WEBVTT - Khris Riddick-Tynes

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jay Valentine and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>R &amp; B Money Podcast. And I have a young

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman today that I believe is on the road to

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<v Speaker 1>becoming an absolute legend in the music business. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what they told me? They told me R &amp; B

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<v Speaker 1>was dead. I said, you motherfucking cockroaches. Y'all just scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's a young man from Los Angeles, California, doing

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<v Speaker 1>so much great R &amp; B music, keeping this thing alive.

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<v Speaker 2>That I feel good about being in it.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely not going to snooze on him. You might

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<v Speaker 1>get folded up if you try to snooze on him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? It could be a girl's

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<v Speaker 2>night out.

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<v Speaker 1>But today and tonight, I'm going to introduce you to

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<v Speaker 1>my good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Chris Riddick Tines.

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<v Speaker 1>They named a nigga more times than once.

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<v Speaker 2>We going to get into that, too. Y'all welcome my guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Riddick Tines. Oh, man. Appreciate you having me here, man. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a long time coming, brother. Yeah. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you be canceling this shit. Nah, that's you, man. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the host, so I can say you can't. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? See, they set me up on you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how it goes. This is how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>How you feeling, bro? I'm feeling great, man. I'm feeling great.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You look expensive. You look expensive. This is R &amp;

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<v Speaker 2>B money. A little something. You know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you are proof that there's money in R &amp; B music. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 2>let's start from the beginning, bro. Let's start in L.A., right?

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<v Speaker 2>We in L.A. This is your hometown. Everybody from here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you're actually from here. Yeah. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Born and raised in Southern California. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, how is it getting in the music business

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<v Speaker 1>and being from Los Angeles, though? Because that seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a different type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think being from the city, it's like there's

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<v Speaker 2>always one degree of separation. Yeah. It could be homies

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<v Speaker 2>you play basketball with. or a football wit, a Pop Warner, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>their uncle might be a producer, or yada, yada, yada,

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody's cousin, or everybody's kind of doing music. So

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's one degree of separation away from the business. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was growing up, I went to Maria Regina for,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a Catholic school for elementary and junior high. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And from K through eight. And like, we had, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Tiger was at my school, Y'all were classmates? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a little bit older than me. Okay. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>His grandma used to run the, like, she was like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the disciplinarians there and ran the front office.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tiger's grandma whooped you? Tiger's grandma whooped him. She

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to grab me by the ears. She was amazing. But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had... It was just so much talent. Like, Brandon

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<v Speaker 2>Jennings went to the school. Okay. And a couple other cats,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in high school. C.P. Dubb, who did French

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<v Speaker 2>Montana's Unforgettable. Shit. You know, we went to high school together. So,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a lot of people that were kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the mix from kindergarten to high school that were

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<v Speaker 2>doing music. And we kind of all just... Everybody just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of knew about each other. You know what I'm saying? So.

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<v Speaker 1>For you, were you already pursuing music in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, this is something I want to do with

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<v Speaker 1>my life? Or was it like, okay, I'm doing something

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<v Speaker 1>else first before the music thing kicked in for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think music was something that I was always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of good at because my pops is a musician. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always a musician. Yeah. Is it true your daddy

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<v Speaker 2>was part of Randy and the Gypsies? Yeah. You went

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<v Speaker 2>deep diving. Your daddy really was part of Randy Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>and the Gypsies? Yeah, yeah. Hey, man. Jermaine!

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah!

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it. I knew it was something about you, dog. Nigga! Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So him and Randy grew up together. Okay. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were friends. And Neil Pope, who's my godfather, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they all was just a crew. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was like, No different than a me

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<v Speaker 2>and Leon or whatever the case may be. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get to that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know how you meet the Disney niggas.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>You will.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get to that in a minute. Cause

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<v Speaker 1>that's wild to me. I'm like, this is Nickelodeon Disney.

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<v Speaker 1>You just somehow, but this is LA. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is LA. So, okay. So your father. Musician. He's,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in the band. He's in the band writing him

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<v Speaker 2>and Randy wrote a lot of those songs together. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he the first in the family? No. No, my

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<v Speaker 2>grandma was actually signed to Uptown Records, the original Uptown

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<v Speaker 2>Records back in the 70s. So there's another Uptown before. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, dog. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's an Uptown before Andre Herrera.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe so, yeah. You might be lying. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not lying. I'm not lying. If you look up Maria Times,

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<v Speaker 2>the queen is on her knees. Yeah, that was her record.

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<v Speaker 2>The queen is on her knees. Yeah, and she wrote for.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain that? for me a little bit grandma

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<v Speaker 2>was wild okay all right no i was begging and

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<v Speaker 2>pleading begging and pleading yeah i'm pleading but yeah she

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<v Speaker 2>used to um write songs for um what's the lady

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<v Speaker 2>that sings uh mr big stuff betty right yeah betty

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<v Speaker 2>right yeah so you know let my grandma tell it

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<v Speaker 2>she was like betty right used to make pies for

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<v Speaker 2>me back in back in the south and who do

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<v Speaker 2>or chicago i can't remember my grandma lived all over

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<v Speaker 2>but she was like yeah and i knew she could

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<v Speaker 2>sing and You know, I helped her get her situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So your grandma said she discovered it. My grandma discovered

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<v Speaker 2>everything she be saying. Yeah. I respect that. RIP to

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<v Speaker 2>Grandma Marie. She said she also started Uptown. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was Uptown. I believe. I don't think they gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get you for that one, bro. They gonna fry me? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they gonna fry you for that one, bro. They gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fry you. You gotta fact check it. It's okay. It's okay. Alright,

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<v Speaker 2>so you come from a musical family and Are you

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<v Speaker 2>playing instruments? Are you in a group? Nah. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>going that route? Are you in B2K part two? So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I did piano. I think everybody does piano lessons, right?

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<v Speaker 2>When you're a kid. And it was like, man, this

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<v Speaker 2>shit is boring. I want to learn when the Saints

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<v Speaker 2>go marching in. Right. I want to learn Michael Jackson. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't meet you where you were. Yeah. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just something that I would just, you know, just knew

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<v Speaker 2>how to do when it came to just sounds and

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<v Speaker 2>messing around. You could play by ear. Yeah. I'm not crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good enough to write songs, but. What started it

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<v Speaker 2>was my pops went into law enforcement after the band disbanded.

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<v Speaker 2>And then once I was born. They went from Randy

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<v Speaker 2>to Jisties? Yeah. To the Popo? To the Popo. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. Because,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he had a kid. So he was like, yo, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if the band ain't working, I got to take care

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<v Speaker 2>of my family. So he went in and, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Randy started doing music, too, or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening was maybe, like, 13 years later,

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<v Speaker 2>by this time, my uncle Pogue, he became the mixer

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody went to. So during this time he did

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<v Speaker 2>like TLC and a bunch of other people, whatever, Outkast,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he did all the Outkast stuff. And him

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<v Speaker 2>and my uncle Lenny was kind of telling my dad like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this new thing called Pro Tools. It's digital. So like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically all this gear in the box. So my

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<v Speaker 2>pops was like, you know, okay, cool. So they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can work from home now. You don't really need

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<v Speaker 2>a studio. So, My pops had got a Pro Tools

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<v Speaker 2>set up. It was a G5 Mac, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>the big ass... I had one. Yeah, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>big ass silver trash can looking joints. And he got it,

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<v Speaker 2>got it set up, converted our garage into like a

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<v Speaker 2>little studio. Nigga turned it on, didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>use a computer. Yeah, this ain't analog no more. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, he was kind of stumped. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody kind of grew up using Windows computers. So...

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<v Speaker 2>Mac was like foreign. It was like foreign. Yeah. Especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you weren't used to computers, you know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>So I just kind of went back there and just

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<v Speaker 2>started learning how to run logic and pro tools and

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<v Speaker 2>sampling and messing with the, uh, let me show you

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<v Speaker 2>how to do it. Yeah, basically. And then like a

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<v Speaker 2>few months went by, he's like, nigga better than me.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was like, uh, he just kind of let

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<v Speaker 2>me have free reign in there. And that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>became a spot where everybody came to recording.

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<v Speaker 1>So him thinking that, He was going to get back

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<v Speaker 1>into music a little bit, kind of opened up a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new lane for you and your friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's dope. So ultimately he was your

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<v Speaker 2>first investor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On accident. On accident. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then grandma was like, man, you need some better speakers.

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<v Speaker 2>So then she got me the KRKs. Yeah. The eights. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is dope though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're producing for your homies. You started just making beats. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I met a guy named Alvin, Alvin Isaacs, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>amazing producer. And then we kind of became a little

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<v Speaker 2>clique fresh out of high school, right? Yeah. Into high school. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's a little bit older than me. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was already making beats and doing the beat battles

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<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff. So we got together.

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<v Speaker 2>That ended up kind of one thing leading to another

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<v Speaker 2>where we ended up meeting Antonio Dixon. And then that

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<v Speaker 2>led to us meeting Babyface. Are you still in college

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<v Speaker 2>at this point? Because you went to college, though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to college.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you're in high school at this point? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like my senior year. But you choose to still...

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<v Speaker 2>go to college or you were forced to which one

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<v Speaker 2>was it so my mom's deal like when i was

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<v Speaker 2>like yo i really want to do music she kind

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<v Speaker 2>of had a bad taste in her mouth you need

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<v Speaker 2>to go to school so you know finish college and

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<v Speaker 2>then you do what you want yeah and then you

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of what you major i was in political

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<v Speaker 2>science major you said i was yeah did you finish

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<v Speaker 2>i finished oh you didn't finish like you said it

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<v Speaker 2>as if like yeah i was there no no no

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<v Speaker 2>i got a part of it yeah no the political

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<v Speaker 2>science major and then also african-american studies congratulations brother Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Cause it's like five of you niggas who actually finished.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I went to law school too. Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We know this though. You haven't said, you haven't said.

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<v Speaker 2>for the podcast. Oh, I did not know you went

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<v Speaker 2>to law school though. I knew you went to LMU. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You went to college. Yeah. I had no idea you

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<v Speaker 2>went to law school though. Yeah. Yeah. But that was like,

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<v Speaker 2>like way later. Are you an attorney? I didn't take

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<v Speaker 2>the bar yet. I didn't take the bar. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you wake up tomorrow and say, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>take the bar, you can be an attorney. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>was studying for the bar and this news happened. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to that. That's wild. That's wild. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you should take the bar just on flex. I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know. When a nigga try to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you something, be like, you. Yeah. Esquire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious, though. Yeah. All right. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to snooze. The name, though. Yeah. Chris Riddick Tynes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my parents were married when they first had me. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So my grandma. It's your son. Yeah, my grandma. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take all these names. See, my grandma, my

0:10:49.530 --> 0:10:51.150
<v Speaker 2>mom's mom didn't know if my uncle was going to

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<v Speaker 2>have kids. So she was like, he need to have

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<v Speaker 2>a Riddick name. She was right. He had kids. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I was a first born. So like.

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<v Speaker 2>But it gave you a cool ass name though. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It gave you a cool ass name. Like royalty or something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It's Christopher Van Riddick Thompson. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a knight. Van Riddick. Yeah, Van Riddick. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>calling you Chris. You're Van Riddick from now on. That

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<v Speaker 2>shit is fly. That shit is fly. And it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sounds like a football player. Yeah, exactly. You got

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<v Speaker 2>one of them multi-multi-hyphenate names now. You know what I'm saying? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's dope, bro. That's dope. Okay, so now finish college. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Is anything clicking musically? Because y'all know you're working toward it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what's crazy is that In the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>college is when me and Leon met. Like, maybe, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say it was like the end of my

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<v Speaker 2>freshman year. I had a homegirl who was friends with Leon. And,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we got with Babyface right out of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was at Brandon's way. You knew Face first.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew Antonio first. Okay. And played Antonio some. They

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<v Speaker 2>had the Pentagon. The Pentagon. Like him. Me and Tank

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be a part of that. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>so they was doing their thing at Brandon's Way. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I went and Damon had that, what's that

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<v Speaker 2>keyboard with the little computer screen on it that all

0:12:16.710 --> 0:12:17.350
<v Speaker 2>them niggas had?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of it, but I know exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>keyboard you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a gear nerd.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So they was like geeking out over it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it had the squares. It had I square and all them. IJ,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out my IJ. Yes, sir. And we went up there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we thought our stuff was dope. And we

0:12:37.670 --> 0:12:41.540
<v Speaker 2>pressed play. You and Leon? No, me and Alvin. Okay.

0:12:41.940 --> 0:12:43.460
<v Speaker 2>And so we went up there to go play stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for Tony. And he was like, the beats are cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but the songs suck. Now, by that time, I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>really experienced nothing. So, you know, I didn't know. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just writing. You're just writing. Ooh, baby, I love you. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he's like, yo, just... kind of pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to what's going around you. If you ain't experienced it yet,

0:13:04.590 --> 0:13:06.930
<v Speaker 2>your mom is probably experienced, your dad's probably experienced. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just kind of like absorb. And that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of clicked for me. And, you know, we came back

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<v Speaker 2>maybe like three months later, came and played him some joints.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like, yo, great improvement. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>play some music for somebody. So can you guys come

0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.219
<v Speaker 2>into a little room? So if you've been to Brandon's way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little C room, which is like a little closet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he's main writer. Yeah. Yeah. His main writing room.

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<v Speaker 2>And it'd be hot as shit in there, man. A

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<v Speaker 2>hundred degrees. Yeah. And so, uh, he comes in and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, y'all, I want to introduce you to somebody.

0:13:39.380 --> 0:13:41.660
<v Speaker 2>And then Kenny walks around the corner and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey man, how you doing, man? Yeah, we're good. And

0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.640
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, let me get some music. So we

0:13:47.970 --> 0:13:52.030
<v Speaker 2>played him like three songs and he's like, you know, yeah,

0:13:52.290 --> 0:13:54.530
<v Speaker 2>I've been out. And so he cuts it off and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, do you have a, do you have a deal?

0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a publishing deal or do you have anything?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, nah, I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 2>I was 18 at the time, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think I got to ask my mom, like,

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<v Speaker 2>cause I don't, I don't think, you know? And so

0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.990
<v Speaker 2>he was like, can I sign the baby? So, so,

0:14:10.710 --> 0:14:12.790
<v Speaker 2>so he's like, well, look, it's a, so it was

0:14:12.809 --> 0:14:16.089
<v Speaker 2>winter break. He was like, yo, just come back. Y'all

0:14:16.110 --> 0:14:19.550
<v Speaker 2>can use a little, little other small closet room. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll just figure it out. We'll go from there.

0:14:20.990 --> 0:14:24.330
<v Speaker 2>So there was no pressure on like paperwork. Okay. That's

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<v Speaker 2>really just coming up there. So we worked out of

0:14:27.500 --> 0:14:30.740
<v Speaker 2>there for a minute. And how me and Leon got

0:14:30.780 --> 0:14:34.170
<v Speaker 2>connected was there was this rapper that we were working with.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had this idea, but I don't play guitar.

0:14:37.310 --> 0:14:38.630
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, man, it'd be dope to have

0:14:38.650 --> 0:14:43.590
<v Speaker 2>like a guitar on here. And my homegirl was there

0:14:43.710 --> 0:14:45.870
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, yo, this guy I've been hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with. He's really cool. His name is Leon. I

0:14:48.770 --> 0:14:52.590
<v Speaker 2>think you should meet him. He plays guitar. Leon had

0:14:52.610 --> 0:14:54.510
<v Speaker 2>been up to the studio because he had worked with

0:14:55.070 --> 0:14:59.780
<v Speaker 2>Face and Tony. Earlier, for his own artist project, early, early, early,

0:14:59.820 --> 0:15:03.220
<v Speaker 2>like early, early iterations. Victorious days. Victorious days. Because he's

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<v Speaker 2>still on Victorious at this time. When y'all meet. When

0:15:05.230 --> 0:15:08.610
<v Speaker 2>we meet. He comes over and we just literally worked

0:15:08.790 --> 0:15:11.630
<v Speaker 2>every day since then. It just clicked. We just clicked.

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<v Speaker 2>First day. Every day. Because for him, he was an actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And music is what he's always, what he's doing now

0:15:18.730 --> 0:15:20.980
<v Speaker 2>is what he was always meant to be doing. And

0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.500
<v Speaker 2>always what his heart was always telling him to do. But,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just think When you are multi-hyphenate like that,

0:15:26.950 --> 0:15:29.320
<v Speaker 2>you ride in a wave of whatever is. And it's tough.

0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's tough. You know what I mean? Him and

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<v Speaker 2>I have spoken about that. You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a tough space to be in when somebody thinks

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<v Speaker 1>they know you for something else.

0:15:37.340 --> 0:15:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. Or they think they even know you for a

0:15:39.500 --> 0:15:43.070
<v Speaker 2>character you're playing. Yeah. More so than who you actually

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<v Speaker 2>are as a human. Yeah. That's really tough. And I

0:15:46.570 --> 0:15:50.950
<v Speaker 2>think breaking through that, it's not easy. Yeah. It's not easy, man. No,

0:15:50.950 --> 0:15:53.460
<v Speaker 2>it's not. No matter how talented you are. Yeah. Because

0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you just got some people that are just stuck on things. Yeah. No, no.

0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.660
<v Speaker 2>You're such and such. Like, nigga, no, I'm not. Yeah.

0:15:58.740 --> 0:16:00.900
<v Speaker 2>It's actually not even my name. You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's hard when it's big. Yes. You know what

0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.980
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying? It's easier to shake it when you're the sub-character.

0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.640
<v Speaker 2>But he was the main guy. You know, main character. So, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how we met Ariana. Because that was the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing we did. When I was in college, it

0:16:18.340 --> 0:16:21.490
<v Speaker 2>was Ariana. We produced half of. Yours truly. Obviously, they

0:16:21.530 --> 0:16:23.490
<v Speaker 2>already knew each other from. They knew each other. So

0:16:23.530 --> 0:16:26.340
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I quickly understood being at Brandon's way.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things. All these niggas that was coming to the

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<v Speaker 2>studio to work were coming to work with Kenny. Right.

