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Speaker 2: immediately following Day three of the NFL Draft. All seven

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Speaker 2: Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio recapping the entire draft

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna discuss day three, then put a bow

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Speaker 2: how we doing today, Casey, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: BORDERLINI he isn't. He is a remarkable athlete if you

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Speaker 1: You're getting almost two first times downs every time we

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Speaker 2: Man So a former high school track star with the

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in what the plan on offense for Gould

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Speaker 2: No, that's the biggest thing I think that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, clearly, we talk about all of his numbers

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Speaker 2: All right, some sound Anthony Gould on the hallmarks of

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Speaker 2: All right, that's Anthony Gold. He was the first of

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Speaker 2: three draft picks for the Colts in round number five.

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Speaker 2: So let's fast forward. Now we go to pick number

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Speaker 2: one fifty one for the Colts. In the fifth round,

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Speaker 2: they drafted Jalen Carlis out of Missouri and raise a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a guy from my high school played

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Speaker 3: A college wow, Dallas Flowers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I went to a pretty big went to

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Speaker 2: In high school, we got that. Yeah, you and Dallas

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely as old as Dallas Flowers.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, Carlis played safety in college. But man, this

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Speaker 2: He also played corner in college as well, played that

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Speaker 2: talking about a safety, a corner, outside linebacker at times

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Speaker 2: the final three years at Missouri. But the thing that

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Speaker 1: Listing him as a linebacker coming out, and that is

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Speaker 1: owing to I mean, like you mentioned may Te, the size.

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Speaker 1: He's already two hundred and twenty seven pounds. Just a

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Speaker 1: heaviest quote unquote safety that Dane Brugler compiled in The

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Speaker 1: Beast Big Draft Guide right for the Athletic. But the thing,

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Speaker 1: is not saying that Jalen Carliza is going to be

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Speaker 2: You know, propensity is there that gets you excited, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean just that the arm length that he possesses,

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Speaker 1: can see the vision for this guy, just the athletic profile,

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Speaker 1: like this. Hey this, Yeah, you played safety, you know

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Speaker 2: Well, you ask yourself, I mean, what kind of depth

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Speaker 2: I think within this scheme and this system and this

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Speaker 3: That's That's honestly what I kept thinking about hearing you know,

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Speaker 2: To do a lot.

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Speaker 3: Because go back to say, yeah, I mean those are

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Speaker 3: that means, and it shows how important they feel you

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Speaker 3: of follow in those footsteps, I completely agree. And another

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Speaker 3: little thing too. He's a two time academic, you know,

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Speaker 2: Not hard to do, JJ, Come on, I mean Missouri, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So okay, real quick though, I do want to because

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Speaker 1: So like again, I'm talking about literally just his arm,

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Speaker 2: Well, see if he can get on the field. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: I feel like with the scheme that I that we

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Speaker 7: And is there a few players you looked at like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: I can take something from his game, or this is

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Speaker 1: Up to in the league.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I've seen guys like Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James,

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Speaker 2: Right, Jalen carlis out of Missouri right there at pick

434
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Speaker 2: number one fifty one at pick number one fifty five

435
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Speaker 2: for the Colts, the Colts trade a fifth round pick

436
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Speaker 2: to the Philadelphia Eagles for a fifth round one sixty

437
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Speaker 2: four and also a sixth rounder today at two oh one,

438
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Speaker 2: So the Colts moved back in the fifth round nine

439
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Speaker 2: spots to get the sixth round pick they gave up

440
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Speaker 2: on Friday. So with pick one sixty four, the Colts

441
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Speaker 2: drafted Jalen Simpson. He's a defensive back out of Auburn.

442
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 2: Played safety and corner in college. The Colts are going

443
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Speaker 2: to list him as a corner. I believe Simpson was

444
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Speaker 2: second team All SEC last year played in the Senior Bowl.

