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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young mom murdered on a local hiking trail.

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Speaker 2: What happened in the last hours We learned that law

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Speaker 2: enforcement out on ATVs looking for her killer and also

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Speaker 2: asking for the public's help. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: friends Fox Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: More than a week has passed since the body of

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Speaker 3: Rachel Mooren was found on the mom Paw Trail in

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Speaker 3: Harford County. Police have made no arrest in her murder,

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Speaker 3: and they were asking the community for help. Meanwhile, speculation

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Speaker 3: about what happened is running a rampant on social media.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing our friends at Fox Baltimore talking

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Speaker 2: about the fact that social media has run rampant her words,

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Speaker 2: not mine, regarding the murder of Rachel Lauren. But what

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Speaker 2: are the facts as we know them at this hour?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and

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Speaker 2: Serious ExM one eleven. Again, you were hearing our friends

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Speaker 2: at Fox Baltimore talking about what's happening online, but what's

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Speaker 2: happening in reality. Take a listen to Rob Weinhold, crisis

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Speaker 2: leadership expert with Folston Group, our cut eye.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm quite certain the sheriff's department is working around

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Speaker 4: the clock doing everything possible to identify the suspect. But

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Speaker 4: the longer this goes on, the more it exacerbates the

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Speaker 4: fear in the community right and also speculation and conversation,

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Speaker 4: a lot of which may be inaccurate. And so the

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Speaker 4: sheriff's department has its job cut out for it and

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Speaker 4: has to move methodically, move slowly to make sure that

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Speaker 4: when there's the rest it's also prosecutable. So very important

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Speaker 4: for the Sheriff's department to take us time and do

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Speaker 4: what's right. But it doesn't do anything the lower the

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Speaker 4: temperature of fear.

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Speaker 5: Lower the temperature fear.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of hard to do when the public believes

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Speaker 2: a killer is on the list. And now take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our cut thirty four, our friend Rebeccah Pryor.

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Speaker 6: This mite.

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Speaker 7: Law enforcement swarming the area for almost a full day,

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Speaker 7: Goverzski's stepdaughter locating the body in about an hour.

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Speaker 8: Once we got down there and I started seeing them tunnels,

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Speaker 8: I started getting goosebumps.

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Speaker 7: The deadly discovery made in a tunnel drink not far

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Speaker 7: from the trail's main entrance.

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Speaker 8: I saw a terrible mess.

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Speaker 7: Goverzski's visions meeting the reality of a gruesome scene.

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Speaker 8: There's not going to be an open casket.

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Speaker 9: I can guarantee you that images of Rachel Mora, the

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Speaker 9: murdered mother of five, now mark the mon Paw Trail

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Speaker 9: and the Harferd County Sheriff's Office has been inundated with

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Speaker 9: questions surrounding her death. A modern day who done it?

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Speaker 9: This case almost immediately attracted the attention of the national

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Speaker 9: media as well as from outlets from abroad. While the

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Speaker 9: Sheriff's office has seventy eight thousand followers on Facebook, posts

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Speaker 9: about Rachel's murder have reached two million people.

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Speaker 2: You are also hearing our friends at WNAR with me

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Speaker 2: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: know right now.

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Speaker 5: We also know that the law.

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Speaker 2: Enforcement there in the area where Rachel was found is

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Speaker 2: asking for assistance from the public. Is that ever a

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Speaker 2: good sign?

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Speaker 5: Again?

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now? But straight out to Vincent Hill,

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Speaker 2: anchor reporter Fox forty five in Baltimore, former cop and

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Speaker 2: private investigator, author a playbook to a murder, Vincent Hill.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that local law enforcement is asking for

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Speaker 2: help from the public.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: The Hartford County Sheriff's office set up an email tip

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Speaker 10: line and they've received over three hundred tips. But right

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Speaker 10: now they're looking for any witnesses that may have seen Rachel.

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Speaker 10: Here we are over a week later, and you alluded

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Speaker 10: to a Nancy, it's not a good sign that they're

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Speaker 10: turning to the public because that tells me they may

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Speaker 10: be limited on the amount of clues they have who

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Speaker 2: Right now, we know the timeline is being picked apart

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Speaker 2: with a fine tooth. Come take a listen, how' cut

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Speaker 2: sixty three from our friends at News Nation.