0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:39.869
<v Speaker 2>And then they were not concerned about working with me. Like, Eber, Beyonce, Alicia,

0:16:40.330 --> 0:16:44.050
<v Speaker 2>and Kenny and Tony are partners. So, you know, and

0:16:44.090 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Tony obviously has his own stripes and his own, right? Yeah. So,

0:16:48.220 --> 0:16:49.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they either come and work with Tony or

0:16:49.620 --> 0:16:50.860
<v Speaker 2>they come and work with Kenny. And they were kind

0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.940
<v Speaker 2>of having a resurgence. They did the Beyonce record, Best

0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.030
<v Speaker 2>Thing I Never Had. This is before it came out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these are demos of JQ, you know, all

0:16:56.770 --> 0:16:59.430
<v Speaker 2>those guys. So these niggas was not trying to work

0:16:59.470 --> 0:17:04.230
<v Speaker 2>with us. And so my thing, one thing I pride

0:17:04.250 --> 0:17:09.260
<v Speaker 2>myself on is just being observant, you know. And so,

0:17:09.300 --> 0:17:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and I ask a lot of questions. And so when

0:17:11.780 --> 0:17:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I would sit and talk to Kenny, because he was

0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.830
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, Bruce Wayne, man, he show up and

0:17:16.869 --> 0:17:19.430
<v Speaker 2>he go up into the, he disappeared. Yeah. He disappeared.

0:17:19.450 --> 0:17:21.290
<v Speaker 2>But the times I could sit and talk with him,

0:17:21.890 --> 0:17:23.709
<v Speaker 2>I quickly understood that a lot of the success they

0:17:23.750 --> 0:17:27.369
<v Speaker 2>had was from him in LA finding their own artists. Yes. So,

0:17:27.970 --> 0:17:29.550
<v Speaker 2>so that was kind of what my hunt was. You

0:17:29.570 --> 0:17:31.210
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? Which is trying to find people

0:17:31.250 --> 0:17:33.350
<v Speaker 2>to work with. And that, that was kind of my skill.

0:17:33.930 --> 0:17:36.110
<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, that's how we found Kehlani. She

0:17:36.150 --> 0:17:40.270
<v Speaker 2>was 15, 16, you know, she was still in the Bay.

0:17:40.450 --> 0:17:42.300
<v Speaker 2>You know, I found her, I was like, yo, she's

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.100
<v Speaker 2>going to be the new TLC. There's no barriers for her.

0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.350
<v Speaker 2>She's breaking. She's going to make her all three of

0:17:47.369 --> 0:17:49.010
<v Speaker 2>them in one. But that's what it is.

0:17:49.030 --> 0:17:52.990
<v Speaker 1>She's going to be in the TOT. You are T-Boz,

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<v Speaker 1>left eye, and shit.

0:17:54.570 --> 0:17:56.810
<v Speaker 2>But she is though. No, that's not it. Maybe it's

0:17:56.830 --> 0:18:00.590
<v Speaker 2>a lot of pressure. But I think. But that's what

0:18:00.630 --> 0:18:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I thought. Right. And niggas thought I was crazy. They

0:18:03.340 --> 0:18:06.340
<v Speaker 2>were like, they were like, we, we, she could sing,

0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.830
<v Speaker 2>she could, but it was like, nigga, I don't know.

0:18:08.850 --> 0:18:11.270
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, no, but see, they didn't understand

0:18:11.290 --> 0:18:14.770
<v Speaker 2>the cultural part of it. Like she's breaking gender boundaries.

0:18:14.850 --> 0:18:17.780
<v Speaker 2>She's breaking the shit she's talking about. Girls wasn't really

0:18:17.820 --> 0:18:20.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about that. Kind of talking like she was singing

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.919
<v Speaker 2>rap lyrics. We didn't have, and it felt good. You

0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.419
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? She didn't, niggas really didn't have that.

0:18:33.970 --> 0:18:37.850
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if those original demos she sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>Are yours. Probably not. No? Nah, because... See, now you

0:18:42.730 --> 0:18:46.570
<v Speaker 2>don't want to claim it. Look at you. Look at

0:18:46.590 --> 0:18:48.470
<v Speaker 2>you trying to get out of it. Nah, nigga, you

0:18:48.490 --> 0:18:52.070
<v Speaker 2>just said it. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. They're not,

0:18:52.090 --> 0:18:54.970
<v Speaker 2>they're not, they're not, they're not. She had some shit,

0:18:55.020 --> 0:18:57.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying? You kind of just dissed

0:18:57.300 --> 0:19:00.139
<v Speaker 2>her a little bit. No, I did not. It was

0:19:00.180 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Jahan Live. No, it was probably Jahan Sweet. It was

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.700
<v Speaker 2>probably Jahan Sweet. Or it was... You don't like Jahan's records? No,

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.919
<v Speaker 2>Jahan is my guy. That nigga's amazing. Messy. Jahan is

0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.139
<v Speaker 2>my guy. Fuck with you. But nah. You don't interview

0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:21.850
<v Speaker 2>a lot, do you? Nah, I don't. Got your ass. Yeah,

0:19:21.890 --> 0:19:24.310
<v Speaker 2>you got me. But it's all good. Nah, nah. Clickbait.

0:19:24.530 --> 0:19:24.850
<v Speaker 3>Nah.

0:19:25.130 --> 0:19:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Because, you know, her and I met... really early in

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:28.920
<v Speaker 2>her career.

0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Too yeah yeah no but we met here oh you

0:19:31.580 --> 0:19:34.420
<v Speaker 1>actually met in la she was a she was young

0:19:34.460 --> 0:19:36.240
<v Speaker 1>young though yeah and um she was out here and

0:19:36.270 --> 0:19:38.430
<v Speaker 1>she's working with nick hannah at the time yeah yeah

0:19:38.810 --> 0:19:42.150
<v Speaker 1>and she sang for me uh i met her through

0:19:42.190 --> 0:19:45.850
<v Speaker 1>my guy jay anthony and you know i was trying

0:19:45.869 --> 0:19:47.629
<v Speaker 1>to help her out just you know just give her

0:19:47.650 --> 0:19:49.330
<v Speaker 1>guidance and some stuff and she was sending me records

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<v Speaker 1>i still have those records to this day.

0:19:50.700 --> 0:19:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I still have those records. Dude, she's, you know,

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.800
<v Speaker 2>she just, she just kept it going and kept elevating. But,

0:19:58.119 --> 0:19:59.340
<v Speaker 2>but that was the thing. And so when it came

0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to Ariana, you know, Leona was like, yo, there's a

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.619
<v Speaker 2>girl on my show. She could sing and she's crazy

0:20:04.660 --> 0:20:06.680
<v Speaker 2>at singing, but I don't know if they really got

0:20:06.700 --> 0:20:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it figured out. We should have her come to the studio.

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.590
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, bet. Did she have a deal and

0:20:11.609 --> 0:20:13.649
<v Speaker 2>stuff yet? She was signed to Republic, but they were

0:20:13.670 --> 0:20:17.770
<v Speaker 2>doing like weird, they were doing different records. It was

0:20:17.810 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like very sixties, very like swing kind of records. And then,

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.860
<v Speaker 2>and then there's you. And then there was us, you know,

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and then we, and then we came in and there

0:20:27.140 --> 0:20:30.140
<v Speaker 2>was a record that was originally done for Beyonce called

0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Baby I. Yeah. Yeah. And I grabbed the files from Tony.

0:20:33.300 --> 0:20:34.980
<v Speaker 2>I said, yo, I'm going to reproduce this and I'm

0:20:35.020 --> 0:20:37.119
<v Speaker 2>going to, I want to try something. So he was like,

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.950
<v Speaker 2>I don't, cool, whatever. So remade it. And I had

0:20:40.990 --> 0:20:43.210
<v Speaker 2>Ariana sing it. And I was like, yo, she's the

0:20:43.250 --> 0:20:45.870
<v Speaker 2>next Mariah Carey. She got it. I was like, she's

0:20:45.890 --> 0:20:48.260
<v Speaker 2>the next Mariah Carey. Everybody was blown away by her talent.

0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 2>But at that time, Mariah was still Mariah. You know

0:20:52.180 --> 0:20:55.840
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? And so that's a big shoes to fill.

0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's just like how I said that Kehlani to

0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.060
<v Speaker 2>me was a new TLC. I felt like Ariana was

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>a new Mariah. One thing led to another. And then

0:21:03.540 --> 0:21:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Wendy kind of let me and Leon do, it was

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.640
<v Speaker 2>us and Harmony that did majority of that first album.

0:21:07.660 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>So that was the first big thing. And that happened

0:21:10.100 --> 0:21:12.300
<v Speaker 2>while I was in school. At this point, you guys

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 2>have established the rascals. The rascals, yep. This is when

0:21:14.859 --> 0:21:17.540
<v Speaker 2>y'all had a tag. Yeah, that we only used on

0:21:17.570 --> 0:21:20.430
<v Speaker 2>that one. I didn't like it. I didn't like it either.

0:21:21.790 --> 0:21:24.750
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, but you know what? We was kids, bro. Like,

0:21:24.770 --> 0:21:30.149
<v Speaker 2>that's a weird-ass tag. Whatever. Mr. Rascal. to a ballot.

0:21:30.190 --> 0:21:34.550
<v Speaker 2>But it worked. But it worked. This nigga's gonna make

0:21:34.630 --> 0:21:36.949
<v Speaker 2>sure y'all know who did this song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:21:37.210 --> 0:21:39.970
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually, it's funny, right? Because we've been in the

0:21:40.010 --> 0:21:41.710
<v Speaker 1>business long enough to see waves.

0:21:41.810 --> 0:21:44.870
<v Speaker 2>Uh-huh. I remember when that was just a thing. Yeah. Like,

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 2>producers were hell-bent.

0:21:47.820 --> 0:21:54.300
<v Speaker 1>I remember we were making maybe, um, SLP2 album, I think.

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.950
<v Speaker 1>And I was having those conversations from the executive management side.

0:22:00.100 --> 0:22:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, listen, bro, I can't have your tag on here.

0:22:03.500 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>And niggas were hurt. Oh, it was, yeah, you get mad.

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.459
<v Speaker 2>And niggas were hurt. Like, no, no, what?

0:22:08.420 --> 0:22:13.379
<v Speaker 1>Listen, man, it just sounds weird on this song. You

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.090
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Yeah, just trying to have those conversations. Yeah,

0:22:17.570 --> 0:22:21.070
<v Speaker 1>because I think the producers at that point had got

0:22:21.090 --> 0:22:25.540
<v Speaker 1>so used to everybody having a tag, that that just

0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:29.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of became part of the records. And think about it,

0:22:29.650 --> 0:22:32.030
<v Speaker 1>you know, for a lot of guys, especially like Mustard and,

0:22:32.510 --> 0:22:36.030
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you heard Mustard on the beat, you

0:22:36.070 --> 0:22:38.090
<v Speaker 1>kind of already got excited about what you were about

0:22:38.109 --> 0:22:38.390
<v Speaker 1>to hear.

0:22:38.609 --> 0:22:38.810
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:22:39.030 --> 0:22:40.690
<v Speaker 1>When you heard the Mustard on the beat. You know

0:22:40.710 --> 0:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying? And it didn't matter what it was on.

0:22:45.180 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 1>That was a tough side from the management, executive side

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.180
<v Speaker 1>to have those conversations with creatives.

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.340
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm. Like, bro, I get it. But, like, don't nobody.

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.620
<v Speaker 1>And I have, like, real conversations with niggas where they

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>just like, man, well, you know, how they going to know.

0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:03.149
<v Speaker 2>I produced it? See, that's the thing. Like, after we

0:23:03.170 --> 0:23:06.689
<v Speaker 2>did that shit, I was like, you look at all

0:23:06.710 --> 0:23:09.990
<v Speaker 2>the great, Dr. Dre don't have one. Babyface don't have one. Right?

0:23:10.150 --> 0:23:11.909
<v Speaker 2>Timberland don't have one. You know what I'm saying? You

0:23:11.950 --> 0:23:15.590
<v Speaker 2>know the sound, but you, you know how to. So,

0:23:15.630 --> 0:23:18.100
<v Speaker 2>it's just, it kind of dates you. Yeah. Now, somebody

0:23:18.140 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 2>actually talked about that with a lot was Boy Wonder.

0:23:20.220 --> 0:23:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Because he was, he don't do it. We stopped that

0:23:22.260 --> 0:23:25.570
<v Speaker 2>shit right after. Because it was just like. I mean, listen,

0:23:25.619 --> 0:23:28.390
<v Speaker 2>it's each their own. Yeah. Right.

0:23:28.530 --> 0:23:31.109
<v Speaker 1>But I think for me, like I said, from the

0:23:31.170 --> 0:23:33.650
<v Speaker 1>executive side, man, I just, I didn't, I was never

0:23:33.710 --> 0:23:35.190
<v Speaker 1>big on the, on the tags.

0:23:35.230 --> 0:23:38.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this album comes out. Is this your first placement?

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:43.770
<v Speaker 2>The first placement was actually Boyz II Men. Like maybe

0:23:43.810 --> 0:23:47.109
<v Speaker 2>a year or two before that. Okay. Yeah. We were

0:23:47.130 --> 0:23:49.970
<v Speaker 2>just playing beats and Wanya came into my room because

0:23:50.010 --> 0:23:51.770
<v Speaker 2>he heard stuff and was like, I want to do

0:23:51.790 --> 0:23:53.670
<v Speaker 2>that song. And I was like. This is you and Leon?

0:23:54.030 --> 0:23:55.670
<v Speaker 2>Me and Alvin. Okay.

0:23:55.690 --> 0:23:55.990
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:56.380 --> 0:24:00.580
<v Speaker 2>Me and Leon's first placement together was Ravon's Best Friend.

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:03.980
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit. I don't even know if you remember that record.

0:24:04.700 --> 0:24:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit. Ravon Brown. I love Ravon Brown. Yeah. She's amazing. Yeah.

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:08.580 --> 0:24:12.609
<v Speaker 2>She's amazing. He's amazing. That was our first record. That's crazy, bro. Okay.

0:24:13.470 --> 0:24:17.230
<v Speaker 2>What's your charge? Come on, man.

0:24:17.330 --> 0:24:19.390
<v Speaker 1>You're not that rich. I know you're really rich now,

0:24:19.430 --> 0:24:22.310
<v Speaker 1>but come on, dog. You still remember when you weren't rich, bro.

0:24:22.330 --> 0:24:22.629
<v Speaker 1>Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Back then, it was probably like $ 7, 500

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.260
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. That's a lot of money. For

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.020
<v Speaker 2>your first placement, $ 7, 500. But you know what? We had

0:24:31.340 --> 0:24:36.730
<v Speaker 2>Kenny and Face behind us. You had Both the people.

0:24:36.750 --> 0:24:39.670
<v Speaker 2>You said Kenny and Face. I mean, Kenny and Tony.

0:24:40.010 --> 0:24:43.130
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, damn, nigga. Kenny and Tony. Yeah. They took

0:24:43.150 --> 0:24:45.490
<v Speaker 2>part of y'all $ 7, 500? No, no, no. They didn't take

0:24:45.530 --> 0:24:47.630
<v Speaker 2>part of it. Fuck that, bro. I'm going to talk

0:24:47.650 --> 0:24:49.590
<v Speaker 2>to them niggas. That ain't cool. No, no. They didn't

0:24:49.609 --> 0:24:51.210
<v Speaker 2>take part of it. They didn't take part of it.

0:24:51.230 --> 0:24:52.889
<v Speaker 2>They didn't take part of it. No, they didn't. No,

0:24:52.910 --> 0:24:55.570
<v Speaker 2>they didn't. Not part of it. Hey, Face. Why you

0:24:55.609 --> 0:24:57.649
<v Speaker 2>take part of it? You don't need $ 7, 500. They didn't

0:24:57.670 --> 0:25:00.990
<v Speaker 2>do that. Why would y'all take the rascals' money, man?

0:25:03.590 --> 0:25:06.510
<v Speaker 2>Out of control, man. out of control. All right. So,

0:25:06.790 --> 0:25:08.370
<v Speaker 2>so you get $ 7, 500. Yeah.

0:25:08.510 --> 0:25:10.530
<v Speaker 1>At that point for you though, is that the most

0:25:10.590 --> 0:25:12.350
<v Speaker 1>money you had ever made in your life at that point?

0:25:12.390 --> 0:25:14.629
<v Speaker 2>Like as a bulk of money? Because what else were

0:25:14.670 --> 0:25:16.909
<v Speaker 2>you doing? I'm trying to think. Did I do my

0:25:16.950 --> 0:25:19.670
<v Speaker 2>pub deal at that point? Oh, you got a pub deal?

0:25:19.710 --> 0:25:21.050
<v Speaker 2>I got a pub deal. Yeah. Eventually I did a

0:25:21.050 --> 0:25:24.730
<v Speaker 2>pub deal. Did you do the pub deal with Kenny? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

0:25:24.770 --> 0:25:26.950
<v Speaker 2>Was it with some cool bread? Yeah. It was straight.

0:25:27.550 --> 0:25:29.710
<v Speaker 2>It was straight. It wasn't like what it is now,

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.899
<v Speaker 2>but it was straight. Of course. It was like. Right. Yeah.

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Did you do anything stupid? Nah. No? I wasn't really

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 2>into no dumb shit. The first thing I did when

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.020
<v Speaker 2>I got, like, the first thing I spent on me

0:25:42.060 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>when I was with the Ariana Advances, I got a

0:25:45.310 --> 0:25:48.810
<v Speaker 2>BMW M-Series. That's kind of stupid. It's kind of stupid.

0:25:48.850 --> 0:25:49.270
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:49.310 --> 0:25:49.810
<v Speaker 2>But that was it.

0:25:50.050 --> 0:25:50.649
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:25:50.770 --> 0:25:53.190
<v Speaker 2>I like it, though. Yeah, that was it. I like it, though.

0:25:53.230 --> 0:25:57.530
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it in a bad way. Stupid Fresh. Yeah.

0:25:57.710 --> 0:26:01.210
<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah. And at this point, you probably what?

0:26:02.030 --> 0:26:06.990
<v Speaker 2>Still early 20s? Yeah, I was like. Oh, you killing. 21. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

0:26:07.130 --> 0:26:10.900
<v Speaker 2>I like that. Yeah. I like that. And you still

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:15.140
<v Speaker 2>in school? And I'm still in school. Oh. So, yeah. Yeah,

0:26:15.180 --> 0:26:18.379
<v Speaker 2>you big. I had a girlfriend. You big dog on campus, though. Yeah,

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>but I had a girlfriend. But I'm sure it's making

0:26:19.940 --> 0:26:27.940
<v Speaker 2>her nervous. My boyfriend got an M6. M4. And four. Cool. Okay, okay, okay.

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 2>You start off a little slower. Start slower. Okay, okay.

0:26:31.100 --> 0:26:34.699
<v Speaker 2>First one in L.A., though. They told you that lie

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>they used to tell me. Okay, so listen.

0:26:36.700 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 1>As my young player partner, I'm going to tell you

0:26:38.380 --> 0:26:38.660
<v Speaker 1>the truth.

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this or not. I'm

0:26:39.900 --> 0:26:40.740
<v Speaker 2>sure you do by now.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Bro, you know how much money I done spent thinking

0:26:44.780 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I was the first nigga with something?

