1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Noel. Our colleague Matt Frederick 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: is still on adventures. He sends his regards. He will 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: be returning soon. They call me Ben. We are joined 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Alexis code name Doc 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Holiday Jackson. More importantly, you are you. You are here, 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: It's our listener mail episode, and this one's gonna be 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: a little bit different. If you heard our strange news 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: episode U Matt was able to somehow get back on 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: the grid for a second and send us a story 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: that he wanted us to share. I hope we did 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: right by him. And in this episode, uh, Noel, you 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: and I have each broad a story of our own 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: or a piece of correspondence. But we're also probably at 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: some point, just justin Matt's or we're gonna read out 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: some social posts that we found interesting or amusing or 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: in one case, immensely relieving to be honest with you. Yeah, 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: and those will be coming from our Facebook group Here's 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: where it Gets Crazy. You two can get crazy on 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Facebook with us the stuff they don't want you to know. Guys, 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: all you gotta do is look up Here's where it 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Gets Crazy and answer a couple of basic questions just 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: to let us know that you actually know what the 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: show is. And then you're in UM And there's a 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: world of great content on that page and a lot 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: of great folks and great moderators. By the way, shout 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: out to the mods of Here's where it Gets Crazy. UM. 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think we've really done too many 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: of these UM listener mails from Facebook group, so this 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: will be a good opportunity to mind that for some 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: some golden nuggets. Yes, agreed. You know, we always say 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: that the most important part of this show is you, 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: specifically you and our fellow listeners. Right we're pointing at 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: the screen. So today we wanted to pick up with 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: with just a couple of things that were of interest here. 40 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: We've been getting a lot of feedback about our exploration 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: of faith healing and the science behind the placebo effect, 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: whether it can work for good, whether it can work 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: for ill, how much efficacy does it actually have? How 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: much impact can the placebo of any given type of 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: sugar pill or whatever, how much can it have on 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: the human body. And this inspired our fellow listener Claire 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: to write in Claire, you said, hi, stuff. They don't 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: want you to know, guys, I just listened to your 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: episode on placebo's and was curious as to whether people 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: can suffer side effects from a placebo, for example, nausea 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: if they believe the medication they're taking can cause this. 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: Thanks Claire, This is interesting. This is something we didn't 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: really talked about. We talked a little bit about the 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: you know what's sometimes called the no cebo, and we 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: talked about how the mind is such a powerful part 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: of the body that it is. You know, it is possible, 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: there are proven cases of curses basically working because somebody 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: believed that they have been cursed. But the question about 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: side effects is pretty fascinating because we know the placebos 60 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: have a measurable effect. We know that a placebo is 61 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: not going to be a one to one substitute for 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, actual medicine. But we didn't we didn't talk 63 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: about the idea of a side effects, so like, imagine, 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: just to set the scene, imagine you have, uh, you 65 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: have some kind of condition where you need to get 66 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: a shot from from a doctor and the shot you're 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: given is actually a placebo, but they don't tell you 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: it's a placebo. Instead, they give you the rundown of 69 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: the various possible side effects of this medication, like you 70 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: might have like a large on the side of the 71 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: bottel or not to mention that rundown they do in 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: those really creepy TV ads for for medications where it 73 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: gives you like fifty different things sometimes including like violent 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: diarrhea and death right right right now, that's all happening 75 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: while you see a slow motion thing of a couple 76 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: frolicking in the park for someone just like laughing at salad. 77 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: I've right, I've totally I've ruined. I've ruined so many 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: stock photos for people now because now that you have 79 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: that image of a person by themselves laughing at salad, 80 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: you're going to see it everywhere. It's like a trope. 81 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: But salad is objectively hilarious, Ben, I mean, the fact 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: that it's still even a thing. It blow is my mind. 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding. Salad is great, but there's just something 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: that funny looking about it, Like I can see how 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I could tickle somebody in a weird pharmaceutical ad, you know, 86 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: especially if they're being directed to laugh at salad, especially 87 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: if they're on whatever crazy medication there on. I mean, 88 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: the honest tagline for salad is salad. It's like cooking, 89 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: it's I'm getting salad. It's uh gosh, it's a different 90 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. But one note on on the point you're 91 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: bringing up here. For pharmaceutical ads, a lot of people 92 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: in the US don't know those are illegal in most 93 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: other countries. It is illegal to have those kind of 94 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: vague pharmaceutical ads with something that doesn't have a real name. 95 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: But it sounds like it like it sounds smooth, it 96 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: sounds like it's a helpful thing, like good beautred right, 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: or there's there's well, well Beautred, I love, I love good. 