1
00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,960
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September twenty ninth, and

2
00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,480
Speaker 1: it appears there was a tragedy before the tragedy we

3
00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,600
Speaker 1: saw this weekend in North Carolina, a mass shooting that

4
00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,520
Speaker 1: left several people dead. But now we're learning more about

5
00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,040
Speaker 1: the shooter and it sounds as if a lot of

6
00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,160
Speaker 1: people might have failed this guy. And with that, welcome

7
00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,040
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. I don't know

8
00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,199
Speaker 1: if that's going too far this early ropes and saying that,

9
00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,280
Speaker 1: but a story is developing of a guy who needed help,

10
00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of people knew needed help, and now

11
00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:40,760
Speaker 1: here we are.

12
00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,800
Speaker 2: Look, we don't normally, and for very serious and specific reasons,

13
00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,479
Speaker 2: don't talk much about the gunman or the shooters when

14
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 2: you have mass tragedies, because on principle, you don't want

15
00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,800
Speaker 2: to elevate or somehow make this terrible act the person

16
00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,760
Speaker 2: who committed it elevated to a way where somehow a

17
00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,319
Speaker 2: copycat would want that kind of attention or feel like

18
00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,399
Speaker 2: they've gained some sort of notoriety. But in this specific case,

19
00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,440
Speaker 2: we are talking about a highly decorated marine who gave

20
00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 2: truly his life, nearly his life for his country. When

21
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 2: you actually hear what happened to him while he was

22
00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,280
Speaker 2: fighting for our country in operation of Rocky Freedom.

23
00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,800
Speaker 1: You will.

24
00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,840
Speaker 2: Be amazed at what this young man endured, what he

25
00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 2: came through, and then the disabilities that he was left

26
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,920
Speaker 2: with were not We didn't take care of our own.

27
00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,400
Speaker 2: We did not protect this young man from himself when

28
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:55,400
Speaker 2: he incurred life threatening, catastrophic injuries in war. We didn't

29
00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,280
Speaker 2: make sure he was okay when he got back. And

30
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 2: that is so sad. And that's why this story is it,

31
00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960
Speaker 2: like you said, a tragedy compounding another tragedy.

32
00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,480
Speaker 1: It's it's bizarre oftentimes that a picture starts to develop

33
00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,440
Speaker 1: this quickly right after a shooting like this. And it

34
00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,280
Speaker 1: is bizarre because now included in this bizarre story is

35
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,400
Speaker 1: him side by side on a red carpet with a

36
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,359
Speaker 1: country music star. Yeah right, Kelly Pickler.

37
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,200
Speaker 2: Kelly Pickler, American idol of American idol fan.

38
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,520
Speaker 1: Okay, this part of the story comes up. Now, what

39
00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,440
Speaker 1: is he doing there? Why is he there? That kind

40
00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,000
Speaker 1: of quite frankly adds to who he was, how highly

41
00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,639
Speaker 1: regarded he was. We're going to rejoy his list of vocolade.

42
00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,560
Speaker 1: It was crazy and we'll get into why he was

43
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,239
Speaker 1: next to Kelly Pickler, but that added to this story

44
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,360
Speaker 1: Robes as we see a guy who for all intents

45
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,799
Speaker 1: and purposes, was on a particular path in life, went

46
00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,640
Speaker 1: to war and somebody forgot about him. Yeah, I mean somebody.

47
00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,840
Speaker 1: This is and we're talking about a guy who had

48
00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:07,119
Speaker 1: a history of mental health issues according to authorities well documented.

49
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,040
Speaker 2: And his family too. His mother absolutely weighed in on

50
00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,000
Speaker 2: it as well.

51
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,919
Speaker 1: And essentially was screaming, this dude needs help, my son

52
00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,640
Speaker 1: needs help. Now we're not This is not a time

53
00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,560
Speaker 1: obviously to be pointing fingers. The blame goes to the shooter.

54
00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,760
Speaker 1: He pulled the trigger, he did what he did. But

55
00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,320
Speaker 1: it's difficult. This is a tough one, Roles, because we

56
00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760
Speaker 1: always we want to look he did this very evil

57
00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,920
Speaker 1: thing as the evil person. That's the end of the story.