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Speaker 5: It appears to me that this is much more personal.

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Speaker 11: I've seen homicide scenes where the face is just destroyed,

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Speaker 11: and that's for a reason because they are either so

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Speaker 11: angry at this person and how attractive they may be,

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Speaker 11: that they're going to destroy that beauty because they've been rejected.

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Speaker 11: Now the boyfriend and all this stuff, they're going to

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Speaker 11: and what he was doing, because you've got you've got

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Speaker 11: what a five five and a half hour period here

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Speaker 11: is calling in a missing person report.

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Speaker 2: We're learning that some are reporting the boyfriend has an alibi,

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Speaker 2: and that alibi is that he was at.

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Speaker 5: An A A meeting.

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Speaker 2: You've either known someone in an AA meeting, you've been

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Speaker 2: in an AA meeting, you've seen it on a TV

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Speaker 5: Vincent Hill joining us Fox forty five.

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Speaker 2: If he was in an AA meeting, there's going to

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Speaker 2: be not only his sponsor, but other people who are

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Speaker 2: also at that meeting.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy on me. That could be verified very quickly

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Speaker 10: because those meetings are usually scheduled around the same time.

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Speaker 10: It's usually the same people that attend those meetings. So

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Speaker 10: if he was there, then someone can actually voucher him

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Speaker 10: very quickly and easily.

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Speaker 2: You know, I noticed his warning joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, sheriff, former homicide undercover narcotics agent. You can

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Speaker 2: find me ronbatemanbooks dot com, author of a crime trilogy,

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Speaker 2: Silent Blue Tears. Ron I noticed right at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: he said, when he was talking about his arrest record,

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Speaker 2: which is, let's just say, pretty extensive, fourteen rest since

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, he said, I'm eighteen months clean. When you

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Speaker 2: hear the words eighteen months clean, that does sound like

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Speaker 2: somebody in AA absolutely does.

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Speaker 6: And someone that's trying to h the be sober. They

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Speaker 6: always seem to know exactly how many months days you know,

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Speaker 6: they've been cleaned, So it sounds sounds.

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Speaker 5: Normal to me, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: They know it down to the day, because a struggle

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Speaker 2: against drugs or alcohol is.

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Speaker 5: A daily battle. A daily battle. It's got a hold

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Speaker 5: of you and you have to fight it with me.

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Speaker 2: Is doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Beverly

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Speaker 2: Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 5: Jumpan doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 13: You know, Nancy, not only is it a daily battle,

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Speaker 13: but it takes a lot of time for the brain

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Speaker 13: to recover from long term addiction. It's like an injury

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Speaker 13: to the brain. It changes. Long term addiction changes the

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Speaker 13: neuro receptor site. Think of the neuroceptor sites as the

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Speaker 13: steam on a flower.

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Speaker 2: First of all, when you throw around words like that

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Speaker 2: nero receptor sites, that could be anything.

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Speaker 5: You could be talking about a nuclear reactor, for all.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people know. Look, I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm not a shrink like you break it

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Speaker 2: down for me, doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 13: When you have used alcohol, drugs, methanthetamine, plot any substance,

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Speaker 13: the brain begins to crave it. The brain becomes dependent

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Speaker 13: So that's why time is so important. If you have

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Speaker 13: the less you crave that substance, the more you create

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Speaker 13: a different life and different patterns that are no longer

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Speaker 5: He says, specifically fifteen months clean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, a lot has been made that Rachel Morin

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Speaker 2: was on multiple dating sites before her murder. Seriously, you

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Speaker 2: got a mama five breaking into the dating scene.

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Speaker 5: Of course she's on multiple websites.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why the stigma attached to dating websites.

