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Speaker 1: lot of shit has been going on the last couple
Speaker 1: of days. The NBA lottery was last night. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain words we shouldn't stay if we want to say,
Speaker 1: stay NBA friendly, but somehow, some motherfucking way. But I
Speaker 1: want to back up a little before we talk about
Speaker 1: the Mavericks getting the one the number one pick, because
Speaker 1: one of our producers told me that the Bulls and
Speaker 1: the Magic had the same records, so they had to
Speaker 1: flip a coin to see explain a little bit better Nate.
Speaker 3: So they had the eleven and twelve facades, So the
Speaker 3: coin flip dictated who basically got the better and then
Speaker 3: the Bulls ended up with twelve.
Speaker 1: And they got the twelfth pick. The Bulls had the
Speaker 1: twelfth pick and somehow the eleventh.
Speaker 3: It went differently in the hogs and the blottery balls
Speaker 3: would have stayed the same.
Speaker 2: It's the Bulls could have been the number one.
Speaker 1: They probably would have stayed the same. They probably would
Speaker 1: have stayed the same. What are your thoughts when you
Speaker 1: hear this? I mean, obviously the world stopped when Luca
Speaker 1: got traded for Anthony Davis, and Nico took a lot
Speaker 1: of shit. We've all known Nico for a long time.
Speaker 1: I always thought it was above Nico thought obviously that
Speaker 1: was an owner's decision. But you know what, two months
Speaker 1: later they were rewarded with Cooper flag sweep steaks. When
Speaker 1: you first saw that, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2: What's funny is when the trade happened, and you know,
Speaker 2: I've you know, I'm a Laker fan, so I know
Speaker 2: you know where the godfather of the NBA, We're the
Speaker 2: damn logo, right, But where the logo of the NBA
Speaker 2: Magic was When the NBA merged, Magic Johnson was the baby, right,
Speaker 2: So I followed Magic to the Lakers on the championship,
Speaker 2: you know, contending team, and then they get James Worthy
Speaker 2: of the number one pick while they're champions. Right, So
Speaker 2: I've followed the dynasty. It goes way back right this.
Speaker 2: I think only Elgin Baylor is the only we can
Speaker 2: consider superstar that didn't win a ring in the Laker uniform.
Speaker 2: So the legacy is the legacy. So when this trade happened,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting here like, Okay, that makes sense,
Speaker 2: and the rumors I'm here from Dallas is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that don't make sense. Right. You You you're a new owner,
Speaker 2: so you got to pay the ties, right, and the
Speaker 2: ties is, hey, you give this up for the betterment
Speaker 2: of this league and we'll reward you later. Right. You know,
Speaker 2: if you look at history, just every new owner somehow
Speaker 2: they get the number one picking within the first couple
Speaker 2: of years. I think the only one that hasn't is
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Nets owner. But they didn't got the Big three.
Speaker 2: They got d got something like when they came in,
Speaker 2: they got what Kevin Garnet, Joe Johnson and Pierce Right,
Speaker 2: it just didn't work out for him. But you know
Speaker 2: they've gotten their fair share of talent, you know, being
Speaker 2: a new franchise. So you know, it's it's like welcome
Speaker 2: to the boys club.
Speaker 1: So are we to say this is just the business
Speaker 1: of basketball? Is it safe to say that's the business
Speaker 1: of basketball?
Speaker 2: Yes, you know it's everything is a business. When you're
Speaker 2: talking about running empire, and the NBA is an empire,
Speaker 2: you want to make sure the right pieces are in
Speaker 2: the right places, right you really think you know, Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan would have pushed the NBA ford if he was
Speaker 2: in Was it a nasty market Portland somewhere? No, he
Speaker 2: went to a big market. You want your big stars
Speaker 2: in the big markets. When you look at before the
Speaker 2: top seventy five, when you look at the top fifty,
Speaker 2: was it forty of the fifty, we're in big markets, right,
Speaker 2: you know they were in the four Pinnacle markets. So
Speaker 2: I know this is a business. Dallas is a big market.
Speaker 2: You got somebody like Cooper Flag, you don't want him
Speaker 2: sitting in Charlotte. That doesn't help the NBA brand. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know when the trade happened, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: they will be rewarded, right, I figured that, you know
Speaker 2: their record, everything that happened, they were gonna get a
Speaker 2: top three pick. So I was you know, when I
Speaker 2: came out, I said, why is Anthony Davis coming back?
Speaker 2: That is pointless? Why are you trying to make the
Speaker 2: playoffs and jump out of the lottery right? That makes
Speaker 2: no sense. You know, this is no different than you know,
Speaker 2: Lakers getting Magic, Spurs getting Tim Duncan. If you look
Speaker 2: at their record two years before, you know, fifty something games.
Speaker 2: Then they had a bad year, people got hurt, they
Speaker 2: just set everybody ended up getting Tim Duncan. Then they
Speaker 2: win the right. So that's the same thing that I
Speaker 2: was thinking for Dallas that you know, if Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: doesn't help them get to the playoffs, you get a
Speaker 2: top three p pick, you get ace.
Speaker 1: Ale, you get Harper, one of them talented draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that actually helps you with the roster.
Speaker 1: You're you know, and and boom there you go, so
Speaker 1: number one pick. I mean, I always respect kind of
Speaker 1: your your mind of basketball. You know, there's talks on
Speaker 1: ESPN about potentially packaging that up. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: How do you think Cooper flag fits in with a
Speaker 1: healthy Because after that trade happened, I felt like this
Speaker 1: Dallas team was more fit for the playoffs and to
Speaker 1: make a run in the championship obviously than the Lakers were,
Speaker 1: and then the injury bug hit them. How does Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag fit in the mix? And do you see him
Speaker 1: playing the three?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, was he six seven and
Speaker 2: a half? So he's a three Today's three? Right?
Speaker 1: You have?
Speaker 2: That's just if everybody else up the Kay at the.
Speaker 1: One, you have Washington or Clay at the two.
Speaker 2: Probably put Clay at the two. You're gonna start Washington
Speaker 2: at first. But then obviously that goes to the Coop
Speaker 2: then Anthony Davis and Effort or Lively. I mean, you
Speaker 2: have a big ass team. You you really have a
Speaker 2: dominant team. And it doesn't put any pressure on Coop Flag.
Speaker 2: He gets to actually just be a system player, you know,
Speaker 2: fill himself around, no pressure because they're going to be winning.
Speaker 2: So you know, his legacy, you know, from the jump,
Speaker 2: gets pushed in front of everybody because he's gonna have
Speaker 2: the winning record. Now if he wins a ring within
Speaker 2: the next two years, he got his ring, and then
Speaker 2: for the rest of his career he just can collect
Speaker 2: stats versus the other way around. We get all the
Speaker 2: stats and then we're not called the winner. Then we
Speaker 2: got to try to find a way to win. He
Speaker 2: would get that winning stamp early in his career.
Speaker 1: Shout out Dallas overall for the fan base, you get
Speaker 1: Page Beckers with the big number one pick in the
Speaker 1: w NBA draft and then you rewarded with Cooper Flag
Speaker 1: and I'm happy for the fan base. That's a great
Speaker 1: fan base out there. Obviously, what Mark Cuban was able
Speaker 1: to do with that organization was was second to none.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously they you know, hit a little
Speaker 1: rough patch with the new ownership, but again, you know
Speaker 1: the business of basketball has allowed them to rebound and
Speaker 1: get every went healthy and make a move other notable
Speaker 1: questionable I think that's a better word. Questionable lotteries Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis in twenty twelve Pelicans right after the team was
Speaker 1: sold to Benson. Yeah, random Kyrie Irving twenty eleven, right
Speaker 1: after Lebron goes to Miami.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's right after Mark, I mean with Cuban
Speaker 2: bought his team, but you had Lebron and then you know.
Speaker 1: He leaves Patrick Ewing with the frozen envelope in eighty five,
Speaker 1: interesting Zion after the Pelicans trade ad to Lakers. One
Speaker 1: thing about the Pelicans have been rewarded because I want
Speaker 1: to say the ad shit happened when Chris Paul got traded,
Speaker 1: right when Chris Paul left.
Speaker 3: That was right on the same timeline that denied Lakers
Speaker 3: trade and the team at that point.
Speaker 1: And then the Bess well remember Genie was telling us
Speaker 1: how that shit happened, right like it was a big
Speaker 1: meeting somewhere and somehow, some way, anyway, long story, it.
Speaker 2: Was because you know, I was in Orlando at the time,
Speaker 2: So because they wanted Dwhite, right, So you know Lakers
Speaker 2: wanted d White. So there was a bunch of moving parts.
