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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. We got a very special guest

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Speaker 1: We both how do I stay respectful about this? Our

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that a little later, but get a

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Speaker 1: lot of shit has been going on the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days. The NBA lottery was last night. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's certain words we shouldn't stay if we want to say,

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Speaker 1: stay NBA friendly, but somehow, some motherfucking way. But I

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Speaker 1: want to back up a little before we talk about

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks getting the one the number one pick, because

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Speaker 1: one of our producers told me that the Bulls and

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Speaker 1: the Magic had the same records, so they had to

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Speaker 1: flip a coin to see explain a little bit better Nate.

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Speaker 3: So they had the eleven and twelve facades, So the

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Speaker 3: coin flip dictated who basically got the better and then

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Speaker 3: the Bulls ended up with twelve.

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Speaker 1: And they got the twelfth pick. The Bulls had the

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Speaker 3: It went differently in the hogs and the blottery balls

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Speaker 3: would have stayed the same.

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Speaker 2: It's the Bulls could have been the number one.

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Speaker 1: They probably would have stayed the same. They probably would

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Speaker 1: have stayed the same. What are your thoughts when you

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Speaker 1: hear this? I mean, obviously the world stopped when Luca

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Speaker 1: got traded for Anthony Davis, and Nico took a lot

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Speaker 1: of shit. We've all known Nico for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I always thought it was above Nico thought obviously that

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Speaker 1: was an owner's decision. But you know what, two months

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Speaker 1: later they were rewarded with Cooper flag sweep steaks. When

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Speaker 2: What's funny is when the trade happened, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I've you know, I'm a Laker fan, so I know

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Speaker 2: you know where the godfather of the NBA, We're the

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Speaker 2: damn logo, right, But where the logo of the NBA

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Speaker 2: Magic was When the NBA merged, Magic Johnson was the baby, right,

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Speaker 2: So I followed Magic to the Lakers on the championship,

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Speaker 2: you know, contending team, and then they get James Worthy

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Speaker 2: of the number one pick while they're champions. Right, So

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Speaker 2: I've followed the dynasty. It goes way back right this.

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Speaker 2: I think only Elgin Baylor is the only we can

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Speaker 2: consider superstar that didn't win a ring in the Laker uniform.

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Speaker 2: So the legacy is the legacy. So when this trade happened,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting here like, Okay, that makes sense,

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Speaker 2: and the rumors I'm here from Dallas is like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that don't make sense. Right. You You you're a new owner,

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Speaker 2: so you got to pay the ties, right, and the

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Speaker 2: ties is, hey, you give this up for the betterment

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Speaker 2: if you look at history, just every new owner somehow

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Speaker 2: They got d got something like when they came in,

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Speaker 2: it just didn't work out for him. But you know

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Speaker 1: So are we to say this is just the business

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know it's everything is a business. When you're

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Speaker 2: you want to make sure the right pieces are in

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Speaker 2: the right places, right you really think you know, Michael

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Speaker 1: How do you think Cooper flag fits in with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, was he six seven and

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Speaker 2: That's just if everybody else up the Kay at the.

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Speaker 2: He gets to actually just be a system player, you know,

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Speaker 2: So you know, his legacy, you know, from the jump,

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Speaker 1: Shout out Dallas overall for the fan base, you get

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Speaker 1: And you know, obviously they you know, hit a little

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Speaker 3: That was right on the same timeline that denied Lakers

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Speaker 1: And then the Bess well remember Genie was telling us

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Speaker 2: So because they wanted Dwhite, right, So you know Lakers

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Speaker 2: they had to move Chris Paul. They had to push

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Speaker 4: Question for Gil for speak to New Orleans, always talk

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Speaker 4: about expansion. Do you see there being too pure expansion

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Speaker 2: Listen, there's some ship markets and when you're talking about business,

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Speaker 2: be three teams in LA. There'd be three teams in

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Speaker 2: There'd be another fucking team in Dallas or somewhere around

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Speaker 2: in the Texas area. Right, I'm gonna milk the market.

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Speaker 2: Like when you think about shoe companies, there's there's four

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Speaker 2: So basically LA and New York are Tier ones for

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Speaker 2: The biggest question is Giannis is still in the mind

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Speaker 1: Year in Fox. How does three four years years old thirty.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking about by the time Winby comes into

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Speaker 2: you're talking about twenty twenty three, four five. I don't

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Speaker 1: Where do you see him being a good fit at

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Speaker 1: I mean there's teams throwing out there, and obviously teams

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Speaker 2: He don't have a trade clause, so if I'm bucks,

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Speaker 2: I really don't give a ship where he wants to go.

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Speaker 1: Right, I know he's been so you wouldn't, So you

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would honor myself. I would honor myself,

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Speaker 2: and I would be looking at two teams. I would Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would be looking at Houston Rockets, right, and I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about bringing back assets. I'm you know, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: Let me see if I can get that up off

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Speaker 2: gonna go for Jabari Smith. Give me both them, and

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Speaker 2: then you know you got two shooters on the bench.

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Speaker 2: I'll say, yeah, give me all of those and we

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna see if you're you know you're gonna

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Speaker 3: That's the extension eligible this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so him and Jalen Janan Williams too, you had

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Speaker 1: I read an article about Steph and Gianni's having some

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Speaker 1: All Star There's always been talks about him possibly going there.

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Speaker 1: Do you see I mean, obviously we know STEP's on

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Speaker 2: Or no? Yeah? I really believe that, you know, if

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Speaker 2: I'm if I'm higher up, and I'm thinking I need

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Speaker 2: I need more of these. I need more Euros and

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Speaker 2: over in New York, you know. I think he could

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Speaker 2: And I think just how business minded he is at

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Speaker 4: I'm not reading into this too much, but if you

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Speaker 4: there's that square and the plaster players, the two players

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Speaker 4: that were plastered and the Warriors where were steph they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean good. I mean if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: Outside of Cooper Flag, obviously we spoke to the depth

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Speaker 2: I like Ace Bailey. I think I think his ceiling

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Speaker 2: Brendan Ingram b I, which is all star to me.

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Speaker 2: I like Harper right, very solid kid? Was it Trey Johnson?

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Speaker 2: And then I like the bohemian kid vjh.

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Speaker 2: I like the big kid. He listed at six to

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Speaker 2: ten and a half, which is crazy. He's like a

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Speaker 2: it's like a queen from Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like his skill set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What's so funny is it's whoever gets him you

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Speaker 2: got to steal. And if you're not a smart general manager,

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Speaker 2: he will slip in a draft like Jokish did. When

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Speaker 2: you're in these drafts and you're playing one by yourself,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna see his skill set, right. The skills

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Speaker 2: So you're sitting there playing by himself, sitting here doing this.

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Speaker 2: You don't see his vision. You can't see none of that.