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: And then there's like things like so Alexa. It just 99 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: makes it. It makes me feel like I'm part of 100 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: a select group when I'm on Selexa, like I'm in 101 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: the in crowd, or or Lunesta makes me think like 102 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a relaxing voyage to the moon. 103 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: You know pharmaceutically at least or or Lyrica, which might 104 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: as well be the name of a superhero with some 105 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of song power in the m c U. But 106 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: but yes, so I'm getting us a little off topic here, Claire. 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: But your question is wonderful because we have a clear, consistent, 108 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: like definitive answer. Yes, placebos can cause side effects. Part 109 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: of that maybe due entirely to the power of suggestion. 110 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Like we said, the doctor gives you a shot, you 111 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: believe it to be medicine, and the doctor describes the 112 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: side effects of an actual medicine to you, then your 113 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: mind can play tricks on you or your your body 114 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: can exhibit some of those side effects. It's what's happening 115 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: is similar to hypnosis. It's it's not we're not saying 116 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: that these doctors or medical professionals are in any way 117 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: purposely messing with you. But because of the connection between 118 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: the brain and the body, if you truly believe you're 119 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: receiving a treatment, then your body will react accordingly. So 120 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: if you take some kind of placebo medication and you 121 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: are warned that it will give you um usually things 122 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: like headaches, chills, nausea, maybe vertigo, depression, sleep disorders, even IBS, 123 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: stuff like that. A placebo can do those things to you. 124 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: It's it's proven this also. Yes, for the sith lords 125 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: in the audience today, First, as always, thanks for coming, uh, 126 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 1: But for the sith lords of the audience today, Yes, 127 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: this does mean that if you are a very unethical person, 128 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: there is a way to mind prank your friends. You know, 129 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: mind freak is that was the Chris Angel thing, Yeah, 130 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: that's the guy. Yeah, there's a way to mind freak 131 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: your friends into exhibiting these symptoms by making them think 132 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: you gave them an actual medicine. Do not do it, 133 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: That's just that's not what friends do. But I was 134 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: surprised by this. It made me go back and think 135 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: about any moments that I, or maybe you have experienced 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: something like a placebo effect. I mean, NOL, have you 137 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: ever knowingly had a placebo? Well? No, And it's actually 138 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm being quiet because I'm actually reading through 139 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: this report on medical News today UM about a study 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: that came out in October of last year. UM. And 141 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: it's this study that showed that UM medical research papers 142 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: often do a poor job of describing the effects of 143 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: placebos in these studies, and oftentimes placebos themselves have side effects. UM. 144 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: So essentially if they're under reporting or like they say, okay, 145 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: so the whole deal of the clinical study like this 146 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: is if the placebo outperforms the drug being tested, then 147 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: the drug is not effective or that that that's very 148 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: cut and dry way of looking at it. But apparently 149 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: according to the study, UM, some of the things they 150 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: do to placebos include adding chemicals to make it taste 151 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: more like or even feel like the active ingredient in 152 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: the drug. So I think a lot of times people 153 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: think of placebo is just like a sugar pill or 154 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: like a saline solution of some kind. But in fact 155 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: that some of these studies they actually do have medicinal properties. 156 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: So that's a little bit off the topic, but it's interesting, 157 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: and it came up when I was looking for placebo 158 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: side effects. That was that was an article that came up, 159 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: And you can read that for yourself, um in a 160 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: article written by Tim Newman on October one, between nineteen 161 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: for Medical News Today. But I don't know that I have, 162 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: I've been I've certainly never participated in a clinical trial 163 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: or a drug study of any kind. UM. But you know. 164 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Backing up to the listeners original question, UM, can you 165 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: feel side effects based on placebos? The answer is based 166 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: on this report that I'm seeing, A yes, you can, 167 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: because sometimes the placebos themselves have side effects that are 168 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: similar to the side effects of the actual active drug, 169 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: and that's done by design. But when we're talking about 170 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: the power of the mind, if you think that a 171 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: drug is going to produce nausea or headaches, uh, you're 172 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: more likely to manifest those things if you believe that 173 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: those negative things could come from taking that drug. In 174 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: the same way, the the no sebo effect kind of 175 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: describes the ability to manifest negative results from suggestion. UM. 176 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: I highly recommend a a British murder mystery procedure called 177 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Wire in the Blood Um that is just really great 178 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: and grizzly and a really fantastic series in general. But 179 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: there's an episode called no Cebo that specifically revolves around 180 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: voodoo rituals and blood sacrifices, and I don't want to 181 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: spoil it, but it's the name is gives a lot away. 182 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: It's this idea that oftentimes belief enters into whether those 183 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: things manifest or not, and that ends up being exactly 184 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: what happens in the episode, but it ends up going 185 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: a little deeper than that, more into what we're talking 186 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: about here exactly. So check out no Cebo from Wire 187 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: in the Blood. If you've got BBC or UM maybe 188 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: it's on YouTube or something. It's somewhere on the internet. 