58
00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,600
Speaker 1: This is just the beginning of the story.

59
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,200
Speaker 2: Well, we're always looking for the why, and we almost

60
00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,160
Speaker 2: never get it. In these types of shootings, these mass shootings,

61
00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,960
Speaker 2: they're unexplained, they're puzzling. This one, we actually can connect

62
00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,520
Speaker 2: the dots, it seems with you know, and this is

63
00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,680
Speaker 2: pretty This is within hours of this tragedy happening but

64
00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,080
Speaker 2: we can already see what happened and what, more importantly

65
00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,800
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and how we can prevent That's what this

66
00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,880
Speaker 2: is all about, right, We want to prevent things like

67
00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,360
Speaker 2: this from happening again. And there were warning signs and

68
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,600
Speaker 2: there were massive holes in our healthcare system that let

69
00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,480
Speaker 2: down this at the time, young man, which ultimately led

70
00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,040
Speaker 2: to this tragedy. A lot of people could clearly connect

71
00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,839
Speaker 2: those dots. So we're talking about just to get you

72
00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,320
Speaker 2: up to speed. I'm sure you're aware of what happened,

73
00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,960
Speaker 2: but we're talking about forty year old Nigel Edge. And

74
00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,160
Speaker 2: he's changed his name recently, but it all speaks to

75
00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,240
Speaker 2: his mental health issues because he was trying to distance

76
00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,520
Speaker 2: himself from his family because he was paranoid. He will

77
00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,039
Speaker 2: get into all of his mental health issues. But he

78
00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,360
Speaker 2: was shot in the head in the line of duty

79
00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,880
Speaker 2: while serving our country and then he turned around and

80
00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,479
Speaker 2: shot three people in the head.

81
00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,279
Speaker 1: That was a detail. Yeah, that was a detail we

82
00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,160
Speaker 1: got from his court appearance today. He did make a

83
00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,960
Speaker 1: first court appearance, and yeah, that was They said all

84
00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,479
Speaker 1: the victims were in the head. So we had three

85
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,080
Speaker 1: dead and eight injured in the incidents, which was bizarre

86
00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 1: and also in that he opened fire on them from

87
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,919
Speaker 1: a boat. So he essentially pulled up to one of

88
00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,880
Speaker 1: those many people who've been to these types of places.

89
00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,760
Speaker 1: They're right there on the water. People are sitting out

90
00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,000
Speaker 1: at night and enjoying music. It's a good time. People

91
00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,800
Speaker 1: can pull up their boats and hop out and they

92
00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,200
Speaker 1: go to dinner and whatnot. And he pulled up in

93
00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,600
Speaker 1: a boat and fires from the boat and what authorities

94
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,480
Speaker 1: called a highly premeditated attack. This is in Southport, North Carolina. Ropes.

95
00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,280
Speaker 1: This is an area you know, well, you said, this

96
00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,400
Speaker 1: is a gorgeous area and what thirty or so miles

97
00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,240
Speaker 1: outside of Wilmington.

98
00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,120
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a coastal, beautiful North Carolina town, picturesque

99
00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,039
Speaker 2: and authorities say the people who were shot were mostly tourists.

100
00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 2: These weren't locals. These were people who came to the area.

101
00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful Saturday night. And actually they believe

102
00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,039
Speaker 2: now from what they've gathered, he actually intended on committing

103
00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,000
Speaker 2: this violence on Friday night, because they have witnesses and

104
00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,800
Speaker 2: surveillance putting him in the exact same area on his

105
00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,480
Speaker 2: boat with the lights off on Friday when another boat

106
00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,520
Speaker 2: came by he turned his lights on, they believe decided

107
00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,039
Speaker 2: to wait until the next day. But it was Saturday night,

108
00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,000
Speaker 2: around nine thirty at night. People were outdoor on this

109
00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,799
Speaker 2: deck listening to a live band, live music on the water,

110
00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,720
Speaker 2: and he was there with a automatic rifle a scope.