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Speaker 2: He looks too slow, you can't see how he plays

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Speaker 2: his body. Right. So if I'm san Antonio with the

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Speaker 2: might be the guy that I actually with because he

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Speaker 2: is a If you think about Spurs, Spurs are still

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Speaker 2: old school where they've dominated with two bigs. I have

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Speaker 2: who's I don't know what the fuck he is, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, two, three, four one whatever, Right, that's him.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that I can play inside out with

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Speaker 2: these two, I think the Spurs probably go after him. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: it's you already got guard play, right, and then most

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Speaker 1: Moving to the Knick Celtics first and foremost that hasn't beneficially.

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Speaker 1: Now for we want to send love out to Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 1: Those non contact injuries are always scary, and I just

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys have talked about this on

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Speaker 1: your show. Why is he scrutinized so much and not

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Speaker 1: respected for what he's accomplished thus far? Where he's had

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is scrutinized or maybe not scrutinized, maybe not

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Speaker 2: Yet? The media outside of the players media just old

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Speaker 2: school media. They don't respect early greatness. Right, It's like

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Speaker 2: it's better for you to be bad good than win

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Speaker 2: sustaining it until you win. Right. So, the fact that

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Speaker 2: he's been to the Eastern Conference, fights, been to the

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Speaker 2: they're counting these losses against him and saying, well, he's

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Speaker 2: not it. Well at twenty five, can you name another

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Speaker 1: Look at his accolades compared to shit we we talked

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Speaker 2: He's top five in history. There's only like I did

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Speaker 2: a it was someone who won a championship, got one championship.

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Speaker 2: I think it was like four or five All NBA

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Speaker 2: First Team with at least five All Stars. There's only

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Speaker 2: four or five of them him is like him, Jannis Kareem.

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Speaker 2: It was him, Janni's Kareem. I don't think it would

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Speaker 2: all start MVP. I don't think magic was in there,

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Speaker 2: but it was only like four or five. And I'm like, like,

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Speaker 2: you don't treat him like this though. You treat him

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Speaker 2: like he's done, washed up fail when most of this

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Speaker 2: To the fact that he's had this early success but

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Speaker 2: he failed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course he failed, but but.

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Speaker 2: You you're supposed to give these guys time to perform,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that you know you're you're you can't

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Speaker 2: into great situations. But for the most part, the number

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Speaker 2: So most of your number one picks and the guys

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Speaker 2: so the fact that he he won early, I think

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Speaker 1: Against him anyway, Bro, I hope he gets better. But Nicks,

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Speaker 1: best player thus far in the playoffs, thirty nine and

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Speaker 1: have you seen from him? In my question, I almost

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Speaker 1: I think I said win, but even make it to

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're if you're a scout, if you're

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Speaker 2: Brunson as real true analytics. You our NBA is designed

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Speaker 2: now because of Steph and Clay and that franchise. But

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Speaker 2: nobody else has a Stephan a Clay. You don't have

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Speaker 2: an offense with a Stephan the Clay, right, you don't

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Speaker 2: have those type of guys. But you're building this let's

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Speaker 2: play small ball. Everyone shoots a bunch of threes. They

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Speaker 2: not how it works. Sean Liviston didn't take fucking six

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Speaker 2: and you'd be having these ten for sixty, these fifteen

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Speaker 2: forty five. You're gonna lose because you don't shoot enough

433
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Speaker 2: twos to win a game like that. And you know,

434
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Speaker 2: I put it on Giannis. I said, y'all played Giannis

435
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Y'all are gonna You're gonna have one

436
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: great shooting game, one great half, two horribles. You can

437
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: fuck around lose a series to a team like that.

438
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: Then you go against Brunson, right, which let's be honest,

439
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: it should be four old. They they've down twenty. They've

440
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: never looked like they were in this series. And what

441
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: ends up happening is you're you're not disciplined not to

442
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: take the open three, and you're taking these hard side

443
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: step thirty five footers on big men. Right. If you're

444
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: shooting a side step three on bruntson, okay, but you're

445
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: shooting it on Cad and Mitchell like, these guys can

446
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: contest that. So you're gonna shoot yourself out the games.

447
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: And Brunton, Brunton and Micheale, they played a mid range attacking.

448
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: They don't settle and all they have to do, be

449
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: close enough to you. So when you go on that

450
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: zero to ten from the three and they're sitting there

451
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: shooting two's, they're gonna catch you. And that's what that's

452
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: what's happening right. Brunson's father was old NBA mid range

453
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: drive down, and that's what you're losing to. You're losing

454
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: to a guy who's not playing etelic basketball. He's playing

455
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: You can't guard men. I'm not gonna settle. I'm not.

456
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: I'm not bailing you out. Play defense. Him and Shade,

457
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: they're playing the same style. No, you play defense, dog,

458
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't need to shoot this.

459
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bail you out.

460
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Speaker 2: I've never seen the NBA where I've never seen great

461
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: players get a miss ma like with Tatum before he

462
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: went down. You're doing a pick and roll and you

463
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: have cat on you. You got bigfoot, Guarden you dog.

464
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: He has women legs with big Foot like he looks

465
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Speaker 2: like SpongeBob side side show. It was a side show.

466
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: He looks like I showed Bob. No, he got he

467
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: got Mary j. Blid, he got his girl's legs. Right,

468
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: you're telling me you don't just straight line this dude,

469
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: your side stepping on him shooting fifty for the man.

470
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: If you don't go down here, lord hire man, that

471
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: is crazy. He can't even turn that. They can't turn

472
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: that fast with then with his mama hips, man, that's crazy.

473
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Speaker 1: You said he's got his mama's hips.

474
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

475
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Speaker 1: In side show bob feet and you're shooting step back.

476
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: The side, step threees on that, like look even in

477
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: the post, like I just look at like he's a

478
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: great like that is a great player if you don't

479
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: know how he plays basketball, right, he's a finesse guy

480
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: that seems like he actually hasn't developed a skill since

481
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: he came into the league. But you know that comes

482
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Speaker 2: from we don't scout right into the playoffs and when

483
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: you watch him here is like you have Jason Tatum

484
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: Garden and you the whole gaming you didn't post up

485
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: that one time, and then when you post up, you

486
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: can't get around him. Right.

487
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing in Minnesota, say you know what

488
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean is like, you know he has been playing

489
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Speaker 1: well in these playoffs, he's.

490
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: Been playing decent, but you have a guy on you

491
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: that is the best player on that team, and he

492
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: don't want to get in foul trouble, right, So if

493
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: you really start attacking him, they're gonna want to They're

494
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: gonna have to double to keep him out of foul trouble, right,

495
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: which opens up the game for everybody else, make easier

496
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: shots for McHale and og in a corner. But the

497
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: fact that you are pick and pop every single.