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.860
<v Speaker 2>First one in L.A.? Oh, they don't got this color. Yeah. Yeah,

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>this just land. Yeah.

0:26:53.090 --> 0:26:54.650
<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is drive around the corner

0:26:54.690 --> 0:26:57.619
<v Speaker 1>to the other dealership and you'll see the same one.

0:26:57.940 --> 0:26:59.740
<v Speaker 2>But we're so stupid.

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.140
<v Speaker 1>They were like, nigga, this ocean blue?

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Don't exist. Mine was silver. I'm the first one

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.570
<v Speaker 2>in LA. Mine was silver. They had that everywhere. In

0:27:10.310 --> 0:27:18.050
<v Speaker 2>the same two block radius. Silver? Silver. Oh, no. Yeah,

0:27:18.070 --> 0:27:21.030
<v Speaker 2>they had that everywhere. I didn't get no special metallic paint. But,

0:27:21.070 --> 0:27:22.609
<v Speaker 2>you know, it made you feel good. Made me feel great.

0:27:22.650 --> 0:27:23.470
<v Speaker 2>And they probably added an.

0:27:23.490 --> 0:27:30.109
<v Speaker 1>Extra $ 5, 000.

0:27:27.710 --> 0:27:30.429
<v Speaker 2>Oh, man. I'm glad I'm not dumb no more. And

0:27:30.450 --> 0:27:32.550
<v Speaker 2>my little Elite play. Remember the Elite? Everybody used to

0:27:32.570 --> 0:27:35.710
<v Speaker 2>go do Elite. You got it from Todd? Todd. Hey, man,

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>shout out. You know, you're bringing back memories, bro. Shout

0:27:39.020 --> 0:27:40.179
<v Speaker 2>out Todd from Elite.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:40.540
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.380
<v Speaker 2>Man, you can go see Todd. And you can have

0:27:44.460 --> 0:27:47.260
<v Speaker 2>a 300 credit score. Get anything. You got some bread, though?

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:49.300
<v Speaker 2>Get anything. I'm going to get you right. You're going

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.140
<v Speaker 2>to have a whip. Right.

0:27:51.820 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And niggas was putting those Elite plates on cars that

0:27:54.320 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Elite. I ain't going to hold you because I've

0:28:00.859 --> 0:28:03.740
<v Speaker 1>definitely been in traffic in my many moons of living

0:28:03.770 --> 0:28:08.350
<v Speaker 1>in L.A. Seeing a car with the Elite plate like, nope.

0:28:08.450 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Ain't no way Ty sold you that car. He don't

0:28:11.619 --> 0:28:17.180
<v Speaker 1>sell those. With an elite plate on it.

0:28:18.580 --> 0:28:21.909
<v Speaker 2>Oh, shit. But that also is LA. Yeah, super LA.

0:28:22.030 --> 0:28:23.149
<v Speaker 2>That is LA, man.

0:28:23.210 --> 0:28:26.669
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I had asked you earlier about growing

0:28:26.750 --> 0:28:29.989
<v Speaker 1>up here and then getting into this business because it's

0:28:30.010 --> 0:28:31.010
<v Speaker 1>a different.

0:28:31.930 --> 0:28:33.210
<v Speaker 2>Experience for y'all.

0:28:33.410 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>And my experience of knowing a lot of guys and

0:28:36.410 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>young ladies from LA. When you talk to y'all, it's

0:28:39.180 --> 0:28:42.340
<v Speaker 1>just a different It's a different type of path.

0:28:42.900 --> 0:28:46.140
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Because you are so close. Yeah. But we're all

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>so far. All of us are far. I think you

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.090
<v Speaker 2>got a better gauge on pitfalls. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha.

0:28:53.770 --> 0:28:56.250
<v Speaker 2>And this might be a wild, crazy take, but I

0:28:56.270 --> 0:28:59.970
<v Speaker 2>feel like if you're talented enough and you're from the city,

0:29:01.730 --> 0:29:04.140
<v Speaker 2>you're in a class of people that legitimately get a shot.

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.660
<v Speaker 2>And it depends on what you do with that shot. Yeah. Yeah.

0:29:09.700 --> 0:29:12.220
<v Speaker 2>But for the most part, if you are of a

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.510
<v Speaker 2>certain talent, certain caliber, you got a shot. You got

0:29:15.530 --> 0:29:17.810
<v Speaker 2>to look. You're going to get a look. You're going

0:29:17.830 --> 0:29:19.750
<v Speaker 2>to get a look. Get the looks. Lose the looks.

0:29:20.270 --> 0:29:22.590
<v Speaker 2>Never get the look again. Right. Get the look back.

0:29:23.170 --> 0:29:25.410
<v Speaker 2>Win two more championships. You know what I'm saying? So

0:29:25.750 --> 0:29:28.350
<v Speaker 2>you kind of know how to, you know the lay

0:29:28.390 --> 0:29:30.770
<v Speaker 2>of the land a little bit better versus like, you're

0:29:30.810 --> 0:29:33.470
<v Speaker 2>not so jaded towards it. You know how ugly it

0:29:33.510 --> 0:29:35.790
<v Speaker 2>can get. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I

0:29:35.830 --> 0:29:37.870
<v Speaker 2>think that is a blessing being from the city. You

0:29:37.890 --> 0:29:40.229
<v Speaker 2>can kind of. Being close to it. you can see

0:29:40.260 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the ups and downs of it so it was never

0:29:41.940 --> 0:29:44.460
<v Speaker 2>glamorous to me you know in a sense of like

0:29:45.420 --> 0:29:47.980
<v Speaker 2>the romanticization of it it was just like okay this

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>is a job and this could be fun but also

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.820
<v Speaker 2>like you got to do other stuff which is you

0:29:52.860 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 2>know have your hand in other stuff.

0:29:54.340 --> 0:29:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah did you ever hit niggas with like you know

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>i know randy jackson Nah.

0:29:58.900 --> 0:30:00.740
<v Speaker 2>No? Nah. Nah, nah.

0:30:00.940 --> 0:30:03.020
<v Speaker 1>I be telling niggas to picture me and Mike all

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.020
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:30:04.060 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Me and Mike, nigga. Nah. You said you was hanging

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:12.380
<v Speaker 2>out with who? So? Me and Mike. And Bubbles, nigga. Bubbles. Nigga,

0:30:12.500 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I win. Man, my dad had a funny story. He

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>said at Westlake, they went to go see Mike, and

0:30:19.850 --> 0:30:23.470
<v Speaker 2>Bubbles had the room upstairs. Yeah. But Bubbles took a shit. Man.

0:30:25.790 --> 0:30:29.510
<v Speaker 2>He didn't have his pamper off? Bubba's throwing shit. Like

0:30:29.530 --> 0:30:33.190
<v Speaker 2>the zoo? Like the zoo. Mm-mm, you don't want to

0:30:33.230 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>go in there. Mm-mm. Bubba's just being a bad guy today. Man,

0:30:46.100 --> 0:30:49.460
<v Speaker 2>it matches me. You know what? We catch the fame

0:30:49.500 --> 0:30:52.969
<v Speaker 2>with Bubba. Was you in the bad video? Was you

0:30:52.990 --> 0:30:54.090
<v Speaker 2>the kid in the bad video? Nah, me and that

0:30:54.130 --> 0:31:00.930
<v Speaker 2>nigga looking like that. Yeah, I did. What's your name?

0:31:00.970 --> 0:31:04.660
<v Speaker 2>My name's Brandon, I think. Brandon, uh... He was in

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the nigga from Mighty Ducks.

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:06.500
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>You know that wasn't me. I know. Y'all gotta cut

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and show the kid from the bad video so y'all

0:31:15.460 --> 0:31:20.410
<v Speaker 2>can see how they look alike. Yeah. Hey, man. My

0:31:20.430 --> 0:31:22.910
<v Speaker 2>nigga was in the people under the stairs. Yeah. Yeah.

0:31:23.030 --> 0:31:25.630
<v Speaker 2>That's a legend, bro. Shout out to bro. Shout out

0:31:25.650 --> 0:31:29.250
<v Speaker 2>to bro. It's not me. You knew that. I'm like,

0:31:29.310 --> 0:31:33.620
<v Speaker 2>you know what? I got you. I got you. I

0:31:33.660 --> 0:31:37.980
<v Speaker 2>got you. All right. Ariana Grande. Yep. Platinum out the gate.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>You're having real success. Yeah.

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:43.260
<v Speaker 1>You're having real success. Is there a plan for y'all

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.670
<v Speaker 1>as the Rascals? Or does it start to shift into like,

0:31:46.890 --> 0:31:49.130
<v Speaker 1>you know, Leon obviously still wanting to be.

0:31:49.090 --> 0:31:51.750
<v Speaker 2>An artist at that point. Yeah. Like, how are y'all

0:31:51.810 --> 0:31:55.430
<v Speaker 2>navigating the business and y'all business? For a few years,

0:31:55.450 --> 0:31:58.510
<v Speaker 2>we went hard at production and we were producing everybody. Yeah.

0:31:59.010 --> 0:32:01.930
<v Speaker 2>When the relationship started developing with Kehlani and then, you know,

0:32:01.970 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the relationship started working with Boy Wanda and I led

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to some Drake records. Yeah. But ultimately. Not just some Drake. Bro,

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.459
<v Speaker 2>you love all, bro. You got, bro, dog.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Y'all niggas got a Drake and Jay-Z record.

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:14.580
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:15.450 --> 0:32:20.150
<v Speaker 2>You just kidding. But at least.

0:32:20.230 --> 0:32:24.690
<v Speaker 1>Two of the greatest rappers, most successful rappers.

0:32:24.790 --> 0:32:27.300
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And we may not never see them niggas on

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the song again together. So, nigga, that's pretty amazing. Yeah.

0:32:32.340 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, but it's one of those things where I

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>think the end goal was always he was going to

0:32:37.780 --> 0:32:40.650
<v Speaker 2>be an artist. Yeah. And I was going to do

0:32:40.690 --> 0:32:43.370
<v Speaker 2>my thing as an executive. And I think... You know,

0:32:43.390 --> 0:32:45.170
<v Speaker 2>that was very clear. Yeah. And then it just it

0:32:45.190 --> 0:32:48.410
<v Speaker 2>just it happened, you know, and production was a means

0:32:48.630 --> 0:32:51.650
<v Speaker 2>to get into those. You know what I'm saying? We

0:32:51.670 --> 0:32:53.459
<v Speaker 2>still do it. Obviously, he does it on his art

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.620
<v Speaker 2>stuff and he's still producing for other people when, you know,

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.540
<v Speaker 2>but he's an artist. That's his thing. And then for me,

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, I'm of service. So, like, if

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.340
<v Speaker 2>I'm producing, I'm producing things that I'm encapsulating and doing

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.740
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. Right. You know, trying to guide more

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>than just doing one off session. Yeah. No, bro.

0:33:08.700 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:08.900 --> 0:33:11.420
<v Speaker 2>I quietly just went on a run, though.

0:33:12.230 --> 0:33:16.210
<v Speaker 1>Like for real, bro, like y'all really had a dope

0:33:16.810 --> 0:33:20.570
<v Speaker 1>run of records that when y'all was really focused on

0:33:20.650 --> 0:33:21.590
<v Speaker 1>the production side.

0:33:21.610 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, from obviously Drake and Jay and then

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:25.620
<v Speaker 2>Ella Mai. Yeah.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:31.340
<v Speaker 1>Like obviously Kehlani and Ariana Grande. Y'all niggas is Rick Ross, bro.

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.470
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:33:33.690 --> 0:33:36.230
<v Speaker 1>Like y'all really was getting to it. Sometimes it's one

0:33:36.250 --> 0:33:38.790
<v Speaker 1>of those things where, and that's ultimately why we have

0:33:38.810 --> 0:33:42.430
<v Speaker 1>this show, right? To truly highlight it. Because there aren't

0:33:42.450 --> 0:33:44.670
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who read credits. You really can't

0:33:44.710 --> 0:33:46.250
<v Speaker 1>read credits as much no more. You got to like

0:33:46.330 --> 0:33:50.060
<v Speaker 1>view credits on the DSPs. And then of course y'all

0:33:50.140 --> 0:33:52.100
<v Speaker 1>took y'all dumb tag off the songs.

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:56.660
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now nobody knows y'all did them unless you go

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:57.220
<v Speaker 2>search for it.

0:33:57.260 --> 0:33:59.830
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? I just want to celebrate

0:33:59.850 --> 0:34:02.100
<v Speaker 1>you for that, bro. And obviously, you know, Leon's been

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>on the show.

0:34:02.620 --> 0:34:02.989
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:03.340 --> 0:34:06.140
<v Speaker 1>And you know how proud we are of him and

0:34:06.220 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>how he's broken through from that artist side too.

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:10.780 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>But man, like just from as writer producers, man, I

0:34:13.860 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>guess it's something that, that needs to be recognized.

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.219
<v Speaker 2>No, I appreciate that, man. Keep your head down and

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.219
<v Speaker 2>doing the work. That's the main thing. Like, I think

0:34:22.260 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is who your mentors are, right?

0:34:24.540 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Because that's kind of how you learn how to operate

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.529
<v Speaker 2>in a negative way, in a positive way. You know

0:34:29.550 --> 0:34:34.210
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? And, you know, the humility that Antonio has,

0:34:34.230 --> 0:34:37.410
<v Speaker 2>the humility that Kenny has, which he will turn up

0:34:37.450 --> 0:34:41.830
<v Speaker 2>and let you know he's babyface when it's time. Babyface

0:34:42.630 --> 0:34:48.569
<v Speaker 2>goes full asshole. Yeah. Oh, niggas. But see. Respectfully. But see,

0:34:48.590 --> 0:34:50.250
<v Speaker 2>you don't be knowing. You be like, oh. I be knowing.

0:34:50.489 --> 0:34:52.810
<v Speaker 2>I be knowing. I'm like, oh. But see, that's how

0:34:53.070 --> 0:34:55.770
<v Speaker 2>I aspire to be. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

0:34:56.110 --> 0:34:58.029
<v Speaker 2>But you never hear nobody say nothing bad about Ken. No.

0:34:58.090 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Because he's always so gracious. You know what I'm saying?

0:35:01.390 --> 0:35:03.950
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you get smacked up and you don't really

0:35:03.989 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>realize it until you're like, oh shit, this nigga did you?

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.700
<v Speaker 2>But that's the key. So, you know, I think it's

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.259
<v Speaker 2>about who you surround yourself with, who you... who you

0:35:14.300 --> 0:35:16.460
<v Speaker 2>model yourself after. So for us, it was all about

0:35:16.500 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 2>putting the head down at work. You know what I'm saying?

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.090
<v Speaker 2>Like none of them niggas are both of him, Tony

0:35:21.170 --> 0:35:24.210
<v Speaker 2>and Kenny. They're not loud people. So for us, it

0:35:24.230 --> 0:35:26.850
<v Speaker 2>was just about, you know, and me specifically, it's just,

0:35:26.870 --> 0:35:28.549
<v Speaker 2>I was just putting my head down and, and, and,

0:35:28.690 --> 0:35:32.390
<v Speaker 2>and not counting other people's successes and not, you know

0:35:32.410 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? Cause I know when I get the ball,

0:35:33.930 --> 0:35:35.060
<v Speaker 2>I know what I'm gonna do with it. Right.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I just need to get in the game. That wall

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>of records. It lets you know, I still haven't done enough.

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.900
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Bro, people come to my crib and see

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the Grammys or see my wall, and I'm like, this

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>ain't nothing compared to Kenny's wall. Yeah, bro, that wall

0:35:52.110 --> 0:35:58.169
<v Speaker 2>is insane. And that wall stops, like, two decades. Yeah. So, like,

0:35:58.710 --> 0:36:00.890
<v Speaker 2>he got two decades of other walls and Grammys. He

0:36:00.930 --> 0:36:02.890
<v Speaker 2>could have a warehouse of plaques. He could have a

0:36:02.890 --> 0:36:03.650
<v Speaker 2>warehouse of plaques.

0:36:03.870 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>And, you know, like, yeah, he has his moments where he,

0:36:07.060 --> 0:36:09.980
<v Speaker 1>you know, he get his shit off, but very humble guy.

0:36:10.060 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Very gracious person.

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:16.430
<v Speaker 1>And to see that and come from under that and

0:36:16.489 --> 0:36:18.990
<v Speaker 1>to turn into an asshole, that means.

0:36:18.890 --> 0:36:20.330
<v Speaker 2>You already was just going to be an asshole.

0:36:20.370 --> 0:36:24.029
<v Speaker 1>Because if you see, you know, who this guy is

0:36:24.050 --> 0:36:26.300
<v Speaker 1>and what he's done and how.

0:36:26.140 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>He operates still as a human. Yeah.

0:36:29.540 --> 0:36:31.379
<v Speaker 1>You want to follow in that. You want to follow

0:36:31.420 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in that and you want to be that person to

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:33.800
<v Speaker 1>people as well.

0:36:34.100 --> 0:36:36.490
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? And we share in that.

0:36:38.310 --> 0:36:40.790
<v Speaker 2>That was my start too. Yeah. Brandon's way. Yeah. You

0:36:40.810 --> 0:36:41.270
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

0:36:41.350 --> 0:36:45.549
<v Speaker 1>At 18. And seeing that wall and going in there

0:36:45.570 --> 0:36:47.950
<v Speaker 1>with Paul and Paul cutting vocals for me.

0:36:48.010 --> 0:36:49.490
<v Speaker 2>And you know what I mean? Like there's just the whole,

0:36:49.610 --> 0:36:52.690
<v Speaker 2>the whole process, bro. Shout out Paul. Shout out Paul, bro.

0:36:52.830 --> 0:36:54.670
<v Speaker 2>Paul hated us when we first got here. I'm sure

0:36:54.710 --> 0:36:58.430
<v Speaker 2>he hates, you know what? Paul kind of hates everybody

0:36:58.450 --> 0:37:01.670
<v Speaker 2>but Kenny. It's the Frenchness. Yeah. Yeah. Paul kind of

0:37:01.690 --> 0:37:04.069
<v Speaker 2>hates everybody but Kenny. But Paul's another person who turned

0:37:04.090 --> 0:37:05.750
<v Speaker 2>into a great mentor. You know what I'm saying? I

0:37:05.770 --> 0:37:08.410
<v Speaker 2>remember when we first got to Brandon's way, they had

0:37:08.530 --> 0:37:10.899
<v Speaker 2>one rule, which is like, Don't go in the B room.

0:37:11.060 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 2>That's Kenny's room. Yeah. Of course. Go in the B room.