189 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: This also gives gives you an opportunity to introduce a 190 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: word of the day, psycho neuro immunology, a word no 191 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: spaces uh. Studying the direct effect of brain activity on 192 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: the immune system specifically and without having a full grasp 193 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: of the science involved. UH, we see some fascinating implications 194 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: on on the placebo offect here the and also to 195 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: your point about the lack of accurate measurements of the 196 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: placebo effect in in many clinical trials and other studies. 197 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: This is something that the Academy capital A is aware of, 198 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: but we're not sure exactly how to combat it. We 199 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: know that we don't have a full understanding of the 200 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: side effects of placebo's, whether by design or whether through 201 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: action of the individual patient's mind. Uh. And we know 202 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: that it's hard to fully understand that problem if we 203 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: don't fully understand how this stuff is being measured in 204 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: the first place, and that's where we run into ethics. 205 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: How how much can you mess with someone's mind, a 206 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: human beings mind? Uh? And how many delatorious or unpleasant 207 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: physiological things can you make them due to themselves before 208 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: you violate laws of ethics. It's it's a weird question. Well, sure, 209 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: it's like, does the whole uh physicians mantra of do 210 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: no harm also applied to you know, researchers and clinical 211 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: trial operators. I mean, they're technically they're scientists, but there 212 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: are they physicians. I don't know, this is maybe I'm 213 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: asking a dumb question, but you know, certainly, when you 214 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: enter into a trial of some kind, especially if it's 215 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: something experimental, you are signing some kind of waiver that indemnifies, 216 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, the those that are doing the experimentation on 217 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: you from any you know, um responsibility for what happens 218 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: to you. I guess, I mean, I know that's not 219 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: in time. I'll probably oversimplified that a little bit, but yeah, 220 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, if you're monkeying with people's perceptions, 221 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: and especially if it comes to things like clinical trials 222 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: for cancer, or maybe you enter into as a some 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: who is suffering from a disease into a clinical study 224 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: to try to try out some kind of experimental cancer treatment. 225 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: That's the thing we hear about. I got my mother 226 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: into a study. Oh, I got my sick aunt into 227 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: a study. Um, and then what if they get the placebo? 228 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, like, how does that? That just seems very 229 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: uh cruel and agreed. Agreed, And there's there's one last 230 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: point before we move on to our next piece of mail. Uh. 231 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: This may interest you, Claire, as well as all of 232 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: our other fellow listeners who have been exploring the placebo effect. 233 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: The placebo, like a placebo treatment, doesn't just have the 234 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: capability to create side effects. This strange phenomenon extends a 235 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: bit further. People can experience withdrawal from placebo's. We have 236 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: to remember addiction can be um just as much a 237 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: mental condition as a medical condition. Uh So while it 238 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: may seem strange, that's something with no active ingredient could 239 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: cause side effects, we have to remember it can also 240 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: cause withdrawal. You can, uh, you can be taking a 241 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: pill that does nothing for years and years and years, 242 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: and then you will feel horrific and horrid after you 243 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: are no longer prescribed that place ebo. So there's power there. Yeah. 244 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: It makes me think of that recent Softi Brothers movie 245 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: with Adam Sandler, which is fantastic but also like literally 246 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: you're signing yourself up for a cinematic panic attack if 247 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: you watch this movie. But I have personally seen it 248 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: about three times. I know actually three times. Not about um, 249 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: but there's a character based on a real basketball player 250 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: and played by the basketball player himself, Kevin Garnett, who 251 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: gets obsessed with this uncut gem, this opal and he 252 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: borrows it from um from Adam Sandler's character, who runs 253 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: this uh this gem shop in the in the Diamond 254 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: District in New York City, and he believed eaves that 255 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: it will imbue him with powers to make him play better, 256 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: and he does play better, so it becomes this self 257 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy. And then when he doesn't have the gem, 258 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: he plays poorly because he's like addicted to this sense 259 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: of of whatever this thing does for him. And it's 260 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: the same with gamblers, you know, wh when then that's 261 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: a big part of the movie too, where they have 262 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: to have a certain you know, lucky coin or like 263 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: whatever pair of socks or something, or you know, they 264 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: make a bet in a certain way, or bet the 265 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: same numbers or whatever. Like all of these things. You 266 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: call them superstitions, but there's power in these things that 267 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: you give them meaning and then they become meaningful to 268 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: your your brain right, and this this leads us to 269 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: so many other paths. It's something that we we should 270 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: do an episode on fully in the future. It reminds 271 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: me of uh kurt day Cha, which I may be 272 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: mispronouncing k u r d a I t c h A. 273 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: It's a name for a kind of shaman in an 274 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: aboriginal group in Australia. And from this practice we have 275 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: examples of what could arguably be called the fatal placebo effect. 