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Speaker 1: joined with Wes Logan, a bass Master Elite. Also, I

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Speaker 2: Jack of all trades, but a ace of knowing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to have you in. You know, the

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Speaker 1: about live scope. Man, I tell you what you were right.

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Speaker 1: You and I had a good conversation yesterday on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like really hot and then it just

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was the conversation we had. We

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Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, well everybody understands now, but.

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Speaker 1: schedule that came out. Do you have any interest in

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I don't know if every

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Speaker 1: Had the pop up showers. That was the change. And

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Speaker 2: Change the heart it will.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you take you take a bowl of water,

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Speaker 1: And it fishes like a small pond because nobody really

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Speaker 1: And they could be in ten house they didn't, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: A lot of the misconception is you make it through

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Speaker 2: be further from the truth. Like it is. It's one

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Speaker 2: You're sit like you're there in those in those sports. Yes,

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the entry fee money, it's five

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Speaker 2: You can have we have you know, payments that we

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean basically, you know, you obviously want

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Speaker 2: But me personally, like, obviously I like to keep those relationships.

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Speaker 1: I do, but you probably use other baits outside of that.

434
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 1: You just know that those baits, if it works just

435
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,680
Speaker 1: as well, you'd rather use the bait that you sponsor.

436
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I mean the companies I work with, no

437
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,640
Speaker 2: like from a bait standpoint, like, they don't make every

438
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 2: single bait that I could ever use. But on the

439
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 2: opposite side of that is, if I'm using a different

440
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 2: companies baits, they don't want me, you know, blasting it everywhere,

441
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,879
Speaker 2: but they want me to use what I need to

442
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 2: use to be successful. But like you said in the opportunity,

443
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 2: if there's you know, one side by side, I would

444
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,119
Speaker 2: rather use the one that you know supporting me. And

445
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,360
Speaker 2: I'm supporting them, yes, yes, And going back on that,

446
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 2: That's why I tried to when I made it, I

447
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 2: reached out to the companies that I truly used, not

448
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 2: just looking for a dollar here or an extra thousand

449
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: dollars there. I mean, I'm with Zoom, I'm with arc,

450
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: I'm with Afcom, with something that's just goda God. So

451
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 2: that's the stuff I've used since I've been you know,

452
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 2: I was a kid.

453
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: Sunline is the best. I mean, I say it.

454
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 2: Just like I made it a point when I qualify

455
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 2: to you know, make the elites, and I knew I

456
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 2: need you have to have sponsors to make it. I'm like,

457
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to reach out to these companies that I use,

458
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 2: and I mean a lot some of the deals I

459
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,959
Speaker 2: got when I started wasn't even money or very little,

460
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 2: just because I believe in these products, and I mean

461
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 2: I felt like I could, you know, promote those well

462
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: enough to you know, move up in the company. So

463
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 2: chasing that extra dollar, Like if you get with a

464
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: good company and you stay with them two or three years,

465
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 2: and you know, somebody comes along like, hey, we'll give

466
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: you a thousand dollars more. I'm not going to tell

467
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 2: you what to do, because everybody has their own opinion,

468
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 2: but just kind of look at jumping ship like that.

469
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: I just I can't stress that enough to you know,

470
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: the younger generation. Don't be that guy. There's a name

471
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: for it, but I can't say it on the radio.

472
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: You're all good, Yeah, it's a podcast. You can say

473
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 1: whatever you want. So just just know, like, just know

474
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: that you can see whatever you want here, like it's

475
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: it's it's not radio rules for sure.

476
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: You just don't want to be jumping around pretty much,

477
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. I mean, because as big as

478
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: this industry looks, it's very small. Well everybody work by

479
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 2: it works for everybody. If somebody leaves this company over here,

480
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 2: a lot of times they get a job over here,

481
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: so you don't really want to burn any bridges. Sometimes

482
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: it is very necessary to burn those bridges, but you

483
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 2: know a lot of times you try not.

484
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: That's also not just a fishing thing, though, when you're

485
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: in business, when you get to a point where you're

486
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: working and you're working for the man, or you're in

487
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 1: an industry, every industry seems really big in it, but

488
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: when you get in it, it's tiny.

489
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is.

490
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: It's tiny.