111
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,839
Speaker 2: And he is a trained sniper. That was his job

112
00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,480
Speaker 2: as a marine. He was a sniper who was trained

113
00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,799
Speaker 2: to kill, and so when he started firing, he didn't

114
00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,799
Speaker 2: just indiscriminately. It looks as though he pointed and aimed

115
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,200
Speaker 2: at these poor victims' heads. And that is what the

116
00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,520
Speaker 2: prosecutor said today in court. They are considering the death

117
00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:54,640
Speaker 2: penalty given the severity of his crime and the impact

118
00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,880
Speaker 2: it's had. But the motive is still under investigation. But

119
00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,760
Speaker 2: when we get into his what he's been doing over

120
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,320
Speaker 2: the last decade or so, it'll become clear that there

121
00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,240
Speaker 2: might not be a motive. But we can understand how

122
00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,600
Speaker 2: possibly this happened because of where he was mentally.

123
00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 1: He had grievances clearly with his parents, with the government,

124
00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,239
Speaker 1: with the hospital, with the police, with all kinds of folks.

125
00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,080
Speaker 1: But he was in court today, made an appearance this afternoon.

126
00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,000
Speaker 1: He's charged with three counts of murder, five counts of

127
00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,440
Speaker 1: attempted murder. They do expect to add charges as well.

128
00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,120
Speaker 1: Now what else, Yeah, actually you had you had the

129
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,800
Speaker 1: notes there? Anything else when needs be pointing out from court?

130
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,440
Speaker 2: Well, the big thing was that prosecutors told the victims

131
00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,960
Speaker 2: told the court excuse me, that the victims were shot

132
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 2: on the head. But the prosecutors were very quick to

133
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,160
Speaker 2: point out that it was disturbing. They said, the precision

134
00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,080
Speaker 2: of the violence. Oh wow, they actually made that point.

135
00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,840
Speaker 2: But again, he's a trained sniper, so that actually shouldn't

136
00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,600
Speaker 2: be that surprising any us. They talked about how they

137
00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800
Speaker 2: do believe he scoped out at the released the scene

138
00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,560
Speaker 2: the night before, but they do suggest that maybe he

139
00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,840
Speaker 2: intended on committing his act on Friday versus Saturday. But

140
00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,360
Speaker 2: when they searched his home he owns he has a home,

141
00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 2: a boat, and a vehicle. They said they found multiple firearms.

142
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,559
Speaker 2: They did not say whether or not any of those

143
00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 2: were the firearms used in the attack, but they did

144
00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,760
Speaker 2: say he had multiple firearms. Now, the reporters who were

145
00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,400
Speaker 2: able to witness the hearing, he did appear via zoom

146
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:32,280
Speaker 2: from his jail cell, they say he was emotionless, that

147
00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 2: he remained silent during the hearing. He had requested a

148
00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,800
Speaker 2: court appointed attorney, and there's going to be another hearing

149
00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,120
Speaker 2: next month, October thirteenth, I believe. And it was quick

150
00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,120
Speaker 2: and to the point, but we did get an idea

151
00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,920
Speaker 2: of where the prosecutors are in this and they do

152
00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,960
Speaker 2: believe they will possibly seek the death penalty.

153
00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So this was Nigel Edge is what he goes

154
00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600
Speaker 1: by now, But a couple of years ago he changed

155
00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,320
Speaker 1: his name from Sean William deba voice now that was

156
00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,080
Speaker 1: his name ancient in twenty twenty three. The reason he

157
00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,959
Speaker 1: gave at the time for wanting to change his name

158
00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,640
Speaker 1: was that he thought there have been a lot and

159
00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm quoting here, there have been a lot of events

160
00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,000
Speaker 1: in my life that I don't understand. Therefore, I do

161
00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,119
Speaker 1: not trust my family and I would feel more comfortable

162
00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,720
Speaker 1: starting my life in a new path with a new name.

