1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: and today on the show we're talking about animals with 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: missing body parts. Don't worry. These critters haven't been mutilated, 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: but rather through evolution, they've ditched certain appendages. Legs don't 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: need them, wings forget about it. Tails lose them. Sometimes 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: efficiency requires sacrifice and body parts have got to go. 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: Discover this and more as we answer the age old 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: question how many eggs is too many eggs? Joining me 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: today's front of the show producer at iHeartRadio, Joe el Monique. 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hi, Katie, thanks for having me back. 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I am so excited. We are actually in the studio together, 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: which has not happened in over. 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Two years since the beforetime. Times. 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: We're making direct eye contact. Basically, it's super weird. 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: We're really trying to hold it together. Oh my gosh. 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: It's nice though, to be back here with you. You know, 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: I imagine there will be one there's always one bird. 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: I think in all of our conversations. 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: You're so lucky. This time there's no birds. There's no birds. 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: I feel very lucky. 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: You're you're super lucky. Today it was between this and 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: the All Birds All Swarms episode, and uh, you know 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: this one, this one just by a very thin margin 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: one out. So yeah, Instead we were talking about animals 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: who are missing like a key body part that you 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: think they should probably have. 28 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of exciting. Yeah, they got me thinking 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: about what body part humans would lose. 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: First, Yeah, what do we use the least of our 31 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: major body parts? 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: What's the one organ that don't know? What is there 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: for the tendex appendix appendix. I'm surprised if that hasn't started, 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: like just missing it. 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Just falling out, feeling it was not. 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: Necessary for anything that we can decipher, so you chuck 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: it out of their body. 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: There might be something too, like I keep hearing things 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: about like, well maybe it has some immune function. We're 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: not sure. 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 2: Okay, all right. I keep hearing our thumbs are going 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: to get longer because of how we use our phone. 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Ah, thumb longer. Yeah, I could use longer thumb. 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: The longer thumb would be helpful, It would be really helpful. Yeah, 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: but losing a part seems like I feel like I 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: need all the things I want both eyes at least, 47 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: you know, the ten finger seems essential. I mean there's 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: obviously people have been able to adapt and make changes 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: and adjust two missing body parts. But like, as a species, 50 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: if we were like we. 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Just don't need that anymore, I feel like maybe one 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: toe could. 53 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: Go, which I I would like all the middle ones, 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: the middle ones, yeah, for balance. 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Right, like yeah, but you know, yeah, no, I can't 56 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: think of a body part that I would just want 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: to part with voluntarily. But yeah, I mean it is 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: interesting when you look at animals who are missing parts 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: that you think they should have. I mean a good 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: example is like a snubnose monkey. That is a primate 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: who's a relative of ours, and their nose is just gone. 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean they have their nasal cavities, but the nose 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: itself is gone because they live in cold, high altitudes 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and so the sort of frostbite that they'd get from 65 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the nose is not really worth having the nose, so 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: instead they just have like a you know, just these 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: little holes in their face. They're still cute. I like 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: them still. But our first interesting animal that we are 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about is a moth actually, and what 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: is like the main defining feature of a butterfly or 71 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: a moth. That's right. Yeah, it's the thing that differentiates 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: them from a caterpillar in sort of a simplistic way. 73 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're wings, but some moths are wingless. Specifically, 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: the females of a few families of moths have almost 75 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: no wings. They they actually technically do have wings, but 76 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: they are teeny tiny and they don't. 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: Work their little baby wings, little baby wings. 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: It's sort of like remember a bug story, the classic 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: pixar ants who have sort of a worker's revolution, and 80 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: then there's the caterpillar who metamorphosizes into a beautiful butterfly, 81 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: and then it's funny because he's got these tiny wings. 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: That chunky caterpillar baby wings. 83 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: It's this, it's the same thing because this moth has 84 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: is very chunky and it has tiny wings that they 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: don't even look like wings. They look like little rabbit ears, 86 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: which is cute. 87 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: They do look like little rabbit ears. It sort of 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: reminded me on Halloween when girls dress up as very 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 2: but they have like little baby wings. Yeah, these wings 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: would not propel you up into the air. They are 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: clearly just ornamental. Are these ornamental? In some are they 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: designed in the attraction process. 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: No, that's what's interesting. Also, when I was a kid 94 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: and there was like the little tiny fairy wings, I 95 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: would get frustrated because I really wanted to see big wings, 96 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: because like that is not going to support a human. 97 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: No. No, And we can see what a proper proportion 98 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: of wing to body looks like in nature. It's why 99 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: dragons have those big giant wings. Exactly. Think all of 100 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: that mass is gonna need a lot of air support. Exactly. 101 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Give me some big pterosaur wings please. 