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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steeler Nation.

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Speaker 3: It's the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. Qust Rueler

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Speaker 3: and Matt Williamson with you here on a Tuesday where

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Speaker 3: we have got plenty of moving and shaking to get to. Matt,

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Speaker 3: a lot of news in the last twenty two hours,

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Speaker 3: particularly coaching front news. Since you and I have been

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Speaker 3: off air. We did discuss yesterday Jason Simmons, Scott McCurley

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Speaker 3: and Steve Scarnekia in the different roles that they had

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Speaker 3: been added, and then kind of right at the end

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Speaker 3: of our show yesterday, additional breaking news additional officially official

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Speaker 3: reports from the Steelers about some hires that have been

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Speaker 3: finalized to Mike McCarthy's first staff here in his first

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Speaker 3: year as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. The

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Speaker 3: Steelers have named James Campen as offensive line coach, Okay

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Speaker 3: Jarry Evans, potential future Hall of Fame right here in

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Speaker 3: a few days Evans assistant offensive line coach, Ramon Chinyung's

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Speaker 3: senior as running backs coach, Adam Henry wide receivers coach,

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Speaker 3: and one that we kind of knew had been reported

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Speaker 3: but is now officially official, Tom Arth being retained as

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 4: Okay, see, I'll be honest, I've lost track of what's

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Speaker 4: official and what isn't.

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Speaker 5: Sane, They've been rumored.

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Speaker 4: Or basically done deals for a couple of days now,

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Speaker 4: so none of those come as a shock to me.

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Speaker 4: What I find interesting about the names you mentioned are

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Speaker 4: O line coach, assistant O line coach, running back coach.

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Speaker 4: Are all O line coaches. Chin Young was the assistant

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Speaker 4: O line coach with the Cowboys. Yes, now I should

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Speaker 4: know Scarnecki is back. But Daddy was a big time

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Speaker 4: O line coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we mentioned that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, how he was, you know with the Patriots

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Speaker 3: from the eighties up until twenty nineteen. Yeah, five time

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion. I think you said it correctly. If

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Speaker 3: there was a Hall of Fame or a wing at

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame for offensive line coaches, he would

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Speaker 3: be first ballanced one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, easy one in there, no question.

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Speaker 5: So love all this O line influence.

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Speaker 2: That's where That's.

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Speaker 3: What I wanted to ask you about because you've been

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Speaker 3: on record on this show, and I'm sure Matt on

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Speaker 3: the the five million other shows podcasts that you do

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Speaker 3: as well of you know, like, aside from your coordinators,

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Speaker 3: you think offensive line coach is probably the most important, higher.

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Speaker 4: And maybe as important, maybe even as right Like if

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Speaker 4: I was an owner GM, whoever hired my head coach?

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Speaker 4: First off, question number one might be who's your O

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Speaker 4: line coach? Or who's calling offensive plays? I mean this

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Speaker 4: case it is the head coach, but the big I mean,

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Speaker 4: we have such a great you know, point of reference.

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Speaker 4: Here is a Munchhak ear. I'm not taking away from

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Speaker 4: the guys sense or whatever, but when you have one

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Speaker 4: of those five or six massive difference makers, I mean

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Speaker 4: Wolf and Tumes called them Munchhack millionaires. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: the Finnyes and Hubbards, that you can get an undrafted

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Speaker 4: player at that position, which is the biggest shortage in

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Speaker 4: make them roster worthy.

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Speaker 5: It's massive, man. I mean, it's such an advantage.

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Speaker 4: Because I was semi critical but not really that the

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Speaker 4: Steelers didn't draft in O lineman last year, and why

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Speaker 4: it wasn't is because first they didn't have a second

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Speaker 4: first two years of Omar's you know rain as GM. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so I figured, Okay, you hit it so hard those

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Speaker 4: two years. You have fewer picks than you had. You

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Speaker 4: don't have to go O line this year. But basically

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Speaker 4: I think you should draft one every year. And why

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Speaker 4: I bring up last year's draft was the other reason

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Speaker 4: it wasn't so critical was it's becoming so obvious and

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Speaker 4: last year's draft was the best example where you have

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Speaker 4: to spend a round heavier more than their worth. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's no bargains period.

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Speaker 3: It's the it's the most strenuous probably ever been. Quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the it's the worst case of supply and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but quarterbacks is definitely true at the top of

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Speaker 4: the draft. But you can get Will Howard in six,

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Speaker 5: There's guys that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean guys that you're attractive, you know, But

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Speaker 4: if you're if you're waiting to get your offensive tackle

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Speaker 2: The Jordans are few and far between.

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Speaker 4: And that's another one because he's one of the those

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Speaker 4: Z line coaches in Philly that went to Scotland. That

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Speaker 4: that makes a difference. So as much o line influence

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Speaker 4: as possible, And frankly, I think that's a big change

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Speaker 5: Is you know.

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Speaker 4: There's a there's an Eagles feel to it as well.

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Speaker 4: I mean they really stress both line to scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I when you were saying that, I went to Google

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Speaker 3: and I put in Munchek Millionaires, Pittsburgh Steelers. And you

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Speaker 3: know how now in the year of Our Lord twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six, you get an AI.