445
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: He was a five year player at Auburn and he

446
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Speaker 2: had three different head coaches, so he was able to

447
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: overcome that piece of adversity. But this past season four

448
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 2: picks took one back for a touchdown, finished his career

449
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 2: with twenty one passes knockdown. A former three sport athlete

450
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: in college, he was all stayed in both the high

451
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Speaker 2: jump and in basketball all so played baseball. I think

452
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 2: even he played some quarterback in high school based on

453
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: what I saw. But at the combine JJ this is

454
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: another athletic freak thirty nine and a half vertical jump,

455
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: ran the forty yard dash in four point four to

456
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Speaker 2: five seconds. Played a ton, played a ton of football

457
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Speaker 2: in the SEC, and was able to go up elite,

458
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: go up against elite competition like neighbors and Jayden Daniels

459
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Speaker 2: and Brian Thomas. So this guy is he's ready for

460
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 2: the show if he will in the NFL because he

461
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: played a ton in the farm system that is the SEC.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like looking at you know, just some of

463
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Speaker 1: those athletic testing profiles like you mentioned for a guy

464
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Speaker 1: who did play a lot of safety in college. But

465
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Speaker 1: you know, again he's got he's got adequate speed to

466
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Speaker 1: play corner. He can you know, make me know, jump

467
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Speaker 1: at almost forty inches like you mentioned, mate. And then

468
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Speaker 1: the production he had at Auburn was good. I mean

469
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: seven total interceptions in his college career, fourteen pass breakups.

470
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Speaker 1: He had the four interceptions in twenty twenty three. He

471
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Speaker 1: you know, at one hundred and seventy nine pounds, maybe

472
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Speaker 1: he needs to put on a little bit of weight,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe potentially gain a little bit there

474
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Speaker 1: just to deal with the size and speed of NFL receivers.

475
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Speaker 1: But a guy who absolutely fits the athletic requirements of

476
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Speaker 1: playing cornerback in the NFL and presumably playing outside cornerback. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

478
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Speaker 2: Casey's surprised the Colts waited until their seventh draft pick

479
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Speaker 2: to pick a corner I mean, a top cornerback on

480
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Speaker 2: the roster is probably still in debate right now, but

481
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Speaker 2: at least Simpson gives you a lot of flexibility.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, definitely there's a surprise, just because for

483
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Speaker 3: the last three months, it seems like that is the

484
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Speaker 3: biggest need, according to everybody out there that has put

485
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Speaker 3: out a mock draft or anybody you're watching. I mean,

486
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Speaker 3: it seems like corner was a very, you know, prominent

487
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Speaker 3: position that the Colts were going to be selecting, not

488
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Speaker 3: just in the draft, but early in the draft, and you, as.

489
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Speaker 2: You mentioned, you do wait later.

490
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Speaker 3: I was always a big believer, honestly, of what this

491
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: team had already on the roster.

492
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Speaker 2: I was okay with what you had.

493
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Speaker 3: You know, Juju Brent showed that when he's healthy, he

494
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: can play at a pretty high level. I think Jalen

495
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 3: Jones really did grow as the season went on.

496
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Speaker 1: And when if you get.

497
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Speaker 3: Datlers Flowers back. I really do like that group, especially

498
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Speaker 3: with Kenny Moore, you know, being that veteran guy. So

499
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Speaker 3: I didn't look at it as like this glaring need

500
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Speaker 3: you had to address. I do like them going and

501
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: getting some depth there because you're always going you.

502
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Speaker 2: Can never have too many corners.

503
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Speaker 3: It's also one of those I mean, I feel like

504
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: I say this about every position, you can't have too

505
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: many of those, but definitely a corner, you definitely need

506
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: to always have a good amount of guys at that spot.

507
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: So maybe I'm a little surprised he took him at

508
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Speaker 3: this point, but I'm not at all surprised at why

509
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: they tried. They decided to go with this guy with

510
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: all those athletic traits you talk about.

511
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Speaker 1: I just want to throw this out there about the

512
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: Colts cornerbacks too, where the way that they usually play them,

513
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Speaker 1: you have one guy who in this case is Juju

514
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Speaker 1: Brent is kind of playing that man coverage. You know,

515
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: you're in press right up against your guy on one side,

516
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: and then the other side is a corner who's gonna

517
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: play off coverage, which in this case was Jalen Jones

518
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: last year. And I think we all know the talent

519
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: that Juju has. We've seen it. He's the second round pick,

520
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: he's got the pedigree. But I just want to do

521
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: a quick little defense of Jalen Jones here because I

522
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: kept seeing people being like, well, you can replace him

523
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones last year. If Jalen Jones stunk, if he

524
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: was bad, teams would have picked on him a lot

525
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: more than they did among cornerbacks who played this looks

526
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: like about four hundred coverage snaps minimum. Last year, Jalen

527
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: Jones played four hundred and seventy five coverage snaps. He's

528
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: only targeted fifty seven times. If he was awful, teams