163
00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,280
Speaker 1: That is just the start of a lot of bizarre

164
00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,840
Speaker 1: things we're kind of finding out about his background. What's

165
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160
Speaker 1: not bizarre to hear this Robes a marine from two

166
00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,240
Speaker 1: thousand and three to two thousand and nine, deployed Operation

167
00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,040
Speaker 1: a Rocky Freedom twice two thousand and five, two thousand

168
00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:44,640
Speaker 1: and six. His list of awards, ribbons, and accolades is

169
00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,440
Speaker 1: hero stuff.

170
00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,600
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. So he these were his awards. I mean,

171
00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,720
Speaker 2: these are the highest honors. When we say a highly

172
00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,160
Speaker 2: decorated marine. This is about as highly decorated as you

173
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,760
Speaker 2: can get. He had a purple heart. He received the

174
00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,640
Speaker 2: Marine Corps Good c Conduct Medal, Combat Action Ribbon for

175
00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,120
Speaker 2: service in Iraq see Service Deployment Ribbon, two Bronze Stars,

176
00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,920
Speaker 2: a Humanitarian Service Medal, a National Defense Service Medal, and more.

177
00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on. He was

178
00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,439
Speaker 2: it appears to be a model, exemplary marine.

179
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,360
Speaker 1: And he was injured, right, so there's still we don't

180
00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,040
Speaker 1: have all the details about exactly what happened to him,

181
00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,720
Speaker 1: but he was injured pretty severely. It appears during his service.

182
00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,959
Speaker 1: Now he went on. Now he stayed in the area.

183
00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,640
Speaker 1: What was the name of the town, I don't have

184
00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,079
Speaker 1: it in front of him. Southward, but that was another

185
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,480
Speaker 1: town he was from. But they said he had been

186
00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,680
Speaker 1: in the area for several years and in that time.

187
00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,079
Speaker 1: In the past several years, he has been filing lawsuit

188
00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,320
Speaker 1: after lawsuit after lawsuit against just about everybody and to

189
00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 1: the point where the judge had to issue in order

190
00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,320
Speaker 1: to get him to stop filing lawsuit. Correct, it got

191
00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,000
Speaker 1: that kind of bad. To give you an idea. He

192
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,560
Speaker 1: has sued police departments, hospitals, a church, all for various

193
00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,400
Speaker 1: and bizarre sounding reasons.

194
00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,240
Speaker 2: Bro Yes in the church he sued back in May,

195
00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160
Speaker 2: he accused the church of trying to make him commit

196
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 2: suicide because quote, he is not lgb QT or a pedophile,

197
00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,920
Speaker 2: so he got it a little mixed up that acronym.

198
00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,880
Speaker 2: But that is bizarre, obviously. And then when he made

199
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,120
Speaker 2: the claim against his parents, including that they falsified a

200
00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,199
Speaker 2: birth certificate for a feral child, his mother in response,

201
00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,360
Speaker 2: this is all in court documents, you can read it.

202
00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,120
Speaker 2: This is her quote. Plaintiff suffers from war injuries, and

203
00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,760
Speaker 2: he suffers from delusions and PTSD. The VA needs to

204
00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,160
Speaker 2: take care of him with three exclamation points. That is

205
00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,559
Speaker 2: from his mother, Sondra, in response to the lawsuit one

206
00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,360
Speaker 2: of the lawsuits he filed against them and his own parents.

207
00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,320
Speaker 1: You know what we didn't mention as well, the severity

208
00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,800
Speaker 1: of his injuries we were talking about. Came back and

209
00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,080
Speaker 1: was told he was not going to walk. He switched

210
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,120
Speaker 1: hospitals and stuck at it and was ended up, yes,

211
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,320
Speaker 1: walking again, but he was told he wouldn't walk again.

212
00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,560
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. There was a news story about him.

213
00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,079
Speaker 2: I mean, this was a kid who was I say

214
00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,800
Speaker 2: a kid. He's forty years old now, but this was

215
00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 2: a man who will get into all of the things

216
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,840
Speaker 2: he did when he came back. But he was a

217
00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,480
Speaker 2: news story.

218
00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:23,360
Speaker 1: He was a big deal.