102 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like million little dt ones that come just 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: out of your back. It's only two and not four, 104 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: which doesn't make sense directionally, you're gonna have a lot 105 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: more issues with two as opposed to if you have 106 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: that second layer down low like a butterfly. Uh yeah, 107 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: wings should be proportionate, which is making this more confusing. 108 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: Why what happened to their wings? 109 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is that the males of this species, 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: these wingless moths, actually do have wings. 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: Sexism. 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, patriarchy is everywhere. We need moth feminists. So 113 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: they look like typical normal moths. They just you know, 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: just kind of plain months. These are winter moths. And 115 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are pictured there are these just kind 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: of grayish brown moths. They look normal except for the 117 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: females that have these adorable little fluffy baby wings and 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: then a huge, chunky body. So this actually occurs in 119 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: a few species in the family geometrod uh And so 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: there are some species in which the females do have wings, 121 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: but a few, which are the ones that we're talking about, 122 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: where the females don't have these wings or have these 123 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: little stubby wings. One cute fact, this is a little 124 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: bit of a tangent, but it's too cute not to 125 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: talk about. There's a species of geometric moth where the 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: females have typical wings, but the caterpillars in this species 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: will cover themselves in little pieces of plants or flowers, 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: plant matter to camouflage themselves. So I've sent you a photo. 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: There's like this thing that looks like kind of a 130 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: weird I guess like las or Bouquet, whoa withered flower 131 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: petals there's a caterpillar under there. 132 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: I fashion that was like, what is this flower here? 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out what this flower was doing, 134 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: and then oh, my god, that's so weird. I never 135 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: think there's a bug in there. It does live like locator. 136 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love this one. Anyways, back onto the 137 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: topic of the wingless moths. Species of geometric moths who 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: do have wingless females include the winter moths, bruce spanworm, 139 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: and the fall cankerworm moths. So again, the males of 140 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: these species look pretty typical, pretty normal, they're pretty small, 141 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: they have a wingspan of a couple of centimeters. But yeah, 142 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: it is really interesting that this has evolved in these species. 143 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: The winter moth is found in Europe and mate in 144 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: winter and in cold temperature, and the bruce span worm 145 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: in faulknkerworm does the same in North America. So this 146 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: is actually a key detail that all these moths prefer 147 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: to mate in cold temperatures, and so this is the 148 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: first clue into like why these females don't have these wings. 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Most insects actually avoid the winter. The male moths of 150 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: these species have adapted stronger flight muscles in the males 151 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to be able to flutter around in cold temperatures, and 152 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: so by adapting to this difficult time, they avoid some 153 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: amount of predation from birds. And you know there are 154 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: bird species who are migratory they go in winter in 155 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: warmer climates. And so while there may be some winter 156 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: birds who remain their avoiding predation from this whole segment 157 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: of birds who are like, this is too cold, we're leaving. 158 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: The females, meanwhile, have gone sort of in this opposite 159 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: direction of the males in terms of like the males 160 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: have these like very strong wings, females ditch the wings. 161 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: Females ditch the wings and they will just sit on 162 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: trees and excrete male attracting pheromones, basically making the males 163 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: come to them. And the females are absolutely crammed with eggs. 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: They have almost one hundred and fifty eggs in their 165 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: tiny little bodies. So she has sacrificed both the size 166 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: of her internal organs and her wings and ability to 167 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: fly for sheer volume of eggs. So these males will 168 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: just flutter around, congregate around females mate with them, and 169 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: it's great. The female doesn't have to do anyth thing 170 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: other than sit there basically store these eggs, and then 171 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: lay the eggs once they're fertilized. 172 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: Amazing. Here's why I like her plan. Okay, first, she 173 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: was like, men not only do you have to come 174 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: to me, but like, please leave when you're done. This 175 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: is my house and it's cool here. It's clearly too 176 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: cold for you. I don't want to inconvenience you, just 177 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 2: get on. I love that she's like, I'm just gonna 178 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: do this by myself. One hundred and fifty eggs a lot, 179 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 2: like at one time, seems like a lot. But if 180 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: you think about it, does she only have to do 181 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: this once? Can? She is a one and done situation. 182 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: Get it done, just get it all done. 183 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 2: Wonderful, an efficient clean. We love her. 184 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: I really like how you see this thing where the 185 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: females have taken on all the storage costs in mating, 186 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: where the males have taken on all the travel costs. 187 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Look at they're working together. I love to find a solution, right, yes, yes. 188 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: And apple goals for real. 189 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: Right, And probably the system couldn't work well if they 190 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: lived in warmer climates because the female is sitting pretty 191 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: prone on this tree and she can't fly away, say 192 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: like a bird or something is trying to eat her, 193 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: Whereas in a much colder climate she is less likely 194 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: to encounter a predator like a bird, and so she 195 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: can really invest totally in becoming like a storage barge 196 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: for eggs, whereas these males can invest in being like, well, 197 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: we're basically sperm taxis and going around, and so they 198 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: have this wonderful system. 