276 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: So check it out if you're interested. But you can 277 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: also sit tight because we will do an episode on 278 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: that in the future, hopefully soon, because I've got to 279 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: justify how many weird things I've been reading about this, 280 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: So thank you very much, Claire and everybody wrote in 281 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: on that regard. And now we're gonna pause for a 282 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and we'll be back. And we 283 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: have returned. So uh no, this is one that really 284 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: stood out to you, and I think it's I think 285 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: it's an excellent question. You and I talked a little 286 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: bit about this off airm earlier. I don't remember how 287 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: much earlier it could have been, like could have been yesterday, 288 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: could have been the d uncleared dude. Time is uh 289 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: has lost its luster and and pretty much all of 290 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: its meaning in our lives these days. Yeah, no, we 291 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: we were. We were talking about, um, the Screaming Girls 292 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: of Malaysia episode, which I think was one that stuck 293 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: with all of us a bit because it combines a 294 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: lot of the element It actually combines the the the 295 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: idea of a placebo effect even could be wrapped up 296 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: in that topic, where there's this power of belief and 297 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: seeing somebody else experience something and feeling that is as 298 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: though you may be experiencing yourself. Um, these these young 299 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: women in the public schools in Malaysia, h it's happened 300 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: several times, have been stricken with these fits of of 301 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: screaming and seeing apparitions and almost like a sense of possession. 302 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: And then we dug a little deeper and realized that 303 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: these parts of what is it called been peninsular Malaysia, 304 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: they're a little more rural, Uh, they are, it's the 305 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: most religious parts of the country. A country that's already 306 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: pretty religious. Um, and so there's a sense of that 307 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: power of belief just being particularly strong in this part 308 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: of the country. UM. But we did kind of bring 309 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: up briefly how they had some similarities to the Salem 310 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: Witch Trials, where individuals were essentially accused of witchcraft, uh, 311 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: put on trial and killed as a result of some 312 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: young women, um acting as though they had been possessed 313 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: and speaking very specifically about seeing certain things and and 314 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: their themes in that story where you can see it 315 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: dramatically in the crucible the play. Um, but a lot 316 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: of it ended up being like, oh, these girls were 317 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: colluding in some way, or they sort of saw each 318 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: other behaving in certain ways and started kind of like 319 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: copycatting a little bit. And UM that that was one 320 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: of our theories maybe about what was going on with 321 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: the screaming girls in Malaysia. But in historically speaking, um, 322 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: something that comes up or surrounding the Salem witch Trials 323 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: is the notion of environmental contamination. Okay, we're gonna get 324 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: a little deeper that, but first I'm gonna read this 325 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: email from Tunisha. Hello, I just finished listening to the 326 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: Screaming Girls of Malaysia episode, and I'm really surprised that 327 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: possible environmental toxicity wasn't mentioned. Surely outside investigators have tested 328 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: the drinking water, air pollution, and soil, and I would 329 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: love to hear about it. Um. I thought you were 330 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: going to bring it up after you mentioned the witch trials, 331 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: because I know that a common modern theory is that 332 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: people were having hallucinations due to uh this is said 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: to be the drinking water here in the email, um 334 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: any who, thanks for putting out a great show to 335 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: Nisha from right here in Atlanta. Um. And this is 336 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: an interesting thing because it's it's definitely not something that 337 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe. This is a definitive answer ben to 338 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: to to what caused the witch panic, the Satanic panic. Yeah, ergotism, ergotism, 339 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: And that wouldn't have been water. It would have been maybe. 340 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: So it was something in corn, right, isn't it something 341 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: that breaks down and becomes almost a hallucinogenic substance or 342 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: it's I'm sorry, it's like a it's a plague of 343 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: sorts that can affect crops, I thought, But yeah, it's 344 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: a fungus. So there's a nod to it in one 345 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: of the best horror films that came out recently, The 346 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Witch where the where the produce is contaminated, it can 347 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: cause UH, it can cause a condition called ergo toxicosis. 348 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: Really what's happening is people are ingesting the alkaloids produced 349 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: by this fungus, which is called Claviceps purpurea, not the 350 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: not the best name. UH. It affects rye and other cereals, 351 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: and it can cause things like convulsive seizures and spasms, diarrhea, 352 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: and it can cause mania psychosis. UH. You can also 353 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: cause a really a really gross kind of dry gangreing. 354 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: It's been proposed that something like that could partially explain 355 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: the outbreak of mass hysteria in Salem at that time. 356 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: But I would also I would draw attention to to 357 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: the idea of uh, Saint Anthony's Fire this was this 358 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: was probably er goot poisoning. That's that's the theory where 359 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: it seems much more likely than the speculation for Salem. 