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Speaker 2: Sidney Diver tell you, my nephew, smart, smart, smart, double

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Speaker 2: major chemistry. It awesome job as an it troubleshooter. He

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Speaker 2: met his now wife on a dating website and they

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Speaker 2: they've been married, oh gosh, five seven years. So they

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Speaker 2: work not all the time, but they do work, and

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Speaker 2: they're such a stigma attached. I saw a banner Jessica

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Speaker 2: gar joining me. Hey, doctor Bethy, and Ron Bateman, doctor

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Speaker 2: g and Gorniat. We haven't gotten to you yet, because

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Speaker 2: everybody jump in, you know, Jessica Garth joining me, chief

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Speaker 2: of these Special Victims and Family Violence Unit in Prince

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Speaker 2: George's County. I hate it when a murder victim, a

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Speaker 2: I saw the banner Rachel Mooren on multiple dating sites,

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Speaker 2: like that's a bad thing. That was actually the banner

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Speaker 2: Rachel Mooren on quote multiple dating sites. Who gives a

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Speaker 2: flying fig if she was on dating websites. I only

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Speaker 2: care about it to the extent, Jessica. It could lead

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Speaker 2: don't like it a little bit when victims are somehow

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Speaker 2: might as well have been a saint. People still attacked

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Speaker 2: now this one is getting attacked because she gets spray

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Speaker 2: tnds and she's on websites.

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Speaker 1: Who cares?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Nancy.

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Speaker 14: already saying, you know, this woman shouldn't have been out

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Speaker 6: Drum with a partner.

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Speaker 14: Oh, she was a multiple dating website. You know, perhaps

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Speaker 14: but I think you're right. I mean, if we use

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Speaker 14: other men that she might have been talking to who

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Speaker 14: If it's something that would have upset her current boyfriend

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Speaker 14: useful information in that way, But the use of it

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Speaker 13: Murdered, Nancy, I think I see something else in this. Well,

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Speaker 13: maybe she was unhappy in her current relationship, and he

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Speaker 13: they've been together. He posted online, and then he took

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Speaker 13: that maybe this was a conflictual relationship. He's painting it

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Speaker 2: You know what, if you look at any relationship, you're

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Speaker 2: What is significant to me right now? Ron Bateman, and

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm interested in when it comes to her

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Speaker 2: what do you know about deleted posts? Are there more?

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, he's placing himself with her just before she goes missing.

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Speaker 2: Now there's two ways to look at that. Everybody jump in.

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Speaker 2: So somehow, amazingly, the killer, with split second timing swooped

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Speaker 5: Now this is different.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he the boyfriend, is placing himself with the victim

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Speaker 5: Back in and find the body.

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Speaker 2: He is away from her for many hours before the

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Speaker 12: The Harford County Sheriff's Office has a new way to

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Speaker 2: Did they see her alive? We don't know. Straight back

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Speaker 10: More importantly, if they did see her, was she alone?

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Speaker 13: And of course Nancy. She was very distinctive looking. Anybody

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Speaker 14: in that regard. They can say, you know, what time

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Speaker 14: they saw her or if they were there. You know,

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Speaker 14: she allegedly went running at seven pm and they didn't

443
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Speaker 14: see her at seven point thirty. We can narrow down

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Speaker 14: the time in which she might have been murdered. And

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Speaker 14: that's going to be really, really important. As investigators developed

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Speaker 14: a suspect in this case, when they get a statement

447
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Speaker 14: from him or her, you know, they're probably going to

448
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Speaker 14: have a timeline, and if they can, you know, sort

449
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Speaker 14: of rebuck that timeline with the time that they know

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Speaker 14: that she was actually murdered, it'll get us that much

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Speaker 14: closer to a conviction.

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Speaker 2: Dodger Methidy Marshall, We've gotten to the bottom of the mystery.

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Speaker 2: You are right, it's not her. But this couple walked

454
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Speaker 2: their dog three times a day and they very often

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Speaker 2: saw her while they're walking the dog.

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Speaker 5: Guys, does this become significant? Yes, it does.

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Speaker 2: These witnesses, potential witnesses may be able to place Rachel

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Speaker 2: Mourn at a location at a certain time. That certain

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Speaker 2: time may give the boyfriend an alibi. What if he's

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Speaker 2: at home cooking dinner. What if he's taking the children

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Speaker 2: through Chick fil a or McDonald's at that time and

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Speaker 2: there's a receipt showing it. Speaking of drive throughs, here's

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Speaker 2: a great example. Does everybody remember Drew Peterson, the Devil

464
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Speaker 2: from Hell. He's convicted on killing Let's see, I think

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Speaker 2: that would have been third wife Kathleen sauvi O and

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Speaker 2: then his next wife, Stacy Peterson's body has never been found.