199 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: Sperm taxis and egg barges. It's a children's book waiting 200 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: to happen. I yes, every time we're here, we think 201 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: of a new animal. 202 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Children about I you know, I think it is important 203 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: for kids to learn about this stuff. And I you know, 204 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: I think there was like a recent news story about 205 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: there being this controversy because some children and show or 206 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: some schools teaching about how certain species of fish change 207 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: their sex, like clownfish. There's actually several species of fish 208 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: that do this. It's not not that novel, uh, And 209 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: yet it was this big controversy like, oh, you can't 210 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: teach kids. It's like, well, you know, it's just reality. 211 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Sorry the fish don't la la la. 212 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: We don't want to hear about your transfishes. Woke mob, 213 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: get out of here. 214 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah if so, I guess the transgender agenda is so 215 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: powerful it can actually make fish change their sex. 216 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: The idea, the the power they have given to trans 217 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: books that they definitely do not have. Yeah, it's it's 218 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: creepy and weird. 219 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 220 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: Leave trans kids alone. Y. Yeah, they're just, like you're, 221 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: trying to live their lives. They did nothing to those fishes. 222 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: Leave those fishes alone. They're just doing what they're supposed 223 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, survive. This is good for their species. 224 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: They don't need us to tell them. They're Yeah, yes, bizarre, bizarre. 225 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Uh, cancel the ocean. 226 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: I guess oh god, I mean we're doing a great 227 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: job of that. 228 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: We are we are our own. Oh no, So what 229 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: is the difference between a snake and a lizard? 230 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 2: Joel? 231 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: This isn't a setup to a joke. I'm not trying 232 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: to trick you. It's it's the feet, okayo the I mean, 233 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing it in very simplistic terms, right, Like, again, 234 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: this is not like a trick. Yes, So, like, snakes 235 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: don't have legs generally, and lizards do have legs. Of course, 236 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: there are other differences, sure, you know, anatomical differences, but 237 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: this is the main distinguishing difference between snakes and lizards. However, 238 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a legless lizard? 239 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: No, because that's a snake. We just went over. 240 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I know it sounds like a legless lizard would just 241 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: be a snake. But surprisingly, no, this is not the case. 242 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: So there are lizards who, over many years of evolution, 243 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: have lost their legs or they've been greatly reduced to 244 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: tiny little nubblets. And this has been done independently of snakes. 245 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: So over eight families of lizards containing multiple species have 246 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: independently lost their legs. So this is an evolutionary trend 247 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: that has happened over and over again independently. It's a 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: popular thing in the lizard world to just lose your legs. 249 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: It's this appropriation. Were they looking at the snakes and 250 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: they're like, this slice seems better. Uh, and now I'm 251 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: going to call myself a snake. Everyone's like, technically you're 252 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: a legless lizard. They're like, well, lah lah, I can't 253 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: hear you. 254 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is it okay to do appropriation? Once you've 255 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: gone so far so deep in, you're willing to give 256 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: up your. 257 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: They've become part of the culture. They too, slither on 258 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: the ground, Okay, they know that snake white. Okay, really 259 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: blaring some wines here. 260 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: So snakes and lizards evolved from a common ancestor a 261 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: reptile squawmate. So the fossil record of the oldest known 262 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: common ancestor to snakes and lizards was found in northern 263 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: Italy in the Alps, and it is a species from 264 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: around two hundred and forty million years ago called mega 265 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: caryrella wac tillari. Gosh, that is so many consonants jammed 266 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: into one word. 267 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: Give it to me again, Katie, How does it go? 268 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Mega, kyrilla, waktillary. 269 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, big word which means oh, gosh. 270 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Well Mega means big okay, and kyrilla that means something 271 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: for sure. 272 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: It sounds like it's you have a Latin tex right right, 273 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: There's some consonants, some vowels, so probably a word that 274 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: has a meaning. Yes, I never agreed. 275 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: I never got to the Latin what all the Latin 276 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: words mean in my skewling. But what makes legless lizards 277 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: different from snakes? Well, they are technically examples of how 278 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: snakes evolved from a lizard like ancestor. But they are 279 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: distinct from snakes because legless lizards evolved from a different 280 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: lineage and in a different evolutionary path from snakes, As in, 281 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: legless lizards and snakes don't share a recent common ancestor. 282 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: Oh and they also have different anatomical characteristics. So legless 283 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: lizards have eyelids and ear holes, which snakes do not have, 284 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: and legless lizards aren't able to swallow prey larger than 285 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: their heads like a snake can. So basically, in every way, 286 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: legless lizards are lizards that don't have legs, whereas snakes 287 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: are evolutionary and physically distinct from lizards, not just in 288 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the fact that they lack their legs. 289 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, guys, this is so trippy. So 290 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: first of all, when you're looking at a legless lizard, 291 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: uh and you're seeing the eyelids, for some reason, it 292 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: feels more anthropomorphized or like human. It's like, what do 293 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: you call those things? Not a transffer? No, no, no, 294 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: not a transformer, but uh ah, where they it's like 295 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: they're transmorphing. Is that the book cover where they show like, yeah, yeah, 296 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: turn into a different animal. Yes, it looks like an 297 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 2: anamorph and it's right in between a lizard turned into 298 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: a snake and or a human. Boy, it's a very 299 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: weird but kind of cool. 300 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: Look. 301 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: Yes, their bodies also seem like thicker as compared to 302 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: their heads. Like, I feel like a snake's head is 303 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: typically like a little more tapered than than this is 304 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: it is it is it like bonier than a snake. 