491
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: You would know more experience on that. I just know

492
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,479
Speaker 2: this one, but I could see where it's just like

493
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: it could be. You know, your boss was over here

494
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: for a minute and you didn't like him, so y'all

495
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: got into it. Well, two weeks later you got a

496
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 2: job off or over here. But then you get that

497
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: job and then a month later he's the boss, and

498
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: it's like oh.

499
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: But a lot of that comes down to how you

500
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: position yourself with what you say about the brand you're representing. Absolutely,

501
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: if you go out there and you go I'm West

502
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: Logan and I love Sunlight, well, if Sunlight has a

503
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: bad batch of line for whatever reason and you end

504
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: up leaving them and you go to Berkeley or something

505
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: like that, If you went on and said, I love Berkeley.

506
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: Everybody like, yeah, but you just love Sunlight. If you

507
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: went on and said, I think Sunline has an amazing

508
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: line when it comes to Froggin, They've got some of

509
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: the best braid that's out there that makes you look

510
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: already like you're doing exactly what you said to Sunline.

511
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm promoting your brand. I'm doing it in a good

512
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: way for you, but I'm not saying that you're the

513
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever, because that puts you in a bad spy.

514
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: It puts them in a bad spot, and companies understand that.

515
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for sponsorships, do kind of well

516
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: West did just.

517
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: Be genuine about it. I mean, like, I mean, I

518
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: don't really know how else to say it. Just being

519
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: genuine because like I brought up the day of the

520
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: world today where everybody can see everything you do, Like

521
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: people don't forget what you say on social media for

522
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: the most part.

523
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: Is that kind of how you handle your social platforms

524
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: as it is. I know some guys they kind of

525
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: fake how they are on social media because they think

526
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: that's what people want to see.

527
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but people aren't doing and I think a lot

528
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: of guy you could get away with that before, like

529
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: the Fakeness, it comes out eventually you either get caught

530
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: in a lie. And especially the way our live coverages now,

531
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: when when you're the worst thing I've seen and I'm

532
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 2: not I don't know any names, I've just seen it

533
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: and not even like all the different platforms, a guy

534
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: be using something and straight up live about what it

535
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: is on camera and it's like sitting there you can

536
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: see its plain as day. It's like, dude, you just

537
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 2: straight up lied. Well the problem with that is you've

538
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: got twenty thousand people watching you. Well you're instantly viewed

539
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: as hey, I don't know if I can believe everything

540
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: he tells me. So like you can say you don't

541
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: have to say what it is, don't say it's something else. Yeah,

542
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing. Like if you're flipping grass like

543
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: oh I've been, you know, flipping this Z Crawl Junior,

544
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: and you you go to re rid one up and

545
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: it's a yeah, it's something else, and they're like wait

546
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: a minute, Like all you've got to say is, man,

547
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: is you know I'm flipping this you know, green pumpkin

548
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: creature bait in the in these mats or trees or

549
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: something like that. Straight up line man that that's just

550
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: not a good look for the whole industry. And I

551
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: mean it's it's it's not a.

552
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: Good look because there are people that you know. I mean,

553
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: I do this when I watch events. I will slow

554
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: down different things online and I'll pause and I'll look

555
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: into it.

556
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing it for, is to and to

557
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 2: be honest, to go if you want to go down

558
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: another rabbit hole. Us fishmen are making our job a

559
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: thousand times harder.

560
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: How so we're.

561
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: Teaching everybody how to come catch the fish. We're trying

562
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: to catch the mikeel living So.

563
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you navigate that where I

564
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: used to be? And I'm so happy that you you

565
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: just basically said that you don't. But uh, it used

566
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: to be that you wanted to keep so many secrets.

567
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I saw a lot of

568
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: the conversations that people were having about Live Scope is

569
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: the older generation they don't want to help anybody come up.

570
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: They don't want to have anybody get to that spot

571
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: because you got to spend time on the water to

572
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: find the spots that I had to find. And that's

573
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: how you're going to get there. There's no secrets anymore.

574
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: There is zero secrets and bad fishing anymore. And I think, man,

575
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. There's a lot of the forward

576
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: facing song aut ears or the fans are like, man,

577
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: it's so boring to what they're just looking down. They're

578
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: not saying anything. I think there's a little bit of

579
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: some secrets left there, like bait Wise and President Ain't.

580
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: Nobody really won't say anything like because you in the

581
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: back of your mind, you're like, all right, this is

582
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: somewhat of a new technique, the Ford deal. We might

583
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: can have some stuff to ourselves for a year or two.