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Speaker 2: The night she goes missing, he and another male are

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Speaker 2: seeing going through a drive through, and many people believe.

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Speaker 5: That is the night he disposed of Stacy's body.

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Speaker 2: So what if at the time these witnesses see Rachel

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Speaker 2: Morin on the trail, the boyfriend's had a drive through

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Speaker 2: or wherever.

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Speaker 5: He is an AA meeting.

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Speaker 2: So these witnesses can turn out to be very very significant.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: Another issue, and I want to take this to doctor

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Speaker 2: Jen Gorniac. We're now a medical examiner joining us out

478
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Speaker 2: of Clark County. That's Vegas Board certified forensic pathologist, Doctor Gorniac.

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Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe that there wasn't

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Speaker 2: a scream, There was no sound of an argument or

481
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Speaker 2: a scuffle or in anything when this lady was attacked.

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Speaker 2: We've been told by a rock which says to me,

483
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Speaker 2: crime of opportunity, not planned in advance. My question to

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Speaker 2: you is if we never find the rock, the blunt instrument,

485
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Speaker 2: wouldn't there be particles not seen by the naked eye

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Speaker 2: in her head and face the wounds that would indicate

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Speaker 2: a rock was the murder weapon.

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Speaker 16: It's possible that you could you could see some transfer

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Speaker 16: from from the rock. My thing is with this case

490
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Speaker 16: is nobody's confirming what her injuries are except for the

491
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Speaker 16: man who found her but didn't see her. But I

492
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Speaker 16: can say that she's not gonna have an open casket.

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Speaker 16: It's just so confusing. So yes, to answer your question.

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Speaker 16: You would think if someone's being attacked like that, there

495
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Speaker 16: might be a screen, but it might have happened so fast.

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Speaker 16: But how big is this rock? It's just there's for me,

497
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Speaker 16: there's just so many unanswered questions. She's naked, have they

498
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Speaker 16: found her clothes? Was a sexual assault kit performed? Are

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Speaker 16: those injuries that are being reported really true? Does she

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Speaker 16: have any defensive injuries? She sounds like someone who's real

501
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Speaker 16: taking care. Are her nails done or her nails cracked?

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Speaker 16: Was there any you know, what other information do we

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Speaker 16: have about what her cause of death is? And right

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Speaker 16: now all we have is possible aria heck.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's very interesting Vincent Hill that while Michael g

506
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Speaker 2: who originally said he saw her body found her body

507
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Speaker 2: has been somewhat discredited, it may have been the case

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Speaker 2: that his stepdaughter found it and he came upon it,

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Speaker 2: or she told him what she found. What I find

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Speaker 2: to be the most important part of what Michael g

511
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Speaker 2: had to say is that his words themselves have not

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Speaker 2: been discredited. He may be repeating what a stepdaughter told him,

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Speaker 2: he may be recounting what he learned, but his actual

514
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Speaker 2: words that she was found naked, face up on a

515
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Speaker 2: trail and the right side of her face bashed in,

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Speaker 2: which tells me, gosh, if she were bashed in on

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Speaker 2: the right side of her face, would that mean that

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Speaker 2: the pert would have been using a left hand.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, that's a whole other can of worms. But what

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Speaker 5: we're learning at.

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Speaker 16: Nanty this is doctor Gorniacke again real quick. So one first, Tom,

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Speaker 16: it doesn't mean it's like something hit her or her

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Speaker 16: head or her head hit something. So she could have

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Speaker 16: been pushed down onto the rock because the rock was bloody,

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Speaker 16: and I don't know how big the rock is, so

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Speaker 16: not necessarily hit with the rock. Her head could have

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Speaker 16: been pushed into the rock.

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Speaker 5: Then she was on her back. She was on her back,

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Speaker 5: How would that have happened?

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Speaker 16: Well, they the person could have hit her right and

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Speaker 16: then moved her.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe falling on a rock would have bashed

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Speaker 2: the whole side of her face.