Speaker 2: In the first moving part was Chris Paul getting to LA. Now,
Speaker 2: the reason the deal got messed up because Lakers had
Speaker 2: too much money left over, right, So what happened was
Speaker 2: you have Chris Paul going to LA. Then you have
Speaker 2: for Powel Lamar, Poulin Lamar because I was on that team.
Speaker 2: So now you got Pola Lamar. Now think about you
Speaker 2: probably got eight or nine million dollars left over. Then
Speaker 2: what happens is you Amnesty run our test for his
Speaker 2: eight nine million, which gives you eighteen million and done.
Speaker 2: In the back burner. You had DWIGHTE. Howard getting traded
Speaker 2: for buying them. Right, So now you have the White
Speaker 2: cp Aloi and Kobe, but you got about eighteen million
Speaker 2: dollars free, and then the cap went up, so they
Speaker 2: had about twenty four million dollars. And then at that
Speaker 2: in time, twenty four million. You got your two max
Speaker 2: players because you start them off at twelve, right, so
Speaker 2: Kobe had twenty So Kobe was on twenty four million.
Speaker 2: But think about what Lebron James and Lebron James and
Speaker 2: Chris Boss signed for Miami. They starting basis about twelve
Speaker 2: million dollars one on nine. How you started off, so
Speaker 2: you you backloaded, right, so you started them both off
Speaker 2: at twelve. You had them near the USA team on
Speaker 2: one team, and then Kobe would have been up. You
Speaker 2: got twenty four million dollars free. You didn't even have
Speaker 2: to sign Kobe back. You can go back and sign
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and somebody else. So you would have had
Speaker 2: the USA team on the latest. And when Mark Cuban
Speaker 2: found that out, he he called foul play and then
Speaker 2: they had to move Chris Paul. They had to push
Speaker 2: Chris Paul to the CLIPPERSWN the Hall way.
Speaker 4: Question for Gil for speak to New Orleans, always talk
Speaker 4: about expansion. Do you see there being too pure expansion
Speaker 4: teams they want located.
Speaker 2: Listen, there's some ship markets and when you're talking about business,
Speaker 2: you know it's it's it's really all about business, and
Speaker 2: you got to put you got to put teams in
Speaker 2: big market. There has to be a team in Vegas. Obviously, Charlotte.
Speaker 2: I don't know why Charlotte still has a team.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Would you call Seattle a big market or
Speaker 1: just a great sports town?
Speaker 2: Great sports town? Right? If I was the commissioner, there'd
Speaker 2: be three teams in LA. There'd be three teams in
Speaker 2: New York. Right, There'd be another team in Miami. Right,
Speaker 2: There'd be another fucking team in Dallas or somewhere around
Speaker 2: in the Texas area. Right, I'm gonna milk the market.
Speaker 2: Like when you think about shoe companies, there's there's four
Speaker 2: teams that are called Tier ones Lakers, Clippers, New York Knicks,
Speaker 2: and Brooklyn Nets. Boston there tier two with Miami and Chicago.
Speaker 2: So basically LA and New York are Tier ones for
Speaker 2: shoe companies. So you know, if you if you're thinking
Speaker 2: about that, you might as well put another team, put
Speaker 2: one in Manhattan, and then you know, put one you
Speaker 2: know somewhere else in la you know the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: put one back in San Diego.
Speaker 1: The number two pick with the Spurs, to me, was
Speaker 1: really interesting because there's a lot of talk for the
Speaker 1: first time actually coming from Giannis that he's interested in
Speaker 1: kind of moving. He wants a winning situation, he wants
Speaker 1: a bigger market. With the depth in this draft, with
Speaker 1: the Ace, Bailey's and the Harpers, do you see the
Speaker 1: Spurs packaging that up and possibly going after Jiannis.
Speaker 2: The biggest question is Giannis is still in the mind
Speaker 2: frame of winning championships, and I don't see how he
Speaker 2: is convinced that he will win a championship with Winby
Speaker 2: and within the next.
Speaker 1: Year in Fox. How does three four years years old thirty.
Speaker 2: So you're talking about by the time Winby comes into
Speaker 2: his own where he is a problem of the NBA
Speaker 2: you're talking about twenty twenty three, four five. I don't
Speaker 2: see Yiannis doing that.
Speaker 1: Where do you see him being a good fit at
Speaker 1: I mean there's teams throwing out there, and obviously teams
Speaker 1: that have, you know, capital to play with whether that
Speaker 1: be picks or cash.
Speaker 2: He don't have a trade clause, so if I'm bucks,
Speaker 2: I really don't give a ship where he wants to go.
Speaker 1: Right, I know he's been so you wouldn't, So you
Speaker 1: wouldn't honor that.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would honor myself. I would honor myself,
Speaker 2: and I would be looking at two teams. I would Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be looking at Houston Rockets, right, and I'm
Speaker 2: talking about bringing back assets. I'm you know, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at their roster like all right, I'm gonna go for
Speaker 2: a man first, but i know Houston will back down
Speaker 2: on that. So I'm gonna say, can I still jailing
Speaker 2: green from him? Because how he played in the playoffs?
Speaker 2: Let me see if I can get that up off
Speaker 2: of you. Right, I'm gonna go for Easton and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go for Jabari Smith. Give me both them, and
Speaker 2: then you know you got two shooters on the bench.
Speaker 2: You got Reid and you got the whitmore. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'll say, yeah, give me all of those and we
Speaker 2: could make this trade and then the other one would
Speaker 2: be okay. See right, you got a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: picks and you have a bunch of assets that you
Speaker 2: probably can't afford. Right, you got Shade is going to
Speaker 2: sign a Supermax then you know you got check that's
Speaker 2: up right, you can need to sign him an extension
Speaker 2: right now, or you have to wait. And Williams Williams.
Speaker 2: Both Williams is up at the same time. So you
Speaker 2: got four players that's young that's up at the same time.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna see if you're you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: give me check. Just give me check and then a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of a whole bunch of picks.
Speaker 3: That's the extension eligible this offseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so him and Jalen Janan Williams too, you had
Speaker 2: to both. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I read an article about Steph and Gianni's having some
Speaker 1: kind of undercover nice friendship, Like Giannis was the only
Speaker 1: outside worried that attended Steph's All Star party this last
Speaker 1: All Star There's always been talks about him possibly going there.
Speaker 1: Do you see I mean, obviously we know STEP's on
Speaker 1: his way out. I mean they would be rebuilding around
Speaker 1: Giannis once Steph is gone. Do you see Golden State
Speaker 1: being a dark horse in this at all?
Speaker 2: Or no? Yeah? I really believe that, you know, if
Speaker 2: I'm if I'm higher up, and I'm thinking I need
Speaker 2: I need more of these. I need more Euros and
Speaker 2: big markets, right, I need, you know, I need someone
Speaker 2: over in New York, you know. I think he could
Speaker 2: end up in New York or Golden State, San Francisco,
Speaker 2: And I think just how business minded he is at
Speaker 2: a at a at a young age. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: not young, but I think he will kill the market
Speaker 2: in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: I'm not reading into this too much, but if you
Speaker 4: are at All Star, you know the Warriors Arena, how
Speaker 4: there's that square and the plaster players, the two players
Speaker 4: that were plastered and the Warriors where were steph they
Speaker 4: were foreshadowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean good. I mean if you're if you're
Speaker 2: San Francisco, I mean I would hope you would be
Speaker 2: smart enough to, you know, kind of pamper to the
Speaker 2: guy you're trying to, you know, still away.
Speaker 1: Outside of Cooper Flag, obviously we spoke to the depth
Speaker 1: of this draft. Who else do you really like in
Speaker 1: this draft? Outside of Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2: I like Ace Bailey. I think I think his ceiling
Speaker 2: is very scary right bottom end. He's probably you know,
Speaker 2: Brendan Ingram b I, which is all star to me.
Speaker 2: I like Harper right, very solid kid? Was it Trey Johnson?
Speaker 2: And then I like the bohemian kid vjh.
Speaker 5: Ight.
Speaker 2: I like the big kid. He listed at six to
Speaker 2: ten and a half, which is crazy. He's like a
Speaker 2: it's like a queen from Maryland.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he's a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like his skill set.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What's so funny is it's whoever gets him you
Speaker 2: got to steal. And if you're not a smart general manager,
Speaker 2: he will slip in a draft like Jokish did. When
Speaker 2: you're in these drafts and you're playing one by yourself,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see his skill set, right. The skills
Speaker 2: set that he has is a five on five game.
Speaker 2: So you're sitting there playing by himself, sitting here doing this.
Speaker 2: You don't see his vision. You can't see none of that.