305 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: It looks I mean, if you count the like la like, 306 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: there's probably more sort of vestigial leg architecture going on, 307 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: so like a pelvic girdle they will probably have, whereas 308 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: a snake doesn't necessarily have the pelvic girdle. But in 309 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: terms of like, snakes do actually have a rib cage 310 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: all the way down, but it's much I feel like 311 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: they're much more expandable than the lightless lizards. So legless 312 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: lizard is a little more structured, whereas a snake is 313 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: a little more like the its skeleton really allows for 314 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: a lot of expansion because of the whole like eating 315 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: food larger than its head and can really widen its jaws. 316 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's kind of a misnomber to say they 317 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: dislocate their jaws because their jaws are just naturally not 318 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: a yeah, they're not not a fused like our jaws are, 319 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: and so they can open their mouths really really wide, 320 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: and also their rib cages can are more flexible. They 321 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: can expand to a lot of these big, big meals, 322 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: So that's why they can eat stuff that's like way 323 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: bigger than their bodies. 324 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, looking at it, I becuess I would see 325 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: like a snake. Sometimes some snakes have more of like 326 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: an s curve when they slither, whereas this feels like 327 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: it would be much more like wavy and less of 328 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: a defined curve like it wouldn't maybe I guess more 329 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 2: like this like kind of turn reading ass Is that 330 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: what I'm looking for? 331 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's they probably do move a little differently, 332 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: although they do. They do slither essentially like a snake does. 333 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: And you know they are they come in all sorts 334 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: of different sizes. So this first photo that I've shared 335 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: with you, All of these pictures will be in the 336 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: show notes. This is a glass lizard and it is 337 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: one of the bigger species of legless lizards. It's this 338 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: It's I think it's quite beautiful. It's sort of this 339 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: pale tan color. It's got these like weird it's not injured. 340 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: I know, it kind of looks like someone slashed It's 341 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: that's a natural part of this species. It's just sort 342 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: of a skin fold. So yeah, it's called the shell 343 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: top who sick. It is one of the largest species 344 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: of legless lizards in the world, found in southern Europe 345 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: and Central Asia. It is it grows to be a 346 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: little under four and a half feet or one hundred 347 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: and thirty five centimeters. And yeah, that that groove is 348 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: sort of folded skin, so it's it's normal. 349 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: It looks badass. 350 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Looks wise. It looks like a white like, you know, 351 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: sort of the There are various dragons. I think some 352 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: of them are called like worms or something like, aren't 353 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: there dragons where it's they don't have wings and they 354 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: just kind of like slither through the air. 355 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they fly, But there's 356 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: definitely they sort of resemble like a komodo dragon, but 357 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: like in fantasy terms, So they're yeah large, and they're 358 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: like clod you know, and typically instead of the almost 359 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: dinosaur like head, it's more lizard like. Typically. Yeah, you 360 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 2: definitely have those types of dragons, which are cool, Like 361 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: Kmodo dragons are cool. 362 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: They are very cool. 363 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: These lizards are cool. I think what makes so like, 364 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: what's terrifying about a snake and cute about these legless 365 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: lizards is a snake can like prop itself up and 366 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and like really confront you. 367 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: You're like, you're should not be facing me like this. Okay, 368 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: you can just go on the ground and then up 369 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: in the air and look me in my eye while 370 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: you kill me. Horrifying. Little guy's killed. He is not 371 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: going to get it. Doesn't look like he can prop 372 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: himself up. 373 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, I don't think they coil in 374 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: this defensive manner that snakes. 375 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's much cuter that plus eyelids equals to snake. 376 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 2: I could rock. Can't blink at you, Yeah, yeah, it 377 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: could wink at you. It could flirt. 378 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: It's cute, it could flirt. What you need for flirting 379 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: is eyelids. And if you don't go them, you can't flir. 380 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: The ability is gone. These little guys are also kind 381 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: of like the one with the tiny fettle legs. 382 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: They are so cute. Yes, so there's the small one 383 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: of the smaller species of legless lizards, or the southern 384 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: California legless lizards who are small enough to be mistaken 385 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: for earthworms. They are just a little tiny guys. Uh 386 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: so cute. And then some species of lizards have not 387 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: fully lost their legs. These are actually my favorites. But 388 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: they are going in that direction though, so like they 389 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: have legs with their teeny teeny teeny teeny days. 390 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: If you saw Deadpool and these little tiny baby feet, 391 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: it's exactly what you're thinking of. They're so little. Do 392 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: these like help them propel or is this just a 393 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: slow form of evolution, like we're getting rid of them, 394 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: it just takes time. 395 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: It's they probably have some positive use otherwise it's I mean, 396 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: they could be vestigial, but I believe for these like 397 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: it helps them a little bit. The rear legs probably 398 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: helps with mating. Four legs probably helps a little bit 399 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: in terms of burrowing or something. But I don't think 400 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: that they're super super functional or helpful. But yeah, I mean, 401 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean they might. They just have a sort of 402 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: different evolutionary path. They may never like if you gave 403 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: them another you know, million years, they may never lose 404 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: their legs, or they may lose them. But yeah, this 405 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: is called the Italian skink, which sounds like an anti 406 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: Italian slur, but it's not. Apparently that's a great name. 407 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: What a bad love it? Oh man? The Italian skink wonderful. 