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Speaker 16: In not falling, someone forcibly pushing her.

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Speaker 6: Into a rock.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, Vincent Hill, what about it?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, that Michael person. I was told by the

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Speaker 10: sheriff he had no firsthand knowledge of the crime scene.

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Speaker 10: So he may have been going off what he says

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Speaker 10: is his stepdaughter's words. And she was the one that

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Speaker 10: called nine one one saying she found Rachel's body. But

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Speaker 10: we don't know exactly because the sheriff's office has not

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Speaker 10: released or the medical examiner has not.

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Speaker 6: Released her cause of death.

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Speaker 10: We're just speculating on what he says that his stepdaughter

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Speaker 10: told me.

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Speaker 5: Did the sharriffs ever say his words were not true? Vincent?

548
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Speaker 10: But the Sheriff's office told me, Nancy was he has

549
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Speaker 10: no first hand knowledge of the crime scene. He did

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Speaker 10: not find Rachel or witness her body.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then no, they're not claiming that that information

552
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Speaker 2: is false. It's just that he's not the one that

553
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Speaker 2: found her.

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Speaker 5: First.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our

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Speaker 2: cut sixty. Our friends at WMAR.

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Speaker 9: The public hungary b answers is gobbling up coverage of

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Speaker 9: virtually anyone claiming to have information about the keys.

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Speaker 8: Basically, when we walked up, we saw fresh blood and

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Speaker 8: my daughter's boyfriend thought it was dear blood at first.

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Speaker 9: Please say they're frustrated by such people seeking the spotlight.

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Speaker 17: Obviously there are people out there who are coming up

563
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Speaker 17: with putting out information in the public that they have

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Speaker 17: no first hand knowledge of, talking about the crime scene

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Speaker 17: that they have no tay and knowledge of.

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Speaker 2: I'm also curious to you, Ron Bateman, Jessica Garth, doctor

567
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Speaker 2: Bethany Vincent Hill if she had been on these dating sites?

568
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Speaker 2: Is there an X out there, an X or someone

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Speaker 2: on these dating sites that she had rebuffed? Also, what

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Speaker 2: do we know about her cell phone? Take a listen

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Speaker 2: howur cut fifty eight. This is gg McKelvey from The

572
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Speaker 2: Pretty Lies and Alby's podcast at NewsNation.

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Speaker 18: I believe there are a few axes from the past

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Speaker 18: that I'm sure they're looking into at this point, anybody,

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Speaker 18: I'm sure her phone is going to be a big

576
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Speaker 18: source of information. Who did she last contact before she

577
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Speaker 18: went to the trail of the location?

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Speaker 5: Pings?

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Speaker 18: Did she go somewhere before and also what's interesting is

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Speaker 18: this trail had backs up right to an apartment complex.

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Speaker 18: It's literally in the parking lot of an apartment complex.

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Speaker 18: I'm interested to see what kind of surveillance they have.

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Speaker 18: Did they see her get out of her car and

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Speaker 18: start down on the trail?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 2: That leads me to an entire other line of reasoning,

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Speaker 2: Ron Bateman.

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Speaker 5: If this trail backs right up.

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Speaker 2: To an apartment complex, who in that apartment complex could

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Speaker 2: have been watching her every single time she went on

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Speaker 2: a high Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Very true. There's only two places to park. I was

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Speaker 6: there yesterday for two hours, and there's one end it's

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Speaker 6: only six and a quarter miles long, and then there's

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Speaker 6: the end I believe her car was found. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: that would be something that I would definitely be looking

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Speaker 6: at again. More cameras and people's front doors, you know,

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Speaker 6: are they seeing her? Are they do we catch it

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Speaker 6: on camera? You know, with her getting out with someone else,

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Speaker 6: or someone following her, someone acting strange. That would be

601
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Speaker 6: definitely a great investigative tool to search out. When you're ready,

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you about my observation zone.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready. Tell me everything you observed.