Speaker 2: He looks too slow, you can't see how he plays
Speaker 2: his body. Right. So if I'm san Antonio with the
Speaker 2: two pick, I might I'm not mad at that. That
Speaker 2: might be the guy that I actually with because he
Speaker 2: is a If you think about Spurs, Spurs are still
Speaker 2: old school where they've dominated with two bigs. I have
Speaker 2: a low post big with him that's seven foot with
Speaker 2: his shoes on. And then I have seven six guy
Speaker 2: who's I don't know what the fuck he is, right,
Speaker 2: you know, two, three, four one whatever, Right, that's him.
Speaker 2: So the fact that I can play inside out with
Speaker 2: these two, I think the Spurs probably go after him. Interesting,
Speaker 2: it's you already got guard play, right, and then most
Speaker 2: of guards. You got Harper, you have VJ. You have Trey,
Speaker 2: I have that already, I have Fox, and I have
Speaker 2: my Hasslwood, so I don't need them, right, So you know,
Speaker 2: now you have at the three, right, you have Bailey
Speaker 2: and then the only really skilled players there is the
Speaker 2: kid from Maryland.
Speaker 1: Moving to the Knick Celtics first and foremost that hasn't beneficially.
Speaker 1: Now for we want to send love out to Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: Those non contact injuries are always scary, and I just
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys have talked about this on
Speaker 1: your show. Why is he scrutinized so much and not
Speaker 1: respected for what he's accomplished thus far? Where he's had
Speaker 1: his team in the Eastern Finals, having the years win
Speaker 1: the championship, always had the numbers. Why do you think
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is scrutinized or maybe not scrutinized, maybe not
Speaker 1: the right word disrespected. I don't know. Why do you
Speaker 1: think he doesn't get the respect he deserves in this league?
Speaker 2: Yet? The media outside of the players media just old
Speaker 2: school media. They don't respect early greatness. Right, It's like
Speaker 2: it's better for you to be bad good than win
Speaker 2: versus coming in at eighteen nineteen and being good and
Speaker 2: sustaining it until you win. Right. So, the fact that
Speaker 2: he's been to the Eastern Conference, fights, been to the
Speaker 2: they're counting these losses against him and saying, well, he's
Speaker 2: not it. Well at twenty five, can you name another
Speaker 2: player who's been in that situe?
Speaker 1: Look at his accolades compared to shit we we talked
Speaker 1: about here, compared to Shay same age and Jason's accolades
Speaker 1: night and day better than Shay's accolades.
Speaker 2: He's top five in history. There's only like I did
Speaker 2: a it was someone who won a championship, got one championship.
Speaker 2: I think it was like four or five All NBA
Speaker 2: First Team with at least five All Stars. There's only
Speaker 2: four or five of them him is like him, Jannis Kareem.
Speaker 2: It was him, Janni's Kareem. I don't think it would
Speaker 2: all start MVP. I don't think magic was in there,
Speaker 2: but it was only like four or five. And I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: you don't treat him like this though. You treat him
Speaker 2: like he's done, washed up fail when most of this
Speaker 2: type of talent don't really peak until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2: To the fact that he's had this early success but
Speaker 2: he failed.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course he failed, but but.
Speaker 2: You you're supposed to give these guys time to perform,
Speaker 2: and the fact that you know you're you're you can't
Speaker 2: use magic, you can't use Tim Duncan because they went
Speaker 2: into great situations. But for the most part, the number
Speaker 2: one picks are going to trash teams, meaning it's gonna
Speaker 2: take them some time to build that first. I gotta
Speaker 2: be a smart franchise to understand what his talent is
Speaker 2: and then build around his talent for him to be successful.
Speaker 2: So most of your number one picks and the guys
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be the faces of the league,
Speaker 2: they go into trash situation. So their first four years
Speaker 2: is losing and then and then they turn it around,
Speaker 2: so the fact that he he won early, I think
Speaker 2: he gets penalized.
Speaker 1: Against him anyway, Bro, I hope he gets better. But Nicks,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, the Knicks, I think have surprised
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Jalen Brunson arguably has been the
Speaker 1: best player thus far in the playoffs, thirty nine and
Speaker 1: twelve in the victory last night over the Celtics. He's
Speaker 1: averaging what thirty eight and four on forty four percent,
Speaker 1: shooting thirty seven for the three, leads the playoff in
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, scoring by thirty more than anybody else. What
Speaker 1: have you seen from him? In my question, I almost
Speaker 1: feel bad that I had this question before, but it
Speaker 1: was a reasonable question. I said before the playoffs started,
Speaker 1: maybe a month before or after all Star, can your
Speaker 1: number one guy be Jalen Brunson and can your number
Speaker 1: two guy be Cat and make it to the fun
Speaker 1: I think I said win, but even make it to
Speaker 1: the finals. And I think they're both proven, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of that question that they can. But what have
Speaker 1: you seen in Brunson and the Knicks thus far?
Speaker 2: You know, if you're if you're a scout, if you're
Speaker 2: an owner, general manager, you should be really looking at
Speaker 2: Brunson as real true analytics. You our NBA is designed
Speaker 2: now because of Steph and Clay and that franchise. But
Speaker 2: nobody else has a Stephan a Clay. You don't have
Speaker 2: an offense with a Stephan the Clay, right, you don't
Speaker 2: have those type of guys. But you're building this let's
Speaker 2: play small ball. Everyone shoots a bunch of threes. They
Speaker 2: shot a lot of threes, those two players, not the
Speaker 2: rest of the team. Right, you have this this analytics
Speaker 2: system where everyone we got fifty threes, and that means
Speaker 2: everyone gets to take them. Everyone shouldn't be Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: not how it works. Sean Liviston didn't take fucking six
Speaker 2: threes yo, Right, he played his game, Barbosa played his game,
Speaker 2: igual Dolla played his game. Only those two and then
Speaker 2: when Katie got those three, did the bulk of the
Speaker 2: three point shooting. Now you got five, six, seven guys
Speaker 2: run around touching the ball, just getting in the game,
Speaker 2: launching threes. That's Boston's system, right, And I'm looking at
Speaker 2: their games and I'm watching them when they do lose.
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you play against a team who plays
Speaker 2: regular basketball, right where their main guy attacks the basket,
Speaker 2: plays the mid range and gets the free throw line,
Speaker 2: and you'd be having these ten for sixty, these fifteen
Speaker 2: forty five. You're gonna lose because you don't shoot enough
Speaker 2: twos to win a game like that. And you know,
Speaker 2: I put it on Giannis. I said, y'all played Giannis
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Y'all are gonna You're gonna have one
Speaker 2: great shooting game, one great half, two horribles. You can
Speaker 2: fuck around lose a series to a team like that.
Speaker 2: Then you go against Brunson, right, which let's be honest,
Speaker 2: it should be four old. They they've down twenty. They've
Speaker 2: never looked like they were in this series. And what
Speaker 2: ends up happening is you're you're not disciplined not to
Speaker 2: take the open three, and you're taking these hard side
Speaker 2: step thirty five footers on big men. Right. If you're
Speaker 2: shooting a side step three on bruntson, okay, but you're
Speaker 2: shooting it on Cad and Mitchell like, these guys can
Speaker 2: contest that. So you're gonna shoot yourself out the games.
Speaker 2: And Brunton, Brunton and Micheale, they played a mid range attacking.
Speaker 2: They don't settle and all they have to do, be
Speaker 2: close enough to you. So when you go on that
Speaker 2: zero to ten from the three and they're sitting there
Speaker 2: shooting two's, they're gonna catch you. And that's what that's
Speaker 2: what's happening right. Brunson's father was old NBA mid range
Speaker 2: drive down, and that's what you're losing to. You're losing
Speaker 2: to a guy who's not playing etelic basketball. He's playing
Speaker 2: You can't guard men. I'm not gonna settle. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not bailing you out. Play defense. Him and Shade,
Speaker 2: they're playing the same style. No, you play defense, dog,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't need to shoot this.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bail you out.
Speaker 2: I've never seen the NBA where I've never seen great
Speaker 2: players get a miss ma like with Tatum before he
Speaker 2: went down. You're doing a pick and roll and you
Speaker 2: have cat on you. You got bigfoot, Guarden you dog.
Speaker 2: He has women legs with big Foot like he looks
Speaker 2: like SpongeBob side side show. It was a side show.
Speaker 2: He looks like I showed Bob. No, he got he
Speaker 2: got Mary j. Blid, he got his girl's legs. Right,
Speaker 2: you're telling me you don't just straight line this dude,
Speaker 2: your side stepping on him shooting fifty for the man.
Speaker 2: If you don't go down here, lord hire man, that
Speaker 2: is crazy. He can't even turn that. They can't turn
Speaker 2: that fast with then with his mama hips, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You said he's got his mama's hips.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: In side show bob feet and you're shooting step back.