219
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,840
Speaker 2: So the Wilmington Star News described him as a marine

220
00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,640
Speaker 2: sniper who'd been left for dead after being shot four times,

221
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880
Speaker 2: including in the head, during a raid on a warehouse

222
00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,480
Speaker 2: in a rock. This happened in May of two thousand

223
00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280
Speaker 2: and six, and they were the story that they were

224
00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,920
Speaker 2: doing about and he was trying to raise money to

225
00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,600
Speaker 2: start a com commercial fishing business, so you know, he

226
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,600
Speaker 2: was trying to get his life back together. But they

227
00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,640
Speaker 2: said he was shot in the head and the shoulder

228
00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,400
Speaker 2: and the hip and in the ankle. I believe, And yes,

229
00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,680
Speaker 2: he was wheelchair bound and said he would never walk again.

230
00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,880
Speaker 2: But he walked again with a cane, and he went

231
00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,960
Speaker 2: through enough physical therapy that he was able to overcome

232
00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,960
Speaker 2: all of those injuries. But what he it seems, was

233
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,040
Speaker 2: not able to overcome was the traumatic brain injury that

234
00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,880
Speaker 2: he suffered when he was shot in the head.

235
00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,360
Speaker 1: And they all, I say they all, but certainly the

236
00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,240
Speaker 1: authorities say he didn't have really much of a police

237
00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,200
Speaker 1: record of any kind of him. But they were aware

238
00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,679
Speaker 1: he had mental health issues. Severe mental health issues, is

239
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160
Speaker 1: what they said. The lawsuits that he was piling up.

240
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned the church he claimed a church was trying

241
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,000
Speaker 1: to murder him by poisoning, and another lawsuit he claimed

242
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,600
Speaker 1: the hospital tried to murder him after they found out

243
00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,040
Speaker 1: he had quote survived a hate crime by the LGBTQ

244
00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,480
Speaker 1: white supremacists. I mean, just what is going on with

245
00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,319
Speaker 1: this guy? But he was. It just kept coming in

246
00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,720
Speaker 1: lawsuit and lawsuit and lawsuits, so they had to cut

247
00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,920
Speaker 1: him off from having the privilege to do so.

248
00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,360
Speaker 2: Look, and my question is they're cutting him off from

249
00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,720
Speaker 2: filing lawsuits. They're recognizing a very detailed pattern of mental health.

250
00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,160
Speaker 2: He obviously has a traumatic brain injury that you can

251
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,080
Speaker 2: clearly point to. How in the hell I didn't think

252
00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:12,400
Speaker 2: someone with that documented mental health issues would be allowed

253
00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,880
Speaker 2: to have a gun, let alone multiple firearms, and knowing

254
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,959
Speaker 2: that he was a sniper, knowing that he was trained

255
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,920
Speaker 2: at his weapons. I know people didn't believe he was

256
00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 2: actually going to turn to violence, but if someone has

257
00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,400
Speaker 2: these delusions that someone's trying to kill him or people

258
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,920
Speaker 2: are coming after him, that's paranoia. That wouldn't be a

259
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,160
Speaker 2: big stretch to say maybe this person shouldn't have access

260
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,520
Speaker 2: to a gun or multiple guns.

261
00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything on that yet where he got it,

262
00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,120
Speaker 1: if he legally acquired, And also haven't seen rope They

263
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,320
Speaker 1: talking about mental health. Was he ever documented in such

264
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,640
Speaker 1: a way that would have prevented him from buying a weapon.

265
00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,120
Speaker 1: These things, in these questions need to be answered. The

266
00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,120
Speaker 1: victims are the ones yes today, and they're families who

267
00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,960
Speaker 1: matter MO And we don't know the victims' names yet

268
00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,440
Speaker 1: their identities, but we'll talk about them when we find

269
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,320
Speaker 1: them out. But it is in this case, in particular

270
00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,080
Speaker 1: robes so important that we do I have to talk

271
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,640
Speaker 1: about the shooter today, the alleged shooter today, and the

272
00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,160
Speaker 1: background of this person, because those families are gonna want

273
00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,120
Speaker 1: to know why, and if they don't get a good

274
00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,320
Speaker 1: enough answer from the alleged shooter, they're gonna go Okay,

275
00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,040
Speaker 1: then why did the VA not look at him? Why

276
00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,040
Speaker 1: didn't they They're gonna want to know an answer that

277
00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe he can't give them, but they're gonna want to

278
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,720
Speaker 1: know that before that, well, who was it who was

279
00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 1: taking care of this guy, keeping an eye on this guy,

280
00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 1: making sure he got the help he needed it, Because

281
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 1: it seems so obvious this wasn't. Oh, he was such

282
00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 1: a nice guy, kind of like it was documented. It

283
00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 1: was for years, it sounds.