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Speaker 2: Overview for everything. Yeah. Yeah, Mundcheck's Millionaires the name uh

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Speaker 2: coined by Craig Wolfley to describe the offensive line during

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Speaker 2: Mike Munchek's tenure as Pittsburgh Steelers line coach.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you know that you mentioned the big names in

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Speaker 3: there that obviously everyone knows A Pouncy and de Castro

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Speaker 3: it's it's unbelievable. It's it's unbelievable. And yeah, you have

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Speaker 3: the first round guys in there, and the Pouncies and

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Speaker 3: the de Castros. Right, You've also got al hundred villainu

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Speaker 3: there's something to work there with that guy?

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Speaker 2: Is it's a tackle?

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Speaker 4: It was the Golden Goose for many many years now. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: I've been critical of Kevin Colbert, who I think is

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Speaker 4: to draftistory dot com, after they took the Castro in

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a single first round or for like ten years, right.

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Speaker 4: There's honestly, like hardly any I mean, like I say, it.

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Speaker 2: Was from the Castro all the way until Roger Jones.

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Speaker 4: It was not a first round, but I mean mean

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Speaker 4: there was only like three or four taken period.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 4: And one of them shows up as a center, but

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Speaker 4: But like there's even very like Chukes is in there.

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Speaker 4: Like that's bad business, and more so now than then.

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Speaker 4: The NFL changes so fast. But the reason they got

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Speaker 4: They hit it so hard that the same five played

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Speaker 4: longer than most do in the league, and you could

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Speaker 4: kind of ignore it. But then the cupboard that Omar

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Speaker 4: mean real bear, because they had not put any draft

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Speaker 4: capital into it for basically ten years, right by far,

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Speaker 4: the least in the lague during that stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was one of the best in the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they a good line.

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Speaker 2: I had a very good offensive line.

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Speaker 4: But it's hard to be critical because it's like this

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Speaker 4: O line coach, I just keep giving them garbage and

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Speaker 4: he turns them into starters, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but you know, you're right, that's one of those

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Speaker 3: things that that was interesting to me. You hire essentially

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Speaker 3: three offensive line coaches and one kind of fell swoop here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a clear priority. We know it's still a young

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Speaker 3: offensive line group. I mean, four of the five starters

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Speaker 3: who ends up being the guy, right, could be five

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I gotta think Scarnecki has got to be.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure he values the O line. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I mean as much as anybody you grow up in

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Speaker 2: Think that's Listen.

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Speaker 3: In terms of big picture, we're still relatively we're not

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Speaker 3: that far into the Omar khn era. We're not that

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Speaker 3: far into the Andy Weitdel era, like big picture wise,

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Speaker 2: I mean, without a doubt, particularly on that offensive line.

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Speaker 5: That jumped off the page for me draft one, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and so that you know, like I said,

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Speaker 5: On that.

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Speaker 4: I threw this out on Twitter because frankly, I don't

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Speaker 4: believe them, but some of the the O line stats

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Speaker 4: to me, for single players coverage and O line stats,

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Speaker 4: I don't take his gospel from like PFF or you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: as everyone knows, but they're not gospel. But anyways, see

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Speaker 4: them all who had really good ESPN metrics in terms

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Speaker 4: and I put out just to all my Twitter followers,

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Speaker 4: would you offer Isaaca one year deal? Run it back?

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Speaker 4: And some are like Rankin's destroyed him, he's old, go young.

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Speaker 4: Some are like someone might offer him a two year deal.

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Speaker 4: Most were kind of like, well, but I want to

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Speaker 4: draft one. And my rebuttal was well, I would offer

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Speaker 4: he's also a really good leader and he I'd prefer

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Speaker 4: a veteran in that room. I don't want a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: You know, you need you need that pecking order.

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Speaker 3: That kind of just all different lines of experience and age,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, talk about the coach.

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Speaker 4: I'll look up to him and he's smart and he's accomplished,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I would offer him a one year deal.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that number is, and I would

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Speaker 4: still draft two more and then inviably. Some smart Twitter

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Speaker 4: followers are like, but Matt, they usually keep like nine,

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you've got ten, and then

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Speaker 4: you're cutting a good player.

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Speaker 5: I think you're going overkill.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I want one too many at that position

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Speaker 4: more than any I want one too many. And it

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound like much, but there was two camps to

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, like you can always you're not going

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Speaker 2: One too many men, that's what.

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Speaker 5: Bone to pick with me?

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Speaker 5: That's how Dale and I did it.

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Speaker 3: So you'll do like your two shows midday and then Drive.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 3: a Tuesday afternoon and joining us now it's our buddy

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Speaker 3: Chris Adamski of course covers the Steelers for the trib

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Speaker 2: Buzz.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for taking the time. As always, we appreciate

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Speaker 3: it some. In the last twenty four hours or so,

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Speaker 6: that's kind of way I still read it. But yeah,

440
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 6: I could definitely see you know, Samalu coming back as

441
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 6: well real quick. And you're right about left oat, so

442
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 6: I mention left tackle. Yeah, I see exactly what you see.

443
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 6: I see Cooking Jones battle it out for the starting note.

444
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 6: That's the way I imagine left tackle will definitely go. Yeah. Yeah.

445
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 4: And the thing I wanted to expand on that you mentioned, though,

446
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 4: is one of my favorite moves from a team perspective

447
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 4: is negotiating with a player Jalen Warren. It's a perfect

448
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,479
Speaker 4: example that hasn't made much money yet. Spencer Anderson by

449
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 4: NFL standards, might take missus. Anderson might be like, I'll

450
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: take the signing bonus, now, you know what I mean.