Speaker 2: The side, step threees on that, like look even in
Speaker 2: the post, like I just look at like he's a
Speaker 2: great like that is a great player if you don't
Speaker 2: know how he plays basketball, right, he's a finesse guy
Speaker 2: that seems like he actually hasn't developed a skill since
Speaker 2: he came into the league. But you know that comes
Speaker 2: from we don't scout right into the playoffs and when
Speaker 2: you watch him here is like you have Jason Tatum
Speaker 2: Garden and you the whole gaming you didn't post up
Speaker 2: that one time, and then when you post up, you
Speaker 2: can't get around him. Right.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing in Minnesota, say you know what
Speaker 1: I mean is like, you know he has been playing
Speaker 1: well in these playoffs, he's.
Speaker 2: Been playing decent, but you have a guy on you
Speaker 2: that is the best player on that team, and he
Speaker 2: don't want to get in foul trouble, right, So if
Speaker 2: you really start attacking him, they're gonna want to They're
Speaker 2: gonna have to double to keep him out of foul trouble, right,
Speaker 2: which opens up the game for everybody else, make easier
Speaker 2: shots for McHale and og in a corner. But the
Speaker 2: fact that you are pick and pop every single.
Speaker 1: Time, just like it's just so annoying crazy fourth quarter
Speaker 1: points to the first ten games since nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson one hundred and two, Kobe had and three
Speaker 1: had one hundred, Kobe and one had one hundred, Stephan
Speaker 1: twenty three had ninety nine, and then Kobe and eight
Speaker 1: had ninety nine. Brunson's on the tear right now. Obviously
Speaker 1: he won Clutch Player of the Year, didn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's averaging ten a game in the playoffs,
Speaker 3: four in the fourth and that's number one behind Mitchell and.
Speaker 2: Ann h So, I mean the Kobe one is more
Speaker 2: technically is more impressive because you're talking about zone and shock, right,
Speaker 2: the fact that.
Speaker 1: You're because you played in our era in that so
Speaker 1: we were having a debate. They were having a debate
Speaker 1: earlier as far as Brunson and Allen Iverson, and my
Speaker 1: whole thing was they were looking at the straight numbers.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you also have to realize the air
Speaker 1: of basketball with the defensive word, and who could could
Speaker 1: protect the rim at that time when Allen was playing,
Speaker 1: when you were playing, when I were playing, and when
Speaker 1: Brunts was playing. You can't name five shot blockers in
Speaker 1: the league now that the league had shot blockers in
Speaker 1: those times. What are your thoughts when when people we
Speaker 1: were just fucking around when we were comparing Allen Iverson
Speaker 1: and Jaylen Brunson, and I.
Speaker 2: Hope people don't take this. They're like Iverson all five
Speaker 2: players were trying to guard him, right, you know, we
Speaker 2: we knew the zipper, We knew what he was coming.
Speaker 2: Iverson cut gonna go around and double, and we all
Speaker 2: we don't care who he had. Like if you think
Speaker 2: about a team, none of them can shoot outside of
Speaker 2: ten fe I mean you had not you had McKee, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had you know him was I'm gonna take one
Speaker 2: or two maybe a game. So for the most part,
Speaker 2: there was no you wasn't spreading our team, no team
Speaker 2: out and he was still getting where he wanted to
Speaker 2: that's how good he was as a talent. Alan Iris
Speaker 2: and more talented, more dangerous. But you know, Brunson has
Speaker 2: a skill set that is that is only given to
Speaker 2: certain type of you know men. Jordan had it, Cob
Speaker 2: had it. I think Brunton mentally is the closest thing
Speaker 2: to what Kobe was in the fourth quarter, Right, no
Speaker 2: matter what happens, he can be zero for twenty in
Speaker 2: the last five minutes, you already know everything went out
Speaker 2: the window. It is different. He's gonna go four for five.
Speaker 2: He's gonna put the team on his back. And it's
Speaker 2: hard to find that skill, right, and he's a guy
Speaker 2: who has he he has it like he is like
Speaker 2: what you know when Dame was them years Dame was
Speaker 2: like fourth quarter banded and hitting them big shots. That's
Speaker 2: Brunting every It's like it's every game. It's like he
Speaker 2: does not fail, Like I don't care what any of it.
Speaker 2: He does not fit. He's never disappointed in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: no big game, right, no matter what happens in the
Speaker 2: first three man them last five minutes, that man shows up.
Speaker 1: And he's one of I was talking about this the
Speaker 1: other I mean him and Steph and STEP's hurt right now?
Speaker 1: Who has you jumping outside out your seat down stretch
Speaker 1: time with the shots he's hitting, whether it be step back, three's,
Speaker 1: mid range, sit down, playing off too like Brunson, has
Speaker 1: completely taken over these playoffs and I love it. Moving
Speaker 1: on to the Warriors and the Wolves. Obviously step down
Speaker 1: with the hamming. They're up three to one, but I
Speaker 1: really want to point out what obviously Anthony Edwards has
Speaker 1: been doing twenty seven, eight and four and forty two
Speaker 1: percent from the three. But Randall. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people wrote and gave Nix the nod in this
Speaker 1: trade during the regular season, but I initially said a
Speaker 1: long time ago, and I want someone to pull it up.
Speaker 1: Randall's a fucking dog, just like ant Is, and if
Speaker 1: they ever got their chemistry, look out. Whether we feel
Speaker 1: like they have their chemistry or not, he's playing a
Speaker 1: lot better at Randall's at twenty four, eight and six
Speaker 1: a game, his numbers arepped nearly five points in the
Speaker 1: scoring mark, and he's been a driving force. Everything is
Speaker 1: really out the window. You know, Boston's on their way out,
Speaker 1: Cleveland could possibly be on their way out. Okay, see
Speaker 1: big game tonight in a two to two series. Minnesota
Speaker 1: made the Western Finals last year and looks like they're
Speaker 1: gonna make it again this year. What is your thought
Speaker 1: on their team and just the way they play?
Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. I'm gonna just be honest with you, man,
Speaker 2: like it ain't pretty. It's not like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: Laker fans. So they beat us, so you know, I
Speaker 2: can't really speak on you know, that series. But when
Speaker 2: you look at a team that can match the youth,
Speaker 2: they struggle basketball, right, you know, I really don't think
Speaker 2: they do have their chemistry. I think yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, because of the playoffs in the style
Speaker 2: of the game that they have to play, it fits
Speaker 2: random better because now the game is slower. You got
Speaker 2: to go to the half court. They're loading up on you.
Speaker 2: Now you got to come to me. And in regular
Speaker 2: season they didn't have to. It's more up and down.
Speaker 2: So he kind of got lost in the offense. Well,
Speaker 2: he's his style is old school style is so let
Speaker 2: me take advantage. That's playoff basketball. You need ISO players
Speaker 2: a little bit more when you know, things break down
Speaker 2: on a team aspect. So he's playing very well and
Speaker 2: man is going to do what Man is going to do.
Speaker 2: You know they're going to get through this series. But
Speaker 2: you know, once Steph went down, I don't know how
Speaker 2: you not just beat on this team because they can't score.
Speaker 2: You don't there's nobody on the team that is gonna
Speaker 2: drop fifth. They don't even have the capability to drop fifty,
Speaker 2: not one single person on that team. Right, you know,
Speaker 2: you have Jimmy buckets, but Jimmy plays. He plays winning basketball,
Speaker 2: and winning basketball is not selfish. Right, So last night
Speaker 2: he took nine shots, and you're sitting there like, yo,
Speaker 2: I don't know how we win with you taking nine shots.
Speaker 2: You're the best player, you're the best player on the floor.
Speaker 2: You can claim that you're the most clutch player on
Speaker 2: the floor because you know, Man hasn't really proved that
Speaker 2: aspect yet. So you're the most dangerous guy within the
Speaker 2: last five minutes and you're taking nine shots in the
Speaker 2: game where we don't have Steph and and our second
Speaker 2: best player is coming off the bench and they don't
Speaker 2: really care about him.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: They're forced to playoff.
Speaker 1: Hey, he's been hooping though to with thirty two games ago,
Speaker 1: but you have last night twenty five. Yeah, it's it's ugly.
Speaker 2: It's not pretty ugly twenty two year old basket the draft.
Speaker 3: I mean the trade value of him as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, listen, it's I don't think they want
Speaker 2: to get rid of him, but I don't think they
Speaker 2: want to pay him what he's worth. You know, they
Speaker 2: offered them one hundred thirty something and you know he
Speaker 2: turned it down, So it's like, are you gonna turn
Speaker 2: it down? I'm just gonna bench you, and you know
Speaker 2: we're gonna let you go get that money and hopefully
Speaker 2: you know, because if you get a hundred, we're just
Speaker 2: gonna masch that shit, or you're gonna to be restricted.