0:37:13.940 --> 0:37:15.660
<v Speaker 2>Go in the B room. Of course. We had, you know,

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>we had a pizza party and shit. Homegirls came through. Nigga,

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:24.300
<v Speaker 2>we locked ourselves out the room. Oh, my God. Speakers

0:37:24.340 --> 0:37:24.780
<v Speaker 2>is blaring.

0:37:24.780 --> 0:37:24.980
<v Speaker 1>808.

0:37:24.980 --> 0:37:25.300
<v Speaker 2>Boom.

0:37:25.590 --> 0:37:26.030
<v Speaker 1>Boom.

0:37:26.390 --> 0:37:31.350
<v Speaker 2>Boom. For the whole weekend. Kenny in Hawaii. Oh, shit.

0:37:31.450 --> 0:37:34.250
<v Speaker 2>He in Hawaii on a vacation trip. On a vacation. Uh-huh.

0:37:34.550 --> 0:37:39.410
<v Speaker 2>With the family. And Paul comes in that Monday. And

0:37:39.450 --> 0:37:42.690
<v Speaker 2>it's still going? Still going. He like, who the fuck

0:37:42.710 --> 0:37:45.250
<v Speaker 2>was in this? Y'all was in the studio. We're like, oh, shit.

0:37:45.770 --> 0:37:47.390
<v Speaker 2>He gets on the phone. You know, he called Kenny.

0:37:47.410 --> 0:37:50.180
<v Speaker 2>He snitched on us. He tells Paul, so we packing

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 2>our shit up off. Sad and shit. Like, damn, we

0:37:52.660 --> 0:37:56.109
<v Speaker 2>just blew our shot at Brandon's way. It's over. Okay. Nigga,

0:37:57.130 --> 0:38:00.810
<v Speaker 2>they get a call from Epic. There's a record that

0:38:00.850 --> 0:38:03.930
<v Speaker 2>we did on a girl group that Pete Farmer, I

0:38:03.930 --> 0:38:05.589
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you remember Pete Farmer. That's my guy.

0:38:05.670 --> 0:38:07.870
<v Speaker 2>I just saw Pete last week at the mall. That's

0:38:07.910 --> 0:38:10.569
<v Speaker 2>my guy. He had this girl group called, I can't

0:38:10.590 --> 0:38:13.990
<v Speaker 2>remember his name, Girls Something. And we produced a record.

0:38:14.070 --> 0:38:17.490
<v Speaker 2>And L.A. was like loving the record. So we walking

0:38:17.510 --> 0:38:19.219
<v Speaker 2>out the door. And I kid you not, Paul comes

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>out and says, hey, bring your stuff back in. Bring

0:38:22.100 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 2>your stuff back in. Put those files because L.A. loves

0:38:24.700 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>that song. And, you know, they're going to place it

0:38:26.739 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 2>on the girl group. We'll do the whoop. The record

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 2>saved y'all. The record saved us. Y'all really got kicked out.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.310
<v Speaker 2>We really got kicked out. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. The

0:38:36.350 --> 0:38:39.790
<v Speaker 2>power of music. A hit changes everything. Yeah. A hit

0:38:39.830 --> 0:38:43.730
<v Speaker 2>changes everything. And that's like across the board. Yes. Man,

0:38:44.210 --> 0:38:47.070
<v Speaker 2>I am in full agreeance with you on that. Yeah. Yeah.

0:38:47.290 --> 0:38:49.650
<v Speaker 2>That is wild, though. I didn't think that's where the

0:38:49.670 --> 0:38:53.919
<v Speaker 2>story was going. Yeah. So, shout out L.A. Hey, man,

0:38:53.940 --> 0:38:58.700
<v Speaker 2>shout out. L.A., that's my dog. That's my dog and

0:38:58.780 --> 0:39:02.180
<v Speaker 2>a hell of an executive. Yeah. Hell of a record man. Yeah.

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:07.810
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? He can hear a hit record. Yeah. Yeah. Nigga.

0:39:09.130 --> 0:39:10.070
<v Speaker 2>That one got me stuck.

0:39:10.250 --> 0:39:13.690
<v Speaker 1>That one got me stuck, bro, because I've been on

0:39:14.330 --> 0:39:19.299
<v Speaker 1>the other side of that. You know, maybe some young

0:39:19.340 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>guys who don't get it yet.

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.950
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And having to teach that lesson. Yeah. And you

0:39:24.989 --> 0:39:26.730
<v Speaker 2>don't want to, though, because you're just like, damn, I

0:39:26.770 --> 0:39:31.980
<v Speaker 2>really want to help these niggas. Stop being. niggas you

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.020
<v Speaker 2>know what i mean but i told y'all it's like

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:36.940
<v Speaker 2>your dad leaving the keys to the ferrari and being

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.580
<v Speaker 2>like don't drive it you're gonna fucking drive it yeah

0:39:39.620 --> 0:39:42.540
<v Speaker 2>you know this is also our business it is and

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that's right yeah that's the part that at our age

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.350
<v Speaker 2>when we're that young You don't always get. Yeah.

0:39:48.530 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And we, you know, and this is a business of,

0:39:50.780 --> 0:39:58.580
<v Speaker 1>you know, of youth at times where immensely talented young creatives.

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Don't have business acumen. That taught me the lesson. Yeah. Of,

0:40:03.420 --> 0:40:04.930
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be in the hot seat. Like,

0:40:04.950 --> 0:40:07.110
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying? If somebody says don't do it,

0:40:07.530 --> 0:40:09.189
<v Speaker 2>just don't do it. I'm cool. I'm off it. Yeah.

0:40:10.430 --> 0:40:13.670
<v Speaker 2>All right. So all this is happening. You get kicked out,

0:40:13.690 --> 0:40:14.690
<v Speaker 2>you get brought back in.

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 1>You think you got a hit record that's bringing you

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:17.910
<v Speaker 1>back in.

0:40:17.969 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that never came out. But don't come out because

0:40:20.610 --> 0:40:22.950
<v Speaker 2>that happens a lot. Yeah, yeah. You know.

0:40:29.830 --> 0:40:30.430
<v Speaker 1>What I mean?

0:40:31.469 --> 0:40:35.950
<v Speaker 2>And then Snooze happened. Yeah, Snooze happened. That's just probably like,

0:40:37.250 --> 0:40:38.710
<v Speaker 2>I mean, me and Leon hit the pavement, I want

0:40:38.730 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>to say, for a good eight to nine days. damn,

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:49.980
<v Speaker 2>probably 10 years, bro. Producing everybody. Yeah. And Snooze came

0:40:50.020 --> 0:40:53.940
<v Speaker 2>about because Babyface was doing a record called Girls Night Out.

0:40:53.980 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Girls Night Out. Absolutely. And we had been trying to

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.509
<v Speaker 2>convince him to do A Waitin' to Excel for a

0:40:58.550 --> 0:41:01.130
<v Speaker 2>very long time. I was very excited when he was

0:41:01.170 --> 0:41:03.110
<v Speaker 2>doing Girls Night Out. And so him and Rika met

0:41:03.230 --> 0:41:06.189
<v Speaker 2>and they started their thing. Shout out Rika. And Rika

0:41:06.230 --> 0:41:08.310
<v Speaker 2>was the one that kind of finally convinced him like, dude,

0:41:08.370 --> 0:41:11.589
<v Speaker 2>you're And this is his first project at Capitol, right?

0:41:11.610 --> 0:41:15.089
<v Speaker 2>With Chris Turner? Yeah, his first project at Capitol. And,

0:41:15.489 --> 0:41:17.350
<v Speaker 2>you know, Kenny... Shout out Chris Turner, too. Yeah, shout

0:41:17.370 --> 0:41:18.830
<v Speaker 2>out Chris Turner. He knows who he is, but I

0:41:18.830 --> 0:41:21.330
<v Speaker 2>think sometimes, you know, when you've been out of the

0:41:21.469 --> 0:41:24.270
<v Speaker 2>artist part for so long, and it's a new generation

0:41:24.310 --> 0:41:27.420
<v Speaker 2>of all these artists, you kind of... You lose your way.

0:41:27.550 --> 0:41:29.230
<v Speaker 2>Lose your way a little bit. And, you know, she

0:41:29.270 --> 0:41:32.489
<v Speaker 2>put the battery in his back, and he was like,

0:41:32.550 --> 0:41:34.069
<v Speaker 2>I want to do it. And so he hit me,

0:41:34.110 --> 0:41:36.210
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, yo, can you produce this for me?

0:41:36.330 --> 0:41:39.740
<v Speaker 2>Produce this with me. So... One of the first sessions

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.620
<v Speaker 2>that we had was SZA. Oh, to have her on

0:41:42.660 --> 0:41:44.739
<v Speaker 2>Girls Night Out. Yeah. We did two songs. I did

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 2>a song with D-Mile. And then I did, me and

0:41:47.620 --> 0:41:52.510
<v Speaker 2>Leon did the Snooze one. And, you know, SZA wrote

0:41:52.989 --> 0:41:56.029
<v Speaker 2>it in 10 minutes. It was a freestyle. Yeah. The

0:41:56.050 --> 0:41:58.089
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. Like, you know, we did the track and

0:41:58.830 --> 0:42:00.850
<v Speaker 2>she wrote the song in like 10 minutes. And so

0:42:02.710 --> 0:42:05.830
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear anything. I went in and brought Kehlani on

0:42:05.850 --> 0:42:07.830
<v Speaker 2>the album. We did the Ella stuff and all the

0:42:07.890 --> 0:42:09.050
<v Speaker 2>other joints or whatever.

0:42:09.070 --> 0:42:14.230
<v Speaker 1>So your first time hearing it, though, from the top line,

0:42:14.250 --> 0:42:15.910
<v Speaker 1>the lyric and melody side of it, though, when she

0:42:15.969 --> 0:42:19.510
<v Speaker 1>freestyles this record, do you feel any different?

0:42:20.290 --> 0:42:22.450
<v Speaker 2>Be honest. Did you feel any different? Did you just like, yeah,

0:42:22.650 --> 0:42:24.290
<v Speaker 2>it's cool. It's a great record. All right, cool. Next thing.

0:42:25.270 --> 0:42:28.650
<v Speaker 2>I think the thing that I remember telling Kenny and

0:42:28.690 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Leon was that I felt that it was her first

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:36.410
<v Speaker 2>love song. Ah. That's what I felt. Now, I'm not

0:42:37.230 --> 0:42:41.350
<v Speaker 2>super versed in the old back catalog. But to you.

0:42:41.489 --> 0:42:43.489
<v Speaker 2>But to me, it felt like it was her first

0:42:43.530 --> 0:42:47.529
<v Speaker 2>love song. And it was almost kind of like it

0:42:47.550 --> 0:42:50.549
<v Speaker 2>was different for her. Because all the stuff that I

0:42:50.590 --> 0:42:56.730
<v Speaker 2>remember her doing was very different. It was more attitude

0:42:56.790 --> 0:42:59.650
<v Speaker 2>or more introspective. This was just a straight up and

0:42:59.690 --> 0:43:04.549
<v Speaker 2>down love song. And I was like, If booed up,

0:43:05.670 --> 0:43:08.649
<v Speaker 2>touched people, it's going to fuck people up. Yeah, yeah.

0:43:09.150 --> 0:43:12.550
<v Speaker 2>The thing about that is, with her, you just never

0:43:12.570 --> 0:43:14.950
<v Speaker 2>know when stuff is going to come out. Because she

0:43:14.989 --> 0:43:17.390
<v Speaker 2>goes and, you know. That's how she feels. She goes

0:43:17.450 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and does her thing. And so what actually got the

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>record to go was her engineer at the time, who's

0:43:23.260 --> 0:43:26.660
<v Speaker 2>a massive producer now, Rob Beisel. He did Kill Bill

0:43:27.340 --> 0:43:29.419
<v Speaker 2>and majority of the records with Carter Lang on this

0:43:29.980 --> 0:43:32.980
<v Speaker 2>SOS album. He was my neighbor. He lived like down

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the street from me. So he lived in Inglewood. And

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.020
<v Speaker 2>so LA, LA. Yeah. And so we just, he was

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.609
<v Speaker 2>just the engineer though. We didn't know that he was

0:43:41.090 --> 0:43:43.530
<v Speaker 2>had tracks that she was cutting too. Cause none SOS

0:43:43.550 --> 0:43:46.690
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist yet. It was just, yeah. You know, she

0:43:46.710 --> 0:43:49.670
<v Speaker 2>just was making music. And so Rob came to my

0:43:49.710 --> 0:43:51.989
<v Speaker 2>crib and we were in the back. I had a

0:43:52.010 --> 0:43:54.989
<v Speaker 2>studio that I had built and, uh, we were just

0:43:55.030 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>kicking it and I pulled up tunes and I was like, yo, like,

0:43:58.510 --> 0:43:59.989
<v Speaker 2>something's got to happen with this. He was like, dude,

0:44:00.010 --> 0:44:02.070
<v Speaker 2>song so good. He had never heard it. He heard it.

0:44:02.110 --> 0:44:04.990
<v Speaker 2>He cut the demo, but it was just kind of reminder.

0:44:05.050 --> 0:44:06.870
<v Speaker 2>She cuts the bajillion records. You know what I'm saying?

0:44:06.950 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>And so he was like, give me the files. I'll

0:44:11.100 --> 0:44:12.819
<v Speaker 2>make sure she hears it again. So he put it

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.379
<v Speaker 2>on loop and, uh, she had forgot about the song

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, when did I do this? Oh shit.

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.710
<v Speaker 2>She's like, it's so good. She recut it. She fixed

0:44:23.750 --> 0:44:29.169
<v Speaker 2>a little, little bits and pieces here and there. And, uh, Yeah,

0:44:29.190 --> 0:44:31.870
<v Speaker 2>maybe like eight months later it came out. Because it

0:44:31.890 --> 0:44:35.129
<v Speaker 2>was a surprise drop. Nobody knew it was coming out. TDE? Yeah,

0:44:35.210 --> 0:44:38.140
<v Speaker 2>they just... They work how they work. Yeah.

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So that was crazy. And then you won your first Grammy.

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:50.890
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How did that feel? It felt cool. I don't know.

0:44:50.910 --> 0:44:52.190
<v Speaker 2>I think when you're in the moment, you know, it

0:44:52.210 --> 0:44:54.190
<v Speaker 2>was cool to win with Leon. That's my boy. Did

0:44:55.410 --> 0:44:57.819
<v Speaker 2>you take your whole family to the show? Yeah, I did.

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.050
<v Speaker 2>I took my whole family to the show. They charge

0:45:00.070 --> 0:45:03.989
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money for them tickets, don't they? You know, well, yeah,

0:45:04.030 --> 0:45:05.850
<v Speaker 2>for my mom and dad. They still got to buy

0:45:05.890 --> 0:45:10.509
<v Speaker 2>some tickets. They give you one extra one. But yeah,

0:45:10.530 --> 0:45:13.750
<v Speaker 2>they charge an arm and leg. But it was worth it. Absolutely.

0:45:13.790 --> 0:45:16.350
<v Speaker 2>And that was kind of crazy because usually R &amp;

0:45:16.130 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>B is never telecast. It's never on a live show.

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:23.379
<v Speaker 2>It's usually the show before. So when they were like, yeah,

0:45:23.420 --> 0:45:25.060
<v Speaker 2>your stuff is going to be, your category is going

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.450
<v Speaker 2>to be on TV. So we're actually pushing it to

0:45:28.650 --> 0:45:32.870
<v Speaker 2>the 5 p.m. Yeah. Oh, fuck. You changed your outfit?

0:45:33.410 --> 0:45:35.029
<v Speaker 2>Did you get a different outfit because you're not going

0:45:35.050 --> 0:45:36.750
<v Speaker 2>to be on TV? No, I didn't change my outfit. Actually,

0:45:36.770 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 2>them niggas didn't let us on stage. Oh, you didn't

0:45:38.820 --> 0:45:40.380
<v Speaker 2>go on stage? We didn't go on stage that time.

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.950
<v Speaker 2>But I went on stage a second time. Because you

0:45:42.969 --> 0:45:45.819
<v Speaker 2>do have a second time. We're going to get to that.

0:45:45.860 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get to that. Yeah, but it was

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot going on. So we just, you know, me

0:45:49.260 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and Leon hugged and we celebrated and we went backstage

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:53.980
<v Speaker 2>and we took our joints.

0:45:54.100 --> 0:45:57.339
<v Speaker 1>Does the Grammy take the fee up? Did you have

0:45:57.380 --> 0:45:59.420
<v Speaker 1>that conversation? Did y'all have that conversation? Like, you nigga,

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:00.219
<v Speaker 1>we won a Grammy, bro.

0:46:01.060 --> 0:46:03.970
<v Speaker 2>I think it just naturally, it is. Yeah. We didn't

0:46:04.010 --> 0:46:05.690
<v Speaker 2>have a conversation. No, just not.

0:46:05.730 --> 0:46:09.489
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I ain't never won a Grammy. I'm having a

0:46:09.890 --> 0:46:13.210
<v Speaker 1>bad Joe moment. Yeah.

0:46:13.250 --> 0:46:16.549
<v Speaker 2>Today's price is not yesterday's price. Yesterday's price is not

0:46:16.570 --> 0:46:19.469
<v Speaker 2>today's price. I haven't held a nigga. Sue me. You

0:46:19.489 --> 0:46:22.779
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? But I'm going up. Yeah. I'm

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.339
<v Speaker 2>going up. Yeah. Yeah. We, I just, you know, I think,

0:46:26.510 --> 0:46:29.210
<v Speaker 2>it just naturally happens. Yeah. Yeah, it just naturally happens.

0:46:29.810 --> 0:46:31.710
<v Speaker 2>I felt like she went from.

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Sold-out theaters to sold-out arenas to being on a stadium

0:46:39.060 --> 0:46:39.500
<v Speaker 1>tour in a.

0:46:39.500 --> 0:46:42.660
<v Speaker 2>Matter of like, bop, bop, bop, between these like... Bro,

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.610
<v Speaker 2>she did Madison Square Garden. Between like 18 months. It

0:46:45.630 --> 0:46:48.189
<v Speaker 2>just seemed like it's the world... Nigga, the song came

0:46:48.250 --> 0:46:52.730
<v Speaker 2>out in December. She did Madison Square Garden in March. Wow.

0:46:54.190 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Because I was in New York. I flew out to

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>New York for the show. Yeah. Because at that time,

0:46:58.460 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I was still SVP at Aristid. Okay. So I was

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 2>working at Aristid. And when that record came out, I

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was at Aristid for like five years. So, you know, I,

0:47:10.340 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and our office was in New York. So I went

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.240
<v Speaker 2>out there and I saw, I remember we had signed

0:47:13.260 --> 0:47:15.170
<v Speaker 2>Lola Brooke and had the Don't Play With It record.

