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Speaker 2: Yesterday after the close, a lot of the big tech

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Speaker 2: all the technology stuff for Bloomberg Intelligence. Man Deep metatrating

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Speaker 2: down ten percent. Let's start there. What's the market reacting to?

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Speaker 4: Doing some of the big earnings. Meta and Microsoft are

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to some of these earnings here.

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Speaker 2: Caterpillar some really strong numbers here, and when we want

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Speaker 7: Chris talked to us about Caterpillar here and their quarter.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, kat continues to deliver against pretty lofty

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Speaker 9: But I think really more importantly here, their record backlog

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Speaker 4: And this is something that Matt Griffin of Bloomberg News

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Speaker 4: how Caterpillar was another way to play the AI boom.

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Speaker 4: How much of this backlog and the growth that Caterpillar

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Speaker 9: So it's a large portion, right, It's you know, now

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Speaker 9: do we have all these secular tailwinds on the power

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Speaker 9: cyclical tailwinds start to kick in in terms of construction

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Speaker 2: And shares a Caterpillar today are up eight point eight

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Speaker 2: and eighty four percent on a trailing twelve month basis. Wow,

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Speaker 7: They need a ten for.

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Speaker 2: One split badly. I think so it is just because

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Speaker 2: of the power business matter. When I think it, you know,

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Speaker 7: Is this making this business less cyclical?

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Speaker 9: You know, it may help mitigate some of the cyclicality

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Speaker 9: But you're certainly seeing that, you know, the power gen

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm still kind of stunned by some of the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, as Paul alluded to, I mean, the

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