Speaker 3: They didn't extend if he denied the extension, so that
Speaker 3: means I would open them.
Speaker 2: Up your show.
Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations, I remember you trying to build
Speaker 1: that and what you've been able to turn that to
Speaker 1: and is amazing obviously a million subs already. What is
Speaker 1: your goal with that show? Because I've also seen you
Speaker 1: start to dip your water on linear, I've seen you
Speaker 1: doing your thing on ESPN with your button up shirts
Speaker 1: and everything. I know again with your basketball mind, I
Speaker 1: know that's exciting to you for what, so what is
Speaker 1: the goal for your show as a whole and then
Speaker 1: you individually as far as exploring other options.
Speaker 2: Congratulations you too. You know what's so funny is, you
Speaker 2: know I started off on YouTube and then when I
Speaker 2: went with Fubo, I went to linear, So I was
Speaker 2: on linear before and then you know, I.
Speaker 1: Remember we're doing those things during the playoffs. Yeah, smoke
Speaker 1: on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you know, oh that's what that's where
Speaker 2: this idea came from.
Speaker 1: How was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm when when I'm going back and looking
Speaker 2: at the footbo stuff and I'm looking at the idea
Speaker 2: and we all just they're just chilling, and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here like it might be the most bulletproof format if
Speaker 2: I get four of us, just like you know, Charles
Speaker 2: Barklin and how we're doing it and we're talking everyday sports.
Speaker 2: I don't need the guests, and I don't have to
Speaker 2: run into guests canceling and all that when we already
Speaker 2: don't booked them and it's just us. We are the guests.
Speaker 2: And then if we do get a guest, that's just
Speaker 2: a plus. But the structure of the show doesn't need
Speaker 2: to guess, right, So you know, thinking about the idea,
Speaker 2: and then showtime, you know, reached out and I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, what do you what are you offering? Right?
Speaker 2: You already have a basketball show? What do you What
Speaker 2: is the point happened two? That makes makes no sense
Speaker 2: to me. So I was like, I'm treated like a
Speaker 2: drug deal. Cut out the middle man. Just go straight
Speaker 2: to the plug and just go straight to the manufacturer. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I went straight to Underdog, pitched them idea
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, listen, I have a YouTube channel
Speaker 2: that has about one hundred eighteen thousand people instead of
Speaker 2: Son from zero. What's up? Like, we can be the platform?
Speaker 2: And they thought about it, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's do it. Then I was like, okay, hey, I
Speaker 2: have a basement. Right, I have a basement. We can
Speaker 2: do it right here in the house. And my idea
Speaker 2: was the same as a landlord, right in the week,
Speaker 2: come and build your build your builcher one hundred you
Speaker 2: know lighter they built. Yeah, you know you got two
Speaker 2: crops out of here, a police, there's some people growing
Speaker 2: in the building, right, go ahead, kick them on out.
Speaker 2: And then I have the structure of it. So basically
Speaker 2: the idea was you know, if you know, they come,
Speaker 2: build the whole structure, put everything in there, and if
Speaker 2: we have a fallen out, it's it's my ship and
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I just need the whole setup
Speaker 2: to make it perfect and then I can run my
Speaker 2: own thing. And then just over time, we just built this,
Speaker 2: this this relationship where you know, it's basically open wallet,
Speaker 2: check just keep doing you Wow.
Speaker 1: So is the goal to that to keep it where
Speaker 1: it is, stay digital or would you like to get
Speaker 1: that on a linear platform as a whole, or what
Speaker 1: is your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Realizing that we have more wiggle room than linear, you know,
Speaker 2: linear is they have a certain time and if something happens,
Speaker 2: they got to wait till tomorrow. We can just go
Speaker 2: straight on our platform and push out the content. Well,
Speaker 2: we can drown them out right. And I think they've
Speaker 2: realized that because those big wigs come into YouTube that
Speaker 2: you don't have production.
Speaker 1: They trying to figure out how to be able to
Speaker 1: footprint in a space and it can't.
Speaker 2: Because one, it's one of you and you're not good
Speaker 2: by yourself right as your production team and all that.
Speaker 2: That doesn't work here. You have to be entertaining and you,
Speaker 2: and really none of you guys have that kind of
Speaker 2: skill and discipline and talent. Right, everything has been given
Speaker 2: to you. So what happens is now is okay? With
Speaker 2: with with ours? I'm like, well, you guys are going
Speaker 2: to need shows since everything is moving towards programming. Netflix
Speaker 2: has a live right, Patreon just got live right, you
Speaker 2: have you know, NBC coming back, they have Peacock, and
Speaker 2: you have all these things, and you guys have lives.
Speaker 2: You guys need shows. So since I don't have a network, right,
Speaker 2: you need licensing, right, And I don't care who whatever
Speaker 2: group you put together, I'm out entertain them, right, because
Speaker 2: one thing you guys don't know. You guys think names,
Speaker 2: not personality. Personality is entertainment.
Speaker 1: You're looking at names, and all these major networks attack names,
Speaker 1: and some of them work, but a lot of the
Speaker 1: names could have been great players. And this is all
Speaker 1: due respect, like the personalities and the ability to come
Speaker 1: across as entertainment is not there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they got fooled because they had two
Speaker 2: golden nuggets that actually fed. You have Charles Barkley, who
Speaker 2: was great and entertaining. You had Shaquille O'Neil and entertainment. Right,
Speaker 2: So you have two guys, So when you're thinking about
Speaker 2: names like, oh yeah, we just need the big names. No,
Speaker 2: that it's the entertainer himselves. You have to go after personality.
Speaker 2: The personalities that you are scared of is what actually
Speaker 2: bring you your notes?
Speaker 1: What what do you contribute the chemistry slash chaos of
Speaker 1: your group two? I mean, you guys can argue one
Speaker 1: day and hug the next second. But it's like you said,
Speaker 1: it's real though, and Nick the other day and branding
Speaker 1: bugging out like you guys have a cast of characters
Speaker 1: that make it work.
Speaker 2: You remember Kobe said, knowing the scout reporters cool. Knowing
Speaker 2: your own team is the talent. You got to know
Speaker 2: what your teammates can do and cancel. You got to
Speaker 2: know them like the back of their hand. So I
Speaker 2: study them so I know the trigger points right right,
Speaker 2: I know you know what I mean? I know I
Speaker 2: can look at the rundown and say, all right, I
Speaker 2: know he's going to go against me on that. So
Speaker 2: let me boom boom boom boom boom. Let me set
Speaker 2: a trap for like, so I know how to really
Speaker 2: manipulate it. And then from there you guys, be yourselves right,
Speaker 2: just do what you do and I'll figure out the
Speaker 2: entertainment part in it. Right. So like even with Kenyan
Speaker 2: and Nick right, and I see them going that, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, cut the live, cut the live right to
Speaker 2: make it seem like it's more intense. And then once
Speaker 2: I cut the live, now the idea of what happen.
Speaker 2: Now everybody wants to know what happened? Well, how did
Speaker 2: this start? What happened?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Because if we keep the live going on and they
Speaker 2: eventually calm down and work it out, it takes away
Speaker 2: from hixcited right. So it's always trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what the entertainment aspect of it is and always going
Speaker 2: into the segment trying to figure out and when the
Speaker 2: moment comes, capitalize on it. And you know, I told
Speaker 2: steven A. I remember when steven A, him and Lebron
Speaker 2: was going back and forth and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: watched today, and I'm just thinking, don't do stephen A.
Speaker 2: Steven A, don't do you right. And if I know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do is you're gonna be serious and
Speaker 2: you're going to go in deep. And that's the wrong
Speaker 2: approach because he hit you with comedy. He made fun
Speaker 2: of you with the boxing stuff, right, you can't go
Speaker 2: serious that. It never played that never plays as well,
Speaker 2: never plays well. You have to be short comedy. So
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there thinking like it's probably too late, and
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, listen, call Mayweather, right, call Mayweather,
Speaker 2: have some boxing shorts on, right, have yeah, come in
Speaker 2: here like straight boxing up with the what's the name?
Speaker 2: And then you call him out, call him out retro
Speaker 2: National TV, say you got your trainer Mayweather right now?
Speaker 2: And I'm ready to go right and and be funny
Speaker 2: with no. I was like I was getting ready to it.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I mean, And I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here. That's how I would have walked in to
Speaker 2: the studio calling out Lebron James, knowing he can't do anything.
Speaker 2: It's gonna say yeah, and you get to you you
Speaker 2: keep it going because it's all about the radis in
Speaker 2: entertainment and that's what you know. If I'm pitching myself
Speaker 2: the first take, that's what I am, right, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: that guy who can bring who brings in the YouTube
Speaker 2: and the youth into that platform, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: like you know licensing a part of Gills Arena, right,
Speaker 2: so I know, you know around the horn is gone, right,
Speaker 2: so you need programming at that five A at five
Speaker 2: o'clock spots at five to five thirty. Hey, here we go,
Speaker 2: we can go live. I have my studios already built
Speaker 2: for live.
