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Speaker 1: I recognized that we all have different definitions of success.

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Speaker 1: My next guest, big fan of this young man is

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Speaker 1: You Look So Much Better in Person. It's a great title.

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Speaker 1: His Journey is about his journey, but it teaches us

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Speaker 1: which is your mentor? And people see stuff and they

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Speaker 1: young man, Go there and challenge yourself. And that move

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Speaker 1: Today Show. Yep. And now you know we talked about

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Speaker 1: of You're right, right, right, right right, no, not properly

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Speaker 1: using multiple strees. Gotta have multiple streams. Ain't come if

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Speaker 1: you want to make the world today. Now, one of

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Speaker 1: those multiple streams of income. Is that our Roker Entertainment

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Speaker 1: it important that you start and produce things out of

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Speaker 1: that production company? What's your name? Well? You know, I

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Speaker 1: always wanted, as I said, I didn't want to be

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Speaker 1: I saw and they wanted me to do some more,

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Speaker 1: and I, why can't I produce these? So I asked

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Speaker 1: some for the Weather Channel and UH, Lifetime and some

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Speaker 1: other places where we're about to announce an animated series

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Speaker 1: very varied group of projects. One that looks at UH

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Speaker 1: veterans coming back with brain injuries with a group called

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Speaker 1: Life Aid. It's called Life Aid, A Story of Hope.

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Speaker 1: It's going to air the end of August on Discovery

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Speaker 1: American Heroes and Science Channel. Uh and and you know

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Speaker 1: have a voice, to be able to you know, have

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Speaker 1: what is the difference? Then? You know, I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: Arroca his great book you should buy it right now

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Speaker 1: called you look so much better in person? Uh? When when?

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Speaker 1: When you're because there's where you are a star. You're

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Speaker 1: a media star. Your television start, you're in a very

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Speaker 1: to whether jokingly or seriously, that's who you are. Now

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Speaker 1: What is the difference of the two other than the

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Speaker 1: fact that you are a media star as a talent.

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Speaker 1: Now you've become an immediate star as a producer. What's

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Speaker 1: the difference? Oh, you know, in a sense, they're they're

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Speaker 1: very much the same. And that you want to you

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you want people to come away

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Speaker 1: with you? Do you do you want them to feel

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Speaker 1: like they've wasted their time or do you want them

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Speaker 1: to feel like they've had some value added by watching

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Speaker 1: you or by watching something you've produced. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like to say that there's no show although my

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Speaker 1: kids are older now, but there's no show that I've

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Speaker 1: produced that I wouldn't be proud to have my kids

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Speaker 1: we could be a far bigger production company, but by

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Speaker 1: doing certain kinds of programs and I just don't want

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Speaker 1: to do those. And before we wrap up, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring this comment up and I want you to

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Speaker 1: respond to it. It's about hard work and sometimes when

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Speaker 1: I feel it was a major move to the success

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Speaker 1: that you are today, because that's what the book lays

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Speaker 1: this is what I had to do now. I was

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Speaker 1: I happy doing it? No, but I had to do it.

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Speaker 1: And it led to this and one of those examples

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Speaker 1: eight straight weeks with only two days off. You know

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Speaker 1: that could have been a breaking point. You could have

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Speaker 1: This is not right. You could, you could complain, but

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Speaker 1: it may sound corny, but I I love what I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean to be in this industry. People say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you work so hard. I said, you know what, My

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Speaker 1: a lot of overtime. Sometimes we wouldn't see him for

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Speaker 1: a couple of days. That's really hard work. This is work.

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Speaker 1: But I love what I'm doing. Uh, it's not a job,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's my my passion. So if in the

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Speaker 1: don't know if it is or not. But all I

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Speaker 1: know is that if I give somebody else the opportunity

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Speaker 1: I will put in the hours, I will bust my

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Speaker 1: butt to do it because I want. I want whatever

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Speaker 1: what came out of it? And NBC you got rolled

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Speaker 1: a chocolate cake, well, you know it was. It was

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Speaker 1: it was, well, thank you it tell me listen, you

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Speaker 1: that can happen. Luckily I'm not allergic to chocolate. Right. Well,

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