498
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Speaker 1: Time, just like it's just so annoying crazy fourth quarter

499
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: points to the first ten games since nineteen ninety seven,

500
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson one hundred and two, Kobe had and three

501
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: had one hundred, Kobe and one had one hundred, Stephan

502
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: twenty three had ninety nine, and then Kobe and eight

503
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: had ninety nine. Brunson's on the tear right now. Obviously

504
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: he won Clutch Player of the Year, didn't he.

505
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's averaging ten a game in the playoffs,

506
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: four in the fourth and that's number one behind Mitchell and.

507
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Ann h So, I mean the Kobe one is more

508
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: technically is more impressive because you're talking about zone and shock, right,

509
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: the fact that.

510
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: You're because you played in our era in that so

511
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: we were having a debate. They were having a debate

512
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: earlier as far as Brunson and Allen Iverson, and my

513
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: whole thing was they were looking at the straight numbers.

514
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: But I'm like, you also have to realize the air

515
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: of basketball with the defensive word, and who could could

516
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: protect the rim at that time when Allen was playing,

517
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: when you were playing, when I were playing, and when

518
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Brunts was playing. You can't name five shot blockers in

519
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: the league now that the league had shot blockers in

520
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: those times. What are your thoughts when when people we

521
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: were just fucking around when we were comparing Allen Iverson

522
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: and Jaylen Brunson, and I.

523
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: Hope people don't take this. They're like Iverson all five

524
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: players were trying to guard him, right, you know, we

525
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: we knew the zipper, We knew what he was coming.

526
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: Iverson cut gonna go around and double, and we all

527
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: we don't care who he had. Like if you think

528
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: about a team, none of them can shoot outside of

529
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: ten fe I mean you had not you had McKee, Yeah,

530
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: you had you know him was I'm gonna take one

531
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: or two maybe a game. So for the most part,

532
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: there was no you wasn't spreading our team, no team

533
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: out and he was still getting where he wanted to

534
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: that's how good he was as a talent. Alan Iris

535
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: and more talented, more dangerous. But you know, Brunson has

536
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: a skill set that is that is only given to

537
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: certain type of you know men. Jordan had it, Cob

538
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: had it. I think Brunton mentally is the closest thing

539
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: to what Kobe was in the fourth quarter, Right, no

540
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: matter what happens, he can be zero for twenty in

541
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: the last five minutes, you already know everything went out

542
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: the window. It is different. He's gonna go four for five.

543
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna put the team on his back. And it's

544
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: hard to find that skill, right, and he's a guy

545
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: who has he he has it like he is like

546
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: what you know when Dame was them years Dame was

547
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: like fourth quarter banded and hitting them big shots. That's

548
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Brunting every It's like it's every game. It's like he

549
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: does not fail, Like I don't care what any of it.

550
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: He does not fit. He's never disappointed in the fourth quarter,

551
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: no big game, right, no matter what happens in the

552
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: first three man them last five minutes, that man shows up.

553
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: And he's one of I was talking about this the

554
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: other I mean him and Steph and STEP's hurt right now?

555
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Who has you jumping outside out your seat down stretch

556
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: time with the shots he's hitting, whether it be step back, three's,

557
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: mid range, sit down, playing off too like Brunson, has

558
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: completely taken over these playoffs and I love it. Moving

559
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: on to the Warriors and the Wolves. Obviously step down

560
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: with the hamming. They're up three to one, but I

561
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: really want to point out what obviously Anthony Edwards has

562
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: been doing twenty seven, eight and four and forty two

563
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: percent from the three. But Randall. I think a lot

564
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: of people wrote and gave Nix the nod in this

565
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: trade during the regular season, but I initially said a

566
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: long time ago, and I want someone to pull it up.

567
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Randall's a fucking dog, just like ant Is, and if

568
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: they ever got their chemistry, look out. Whether we feel

569
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: like they have their chemistry or not, he's playing a

570
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: lot better at Randall's at twenty four, eight and six

571
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: a game, his numbers arepped nearly five points in the

572
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: scoring mark, and he's been a driving force. Everything is

573
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Speaker 1: really out the window. You know, Boston's on their way out,

574
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland could possibly be on their way out. Okay, see

575
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: big game tonight in a two to two series. Minnesota

576
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: made the Western Finals last year and looks like they're

577
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: gonna make it again this year. What is your thought

578
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: on their team and just the way they play?

579
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. I'm gonna just be honest with you, man,

580
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: like it ain't pretty. It's not like you know, I'm

581
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Laker fans. So they beat us, so you know, I

582
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: can't really speak on you know, that series. But when

583
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: you look at a team that can match the youth,

584
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: they struggle basketball, right, you know, I really don't think

585
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: they do have their chemistry. I think yeah, you know,

586
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: it's you know, because of the playoffs in the style

587
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: of the game that they have to play, it fits

588
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: random better because now the game is slower. You got

589
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: to go to the half court. They're loading up on you.

590
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Now you got to come to me. And in regular

591
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: season they didn't have to. It's more up and down.

592
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: So he kind of got lost in the offense. Well,

593
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: he's his style is old school style is so let

594
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: me take advantage. That's playoff basketball. You need ISO players

595
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: a little bit more when you know, things break down

596
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: on a team aspect. So he's playing very well and

597
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: man is going to do what Man is going to do.

598
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: You know they're going to get through this series. But

599
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, once Steph went down, I don't know how

600
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: you not just beat on this team because they can't score.

601
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: You don't there's nobody on the team that is gonna

602
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: drop fifth. They don't even have the capability to drop fifty,

603
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: not one single person on that team. Right, you know,

604
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: you have Jimmy buckets, but Jimmy plays. He plays winning basketball,

605
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: and winning basketball is not selfish. Right, So last night

606
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: he took nine shots, and you're sitting there like, yo,

607
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't know how we win with you taking nine shots.

608
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: You're the best player, you're the best player on the floor.

609
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: You can claim that you're the most clutch player on

610
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: the floor because you know, Man hasn't really proved that

611
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: aspect yet. So you're the most dangerous guy within the

612
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: last five minutes and you're taking nine shots in the

613
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: game where we don't have Steph and and our second

614
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: best player is coming off the bench and they don't

615
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: really care about him.

616
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: They don't.

617
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: They're forced to playoff.

618
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Hey, he's been hooping though to with thirty two games ago,

619
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Speaker 1: but you have last night twenty five. Yeah, it's it's ugly.

620
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: It's not pretty ugly twenty two year old basket the draft.

621
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Speaker 3: I mean the trade value of him as well.

622
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, listen, it's I don't think they want

623
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: to get rid of him, but I don't think they

624
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: want to pay him what he's worth. You know, they

625
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: offered them one hundred thirty something and you know he

626
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: turned it down, So it's like, are you gonna turn

627
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: it down? I'm just gonna bench you, and you know

628
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna let you go get that money and hopefully

629
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, because if you get a hundred, we're just

630
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: gonna masch that shit, or you're gonna to be restricted.