360 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: So Saint Anthony's Fire is called that today because it 361 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: was named after monks at the Order of Saint Anthony. 362 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: They were considered to be very successful at treating UH, 363 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: this kind of gangrenous poison. Which would cause um, it 364 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: would just cause pandemonium. I mean, imagine you're already tripping 365 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: balls basically, and then you see other people who are afflicted, 366 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: but their physical bodies are changing, like they're seizing up arms, 367 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: they're swelling or freezing right. And and in the and 368 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: the young girls that I mentioned, Betty Paris and Abigail 369 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: Williams were the sort of patient zero I guess of 370 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: of the Salem which explosion. This this kind of like 371 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: massive spate of witchcraft accusations UM. And they were exhibiting 372 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: symptoms very similar to that. They had convulsions and um, 373 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: you know, essentially reporting having visions of sorts. And and 374 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: you're not kidding, Ben when you say this stuff makes 375 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: you trip balls. It actually it's it's fascinating the way 376 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: this stuff works. UM. It can infect rye the grain 377 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: that you grow, you can make bread out of UM. 378 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: And it's the way it works is this fungus, this 379 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: ergot fungus can grow and actually replace these shoots of 380 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: grain UM from these rise. For lack of a better 381 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: way of I am clearly not farmer. There you go, 382 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: UM with something called uh skurlsa. And uh scurlsa is 383 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: a persistent according to the Briton Britannica, persistent vegetative resting 384 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: spore of a certain fungi. So it's essentially it's a 385 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: dark in color. It can vary in size UM and 386 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: sometimes it can get up to four inches in length UM. 387 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: So that that's definitely this the science behind this infestation 388 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: and um there's another great article in in Britannica that 389 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: that talks about the whole uh potential for this ergot 390 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: poisoning in the Salem witch trials. It forms typically after 391 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: a severe winter and a particularly damp spring. And this 392 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: whole theory was put forth in nineteen seventy six by 393 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Dr Linda caparele Um of the ren Slayer Polytechnic Institute 394 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: UM and found quite a bit of evidence that this 395 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: could very well have been what happened, That this was 396 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: a case of contaminated rye that would have been you know, 397 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: made into all kinds of food stuffs, including bread. Yeah, 398 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: there there are some issues. Uh, you're you're right. Nineteen 399 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: seventy six, that's the first serious proposal we have about 400 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: this theory. In another historian, Mary Matosian, talks about this 401 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: as well in an article in American scientists. There are 402 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: a couple issues before we get to Malaysia. We promise 403 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: you we're on the way to Malaysia here before we 404 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: get there. Um, one of the issues with the Salem 405 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: which trial for as far as this explanation goes, is 406 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: that er got poisoning has additional symptoms that were not 407 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: recorded in Salem. Right in some of this stuff, we 408 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: know that it can cause mental breaks, and it can 409 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: have these cognitive effects, but more people would have been 410 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: affected by ergot poison From what we understand it, it 411 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: would be likely at least that more people in the 412 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: town would be affected and that they would exhibit some 413 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: more of those physiological symptoms of urgot poisoning. That's not 414 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: to say this didn't happen, It's just to say that, um, 415 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: there would be additional symptoms, and that the number of 416 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: children who were afflicted, because we have to remember a 417 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: lot of the like Salem, we're talking about children, Uh, 418 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: there were fewer of them that would have been affected 419 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 1: in any other ergot poisoning epidemic that we know of. 420 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: And this, uh, this does put us in a great 421 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: spot to ask about Malaysia too, because this is something 422 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: I was wondering we're prepping this episode, you know, different 423 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: ways to explain this. We spend a lot of time 424 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: in the episode for anyone who hasn't heard it yet, 425 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: exploring the socio cultural lens through which people experience these things. 426 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: And then we don't spend your right, we don't spend 427 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: very much time talking about possible environmental contamination and what 428 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: it could be. So it's not rye bread, that's for sure, 429 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: but it could be it could be ur goot transported 430 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: through some other sort of vehicles, some other sort of carrier. 431 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: But reading reading about pollution in Malaysia exactly, we find 432 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: that it does have a very high level of air pollution, 433 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: so unfortunately not uncommon these days. But uh, but that 434 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: would that would appear to have impact on things like 435 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: the lungs and the heart more so than mental function. 