529
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: would have been thrown at him all day long and

530
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. And then think about it this way, well, okay,

531
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Speaker 1: what if that's maybe more of a function of the

532
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Speaker 1: way Gus Bradley plays defense, Then why do you need

533
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Speaker 1: to spend a high pick to upgrade over someone who

534
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: maybe isn't gonna get the ball thrown out him? That

535
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones last year. If you look at Pro Football Focus,

536
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: they have a stat it's yards per coverage snap allowed,

537
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: which you know it's one of those where like whenever

538
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: I bring it up to people. They're like, yeah, you

539
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: just made that up, but it does show how many, right,

540
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: But it tells you, hey, if this if this guy stinks,

541
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: this number is gonna be high because no matter how

542
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: many snaps are playing, they're gonna be thrown at you

543
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: a bunch. You're gonna be given up explosive plays all

544
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: over the place. Jalen Jones last year allowed zero point

545
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: seventy two yards per coverage snap. Here's the context. That's

546
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Speaker 1: the fourth lowest a rookie has had in the last

547
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Speaker 1: ten years, behind three guys Sauce Gardner, Joey Porter Junior,

548
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: and Nate Hobbs so Aga. And that's one stat that

549
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Jalen Jones is like in the same era

550
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: as those guys, but if he sucked, they would have

551
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: been thrown at him a lot more. Chris Ballard, if

552
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: you've listened to everything that he has said leading up

553
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: to this draft, it has been we like our corners,

554
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 1: they got experience this last year, they're no longer rookies.

555
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: We feel good about them. This draft shows you that

556
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: those words they actually met something. Yeah from Chris Ballot, Yeah,

557
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: they meant that. Hey, we believe in these guys. The

558
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: Colts still added a couple guys in the cornerback room.

559
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you still add a veteran in there, but it

560
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: wasn't just like redline need of like we got to

561
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: get a corner on day one, Okay, we got to

562
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Speaker 1: get a corner. On day two, Okay, we didn't get him.

563
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: We got to get a corner with our first couple

564
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Speaker 1: picks on day three. We didn't do that. That's because

565
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Speaker 1: the Colts believe in these guys, and believe the Colts

566
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Speaker 1: when they tell you they believe in them.

567
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: Well, actions speak louder than words, right, and that's the

568
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: case here where the Colts don't address that perceived need

569
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Speaker 2: right away, at least in the first, you know, three

570
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: rounds of the draft. But you're right, it certainly does

571
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: tell you that Jalen Jones is a building piece and

572
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about what he showed in

573
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: his rookie campaign. And with Simpson in mind, it's just

574
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: another guy that can play. He can play free safety,

575
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: he can play cornerback. He said he had some contact

576
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: with Gus Bradley and that he'll do whatever it takes

577
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: to get on the field.

578
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 3: Here.

579
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: Some quick sound on Simpson again, this is him being

580
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: ready for the NFL because of all that talent he

581
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: saw every Saturday in the SEC.

582
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean SEC.

583
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: Man.

584
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Speaker 8: We played against the biggest and the baddest, you know,

585
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 8: a bunch of those guys win the first round, played

586
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 8: against like Naples for three years, Stay and Dames, like

587
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 8: all of those guys, and you know, playing against them,

588
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 8: playing against guys on my team, just prepared the right way.

589
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 8: I feel like it's the best conference, is close to

590
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 8: thing to the NFL. But you know, starting at corner

591
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 8: and safety and you know, playing those five years at

592
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 8: Auburn has really molded me to a great player, and

593
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Speaker 8: I just felt like it was the right time for

594
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 8: me to, you know, take it to the next level

595
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 8: and you know, just continue to do what I've been doing.

596
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Indeed, Jalen Simpson right there all right after him, we

597
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: had to wait a little bit. We had to wait

598
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: until pick two hundred and one. The Colts here in

599
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: the sixth round. This is the pick they got back.

600
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: They drafted Micah Abraham Marshall Fellas. This is a non

601
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: power five pick, of course, and it's kind of a

602
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: smaller corner. He's five to eleven one eighty five one

603
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: to ninety ish red shirt senior coming out, but he

604
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: was an absolute beast a minutes in the secondary for

605
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: Marshall the last three years. He started every game during

606
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: that span except for one, and his play this past

607
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: season earned him first team All sun Belt honors for

608
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Speaker 2: the second consecutive season. Last year, six picks placed him

609
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: tied for third in college football, also tied for the lead,

610
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: and the Sun Belt had double digit pass breakups the

611
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: past three seasons. In fact, I think he holds the

612
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: Marshall career record for passes defense with fifty five. So Casey,

613
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: great ball skills, really good speed, competed in track and

614
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: field in the one hundred meters two hundred meters four

615
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: by one hundred, four by four hundred and the bloodlines.