451
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: Steelers like me here on this network.

452
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 5: We're much money yet exactly that's the sole room.

453
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: But the other thing too, I mean, there might be

454
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 4: the time to strike the iron when the tout or

455
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 4: whatever on Spencer Anderson. Now before he's you know, really

456
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 4: builds his resume and he hasn't made a lot yet.

457
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 4: You can get him maybe a seventy five cents on

458
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: the dollar. But the left tackle spot. You have both

459
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 4: of them for next year, but you don't have them

460
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 4: after that, you know, So I'd love to have like

461
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 4: a project tackle. Yeah, earn their money and develop.

462
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 6: Them, you know, yeah, I'm sure if that, If they don't,

463
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 6: you know, bring in another, I guess you at this point.

464
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I suppose if you have the two guys

465
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 6: that have left tackle and then the loser of that

466
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 6: competition is your swing tackle. I guess that answers that

467
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 6: question to point. So I guess you weren't really I mean,

468
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 6: having Cook show what he did this year, I think

469
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 6: he's at least the four of the opportunity to kind

470
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 6: of enter camp at the very least to be the

471
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 6: you know, the swing tackle for you. So it kind

472
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 6: of mitigates.

473
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 5: Making the team at a minimum, would.

474
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So it mitigates the need to

475
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 6: draft a tackle higher or you know, certainly sign a

476
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 6: starting Calumber tackle which is the money you don't if

477
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 6: you spending right now. A lot of this will come

478
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 6: down to where where does the organization believe Proderick Jones

479
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 6: is It's a you know, he's still he's gotten hurt

480
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 6: a lot. Now he's moving around. He finally got to

481
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 6: the spot last year. Now he did the injury. You

482
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 6: wouldn't think the injury is something that but you start

483
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 6: dealing with like next type things. You never know with

484
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 6: that linger and and you certainly I don't in my mind,

485
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 6: you don't have enough you know, good quality tape and

486
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 6: the themessage to pick up the option per se. But

487
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 6: if you don't pick up the option, then it's kind

488
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 6: of like what are you doing? Then you're gonna spend

489
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 6: your time like I don't know, it's like what you're

490
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 6: not going to pick up the options, You're gonna have

491
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 6: to be starting less tackle And you know, I kind

492
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 6: of go back and forth on it, but so I

493
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 6: would imagine having that now then it's it's kind of like,

494
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a MENI or it's a it's not

495
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 6: the exact same thing you're saying. But with Broderick Jones,

496
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 6: and if he does say he wins the starting job

497
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 6: and then he all of a sudden he's your starting

498
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 6: left tackle when he hits free agency. That's that's not

499
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 6: that's not good. I mean, it's not good in terms

500
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 6: of your leverage at that point. But I saw you

501
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 6: got to kind of kind of play it, like how

502
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 6: much confidence do you have in him to beat If

503
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 6: he can't beat out doing Cook with all due respect

504
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 6: of doing Cook and I like doing Coke. I'm not

505
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 6: saying this this in this context, but he can't be

506
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 6: out doing Cook, then you know, then when do we

507
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 6: even do it? You know what I mean? There's no

508
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 6: way he's going to be back at any point. So

509
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 6: I don't want to.

510
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: Keep harping on this, But he's gonna have new people

511
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 4: coaching them. Maybe they get a lot more out of them.

512
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 4: Maybe he's just a better fit for this group of

513
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: coaches than last. Who knows, you know.

514
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I still kind of feel like he's he's and

515
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 6: incomplete in a lot of ways. I mean, the moving around.

516
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 6: They're getting hurt that he's still young. Hem he always

517
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 6: was young. He always was inexperience, he always was I

518
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 6: mean projects not the right word. He always was kind

519
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 6: of a longer term thing. You know, if there was

520
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 6: going to be a certainly compared to for instance, bought On,

521
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 6: who we knew was kind of pro ready right away,

522
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 6: right and can step right in brit Jones had the

523
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 6: higher ceiling, and maybe he's gonna take an extra couple

524
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 6: year so you can buy those things that I don't

525
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 6: feel like I'm not not so I'm certainly gonna label

526
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 6: on a bus or anything at this point. But it's

527
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 6: also like you wish I had more, you know, like

528
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 6: you said, if you we're not going to pick up

529
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 6: the fifty year off. So there's obviously something I don't

530
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 6: say wrong, but there's something here that's that's missing, right,

531
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 6: There's there's obviously something so Yeah, so that that would

532
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 6: be interesting to see how they how they do that

533
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 6: and if they but you're right, you would, you would,

534
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 6: you hope. Although that's a pretty big position to kind

535
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 6: of go in with, right.

536
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I want to get one extra

537
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 4: I want a third round pick from a small school

538
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: that's developmental and has talent, you know, just sitting around

539
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: inactive on game day. But next year you might be

540
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: real happy to have them.

541
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point too. Yeah, I could I

542
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 6: could see that too, But it's always fun to do

543
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 6: the draft and like this they needed and then you

544
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 6: listen all of a sudden you're up to like mine positions, Yeah,

545
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 6: drafting or whatever. But actually this year they do have nine.

546
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's crazy to think Broderick Jones still just

547
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: twenty four years old. That is that's wild buzz.