436 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: That's right, I will say, though I did find this 437 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: is a little over my head, but I found a 438 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: report on contaminants and the soil environment in Malaysia from 439 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: y Am kind Of and s. Salma jah Uh from 440 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: a larger paper called Contaminants in the Soil Environment in 441 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: the austral Asia Pacific Region UM and there there is 442 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: an abstract. We're talking about how Malaysia is, you know, 443 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: undergoing a lot of very quick development and rapid industrialization UM, 444 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: and agriculture is a big part of that UM. And 445 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of very fast growth in 446 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the agriculture sector UM. And along with that comes increases 447 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: in urban populations and creations of new urban areas UM. 448 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: And along with that, you know, sometimes industry outpaces UM. 449 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: What's the word been oversight or regulation, right. And so 450 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: there is a list of contaminants in the soil of Malaysia, 451 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: and there's a particularly interesting column that talks about Peninsula Malaysia, 452 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: and it does appear that it does contain UH some 453 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: pretty high levels of some uh some contaminants UM. It's 454 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: divided into several regions Pennsua Malaysia, Saba, and Sarawak. And 455 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: I did notice that UH in some of these categories, 456 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: the number for Peninsula Malaysia was a good bit higher 457 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: even than some of the other uh the other regions. UM. 458 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Some of the specific contaminants that are listed I am 459 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: not familiar with, and they're certainly not household names, so 460 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: I definitely want to do some more digging into that 461 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: UM but it does have to do with things that 462 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: are specifically found in the soil, and then it could 463 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: be considered contaminants. So um, and then I found an 464 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: article in looking into this about how contaminants well maybe 465 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: don't make you trip or you know, have some kind 466 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: of like psychotic episode, just basic environmental contaminants can have 467 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: an effect on your mental health and just your well 468 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: landing like lead absolutely bad. Yeah, I want to see 469 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: also in support of the point you're making, Uh, we 470 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: looked into drinking water in Kellenton as well, because it 471 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: seemed like that would be um, a good place to start, 472 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: like that would be one of the most ubiquitous common 473 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: vehicles of transporting and contaminant would be the air water 474 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: or as you said, the soil. And uh, we didn't 475 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: find I didn't find evidence of a hallucinogenic agent, but 476 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: we do know to the fantastic point you just raised 477 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: their noal, something doesn't have to immediately make somebody mentally 478 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: unstable for it to have a long term cognitive effect. 479 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: This is where we introduced something that may be familiar 480 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: to our fellow listeners. As a matter of fact, some 481 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: of us may be listening to this conversation and saying 482 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: I can't believe they're not going to talk about lead 483 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: contamination and crime. This is related, if only tangentially. There 484 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: is a long running proposed link between elevated blood levels 485 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: in children as they're developing and increased rates of crime 486 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: later in life. We know the facts about lead. It's toxic, 487 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: it's dangerous to multiple organs uh in the brain especially, 488 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and individuals who are exposed to lead at young ages 489 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: do seem to be more vulnerable to learning disabilities, decreased 490 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: i q A, d h D, lifelong problems with impulse control. Uh. 491 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: So now they're they're experts who are proposing that lead 492 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: contamination may have a possible long term effect on various communities. 493 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: There's still you can see how that research gets complicated 494 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: and very sticky, very quickly. You'll see other studies contradicting it. 495 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: But one of the reasons I think the question about 496 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: environmental contamination in this case of the screaming girls in 497 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: Malaysia is such a good question is exactly that we 498 00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: do not understand the long term effects of these um 499 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: We don't understand long term effects of these contaminants. We 500 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: could say with reasonable certitude that it's probably not er 501 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: got poisoning specifically because of the way people were affected 502 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: and the length of time they were affected or when 503 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: they recovered, etcetera. But we we simply cannot rule out 504 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: some possibility of an environmental contaminant. That's where I'm at 505 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: at least, what do you mean? I'm I'm with you, Ben, 506 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: and I want to just double back really quickly. The 507 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: study that I mentioned at the top of the show, Um, 508 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: it was very in depth and dealt with a lot 509 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: of different types of you know, acidity and different soils 510 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: and stuff. So I don't want to couch that as 511 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: as evidence that necessarily that Peninsulasia has higher rates of 512 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: contamination than the rest of the country. But I will 513 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: say I did find an article that does say that 514 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: Malaysia has significant water pollution problems, UM, and that does 515 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: stem from that rapid industrialization and that I talked about 516 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that that study reference. I think that holds true. UM. 517 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: But it points out that Malaysia doesn't actually release individual 518 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: values of river water quality measurements for monitoring sites. It 519 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: just releases it kind of on a spectrum and three 520 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: rankings clean, slightly polluted, and polluted, but won't really give 521 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: you a breakdown of what materials are in the drinking water. 