616
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: You talked about the bloodlines. Old pops played in the

617
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: NFL as well.

618
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Donnie Abraham, I remember watching him play. And

619
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: then he also said, as his cousin is Tim Jennings,

620
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 3: and we all we all remember Tim Jennings. And that's

621
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: I love when you when you look at the blood lines,

622
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: like that's always really fun to be because what I

623
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: what I gain from that is what we see out

624
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: of Josh downs. They just kind of know how to

625
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: be a pro. So you already come in a little

626
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: bit more on the mature side of how to handle

627
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: your business because you have seen there's no doubt. I

628
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: mean you have seen the way that it. You know

629
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: what it takes to be successful in this league. And

630
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: you talk about his bloodline, very successful guys in that

631
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: family at this level.

632
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: And and I kind of love this pick.

633
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: When you go late, you go to.

634
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: A guy out of Marshall who you captain all that

635
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: is there. So I am all for this. And you

636
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: never know, you might be able to find a Jim

637
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: this late and a guy that you can plug in

638
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: and play and he can have a really good career.

639
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see JJ Did you see his his

640
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: zoom interview? Really well spoken guy intelligence.

641
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: I saw the clip of his dad, who's the defensive

642
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Saint Louis BattleHawks. Yes, in uh, in

643
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: the the UFL, I feel bad. I have a bunch

644
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: of friends who are actually battle Hawks season ticket holders,

645
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: who are probably you should know what that is. Uh,

646
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: But that was that was really cool seeing seeing that moment.

647
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's gonna get you, buddy.

648
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: There are some people battle Hawks sell off their games. Man. Anyway,

649
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Speaker 1: this is not a saying Lois battle Hawks podcast. This

650
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Speaker 1: is about the Colt a tailgate town. They Okay, we're

651
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Speaker 1: not going on this tangent because they do tailgate really

652
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Speaker 1: well for BattleHawks games. But no, really, really really cool

653
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: story for him. Uh. You know a guy who goes

654
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Speaker 1: to Marshall. He's kind of undersized, but like he just

655
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Speaker 1: he maakes plays twelve career interceptions, ten of which came

656
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Speaker 1: in the last two years. You know a guy who

657
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just in the late in the draft,

658
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Speaker 1: if a guy's athletic and he's got ball skills at

659
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Speaker 1: the corner, just go get.

660
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Speaker 2: Him and he's going to battle as you know what,

661
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: all right, exact, and that's what that's what you want.

662
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Speaker 2: That's what you're going for is guys that just get

663
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Speaker 2: it love football, especially late in the draft, right, And

664
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Speaker 2: so that's what the Colts do here in the sixth round.

665
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Speaker 2: So Abraham is a guy to keep an eye on.

666
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Speaker 2: And here he is talking about what he brings to

667
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Speaker 2: the table and all that production despite being quote unquote undersized.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm someone who obviously, uh they'll say is undersized.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I'm someone who plays with a tip

670
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Speaker 7: on the shoulder. I'm someone who has to be good

671
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 7: and excel in different areas because of that. Uh So,

672
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Speaker 7: you know, one of the things, one of the things

673
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Speaker 7: I can bring is obviously my speed, my game IQ

674
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Speaker 7: and just my ball production.

675
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Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as like a nickel corner?

676
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Speaker 7: Is that what you played a lot in college or

677
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Speaker 7: what was was kind of your background there? Yeah, so

678
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 7: I I started outside corner, but obviously I feel like

679
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Speaker 7: I'm very versatile. My freshman year on Marshall, I started

680
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Speaker 7: at safety because it's what they needed and it's what

681
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Speaker 7: they asked of me. And I played a couple of

682
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Speaker 7: games at nickel. So you know, anything the Coles seem

683
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Speaker 7: me to do, I feel like I can do that,

684
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Speaker 7: whether it's being at nickel or being out outside.