548
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: One of the things, you know, aside from Isaac Samalu,

549
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: I feel like the other, uh kind of three bigger

550
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: name free agents for the Steelers that Matt and I

551
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 3: have kicked around over the last week or so. Kenneth

552
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 3: Gainwell of course team MVP, and then a pair of

553
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 3: cornerbacks in James Pierre and a Sante Samuel Junior. Of

554
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: those three, do you see any as a priority or

555
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: are you trying to lock any of them up before

556
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: they hit that proverbial open market here in about a month,

557
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: you know, do you like we've talked about, Hey, you know,

558
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: if you brought back a Pierre, could you could you

559
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: feel you know, settled with him and Joey Porter Junior?

560
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: If you bring back Kenneth Gainwell, does that feel like

561
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 3: you're set in the running back department? You know, especially

562
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 3: if you can get something out of Caleb Johnson with

563
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: this new coaching staff. Aside from Saamalou, those other three

564
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: Gainwell Pierre and Asante Samuel Junior. Do you any either

565
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: any of those trio as a as a priority for

566
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: the Steelers this offseason.

567
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 6: It's funny because I almost see now it's obviously Matt

568
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: just mentioned that both Cook and Jones are on the

569
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 6: roster this coming year. And where I'm going with this

570
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 6: is that I almost feel like, Okay, I could reasonable,

571
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 6: I could talk to myself in Okay, go into camp,

572
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: roll the ball out there, Pierre and Samuel, one of

573
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 6: them wins the starting corner job. You are the ones

574
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 6: that you know if you're at third out there, corn

575
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 6: or whatever something like that. Now it's not so simple

576
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 6: when you got to sign them both, right? Did you

577
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 6: sign them both? You get you know, what is there

578
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 6: a mark? How much of a market is there for

579
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 6: James Pierre? You know he's been in the league for

580
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 6: a while.

581
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 4: I was real quick on him, like, I think you

582
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: missed your window to sign someone that hasn't made much money,

583
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: because if he gets you open market, he's gonna get money.

584
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: And he knows, you know, like I don't think you're

585
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: gonna get a great discount on him. And I think

586
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 4: that ship sailed.

587
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that that you so you can't really, I

588
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 6: mean you seems like functionally or realistically you can't bring

589
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 6: them both back, probably Pierre because you know what, Yes,

590
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 6: So I don't know it. It's tricky then too with

591
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 6: Samuel because what's his value in the market is he

592
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 6: continues being completely healthy? Did he prove he's back like

593
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 6: I would imagine if he never got hurt last year,

594
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 6: you know, twenty twenty four, that he would have had

595
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 6: a pretty decent contract this last spring as a free agent.

596
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 6: So whether it was reading up with the with the

597
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 6: charges or not. So I don't know what the market

598
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 6: is for him either, what you're looking for now, So

599
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 6: if you can get them both back, yeah. Now that

600
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 6: being said too, we're in the world now, which we're

601
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 6: so almost pron precedent. At least something for us covering

602
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 6: the Steelers, monitoring the Steelers is that there's a new

603
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 6: coaching staff coming in, right, so whatever capital I mean,

604
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 6: like Danny Smith loved James Pierre, right, I mean, he

605
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 6: wanted when he could have had him all the time,

606
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 6: and then the coaching staff. You know, I think Mike

607
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 6: Comman had a real appreciation and there all those guys did.

608
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 6: But they're all gone now, right, so there's not the

609
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 6: institutional attachment maybe to some of your own free agents

610
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 6: that may be in the past. So I tend maybe

611
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 6: home on the fence and something. If I'm predicting, maybe

612
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 6: I'm a lot less likely to say this guy will

613
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 6: be back and this guy'll be back, because it's essentially

614
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 6: a whole new team at least in terms of the

615
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: coaches now. I know, you know, management's the same and everything,

616
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 6: so hey, there's not that. But I mean if to

617
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 6: answer your question though, I mean gain well, I think

618
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: for sure, because you're right, you can just completely the

619
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 6: running backs, you still have some meeting the bone. Lehould

620
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 6: go to explore if he's meeting the boone For Caleb Johnson,

621
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 6: for sure, he's obviously gonna, you know, be on the

622
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 6: team this coming year, and you can, I would, you know,

623
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 6: see what there's solid something missing. Maybe the whole new

624
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 6: coaching staff again can get something out of him. And

625
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 6: and you know, game what was your team MVP? Right,

626
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 6: And I think he would be a good fit and

627
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 6: he quote unquote West Coast offense that that Mike McCarthy

628
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 6: referenced and uh in terms of that, so I think

629
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 6: he'd be seen enough him being a weapon before the Steelers,

630
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 6: and certainly when he's with the Steelers. I think he's

631
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 6: the number one priority in part because you have two

632
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 6: options there at that position. But if not, you know,

633
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 6: I it's to use a high draft pick on a

634
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 6: cornerback again, I don't know, it's uh, it's kind of crazy.

635
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 6: At least at least the Steelers finally got the homegrown,

636
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 6: uh number one cornerback after many years of trying to

637
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 6: do that over and over again and kind of go

638
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 6: on the veteran route, So you don't have to worry

639
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 6: about that.

640
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 5: At least you mentioned them.

641
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: And I can't remember if you if we've had this

642
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: conversation last week or not, but my hunch is Caleb

643
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: Johnson and Rome and Wilson are the happiest two players

644
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: on the team About a coaching change. You know, you

645
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: just get a new set of eyes on you. They

646
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: do have had agree. You know you're gonna see more

647
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: three receiver sets now too, So maybe that opens the

648
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: door for Wilson as a slot.