522 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: So I think it's something that we probably owe it 523 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: to ourselves and the listeners too. Maybe revisit another time, um, 524 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: but I do think that you're right then this is 525 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: not something we can absolutely rule out. Agreed on all 526 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: counts here, and thank you for raising this important point, Tunisia. Also, 527 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: I believe that you are you are a fellow Georgian, 528 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: so it's it's great to hear from the hometown crew 529 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: here as well. Um, this is something that we are 530 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: gonna have to spend some time exploring. So I don't 531 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: know what anybody else was planning for this weekend, but 532 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: don't invite me to your parties because I am going 533 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: to be reading a lot about environmental contamination in different 534 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: parts of the world, and let's see, let's see if 535 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: we can find something there. In the meantime, we're gonna 536 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll 537 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: return with our I guess our very first Matt Frederick 538 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: Tribute M segment. Okay, and we're back with the first 539 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: ever semi annual. Hopefully I don't want to be gone 540 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: too much. We miss you, Matt. Matt Frederick Appreciation Corner, 541 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: where in we also make this a listener and UM 542 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: Facebook group member appreciation corner because we're gonna pull a 543 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: couple of comments from our Here's Where Gets Crazy, uh 544 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: Facebook group, which you two can be a part of. 545 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Just go to Facebook dot com and and and search 546 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: for Here's Where It's Crazy and you can be part 547 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: of the fund too and maybe end up on one 548 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: of these. But you know what, I think it's not 549 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: fair to only do this one mask on. We should 550 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: probably figure out a way to incorporate this in a 551 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: little more regularly. And I've got to go. I've got 552 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: one I think that's been on a lot of people's feeds. Um, 553 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: what's up with this UFO and Jersey year about this? 554 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: Uh this Jersey UFOs on with I mean, you know it. 555 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: Look it's it's I don't want to like let the 556 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: wind out of the sales too quickly. But there were 557 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: a ton of reports UM, originally on TikTok Monday of 558 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: the week that we're recording this. But yeah, there were 559 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: a lot of reports flying around the internet UM this week, 560 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: starting with TikTok user handle at baby Jenny, who posted 561 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: a video of a pretty cool uh legit looking UFO 562 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: hovering over New Jersey's Route twenty one. There are other 563 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: people looking at it from the side of the road 564 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: with their phones up, you know. Uh and um just 565 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: kind of slack jawed and like I said, the way 566 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: the the video pans very quickly. It's kind of a 567 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: whip pan situation. You just kind of catch a glimpse 568 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: of it, but really does look like a broad daylight, uh, 569 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: little saucer situation, just kind of hovering in in in 570 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: in space, um, up there in the Jersey sky. Um. 571 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: And the video got four million views, more than a 572 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: than six hundred thousand likes uh in just a day. Um. 573 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: And then uh, the truth came out, as it tends 574 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: to do. Um. You know, it's always on the table 575 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: that a that a thing like that hovering slowly could 576 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: be a blimp. But we heard the truth from none 577 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: other than a representative from good Year the blimp people. Yeah, 578 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: like the blimp people. They called into Insider and said, hey, uh, 579 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: we were flying a new blimp in New York that 580 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: day in northern New Jersey on Monday to capture aerial 581 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: footage of the NF fell game between the Pittsburgh Steelers 582 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: and the New York Giants. The MetLife Stadium, which I'm 583 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: assuming was only was populated by a little cardboard cutouts 584 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 1: of people. Have you seen those photographs baseball? There's there's 585 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: one that was in the Bay Area where it was like, 586 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, this insane blade runner sky like just like 587 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, desert kind of Sepia colored with because of 588 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: these wildfires, and then all of these really haunting cardboard 589 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: cutout people sitting in the stands watching the baseball game. 590 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: I'll do, uh do one crazieruck in South Korea, a 591 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: company populated a stadium with sex dolls and then this 592 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: said they were just life life mannequins. Kind of stories 593 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: Strange news daily on that one. What I think happened 594 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: is that they wanted to buy mannequins and they got 595 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: a good deal, and uh, they didn't do enough research 596 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: to think route that these are clearly uh sex toys 597 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: in the stands. But you know, everybody is, everybody's trying 598 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: to make it work. Also, shout out to good Year 599 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: if you're listening. A number of years ago, I got 600 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: very close to get to ride on one of those blimps. 601 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: It's a dream of mine. Uh, it's it's actually kind 602 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: of kind of exclusive. You have to get invited. Did 603 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: you know that, Like can't buy a ticket. I wouldn't 604 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: imagine that you could. But it's it's also not like 605 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: the Oscar Meyer Wiener mobile that just sort of rolls 606 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: around the different places and you can go in and 607 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: check it out. Definitely a little harder to get up 608 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: to that good Year blimp. And yeah, can you imagine 609 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: where you park a blimp? Do you more? A blimp 610 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: isn't do you have to dry docket you sort of 611 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: like tie it up and or do you deflate it 612 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: and then there's an inflated every time you're gonna use it. Um, yeah, 613 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: that's what you do. Okay, Well, there's a there's a 614 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: rope that hangs down at all times, and there's a 615 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: person in the ground who is in charge of that 616 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: that aspect, and so it's like if you're in a 617 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: blimp crew, you know, some days of the week you 618 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: get to fly the blimp. Other days you have to 619 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: be the person holding the rope. It's it's it's like 620 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: it's like an elaborate inflatable kite. It goes up. Yeah, 621 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: but I will say. The thing that is remarkable about 622 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: the video though, and you can literally hear people of 623 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: gas you say, oh my god, having their minds blown. 