584
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: You want to say as much as you can, but

585
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: on the back of your mind you're like, man, we've

586
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: got something a little bit to ourselves. Let's try and

587
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: keep it as long as we can. Because I mean,

588
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: back when Van dam and skied and like the early

589
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: years of the Elite series, Man, when you get a

590
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: forty five minute deal on ESPN, you didn't they didn't

591
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: have to show nothing. They just showed some fish catches

592
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: and then you'd get a magazine article two months later. Well,

593
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean there's so many there was so many secrets.

594
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 2: Then the fishing was easier.

595
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: Life scopes making you guys way more efficient though too.

596
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely it is.

597
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: It is your quality of cast when you're throwing growing

598
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: in a thirty five degree window exactly.

599
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I mean the famous line that everybody says, if you're

600
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: not scoping, you're hoping. I mean, that's that's the that's

601
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: the most honest thing ever. A lot of times you

602
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: were you were hoping that there was a fish by that,

603
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: you know, lay down, or that random log laying out

604
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: there or something. Now you just pan over there and

605
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: you're like, well, the right one there. But like before

606
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: you're like, well there might be one. Let me make

607
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: four or five pitches there. Well that's a minute in

608
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: a day. Will you just pan over there there? You

609
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: just go on.

610
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Tell you the crazy thing about live scopes not whether

611
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: or not you have it on the front of your boat.

612
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: The crazy thing about it is whether or not you

613
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: have the right settings.

614
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that you that you can see everything you're

615
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: looking at.

616
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: You could look at somebody's screen and go, I mean

617
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: I see it on these forums on social media. People

618
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: will see something on Hummingbird and they're like, how did

619
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: you get your screen that dialed in. And what I'm

620
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: noticing now more than ever was social media and just

621
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: the expansion of the Internet and people being able to

622
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: do research. Honestly, more people are willing to help out

623
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: now than they were ten fifteen years.

624
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: Yea. And I don't really know which I wasn't fishing then.

625
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't been around that long, and I

626
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: don't know what the reason for that is.

627
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

628
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good thing, I feel like.

629
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: But you know that was the case even at doc talk.

630
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: Yes.

631
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, you pull up to a ramp now and

632
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: somebody goes, hey, man, you're beating them up, and it's like, yeah, man,

633
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: I was throwing around. Ye people are actively telling you

634
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: because all you got to do is look at the

635
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: deck of their boat. Yeause, most guys aren't putting their

636
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: stuff away. And I mean I still fish with some guys.

637
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Where they put their boat in the water, there isn't

638
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: a rod on it.

639
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I fished a team tournament a

640
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: weekend ago at Newly and all my buddy are not

641
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: They're my really good buddies, but they won't pull their

642
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: rods out till they get where they're going.

643
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I think, are they doing that because they don't want

644
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: anybody else to see or they don't want you to see.

645
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean mainly the people that I know,

646
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: I mean, we're both going the same thing anyway, because

647
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: I mean we we kind of, I mean we talk

648
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: a lot. But and I know guys that you know

649
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: back in the day would pull out just random stuff,

650
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: like you know, just so people because they had people

651
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: looking at their boat. They would like lay different baits

652
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: in the bottom of the boat or tie something just

653
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: crazy on.

654
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, man, you're catching them on that.

655
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: I go by there and like it's gonna be a

656
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: like it's in you know, late April, and they're all

657
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 2: over the bat. You go by there and there's like

658
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: ten x days I on and like, you know, big floaters.

659
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, right, okay, And then.

660
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: They get to their spot, they shove that. Yeah, they

661
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: put all that in the left bend and then they

662
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: pull out all their good runs from that, right. I mean,

663
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so new to fishing. I started fishing four

664
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: years ago. I grew up on a great bass lake

665
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: in Virginia, Smith Mountain Lake.

666
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing fishing.

667
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: And I didn't fish when I was a kid. I

668
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: was on the water, and I'll never forget this. I

669
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: used to go to this bait and tackle shop every

670
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: week and I'd ask the guy, hey, man, what are

671
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: they catching them on? And he'd always pull out one

672
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: bait and say, oh, they're catching them on this. And

673
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: I remember I bought a crank bait. It was a

674
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: storm wigglewort and it was in that fire tiger piller

675
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: and he was like, they're catching them on this. I

676
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: still didn't know anybody that knew how to fish, so

677
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have anybody that could teach me how to fish.