649
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 5: So maybe those two get a new lease on life.

650
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely. I've talked about those two and then for

651
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 6: different reasoning are different type of level, but pat Fire

652
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 6: and Myth as well.

653
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think us in terms of.

654
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because you just think that they're that, you know,

655
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Speaker 6: I think everybody across the fan base everything too. But yeah, definitely,

656
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 6: because you're right whatever's happened, especially in Rome and you

657
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 6: got two years, but they're both essentially the same in

658
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 6: terms of they obviously had fallen out of favor, for

659
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Speaker 6: for better or for worse. Whoever forward is, I don't know,

660
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Speaker 6: but they're obviously going to you know, they's not gonna

661
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Speaker 6: be cutting this point of the season for sure, so

662
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Speaker 6: they're gonna have a whole spring and a whole summer,

663
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Speaker 6: the whole new fresh set eyes that comes in with

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Speaker 6: a you know, a clean slate and everything. And you're right,

665
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Speaker 6: there's Ted Petterick there, there's talent there, and I do

666
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Speaker 6: think you could see you know that, you're right, that's

667
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 6: a good way to put it in. They're they're happy

668
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Speaker 6: because they're gonna get especially they'll get their fresh start anyway,

669
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Speaker 6: which you know, in some ways I'm sure secretly not personal,

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Speaker 6: I'm sure, they just varying degrees, you know, like their

671
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Speaker 6: coaches or whatever. But I'm sure that they would welcome

672
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Speaker 6: a fresh start at this point with a different team

673
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Speaker 6: if they if they had that option. So now essentially

674
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Speaker 6: you get that with the whole new coaching staff, and

675
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 6: it's probably good for the you know, Steelers too, to

676
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 6: be able to maybe whatever it is, maybe there's just

677
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 6: something they'll click. But with one of these guys, that

678
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Speaker 6: both these guys with new guys coaching them, with their positions,

679
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Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, you got a much

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Speaker 6: greater asset on your team.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're hoping for, certainly, Chris. Before we let

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Speaker 3: you go, Matt and I were kind of laughing to

683
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Speaker 3: you know, when we have our extensive pre show production

684
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Speaker 3: meeting before we go on air, we were we were

685
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: kind of laughing, like we've spent so much time talking

686
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Speaker 3: about my McCarthy and that coaching staff and free agency

687
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: and the draft and Senior Bowl and all these things.

688
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, the Super Bowl is a few days

689
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: away too. This Sunday, the Big Game is. It's been

690
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: called over the years, who you got winning on Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna be a crownd Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm I'm being too

693
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 6: on the surface here or whatever. I got a feeling

694
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Speaker 6: the Seahawks may just blow them out. I don't know,

695
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Speaker 6: I just feel like, I mean, at the Patriots often

696
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 6: it's been like painful to like the fact that they're

697
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl now, and the three playoff games

698
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Speaker 6: they played. I know one of them is in the

699
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Speaker 6: snow so whatever, but it's like all three of those games,

700
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Speaker 6: I felt like it was like scratching a chalkboard with

701
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Speaker 6: your fingerne I got't like this, didn't feel like there

702
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 6: was a much quiller there offensively, and but they won

703
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Speaker 6: all three. Give them credit, you know, and every talk

704
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Speaker 6: about their schedule you look at you know, every all

705
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 6: but three teams they played of have a new coach

706
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 6: this year coming up after through their schedule. But hey,

707
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Speaker 6: they still only have what lost one game since September, right,

708
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Speaker 6: I mean, what are we doing here? But so I

709
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 6: don't know, maybe I'm selling them short, maybe without digging

710
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 6: into much in the matchups and actually, you know, take

711
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: an analytical point of view, but I just feel like

712
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Speaker 6: the Seahawks. Seahawks have by the eye test, look to

713
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 6: me like the best team. Their resume is the best

714
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Speaker 6: team they're playing. That they're hot right now. They they

715
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Speaker 6: blew out the forty nine ers twice, like a fort

716
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Speaker 6: as a pretty good thing, good team. They blew them

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Speaker 6: out twice in the two weeks, you know, two and

718
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Speaker 6: a half, fifteen days. Man, I guess it would have

719
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Speaker 6: been good three weeks, three weekends. But and you know

720
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Speaker 6: they've they've beaten they beat the Rams. Who what if

721
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Speaker 6: they here's a competition, who would the other good roster

722
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 6: would be? Would be the Rams? And they beat just

723
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Speaker 6: beat them, so that they're hot, they're playing better at

724
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Speaker 6: this point right now, both sides of the ball. I mean,

725
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Speaker 6: the question mark to me, well, you know the Seahawks

726
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: all year would have been how's Darrel gonna do when

727
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: the playoffs or in the in the weighty moments, the

728
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 6: weighty games. And he looks pretty good so far here.

729
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: So I just I don't know, I feel like you

730
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 6: guys kind of got it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe just me,

731
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Speaker 6: but you kind of got to talk yourself into final,

732
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Speaker 6: you know, to just keep it simple. When the Seahawks

733
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 6: are a better team, the Seahawks should win. I like it.

734
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Speaker 3: Chris Adamski, great stuff as always, make sure you're checking

735
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: out his coverage in the trip listening to him and

736
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Speaker 3: Tom at noon on the steel Blitz.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the time as always, partner. We'll talk to you.

