, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different terminology that one needs
Speaker 1: to know and and and and these are all standard
Speaker 1: ways of that companies have to report R resources are
Speaker 1: reporting a certain way, you know, h Enterprise value okay
Speaker 1: is a certain way. Okay, So so there are comparable
Speaker 1: So if you look at our on our UH corporate presentation,
Speaker 1: we do comparable so we can compare an apple with
Speaker 1: an Apple. And that's what you want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. UM. Now I want to we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap it up here. I know we're already coming and
Speaker 1: going along and I and I really appreciate you giving
Speaker 1: me as much time as you have already. UM. I
Speaker 1: want to recap your simple formula for having success. Um,
Speaker 1: and I've written it down to what I think it is,
Speaker 1: and I want to just recap that and let kind
Speaker 1: of how I think that I can use it and
Speaker 1: how people watching could also use that. Before before I
Speaker 1: am jump into that final thing though, I'm just curious. Um, well,
Speaker 1: the first one of your formulas is picking a cycle,
Speaker 1: and you obviously did really good with uranium, potash, lithium. Uh,
Speaker 1: you pick those cycles, right, and now you've just jumped
Speaker 1: into gold, and based off of three in a row,
Speaker 1: you're pretty good at picking cycles. So what is it
Speaker 1: that you see about jumping into the gold cycle right now?
Speaker 1: What makes you think that, um, the cycle is good?
Speaker 1: Do you want to say how long or how high
Speaker 1: you think it goes? No, h well, it's probably for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not that predictor of like how long,
Speaker 1: But we're pretty so much money, there's gonna be so
Speaker 1: much inflation. Gold provides maybe a place where whether you're
Speaker 1: in Peru or Paraguay, people will know what the goal is.
Speaker 1: So and you're you're not punished by a currency devaluation
Speaker 1: and inflation. So so I really I really like that
Speaker 1: point of it. I just thought, you know, and then
Speaker 1: I look at the experts. I look at the Bank
Speaker 1: of America. They have a three thousand dollar limit, okay,
Speaker 1: and you have Goldman sacks as okay. So these are
Speaker 1: very conservative groups that are giving you these numbers. This
Speaker 1: isn't some you know, crazy newsletter writer that wants to
Speaker 1: let you buy gold staff right exactly. So they're consensus
Speaker 1: of that, and uh, you know, and I really do
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, the psychos eighteen twenty months and
Speaker 1: there's a momentum they'll be down ed age. But you know,
Speaker 1: I could probably see gold before December. Yeah, and that's goes,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it becomes a race production. You know,
Speaker 1: how to value arounds is the best way. Okay, So
Speaker 1: um advantage of that high gold environment, so I'm more bullish.
Speaker 1: I think it was higher than that. But either way,
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty good. I just figured, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, when the market dropped, the
Speaker 1: stocks dropped, gold drop, but it was the response to
Speaker 1: the drop. The Fed jumped in with their tarp bailout
Speaker 1: seven hundred billion dollars and gold shot from six eighty
Speaker 1: to two thousand. Yeah, and that was off a seven billion.
Speaker 1: Well today we've just done six trillion. So even if
Speaker 1: we had the same move as in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: that puts gold to like four thousand bucks. That's just
Speaker 1: on the same size move. But we've just printed what
Speaker 1: six times the seven times the money. It's unheard of.
Speaker 1: It's unheard of. Yeah, so it could be an incredible ride.
Speaker 1: And you know it's uh and for companies are going
Speaker 1: to production or in production, it would be a great
Speaker 1: place to you know, I could imagine in areas and
Speaker 1: countries where where the currencies being devalued, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: paid in US dollars, Okay, Like in Canada, our gold
Speaker 1: is like we're point seven seventy cents, so two thousands.
Speaker 1: It's like we're training at like twenty six hundred dollar
Speaker 1: gold in our currency. So it's unheard of. So being
Speaker 1: a producer is a good thing. Now, why doesn't Why
Speaker 1: doesn't Canada have any gold? Oh no, we have lost
Speaker 1: the gold mines. Oh no, no, no, the country. What
Speaker 1: do you mean it doesn't have any goal? Oh why
Speaker 1: do I believe Canada doesn't own any gold? Right? The country?
Speaker 1: We don't want to jump into that. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's for my Prime minister to talk. There's so much
Speaker 1: gold in the country. Is like, there's no gold by
Speaker 1: the country. It's weird in the country but not owned
Speaker 1: by the country. Okay, we won't we won't jump into that. Um,
Speaker 1: what about bitcoin. Oh man, you know, I'm I'm so simple,
Speaker 1: I know very I'm good at what I know and
Speaker 1: outside then I'm just have you have you heard the
Speaker 1: digital gold comparisons? Yeah, I have heard that. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm not savvy enough to give a coherent or advice
Speaker 1: to any of your listeners. No, I don't need any advice.
Speaker 1: I'm asking your I'm just what are your thoughts? That's all. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting concept. I mean, you know, the bench
Speaker 1: won't like it. You know, it would, it would solve
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. It's great for the gold miners,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's thought a lot of merit. It
Speaker 1: may break down the whole banking industry, so that's what
Speaker 1: it's here for. Yeah, you know, be careful what you
Speaker 1: wish for, because it seems it seems to be working well.