Speaker 1: We're in La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have our network. I don't even have to gore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get you know, we can. We're right here. So
Speaker 2: I have the structure, you know, to fill that spot in.
Speaker 2: But you know, Amazon's calling. I talked to NBC, you know,
Speaker 2: going to you know, I think they was in what
Speaker 2: somewhere in New York that East and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: they what they have coming? It's going to be really good,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be it's gonna be good for the
Speaker 2: league itself. And you know, with I think, with us
Speaker 2: all doing our part, I think we re shifting how
Speaker 2: media landscape.
Speaker 1: Really completely restruction of based off shows like yours and
Speaker 1: mine and the way that people consume, uh their information.
Speaker 1: Now for using an individual, I've seen you on ESPN.
Speaker 1: Now you've done a great job. Is that something you
Speaker 1: want to continue to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you know it's a different format, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm comfortable in my format, but just you know,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm like.
Speaker 1: You're just talking shit though you could just it just.
Speaker 2: Gets the balance around. And I know, like you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the big networks is scared, you know, but
Speaker 2: they don't understand that I'm controlled. I understand the landscape.
Speaker 1: So I've always told people Gil was your brother in law,
Speaker 1: That motherfucker's crazy. I'm just like everything Gill done is calculated,
Speaker 1: like there's not a He's always thought so many far,
Speaker 1: so many steps ahead of it, Like, yeah, it could
Speaker 1: come off crazy, but Gil has a whole plan. Once
Speaker 1: this ship blows up and the smoke settles, He's going
Speaker 1: to be just fine over here laughing. I've always said, like,
Speaker 1: I know, like I'm going to look.
Speaker 2: I know, Disney, I know all the words you can
Speaker 2: and can't say.
Speaker 1: So you know you told us the two words we
Speaker 1: couldn't say that before we even started. Today, the NBA
Speaker 1: is trying to do you can't talk about this and
Speaker 1: you can't do And I.
Speaker 2: Remember when I push the limits on Rachel Nichols with
Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson, So I was like, you know, I'm going
Speaker 2: over with Richard and I was like, I know they're
Speaker 2: going to ask me about our relationship, right, that's always typical.
Speaker 2: So what words can I call him? Can I call
Speaker 2: him dick? Right because it's Richard? And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's a good play. Can I call him a douche?
Speaker 2: So I'm looking up the words. I'm like, oh, call
Speaker 2: him a douche and a douchebag. And it doesn't flag. So,
Speaker 2: you know, so as soon as they get asked, right,
Speaker 2: I had to ask was it Steve Martin? And I
Speaker 2: said can I Can I call him a douche? And
Speaker 2: he was like, uh, let me look, and it was
Speaker 2: like sea.
Speaker 1: On the list.
Speaker 2: I was like yes, and they got to keep it
Speaker 2: in and he's gonna freak out and I got to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: So that is something you do want to continue to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'll dibble and dab, you know, here
Speaker 2: and there. But you know, just like anything, you know,
Speaker 2: there's always steps and rooms for you to grow and
Speaker 2: grow your business. And you know some times you do
Speaker 2: have to put on a suit in the tie to
Speaker 2: get inside a certain doors, right, you know, if if
Speaker 2: you really think you can make it into a certain
Speaker 2: level without we're fools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it the other route, Like I started
Speaker 1: with that side and learned the world you want to
Speaker 1: call it the corporate side, and then like transition into
Speaker 1: being to take the tie off and loosen it up
Speaker 1: a little bit. But at some point, if you're going
Speaker 1: to be successful as an athlete post you're going to
Speaker 1: have to put the tie on at some point and
Speaker 1: learn what that space is about it not necessarily all
Speaker 1: the time, but learn, like you said, the steps what
Speaker 1: takes to be in that room and be able to
Speaker 1: hold the audience in that room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you can make it. You can. You can
Speaker 2: sign big, big deals without the big networks. But that
Speaker 2: means you are looking at you know, that means you
Speaker 2: are dealing directly with the sponsor. The sponsor is like
Speaker 2: happy with the performance. And you know, now when you're
Speaker 2: talking about betting and those type of fantasy. You know companies, right,
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with your numbers. They don't
Speaker 2: care about your YouTube numbers. They care about can you
Speaker 2: sell their product? You know, that's that's really that that
Speaker 2: what it comes down to. So you know, when you're
Speaker 2: talking about getting to the next level, you need a
Speaker 2: lot of people to help, not necessarily helping you, helping
Speaker 2: the lane open up for your personality. I remember when
Speaker 2: you know, a company was talking with Cam and Mace
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, sign him, because Cameron Mace's style
Speaker 2: is rugged. I need them to go break some walls down,
Speaker 2: right so I can just you know, just trail right
Speaker 2: behind them, right, And that's exactly what they did, right.
Speaker 2: So we need everybody's personality.
Speaker 1: Just you know, open it up.
Speaker 2: And we need you know, like we need the stephen
Speaker 2: A's to sign their one hundred and twenty million dollars deal.
Speaker 2: We need the Shannon Sharps so sign. We need Pat
Speaker 2: McAfee because you know, if none of us really talk
Speaker 2: to each other, we don't know what the money is
Speaker 2: being given out there right for us. You know, it's
Speaker 2: you know, you can see some of these companies it's
Speaker 2: more like they're trying to use the three sixty deals
Speaker 2: on podcasts.
Speaker 1: But that's something to me. And you always were really
Speaker 1: transparent about like how much you make and how much
Speaker 1: you make it and it's not even like to know,
Speaker 1: it's to know where we're going and when the market
Speaker 1: is sitting at. That's something from the jump when you
Speaker 1: were doing your ship, when I first started doing my show,
Speaker 1: you and I were always talking about what's being made. Yep,
Speaker 1: what's going on to kind of know the number transitioning
Speaker 1: before we get to the Netflix shooting guards Elijah. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to hear Neph is doing better. I know there's
Speaker 1: some stuff you can't talk about, but what's going on
Speaker 1: with Elijah right now?
Speaker 2: He's man, he's doing he's doing good. You know like
Speaker 2: that that that first, you know, the first couple of hours,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, damn, wait, what what's going on?
Speaker 2: Because you know, I'm up right, I'm up at four
Speaker 2: thirty working out, and you know, every time I wake up,
Speaker 2: I look on my app to see where he's at
Speaker 2: because you know, you know, you know cyber truck, so
Speaker 2: I can see exactly where he's at. Usually what happens
Speaker 2: is he's usually at the gym, come home, sleeps for
Speaker 2: about an hour. Then I got to wake him up
Speaker 2: and then take you know, align to his brother to school. Right,
Speaker 2: So that's been the routine. So you know, I'm looking
Speaker 2: he's at the gym. Okay, cool, so working out. Then
Speaker 2: you know Hermione called his sister's like did you hear?
Speaker 2: Like now you know your son got an accident at
Speaker 2: the gym. I no, he was driving, you know, driving home,
Speaker 2: gut in a car accident. And I'm like, uh no,
Speaker 2: his car is at the gym. And she's like, boy,
Speaker 2: he's at the hospital. We're heading here now. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, okay. So I because she never she's never
Speaker 2: up that early any goddamn way. So the fact that
Speaker 2: she's hitting me, I'm like, okay, maybe, So I just
Speaker 2: put my clothes on. I said, give me an address,
Speaker 2: went straight went straight there, and sure enough, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the So I go back to the car, like
Speaker 2: so you know, once you know, talk to the doctor
Speaker 2: and then like this is what happens. So you know, me,
Speaker 2: I'm checking anything broke, you know. The first thing is
Speaker 2: anything broken, right, you know? Head there was like you know,
Speaker 2: so far doesn't look like you know, anything is physically
Speaker 2: you know, from outside structurally wrong. We don't think he
Speaker 2: hit his head, you know, a couple of scratches on him, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, okay, maybe got pulled out rolling on
Speaker 2: the ground, and it was like yeah, you know, smoke,
Speaker 2: you know, in his lung. So I'm like, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: you know it could have been worse, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2: So from there it's like, all right, what's going on?
Speaker 2: There's nothing I can do now because now I need
Speaker 2: to check the scene. Where's the scene? Who helped him
Speaker 2: and get a car? So now I'm doing all all
Speaker 2: of that. Went to go see his car's not there.