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Speaker 6: There's pretty much two primary areas to park to enter

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Speaker 6: the trail in the area I believe Rachel parked. It

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Speaker 6: would be very important to look at people's cameras to

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Speaker 6: see if she was alone and see if someone was

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Speaker 6: by watching her, talking with her, or walking close behind her,

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Speaker 6: something strange like that. So what I saw yesterday was

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Speaker 6: was several women walking alone, walking together, men and women walking,

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Speaker 6: one person riding your bike. The trail was occupied yesterday.

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Speaker 6: There were three deputies on three separate four wheelers that

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Speaker 6: were riding up and down the trail. And I'm not

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Speaker 6: trying to bash the Serrus office. Sure they're going a

615
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Speaker 6: great job, but no one ever bothered talk to me

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Speaker 6: or my associated was with me. And if I was

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Speaker 6: the shriff, I would make sure I would have all

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Speaker 6: ten deputies that are assigned to this their business cards.

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Speaker 6: You know, with those deputies riding the four wheelers and

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Speaker 6: handing them out, you know, you need to talk to people.

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Speaker 6: You need to find out did you see anything? Do

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Speaker 6: you know anything? Sometimes you have to pull it out

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Speaker 6: of people, And if you give them a card, at

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Speaker 6: least they leave with it. They'll be at home and

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Speaker 6: they'll have something to referred to. If they say, oh,

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Speaker 6: you know what, I did see something kind of weird,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna call.

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Speaker 5: Them anyway, Ron, did you see the spot where Rachel

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Speaker 5: was killed?

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Speaker 6: I believe. So here's what's important. What I saw, And

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Speaker 6: maybe these came from the dog witnesses, the dog walking witnesses.

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Speaker 6: There were three detectives about three hundred yards away from

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Speaker 6: what I believe was the scene. They were in the woods.

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Speaker 6: They were at least thirty yards off the trail in

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Speaker 6: the woods at a unique location, and they were walking around,

636
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Speaker 6: appeared to be looking for something. They weren't doing a

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Speaker 6: systematic grid search or anything like that, but they were

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Speaker 6: walking around and that was definitely key to me because

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Speaker 6: it was so far from the scene. And I mean,

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Speaker 6: any touch on this point real quick. So, like I

641
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Speaker 6: was saying in the beginning, if it came through or not,

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Speaker 6: it's a vast, vast amount of woods there around this

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Speaker 6: whole bomb Pow trail. It would take hundreds, hundreds of

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Speaker 6: police or deputies to search this area. And I believe

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Speaker 6: if we were to believe the stepdaughter, but this is

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Speaker 6: such a violent crime, then there's going to be blood

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Speaker 6: on the killer's shirts and pants. This time of year,

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Speaker 6: you can leave the woods without a shirt, you can't

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Speaker 6: leave without pants, without your pants, so I would believe

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Speaker 6: they would strip that all pretty quickly, so not to

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Speaker 6: be detected by anyone with blood on your shirt. And

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Speaker 6: if you have blood on your hands, if you hit

653
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Speaker 6: someone with a rock, you would have blood on your hands.

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Speaker 6: You would wipe your hands off on your shirt.

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Speaker 2: Curious about the location where you believe that Rachel was murdered.

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Speaker 5: Was it on a curve?

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Speaker 2: Was there anything around that spot where someone could have

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Speaker 2: lain in?

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Speaker 5: Wait?

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, there there are smaller tunnels. I was looking

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Speaker 6: at those. I was looking because I believe also a

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Speaker 6: crime of opportunity. I was looking for where this impression

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Speaker 6: of possibly a rock could have been, and that that

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Speaker 6: also can can lead you to bleed or leads you

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Speaker 6: down the path. You know where they lying in wait,

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Speaker 6: you know where their where their cigarette butts. You know

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Speaker 6: near where this impression where the rock used to be.

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Speaker 6: But yes, there is, to answer your question, smaller tunnels

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Speaker 6: that were right next to the big tunnel. There's at

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Speaker 6: least two that I saw.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Again, the focus is not only on the boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: which is to be expected, but beyond. With law enforcement

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Speaker 2: asking for tips from the public, does that mean they

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Speaker 2: don't have a clue are they misleading the real target?

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Speaker 2: Take a listen, our cut l our forensic crime.