408 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: So I think one of the most interesting things about 409 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: this is like the way in which these legs have 410 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: been lost in lizards and snakes over and over again. 411 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: So why do both snakes in some species of lizards 412 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: lose their legs because legs seem pretty useful. The most 413 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: likely reason is that burrowing or hunting in burrows made 414 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: legs less efficient, So sliding into burrows is easy when 415 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you don't have any legs in the way, so they 416 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: can just slide in, grab a baby, go for eat it, 417 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: and slide out. Early snakes slowly lost their legs, they 418 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: still had hind legs in some species for a while, 419 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: and in modern BoA's they still actually have little tiny 420 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: you can't even barely see them. What, Yeah, you really 421 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: can't see them very well. It's just like they almost 422 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: look like little tiny like clothing and that is it's 423 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: like called a clasper and they can clasp in during 424 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: mating and it helps them kind of like attach on 425 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: to the female. 426 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: Bowls just got two more terrifying. I didn't know. I 427 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: really didn't know they were using hooks for sex. The 428 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: very advanced creature. 429 00:24:50,359 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: Fish like don't kink shame the bowl community so Joel, 430 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: I can I make the assumption that you might be, 431 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit wary of scorpions. 432 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: Definitely wary of scorpions. Definitely if I saw one, I 433 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: would move in the other direction. I don't want to 434 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: harm them, but you know, if we never cross back. 435 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: It's how I feel about birds, people all over there. 436 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: And it's really good that you have that space, and 437 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to take any from you. In fact, 438 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: I think we should preserve your space. But I would 439 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: not like to be in that space with you. What 440 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want you in my space. 441 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: Scorpions are the birds of the ground. According to Joel, Yes, 442 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: you're afraid of birds as well. Yes, for I mean 443 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: you've been on the show multiple times, so I hope 444 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: people would know that about you by now. But yes, 445 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 1: afraid of birds, afraid of scorpions makes sense. You know, 446 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: the scorpion is quite scary. What is the scariest part 447 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: of the scorpions stingy part? 448 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: Yes, ya overted at you. It's got like a big 449 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: needle at the bottom that can stab you. And then 450 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: it's poisonous snow. Yes, yeah, yeah that seems bad. 451 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I I like scorpions. But I so, I 452 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: grew up sort of next to a canyon, and for 453 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: whatever reason, my room would get infiltrated by critters all 454 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: the time, which was fun. It felt like it happened 455 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: to my room the most. Maybe they they sensed my 456 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: creature feature vibes. And yet I accepted some of them. 457 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: But the scorpions, no, I couldn't. I could not accept 458 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: living in my midst It was. It was very It 459 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: was they were tiny. They were like these little, tiny 460 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: tan scorpions. But like, even if it was scorpions small, 461 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean it's harmless because it could have venom. 462 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I I was quite afraid of them. 463 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's all because of that fierce, sort of 464 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: syringe like tail that they would chode you. As you 465 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: point out, Uh, so, it is kind of funny to 466 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: me that there is an animal called the tailless whip scorpion. 467 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: Which minute yes, which looks like. 468 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: A kind of horrifying crab scorpion, but it's got no tail. 469 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: Okay here, already, I'm so confused because if I think 470 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: of a scorpion and anything whippy, it's that tail. Yeah, 471 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: this one is whippy without the tail, Yeah, Diva, is this. 472 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: So the whip part of it I think comes from 473 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: the fact that it has these like really long antenna 474 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: like structures that good large. Then yeah, it is a 475 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: horrifying looking arthropod. It does not have that tail though 476 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: that scorpions often have. 477 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: Scorpions can be terrifying in an entirely different way. People. 478 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: I just want to let you know if you were 479 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: scared at the tail, you didn't know, Uh, it could 480 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 2: have crab like claws. Oh my god, I just know 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: some like alien creature designer has been looking at these 482 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: being like my time is coming, Like I'm going to 483 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: implement this into a horror film. Yes, and terrified pe 484 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: This is so weird and scary and big. I would 485 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: scream so loud if I saw this in nature. Oh 486 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: my god, Katie, where are they? So I never go 487 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: near that. 488 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Well, they are found kind of throughout the world because 489 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: they are actually multiple species with an order called ambly page. 490 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 491 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: And it is actually not a true scorpion, so it's 492 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: in the eracted class, which includes scorpions and spiders. 493 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 2: I can see that. 494 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: But the tail is whip scorpion while being a relative 495 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: of both scorpions and spiders. Is neither a scorpion nor 496 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: a spider. 