284
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,960
Speaker 2: Like, yes, and his injuries were well documented as well.

285
00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this young man at the time suffered greatly

286
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,160
Speaker 2: and now so many families are suffering because he was

287
00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,000
Speaker 2: literally twisting in the wind.

288
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,720
Speaker 1: Ah. Well, folks, he actually published a book. He self

289
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:17,240
Speaker 1: published a book. The name of it Headshot, Betrayal of

290
00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,240
Speaker 1: a Nation. Stay here, you'll want to hear what this

291
00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,680
Speaker 1: book is about.

292
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,760
Speaker 2: Continuing now on this episode of Amy and TJ, we

293
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,160
Speaker 2: are talking about the suspect Nigel Edge, forty years old,

294
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,000
Speaker 2: former marine, a highly decorated marine who is now charged

295
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000
Speaker 2: with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted

296
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,360
Speaker 2: murder after he opened fire while folks were enjoying a

297
00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:58,440
Speaker 2: beautiful night, a beautiful Saturday night at a water beautiful

298
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,240
Speaker 2: restaurant right on the water in North Carolina, enjoying their

299
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,760
Speaker 2: night nine thirty pm from a boat. He had an

300
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,400
Speaker 2: assault rifle, he had a scope. He shot his victims

301
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,199
Speaker 2: in the head, And of course everyone wants to know why,

302
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,119
Speaker 2: how did this happen? It's always the question we have.

303
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,680
Speaker 2: There is never a good answer to explain away something

304
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,679
Speaker 2: of this magnitude. But he was in court today. We

305
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,439
Speaker 2: heard a little bit about what prosecutors are going to

306
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520
Speaker 2: be doing next, and it's likely they will seek the

307
00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,600
Speaker 2: death penalty against him. But we're also learning so much

308
00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,439
Speaker 2: about this former marine who had a bright career, was

309
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,400
Speaker 2: a he had the highest honors of marine could get

310
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,479
Speaker 2: after serving his country, and yet here we are today

311
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 2: with him charged with heinous crimes. And to make things

312
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,879
Speaker 2: even more bizarre, pictures are surfacing and we can go

313
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,840
Speaker 2: back and look even on social media. He ended up

314
00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,359
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve Kelly Pickler American idol is Kelly Pickler.

315
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 2: You know where she's from, North Carolina. Big star around

316
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,200
Speaker 2: the country, but certainly in that state. In North Carolina.

317
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,600
Speaker 2: He ended up escorting her to the CMA Awards. Correct

318
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,359
Speaker 2: back in twenty twelve. CMTSMT sorry, CMT sorry.

319
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,359
Speaker 1: I get them coming Yeah, he ended up, as the

320
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 1: story went at the time, he had met her somewhere

321
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,439
Speaker 1: and just invited her to a charity event. She couldn't

322
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,439
Speaker 1: attend that because the schedule and followed up, and he

323
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,320
Speaker 1: escorted her that night and was her date. And she

324
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,720
Speaker 1: was married at the times. It wasn't like they were dating,

325
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,080
Speaker 1: if you will, but it was a nice gesture. She

326
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040
Speaker 1: thought enough of them. He impressed her enough. He had

327
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,200
Speaker 1: his service dog with him on the red carpet, even

328
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280
Speaker 1: rusty that night. So those pictures are out there, and

329
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,320
Speaker 1: that's the guy we're talking about, Folks, when you go

330
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 1: look up those pictures, that's the guy accused of gunning

331
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 1: down folks who were sitting outside enjoying drinks and listening

332
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 1: to music.

