1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and I'm welcome to 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Stefan Never told You Protection of I Heart Radio, and 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: welcome to another segment of fictional women around the world 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: are segment sub segment, as I like to call it. 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: For today's episode, since Falcon in the Winter Soldier just 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: finished or kind of just finished, and the theories are rampant, 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a primer on Sharon Carter with no 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: spoilers UM or at least probably not, and we are 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: focusing mainly on the m c U, the Marvel Cinematic 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Universalist Comics UM and I did start working on this 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: before the finale. I have now seen the finale, but 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of funny because I was gonna 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: I was trying to like catch the wave because everyone 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: was speculating about the show at the time, but then 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: we had to postpone it because I had to talk 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: about Star Wars because of Star Wars Day, so it 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: got too late a month and now I'm like, well, 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: I've kind of missed the wave, and we're also trying 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: not to spoil people. So it's an interesting intersection that 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: we're at right now. Right, yes, but people are still 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: they're still talking about it. They still got theories. And 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: as we've said before, the Marvel universe and multivers can 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: get real wacky, and every character has multiple red coons 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: or reincarnations by different creators or almost every character, And yeah, 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: we're going to stick to the movies and shows for 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: this particular episode. So in the m c U, Sharon 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Carter is played by Emily Van Camp and she was 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: first introduced in Captain America The Winter Soldier. She was 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: a nurse lawyer, and then she reappeared in Civil War 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: and is on the Disney Plus show Falcon and The 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Winter Soldier. She is the great niece of Peggy Carter, 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: a founder and creator of Shield, something she kept hidden 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: because she felt the pressure of her living up to 34 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: her was too high. She also looked up to her 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: aunt Peggy and wanted to be like her from a 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: young age. Yes, she tells the story of getting her 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: first thigh holster despite her mother's protest. Carter joined Shield 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: due to the encouragement of her great aunt. Yes, and 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: during the Winter Soldier movie she worked undercover under Nick 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: Fury's direction, Yes, as the nurse to keep an eye 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: on Steve Rogers. Captain America. She says, like for protection, 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: but I also felt like I was sort of like 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: spying because they weren't really sure what was up. There 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of scepterfuge in that movie. When Shield was 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: proven to be infiltrated by Hydra, she stuck by Captain 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: America and Shield loyal to Fury and Steve Rogers and 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: her actions helped save millions of lives. And she did 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: flirt a lot with Steve in this movie, and Steve 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: asked her out, which she did turn down. Steve did 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: not know she was related to Peggy, his first love. However, 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: she did know that Aunt Peggy at the very least 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: was like way to this guy at one point. And yes, 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: they did kiss in Civil War, So now I when 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: your soldier the next one they did and uh yeah, 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: she says something like you waited long enough or took 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: you long enough, something like that. And people have talked 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: about this a lot. They've talked a lot about this moment, 58 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: sometimes saying it was you desire for a family life. 59 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: Because he didn't know about time traveled in He didn't 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: know it was a chance that he could go back 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: in time. Also, does that make him her great uncle, 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: her uncle. Well, I think it doesn't base on how 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: time travel works in these movies makes no sense. I 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: know it doesn't make sense, but I think that I 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: don't like it. It's true, it's true. I could be 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: absolutely wrong. I just know that the way they did 67 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: time travel in these movies is different in the way 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: most every other movie I've seen this time travel. And yeah, 69 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: so he didn't know about time travel when they kissed. 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Sharon's adoration for Steve, that she'd grown up with hearing 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: about him from her aunt Peggy, that maybe she'd kind 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: of like absorbed that, which is also kind of messed up. 73 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: And in many ways she was similar to Peggy. I 74 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: can't imagine Peggy would approve. I'm just saying, right, yeah, yeah, 75 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: And I do think this is a moment that a 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of people have tried to forget has happened, but 77 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: they also find about it a lot, which we're going 78 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: to talk about more. Yeah, that it is odd when 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: you consider all of the different aspects going on. And 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how old she's supposed to be or 81 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: how old Emily band Camp is, but it feels like 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: there's an age. I mean, there's obviously the age, like 83 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: he's old at this point. He is literally senior citizen 84 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, he spent a lot of that 85 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: in ice though. Still no, I'm with you. I'm just saying, yeah, 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: so him. We Van Camp said about it, quote you 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: sort of trust and hope that it all makes sense 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: in the end. I did have a few moments where 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: I wondered, what a we're going too far with this? 90 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: Should this be more of an amicable, friendly moment? I 91 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: don't really know. I don't think any of us really knew. 92 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: I don't think it's anyone's fault that it didn't totally 93 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: work in terms of the story. I don't think anyone 94 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: knew where that was headed or what we were going 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: to do with the moment. It was a sweet moment 96 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: as it was. I guess I saw a lot of articles. 