497 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: Now, animals, I really need you to get into. How 498 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: are you both related to both of these but also 499 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: classified as neither. That's interesting. 500 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just its distinct order. So scorpions have 501 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: its order of species, spiders have its own order, and 502 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: so this one has its distinct order. They're just all 503 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: kind of cousins, you know. 504 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, those guys in class of his own, and 505 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: to be fair looking at it deserves to be, has 506 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: earned its own space title and recognition. 507 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: So what Joel is reacting to is that this thing 508 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: looks like you crossed a crab, a spider, and a 509 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: scorpion and it created kind of a horrible alien. So 510 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: the this has these long legs, very long and skinny, 511 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a spider. It has an antenna very 512 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: long and sort of skinny, like I don't know, just 513 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: really long antenna, kind of like a lobster. And then 514 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: it has these two long, skinny legs that end in 515 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: these little pincer claws. 516 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 2: Uh. 517 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: And it is yeah, it's it's I think it's cool, 518 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: but I acknowledge that it's unpleasant looking and They also scuttle, 519 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of like a crab. Oh, scuttling is something that 520 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: turn some people off, and so yeah it is. They 521 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: are basically a spooky, slender version of a crab spider 522 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: or spider crab or whatever. They can get to be 523 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: quite big, usually spanning larger than an adult's palm. So, 524 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: for instance, the damon. 525 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: I think, not Katie what. 526 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: So for instance, the daemon Diadema tailless whip scorpion of 527 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Central Africa has a body that's only a little over 528 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: an inch long or twenty eight millimeters, but its leg 529 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: span gets to be up around eight inches or twenty centimeters. 530 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to be near his body 531 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: is so creepy. It's really like the legs are so 532 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: spread out, and I feel like, as a human, my 533 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: eyes are like which one do I need to focus on? 534 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: You know? 535 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: With a scorpion, they have the courtesy of being like 536 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: here's one tail, don't lose sight of it. Okay, these guys, 537 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: they're like danger could come from anywhere at any time. 538 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: And also I scuttle, I can move in any direction 539 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: at any time. I don't think so. 540 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: It's three hundred and sixty degrees of no. So they 541 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: may look horrifying, and yes they do, but they actually 542 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: have no venom. They're very shy, and they generally don't bite. 543 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: The most you have to fear from them is getting 544 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: pinched by their pair of long, pinchy pincers if you 545 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: scare them or antagonize them. 546 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: Poor phone crawls over you while you're sleeping, and you 547 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: just scream yourself. 548 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like a crab where it can 549 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: pinch you, it can kind of hurt. These can, you know, 550 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: make little tiny puncture wounds, sort of like if you 551 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: get pricked by a thorn or something. But there's no venom, 552 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: so it's not dangerous. It's not dangerous at all. They 553 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: just look like they could kill you and latch onto 554 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: your face, rip your eyeballs out, but they can't. 555 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: Millions of years of human evolution has told you you 556 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: should not touch or be near this thing. Okay, your 557 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: body knows, even though even though your brain may know better. 558 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: Be like, listen, you could survive a pinch and be fine. 559 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: Your body said, we will not be putting in candy 560 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: this way. 561 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because these legs are very they are arachnids, 562 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: and they have eight legs, but it looks like they 563 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: only have six, but that is because one pair of 564 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: their legs have been modified into the antenna, so those 565 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: really long antenna that get them. The name of whip 566 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: scorpion is the modified front legs that have grown extra 567 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: sensory neurons and actually is now used as antenna. The pincers, 568 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: the little what looks like little legs with pincers, are 569 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: actually modified pettipalps. Pelps are when you look at a spider. 570 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes they have what look like tiny little arms near 571 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: their mouth that kind of go like ye, yeah, which 572 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: I think are cute, but yeah, those have become really 573 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: elongated and have the cool addition of pincers and they 574 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: use those like a crab wood where they grab food, 575 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: grab prey. Sometimes they even stab the prey with them 576 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: and then bring it up to their mouth and then 577 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: they eat it with their chillicera. 578 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: May I ask what their diet consists. 579 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Of small invertebrates. Usually they will occasionally eat a small 580 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: vertebrate if the opportunity arises, but generally they only mess 581 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: around with other arthropods. 582 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: I like when they start eating the vertebrates that it's 583 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: really terrifying to me. I will say this is my 584 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: love hate relationship with the whole spider and spider esque community. Okay, 585 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: y'all eat the little bugs that bite me that I hate, 586 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: and you keep my house clear of them, and that's good, 587 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: that's good for all of us. But then you are 588 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: also terrifying. I have to deal with that. I've been 589 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: getting pretty good about not killing the spiders in my 590 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: house for those of you who are really about like 591 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: you just said it free. I can't touch them because 592 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: it weirds me out, but I will go get someone 593 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: else in my household be like, will you just gently 594 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: transfer this thing far outside of our door so it 595 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: can come back in, but also it can just continue 596 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: to do what it needs to do. This one. I'm sorry, buddy, 597 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: if you come in my house, you have to die. 598 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: It's not I can't cohabitate even for a second. It's 599 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 2: so creepy. 