333
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks like somebody who you would see and

334
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 2: say thank you for your service, sir, somebody who you

335
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,199
Speaker 2: would show deep respect to, and certainly never expect this

336
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of violence or for him to do these heinous

337
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 2: things that police say he did. And certainly it's just

338
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 2: such a an about face doesn't seem to be the

339
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 2: right phrase, but it is such a departure from what

340
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 2: you would expect. And so when you start to dig

341
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 2: in and see what happened to this man and where

342
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 2: he is now and the best way to do that. Yes,

343
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 2: we can look at the lawsuits he's filed. We can

344
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 2: hear from his parents who have certainly we're screaming for

345
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 2: help from the VA to say, please help our son.

346
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 2: He's not well, he's delusional, he's suffering from traumatic brain injury.

347
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 2: But he actually self published a book.

348
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I had to go look this up.

349
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 1: It's still out there till on Amazon. But even the

350
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: name of it, Headshot Betrayal of a Nation, even that's heavy.

351
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 1: But take a listen to what he describes robes and

352
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: this is part of the description of the book on Amazon,

353
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,919
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting taking four bullets, including one to the

354
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 1: head Sewn he was Sean at the time. Shawn's life

355
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: would never be the same. But it was the fact

356
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: that all of this was at the hand of friendly

357
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 1: fire that would provide the most crippling mental damage. Sean

358
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: deba voice was nearly killed by his own marines, and

359
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: for reasons that are boggling to the outside mind. Putting

360
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: the pieces together. Still today, Sewn has come to realize

361
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: that a dangerous web was woven between the US Marines,

362
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: a hunger for honor and jealousy that traced all the

363
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 1: way back to his family home. It sounds almost like

364
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: fiction is being written.

365
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: It does, and none of this specifically has been corroborated.

366
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly history. It was injured. But he went

367
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: on to say Seawan killed insurgents on that fateful day

368
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: when he was locked in a warehouse and left to

369
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: die by his own men. Returning home, the nightmare seemed

370
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: to become even more horrifying. Although he has worked tirelessly

371
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: to recover the use of his body and reclaim his

372
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 2: life from those who did everything in their power to

373
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 2: take it from him, he still grapples with a mysterious

374
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: story that the US military doesn't want you to know.

375
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: This is Sean's story and it's being told for the

376
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: first time with unflinching honesty.

377
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean wow, just wow, Just what was going

378
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: on with this guy? And look it's it's it's it's

379
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: weird for your heart to hurt for the guy accused

380
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: of doing this. Right, it just is we supposed to

381
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: just see's a monster. You should go to jail for

382
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. And who knows what was

383
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: really going on, but just it was a very quick

384
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: picture that was painted of yes, there was something going

385
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: on with him in your heart hurts for everybody certainly today.

386
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: Man, you know who I think of right now? I

387
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 2: think of our dear friend and God we love him,

388
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: Bob Woodruff, who was injured and also had a traumatic

389
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: brain injury while he was covering a war zone, and

390
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: he has spent and dedicated his life, he and his

391
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: wife Lee to helping servicemen and women who found themselves

392
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 2: in the same ble. But they've had to step in

393
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: and they privately have funded so much help and care

394
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: for these men and women because our government doesn't provide enough,

395
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: and they are on their bullhn horn and sounding alarms

396
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: for people for decades now, trying to raise awareness about

397
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: the fact that we as a nation do not take

398
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: care of our men and women who are wounded, especially

399
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: those with traumatic head injuries when they come back home.

400
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: And so I applaud Bob and Lee for all that

401
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 2: they do, because this is an extreme example, this is

402
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: worst case scenario. But we need more help for the

403
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: men and women who come back and are helpless in

404
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, and we put them on those

405
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: battlefields and we need to take care of them when

406
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: they come home.

407
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: Like we said, it sounds like a tragedy on top

408
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: of tragedy. More details to come, would you say? Next week?

409
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: October thirteenth? This is next hearing?

410
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: All right, well, folks, we just wanted to hop on

411
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: on this one with the updates. But as always on

412
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: my malf of Amy Robach, I am TJ. Holmes. I

413
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: always appreciate you all spending some time with us