631
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Speaker 3: They didn't extend if he denied the extension, so that

632
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: means I would open them.

633
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Speaker 2: Up your show.

634
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Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations, I remember you trying to build

635
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Speaker 1: that and what you've been able to turn that to

636
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and is amazing obviously a million subs already. What is

637
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: your goal with that show? Because I've also seen you

638
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Speaker 1: start to dip your water on linear, I've seen you

639
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Speaker 1: doing your thing on ESPN with your button up shirts

640
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: and everything. I know again with your basketball mind, I

641
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: know that's exciting to you for what, so what is

642
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: the goal for your show as a whole and then

643
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Speaker 1: you individually as far as exploring other options.

644
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Speaker 2: Congratulations you too. You know what's so funny is, you

645
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Speaker 2: know I started off on YouTube and then when I

646
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: went with Fubo, I went to linear, So I was

647
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: on linear before and then you know, I.

648
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Speaker 1: Remember we're doing those things during the playoffs. Yeah, smoke

649
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: on TV.

650
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you know, oh that's what that's where

651
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: this idea came from.

652
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: How was it?

653
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm when when I'm going back and looking

654
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: at the footbo stuff and I'm looking at the idea

655
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: and we all just they're just chilling, and I'm sitting

656
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: here like it might be the most bulletproof format if

657
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I get four of us, just like you know, Charles

658
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Barklin and how we're doing it and we're talking everyday sports.

659
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't need the guests, and I don't have to

660
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: run into guests canceling and all that when we already

661
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: don't booked them and it's just us. We are the guests.

662
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: And then if we do get a guest, that's just

663
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: a plus. But the structure of the show doesn't need

664
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: to guess, right, So you know, thinking about the idea,

665
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: and then showtime, you know, reached out and I'm like,

666
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: all right, what do you what are you offering? Right?

667
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: You already have a basketball show? What do you What

668
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: is the point happened two? That makes makes no sense

669
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: to me. So I was like, I'm treated like a

670
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: drug deal. Cut out the middle man. Just go straight

671
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: to the plug and just go straight to the manufacturer. So,

672
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, I went straight to Underdog, pitched them idea

673
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, listen, I have a YouTube channel

674
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: that has about one hundred eighteen thousand people instead of

675
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: Son from zero. What's up? Like, we can be the platform?

676
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: And they thought about it, and I was like, all right,

677
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: let's do it. Then I was like, okay, hey, I

678
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: have a basement. Right, I have a basement. We can

679
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: do it right here in the house. And my idea

680
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: was the same as a landlord, right in the week,

681
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: come and build your build your builcher one hundred you

682
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: know lighter they built. Yeah, you know you got two

683
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: crops out of here, a police, there's some people growing

684
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: in the building, right, go ahead, kick them on out.

685
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: And then I have the structure of it. So basically

686
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: the idea was you know, if you know, they come,

687
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: build the whole structure, put everything in there, and if

688
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: we have a fallen out, it's it's my ship and

689
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I just need the whole setup

690
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: to make it perfect and then I can run my

691
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: own thing. And then just over time, we just built this,

692
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: this this relationship where you know, it's basically open wallet,

693
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Speaker 2: check just keep doing you Wow.

694
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: So is the goal to that to keep it where

695
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: it is, stay digital or would you like to get

696
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: that on a linear platform as a whole, or what

697
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: is your thoughts on that?

698
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Realizing that we have more wiggle room than linear, you know,

699
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: linear is they have a certain time and if something happens,

700
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: they got to wait till tomorrow. We can just go

701
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: straight on our platform and push out the content. Well,

702
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: we can drown them out right. And I think they've

703
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: realized that because those big wigs come into YouTube that

704
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 2: you don't have production.

705
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: They trying to figure out how to be able to

706
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: footprint in a space and it can't.

707
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: Because one, it's one of you and you're not good

708
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: by yourself right as your production team and all that.

709
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: That doesn't work here. You have to be entertaining and you,

710
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: and really none of you guys have that kind of

711
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: skill and discipline and talent. Right, everything has been given

712
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: to you. So what happens is now is okay? With

713
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: with with ours? I'm like, well, you guys are going

714
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: to need shows since everything is moving towards programming. Netflix

715
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: has a live right, Patreon just got live right, you

716
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: have you know, NBC coming back, they have Peacock, and

717
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: you have all these things, and you guys have lives.

718
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: You guys need shows. So since I don't have a network, right,

719
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: you need licensing, right, And I don't care who whatever

720
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: group you put together, I'm out entertain them, right, because

721
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: one thing you guys don't know. You guys think names,

722
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: not personality. Personality is entertainment.

723
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: You're looking at names, and all these major networks attack names,

724
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: and some of them work, but a lot of the

725
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: names could have been great players. And this is all

726
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: due respect, like the personalities and the ability to come

727
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: across as entertainment is not there.

728
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they got fooled because they had two

729
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 2: golden nuggets that actually fed. You have Charles Barkley, who

730
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: was great and entertaining. You had Shaquille O'Neil and entertainment. Right,

731
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: So you have two guys, So when you're thinking about

732
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: names like, oh yeah, we just need the big names. No,

733
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: that it's the entertainer himselves. You have to go after personality.

734
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: The personalities that you are scared of is what actually

735
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: bring you your notes?

736
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: What what do you contribute the chemistry slash chaos of

737
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: your group two? I mean, you guys can argue one

738
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: day and hug the next second. But it's like you said,

739
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: it's real though, and Nick the other day and branding

740
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: bugging out like you guys have a cast of characters

741
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: that make it work.

742
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: You remember Kobe said, knowing the scout reporters cool. Knowing

743
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: your own team is the talent. You got to know

744
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: what your teammates can do and cancel. You got to

745
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: know them like the back of their hand. So I

746
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: study them so I know the trigger points right right,

747
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: I know you know what I mean? I know I

748
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: can look at the rundown and say, all right, I

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: know he's going to go against me on that. So

750
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: let me boom boom boom boom boom. Let me set

751
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: a trap for like, so I know how to really

752
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: manipulate it. And then from there you guys, be yourselves right,

753
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: just do what you do and I'll figure out the

754
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: entertainment part in it. Right. So like even with Kenyan

755
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: and Nick right, and I see them going that, and

756
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, cut the live, cut the live right to

757
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: make it seem like it's more intense. And then once

758
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: I cut the live, now the idea of what happen.

759
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: Now everybody wants to know what happened? Well, how did

760
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: this start? What happened?

761
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Like?