600 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some people keep them as pets. 601 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, this thing can't show you affection. That's not 602 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: a pet. 603 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: Pinch your cheek with it's a little cloth. 604 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 2: No no, no no. 605 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: So they actually, despite I guess being nightmare fuel, they 606 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: are very much introverts. Mating consists of the male depositing 607 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: his sperm packets on the grid and gently guiding the 608 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: female over with the hopes that she'll pick up the 609 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: sperm packets, in seminate herself, and bear offspring. 610 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 2: So yeah, Wins could learn a lesson, is all I'm saying. Sorry, 611 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: Katie said, please explain. I'm just saying I think this 612 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: is a much cleaner way of doing things, just to 613 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: be like, if you want to, it's here, but don't eat, 614 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 2: no stress. I disagree, and the lady's like you. I 615 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 2: think I will pick it up and then just like he. 616 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: Leaves his sperm on the ground in like little packets 617 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: like here you. 618 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: Go, guide you back to you can. 619 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: Take a sperm, leave a sperm in that louck. 620 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: You'll learn about whether this is the kind of person 621 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: whose children you want to care or not. You know. 622 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I strong disagree. I don't want to trip over 623 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: random sperm packets. 624 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: Are you saying? Dating and LA has warped me? This 625 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: is the earlier problem. 626 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: That's one of those little robots that delivers food now, 627 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: but for sperm packets. Yeah sounds great. 628 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: Perfect. 629 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: After the eggs hatch, the tiny baby tailless whip scorpions 630 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: will actually climb onto their mother's back until they are 631 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: old enough to be on their own, and their mother 632 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: and the babies communicate using their weird antenna legs, which 633 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: is a rare social behavior from arachnids. 634 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: That is kind of cuge. Communicate through touch me to 635 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: you guys. 636 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: Behaviorally, they're actually really sweet. They're just very kind of shy. 637 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: They are not aggressive at all because they don't really 638 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: have that much to defend themselves with. Like, yeah, they 639 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: can pinch you, and they will if they feel threatened, 640 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: but you know, it's not much. So they generally are 641 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: very very shy, very reserved. They're clearly very shy in 642 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: the dating pool. They just they want to hold hands, 643 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: like basically take a walk and hold hands is like 644 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: the equivalent of sex for them, and then they like 645 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: are communicate with their babies. It's very cute. 646 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So as long as one of these doesn't sneak 647 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: up on me in my own house, maybe I can 648 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: get somebody else to come take care of them and 649 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: escort them outside. 650 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I can't. You're like, pinch me. I must 651 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: be having a nightmare. It's like okay, we'll do well. 652 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: Before we go, we've got to play a little game, 653 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: and that game is called. 654 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: Guess Who's squawking? 655 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: The Mystery Animal Sound Game. 656 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: I love this game. 657 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you, 658 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: the listener, and you the guest, try to guess who 659 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: is squawking. So first, last week's mystery animal sound, the 660 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: hint was this, this patriotic bird often doesn't get credit 661 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: for its work. Oh yeah, that came through. 662 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: I almost spit water all over this sec. I didn't engineer. 663 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 2: I was so good. I did not, but I was 664 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: very close. Oh my god. Uh because patriot you said, 665 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: as patriotic h eagle and he said it was hard. 666 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: It often doesn't get credit for its work. 667 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: Is it a it's a government government eagle? Now I 668 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 2: love that. 669 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: I really wish there was a species of rapper called 670 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: the government eagle. So this is it's not a government eagle. 671 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: You're doing in the right zone. Now, this is actually 672 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: the red tailed hawk. So congratulations to the three fastest guessers, 673 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: Auntie Bee, Joey P, and Emily M who all wrote 674 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: in and guessed correctly. 675 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 2: Smart. 676 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so red tailed hawks are raptors found throughout North America. 677 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: They're a medium sized brown hawk with a white underbelly 678 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: and rusty red tail. Their majestic call is often stolen 679 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: and used as the call for bald eagles in movies 680 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: or TV shows, which is their larger, more famous raptor. 681 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, because when I heard it, I was like, 682 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: this definitely sounds like an eagle. Yeah, and what I 683 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 2: know of eagles, the call is very uh, unique and specific. 684 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 2: When you hear it, you're like, okay, attention. So I 685 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: can see why they were like, I don't know what 686 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: sounds the bald eagle is making, but it's not this. 687 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: It's not this. 688 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: You want to hear what sounds the bald Yeah. 689 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: Well that is adorable. Yes, that is listen here in 690 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 2: America if you're not from here and have not seen 691 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 2: the way we use a bald eagle. Uh, they're majestic sharpshooters, Yeah, 692 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: in the sky who cut the sky with their wings 693 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: and then dive on their prey. They're very manly. We 694 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 2: put them on a lot of our war vehicles. That 695 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 2: adorable chirping does not match the mental image we have 696 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 2: as Americans of our country's bird, the bald eagle. So 697 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 2: we did we as we typically do. We had to 698 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: steal it from something much cooler and not acknowledged that species. 