97 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to say this is backhanded compliment, because 98 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: that's not really the right term. But we're like, she's 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: handled it really well. She's handled like when people ask 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: her about it, she's handled like very diplomatically, I guess, 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: And certainly we've read stories and I'm struggling to think 102 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: of an example right now, but I know I've read 103 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: stories of like a vampire who like loves it's usually 104 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: male vampire loves this woman she ages in guys because 105 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: she's mortal, and it falls in love with her daughter, 106 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: and it is weird, but it also kind of makes sense. 107 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: But they're also monsters, so they typically thought of as 108 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: monsters and or stealing youth. So there's a whole level 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: of like. Because the other thing I just thought about, 110 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: honestly was hook that's the same. I don't have you 111 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: ever seen yea Moira? So Wendy and Peter Pan they 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: were together. She grows old and Peter Pan comes to 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: get her, finds the daughter, not the granddaughter, it's the granddaughter, 114 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: her granddaughter, and falls in love with her and decides 115 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: to stay for her. But I always thought that was 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: creepy too. I think it's hard to reconcile. I feel 117 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: like there's a part of me that gets it because 118 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: on one level it does make sense, not not necessarily, 119 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I feel like sometimes you can 120 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: feel an attraction for someone that is not romantic, but 121 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: you feel it because it reminds you of something sentimental, Yeah, 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: and you might confuse it for something that it's not, 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: and it still feels weird, but I don't know. I 124 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: guess I can. It makes sense to be on some 125 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: level right that there would be something you know, Yeah, 126 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: I guess it's to me, it's kind of how they try. 127 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: M c U was like, oh, look see they're romance. 128 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: You just seem to force and unnecessary. Yeah, that's how 129 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I felt to me. It felt like, oh my god, 130 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: we've got to get some romance in here. There's not 131 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: that many ladies to choose from. We've really already Black 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Widows got her own thing and she was like our 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: one lady, So here's this one. She happens to be 134 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: related to that other lady well that you loved, but 135 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: he that is That is how it felt to me. Yeah, 136 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: And I mean that's also a problem that we talked 137 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: about when we did our one division Spoiled episode that 138 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: I think the m c U has not necessarily their 139 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: fault because there is a lot going on, a lot 140 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: of storylines, but that means that sometimes it's suddenly like, oh, yes, 141 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: Wanda and Vision are in love, and we have not 142 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: done any thing but just tell you that they're in love. 143 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: There's no one build up or anything. It's just like 144 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: together yes, exactly. I think the romance in general and 145 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: these movies kind of suffers from that issue, all right, 146 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: But back to the kind of plot. When Shield was dissolved, 147 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Sharon joined the CIA, was instrumental and helping Cap in 148 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: his search for Bucky after he was accused of bombing 149 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: the Vienna International Center, even returning the equipment to the 150 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: on the run at Captain America and its companions during 151 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: the Avengers Civil War, forcing her to go on the 152 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: run as well, and earning her the label enemy of State. 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: This is also when Yeah said kiss with Captain America happened. 154 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: She said late, that's what it was. She said, damn 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: right when he said that was a little late. H Yeah, 156 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: exactly so. And it's at this point Steve didn't know 157 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: she was related to Peggy. She who Peggy had died 158 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: earlier in the movie, spoke at the funeral and kind 159 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: of giving Steve a talk during it. Yes, and I 160 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: like that speech, but it always reminds me of the 161 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: joke like make like a tree. You can get out 162 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: of here and make like a tree and leave, because 163 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: she's like make like a tree and plant, don't move, 164 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: say you move. But I always think theyk a tree 165 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and it's the opposite of what she was going for. 166 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: So this is how she ended up in magrapor and 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Falcon and the Winter Soldier. There's no extradition there. She 168 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: was believed to have died in the snap, which worked 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: in her favor, but it was hard on her. She 170 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: couldn't contact her family or friends. She harbor's anger that 171 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: the Avengers didn't help her. Definitely more outwardly cynical than 172 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: we last saw her. She calls the whole hero thing 173 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: a joke. She had to work in the black market 174 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: to make a living, though she did say I thought 175 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: if I had to hustle, might as well enjoy the 176 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: life of a real hustler. Eventually, Sam Wilson, Captain America, 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: got her a pardon for her help. We'll stop there. 