0:47:15.930 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Lola had her first performance at Barclays Center. And I

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.129
<v Speaker 2>hopped on the train and went all the way down

0:47:21.170 --> 0:47:23.489
<v Speaker 2>to Madison Square Garden to catch SZA. Were you living

0:47:23.530 --> 0:47:25.450
<v Speaker 2>in L.A. when you were working for Airstream? Yeah. You

0:47:25.570 --> 0:47:29.290
<v Speaker 2>moved out there, too. No, I was just out there

0:47:29.330 --> 0:47:32.190
<v Speaker 2>all the time. And you didn't, like, officially live in

0:47:32.210 --> 0:47:33.569
<v Speaker 2>New York? No, no, I didn't officially live in New York. Okay, okay.

0:47:33.700 --> 0:47:36.060
<v Speaker 2>You were just out there? Just out there, yeah. But

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:37.380
<v Speaker 2>it was crazy to see. I didn't know you there

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.989
<v Speaker 2>for five years. Yeah. Damn, time be flying, bro. Time

0:47:40.010 --> 0:47:41.790
<v Speaker 2>be flying. What artists did you sign when you had Airstar?

0:47:42.010 --> 0:47:44.469
<v Speaker 2>We had Lola. We had Paul Russell, who had the

0:47:44.510 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Lil Booth thing record. Okay. We had this girl, Iman,

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>who was really, really dope. But, you know, they were

0:47:49.500 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>a new label. And I think they were just trying

0:47:51.100 --> 0:47:52.700
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how... Who was the president at that time?

0:47:53.180 --> 0:47:56.819
<v Speaker 2>It was David Massey, who's an amazing mentor and an

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.790
<v Speaker 2>amazing guy. But, you know, he's a pop guy. And

0:47:59.810 --> 0:48:02.740
<v Speaker 2>I think that when you have Urban X, it's... There's

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a disconnect. There's a disconnect. It can be a little

0:48:04.180 --> 0:48:07.430
<v Speaker 2>bit of a disconnect. It's a different process in our genre. Like,

0:48:07.690 --> 0:48:09.529
<v Speaker 2>so when we look at the artists that we, we, we,

0:48:09.570 --> 0:48:11.270
<v Speaker 2>we look at as, you know, the R &amp; B

0:48:12.050 --> 0:48:15.270
<v Speaker 2>heavy hitters now, like the SZA's and the Kehlani's and

0:48:15.450 --> 0:48:19.390
<v Speaker 2>the Leon's, right? Like it took 10 years. It did.

0:48:19.810 --> 0:48:22.170
<v Speaker 2>For each one of these artists to get to where

0:48:22.190 --> 0:48:24.489
<v Speaker 2>they're at. 10 plus years, right? So because I think

0:48:24.510 --> 0:48:27.330
<v Speaker 2>the music feeds a soul, it being soul music, you know,

0:48:27.350 --> 0:48:29.469
<v Speaker 2>there's a, there's a, there's a sense of authenticity that

0:48:29.489 --> 0:48:31.410
<v Speaker 2>you have to have and have to develop over time

0:48:31.910 --> 0:48:35.300
<v Speaker 2>to be, You know, at the highest level. And sometimes

0:48:35.340 --> 0:48:36.779
<v Speaker 2>I think on a pop side, it's just a little

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.339
<v Speaker 2>bit less patient, you know, for that process when you're

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:42.690
<v Speaker 2>a new label. And then also it was like during

0:48:42.710 --> 0:48:45.710
<v Speaker 2>that time when I started there was 2020, 2020, 2020

0:48:45.710 --> 0:48:49.970
<v Speaker 2>was a pandemic. And the metrics of what you're signing

0:48:50.010 --> 0:48:52.219
<v Speaker 2>and how you're navigating was different. At first I started

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.779
<v Speaker 2>my job there. It was, you know, what's going viral,

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.540
<v Speaker 2>what's going viral, what's going viral. So you're chasing, chasing, chasing, chasing, chasing.

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 2>then everything gets inflated. Now they're like, find a new

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.940
<v Speaker 2>thing before it goes viral. So by that, when I

0:49:01.980 --> 0:49:04.440
<v Speaker 2>was exiting, it was all about finding a new, new

0:49:04.500 --> 0:49:06.700
<v Speaker 2>and developing, which it should have been that all the

0:49:06.739 --> 0:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>way along, all the way, you know, from the beginning,

0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:09.799
<v Speaker 2>but you.

0:49:09.739 --> 0:49:15.230
<v Speaker 1>Know, how'd you enjoy or not enjoy your experience as, um,

0:49:15.310 --> 0:49:16.150
<v Speaker 1>label executive.

0:49:16.570 --> 0:49:19.750
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it because it taught me how artists view,

0:49:21.020 --> 0:49:23.089
<v Speaker 2>label executives. Oh, you didn't.

0:49:24.310 --> 0:49:24.430
<v Speaker 1>Know?

0:49:24.670 --> 0:49:27.890
<v Speaker 2>Because, I mean, the executives that I had in my

0:49:27.930 --> 0:49:33.130
<v Speaker 2>vicinity were people that were also musically inclined, like an L.A.

0:49:33.170 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Reid or a Babyface. So their interaction was just a

0:49:36.660 --> 0:49:40.660
<v Speaker 2>little bit different with artists than it was. Even Wendy Goldstein.

0:49:40.820 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I remember Wendy coming in being like, I got this kid, Abel,

0:49:46.940 --> 0:49:49.910
<v Speaker 2>and I put him in with this guy named Max Martin,

0:49:50.330 --> 0:49:52.690
<v Speaker 2>and they did this song. It's like Michael Jackson. It's

0:49:52.710 --> 0:49:54.770
<v Speaker 2>called Can't Feel My Face. And she played it, and

0:49:54.870 --> 0:49:57.270
<v Speaker 2>it was just a demo version of it. And we

0:49:57.290 --> 0:50:00.310
<v Speaker 2>were like, what the fuck? But Wendy's a winner. And

0:50:00.370 --> 0:50:04.140
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't see the back and forth a lot

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that people were going through. You know what I'm saying?

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.500
<v Speaker 2>It was like coming and working with somebody like Ariana,

0:50:09.660 --> 0:50:12.439
<v Speaker 2>for the most part during that process, it was really

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 2>what she said went when it came with records. If

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 2>she loved something, it was coming out. So, you know,

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:19.430
<v Speaker 2>we weren't really like... We had a different type of power.

0:50:19.550 --> 0:50:21.310
<v Speaker 2>We had a different type of power, you know? So

0:50:21.370 --> 0:50:24.250
<v Speaker 2>we didn't really understand that portion. I did learn quickly

0:50:24.310 --> 0:50:29.470
<v Speaker 2>that like, yo, like, you know, teams, management is so important. Right.

0:50:29.489 --> 0:50:30.109
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying?

0:50:30.130 --> 0:50:33.210
<v Speaker 1>Because I think from the executive side too, you find

0:50:33.250 --> 0:50:34.910
<v Speaker 1>yourself being all.

0:50:35.570 --> 0:50:37.689
<v Speaker 2>Everything. You're definitely part of the team. Yeah.

0:50:37.730 --> 0:50:40.390
<v Speaker 1>You're helping with management. If management is not that good,

0:50:40.450 --> 0:50:43.660
<v Speaker 1>somehow you end up being the manager.

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.620
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Even though you're not being paid to be. Bro,

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.900
<v Speaker 2>we was doing everything. So, you know, it was just

0:50:47.980 --> 0:50:50.089
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where, It just taught me that

0:50:50.110 --> 0:50:52.430
<v Speaker 2>you got to be everything, and that's just part of

0:50:52.450 --> 0:50:54.110
<v Speaker 2>the game. Yeah, to get it across the finish line.

0:50:54.130 --> 0:50:55.810
<v Speaker 2>To get it across the finish line. And I was

0:50:55.850 --> 0:50:58.489
<v Speaker 2>the only music man in the building, besides Massey. You

0:50:58.510 --> 0:51:00.090
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I was the

0:51:00.130 --> 0:51:03.270
<v Speaker 2>only person that could really speak the language. So the

0:51:03.290 --> 0:51:06.219
<v Speaker 2>thing that I did really pick up is that the

0:51:06.410 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 2>artists have to want it. It's like a child. It's like,

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:12.340
<v Speaker 2>if you got a child and the child wants to

0:51:12.380 --> 0:51:13.860
<v Speaker 2>be great, I could take you as far as you

0:51:13.900 --> 0:51:15.340
<v Speaker 2>want to go. You know what I'm saying? But if

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.540
<v Speaker 2>you want to fucking sit on the couch and play

0:51:17.580 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>video games, because... You got to look. It's not going

0:51:19.940 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 2>to get no better. Yeah. It's not going to get better.

0:51:21.580 --> 0:51:22.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, and at the end of the day, it's like,

0:51:23.180 --> 0:51:27.180
<v Speaker 2>dad is rich. You're not rich. So, you know, you

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 2>got to get your ass up and work. So I

0:51:29.020 --> 0:51:33.210
<v Speaker 2>think sometimes it's just, it's hard to put that motivation,

0:51:33.450 --> 0:51:35.770
<v Speaker 2>even if somebody is talented or if they are having

0:51:35.810 --> 0:51:38.690
<v Speaker 2>a run. And I always compare it to sports. You

0:51:38.710 --> 0:51:40.130
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? You're a basketball guy. You know,

0:51:40.170 --> 0:51:41.549
<v Speaker 2>like the first thing you do, whether you win or

0:51:41.570 --> 0:51:45.180
<v Speaker 2>lose in a game, no matter what level you're at,

0:51:45.380 --> 0:51:49.060
<v Speaker 2>you're watching film. Where did I do the best? Where

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.419
<v Speaker 2>did I fuck up? Where are they taking advantage of us?

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>You got to study.

0:51:53.060 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm a name drop because I think she's amazing and

0:51:56.180 --> 0:51:59.739
<v Speaker 1>so great. But I was having that conversation with Kelly

0:51:59.780 --> 0:52:03.140
<v Speaker 1>Rowland the other night. And, you know, Kelly comes from

0:52:03.700 --> 0:52:07.569
<v Speaker 1>real artist development. You know, they they're going to practice

0:52:07.590 --> 0:52:08.240
<v Speaker 1>until it's right.

0:52:08.340 --> 0:52:11.969
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And but they're also very well studied. Yes.

0:52:12.450 --> 0:52:14.549
<v Speaker 1>And I was telling her that that's one of my

0:52:14.710 --> 0:52:18.410
<v Speaker 1>issues with. the newer generation of artists that I personally meet,

0:52:18.450 --> 0:52:20.150
<v Speaker 1>not even just on some, like me just seeing it

0:52:20.690 --> 0:52:22.890
<v Speaker 1>from across the room. No, me like having conversations and

0:52:22.910 --> 0:52:24.779
<v Speaker 1>been like, wait, so you never studied this.

0:52:24.820 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 2>So you don't, you know what I mean?

0:52:25.580 --> 0:52:27.500
<v Speaker 1>Like you want to do this, but you don't really,

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:33.259
<v Speaker 1>you haven't fully jumped in to learn as much as

0:52:33.300 --> 0:52:37.460
<v Speaker 1>you possibly can about the type of artist you're trying

0:52:37.500 --> 0:52:37.819
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:52:38.010 --> 0:52:40.390
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Cause somebody has been you before you. Going back

0:52:40.410 --> 0:52:43.280
<v Speaker 2>to our conversation earlier, where i was making the comments

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:47.140
<v Speaker 2>of kaylani being a new tlc yeah or ariana being

0:52:47.180 --> 0:52:49.540
<v Speaker 2>a new mariah carey you know from from my eyes

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:52.620
<v Speaker 2>i was a big history buff i love music i

0:52:52.660 --> 0:52:55.740
<v Speaker 2>grew up on hearing all kinds of music so everybody's

0:52:55.780 --> 0:52:58.900
<v Speaker 2>been even michael jackson fred astaire james brown like if

0:52:58.980 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 2>michael had people that he emulated and just did it

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.140
<v Speaker 2>better or took it up to another level there's no

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:07.850
<v Speaker 2>fucking excuse and you are are an idiot if you

0:53:07.870 --> 0:53:09.469
<v Speaker 2>think that you're inventing something.

0:53:09.210 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Right When you talk to the OGs, right? You talk

0:53:11.660 --> 0:53:14.980
<v Speaker 1>to the Charlie Wilsons. You talk to the Jeffrey Osborns.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.779
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of these guys who were on the

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>road with Mike. And they're like, oh, Mike would sneak

0:53:20.980 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to our dressing room.

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.300
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

0:53:24.140 --> 0:53:26.790
<v Speaker 1>And ask as many questions as he could. Or he

0:53:26.810 --> 0:53:28.770
<v Speaker 1>would be on the side of the stage just watching.

0:53:29.469 --> 0:53:31.630
<v Speaker 2>Bro, you know who does that shit too well? And

0:53:31.650 --> 0:53:33.589
<v Speaker 2>I don't think people talk about it enough. Who's that?

0:53:33.690 --> 0:53:36.910
<v Speaker 2>Bruno Mars. Oh, my God. Like, even when you look

0:53:36.950 --> 0:53:42.069
<v Speaker 2>at something that's like... Not too high on his horse

0:53:42.820 --> 0:53:46.529
<v Speaker 2>to be a fan. Bruno will take shit. Like, remember,

0:53:46.630 --> 0:53:49.209
<v Speaker 2>don't believe me, just watch. Of course. Bro, the fact

0:53:49.230 --> 0:53:56.150
<v Speaker 2>that he's able to sample Trinidad and James. Yeah. Don't

0:53:56.170 --> 0:53:58.430
<v Speaker 2>believe me, just watch. Nigga, nigga, nigga. And then turn

0:53:58.450 --> 0:54:03.819
<v Speaker 2>it into instrumentation. Don't believe me. It's like, it's ingenious. Yeah,

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>it is. But he's studying. Yeah. He's studying shit that's

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.969
<v Speaker 2>not even... You know what I'm saying? Like, that's some

0:54:11.010 --> 0:54:12.850
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson shit. You know what I'm saying?

0:54:12.870 --> 0:54:17.649
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think that's a deeper conversation about some

0:54:17.710 --> 0:54:22.670
<v Speaker 1>of the other races that have studied R &amp; B

0:54:22.730 --> 0:54:26.420
<v Speaker 1>music and even other places in the world that have

0:54:26.460 --> 0:54:29.839
<v Speaker 1>studied R &amp; B music the way that they have. And,

0:54:30.100 --> 0:54:32.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, some people have their issues with it. Like, oh,

0:54:32.340 --> 0:54:34.060
<v Speaker 1>they just take from this, that, and the other. I'm like,

0:54:34.100 --> 0:54:38.630
<v Speaker 1>but I'm appreciative of how well studied they are yeah

0:54:39.530 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>yeah because some of this you know you hear certain

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.700
<v Speaker 1>notes you hear certain inflections and you're like oh that

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it's not easy to learn it's not they spent.

0:54:47.780 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Hours and hours and hours learning that and.

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.420
<v Speaker 1>You gotta respect that yeah anybody that puts in the

0:54:52.460 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>work you can't just throw away they work as if

0:54:55.700 --> 0:54:58.620
<v Speaker 1>it's so what why because they're not black or they're

0:54:58.660 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>not this or they're not that it's like that's actually

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.419
<v Speaker 1>great still though yeah and the only way it got

0:55:03.460 --> 0:55:06.400
<v Speaker 1>great is that they studied it yeah and practiced it

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:11.390
<v Speaker 1>yeah And to me, I'm hoping and I'm hopeful that

0:55:11.510 --> 0:55:15.549
<v Speaker 1>more of our young black artists really get in a

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.760
<v Speaker 1>study bag and start watching film.

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? I tell every young artist

0:55:21.060 --> 0:55:26.450
<v Speaker 2>that I meet, I'm like, now it's extremely available to you.

0:55:26.469 --> 0:55:27.850
<v Speaker 1>Back then, we had to try to figure out how

0:55:27.870 --> 0:55:30.710
<v Speaker 1>to get the Motown 25 tape and all this other shit.

0:55:30.750 --> 0:55:33.170
<v Speaker 1>And if I can get some footage of James Brown

0:55:33.250 --> 0:55:35.730
<v Speaker 1>or You know what I mean? Or DeBarge and seeing

0:55:35.750 --> 0:55:37.670
<v Speaker 1>how they did it. Now it's like, just go to YouTube.

0:55:37.810 --> 0:55:40.009
<v Speaker 2>You did DeBarge because your hair curly. Come on, man.

0:55:42.030 --> 0:55:44.310
<v Speaker 2>This shit from the womb. You know what I mean?

0:55:44.370 --> 0:55:45.550
<v Speaker 2>Ain't no S-curl. What?

0:55:46.190 --> 0:55:49.140
<v Speaker 1>Came out like this. They said they woke up like this. No,

0:55:49.170 --> 0:55:52.180
<v Speaker 1>I came out like this. That's a difference.

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:53.239
<v Speaker 2>It's different. You know what I mean?

0:55:53.260 --> 0:55:55.739
<v Speaker 1>Because you could have been asleep with a do-rag on.

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 1>So you woke up like it. No, I came out

0:55:58.320 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the womb.

0:55:59.660 --> 0:56:03.069
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Different. Different. Yeah. Those things

0:56:03.110 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to me are important. Yeah. And it's important to our

0:56:06.620 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>future in this game. It is. It is. It's so important.

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 2>And what we will mean to this thing. Yeah. I mean,

0:56:12.020 --> 0:56:13.420
<v Speaker 2>like when people talk about.

0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:19.270
<v Speaker 1>The greats of, you know, the last generation and now,

0:56:19.570 --> 0:56:22.490
<v Speaker 1>and you think of a Jasmine Sullivan.

0:56:22.710 --> 0:56:22.950
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:56:23.890 --> 0:56:27.350
<v Speaker 1>You don't get to that vocally without studying. You don't

0:56:27.390 --> 0:56:30.779
<v Speaker 1>get to a Chris Brown level. Without studying the way

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:32.180
<v Speaker 1>he studied the game.

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:32.759
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:36.210
<v Speaker 1>That's why there are people who are arguing.

0:56:36.469 --> 0:56:40.529
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is he on the level or is he higher

0:56:41.290 --> 0:56:44.790
<v Speaker 2>than Mike? Yeah. Just that in itself. I know that, brother.

0:56:44.810 --> 0:56:48.169
<v Speaker 2>You know that, brother. For him, that is like, oh, nigga, like,

0:56:48.770 --> 0:56:49.339
<v Speaker 2>this is it.

0:56:49.430 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Because he knows how much work he's put in and

0:56:52.460 --> 0:56:55.839
<v Speaker 1>studied to get to that conversation. Yeah.