738
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Speaker 6: Soon, all right, guys, thanks time we talk you.

739
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Speaker 3: Then there he goes Chris Danski. I'm leaning that way

740
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Speaker 3: too towards the super Bowl.

741
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Speaker 2: But we'll get more.

742
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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't want to divulge anything.

743
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: We'll get more in that.

744
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 5: I hear where he's coming from.

745
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Speaker 3: For sure when we come back on the other side.

746
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: A topic that we wanted to get into yesterday but

747
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: we didn't have enough time. Final explosive play, differential, pretty telling,

748
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: pretty telling about the teams that are at the top

749
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Speaker 3: of this list, and a kind of underlying theme that

750
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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson's been discussing with us all year, really ever

751
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Speaker 3: since back in late July early August, whenever training camp

752
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Speaker 3: got rolling. So we'll get into that to close down

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Speaker 3: the first hour of the Drive here when we return

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Speaker 3: West Shooler, Matt Williamson, Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio.

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Speaker 1: Note your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to

756
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

757
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: We're going to talk some explosive play differential here in

758
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: just a second, Matt, I did want to run this

759
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Speaker 3: by you first, though, because this is another thing that

760
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: you bring up a lot this time of year.

761
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Speaker 2: The NFL salary cap. Oh yeah, man, how that number's

762
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: going up.

763
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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't pay this guy that much, But you

764
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Speaker 3: have to view it within the context inflation inflation. Via

765
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Speaker 3: Tom Pellisero, of course, credible reporter from the NFL network,

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Speaker 3: the NFL informed its franchises, its clubs. That is a

767
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: projected salary cap for twenty twenty six in the range

768
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Speaker 3: of three hundred and one to three hundred and five

769
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Speaker 3: million dollars per team. That would represent a significant jump

770
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Speaker 3: from this past year, where the salary cap was a

771
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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy nine million.

772
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Speaker 5: I think it was like two hundred a COVID two eight.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, the salary cap was two hundred

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Speaker 3: and eight million dollars per team fifty it's going to

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Speaker 3: be in the three oh one to three h five

776
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Speaker 3: range just four years later. So that, Matt, is a

777
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five million dollar raise on just last year alone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's.

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Speaker 2: A wide receiver number two on just last year alone.

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Speaker 5: I'm massive. Now.

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Speaker 4: The best way to judge the health of the NFL

782
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: isn't contracts or ticket sales, or jersey sales or number

783
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: irons they sell. It's acta shirt, you know what I mean.

784
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: It's there's two things. It's a salary cap and it's

785
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: the value of franchises, and both are going up at

786
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 4: a ridiculous rate. I made at a much faster pace

787
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Speaker 4: than any time in NFL history. There's rumors, strong rumors

788
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: that Seattle is gonna put their team up for sale

789
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Speaker 4: after maybe winning the Super Bowl. When you see that number,

790
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: you're gonna be like, this league is pretty healthy.

791
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: Pretty flush.

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00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I made this joke to you in TV

794
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Speaker 3: like a few months ago. But I like Forbes comes

795
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Speaker 3: out with that list of most valuable words franchises every year.

796
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Speaker 3: And if you look fifteen years ago, like around the

797
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: time that I was in college, you look fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 3: it would be the Cowboys and the Yankees, and the

799
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Speaker 3: biggest soccer clubs in Europe, Real Madrid and Manchester United

800
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Speaker 3: right here, like like fifteen years ago, twenty years ago,

801
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: it was it was a couple of European soccer clubs,

802
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: and like the Cowboys and the Yankees, now the Cowboys.

803
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: Are in a stratosphere of their own. I'm a lot

804
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: of these NFL franchises.

805
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: They they've doubled the valuation of Real Madrid and Manchester

806
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: United and some of these massive European soccer clubs, like

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00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: they have lacked them almost in the last decade in

808
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Speaker 3: terms of value for franchise.

809
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not.

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00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: Even close, Like those biggest European soccer clubs would be

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Speaker 3: a mid level NFL franchise value right now.

812
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: Wow, when they've probably gone up too. Sure they're not floundering,

813
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: sure right.

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Speaker 3: The only franchise in the entire world outside of the

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Speaker 3: NFL that has grown like the NFL is the Golden

816
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: State Warriors because they were they were very low on

817
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: the totem pole, and then everything that's transpired in the

818
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: last decade with the Steph Curry and all those championships

819
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 3: they've won and moving from Oakland to San Francisco, they're

820
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: actually now the second most valuable according to Forbes American

821
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Speaker 3: sports franchise behind the Cowboys.

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00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But then it's like the Yankees and and NFL.

824
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Speaker 4: Team and the NFL team. Yeah, so two things on

825
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: that we all know. Tepper used to be a partial

826
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: owner here. He used to stay a massive Pittsburgh Ties

827
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: and all those those things.

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Speaker 2: Pit and see mu guy.

829
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Speaker 4: But he is an investment guy, and my dad draw

830
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: into investments. He's like, he makes a lot more of

831
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: investments than anything else, you know. But the ultimate evst

832
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: you don't have to be an investment expert to realize

833
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: buying an NFL franchise is like full proof money in

834
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: the bank. I mean, like real estate, you know what

835
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, right, And the best example ever is Washington.

836
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: Daniel Snyder takes that team over and maybe was the

837
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: worst owner in NFL history and like tripled his money

838
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: in billions. You know, couldn't have done a worst job

839
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: at his job.