Speaker 2: So I went to the address, you know, and seeing this,
Speaker 2: knocked on the people's door, you know, put a note
Speaker 2: on there, you know, just trying to fill in all
Speaker 2: the pieces of what happened. Why I didn't get to
Speaker 2: learn it alerted. But you know, long story short, as
Speaker 2: you know, the car you know, mountfunction and on them
Speaker 2: controlled the steering wheel, went limped and you know, ran
Speaker 2: red into a tree. But you know, like once he
Speaker 2: got his personality back, which is once they took the
Speaker 2: drugs out of him, right, you know, our jokes came
Speaker 2: back and man boy, he almost went extra crispy on me. Man, right,
Speaker 2: he almost went extra crispy dog And.
Speaker 1: You said that, so those windows are bulletproof. He couldn't
Speaker 1: break the window. He couldn't break the window, and he
Speaker 1: was stuck in a car that was on fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to you know, I have his phone,
Speaker 2: I had his phone, got his phone, you know, so
Speaker 2: I seen that. You know, when people are like, oh
Speaker 2: he fell asleep. I'm looking at he's on the phone, right,
Speaker 2: he's on the phone in nine one one. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get that call. He was on the phone with
Speaker 2: them for ten minutes, so I know he was at
Speaker 2: least in the car for ten minutes, right, And you
Speaker 2: know it's you know, once he started you know, talking
Speaker 2: and you know doing all that, you know, just realize
Speaker 2: he couldn't break the window, start doing all the back
Speaker 2: search on the car, and you know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a parent and your teen has
Speaker 2: this car, you might want to put a hammer in
Speaker 2: that joint, something that can break the window because physically,
Speaker 2: you know, he said he was trying to kick the
Speaker 2: door to the window and he couldn't. And you know,
Speaker 2: I said, you know you I told him, I said, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be honest with you, because you know,
Speaker 2: when he got home, you know, we had flowers, had
Speaker 2: flowers for him, and I gave him that speech. I said, listen,
Speaker 2: you're a lucky one to see this. Most people don't
Speaker 2: get to see the flowers. And how everybody reacts when
Speaker 2: you know, something happens, so you get to witness what
Speaker 2: the world did when you was you know, sleep, when
Speaker 2: you was an induced coma. So you know, this is
Speaker 2: what's supposed to make you great, that you you watched
Speaker 2: life that could have just ended. You can't take this
Speaker 2: ship for granted. Everything I've been I'd be telling him
Speaker 2: like I told him, I said, Man, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it's what little thing. Man, it's ten o'clock
Speaker 2: at night. Man, you're driving your girlfriend home. Why you
Speaker 2: are the money? Put her an uber? You leaving here
Speaker 2: at ten eleven o'clock driving her home. She's safe and
Speaker 2: you got to drive you you are at the bank.
Speaker 2: You should never leave your home at a certain time.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. There's nothing out there. The worst
Speaker 2: cops in the world, they log in at ten pm.
Speaker 2: They know that's when the shit happens. That's what they want.
Speaker 2: So the most aggressive minds are active at that time.
Speaker 2: They can't tell the difference between who you are when
Speaker 2: they pull you over. So don't even put yourselves in
Speaker 2: the situations, right, you know, So we have them talks,
Speaker 2: but you know sometimes you know, kids are all hard,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I said, hopefully one day
Speaker 2: the example that wakes you up doesn't hurt you physically
Speaker 2: emotion of where you can't succeed. Right. So one thing
Speaker 2: that he did wrote that kind of like made me
Speaker 2: tear up was when he got conscious and you know,
Speaker 2: he got the right and he was wrote, does my
Speaker 2: dad know right? They're like, damn, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 2: you know, and then when you know, they was like,
Speaker 2: he's up. He's looking for you because I was at home,
Speaker 2: and then you know, he was like, where's my dad?
Speaker 2: And then when I came in and he gave me that,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Look, you know, I'm like, just you good,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. You know, it's you. You You're
Speaker 2: lucky one. So you know, when he's seen you know,
Speaker 2: the flowers and stuff, and I'm like, man, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, people don't get to see what the world.
Speaker 2: The whole neighborhood, people that I ain't even knowing the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You know, they used to dropping flowers off into them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, like all these people. And then he
Speaker 2: wrote like, you know, I want to meet the people
Speaker 2: who saved me, you know, so it's it's it's one
Speaker 2: of them things that like, now you just got to
Speaker 2: really tap into your ability because the whole world is
Speaker 2: praying for it.
Speaker 1: Over now. I mean he's already a great kid, I mean.
Speaker 2: And I said, that's what said.
Speaker 1: That's a good kid on earth with humans. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: just a good you know. The funniest ship when the
Speaker 1: twins came home because they kept going to the hospital. Dad,
Speaker 1: You'll never guess what happened. That was Elijah, he's doing better.
Speaker 1: Auntie La La and Gil like sat by each other
Speaker 1: and they talked and they got.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, it's this, it's kind of hard,
Speaker 5: the whole the Ainger bro. I still can't beat Penny
Speaker 5: around this. But then there's one thing I do. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna give her credit. And you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: He asked me, you know, what was it like? And
Speaker 5: I said, you know, around his mom. Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: said the reason I I left the hospital because I
Speaker 5: knew you was in good hands.
Speaker 2: There. There's one thing I do know is if if
Speaker 2: one of the kids is fucked up, she is gonna
Speaker 2: become overly overly protected Mama bear. Yeah, so I know
Speaker 2: this this right here. She got, you're good. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have warm blankets. If if spit gets on
Speaker 2: a blanket, you're gonna have a new blanket. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have food that you don't even supposed to have. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have a TV air condition. She's gonna make your cable,
Speaker 2: she's gonna make she's gonna do ship that. She's gonna
Speaker 2: annoy the hell out of them people. Right, So I'm good,
Speaker 2: I can leave. You're good, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I said, And I said, you know what, she did
Speaker 2: her job. Man, you know you can be proud. You
Speaker 2: know that. You know, when we go through things in life,
Speaker 2: we don't really know who's gonna be there. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's one person that you can say
Speaker 2: was by your side the whole time.
Speaker 1: HM shut out Laura, and and and he'll be back
Speaker 1: on the court this week working out for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know he's starting to ramp it up,
Speaker 2: you know, because you know telling me, you know, when
Speaker 2: you you know, get a little smoking your lungs, you
Speaker 2: gotta still, you know, get.
Speaker 1: Just tell them to come and talk to Uncle Mataws
Speaker 1: get out of his lungs, you know.
Speaker 2: So you know, but you know it's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: the karma for him where you know, the karma worked
Speaker 2: in his favorite as time, you know.
Speaker 1: But not to cut you off, but it's just like
Speaker 1: you know when I heard, it's just like yeah.
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, you know, everything happened for
Speaker 2: a reason, and you you survive this because you are
Speaker 2: a good human. Absolutely, you know. You open doors for people.
Speaker 2: Like if he was in his room, he's shaking.
Speaker 1: Everybody's You don't shake everybody.
Speaker 2: He don't get fuck what you.
Speaker 1: Do, zero ego.
Speaker 2: Right, you're gonna shake your hand. And I said, man,
Speaker 2: the fact that you hit the fire hydiant first, that
Speaker 2: slowed the car down. It kept you from hitting that
Speaker 2: tree head on the water right once it caught on fire.
Speaker 2: The water is keeping the car cool from your ass
Speaker 2: burning up in there. And the fact that you had
Speaker 2: the window cracked just.
Speaker 6: This much to get some smoke out, get some smoke out,
Speaker 6: and it helped people pull the window because they couldn't
Speaker 6: break it. So all of those things that align bet
Speaker 6: your life and that was because of who you are.
Speaker 1: Well, we love you, bro, get better, looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you back on the court. Gil Untold presents shooting Guards.
Speaker 1: How did this documentary come about.
Speaker 2: It was always in my back pocket, right, but it
Speaker 2: was it was more I've been trying to tell the story,
Speaker 2: and you know, the NBA was kind of keeping it
Speaker 2: from going because they didn't know the angle that I
Speaker 2: was gonna be on, you know, because you know, there
Speaker 2: was things that I felt legally was unfair. Right. You know,
Speaker 2: gun charge in the NBA is three to five games,
Speaker 2: three seven games? You know, seven games was the most,
Speaker 2: and I was a gun being fired off. And even
Speaker 2: though I was in public setting, not the NBA setting,
Speaker 2: but NBA setting, loaded guns three games, right, So it's like,
Speaker 2: the most you can give me is three games. Right,
Speaker 2: If you say seven, I might fight you on that,
Speaker 2: but three is the most unloaded. Don't touch no fingerprints,
Speaker 2: wasn't near one. The one thing I did do was
Speaker 2: say they were mine. I owned up, said yah, those
Speaker 2: are mine. But there was no finger where you didn't
Speaker 2: have me. There was no one who can say they
Speaker 2: see me with guns, so I can easily say they
Speaker 2: weren't mine, and you you know, you can't do anything.