685
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Speaker 2: All the right answers right there from Micah Abraham from

686
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Speaker 2: marsh He's now in the fold here with the Colts

687
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: in the sixth round, all right. Then with the last

688
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: pick in their draft, again we had to wait a

689
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: little bit. Fellas pick two thirty four, Colts draft defensive

690
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: lineman jonah La Ululu. All right, we'll see again if

691
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Speaker 2: we can get final pronunciation from him when he comes

692
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Speaker 2: in for rookie mini camp one more time. Jonah Lululu

693
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma, started his career at Hawaii, then transferred to

694
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Speaker 2: the Sooners. Last year, he played in thirteen games, made

695
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: three starts. All of those starts came at the beginning

696
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: of the season. Didn't really put up huge numbers last year.

697
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Had eleven tackles, three for loss. He had a sack.

698
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Was not invited to the Combine, but spent some time

699
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Speaker 2: playing defensive end as well, So he plays inside outside.

700
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Speaker 2: Really no surprise there in terms of what the Colts

701
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Speaker 2: prioritize with. Chris Ballard loves that position flexibility from his

702
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: defensive line draft picks. But at his pro day he

703
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: stepped up nine foot ten excuse me, a nine foot

704
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: ten inch broad jump, thirty six inch vertical, both of

705
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Speaker 2: which would have ranked first among defensive tackles at the Combine.

706
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Had a really good forty yard dash. So again, JJ,

707
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Speaker 2: you're you're drafting for traits at the end of the draft,

708
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Speaker 2: and this dude might be a diamond in the rough,

709
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: but of course a really tough position to crack based

710
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: on the depth the Coults have up front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're looking at the seventh round and

712
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: you're kind of all, right, do we go after this

713
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: guy as a priority free agent? Do we you know,

714
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Speaker 1: just say, I forget it. We want to make sure

715
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Speaker 1: we get him here, right, instead of risking him to

716
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Speaker 1: that pool. And you know, the culture a team that

717
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: is always going to bet on traits, They're always going

718
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: to bet on the explosive athlete. And that's what this

719
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Speaker 1: guy is. He's you know, the at what two hundred

720
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and ninety two pounds, he ran a sub five forty

721
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned may Te, the thirty six in inch vertical,

722
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: the really impressive broad jump. That's an explosive athlete right there.

723
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Speaker 1: And this is the kind of guy who the Colts

724
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Speaker 1: have shown time and time again they are going to

725
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: bet on. And I mean, you're right, the depth chart

726
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle is that's that ain't easy to crack with. Obviously,

727
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you've got you know, DeForrest Buckner, Grover Stewart at the

728
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: top of it, Raekwon Davis coming in as a free agent,

729
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: Tavin Bryan coming back. That's kind of you know, your

730
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: four veterans, and then you still have out of Tommy

731
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Speaker 1: White at a bar Ray or Johnson the second. So

732
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: you kind of have six guys who have some equity

733
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Speaker 1: within this team, whether it's through their contract, through experience

734
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Speaker 1: with the coaching staff or both that now, you know, uh,

735
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Speaker 1: give me the pronunciation again, Lulu la lululu.

736
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Speaker 2: According according to Oklahoma's website, jonah la ululu la ululu. Yeah,

737
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: thank you, Yeah, a lot of lows.

738
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Speaker 1: La Ululu is gonna have to really, you know, compete

739
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: his butt off to make this team. But again, hey,

740
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Speaker 1: you you get a guy with the right athleticism in

741
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: the right situation, who's got he's gonna learn from some

742
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of the best in the league. And you know, you

743
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: never you never want to rule those guys out.

744
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. All Right. So that is the

745
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: draft Hall for the Colts on this Saturday, as we

746
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Speaker 2: kind of wrap up this podcast, and obviously we'll get

747
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Speaker 2: into more depth and detail next week when we have

748
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Speaker 2: more time to let the dust settle and crunch these

749
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: numbers and these players and get to know them, uh

750
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: with a with more familiarity here, Casey, But I'll just

751
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: throw it to you first, what do you make of

752
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: the draft haul in totality, big picture question. I know

753
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: we're just minutes after the the draft has concluded, but

754
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: how much better do the Colts get this weekend?

755
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: Well, I think you got to start with the guys

756
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: they take it. You know, the first and the second

757
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: picks of this draft class, very impact guys that probably

758
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 3: when you look at what they're gonna do as rookies,

759
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: are going to make an impact early and and that's

760
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: what you're looking for with those spots. And then I mean, ultimately,

761
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: the depth pieces you've added, you really set yourself up.