0:56:56.780 --> 0:56:59.700
<v Speaker 2>That is not a conversation that everybody gets thrown into. No, no, no, no, no.

0:56:59.860 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Not at all. It's just not. You know what I mean?

0:57:01.700 --> 0:57:06.110
<v Speaker 1>So that in itself just tells you, oh, he's taking

0:57:06.150 --> 0:57:07.010
<v Speaker 1>it to a different level.

0:57:07.090 --> 0:57:07.290
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:57:07.390 --> 0:57:09.069
<v Speaker 1>He's taking it to a different level, man, and he's

0:57:09.390 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>fully locked in. Let's get to your next friend.

0:57:21.420 --> 0:57:24.189
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm. To fold it, bro. Yeah.

0:57:24.650 --> 0:57:26.290
<v Speaker 1>But even before we get to fold it, though, and

0:57:26.310 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 1>this is something I want to spotlight and highlight.

0:57:29.300 --> 0:57:32.660
<v Speaker 2>Bro, you executive produced the album, though. Yeah. That is

0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:37.620
<v Speaker 2>not easy. No. No, it's not. That is not easy, bro. Yeah.

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 1>What was the process of the Kehlani album? Because obviously,

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:43.860
<v Speaker 1>you know, she had already been a star.

0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Yep. She'd already been in the game.

0:57:45.540 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, she's your homegirl from back that I know that

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.240
<v Speaker 1>this was the first time that y'all were. coming together

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.010
<v Speaker 1>for you to A &amp; R an EP.

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.490
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How did that conversation even happen? So two things,

0:57:55.930 --> 0:57:58.290
<v Speaker 2>and this is why keeping your head down and working

0:57:58.310 --> 0:58:04.380
<v Speaker 2>is so important. David Massey retired and he sat me down.

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:09.980
<v Speaker 2>This is in March, 2025. And he said, Hey, I'm leaving.

0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:13.260
<v Speaker 2>We're shrinking on a company. You know what I'm saying?

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:17.490
<v Speaker 2>So I believe in you. I think you're bigger than this.

0:58:17.570 --> 0:58:19.330
<v Speaker 2>I think you got to do great. You know, he's,

0:58:20.270 --> 0:58:23.190
<v Speaker 2>He gives you the most amazing prep speech. But you're fired. Basically,

0:58:23.230 --> 0:58:29.870
<v Speaker 2>he's like, your department is going to be closed. Damn,

0:58:30.290 --> 0:58:34.830
<v Speaker 2>I'm packing my shit again. So I'm like, you know,

0:58:34.970 --> 0:58:37.570
<v Speaker 2>I'm not tripping because I had the biggest record over

0:58:37.590 --> 0:58:40.370
<v Speaker 2>the fucking past 10 years. So I'm like, whatever. As

0:58:40.410 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 2>you're an executive. As I'm an executive. But I'm like,

0:58:43.410 --> 0:58:46.000
<v Speaker 2>all right, I got something to prove. And she's coming

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:47.700
<v Speaker 2>off of some stuff that she was dealing with that

0:58:47.740 --> 0:58:50.590
<v Speaker 2>she has something to prove. Yeah. And, um, Shout out

0:58:50.610 --> 0:58:55.020
<v Speaker 2>Lon Ray. Shout out Lon Ray. Shout out Lou. Lon

0:58:55.060 --> 0:58:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Ray called me two days after I had the conversation

0:58:59.740 --> 0:59:02.500
<v Speaker 2>with Massey. She was like, hey, because I did After

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:05.130
<v Speaker 2>Hours for Kehlani, which was the big record off the album,

0:59:05.170 --> 0:59:08.020
<v Speaker 2>that crash album that she put out. And the album

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:12.480
<v Speaker 2>was like eclectic and it didn't perform. But After Hours

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.439
<v Speaker 2>was a big record for her. And so she said, hey, like,

0:59:15.780 --> 0:59:19.010
<v Speaker 2>you know, would you mind coming in and doing something

0:59:19.030 --> 0:59:23.370
<v Speaker 2>with Kehlani? But what's crazy about that is about Kehlani,

0:59:23.390 --> 0:59:27.610
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially young Kehlani, she'll hit you and be like, yo,

0:59:27.630 --> 0:59:30.260
<v Speaker 2>let's do a whole album and then disappear. Yeah. but

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>she had hit me maybe four or five months before

0:59:32.060 --> 0:59:33.890
<v Speaker 2>and was like yo that's how she hits me about

0:59:33.910 --> 0:59:35.130
<v Speaker 2>the podcast yeah you know.

0:59:37.270 --> 0:59:39.610
<v Speaker 3>Let's do my episode come do the podcast girl let's

0:59:39.630 --> 0:59:42.470
<v Speaker 3>do my episode but she just disappears but you know

0:59:42.490 --> 0:59:45.030
<v Speaker 3>she's like she's doing everything she's a tourist she's just

0:59:45.570 --> 0:59:48.250
<v Speaker 3>everywhere long story short Lanre's like hey you know Kay

0:59:48.270 --> 0:59:51.110
<v Speaker 3>mentioned it whatever whatever do you wanna is this something

0:59:51.140 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 3>that you be open to and I'm like fuck yeah

0:59:52.900 --> 0:59:55.260
<v Speaker 3>because my thing is like it goes back to the

0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.540
<v Speaker 3>mentality that I had with Kenny in LA which is

0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.060
<v Speaker 3>like you got to make your own shit crack.

1:00:01.620 --> 1:00:03.860
<v Speaker 2>Right. You know what I'm saying? And she's somebody that,

1:00:04.500 --> 1:00:07.060
<v Speaker 2>not that niggas really counted out, but kind of, you

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:08.540
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? She's had her ups and downs.

1:00:08.620 --> 1:00:10.840
<v Speaker 2>She's had her ups and downs. So I just always

1:00:10.860 --> 1:00:13.440
<v Speaker 2>knew she was great. And my conversation, my conversation with

1:00:13.460 --> 1:00:16.360
<v Speaker 2>her will always be, you scared of being successful for

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.460
<v Speaker 2>10 years. There's footage. She got behind the scenes footage

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:21.580
<v Speaker 2>of it. And you know, I would say she's just

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.620
<v Speaker 2>scared of being, you scared of getting the big joints.

1:00:23.660 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 2>You scared of getting the big joints. And we had

1:00:25.660 --> 1:00:30.230
<v Speaker 2>the conversation when they set it up. And, um, She said,

1:00:30.250 --> 1:00:31.910
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to do this. I really want to do this.

1:00:32.070 --> 1:00:33.870
<v Speaker 2>I got nothing to lose. I really want to do this.

1:00:33.970 --> 1:00:38.250
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. And literally my last day of Arista,

1:00:38.330 --> 1:00:42.490
<v Speaker 2>I signed my deal to do her stuff. And then

1:00:42.650 --> 1:00:45.670
<v Speaker 2>maybe like, wow. Yeah. And then the rest is history.

1:00:45.750 --> 1:00:49.010
<v Speaker 2>So with her, you need to get fired more, bro.

1:00:49.050 --> 1:00:54.700
<v Speaker 2>I need to get fired more. This happens, bro. That's crazy.

1:00:55.020 --> 1:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Wow. You know, we just had a real conversation.

1:00:57.860 --> 1:00:59.700
<v Speaker 2>Were you getting two checks? Because you still get your...

1:01:00.070 --> 1:01:03.570
<v Speaker 2>You get your severance and all that too, yeah? Did

1:01:03.590 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 2>some backyard work. Yeah. That's what did it. I got

1:01:11.900 --> 1:01:16.500
<v Speaker 2>to get it. Yeah. Did the stairs and the landscape.

1:01:16.540 --> 1:01:20.910
<v Speaker 2>Japanese doors and some cool shit. And this is what

1:01:20.930 --> 1:01:29.670
<v Speaker 2>we call the severance hall. The severance hall. The severance hall. Okay, I'm... Programming, clocking,

1:01:29.750 --> 1:01:32.670
<v Speaker 2>all of it. But yeah, man, and the process of

1:01:32.730 --> 1:01:35.170
<v Speaker 2>it was really easy. I mean, the reality of it

1:01:35.210 --> 1:01:37.860
<v Speaker 2>was like, look, here's my process. I want big records

1:01:37.890 --> 1:01:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and I want to do R &amp; B the right way.

1:01:40.100 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the experimental stuff is cool, but we

1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:44.640
<v Speaker 2>both kind of came to the consensus that you are

1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:45.980
<v Speaker 2>an R &amp; B artist. That is what you are.

1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Those are the roots. So I said, let's just do

1:01:49.540 --> 1:01:51.060
<v Speaker 2>what everybody's not doing and just get back to the

1:01:51.100 --> 1:01:55.990
<v Speaker 2>roots of it. Intentional about songwriting, like hammering, being under

1:01:56.010 --> 1:02:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Babyface and Tony It's like, bro, you go through like five,

1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:03.980
<v Speaker 2>six drafts of songs until you get it right. You

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:06.040
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? Different versions, different this, different, because

1:02:06.060 --> 1:02:08.530
<v Speaker 2>Kenny's always challenging. And sometimes you might go back to

1:02:08.570 --> 1:02:10.930
<v Speaker 2>version three or version two, maybe even version one, but

1:02:10.950 --> 1:02:14.209
<v Speaker 2>at least you hammered it until you saw all options

1:02:14.250 --> 1:02:16.110
<v Speaker 2>you could see. You know what I'm saying? You challenge yourself.

1:02:16.210 --> 1:02:18.010
<v Speaker 2>And we just kind of had a strict program and

1:02:18.030 --> 1:02:20.310
<v Speaker 2>we got in, we got busy and we went in

1:02:20.350 --> 1:02:23.890
<v Speaker 2>with people that, you know, were amazing mentors and amazing

1:02:24.350 --> 1:02:28.670
<v Speaker 2>guiding lights. Like, you know, facing Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,

1:02:28.690 --> 1:02:32.820
<v Speaker 2>Antonio Dixon, Rich Harrison, Dre, Dre Harris, and we had

1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:37.380
<v Speaker 2>a very good core of people like Dixon, Darius Dixon, who's,

1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:41.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, amazing songwriter. Amazing. Singer, songwriter, all of it.

1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.620
<v Speaker 2>And we didn't really venture out of our little huddle,

1:02:43.740 --> 1:02:45.350
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, our little group. You know,

1:02:45.370 --> 1:02:47.270
<v Speaker 2>I saw it with my own eyes. Yeah. Yeah. You

1:02:47.290 --> 1:02:49.130
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Just coming over there and sitting

1:02:49.150 --> 1:02:50.770
<v Speaker 2>with y'all, man, and, you know, being a fly on

1:02:50.790 --> 1:02:52.330
<v Speaker 2>the wall. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was

1:02:52.350 --> 1:02:54.560
<v Speaker 2>funny because I think, I think K was like, You

1:02:54.580 --> 1:02:57.640
<v Speaker 2>going to chime in? I'm like, no.

1:02:57.860 --> 1:03:00.690
<v Speaker 1>I'm just here to support and to see what y'all

1:03:00.730 --> 1:03:03.210
<v Speaker 1>doing and really salute y'all.

1:03:03.430 --> 1:03:05.850
<v Speaker 2>And that's the response that I wanted. I just wanted

1:03:05.910 --> 1:03:10.270
<v Speaker 2>to make y'all niggas proud. The people that I looked

1:03:10.330 --> 1:03:12.530
<v Speaker 2>up to, the people that poured into me, whether it

1:03:12.550 --> 1:03:15.910
<v Speaker 2>was indirectly or directly, whatever music, you know, the Tanks,

1:03:15.990 --> 1:03:19.140
<v Speaker 2>the Harvey and Damon's, the Tony's, the Babyface, the people

1:03:19.180 --> 1:03:22.330
<v Speaker 2>that actually did that stuff. that gave us the soundtracks

1:03:22.370 --> 1:03:26.430
<v Speaker 2>of our lives and really just kind of came together. Amazing, bro. Yeah. Amazing.

1:03:26.450 --> 1:03:31.540
<v Speaker 2>I remember the first time I heard Fold, I'm like, finally. Yeah.

1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>That's what I said to myself. Yeah. I was just like, finally. Yeah.

1:03:35.460 --> 1:03:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Because I always knew. Yeah. I always knew that it

1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:39.760
<v Speaker 2>was there.

1:03:39.780 --> 1:03:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I always knew, you know, that these were the type

1:03:42.420 --> 1:03:44.960
<v Speaker 1>of records that she deserved.

1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:47.100
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's the word. You know what I mean? Yeah.

1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:50.360
<v Speaker 1>That she deserved to have and I'm like, oh, it's

1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a different conversation now.

1:03:51.980 --> 1:03:56.459
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know what I mean? All the underdog shit. Yeah.

1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:59.530
<v Speaker 1>She's not no underdog no more. You know what I mean?

1:04:00.410 --> 1:04:03.650
<v Speaker 1>She is front facing now. I'm here. I have a smash.

1:04:03.690 --> 1:04:06.690
<v Speaker 1>But that's the tough thing about it. That when you're

1:04:06.710 --> 1:04:08.230
<v Speaker 1>the underdog so much.

1:04:08.990 --> 1:04:10.750
<v Speaker 2>You start buying into it. You start buying into it.

1:04:10.750 --> 1:04:12.250
<v Speaker 2>You start buying into it. You start buying into it

1:04:12.290 --> 1:04:14.950
<v Speaker 2>for sure. You start celebrating being that. When it comes

1:04:15.050 --> 1:04:17.210
<v Speaker 2>to the award stuff, her humility level is very high.

1:04:17.910 --> 1:04:20.310
<v Speaker 2>the war shows never really showed her love. So it's

1:04:20.350 --> 1:04:22.430
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, you know, I don't, I don't really

1:04:22.450 --> 1:04:23.970
<v Speaker 2>know if they can fuck with me like that. And

1:04:24.140 --> 1:04:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, when you get that motherfucking in your hand.

1:04:28.180 --> 1:04:30.660
<v Speaker 2>So when you talk about Grammy wins, that means something,

1:04:30.700 --> 1:04:32.410
<v Speaker 2>not that snooze didn't mean anything. Cause it was, it was,

1:04:32.500 --> 1:04:34.520
<v Speaker 2>it was amazing when with my brother and when with,

1:04:34.900 --> 1:04:36.840
<v Speaker 2>with Kenny, you know what I'm saying? With face. But

1:04:37.300 --> 1:04:40.660
<v Speaker 2>when you do some shit and you, you do just

1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.840
<v Speaker 2>dolo with your, with your, with your girl, your sister,

1:04:44.340 --> 1:04:47.750
<v Speaker 2>it's a different thing. Because you are the underdogs. And

1:04:47.770 --> 1:04:52.380
<v Speaker 2>when you walk on that stage, it's vindication. It's like, no,

1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:55.660
<v Speaker 2>we did what niggas said would never happen. Right. You

1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:58.480
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying? Did you cry in the car? No,

1:04:58.500 --> 1:05:00.540
<v Speaker 2>I didn't cry in the car. Come on, dog. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I was sick, bro. I got the flu or something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you say you were sick. So you were crying?

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<v Speaker 2>I had the glasses on, man. That's why I'm sniffling.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm sick. Because I'm sick. No, you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Crying nigga yeah yeah boo hoo it's okay yeah it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay you know what I mean like we gotta be

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<v Speaker 1>able to walk in them tears of joy man because

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<v Speaker 1>like bro this is not normal bro like it's not

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<v Speaker 1>normal what this has become for you what this become

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<v Speaker 1>for me and what we do like this is not

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<v Speaker 1>normal man and I try to celebrate it as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible and I try to embrace all that comes

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<v Speaker 1>with it yeah yeah you know what I mean yeah

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<v Speaker 1>all that comes with it even the criticism that comes

1:05:41.420 --> 1:05:43.870
<v Speaker 1>with it With things of when people are, you know,

1:05:44.030 --> 1:05:46.970
<v Speaker 1>they like something, but they're like, oh, but if you just.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so tough, I think, initially to hear that. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's just like, well, you don't do it or

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't done it. People only comment about things that

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<v Speaker 1>they're interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. And once you get to that space... Gotta let

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<v Speaker 2>it fucking go. She's done an amazing job. Yeah. From

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<v Speaker 2>what she used to be. Yeah, yeah. And just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of let... Yeah, we've spoken about it. Yeah, just let

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<v Speaker 2>it go. Because motherfuckers is always gonna... They gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>what you say... Man, they're going to twist it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah. You can say, I love orange juice.

1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:18.680
<v Speaker 2>They're going to go, what about apple juice? Don't fuck

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<v Speaker 2>with apples. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like,

1:06:20.890 --> 1:06:22.550
<v Speaker 2>I just said I love orange juice. Now you're an

1:06:22.570 --> 1:06:24.610
<v Speaker 2>apple racist or something. Now they just make up some

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<v Speaker 2>new shit. They make up some new shit. It's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the price of, you know, of fame,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and of success.

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<v Speaker 2>Price of success. Of success. You know what I mean?

1:06:34.540 --> 1:06:39.280
<v Speaker 2>But you add fame on top of success. Yeah. That's

1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.560
<v Speaker 2>not easy for people. You know what I mean? I've

1:06:41.580 --> 1:06:44.020
<v Speaker 2>been running from fame for a long time. Yeah. I'm

1:06:44.060 --> 1:06:45.220
<v Speaker 2>not ashamed to say that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I do not consider myself at all in that

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<v Speaker 1>type of thing. Like, okay, maybe you've seen me somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>and that's cool, but I don't consider to be a

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<v Speaker 1>famous person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not pushing for fame. Give me the check because

1:06:56.290 --> 1:06:59.610
<v Speaker 2>you got the famous checks though. Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes I

1:06:59.630 --> 1:07:01.370
<v Speaker 2>get a famous check here and there. I do. I

1:07:01.390 --> 1:07:03.570
<v Speaker 2>do get a famous check here and there, but it's

1:07:03.590 --> 1:07:05.780
<v Speaker 2>just that that's a different responsibility. It is. You know,

1:07:05.820 --> 1:07:10.290
<v Speaker 2>when I look at, My friends and family. Yeah. People

1:07:10.310 --> 1:07:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I consider family that are famous. Yeah. That shit's tough, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't do anything. That shit is tough. Constant microscope. Yeah.

1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Can't have opinions that are. Yeah. You know. We are

1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:24.200
<v Speaker 2>also very blessed. Yeah. You know, in our business. Yeah.