178 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: Spoiler Wise that spoiler, Yeah, it's a little spoiler, but 179 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: no a spoiler. So she's very smart adapt do strategic 180 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: tactical quick on her fate. Obviously bilingual all spies needed 181 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: this right ambities and excels in subterfuge and combat and 182 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: weapons training. Yeah, somehow she was able to go through 183 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: that whole scene fighting. She was pretty bad. Later we 184 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: see she is good at reading people and being manipulative 185 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: and also just real lethal. She's very loyal up and 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: to a point, and her time on the run has 187 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: definitely hardened her. Yeah. In general, I will say her 188 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: storylines have been controversial. People have a lot of thoughts, 189 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: as they do about Marvel stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll 190 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: see where this goes. But yeah, people often do have 191 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: these really start opinions in this fandom and about women 192 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: in this fandom, and especially women going for what they want. Which, yeah, 193 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm not signing off on the story necessarily or saying 194 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: there wasn't there weren't issues in conversation to have, but 195 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: you can't Deny actually goes after what she wants. Um. Yeah, Um, 196 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: I think I think they have come to the point 197 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: that at least they're making her a lot more interesting. Yes, 198 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: But when asked about this controversy, the writer on The 199 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: Falcon and the Winter Soldiers said, quote, she'd been shut 200 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: out by all the intelligence agencies, so that when she 201 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: tried to make her overtures to come back, they tried 202 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: to grab her and arrest her. So they forced her 203 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: into being a criminal. She was discarded, She was traded 204 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: by the institutions that made her, which was a big 205 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: theme in that Hole show. Right. Yeah, and I including Steve, 206 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: including the past Captain America for someone like her already 207 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: had inferiority issues around her Aunt Peggy. That had to 208 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: really suck. And that is really pretty terrible that he 209 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: liked kissed her and then used her and then he 210 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: went from his bros, got them all out, but sure 211 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: didn't help her. Yeah, which again there's so many storylines 212 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: in these. I get that, you know, sometimes it's not 213 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna I'll work out because she's not avenger, but it does. 214 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: It's like one of your few women somebody if it 215 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: makes her feel like, yeah, just a tool that they 216 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: used to have romance. And then she's gone, right, which 217 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: is pretty terrible. And I think that she might maybe 218 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: she's a burnt Cinnamon role. She's not quite, but she's close. 219 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: She's got a similar like she had. She had a 220 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: lot more optimism and kind of this like really loyalty 221 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: shining through. And then and last we saw her, it's 222 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: much more cynical then previously. Yes, she's also really quick 223 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: to say let's kill people, So that's true at the beginning. Yeah, 224 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: that is true, and that's something that's always like the 225 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: superhero movies where you're left wondering like, are you knocking 226 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: out all these people or are they did right? Is this? 227 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: Are you leaving dead bodies all up in your way? 228 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of seem like it. I know, 229 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: they usually with Captain America, kind of went out of 230 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: the way to be like, he's not killing people. You know, 231 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: he probably would have been if you're not going by 232 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: movie physics. But and that's also why I think the 233 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: trope of aliens or robots and villains is so popular, 234 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: because we don't feel as bad usually unless they've really 235 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: made you feel sympathetic toward the aliens, but you don't 236 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: feel as that as as well. Did that superhero just 237 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: murder like hundred people? Right right? You're like, wait, wait, 238 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: wait what? Well that was the big thing with what's 239 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: his name, John Walker? The kind of answer that in 240 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: America where he killed somebody very violently just because he 241 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: was angry, right exactly, there were a lot of issues, 242 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: right he went to the dark side. Well, we shall 243 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: see what happens, and perhaps we'll revisit this topic in 244 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: the future. In the meantime, if you have any suggestions 245 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: for fictional women around the world. Are women around the world. 246 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: You can email us or emails Stuff Media mom Stuff, 247 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I Hurt Me You dot com. You can find us 248 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast or on Instagram at 249 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: stuff I Never Told You. 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