762
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Because if we keep the live going on and they

763
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 2: eventually calm down and work it out, it takes away

764
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: from hixcited right. So it's always trying to figure out

765
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: what the entertainment aspect of it is and always going

766
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: into the segment trying to figure out and when the

767
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: moment comes, capitalize on it. And you know, I told

768
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: steven A. I remember when steven A, him and Lebron

769
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: was going back and forth and he was like, yeah,

770
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: watched today, and I'm just thinking, don't do stephen A.

771
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: Steven A, don't do you right. And if I know

772
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do is you're gonna be serious and

773
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: you're going to go in deep. And that's the wrong

774
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: approach because he hit you with comedy. He made fun

775
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: of you with the boxing stuff, right, you can't go

776
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: serious that. It never played that never plays as well,

777
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: never plays well. You have to be short comedy. So

778
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there thinking like it's probably too late, and

779
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, listen, call Mayweather, right, call Mayweather,

780
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: have some boxing shorts on, right, have yeah, come in

781
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: here like straight boxing up with the what's the name?

782
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: And then you call him out, call him out retro

783
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: National TV, say you got your trainer Mayweather right now?

784
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: And I'm ready to go right and and be funny

785
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: with no. I was like I was getting ready to it.

786
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I mean, And I'm

787
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: sitting here. That's how I would have walked in to

788
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: the studio calling out Lebron James, knowing he can't do anything.

789
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: It's gonna say yeah, and you get to you you

790
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: keep it going because it's all about the radis in

791
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: entertainment and that's what you know. If I'm pitching myself

792
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: the first take, that's what I am, right, I'm I'm

793
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: that guy who can bring who brings in the YouTube

794
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: and the youth into that platform, and you know, it's

795
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: like you know licensing a part of Gills Arena, right,

796
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: so I know, you know around the horn is gone, right,

797
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: so you need programming at that five A at five

798
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: o'clock spots at five to five thirty. Hey, here we go,

799
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: we can go live. I have my studios already built

800
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: for live.

801
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: We're in La.

802
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have our network. I don't even have to gore. Yeah,

803
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: I get you know, we can. We're right here. So

804
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: I have the structure, you know, to fill that spot in.

805
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: But you know, Amazon's calling. I talked to NBC, you know,

806
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: going to you know, I think they was in what

807
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: somewhere in New York that East and I'm like, what

808
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: they what they have coming? It's going to be really good,

809
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be it's gonna be good for the

810
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: league itself. And you know, with I think, with us

811
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: all doing our part, I think we re shifting how

812
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: media landscape.

813
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Really completely restruction of based off shows like yours and

814
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: mine and the way that people consume, uh their information.

815
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Now for using an individual, I've seen you on ESPN.

816
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Now you've done a great job. Is that something you

817
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: want to continue to do?

818
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you know it's a different format, you know,

819
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm I'm comfortable in my format, but just you know,

820
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm like.

821
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: You're just talking shit though you could just it just.

822
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Gets the balance around. And I know, like you know,

823
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, the big networks is scared, you know, but

824
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: they don't understand that I'm controlled. I understand the landscape.

825
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: So I've always told people Gil was your brother in law,

826
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: That motherfucker's crazy. I'm just like everything Gill done is calculated,

827
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: like there's not a He's always thought so many far,

828
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: so many steps ahead of it, Like, yeah, it could

829
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: come off crazy, but Gil has a whole plan. Once

830
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: this ship blows up and the smoke settles, He's going

831
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: to be just fine over here laughing. I've always said, like,

832
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: I know, like I'm going to look.

833
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I know, Disney, I know all the words you can

834
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: and can't say.

835
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: So you know you told us the two words we

836
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: couldn't say that before we even started. Today, the NBA

837
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: is trying to do you can't talk about this and

838
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: you can't do And I.

839
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Remember when I push the limits on Rachel Nichols with

840
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson, So I was like, you know, I'm going

841
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: over with Richard and I was like, I know they're

842
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: going to ask me about our relationship, right, that's always typical.

843
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: So what words can I call him? Can I call

844
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: him dick? Right because it's Richard? And I was like, okay,

845
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: that's a good play. Can I call him a douche?

846
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: So I'm looking up the words. I'm like, oh, call

847
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: him a douche and a douchebag. And it doesn't flag. So,

848
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: you know, so as soon as they get asked, right,

849
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: I had to ask was it Steve Martin? And I

850
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: said can I Can I call him a douche? And

851
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: he was like, uh, let me look, and it was

852
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: like sea.

853
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: On the list.

854
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: I was like yes, and they got to keep it

855
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: in and he's gonna freak out and I got to

856
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: do it.

857
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: So that is something you do want to continue to do.

858
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'll dibble and dab, you know, here

859
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: and there. But you know, just like anything, you know,

860
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: there's always steps and rooms for you to grow and

861
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: grow your business. And you know some times you do

862
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: have to put on a suit in the tie to

863
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: get inside a certain doors, right, you know, if if

864
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: you really think you can make it into a certain

865
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: level without we're fools.

866
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it the other route, Like I started

867
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: with that side and learned the world you want to

868
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: call it the corporate side, and then like transition into

869
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: being to take the tie off and loosen it up

870
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. But at some point, if you're going

871
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: to be successful as an athlete post you're going to

872
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: have to put the tie on at some point and

873
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: learn what that space is about it not necessarily all

874
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: the time, but learn, like you said, the steps what

875
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: takes to be in that room and be able to

876
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: hold the audience in that room.

877
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you can make it. You can. You can

878
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: sign big, big deals without the big networks. But that

879
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: means you are looking at you know, that means you

880
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: are dealing directly with the sponsor. The sponsor is like

881
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: happy with the performance. And you know, now when you're

882
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: talking about betting and those type of fantasy. You know companies, right,

883
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with your numbers. They don't

884
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: care about your YouTube numbers. They care about can you

885
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: sell their product? You know, that's that's really that that

886
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: what it comes down to. So you know, when you're

887
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: talking about getting to the next level, you need a

888
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: lot of people to help, not necessarily helping you, helping

889
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: the lane open up for your personality. I remember when

890
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, a company was talking with Cam and Mace

891
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, sign him, because Cameron Mace's style

892
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: is rugged. I need them to go break some walls down,

893
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: right so I can just you know, just trail right

894
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: behind them, right, And that's exactly what they did, right.

895
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: So we need everybody's personality.

896
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Just you know, open it up.

897
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: And we need you know, like we need the stephen

898
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: A's to sign their one hundred and twenty million dollars deal.

899
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 2: We need the Shannon Sharps so sign. We need Pat

900
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: McAfee because you know, if none of us really talk

901
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: to each other, we don't know what the money is

902
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: being given out there right for us. You know, it's

903
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: you know, you can see some of these companies it's

904
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: more like they're trying to use the three sixty deals

905
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: on podcasts.