Speaker 2: So when I got suspended fifty games, I was I
Speaker 2: was really angry about that idea, right, because it was
Speaker 2: more of you know, bully style. You know, I need
Speaker 2: you out of the limelight because I don't think you're
Speaker 2: gonna stop, right, I think you're gonna keep messing with
Speaker 2: it and keep going back and forth with the media.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you fifty games and we'll see
Speaker 2: you next year. And it was like, this is what
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: Accept and this wasn't what was it was not to
Speaker 1: cut you off. This was in a January or Fred
Speaker 1: When when did this happen during the season?
Speaker 2: December? So December twenty in the season, so December twenty first,
Speaker 2: and then just got back from the West coast trip
Speaker 2: and it didn't come out to the first right, So
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't even we ain't even think I
Speaker 2: woke up to it, like, oh, who the hell is
Speaker 2: Peter Vesey, you know what I mean? And you know,
Speaker 2: once you once you paint the picture, how you paint it.
Speaker 2: You know, there's written that you can do to that point.
Speaker 1: And there's no social media, there's no way to explain
Speaker 1: your side. So it is what it is. What is
Speaker 1: your relationship with Javaris at this point?
Speaker 2: It's actually it's it's really good. I mean, it's it
Speaker 2: never was it was never bad. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: It was never really me versus him. You know that
Speaker 2: was a young boy, right.
Speaker 1: I mean he gave you so much credit when you
Speaker 1: first got there, taking the van and showing them love
Speaker 1: and work out with them, giving you your shoes and
Speaker 1: all kinds of different ship like.
Speaker 2: We used to like every road trip. You know, he
Speaker 2: had my real room number, right, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know I didn't have my name on the list.
Speaker 2: I didn't have my name on the list because you know,
Speaker 2: you know, teammates, you know, sidekicks want to come over.
Speaker 2: They want a million dollar man, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. They don't want you.
Speaker 1: Sees nose go to my flow, go to his flow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you know I used to keep mine
Speaker 2: off and then you know Javaris, I hit him up.
Speaker 2: He'll come in and then he he used to talk
Speaker 2: about just a life, right, He'll talk about like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you know, like you know, the hood,
Speaker 2: you know, friends like you know, I see you don't
Speaker 2: have friends, you know, how do you break away from them?
Speaker 2: Because you know, you know, so we used to really
Speaker 2: just talk about it, and I'm like, listen, you don't
Speaker 2: have to be a part of the hood. You're rich, right,
Speaker 2: you are the NBA player. They need you, you don't
Speaker 2: need them. You can high security guards, you can. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Right, you don't need you. You
Speaker 2: can't be both. You can't be both. That is a
Speaker 2: fine line, bro right, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 2: you're trying to be loyal to the streets. That's not
Speaker 2: a real thing, right because remember you're not in the
Speaker 2: same level anymore. Right, They're gonna look like you owe them.
Speaker 2: That means you owe them forever. You have to pay
Speaker 2: that that tax forever. They got to pay their rent forever. Right,
Speaker 2: you are you are basically a drug that they don't
Speaker 2: have to sell no more. Right, They just I don't
Speaker 2: need to sit on the corner. I just text you
Speaker 2: when i'm when i'm down, when I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: getting low. So we used to talk, you know, we
Speaker 2: used to talk about it, so you know all that time.
Speaker 2: So with him, it was how he was talking, and
Speaker 2: I just didn't think that you don't need to be
Speaker 2: talking to the teammates like that just because you're frustrated
Speaker 2: about losing some money. Right, So that's really what it
Speaker 2: was about. So you know, even after that and we're
Speaker 2: sitting in the chacuzzie together and that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you're getting angry over goddamn a thousand
Speaker 2: dollars dog and not ain't eve about a thousand dollars man,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So it's about the respect
Speaker 2: and you know, you're making me look bad in front
Speaker 2: of the teammates. And right there when he said that,
Speaker 2: why we was in the jacuzie just right after, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you're right now, you know that's all.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I shouldn't have did that in front of
Speaker 2: them because you're still trying to establish yourself amongst this group.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm right, and I I kind of fucked that
Speaker 2: off for you. So you know, once I realized that
Speaker 2: in a jacuzzi, it became man, I need to really
Speaker 2: protect so you know I have it. They didn't put
Speaker 2: it in the doc, but the text message that kind
Speaker 2: of started it. Like you say you didn't have nothing.
Speaker 2: It was all me. I had the gun because.
Speaker 1: You were trying to protect him from thee. You thought
Speaker 1: the fifty games for him was too much for you.
Speaker 2: To like, I didn't even think about police coming. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if the media find out. If the NBA comes, just
Speaker 2: just tell him I didn't it.
Speaker 1: You were telling him like, I'm gonna take all.
Speaker 2: I'll take all the blame, right, I'll take all the blame.
Speaker 2: Has nothing. You know, you didn't do anything. You didn't
Speaker 2: have anything. It was just all me. You didn't have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with police. I didn't. Like, this is
Speaker 2: inside our home, so you know there's there's nothing they
Speaker 2: can do. You know, this is just for if NBA talks, right.
Speaker 2: You know, they suld spend me. You know, they spend
Speaker 2: me for a couple of games. It's cool. You're on
Speaker 2: a rookie deal. So I'll take the fall for this
Speaker 2: one because you know I put you in that situation.
Speaker 2: So you know, something happened with his mother. You know,
Speaker 2: he needed money. I'm the one who gave him the
Speaker 2: money so mother can get the surgery. And then we
Speaker 2: kind of had like the riff we did have is
Speaker 2: like okay, once you got cool, you're cool. You know,
Speaker 2: misdemeanor hand them you know, you know you and your
Speaker 2: lawyer are still trying to pretend it's still real, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And that's where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing so we we probably didn't talk
Speaker 2: for probably about like a year and a half. And
Speaker 2: then and then from there, like when he when he uh,
Speaker 2: when I came back out here, we was working out together.
Speaker 2: We talked, and then from there we were all good.
Speaker 2: He ended up going to jail. And then from there
Speaker 2: I was I was just a supplier.
Speaker 1: You tell me, you was supplying the cell phones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had all the new iPhones. That's one thing.
Speaker 2: Boy the boy had. The boy had the new iPhones.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna like listen, he was in the whole
Speaker 2: a lot more because of me. Right, he was in
Speaker 2: the hole a lot like he in the hold again,
Speaker 2: what they caught the phone? Damn all right, I sent
Speaker 2: another one, right, so you know, you know, but you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the first couple of years, man, you know,
Speaker 2: he was still in the you know, in a dark space.
Speaker 2: Then it was more just talking basketball, and I think
Speaker 2: you know the game of basketball. What what he did
Speaker 2: love is kind of what made him, you know, see
Speaker 2: see life again. Man. They listen, Man, hey, this person's
Speaker 2: doing good. This man he's the real deal. And then
Speaker 2: from there I was like, hey, man, he what's in
Speaker 2: a hat fifty? That's a real fifty like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yeah, I was legit, like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? He was hitting bucket'll talk, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. So you know when he got out, the
Speaker 2: first thing he want to do is come on the
Speaker 2: show and talk basketball. You know. So you know, we
Speaker 2: got out and we never.
Speaker 1: Got a real beef twenty three when he got down
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Twenty two, twenty three, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's right when you guys kind of pretty much started, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was season one.
Speaker 1: Well, man, I'm glad you were able to work that out,
Speaker 1: you know. Sending out love and prayer to Javars. Go
Speaker 1: check out Shooting Guards on Netflix. Shout out our partners Netflix.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the show, and really, brother, just congratulations on everything.
Speaker 1: Glad Elijah's doing better man, and continue luck. Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: always rooting for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was the funny is I only did
Speaker 2: the only did the flick because it was with him.
Speaker 2: Remember he was in. He was in for a while,
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to do a story by myself,
Speaker 2: right right, because you know I would.
Speaker 1: Already when I was like, what he's because I didn't
Speaker 1: know he was out. I know, I had no idea, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was one of those things where
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I can't it's unfair if I
Speaker 2: told the story by myself, and so I said, I
Speaker 2: told Netflix. I'm only he's the lead, right how he
Speaker 2: tells it. If he if he's not happy with it,
Speaker 2: then we're gonna scratch it. Whoever you're gonna pay him
Speaker 2: the mosuor whatever, however you're gonna figure it out. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna follow his lead on him, right, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: don't don't. I know I got the bigger name, but
Speaker 2: I'm at a place where I don't really need this
Speaker 2: doc right, and he needs to tell his story, and
Speaker 2: then I'll tell it with him.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, bro.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And that's a raft for Unplugged. You can catch this
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Speaker 1: Productions YouTube. We'll see you guys next week.