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Speaker 19: Online, many are questioning why it took Rachel Morin's boyfriend,

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Speaker 19: Richard Tobin nearly five and a half hours to report

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Speaker 19: the mom missing. Several Facebook users pointed to Tobin's statement

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Speaker 19: that he's quote fifteen months clean and thought that the

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Speaker 19: twenty seven year old may have been attending an AA

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Speaker 19: meeting at the Manhouse. The home houses recovering male addicts

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Speaker 19: that have been formally diagnosed with alcoholism or chemical dependency,

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Speaker 19: also hosting meetings open to the public daily, with three

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Speaker 19: options on Saturday, the latest scheduled for seven pm.

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Speaker 2: The significance I find in that Vincent Hill is that

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Speaker 2: if he was at one of those meetings, that would

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Speaker 2: explain the delay in reporting. And often just human nature,

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Speaker 2: when somebody's late coming home to supper or late for

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Speaker 2: whatever event, you don't immediately think, oh.

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Speaker 5: They'd been murdered.

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Speaker 2: You wait, You wait a couple of hours and try

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Speaker 2: to figure out what's happening, try to call and try

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Speaker 2: to contact them, And I believe that his cell phone

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Speaker 2: should indicate that's what he was doing, trying to reach her.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of that Vincent.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. I mean, if he was at this

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Speaker 10: meeting a that can be verified. And also we don't

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Speaker 10: know what conversation the two may have had before she

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Speaker 10: went to the trail. She may have said, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 10: going to go to the trail and then stop by

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Speaker 10: my friend's house, grab some dinner, and come home. So

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Speaker 10: you're right, you don't immediately think it's been three hours

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Speaker 10: something has to be wrong because at the end of

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Speaker 10: the day, we're adults. We go out, we go and

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Speaker 10: live our lives, so there was nothing to float to say, oh,

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Speaker 10: something's wrong immediately.

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Speaker 6: Let me add to that, it's definitely really important to

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Speaker 6: get a hold of her cell phone into a search

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Speaker 6: boar on and get the voicemail. Let's face that they

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Speaker 6: were in an argument. There might be a nasty voicemail

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Speaker 6: that he left her or apologize I did that.

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Speaker 2: No, we're also learning from the people that saw her

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Speaker 2: routinely that she would usually have earbuds in or listening

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Speaker 2: to music. Did that make it easier for someone to

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Speaker 2: attack her? Doctor Bethany jump in.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a huge story hole in all

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Speaker 13: of this to me, and that is that not one

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Speaker 13: friend has come forward. We know the people who saw

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Speaker 13: her on the trail. She was only with this new

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Speaker 13: boyfriend for a number of months, and he says he

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Speaker 13: went looking with the children. I mean, that's a very

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Speaker 13: close bonded relationship for a family that you've only only

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Speaker 13: been with for a few for a few short months.

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Speaker 13: So what about her friends? Where were they? What about

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Speaker 13: the people at this lawn? Why there are no stories

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Speaker 13: that I'm hearing from people who knew her well and

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Speaker 13: knew who routine who, or who could even talk a

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Speaker 13: little bit about her relationship with her boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, We're learning a lot about her life.

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Speaker 2: What's your observation, Well.

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Speaker 13: Nancy, there was an older couple who was interviewed who

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Speaker 13: said that she was a cleaning person in their home.

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Speaker 13: Apparently she owned her own cleaning service. And so that

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Speaker 13: told me not only was she beloved because they said

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Speaker 13: they really liked her, but she was a hard worker

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Speaker 13: taking care of those five kids all on her own,

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Speaker 13: scrubbing other people's toilets, cleaning their windows, sweeping their floors.

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Speaker 13: This was a person who was not afraid to do

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Speaker 13: whatever she had to do to take care of her family.

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Speaker 13: And so when all that information comes out about the

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Speaker 13: dating apps and you know, attempts to smear her character,

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Speaker 13: we have to remember the true core of who she was,

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Speaker 13: which was somebody who would do anything to take care

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Speaker 13: of the people around her.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: disappearance and death of Rachel Mourn, please dial eight eight

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Speaker 2: five four zero eight four seven seven repeat eight eight

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Speaker 2: five four zero eight four seven seven.

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Speaker 5: Goodbye friend,