678
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I had people who show me how to hunt. That's

679
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: why I got into hunting so much, but with fishing,

680
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody well. When I finally got into fishing,

681
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: i'd moved to Atlanta. I was fishing Lake Lanier almost exclusively.

682
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine said you need to come up

683
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: to Smith Mountain Lake because we were both from there

684
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: but living in Virginia or living in Atlanta. He was like,

685
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: let's go fish. I caught a forty pound striper on

686
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: a jerk bait and two feet of water and it

687
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: took me out eighty feet and I'm sitting there like

688
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: I turned around when I got this thing in the boat.

689
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I said, bro, we get

690
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: back to Atlanta. I'm buying everything. I bought an Evan

691
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Rude one fifty engine on the back of a stratus

692
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: from ninety nine eighteen foot. I signed up for every

693
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: tournament I knew, how Like if somebody was like, I

694
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: need a co angler, I'm like, I got you. I'm

695
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: in this tournament as long as you can help me

696
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: understand some stuff. So I went all in. Well, now

697
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: when I go fishing, man, I'm still trying to eat

698
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: up as much information as I can from people. And

699
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: when I see people faking the baits on the deck,

700
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: it makes me laugh more than anything.

701
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: It's a thing. But I mean, like like you said,

702
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: the you got bit by that bug, when you got

703
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: when you caught that first shot. I mean, that's and

704
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: that's why we all do it. And the one great

705
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: thing about the fishing or the you know, bass fishing

706
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: as a sport or fishing in general, it's never the

707
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 2: same every day. Like I think that's what makes us

708
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: keep going back. Like me, you want to go out there,

709
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: you want to go out there. The older guys like,

710
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: it's never the same, hardly ever. I mean, you've always

711
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: got some of the weather change and the water change,

712
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: and you know, the moon phase. It's it's always something different.

713
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: So it's always you're always learning. And in other sports

714
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: you're obviously always learning. But I mean, you get to

715
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: a point where hitting a baseball is hitting a baseball,

716
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: or somebody's throwing it to you. They're throwing it to you.

717
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Hey, I think anything catches up with technology, you know,

718
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: the life scope conversation. I thought about this the other

719
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: day because I went to a high school football game.

720
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: When I played high school football, we didn't have TV

721
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: monitors on the sideline, oh god, where we could go

722
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: and replay the play that just happened and break it down.

723
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Wait until we went to film.

724
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah on Sunday afternoon.

725
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Coach who was probably coming in drunk from absolutely and

726
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: easily you missed your seven. You can't tackle. But yeah,

727
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: these kids now are getting instruction right there, right the play. Yeah,

728
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: And that's the same argument that I have with Live Scope.

729
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: Livescope is just giving you an actual readout about what's happening.

730
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: It makes you be able to tune your baits a

731
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: little better. They're not going for this right now, they're

732
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: not going for that right now. Let me try this.

733
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: They bit it. I'm gonna stick with that.

734
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely no, it's that instant. I wouldn't call it

735
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: gratification because I feel like that's more like social media,

736
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: like the TikTok deal, like you know, you get it

737
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: right then. But I mean it's still the same concept,

738
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: just a different way to look at it. But yeah,

739
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean technolo. I mean I graduated my senior year

740
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: was in twenty twelve. We didn't have none that stuff.

741
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: I mean that was eleven years ago. I mean that's

742
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: just a year ten years after me, right, I mean

743
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: like we would go to film on Sunday afternoon and

744
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: your coach be yelling at you because that's the first

745
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: time you saw what halfen and instead of like that instant, the.

746
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: Last generation of me and all of a sudden, you

747
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: see these new kids and you're like, these kids got

748
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: it so weak man.

749
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: We barely had an iPhone. I got like an iPhone

750
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: three my senior year, and I'm like, and it was

751
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: like the best thing ever.

752
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: Well that's why now with fishing in the technology just

753
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: and it's not even just live Scope. I can go online,

754
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: I can pull them navi Onyx, I can look at

755
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: their mapping system. Yeah, I can look at any lake

756
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I want in the world, and I can see the

757
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: tobiography line, yeah instantly, you.