1:07:24.260 --> 1:07:26.740
<v Speaker 2>People that are part of this and the successes. What's

1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:31.020
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on AI? I think that it's here. Ain't

1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:33.820
<v Speaker 2>going nowhere. I think it's not going anywhere. I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like when people abuse it and try to

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<v Speaker 2>pass it off as genuine works of art, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to artists. Right. That's the thing where for me,

1:07:41.090 --> 1:07:44.090
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, ah, as far as like tools to

1:07:44.110 --> 1:07:47.590
<v Speaker 2>get ideas down or, you know, whatever the case may be,

1:07:48.730 --> 1:07:51.310
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not going to crucify anybody for, for

1:07:51.430 --> 1:07:55.510
<v Speaker 2>using it because it's, it's here, it's integrated. It's not like,

1:07:55.530 --> 1:07:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I do think when you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>pass stuff off as like, an actual artist, so you're doing,

1:08:02.150 --> 1:08:04.530
<v Speaker 2>you know, I am a strong black woman. It's like,

1:08:04.550 --> 1:08:07.450
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you heard that record. I have.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, what the fuck, you know? It's tricky. So

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<v Speaker 2>in saying that, do you think that Milli Vanilli should

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<v Speaker 2>get their Grammy back? What did they win the Grammy for?

1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Was it Best New Artist? Best Artist, I think. Best

1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:27.500
<v Speaker 2>New Artist or song or something. Hey, they weren't singing

1:08:27.540 --> 1:08:32.720
<v Speaker 2>at all. But they were performing it. I don't know, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of torn. I would give them their Grammy back.

1:08:35.860 --> 1:08:37.260
<v Speaker 2>That's probably why they're never going to let me run

1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the Grammy. They're like, this nigga's hot. Bro, you get

1:08:42.979 --> 1:08:44.820
<v Speaker 2>a Grammy. You get a Grammy. What you want to

1:08:44.860 --> 1:08:47.360
<v Speaker 2>do Grammys for now? Oh, man. Oh, nigga, we turned up.

1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.240
<v Speaker 2>But you know niggas walk around with fake Grammys up. Man.

1:08:52.530 --> 1:08:55.889
<v Speaker 2>I heard that. Yeah. You can go get a mate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. You can go get a mate. I guess. Alibaba, baby.

1:09:01.300 --> 1:09:03.680
<v Speaker 2>You can get a cramping of Alibaba. Yeah. Niggas be like,

1:09:03.780 --> 1:09:05.740
<v Speaker 2>order one. Niggas be going to Alibaba. I'm going to

1:09:05.820 --> 1:09:08.600
<v Speaker 2>order one. I've never ordered anything in my life. Don't

1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:10.900
<v Speaker 2>drink no champagne out of it because it might rust. Well,

1:09:11.020 --> 1:09:12.540
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you should drink. You know what? Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>I take that back because I drank Hennessy out of

1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:18.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody's champagne. You know what? I ain't going to.

1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:24.019
<v Speaker 2>It happened. Yeah. It happened. It wasn't mine. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hope the Grammy was real.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I drank Hennessy out of a rusty fake Grammy, man.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a stomachache, man. Oh, man. I'm from the

1:09:36.770 --> 1:09:39.870
<v Speaker 2>hood by now. You know the shit we drank growing up? Oh,

1:09:39.910 --> 1:09:44.540
<v Speaker 2>my God. Out the water holes. Grape drink. Grape juice.

1:09:44.580 --> 1:09:47.230
<v Speaker 2>Grape drink. Grape drink, nigga. I get grape drink. If

1:09:47.270 --> 1:09:52.370
<v Speaker 2>that don't make my stomach hurt. Nothing will. I put

1:09:52.430 --> 1:09:59.760
<v Speaker 2>a little Robitussin on it. Oh, fuck, man. So, what's next, bro?

1:10:00.490 --> 1:10:03.510
<v Speaker 2>What's next? Man, just working, bro. In the AI world.

1:10:03.610 --> 1:10:05.710
<v Speaker 2>What's next? In the AI world. No, no, I'm so kidding.

1:10:06.010 --> 1:10:08.330
<v Speaker 2>In the AI world. Fuck with you. No, the next

1:10:08.350 --> 1:10:11.379
<v Speaker 2>thing is I'm an executive music producer for the TV

1:10:11.400 --> 1:10:16.000
<v Speaker 2>show Forever. Oh, shit. Yeah, season two. Oh, dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:16.020 --> 1:10:18.520
<v Speaker 2>So that's been kind of taking up my whole summer, man.

1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:21.320
<v Speaker 2>So we got that locked in. It just wrapped. And

1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:23.559
<v Speaker 2>now it's going in a post, and we're going to

1:10:23.580 --> 1:10:25.520
<v Speaker 2>be finishing up all the music touches and everything. But

1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.340
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty cool. Call me once to do nothing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you got to take that over Netflix. Nope. Nope.

1:10:33.380 --> 1:10:37.020
<v Speaker 2>It's you. I don't know that nigga. I know you.

1:10:37.140 --> 1:10:38.660
<v Speaker 2>But you know what you mean? I could have beatboxed

1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.480
<v Speaker 2>on that. You've been dodging me on the podcast though. No,

1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:44.250
<v Speaker 2>I haven't. Go back and look at the text. It's you.

1:10:44.750 --> 1:10:47.509
<v Speaker 2>It ain't me. It's always you. For sure. For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>That's dope, bro. Okay. So you, you working on that? Yeah.

1:10:50.830 --> 1:10:53.850
<v Speaker 2>Are you excited about any new artists? Yeah. Come on, man.

1:10:53.900 --> 1:10:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's highlight some people, bro. Yeah. Even if you ain't

1:10:56.180 --> 1:10:58.610
<v Speaker 2>did the deal yet. Don't give me that bullshit.

1:10:59.140 --> 1:11:00.860
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to say nobody name because you don't

1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:02.420
<v Speaker 1>want nobody to outbid you.

1:11:02.460 --> 1:11:06.100
<v Speaker 2>Fuck that, bro. Shout him out, nigga. Who you like?

1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:10.860
<v Speaker 2>Who's cracking, nigga? Who's cracking? You know who I was

1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:13.030
<v Speaker 2>just in with that I think is really dope? It's

1:11:13.050 --> 1:11:16.769
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Ward. Dope. I love Jordan's stuff. Yo. Yeah.

1:11:17.010 --> 1:11:18.810
<v Speaker 1>I just met Jordan Ward.

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<v Speaker 2>No idea. Introduce me to him.

1:11:20.510 --> 1:11:20.810
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:11:21.130 --> 1:11:24.270
<v Speaker 2>And I fuck with that dude. Yeah. Yeah. Just on

1:11:24.310 --> 1:11:28.290
<v Speaker 2>a human level. Yeah. Like, I really, really fuck with bro.

1:11:28.410 --> 1:11:29.170
<v Speaker 2>I fuck with him.

1:11:29.189 --> 1:11:32.060
<v Speaker 1>And he told me, he's like, nigga, I watch all

1:11:32.110 --> 1:11:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the shit. I watch all the shows. I watch all

1:11:33.900 --> 1:11:34.500
<v Speaker 1>the episodes.

1:11:34.580 --> 1:11:36.260
<v Speaker 2>Jordan. So shout out to Jordan Ward because I'm sure

1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be watching this one. Jordan Ward, Destin Conrad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out Destin. He's doing it for the young. Super dope.

1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Is he signed through Kehlani? They had the same manager. Okay. Yeah,

1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:47.310
<v Speaker 2>so David.

1:11:47.390 --> 1:11:49.370
<v Speaker 1>I know David manages both of them, but I didn't

1:11:49.570 --> 1:11:51.170
<v Speaker 1>know if he was signed.

1:11:51.330 --> 1:11:54.410
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know what the inner workings

1:11:54.450 --> 1:11:56.660
<v Speaker 2>of that are, but I know that David's the... Yeah.

1:11:56.780 --> 1:11:59.300
<v Speaker 2>The glue. Yeah. But you know, she. And David's the

1:11:59.340 --> 1:12:02.880
<v Speaker 2>reason she hasn't been on the show. I blame David.

1:12:03.380 --> 1:12:06.500
<v Speaker 2>You know David, man. You know he's working, man. Yeah.

1:12:07.100 --> 1:12:08.920
<v Speaker 2>They on tour, man. He trying to keep it all together, baby.

1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:12.410
<v Speaker 2>I know he is. I know he is. Yeah. Those

1:12:12.430 --> 1:12:14.790
<v Speaker 2>two are amazing. Trying to think who else. I like

1:12:14.810 --> 1:12:17.850
<v Speaker 2>Cleo Soul. I don't know if you consider her new, but. No,

1:12:18.229 --> 1:12:19.110
<v Speaker 2>but just. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even though she sell out crazy venues and

1:12:21.390 --> 1:12:24.310
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, but like. it's not one of those

1:12:24.370 --> 1:12:27.390
<v Speaker 1>things where everybody knows your shit. And to me, everybody

1:12:27.450 --> 1:12:27.849
<v Speaker 1>should know.

1:12:27.870 --> 1:12:33.060
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So it's incredible. Incredible. Incredible, bro. Yeah. I mean,

1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:37.100
<v Speaker 2>and I would love for you to come on the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:42.160
<v Speaker 2>But those are like, that's what you up on right now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

1:12:42.500 --> 1:12:49.370
<v Speaker 2>Do you see a shift at all? And where we're

1:12:49.410 --> 1:12:52.939
<v Speaker 2>going in R &amp; B music? Yes. Yes. I think

1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:55.960
<v Speaker 2>that the intentionality with records, I mean, you see it

1:12:56.000 --> 1:12:58.620
<v Speaker 2>with Olivia Dean, you see it with Kay, you see

1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:01.930
<v Speaker 2>it with Leon, you see it with where the songwriting

1:13:02.010 --> 1:13:06.130
<v Speaker 2>is just, it's important. You just can't put together slop

1:13:06.150 --> 1:13:08.290
<v Speaker 2>and put it out. It's focused on more now. Yeah,

1:13:08.330 --> 1:13:10.030
<v Speaker 2>you have to. And I think it's weeding out a

1:13:10.070 --> 1:13:12.270
<v Speaker 2>lot of people because it's back in the day, it was,

1:13:12.390 --> 1:13:14.630
<v Speaker 2>it was a, I would say it was a more

1:13:15.570 --> 1:13:18.430
<v Speaker 2>access to writers who were under the tutelage of other

1:13:18.450 --> 1:13:22.070
<v Speaker 2>writers that, We're great writers. Right. You know what I'm saying?

1:13:22.090 --> 1:13:25.210
<v Speaker 2>I think that somewhere along the line, when it became

1:13:25.310 --> 1:13:27.530
<v Speaker 2>more hip hop focused, we kind of lost our way

1:13:27.570 --> 1:13:30.839
<v Speaker 2>when it came with the intentionality and the creativeness on concepts.

1:13:30.939 --> 1:13:34.120
<v Speaker 2>And like, you know, just I remember when like the

1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:35.939
<v Speaker 2>Clutch was doing their thing and you get records like

1:13:36.100 --> 1:13:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Icebox or you get records that were like just innovative concepts. Yeah.

1:13:41.580 --> 1:13:43.900
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of lost form. I think it's coming

1:13:43.939 --> 1:13:47.260
<v Speaker 2>back now. Or people are challenging each other. Yeah, they're

1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:49.479
<v Speaker 2>challenging each other. You know what I'm saying? Versus like, oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The do-it-yourself era has been tricky. It gets tricky, bro,

1:13:54.890 --> 1:13:58.750
<v Speaker 1>when you just, you know, you meet the new writer

1:13:58.770 --> 1:14:00.349
<v Speaker 1>who you want to help or the new artist you

1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:01.160
<v Speaker 1>really want to help.

1:14:01.740 --> 1:14:03.139
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I know I write all my own stuff.

1:14:03.340 --> 1:14:04.879
<v Speaker 2>It's like.

1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:09.730
<v Speaker 1>This whole vibe thing. I'm going to need you to

1:14:09.890 --> 1:14:11.650
<v Speaker 1>really write a real story. I'm going to need a

1:14:11.710 --> 1:14:12.469
<v Speaker 1>real top line.

1:14:12.610 --> 1:14:15.630
<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of the vibes. Or the over melody. The

1:14:15.729 --> 1:14:18.350
<v Speaker 2>over melody. I was having this conversation on a panel

1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:22.920
<v Speaker 2>where for me, Brandon's way was a hub. Yeah. So

1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:25.059
<v Speaker 2>you had so many people that came in and out

1:14:25.100 --> 1:14:27.620
<v Speaker 2>of that studio to where you can challenge each other,

1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.630
<v Speaker 2>even from my generation to your generation to, you know,

1:14:31.770 --> 1:14:35.900
<v Speaker 2>to probably even before, right? Like where, you know, everybody

1:14:35.930 --> 1:14:37.510
<v Speaker 2>was just challenging each other. And I think now that

1:14:37.550 --> 1:14:41.150
<v Speaker 2>everybody's so isolated in their rooms working, it's harder to

1:14:41.950 --> 1:14:45.350
<v Speaker 2>really kind of get that sparring out. You know what

1:14:45.370 --> 1:14:48.330
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying? But, you know, I think what we're missing

1:14:48.790 --> 1:14:52.550
<v Speaker 2>is creative spaces that kids can kind of, you know,

1:14:52.570 --> 1:14:54.230
<v Speaker 2>the studios. Community. Community.

1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Even going back to me saying when I came by

1:14:56.780 --> 1:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the house, man, and seeing, you know, four or five

1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:08.010
<v Speaker 1>people writers producers engineers artists the whole thing yeah together

1:15:08.210 --> 1:15:12.070
<v Speaker 1>yeah working together in one room as with a clear

1:15:12.110 --> 1:15:14.950
<v Speaker 1>vision humans instead of like oh yeah we're gonna send

1:15:14.970 --> 1:15:17.429
<v Speaker 1>this to such and such over in germany he gonna

1:15:17.450 --> 1:15:19.510
<v Speaker 1>do the drums and then we're gonna send this over

1:15:19.550 --> 1:15:21.559
<v Speaker 1>this guy and out in the middle of nowhere alabama

1:15:21.570 --> 1:15:23.820
<v Speaker 1>yeah he gonna play a guitar lick and then we're

1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:26.219
<v Speaker 1>gonna send it to 12 writers and then we're gonna see.

1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:27.900
<v Speaker 2>What we got man you know what we would do

1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:31.890
<v Speaker 2>me and me and k would watch um Pharrell and

1:15:32.030 --> 1:15:36.110
<v Speaker 2>Chad and, and Justin in the studio, footage of the

1:15:36.150 --> 1:15:39.450
<v Speaker 2>clutch and footage, just all these, just people making records

1:15:39.510 --> 1:15:42.850
<v Speaker 2>like this in the studio together. You know what I'm saying? Just,

1:15:42.910 --> 1:15:46.060
<v Speaker 2>just working and working, doing stuff because those were the

1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:48.840
<v Speaker 2>classic records came from. Like inspiration could come from you,

1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:51.880
<v Speaker 2>come from you, you, me, wherever. And, and, and sometimes

1:15:51.939 --> 1:15:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it's just about who can catch it in the lightning

1:15:53.860 --> 1:15:55.820
<v Speaker 2>in a bottle. And then, you know, who else could

1:15:55.860 --> 1:15:59.229
<v Speaker 2>add they shit in there? So collaboration, all these, great

1:15:59.270 --> 1:16:01.150
<v Speaker 2>records that we love, they come from collaboration.

1:16:01.390 --> 1:16:03.729
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing though. It's still collaborative when these young

1:16:03.970 --> 1:16:07.110
<v Speaker 1>creatives do that. I'm an advocate for getting in the room.

1:16:07.610 --> 1:16:08.830
<v Speaker 2>Gotta get in the room. Just, I want them to

1:16:08.850 --> 1:16:11.570
<v Speaker 2>start getting in the rooms together more. Yeah, for sure.

1:16:11.790 --> 1:16:14.610
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a different type of magic that's made. Yeah.

1:16:14.850 --> 1:16:20.439
<v Speaker 2>When you're right there. Yeah. It just is. It just is, bro. So. Yeah. Well,

1:16:20.460 --> 1:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I got you here, brother. Yeah. Now I need your inspirations. Yeah.

1:16:25.220 --> 1:16:30.650
<v Speaker 1>I need, I need the things and the people. The songs,

1:16:30.729 --> 1:16:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the voices that have gotten you to this point in

1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:39.260
<v Speaker 1>your career, hit records and, you know, amazing M4s.

1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:41.049
<v Speaker 2>You still got one? No, no. Got rid of it?

1:16:41.060 --> 1:16:42.979
<v Speaker 2>Got rid of it. Okay.

1:16:43.020 --> 1:16:44.900
<v Speaker 1>You ain't do the ludicrousness, just keep it in some

1:16:45.260 --> 1:16:46.500
<v Speaker 1>parking lot on your West Wing?

1:16:46.740 --> 1:16:50.120
<v Speaker 2>No, no. Okay. All right. All right. What we got

1:16:50.180 --> 1:16:50.740
<v Speaker 2>for him, baby?

1:16:50.760 --> 1:16:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Top right.

1:16:57.090 --> 1:17:02.670
<v Speaker 2>Your top five. Yeah. This is crazy. Top five. Your

1:17:02.910 --> 1:17:10.790
<v Speaker 2>top five. R &amp; B singers. R &amp; B songs. Yeah.

1:17:11.130 --> 1:17:11.690
<v Speaker 2>R &amp; B songs.

1:17:11.930 --> 1:17:15.220
<v Speaker 1>Before you go.

1:17:15.229 --> 1:17:30.090
<v Speaker 2>They're on the show. Everybody want to know. Your top five. Insane.

1:17:30.160 --> 1:17:59.900
<v Speaker 2>That guy's amazing. All right. We need to know your

1:17:59.939 --> 1:18:03.080
<v Speaker 2>top five R &amp; B singers. Uh-huh. Your top five

1:18:03.420 --> 1:18:07.660
<v Speaker 2>R &amp; B songs. Ah, okay. Let's go. Singers. Singers

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, number one, Michael Jackson. Okay. Number two

1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:12.640
<v Speaker 2>is going to be Charlie Wilson. Okay. And I would

1:18:12.660 --> 1:18:15.220
<v Speaker 2>say they're probably close for me because Charlie is like

1:18:15.300 --> 1:18:17.540
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite singers. Yeah. Got to do Whitney.

1:18:17.979 --> 1:18:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Beyonce up there. And... Hmm. Fifth, I'm going to have

1:18:26.700 --> 1:18:27.480
<v Speaker 2>to give it to my boy, Mario.