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Speaker 2: Woody Johnson's probably in the same boat.

841
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly. You can't lose.

842
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: It's like other than you know, other than five star

843
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: real estate, you know on South Beach or Manhattan, Right,

844
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: it's buying an NFL franchise about the best investment you

845
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: can make. Matt explosive play differential something that we talked

846
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: about all year along with everyone knows turnover differential crazy important,

847
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: But you would stress to everybody explosive play right there.

848
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Explosive play differential almost just as is important along with

849
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: sack differentially. Yes, it's something we tracked all year. Remember,

850
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: a run of ten or more yards is considered explosive,

851
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: a pass of twenty or more yards is considered explosive. Yes,

852
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: for where we're at to this point, every NFL game

853
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: in the books, except for the final the super Bowl.

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00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 5: This is all regular season stuff.

855
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 2: Yes, regular season stuff. I go get yeah, I guess

856
00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: you're right.

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00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 5: Plays excluded, So everybody played the same amount of game.

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00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: You want to guess who number one and number two

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: on the list of explosive play differential was in the

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Speaker 3: NFL this year. So I mean, you know you put

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Speaker 3: together you put together the final list for me, I

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00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: just yeah, it's the Seahawks and the Patriots.

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00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: Shocker.

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00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: You know who else was in the top five? The Rams,

865
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Speaker 3: the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: Four of the team, four of the five team or

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Speaker 4: top four of the top five played last weekend.

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Speaker 5: We're still alive as of a week or so ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, not an accident, not an accident at all.

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Speaker 5: So we talked about this a ton.

871
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: You know that in the preseason, and I'm sure there

872
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 4: were people that I know there are people like, oh,

873
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: that's great insight, you know great, And I'm sure there

874
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: are people like take your stats, and I don't want

875
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: to hear you know, like, but this is just massive

876
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 4: proof that you are going to hear about this all

877
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: off season from every analyst in the world. It's the

878
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: biggest trend probably in the league.

879
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: The rest of the top ten is rounded out by

880
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: the Bills, the Jags, the Niners, the Texans, all the.

881
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 5: Best teams, all the best teams.

882
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you don't allow explosives and create explosives. Now,

883
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: how do you go about doing that? Well, that's why

884
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: you hire coaches. Sure, I mean that's not my job.

885
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 4: I mean everyone in But I wonder that if I

886
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: wonder how long this has been important, because like in

887
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: the world of analytics, we're still pretty new in the NFL.

888
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: It's not like Baseball or whatever. Was this as true

889
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: in the seventies and eighties and nobody knew it. Yeah,

890
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: I'm just sorting it out there. Or is it more

891
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: more important now than ever? I definitely think it's more

892
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: important than it was a few years ago for this reason.

893
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: In particular, is the kick well just all of a

894
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: sudden too, the kickoff rules. You're not starting at the twenty,

895
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: you're starting at the thirty five. And the kickers are

896
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: amazing now, I mean amazing compared to NFL history, No

897
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: position's gotten better faster.

898
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Than it's great. We expect guys to drill fifty yarders

899
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: now automatically.

900
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 5: They're a bum if they don't.

901
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: If you don't, right, if you miss one from fifty

902
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: one or forty nine, what's the matter with you?

903
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: And this Jags dude's kicking them from his own end zone.

904
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Boss has drilling a sixty yard or every life to

905
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: win the game.

906
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: So think about it.

907
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 4: If I get the ball to thirty five as opposed

908
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: to twenty, I have one explosive in my drive.

909
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 5: I'm getting points.

910
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: That's a great point.

911
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 5: I mean, like that's that's three points minimum. Probably.

912
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: If I start at the thirty five yard line and

913
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: I pick up a twenty six yard pass completion.

914
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 5: That's three points at least.

915
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 7: I'm almost in field, basically in field colder right, right, right,

916
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 7: If I've got a good kicker, yeah, and everybody does,

917
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 7: you know, right, And there's more domes and you know, right,

918
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 7: So I think that has a lot to do with it,

919
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 7: and defenses are adjusting accordingly.

920
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 5: Everyone's playing nickel, too high shell.

921
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: That was gonna be my other. There's so much too

922
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: high shell and so much they fear it so much.

923
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: There's so much fear of giving up the explosive that

924
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: now if you can still find a way to do it,

925
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, that's really a feather in your cap.

926
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 4: So here's one trend I think we'll start to see

927
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: that the legal start to pick up on two is

928
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 4: everyone remember is the running backstone matter stuff?

929
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

930
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 5: I mean they are replaceable. They don't.

931
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: They don't have a long shelf life. They get beat up.

932
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 4: I would rather have good blocking than a great running back,

933
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: you know, should the Raider the Raiders drafted gently, It

934
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 4: didn't move the needle at all. Jags or the Giants

935
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 4: drafted Barkley. They didn't win any more games because of it.

936
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, even you and I both love Beijon, but

937
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: it's not like that's tip the scales for.

938
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 4: The fact, like that's what put them over the top.

939
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: But I wonder if I can get running backs that

940
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: can break the long one. The Chans and some of

941
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: these names we just mentioned that take the respect, the nausey.

942
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: But he's the perfect example. Yeah he gets four, he

943
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: gets five.

944
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: But someone who could turn that into fourteen.

945
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 5: And consistently and like and I end up with ten

946
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: more explosive.