906
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: But that's something to me. And you always were really

907
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: transparent about like how much you make and how much

908
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: you make it and it's not even like to know,

909
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: it's to know where we're going and when the market

910
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: is sitting at. That's something from the jump when you

911
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: were doing your ship, when I first started doing my show,

912
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: you and I were always talking about what's being made. Yep,

913
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: what's going on to kind of know the number transitioning

914
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: before we get to the Netflix shooting guards Elijah. I'm

915
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: happy to hear Neph is doing better. I know there's

916
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: some stuff you can't talk about, but what's going on

917
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: with Elijah right now?

918
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: He's man, he's doing he's doing good. You know like

919
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: that that that first, you know, the first couple of hours,

920
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, damn, wait, what what's going on?

921
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: Because you know, I'm up right, I'm up at four

922
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: thirty working out, and you know, every time I wake up,

923
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: I look on my app to see where he's at

924
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: because you know, you know, you know cyber truck, so

925
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: I can see exactly where he's at. Usually what happens

926
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: is he's usually at the gym, come home, sleeps for

927
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: about an hour. Then I got to wake him up

928
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: and then take you know, align to his brother to school. Right,

929
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: So that's been the routine. So you know, I'm looking

930
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: he's at the gym. Okay, cool, so working out. Then

931
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: you know Hermione called his sister's like did you hear?

932
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Like now you know your son got an accident at

933
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: the gym. I no, he was driving, you know, driving home,

934
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: gut in a car accident. And I'm like, uh no,

935
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: his car is at the gym. And she's like, boy,

936
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: he's at the hospital. We're heading here now. So I'm like,

937
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: oh shit, okay. So I because she never she's never

938
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: up that early any goddamn way. So the fact that

939
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: she's hitting me, I'm like, okay, maybe, So I just

940
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: put my clothes on. I said, give me an address,

941
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: went straight went straight there, and sure enough, I'm like,

942
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: what the So I go back to the car, like

943
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: so you know, once you know, talk to the doctor

944
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: and then like this is what happens. So you know, me,

945
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm checking anything broke, you know. The first thing is

946
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: anything broken, right, you know? Head there was like you know,

947
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: so far doesn't look like you know, anything is physically

948
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, from outside structurally wrong. We don't think he

949
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: hit his head, you know, a couple of scratches on him, right,

950
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, okay, maybe got pulled out rolling on

951
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: the ground, and it was like yeah, you know, smoke,

952
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, in his lung. So I'm like, okay, all right,

953
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: you know it could have been worse, absolutely, you know.

954
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: So from there it's like, all right, what's going on?

955
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: There's nothing I can do now because now I need

956
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: to check the scene. Where's the scene? Who helped him

957
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: and get a car? So now I'm doing all all

958
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 2: of that. Went to go see his car's not there.

959
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: So I went to the address, you know, and seeing this,

960
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: knocked on the people's door, you know, put a note

961
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: on there, you know, just trying to fill in all

962
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: the pieces of what happened. Why I didn't get to

963
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: learn it alerted. But you know, long story short, as

964
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, the car you know, mountfunction and on them

965
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: controlled the steering wheel, went limped and you know, ran

966
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: red into a tree. But you know, like once he

967
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: got his personality back, which is once they took the

968
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: drugs out of him, right, you know, our jokes came

969
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: back and man boy, he almost went extra crispy on me. Man, right,

970
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: he almost went extra crispy dog And.

971
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: You said that, so those windows are bulletproof. He couldn't

972
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: break the window. He couldn't break the window, and he

973
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: was stuck in a car that was on fire.

974
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to you know, I have his phone,

975
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: I had his phone, got his phone, you know, so

976
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: I seen that. You know, when people are like, oh

977
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: he fell asleep. I'm looking at he's on the phone, right,

978
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: he's on the phone in nine one one. I'm trying

979
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: to get that call. He was on the phone with

980
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: them for ten minutes, so I know he was at

981
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: least in the car for ten minutes, right, And you

982
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: know it's you know, once he started you know, talking

983
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: and you know doing all that, you know, just realize

984
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: he couldn't break the window, start doing all the back

985
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: search on the car, and you know, it's you know,

986
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a parent and your teen has

987
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: this car, you might want to put a hammer in

988
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: that joint, something that can break the window because physically,

989
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: you know, he said he was trying to kick the

990
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: door to the window and he couldn't. And you know,

991
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: I said, you know you I told him, I said, man,

992
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just be honest with you, because you know,

993
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: when he got home, you know, we had flowers, had

994
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: flowers for him, and I gave him that speech. I said, listen,

995
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: you're a lucky one to see this. Most people don't

996
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: get to see the flowers. And how everybody reacts when

997
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, something happens, so you get to witness what

998
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: the world did when you was you know, sleep, when

999
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: you was an induced coma. So you know, this is

1000
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: what's supposed to make you great, that you you watched

1001
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: life that could have just ended. You can't take this

1002
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: ship for granted. Everything I've been I'd be telling him

1003
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: like I told him, I said, Man, you know what

1004
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's what little thing. Man, it's ten o'clock

1005
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: at night. Man, you're driving your girlfriend home. Why you

1006
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: are the money? Put her an uber? You leaving here

1007
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: at ten eleven o'clock driving her home. She's safe and

1008
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: you got to drive you you are at the bank.

1009
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: You should never leave your home at a certain time.

1010
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. There's nothing out there. The worst

1011
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: cops in the world, they log in at ten pm.

1012
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: They know that's when the shit happens. That's what they want.

1013
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: So the most aggressive minds are active at that time.

1014
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: They can't tell the difference between who you are when

1015
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: they pull you over. So don't even put yourselves in

1016
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: the situations, right, you know, So we have them talks,

1017
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: but you know sometimes you know, kids are all hard,

1018
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I said, hopefully one day

1019
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: the example that wakes you up doesn't hurt you physically

1020
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: emotion of where you can't succeed. Right. So one thing

1021
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: that he did wrote that kind of like made me

1022
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: tear up was when he got conscious and you know,

1023
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: he got the right and he was wrote, does my

1024
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: dad know right? They're like, damn, you know what I mean? So,

1025
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: you know, and then when you know, they was like,

1026
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: he's up. He's looking for you because I was at home,

1027
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: and then you know, he was like, where's my dad?

1028
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: And then when I came in and he gave me that,

1029
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Look, you know, I'm like, just you good,

1030
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. You know, it's you. You You're

1031
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: lucky one. So you know, when he's seen you know,

1032
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: the flowers and stuff, and I'm like, man, you know,

1033
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: you know, people don't get to see what the world.

1034
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: The whole neighborhood, people that I ain't even knowing the neighborhood.

1035
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: You know, they used to dropping flowers off into them.