758
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Know, instead of pulling out that paper map. I've still

759
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: got paper maps at the house and a bend just

760
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: and sometimes I look at them just if I'm curious

761
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: of how accurate, you know. Yeah, and I'm not gonna

762
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: lie to you. Those paper maps were pretty close. Like

763
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: they weren't like, you know, the real tight contours, like

764
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: the little bitty stuff, but you know, like they were

765
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: they got you real close. And I think fishing was

766
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: a little bit easier back then because the fish weren't

767
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: is pressured, they didn't get caught as much. So when

768
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: you got around, you know, like close to a group

769
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: of fish, you would start catching them instead of you know,

770
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: you'd have to roll up there and scan around like

771
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: we do now on livescop and they're not I saw

772
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: a podcast the other day for some people that were

773
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: talking about what they thought liscope had done, and like

774
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: the fishing pressure is the fish are still relating to

775
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: the obvious stuff. But they're not sitting like exactly where

776
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: they should be because every time they roll up there,

777
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: like a three or four of them roll up, or

778
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: when of them gets caught like almost instantly, so.

779
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: They're like, what happened to Frank? He was just here?

780
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like and about five times of rolling up

781
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: there and Frank and Frank Junior gets gone. Every time

782
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: they're like, let's swim over here one hundred yards and try,

783
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: and like, we'll float over here and when we get

784
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: real hungry, we'll run up the real quick and then

785
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: run off.

786
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: The behavior of Basso is so interesting, especially with all

787
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: that conversation, because you know they've done studies where they

788
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: tag a bass and that bass will find itself back

789
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: on that tree. Well you caught it on six months later.

790
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: So if he don't get caught before he gets there,

791
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: that's the thing.

792
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: But there's still there's still dumb fish, right they are,

793
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: But there they learn little things along the way and

794
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: they're able to figure stuff out, but they ultimately will

795
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: whatever environment they're at.

796
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: Yes now, and it's the sig I mean, we're dealing

797
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: with a creature that's got a brain. The size of them,

798
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, the end of your thumb. I mean, you know,

799
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: the majority of them. And I don't think they're like

800
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: they know they're getting caught by bass fishermen. They're just

801
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: doing it for more like of a survival situation. Like

802
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: I think that's more of it. People like man then

803
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: fish don't know that they're you know that you're catching

804
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: them on a red worm. I'm like, well, no, he

805
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: probably don't. But eventually he sees ten thousand red worms

806
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: and he gets jerked out of the water every time

807
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: he goes near one. He's gonna know to kind of

808
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna hold off on that.

809
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: When it comes to that. Do you set the hook

810
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: in practice?

811
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: Not very much so.

812
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: Any start practice on what Monday, Sunday.

813
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Monday, Monday, Tuesday, and then we you know, they say

814
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: we have Wednesday a full day, but you mean you're

815
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: off by three or four o'clock.

816
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: Most so on Monday, do you go out and set

817
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: the hook just to see what you're dealing with.

818
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: A lot of time, I'll start practice with a hook

819
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: some of the time, depending on where we're at.

820
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: For the most what do you do? Are you the

821
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: type of guy where you go out with a bait

822
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: with no barb or no hook, or do you go

823
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: out out there and you take your troubles and you

824
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: fold them under to keep the same weight.

825
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: It just kind of depends. Like on a on a

826
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: treble hook bake, I do roll mine because I don't

827
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: like taking the hooks off because you know, the bait

828
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: was designed to have the hooks on it lots. I'm

829
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: a top water you can take it off like a

830
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, a walking bit or something. But like plastic wise,

831
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 2: when I'm practicing, after I kind of if I find

832
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: an area, I know I'm gonna fish, but I want

833
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: to kind of expand. Like let's say I go in

834
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: an area and you know, the first two times I

835
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: set the hook, it's two three pounders, and the three

836
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: pounds are really good on there that I mean within

837
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: if it's within two hours of practice, I'm cutting my

838
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: hook off and I'm gonna, you know, fish everywhere I

839
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: can around that area because that's where I kind of

840
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: want to stay at.

841
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Well.

842
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to catch every I don't want to

843
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: go a mile over here and catch one, then a

844
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: mile over here and catch one because you just wasted

845
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: because you were going to fish there anyway, But I

846
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: like having like being confident I got three bites down

847
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: that stretch. I got four bites down that stretch, instead

848
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: of fishing new I've been I've been bad about before

849
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: going in an area getting two bytes and being like, well,

850
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: I'll just fish here in the tournament and leave completely,

851
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: instead of dissecting this area and knowing where the jew

852
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: stretches are per se.