762
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: I know JJ talks about you're not drafting for your

763
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: needs today, you're looking at their what is your what

764
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Speaker 3: is your go to?

765
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Speaker 8: There you go?

766
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: So that phrase it applies so well with what this

767
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: team did. Christie, it's it's it's perfect. I mean, I

768
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: never shop on an empty never well I know that

769
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Speaker 3: all too well.

770
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Speaker 1: Honestly, that's a pretty good that's pretty good advice for

771
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: the draft too. Yeah, never draft on you know, an

772
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: empty up chart. Yeah, but I mean that.

773
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Speaker 3: Ultimately, when I look at that, you look at the

774
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: offensive line, you can never you can never just be

775
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: satisfied with what you have and you think about it. Yeah,

776
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 3: you're returning all five starters, but then you start looking

777
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: at the contracts and how that's going to even out,

778
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: and you've addressed those spots where if something were to happen,

779
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: Let's say Ryan Kelly, you know, at the end of

780
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: this year, decides to go elsewhere or something, you've got

781
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Speaker 3: some guys in the fold there, or you know Will

782
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Fries if he has another big year and his contract

783
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: gets to the point where it's too high for needs.

784
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: When you look at what you're already paying this line,

785
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: that's what you got to look at. You know, you

786
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: have guys under contract for this year. It's a year

787
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: to year league. Yeah, maybe you didn't get as many

788
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: impact guys that are gonna step in and be starters,

789
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: but there's a reason for that. It's because you essentially

790
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: bring back the entire starting roster from last year.

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Speaker 2: J J the biggest thing that stands out to me now,

792
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: and it's fun to look at this kind of stuff

793
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: going into the start of OTA's and obviously again we

794
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: have a ways to go before training camp. But the

795
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: wide receiver depth, now you got Pittman, you got Downs,

796
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: you got Mitchell Gould, Pierce, Ashton Dolan. That's six right there.

797
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: That meats who in the heck are you gonna cut

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: if you're gonna try to keep only five, which I

799
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: don't think the Colts will. I think they'll expand that

800
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: that position roster to six going into training camp or

801
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: I should say, the regular season. But man, that's if

802
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: you're playing a game right now, that's that's that's a

803
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: pretty good lineup.

804
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the depth there you're feeling really good about.

805
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Whereas last year, you know that the Colts primarily played

806
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the same three guys. It was Pittman, it was Pierce,

807
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: and it was Josh Downs uh with you know a

808
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit of Isaiah mackenzie sprinkled in there. But then

809
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: when someone went down, you know, you're calling DJ Montgomery

810
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: up from the practice squad who did an admirable job.

811
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Speaker 1: Admirable job, but you know you'd like those guys, those

812
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: depths to come right on your roster. So you know,

813
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: we'll kind of see where that that goes. But yeah,

814
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: you definitely feel better about that group.

815
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Speaker 2: And about what the Colts have added, you know, from

816
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Mitchell and Gold on the outside. All right, good stuff

817
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: right there again, JJ Stangoviitz, Casey Valier, a very busy

818
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: weekend and a very busy day, and that will do

819
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: it for us. But we definitely encourage you to take

820
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 2: take about ten minutes and just check out all the

821
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: content on Colts dot com and the Colts Mobile app.

822
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: Check out the written word videos, podcasts, picture galleries of

823
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: all the draft picks, some behind the scenes content too.

824
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna definitely be worth your while and you can

825
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: get up to speed on the Colts in their draft

826
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: hole from this weekend. Casey gets some sleep tonight. I'm

827
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Speaker 2: gonna try.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try, that's for sure. It's been you know,

829
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: we're probably all rolling on about you know, three hours

830
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Speaker 3: a night, so we're gonna try to sleep in.

831
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Speaker 1: A little bit on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, back at it next week though, breaking it all down.

833
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Speaker 2: We'll have more podcasts of course talk about this draft

834
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: class in depth next week. But that'll do it here

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Speaker 2: as we shut it down. Casey Valiate, JJ Stangobitz, I'm

836
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: Matt Taylor. Thanks for listening to overtime following day number three,

837
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Speaker 2: and we'll be back next week with more content as

838
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Speaker 2: always on the cults on the Colts Audio Network and

839
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: tell then everybody thanks for listening so long, have a

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Speaker 2: great rest of your weekend.