1:18:29.070 --> 1:18:33.210
<v Speaker 1>Code yeah mario's code yeah i like that top five

1:18:33.310 --> 1:18:36.130
<v Speaker 1>okay top five r &amp; b songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby be mine remember the time okay i'm bending knee

1:18:42.070 --> 1:18:46.590
<v Speaker 2>okay when can i see you again yeah Oh, you

1:18:46.610 --> 1:18:49.730
<v Speaker 2>a lover boy. Oh yeah, for sure. All day. Gives

1:18:49.750 --> 1:18:55.440
<v Speaker 2>me in trouble. Fifth one. Man, I might have to

1:18:55.479 --> 1:19:00.780
<v Speaker 2>go with maybe when I see you. Yeah. When I

1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:05.339
<v Speaker 2>see you, bro. Yeah. And it's a hood record too. Yeah.

1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:09.390
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't supposed to be, but you know what? It

1:19:09.430 --> 1:19:12.509
<v Speaker 2>found its life. It found its life. Okay. All right.

1:19:12.689 --> 1:19:14.510
<v Speaker 2>Now I need you to build.

1:19:15.550 --> 1:19:22.089
<v Speaker 1>Your ultimate R &amp; B superstar superhero Voltron.

1:19:22.229 --> 1:19:25.790
<v Speaker 2>Oh, shit. We're going to go with the voice.

1:19:25.810 --> 1:19:28.810
<v Speaker 1>We're going to go with the performance style.

1:19:28.830 --> 1:19:32.410
<v Speaker 2>We're going to go with the styling, the clothes. We're

1:19:33.090 --> 1:19:34.150
<v Speaker 2>going to go with the passion.

1:19:34.970 --> 1:19:37.270
<v Speaker 1>And since you are an amazing producer, we're going to

1:19:37.310 --> 1:19:39.150
<v Speaker 1>go with who's going to produce for this artist.

1:19:39.170 --> 1:19:41.400
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to start with the voice. Gotta go

1:19:41.420 --> 1:19:50.960
<v Speaker 2>with Charlie. Charlie's the voice. Yeah. Uptempo. Yeah. Mid-tempo. Yeah. Ballad. Anything. Power. Yeah. Tone. Yeah. Everything. Okay.

1:19:51.300 --> 1:19:56.610
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Wilson. Uwe. Performance style. Michael. Charlie. Oh, my God.

1:19:56.970 --> 1:20:00.930
<v Speaker 2>Your Charlie and Michaels are going crazy, bro. Who got

1:20:00.950 --> 1:20:03.610
<v Speaker 2>the drip? The style. I'm going to have to do

1:20:03.650 --> 1:20:05.650
<v Speaker 2>the style I kind of swag to. I'm going to

1:20:05.670 --> 1:20:09.189
<v Speaker 2>have to do Bobby Brown. Yeah. Gumby. And Prime. Gumby.

1:20:09.270 --> 1:20:14.030
<v Speaker 2>Prime Bobby. Gumby Bobby Brown. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ghostbusters,

1:20:14.070 --> 1:20:14.530
<v Speaker 2>Bobby Brown.

1:20:14.570 --> 1:20:14.950
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:20:15.310 --> 1:20:17.729
<v Speaker 2>All right. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Who got the passion?

1:20:19.310 --> 1:20:20.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what? I'm about to go with Chris, bro.

1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:25.020
<v Speaker 1>Chris look like he gonna sing a song and fight

1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:26.599
<v Speaker 1>and fight for.

1:20:26.500 --> 1:20:28.519
<v Speaker 2>The song and fight for the... I knew he's got

1:20:28.540 --> 1:20:32.900
<v Speaker 2>a chip on his shoulder. Fight for love. All the man.

1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:38.220
<v Speaker 2>It dances hard. Yeah. Extremely passionate, bro. And really, really

1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.540
<v Speaker 2>loves what he does. Yeah. Really loves what he does. Okay,

1:20:41.660 --> 1:20:43.860
<v Speaker 2>I love that. Who's the producer?

1:20:43.900 --> 1:20:46.730
<v Speaker 1>Who you calling if you're like, all right, because now

1:20:46.770 --> 1:20:48.050
<v Speaker 1>you put your executive hat on?

1:20:49.830 --> 1:20:54.490
<v Speaker 2>Quincy. Can't go wrong. Can't go wrong, bro. What? Can't

1:20:54.510 --> 1:20:56.110
<v Speaker 2>go wrong. I feel like he's the only one that

1:20:56.130 --> 1:20:57.310
<v Speaker 2>can control all them niggas.

1:20:57.990 --> 1:21:01.759
<v Speaker 1>He's going to tell all their story later on.

1:21:02.260 --> 1:21:10.059
<v Speaker 2>You know, man, that motherfucker was crazy. Michael, Charlie. Chris Brown.

1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:12.679
<v Speaker 2>He's going to fall asleep. Did you ever meet Quincy? Yeah.

1:21:12.720 --> 1:21:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Wake up, Quincy, wake up. Yeah. I wasn't sleeping in

1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:16.620
<v Speaker 2>my house.

1:21:16.800 --> 1:21:19.620
<v Speaker 1>I got my own funny Quincy story, man, that I

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:21.059
<v Speaker 1>cannot tell publicly.

1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:28.950
<v Speaker 2>That is amazing. He did what, Quincy? No. Yeah, I

1:21:28.970 --> 1:21:31.390
<v Speaker 2>had one of those. I didn't even know him. That

1:21:31.430 --> 1:21:34.450
<v Speaker 2>was like my first time meeting him. That's crazy. Yeah.

1:21:34.610 --> 1:21:36.310
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. He hit me with some did you knows.

1:21:36.770 --> 1:21:41.690
<v Speaker 2>Did you know that? I didn't. Thanks, Quincy. That's crazy.

1:21:42.290 --> 1:21:46.240
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. All right, man. We got one more segment

1:21:46.260 --> 1:21:49.900
<v Speaker 2>before I let you out of here. Yeah. Stop. One

1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:50.360
<v Speaker 2>more time.

1:21:52.700 --> 1:21:56.410
<v Speaker 1>I knew you'd know this part of the show was coming.

1:21:56.510 --> 1:21:57.150
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah.

1:21:57.189 --> 1:22:02.930
<v Speaker 1>You know, and I hope you prepared.

1:22:01.470 --> 1:22:23.510
<v Speaker 2>Yourself, brother. Because we are at a very important segment

1:22:23.630 --> 1:22:26.550
<v Speaker 2>where you tell us a story. Funny or fucked up.

1:22:27.070 --> 1:22:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Or funny and fucked up.

1:22:29.300 --> 1:22:33.000
<v Speaker 1>The only rule to the game is the nigga with

1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:38.720
<v Speaker 1>12 names, Chris Van Riddick times Sir Lancelot.

1:22:38.900 --> 1:22:42.780
<v Speaker 2>Sir Lancelot. Can't say no name. All right. For sure.

1:22:42.820 --> 1:22:48.410
<v Speaker 2>For sure. Damn. All right. So I'm fresh out of

1:22:48.430 --> 1:22:54.830
<v Speaker 2>high school. Okay. No placements yet. Probably had like $ 50

1:22:54.790 --> 1:23:00.809
<v Speaker 2>in my account. Maybe $ 35. Small set of $ 35. We

1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:04.120
<v Speaker 2>probably went to like California Chicken Cafe or something. That's

1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>$ 15 for sure. So we come to the studio. I'm there.

1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:13.260
<v Speaker 2>It's in the room. You can't say no name. No

1:23:13.300 --> 1:23:17.439
<v Speaker 2>names at all. No. Oh, okay. So we at the studio.

1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:20.939
<v Speaker 2>And this guy is there. It's a room of legends.

1:23:21.360 --> 1:23:24.000
<v Speaker 2>But he's not important to the story. Whatever. So a

1:23:24.020 --> 1:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>bunch of people and legends in the room. It's a

1:23:26.020 --> 1:23:28.590
<v Speaker 2>writing session happening. They call me in to go do

1:23:28.610 --> 1:23:34.630
<v Speaker 2>the writing session. The artist shows up mad late. Oh,

1:23:34.650 --> 1:23:38.849
<v Speaker 2>like you today. Nah, later. You're an artist. Later than that.

1:23:39.450 --> 1:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Later than that. Because. I just need your ass back.

1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:46.540
<v Speaker 2>Because he was arguing with somebody in the hallway about

1:23:47.189 --> 1:23:50.530
<v Speaker 2>the robots taking over his role in some film he

1:23:50.550 --> 1:23:53.599
<v Speaker 2>was doing. Okay. You know, so he was going off

1:23:53.689 --> 1:23:57.780
<v Speaker 2>and he was just waiting. So the other producers, the

1:23:57.820 --> 1:24:00.200
<v Speaker 2>big dog producers in the room just leave. They leave

1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:03.680
<v Speaker 2>me in there by myself. So he come in. I'm

1:24:03.700 --> 1:24:10.760
<v Speaker 2>thinking we finna get to work. And he's like, Hey man,

1:24:10.780 --> 1:24:12.620
<v Speaker 2>can you give me a ride home? And I'm like,

1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:14.140
<v Speaker 2>as soon as he walk in, as soon as he

1:24:14.180 --> 1:24:17.290
<v Speaker 2>walk in, I'm like, I'm out of here. And you,

1:24:17.450 --> 1:24:19.630
<v Speaker 2>I need you to take me home. Yeah, like, ride home.

1:24:19.670 --> 1:24:23.830
<v Speaker 2>Do you even know him yet? No. Oh, this is great. No. Okay. No,

1:24:23.870 --> 1:24:27.590
<v Speaker 2>not at all. Like, you know, he from the city, so, like,

1:24:27.990 --> 1:24:31.889
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of, yeah, like, niggas looked up to him, like, oh, yeah,

1:24:32.130 --> 1:24:36.450
<v Speaker 2>you know. But we get in the car. I'm like,

1:24:36.470 --> 1:24:38.030
<v Speaker 2>all right, bro, for sure. Cool. Maybe I could play,

1:24:38.060 --> 1:24:39.700
<v Speaker 2>because in my mind, I'm calculating. I'm like, I could

1:24:39.740 --> 1:24:42.679
<v Speaker 2>play this nigga some demos. Demos, yeah. So, you know,

1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:46.700
<v Speaker 2>I go to play him some demos. Uh-huh. And the

1:24:46.720 --> 1:24:51.230
<v Speaker 2>nigga turned the radio off. He treated you like an Uber?

1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:53.390
<v Speaker 2>Like an Uber, nigga. When they ask you if you

1:24:53.410 --> 1:24:56.070
<v Speaker 2>want to talk, are you on music or not? Nigga

1:24:56.090 --> 1:25:00.309
<v Speaker 2>makes a phone call. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

1:25:00.330 --> 1:25:03.430
<v Speaker 2>you know, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So, he finally got

1:25:03.450 --> 1:25:07.120
<v Speaker 2>off the phone. And he started asking me where I'm from.

1:25:07.580 --> 1:25:11.400
<v Speaker 2>My mom stayed in Gardena, which is this particular artist

1:25:11.420 --> 1:25:16.639
<v Speaker 2>from the city over, Compton. Yeah. Watts. Watts. And he like, oh, yeah,

1:25:16.660 --> 1:25:19.139
<v Speaker 2>you from Gardena? Okay, okay, yeah. Okay, for sure, for sure.

1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>So you from the city? Okay. He's like, give me

1:25:22.220 --> 1:25:24.719
<v Speaker 2>your phone. I want to put you on something. I'm like,

1:25:24.740 --> 1:25:27.160
<v Speaker 2>all right, cool. So I'm like thinking nigga going to

1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>pull up like YouTube or something, some inspirational video or something.

1:25:32.620 --> 1:25:45.060
<v Speaker 2>The nigga buys his book. On my phone. With my car.

1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:56.150
<v Speaker 2>This nigga's diabolical. Nigga didn't ask me that. I'm a kid, bro. Oh,

1:25:56.189 --> 1:25:58.130
<v Speaker 2>you need that money. I'm a kid, bro. I need

1:25:58.170 --> 1:26:01.630
<v Speaker 2>that money, bro. But you need it. Nigga sent my

1:26:01.670 --> 1:26:04.429
<v Speaker 2>shit negative, bro. Not only did he buy the book,

1:26:04.810 --> 1:26:08.010
<v Speaker 2>but he bought the bonus edition that comes with the album.

1:26:08.930 --> 1:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And the nigga's book, I think, was called, like.

1:26:10.890 --> 1:26:15.930
<v Speaker 1>Nigga sent my.

1:26:14.010 --> 1:26:18.729
<v Speaker 2>Shit in the red. I'm like, how am I going

1:26:18.750 --> 1:26:23.330
<v Speaker 2>to eat tomorrow? Oh, my God. Yeah. So, you know,

1:26:23.350 --> 1:26:25.229
<v Speaker 2>he pat me on the back. I dropped off at

1:26:25.250 --> 1:26:29.030
<v Speaker 2>the joint. No demos played. I think his book was

1:26:29.110 --> 1:26:34.550
<v Speaker 2>red when I think about it. Account negative. I'm like,

1:26:34.570 --> 1:26:37.330
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do. I got like a

1:26:37.350 --> 1:26:39.349
<v Speaker 2>little bit of gas left in my tank. I'm just,

1:26:39.490 --> 1:26:42.860
<v Speaker 2>you know. But this book fed you. This book? Fuck

1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:49.660
<v Speaker 2>that book. Fuck that book, nigga. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:26:49.680 --> 1:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>To this day. Have you ever Did you see him again? Yeah.

1:27:07.860 --> 1:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>He tried to get in the video we was shooting.

1:27:10.020 --> 1:27:13.030
<v Speaker 2>I was like, nah, nigga, you can't be in.

1:27:15.689 --> 1:27:20.689
<v Speaker 3>This video.

1:27:21.070 --> 1:27:28.450
<v Speaker 2>Nigga, I held all that for like 15 years, bro. Oh, bro. Oh, man.

1:27:28.470 --> 1:27:35.600
<v Speaker 2>This is fucking... It's so funny. But, you know, it

1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:38.260
<v Speaker 2>showed me that even when you're at the highest of

1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:44.380
<v Speaker 2>your level, man, you still got to hustle. It fed you.

1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:48.380
<v Speaker 2>Every dollar counts. It fed you, bro. I don't think

1:27:48.420 --> 1:27:51.900
<v Speaker 2>you write these records that you've written without that experience. No,

1:27:51.930 --> 1:27:54.670
<v Speaker 2>not at all. Oh, man. Shout out to that brother.

1:27:54.729 --> 1:27:55.030
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:27:55.590 --> 1:28:00.390
<v Speaker 2>Whoever he is. I don't know if you remember that shit.

1:28:00.930 --> 1:28:04.430
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I remember it. I was like, oh, man.

1:28:04.950 --> 1:28:10.890
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy. Oh, tears of joy. Nigga, what's your password?

1:28:11.010 --> 1:28:12.390
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking nigga got locked out. He's trying to go

1:28:12.430 --> 1:28:15.490
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. Nigga's buying the book. Buying your book. And

1:28:15.510 --> 1:28:16.090
<v Speaker 2>then I was like.

1:28:16.130 --> 1:28:18.719
<v Speaker 1>He needs your password to buy the book.

1:28:19.150 --> 1:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I can't snatch the phone. Because he won't listen to

1:28:22.479 --> 1:28:25.939
<v Speaker 2>my demos. And then he never listens to the demos.

1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Never listens to the demos. Did you read the book? No.

1:28:31.380 --> 1:28:45.180
<v Speaker 2>I'm Jay Valentine. This is Christmas. Oh my God, man, bro. Yeah,

1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:48.660
<v Speaker 2>this has been incredible. Appreciate you. That is a great story.

1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:53.389
<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you. And somebody's going to figure out who that was.

1:28:53.510 --> 1:28:55.170
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a lot of clues.

1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>But I ain't saying no name man but no on

1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>a serious note man thank you bro but just not

1:29:03.820 --> 1:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>even for being here today for being who you are

1:29:07.020 --> 1:29:09.460
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you bro you know what I mean and

1:29:09.890 --> 1:29:12.890
<v Speaker 1>being who you are in the business and as a

1:29:12.979 --> 1:29:18.390
<v Speaker 1>person cause I've known you for a while and your

1:29:18.430 --> 1:29:22.970
<v Speaker 1>humility and your joy and love for the game is

1:29:23.030 --> 1:29:26.030
<v Speaker 1>infectious you know what I mean you don't take yourself

1:29:26.070 --> 1:29:28.090
<v Speaker 1>too serious You know you're gifted.

1:29:28.110 --> 1:29:30.410
<v Speaker 2>You know you're talented. But it's not like you don't

1:29:30.430 --> 1:29:32.450
<v Speaker 2>wear that on your sleeve. Yeah.

1:29:32.770 --> 1:29:35.179
<v Speaker 1>And I always appreciate that when I really meet really

1:29:35.229 --> 1:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>talented people who understand that I don't got to be

1:29:39.220 --> 1:29:39.799
<v Speaker 1>an asshole.

1:29:40.020 --> 1:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can still have fun, man. I can still

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>buy books. Yeah. Niggas that I'm trying to get my

1:29:46.880 --> 1:29:52.560
<v Speaker 2>demo to. And I can't eat. Like, niggas great. Yeah.

1:29:52.979 --> 1:29:55.980
<v Speaker 2>That sums your whole life up to me. I know, man.

1:29:57.110 --> 1:30:01.540
<v Speaker 1>Cause also I know how bad we all want to

1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>have our chance in this and our success and our time.

1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:08.540
<v Speaker 1>And even you telling me the story, I put myself

1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:09.580
<v Speaker 1>in your, in your shoes.

1:30:09.700 --> 1:30:12.979
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I probably would have fucked up my whole career.

1:30:13.000 --> 1:30:16.180
<v Speaker 1>Cause I would have tried to fight the nigga in

1:30:16.260 --> 1:30:17.340
<v Speaker 1>the passenger seat.

1:30:17.700 --> 1:30:21.900
<v Speaker 2>And I gotta be better. Yeah. But I love that

1:30:21.939 --> 1:30:23.500
<v Speaker 2>you stay patient. Yeah.

1:30:23.760 --> 1:30:27.730
<v Speaker 1>And that you just like, fuck bro. And, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>this person knows that they did that. You owe him, what, $ 20, $ 25?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was a bonus edition. $ 45. $ 45 for a

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<v Speaker 2>young fella who don't got it is crazy. Inflation. When

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<v Speaker 2>you see it, bro, just give my young partner $ 1, 000, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>And it'd be cool. It'll be cool, but you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to give my guy a stack, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to. You have to. But no, bro. On

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<v Speaker 2>a serious note, thank you. No, thank y'all, man. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate y'all for what y'all doing with this platform, man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so important. This is what it's for. It's like FUBU.

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<v Speaker 2>It's for us by us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For you, y'all. Hey, man. Shout out FUBU, though. Shout

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<v Speaker 2>out FUBU. It's crazy. Like I said before, I'm Jay Valentine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the R.B. Money Podcast. This is the good brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Riddick Tine. Appreciate you. I'll see y'all next week.