853
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: The benefit of losing the hooks is that you can

854
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: expand your area and see how many fish and not

855
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: actually yes, compared to setting the hook and then worrying like,

856
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: oh I can't catch anymore?

857
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: Correct, And I mean to be honest, man, how many

858
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: fish do we shake off that we probably still catch?

859
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: Probably not very many. But then it becomes a mental

860
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: game a lot of the time, because you may have

861
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: shook that one off and at least you get to

862
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: go back through there, and you're gonna fish really hard.

863
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: See if you can get that fit. Man, if you

864
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: go through there and hook a four pounder like it,

865
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: just mentally, I'm like, well, I know I'm not gonna

866
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: catch that one, and you still may catch it, but

867
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: like your odds are way down.

868
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I think one of the problems that I've

869
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: had in practice is I'll go because I've heard everybody

870
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: else's philosophy, so then they stick in my head and

871
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: hearing this philosophy is actually making a lot of sense

872
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: to me now, and I'll probably change my game plan

873
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: going in. But how I do it? But I used

874
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: to go in and I'd stick one fish and I'd

875
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, there's fish that or biting here, but

876
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't breaking down enough of that area. That's how

877
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: you go to Florida. You catch one fish. I'm always

878
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: extending my area one hundred and two hundred yards and

879
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: just staying kind of in that because they're so school.

880
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And like I said that, that

881
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: goes to like where you're fishing, what caliber fish you're

882
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: fishing around, Like you knowing in Florida or me knowing

883
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: as well. Once you get an area, you get one

884
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: or two bikes and you better not let you better

885
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: not run around because that's where you gonna need to stay.

886
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: But I mean they're certain like instance, like around here

887
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: fishing like the and it kind of depends on on

888
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: the southeast, if you have a pattern lake going on,

889
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: or if it's an area. I mean, it's kind of

890
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: the same deal, like Gunnersville is in Alabama, but it's

891
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: an area lake. You don't run around gunners Will trying

892
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: to run a pattern. I've tried it my whole life.

893
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: It don't work.

894
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: So you fish Gunnersville fish Florida.

895
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: I fish gunners Will completely different than I do.

896
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Or continue to go to a lanear and you would

897
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: fish out as a pattern.

898
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: You could run it as a pattern because you're.

899
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: Running your brush piles, you run rocky points or points, ditches.

900
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: Anything like that.

901
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: Smith Lake to do that.

902
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Smith is a very good pattern lake. And maybe it's.

903
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: Because of the beat selection with the herring compared to

904
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: like the threadfin shad.

905
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: Probably and it's probably has a lot to do with

906
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: like the cover that they have, Like you know, Gunners's

907
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: got the grass, So I mean it kind of does

908
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: relate to that Florida style fish where they'll get into

909
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: a grass clump or this area of grass that but.

910
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: It's still a Tennessee River system.

911
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: It is. It is, but it there's no place on

912
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: the Tennessee River that has grass like like gunners Will.

913
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it is you know, slap load. That's why

914
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: it's the best, you know, one of the best lakes

915
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: in the world.

916
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: Still, I always laugh when people are like, well, hell,

917
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: if you're fishing the Tennessee River, just throw what you

918
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: would throw on the Tennessee River lakes. And it's like,

919
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: it's almost all of them are exactly different.

920
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, they are. They all have their little

921
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: same with the CUSA. Yeah, they have their similar just

922
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: like the Cusa. They all have their similarities, but they're

923
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: completely different. Like when we'll want it Lay you know,

924
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: I won the first or the last, the first elite,

925
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, with Neeli Henry, I want it, And then

926
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: leading up to that tournament, everybody's like, oh man, you're

927
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: you know, you're a shoe in. I'm like, and dude, yeah,

928
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: it's two lakes down, but it is not even close

929
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: to the sign.

930
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: That's because Logan is that middle sibling.

931
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: Yes, screws up.

932
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and it's yeah, Logan is like half

933
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: of Logan is like Neey, and then the other half

934
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: of Logan is like, I don't even know, so like

935
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 3: it's not like Lay no, no, it is completely different.

936
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: And that's how different that lake is between the other two,

937
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Like Laying or Lay and Neeley, Like, they're all different,

938
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: and they all have Coach River spots and they all

939
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: have a little bit of grass, but they just set

940
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: up different and it's crazy how different they are.

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Speaker 1: This has been lines and times. My name Spencer Greaves.

942
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: That's West Logan. If you want to download more episodes

943
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