1036
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, like all these people. And then he

1037
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: wrote like, you know, I want to meet the people

1038
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: who saved me, you know, so it's it's it's one

1039
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: of them things that like, now you just got to

1040
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: really tap into your ability because the whole world is

1041
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: praying for it.

1042
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Over now. I mean he's already a great kid, I mean.

1043
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: And I said, that's what said.

1044
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: That's a good kid on earth with humans. Just yeah,

1045
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: just a good you know. The funniest ship when the

1046
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: twins came home because they kept going to the hospital. Dad,

1047
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: You'll never guess what happened. That was Elijah, he's doing better.

1048
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Auntie La La and Gil like sat by each other

1049
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and they talked and they got.

1050
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, it's this, it's kind of hard,

1051
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 5: the whole the Ainger bro. I still can't beat Penny

1052
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 5: around this. But then there's one thing I do. I'm

1053
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 5: gonna give her credit. And you know, it's so funny.

1054
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 5: He asked me, you know, what was it like? And

1055
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 5: I said, you know, around his mom. Yeah, And I

1056
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: said the reason I I left the hospital because I

1057
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: knew you was in good hands.

1058
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: There. There's one thing I do know is if if

1059
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: one of the kids is fucked up, she is gonna

1060
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: become overly overly protected Mama bear. Yeah, so I know

1061
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: this this right here. She got, you're good. I mean,

1062
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna have warm blankets. If if spit gets on

1063
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: a blanket, you're gonna have a new blanket. You're gonna

1064
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: have food that you don't even supposed to have. You're

1065
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: gonna have a TV air condition. She's gonna make your cable,

1066
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: she's gonna make she's gonna do ship that. She's gonna

1067
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: annoy the hell out of them people. Right, So I'm good,

1068
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: I can leave. You're good, you know what I mean?

1069
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: I said, And I said, you know what, she did

1070
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: her job. Man, you know you can be proud. You

1071
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: know that. You know, when we go through things in life,

1072
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: we don't really know who's gonna be there. And I said,

1073
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's one person that you can say

1074
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: was by your side the whole time.

1075
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: HM shut out Laura, and and and he'll be back

1076
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: on the court this week working out for the first time.

1077
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know he's starting to ramp it up,

1078
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: you know, because you know telling me, you know, when

1079
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: you you know, get a little smoking your lungs, you

1080
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: gotta still, you know, get.

1081
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: Just tell them to come and talk to Uncle Mataws

1082
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: get out of his lungs, you know.

1083
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: So you know, but you know it's it's it's it's

1084
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: the karma for him where you know, the karma worked

1085
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: in his favorite as time, you know.

1086
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: But not to cut you off, but it's just like

1087
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: you know when I heard, it's just like yeah.

1088
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, you know, everything happened for

1089
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: a reason, and you you survive this because you are

1090
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: a good human. Absolutely, you know. You open doors for people.

1091
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: Like if he was in his room, he's shaking.

1092
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's You don't shake everybody.

1093
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: He don't get fuck what you.

1094
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: Do, zero ego.

1095
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 2: Right, you're gonna shake your hand. And I said, man,

1096
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: the fact that you hit the fire hydiant first, that

1097
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: slowed the car down. It kept you from hitting that

1098
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 2: tree head on the water right once it caught on fire.

1099
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: The water is keeping the car cool from your ass

1100
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: burning up in there. And the fact that you had

1101
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: the window cracked just.

1102
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 6: This much to get some smoke out, get some smoke out,

1103
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 6: and it helped people pull the window because they couldn't

1104
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 6: break it. So all of those things that align bet

1105
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 6: your life and that was because of who you are.

1106
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: Well, we love you, bro, get better, looking forward to

1107
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: seeing you back on the court. Gil Untold presents shooting Guards.

1108
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: How did this documentary come about.

1109
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: It was always in my back pocket, right, but it

1110
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: was it was more I've been trying to tell the story,

1111
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: and you know, the NBA was kind of keeping it

1112
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: from going because they didn't know the angle that I

1113
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: was gonna be on, you know, because you know, there

1114
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: was things that I felt legally was unfair. Right. You know,

1115
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: gun charge in the NBA is three to five games,

1116
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: three seven games? You know, seven games was the most,

1117
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: and I was a gun being fired off. And even

1118
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: though I was in public setting, not the NBA setting,

1119
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: but NBA setting, loaded guns three games, right, So it's like,

1120
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: the most you can give me is three games. Right,

1121
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: If you say seven, I might fight you on that,

1122
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: but three is the most unloaded. Don't touch no fingerprints,

1123
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: wasn't near one. The one thing I did do was

1124
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: say they were mine. I owned up, said yah, those

1125
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: are mine. But there was no finger where you didn't

1126
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: have me. There was no one who can say they

1127
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: see me with guns, so I can easily say they

1128
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: weren't mine, and you you know, you can't do anything.

1129
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: So when I got suspended fifty games, I was I

1130
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: was really angry about that idea, right, because it was

1131
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: more of you know, bully style. You know, I need

1132
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: you out of the limelight because I don't think you're

1133
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: gonna stop, right, I think you're gonna keep messing with

1134
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: it and keep going back and forth with the media.

1135
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you fifty games and we'll see

1136
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: you next year. And it was like, this is what

1137
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: I got.

1138
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: Accept and this wasn't what was it was not to

1139
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: cut you off. This was in a January or Fred

1140
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: When when did this happen during the season?

1141
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: December? So December twenty in the season, so December twenty first,

1142
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 2: and then just got back from the West coast trip

1143
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: and it didn't come out to the first right, So

1144
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't even we ain't even think I

1145
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: woke up to it, like, oh, who the hell is

1146
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: Peter Vesey, you know what I mean? And you know,

1147
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: once you once you paint the picture, how you paint it.

1148
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: You know, there's written that you can do to that point.

1149
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: And there's no social media, there's no way to explain

1150
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: your side. So it is what it is. What is

1151
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: your relationship with Javaris at this point?

1152
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: It's actually it's it's really good. I mean, it's it

1153
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: never was it was never bad. You know, it wasn't

1154
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: It was never really me versus him. You know that

1155
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: was a young boy, right.

1156
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean he gave you so much credit when you

1157
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: first got there, taking the van and showing them love

1158
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: and work out with them, giving you your shoes and

1159
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of different ship like.

1160
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: We used to like every road trip. You know, he

1161
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: had my real room number, right, you know, you.

1162
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: Know I didn't have my name on the list.

1163
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: I didn't have my name on the list because you know,

1164
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: you know, teammates, you know, sidekicks want to come over.

1165
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: They want a million dollar man, right, you know what

1166
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: I mean. They don't want you.

1167
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: Sees nose go to my flow, go to his flow.

1168
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you know I used to keep mine

1169
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: off and then you know Javaris, I hit him up.