699 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,479 Speaker 1: I know, but the red tailed hawk is also found 700 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: in North America. It's an American species. We're just like, 701 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: you're not big enough. We really need an It's like 702 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: this manufactured symbol, right like you eat an eagle that 703 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: looks big and fierce. And the bald eagle is pretty 704 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: big eyes, he's got those sharp eyes, got those big claws. 705 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: And the red tailed hawk is not nothing. It's a 706 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, fierce predator, but it's smaller. It's you know, 707 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: not as striking looking, I guess, but it's called it's 708 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: much more majestic then the bald eagles. A link. 709 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 2: It's cute though. I love the bagles sounding. I'm not gonna. 710 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: It's just like they makes them sound like a little 711 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: like you know, it's like a little kitty laugh or you. 712 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 2: Want to get out of te set and not go 713 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 2: to war though, so uh. 714 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: You know how Americans feel about tea. 715 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, put that in the bay. Okay, So now 716 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: what does the he says, the red tailed hawk? Yeah, 717 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 2: what do these things look like? They look like a 718 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 2: typical hawk. 719 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: They just kind of they're not you know, you know 720 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: what a hawk looks like. 721 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 2: I do. 722 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: It's it's they're kind of brown. They they're sometimes called 723 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: chicken hawks. They don't actually prey on chickens, so that's 724 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: not that's a misnomer. But yeah, they they're just very 725 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: hawk looking hawk. 726 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: Okay, here's why I'm upset for the red tailed hawk 727 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 2: right now. They've got the same eyes as the eagles, 728 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: which we've just described as one of the key elements 729 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 2: of what makes the eagle look badass. We need to 730 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: put this on war vehicles, you know. I'm just saying, like, 731 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: it's got all of the same energy. It's a little smaller, 732 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but it's got that burly chick. You 733 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 2: can pay metals to this bird. Check it's so burly. Okay. 734 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings because I do want the red 735 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: tailed hawk to be more recognized, but also I'm a pacifist, 736 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: so using it, Like, Look, the problem is we have 737 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: the wrong symbol on our on our drones. 738 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: Right exactly. Yeah, put the red tail hawk on here. 739 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: It's the wrong species of birds America. 740 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 2: Listen, I vibe with it. This bird is actually kind 741 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 2: of cute. And you guys aren't know how I feel 742 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 2: about birds With this one. It looks together with it. Oh, 743 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 2: not like the craziness of a turkey, yeah, or the 744 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 2: absolute chaotic nature of an owl. Why are you turning 745 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 2: your head around to look at me? So you turn 746 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: your whole body with some respect. Okay, No, that's right. 747 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: I lied to you. I said there would be no 748 00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: birds in this. 749 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: We are right in the end. She's snuck it in there. Wow, 750 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 2: I learned something today. 751 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: Well onto this week's mystery animal. Sound the hint. This 752 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: hairy animal doesn't want his picnic on a rainy day. 753 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 2: That is a big baby. 754 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: Whoa. 755 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 2: It sounds like me that I get woken up from 756 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 2: a nap. I'm very upset. Why is it raining here? Okay, 757 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 2: it's some kind of bear. I feel confident in that lane. 758 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 2: It's harry and it doesn't want to get what afro 759 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 2: bear hit it? I did? 760 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: Is he friends with government eagles? 761 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 2: Their best They own all the war vehicles. 762 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: Add that one to the list of animals I wish existed. 763 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: Afro bear meats, can you imagine? 764 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 2: I can't? 765 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: And he's fabulous, wonderful, wonderful. Well, that is an incredible 766 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: guess and we will find out next time on Creature 767 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: Feature who is making that sound? If you out there 768 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: think you know who the mystery animal is this week, 769 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: write me an email at Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com. 770 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: You can also write questions to me and sometimes I 771 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: have listener questions episodes, or respond to your emails or 772 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: you know, send me pictures of your pets. Always love those. Yep. 773 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: I get a lot of cute animals in my inbox 774 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: and I love it, so Thank you guys so much 775 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: for listening. Joe, Well, thank you so much for coming 776 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: on the show. It's so lovely to see you in 777 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: person in three D. 778 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It was good 779 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 2: to see you too. And now I know when you 780 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 2: see a crab like spider, it's probably just an introvert 781 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 2: and it doesn't want to be near you as much 782 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: as you don't want to be near it. So I've 783 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 2: really I guess you take that inform home ever, text 784 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 2: additional spiders, which is an insane thing I never thought 785 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 2: I would do. Well. 786 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: Where can people find you? 787 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Will you guys known me? You can find me 788 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 2: all over the internet at du Monique. It's Joe l 789 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 2: E m O N I Q you well. 790 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thanks to Graham for doing 791 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: the audio on this episode. I'm usually flying solo abroad, 792 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: but I am so happy to pop into the studio 793 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: and thank you guys so much for listening. If you 794 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: are enjoying the show, you can leave a rating or 795 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: review and I read every single review and all the 796 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: ratings really do help the show. 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