Speaker 1: And uh, well the band The Thanks are doing that
Speaker 1: on their own. But yeah, yeah, well they're they're good
Speaker 1: at it. But so yeah, no, I think it's got
Speaker 1: it's got some some marriage, and it's definitely good for
Speaker 1: the world. You know, they call it digital gold because
Speaker 1: it's one it's fighting the same fight. Gold is about
Speaker 1: sound money, right, If we could go back to a
Speaker 1: gold standard, having hard, sound money that's not manipulated or
Speaker 1: or or you know, inflatable, and bitcoin is a hard
Speaker 1: asset that can't be manipulated or inflated. Um. They're both
Speaker 1: taking your money out of the banking system, um, and
Speaker 1: both getting back to us a sound unit of account,
Speaker 1: if you will. So they're both fighting the same fight.
Speaker 1: One is older and one is newer. One's technology, right,
Speaker 1: But from that perspective, they're they're fighting the same fight.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. That's why I like them both.
Speaker 1: I think I say, like, uh, for example, my grandparents
Speaker 1: would never own bitcoin, but my kids will probably never
Speaker 1: own gold. Right. Maybe we'll see um, okay, great, Um.
Speaker 1: So then back to the simple formula and we'll cap
Speaker 1: it off with this. So the for this one was
Speaker 1: picking a cycle, which you've already explained that one. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. The second one was building a good team.
Speaker 1: So you have experience, you've brought your team with you,
Speaker 1: you have Robert, you talked about your board, et cetera. UM.
Speaker 1: And then I think what I wrote down the third
Speaker 1: piece of your formula, your simple format that makes you
Speaker 1: billions of dollars um, was leverage, right, you talked about
Speaker 1: leverage because instead of just buying the physical uranium, you said,
Speaker 1: why don't I just buy the uranium? Mind, I have leverage,
Speaker 1: and I think gold is the same way. So I
Speaker 1: can buy physical gold and maybe it goes from two
Speaker 1: thousand to four thousand, but if I own a gold
Speaker 1: miner stock, it could go up ten x or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was leveraged the third piece of that, yes, so yeah,
Speaker 1: leverage is definitely And that's what to do with uh uh,
Speaker 1: the the increase in the price they come on it.
Speaker 1: For instance, you know, we have seven million ounces, right,
Speaker 1: and you could buy the stock for four dollars, okay,
Speaker 1: and uh if it you know, if gold does go
Speaker 1: up by two hundred dollars, it goes up two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars on seven million ounces. Yeah, and that's it reaches
Speaker 1: the bottom line on the market cap in our share price.
Speaker 1: That's where that happens. So so two, the gold price
Speaker 1: is a big jump for a four dollar stock. Yes,
Speaker 1: so so you know, and and so that's what we
Speaker 1: need to do. We need to show people, tell people
Speaker 1: that that's where you get your greatest leverage with the
Speaker 1: companies that have you know, six seven, eight million ounces.
Speaker 1: And then it's also attractive that leverage to companies like
Speaker 1: the large companies, they don't want to work on a million,
Speaker 1: two million ounce deposits, they want to work on five
Speaker 1: six seven million ounce deposits because it's the same work.
Speaker 1: They've got to deploy the same type of intelligence and people.
Speaker 1: So they are always looking for bigger and bigger, and
Speaker 1: they need something that that moves the needle on them.
Speaker 1: Good point, good point. So so that's good. And then
Speaker 1: if you're looking for financing for to build the mind,
Speaker 1: having those seven million ounces gives the lender a lot
Speaker 1: more comfort that they're going to get their money back,
Speaker 1: So that's another good. So so that gives me lots
Speaker 1: of optionality, you know, in either selling or building and
Speaker 1: and you know, and that decision will come down on
Speaker 1: what's best for the shareholder. Okay. And another thing that
Speaker 1: I might add a success is because I'm usually a
Speaker 1: big shareholder, I think like a shareholder. I want the
Speaker 1: same things like a shareholder. That is a high share price.
Speaker 1: So it's good to have your CEO, your chairman, the
Speaker 1: board of you know, own a lot of shares by
Speaker 1: share value. Do they have skin and do they have
Speaker 1: skin in the game. Weally have skin in the game,
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know because because that's the
Speaker 1: real thing. They'll say, you know, when you've got you know,
Speaker 1: four million shares, they go, do I want to dilute?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like them, do I want to dilute my
Speaker 1: my fellow shareholders? So you think twice about it? Great,
Speaker 1: that's good stuff, good stuff. That That last point that
Speaker 1: you just brought up is such a big one and
Speaker 1: we didn't touch on it, and I appreciate that you
Speaker 1: brought that up. With that, I think we'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and wrap it up. I mean, I could keep asking
Speaker 1: questions for so long. It's not often I get to
Speaker 1: sit down with you, but I know you told me
Speaker 1: I was pulling you away from your hockey game. So uh,
Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get you back to that. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Mark, I really appreciate and good to know you. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: Paul uh CEO of gold X gold Mining and UM,
Speaker 1: where would people go find out more information about the
Speaker 1: company or if they want to follow you? Do you
Speaker 1: have anything that you want to send people to gold
Speaker 1: next mining dot com. Uh, it's the place that to
Speaker 1: find us, UM and we're in the t sc uh
Speaker 1: g o xt okay cool well um, and I will
Speaker 1: definitely link to that in the show notes for everybody
Speaker 1: that's listening. And with that we are going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and sign it off, so thanks again and Paul.
Speaker 1: They chew, and tall they chew, and tall they chew,
Speaker 1: and tall they chew.