947
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: Run jimor Gibbs of the world.

948
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Kenneth Walker has been really good for them,

949
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: lightly too, you know, like that type of thing. So

950
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: everyone's going to be more and more creative of how

951
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: to create explosives, how to eliminate explosives. But I wonder

952
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: if explosive running backs value will go up a little

953
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: because you're playing lighter boxes, you're playing two high shells,

954
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 4: playing against a lot of nickel. Saquon. I mean, the

955
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 4: Eagles won the Super Bowl last year with Saquon ripping

956
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: off more explosives than any one league. So the good news,

957
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: I know we're probably up against it. This my hunch,

958
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: but I think we talked about this with the Steelers

959
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: defense coordinator. Higher is in terms of just explosive plays

960
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: allowed or percentage percentage, the Raiders were second best. The

961
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 4: Vikings were the best. Explosive play percentage allowed.

962
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.

963
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: So there's a couple teams that had fewer explosives, but.

964
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: In terms of like percentage, Steelers.

965
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: Arned really bad explos twenty fourth in the league.

966
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, earned eighty five explosives on offense, surrendered one hundred

967
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: on defense. That's a negative fifteen differential on the year.

968
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: For example, the.

969
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Season massively has to Seahawks and the Patriots are plus

970
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: forty plus thirty nine.

971
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: Steelers are minus fifteen. If you look at the one

972
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: hundred explosives given up on defense, the Raiders eighty seven

973
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: explosives given up on defense. Yeah, I mean the Raiders

974
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: give up thirteen less explosives than the Steelers play.

975
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: Do we think has the better talent on their not

976
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: even close. So yeah, the Steelers twenty fourth out of

977
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: thirty two minus fifteen.

978
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm hoping, because you and I are going to talk

979
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: about it at a time, but I hope, like the

980
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: next press conference from the coaching staff and coach McCarthy

981
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: get better and explosive to play differential things.

982
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: I want to love to hear somebody mention that offseason.

983
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm sure they're aware of this stuff, but.

984
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: You better, Rea, and like you and I mentioned super talent,

985
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: Steelers were top five in turn and takeaways top five

986
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: and sack sixth and.

987
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: Sacks yeah yeah, ye that stuff.

988
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: Great that that helps you be so bad in this

989
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: department twenty fourth in the league and still win the

990
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: division and make the playoffs.

991
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

992
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: But imagine if you could stay at the top of

993
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: the league and takeaways and sacks and get your explosive

994
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: differential at least to a net neutral.

995
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: It probably should be their number one offseason goal in

996
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: terms of things that you know, we had a bunch

997
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 4: of them in the offseason. Get your yards per carry

998
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 4: up by point two.

999
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Go from sixteenth in the league in sacks back into

1000
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: the top five.

1001
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1002
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not talking about like find your quarterback

1003
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 4: and who's to tackle? About what can you accomplish when

1004
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty six season's over. If you get you're

1005
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: supposed to play differential up?

1006
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: Pretty telling.

1007
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I bet they're one of the only playoff

1008
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 5: teams that are near the bought.

1009
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: That's exactly where I was going with this. Like the

1010
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: Eagles were minus four, Okay, the Panthers were minus one

1011
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: other than Panthers, but the Eagles and the Panthers were

1012
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: seventeenth and nineteenth in the league. That's a little bit

1013
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: better than twenty four, right. But you look at the

1014
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: teams that are around the Steelers, the Browns, the Giants,

1015
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: the Commanders, the Raiders, the Cowboys, the Titans, the Saints,

1016
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: the Cardinal.

1017
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: I mean, it's they're all picking in the top five.

1018
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: And then again you look at the teams that are

1019
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: at the top of the list doing this. It's the Seahawks,

1020
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: the Patriots, the Packers, the Rams, the Broncos, the Bills,

1021
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: the Jags, the Niners, Texans, Bears, Chargers, the team.

1022
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 5: One of the interesting ones is the Chiefs. I think

1023
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: are the.

1024
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: Chiefs are in the top ten. Yes, they're kind of

1025
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: the one outlier.

1026
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: They'll be back, folks, They'll be back.

1027
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 4: The thing they didn't get some bounces this year, but

1028
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Chiefs aren't going away, guys.

1029
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: They might not go to the next seven straight AFC

1030
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 3: Championship games, but they are not going away either.

1031
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 5: This will be the lowest they pick in a long time.

1032
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: I have a feeling I think he might be right.

1033
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 5: You guys are get real sick and you talking about

1034
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 5: explosive plays.

1035
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sick of it.

1036
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1037
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 5: In fact, what is what driving the league?

1038
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: Rde Now we want some more. We want some more.

1039
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: We want some more. Remember the Titans? Yeah yeah, what

1040
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: is pain fresh bread? What are explosive play differentials? We

1041
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: want some more. We want some more, We want some more.

1042
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: Hour in the books, another hour to go, Matt.

1043
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: I've got a fun idea for us for kind of

1044
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: the rest of the week here as we put a

1045
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: bow on this NFL season positional report cards. So we're

1046
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: going to go through that before we get to the

1047
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: combine and really start looking to twenty twenty six. Let's

1048
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: do some looking back positional group report cards. Will do

1049
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 3: an offensive segment and a defensive segment for the rest

1050
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: of the week, right, And we'll start that exercise when

1051
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: we return in hour number two.

1052
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the

1053
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network.