1170
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: He'll come in and then he he used to talk

1171
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: about just a life, right, He'll talk about like you

1172
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you know, like you know, the hood,

1173
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, friends like you know, I see you don't

1174
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: have friends, you know, how do you break away from them?

1175
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: Because you know, you know, so we used to really

1176
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: just talk about it, and I'm like, listen, you don't

1177
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: have to be a part of the hood. You're rich, right,

1178
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: you are the NBA player. They need you, you don't

1179
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: need them. You can high security guards, you can. You

1180
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Right, you don't need you. You

1181
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: can't be both. You can't be both. That is a

1182
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: fine line, bro right, you know what I mean. You

1183
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: you're trying to be loyal to the streets. That's not

1184
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: a real thing, right because remember you're not in the

1185
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: same level anymore. Right, They're gonna look like you owe them.

1186
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: That means you owe them forever. You have to pay

1187
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: that that tax forever. They got to pay their rent forever. Right,

1188
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: you are you are basically a drug that they don't

1189
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: have to sell no more. Right, They just I don't

1190
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: need to sit on the corner. I just text you

1191
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: when i'm when i'm down, when I'm a little bit

1192
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: getting low. So we used to talk, you know, we

1193
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 2: used to talk about it, so you know all that time.

1194
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: So with him, it was how he was talking, and

1195
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: I just didn't think that you don't need to be

1196
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: talking to the teammates like that just because you're frustrated

1197
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: about losing some money. Right, So that's really what it

1198
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: was about. So you know, even after that and we're

1199
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 2: sitting in the chacuzzie together and that's what we're talking about.

1200
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you're getting angry over goddamn a thousand

1201
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: dollars dog and not ain't eve about a thousand dollars man,

1202
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So it's about the respect

1203
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: and you know, you're making me look bad in front

1204
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: of the teammates. And right there when he said that,

1205
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: why we was in the jacuzie just right after, and

1206
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: I was like, you're right now, you know that's all.

1207
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I shouldn't have did that in front of

1208
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: them because you're still trying to establish yourself amongst this group.

1209
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm right, and I I kind of fucked that

1210
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: off for you. So you know, once I realized that

1211
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: in a jacuzzi, it became man, I need to really

1212
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: protect so you know I have it. They didn't put

1213
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: it in the doc, but the text message that kind

1214
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: of started it. Like you say you didn't have nothing.

1215
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: It was all me. I had the gun because.

1216
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: You were trying to protect him from thee. You thought

1217
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: the fifty games for him was too much for you.

1218
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: To like, I didn't even think about police coming. I'm like,

1219
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: if the media find out. If the NBA comes, just

1220
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: just tell him I didn't it.

1221
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: You were telling him like, I'm gonna take all.

1222
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: I'll take all the blame, right, I'll take all the blame.

1223
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: Has nothing. You know, you didn't do anything. You didn't

1224
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: have anything. It was just all me. You didn't have

1225
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: nothing to do with police. I didn't. Like, this is

1226
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: inside our home, so you know there's there's nothing they

1227
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: can do. You know, this is just for if NBA talks, right.

1228
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: You know, they suld spend me. You know, they spend

1229
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: me for a couple of games. It's cool. You're on

1230
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: a rookie deal. So I'll take the fall for this

1231
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: one because you know I put you in that situation.

1232
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: So you know, something happened with his mother. You know,

1233
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: he needed money. I'm the one who gave him the

1234
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: money so mother can get the surgery. And then we

1235
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: kind of had like the riff we did have is

1236
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: like okay, once you got cool, you're cool. You know,

1237
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: misdemeanor hand them you know, you know you and your

1238
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: lawyer are still trying to pretend it's still real, you

1239
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And that's where I was like, oh,

1240
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing so we we probably didn't talk

1241
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: for probably about like a year and a half. And

1242
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: then and then from there, like when he when he uh,

1243
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: when I came back out here, we was working out together.

1244
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: We talked, and then from there we were all good.

1245
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: He ended up going to jail. And then from there

1246
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: I was I was just a supplier.

1247
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: You tell me, you was supplying the cell phones.

1248
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had all the new iPhones. That's one thing.

1249
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: Boy the boy had. The boy had the new iPhones.

1250
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna like listen, he was in the whole

1251
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: a lot more because of me. Right, he was in

1252
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: the hole a lot like he in the hold again,

1253
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: what they caught the phone? Damn all right, I sent

1254
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: another one, right, so you know, you know, but you know,

1255
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: you know, the first couple of years, man, you know,

1256
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: he was still in the you know, in a dark space.

1257
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: Then it was more just talking basketball, and I think

1258
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 2: you know the game of basketball. What what he did

1259
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: love is kind of what made him, you know, see

1260
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: see life again. Man. They listen, Man, hey, this person's

1261
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: doing good. This man he's the real deal. And then

1262
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: from there I was like, hey, man, he what's in

1263
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: a hat fifty? That's a real fifty like you know

1264
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yeah, I was legit, like you

1265
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean? He was hitting bucket'll talk, yeah,

1266
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: you know. So you know when he got out, the

1267
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: first thing he want to do is come on the

1268
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: show and talk basketball. You know. So you know, we

1269
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: got out and we never.

1270
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: Got a real beef twenty three when he got down

1271
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two.

1272
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: Twenty two, twenty three, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's right when you guys kind of pretty much started, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was season one.

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Speaker 1: Well, man, I'm glad you were able to work that out,

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Speaker 1: you know. Sending out love and prayer to Javars. Go

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Speaker 1: check out Shooting Guards on Netflix. Shout out our partners Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on the show, and really, brother, just congratulations on everything.

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Speaker 1: Glad Elijah's doing better man, and continue luck. Bro, I'm

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Speaker 1: always rooting for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was the funny is I only did

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Speaker 2: the only did the flick because it was with him.

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Speaker 2: Remember he was in. He was in for a while,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't want to do a story by myself,

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Speaker 2: right right, because you know I would.

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Speaker 1: Already when I was like, what he's because I didn't

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Speaker 1: know he was out. I know, I had no idea, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was one of those things where

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, I can't it's unfair if I

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Speaker 2: told the story by myself, and so I said, I

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Speaker 2: told Netflix. I'm only he's the lead, right how he

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Speaker 2: tells it. If he if he's not happy with it,

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Speaker 2: then we're gonna scratch it. Whoever you're gonna pay him

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Speaker 2: the mosuor whatever, however you're gonna figure it out. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna follow his lead on him, right, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: don't don't. I know I got the bigger name, but

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Speaker 2: I'm at a place where I don't really need this

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Speaker 2: doc right, and he needs to tell his story, and

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Speaker 2: then I'll tell it with him.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on, bro.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: And that's a raft for Unplugged. You can catch this

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Kings Network and the All the Smoke

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Speaker 1: Productions YouTube. We'll see you guys next week.