624 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: It's got this little blinking light on the bottom of 625 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: it that like is very bright, and it's right in 626 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: the middle of it, and it has the appearance of 627 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: the thing at the bottom of the classic sci fi 628 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: ufo that beams people up, you know, that shoots up 629 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: that wide swath of of blue light and then you 630 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: get you get caught up in the tractor beam and 631 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: pulled up to presumably have things done to your butt um. 632 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: So I think that might have been what did it, 633 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: because it also looks very symmetrical, and I typically think 634 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: of a blimp as being tapered, you know, like fat 635 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: on one end on the front end and a little 636 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: tapered on the back. But it really does look like 637 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: a flying saucer. And so I could see how it 638 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: would have freaked some people out. And and even when 639 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Goodyear chimed in that that people weren't having it. They 640 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: thought that was fake news and continued proliferating this stuff 641 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: on on on Twitter and Facebook. And I think finally 642 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: now people are coming to terms with the fact that 643 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: this was in fact a blimp uh and not and 644 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: not a UFO. But given all the research and the 645 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: revelations about state level monitoring new UFOs, we know that 646 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 1: something freaky is happening in the skies that I'm also 647 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm referring to the US program, but I'm also referring 648 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: to Japan, which it turns out may have been investigating 649 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: UFOs for some time as well. Uh, Matt, if you 650 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: are listening to this, we went through these things, uh, 651 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: and I was looking for some stuff that would be 652 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: interesting to you, but also looking for some stuff that 653 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: might give you a chuckle. So here's one that I 654 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: thought would be interesting. This is the kind of thing 655 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: that from Matt's perspective, I would I would imagine Matt 656 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: being very uh very into exploring. And that is that 657 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: the FBI has warned doorbell cameras like ring can give 658 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: an early warning of police searches. You saw this too, right, No, no, no, 659 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: not tell me more about it, but I look up 660 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: and follow along. But this is news to me. Yeah. 661 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: So this came through a leaked FBI bulletin, and we 662 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: found out about this courtesy of Joe b On. Here's 663 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Essentially, the FBI didn't mean this 664 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: to be public knowledge, but they said, ironically, the rise 665 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: of the surveillance state is letting residents of a home 666 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: that has uh, you know, a ring camera or something 667 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: like that. It's letting them get a heads up if 668 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement is showing to conduct a search, which is 669 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: kind of ironic given that the concern of a mass 670 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: surveillance state is always being vulnerable to some kind of search, 671 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: right or some lack of privacy. This reminds me of ways. 672 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: I used to love the GPS app Ways, and it 673 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: did it did something that really irritated law enforcement when 674 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: it would let you know if there was a speed 675 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: trap ahead and you could warn other people. Well. Sure, 676 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: there's even a little icon on ways specifically for like 677 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: a cop card. It's it's a little animated police car 678 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 1: that shows up on your map. Uh. And then you 679 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: get the prompt um, which isn't entirely the safest thing 680 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: in the world, whether to confirm or deny that that's 681 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: still there. So it's sort of crowdsourced information about where 682 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: these law enforcement officials are posted up. I don't know, Ben, 683 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: don't don't you think it's sort of our prerogative to 684 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: get an early warning if law enforcement under our door, 685 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: especially considering things like what happened to Brianna Taylor and 686 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: and and all these unlawful no non warrants and you know, 687 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: problems with the way warrants are served and people getting killed. 688 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know. This seems like a 689 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: non issue to me. I I don't. I feel like 690 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: I want to know uh and be prepared, right, I mean, 691 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: consider the consider the murder of Katherine Johnston was ninety 692 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: two years old when when she was killed by police 693 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: in her home here in Atlanta, Georgia. The real issue 694 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: here is private service versus UH public entity. Right, because 695 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: Amazon is already blurring the lines with this UH. We 696 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: know that they have aggressively marketed themselves to local police departments. 697 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: And on March sevent the CEO of ring Won, Jamie Simonov, 698 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: sent out an email with the subject line going to 699 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: war UH and they said their new mission is to 700 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: use consumer electronics to fight crime and closer and closer 701 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: PSI patient with public law enforcement. So the line is 702 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: being blurred. Technology is disrupting the line between private and 703 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 1: public entities. And I think that's that's the heart of 704 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: the concern. If I buy, if I was the kind 705 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: of person to own a ring or something like that, 706 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: and it somehow didn't tell me when certain people were 707 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: at the door, then in my opinion, it's a broken service. 708 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: I shouldn't use it. I should get a refund. Uh. 709 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: So there that's one thing I thought would interest you, Matt. 710 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 1: It is interesting. I wanted to point out one thing 711 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: from my my experience. I used to live in a place, 712 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: um two places before where I currently live. Um that 713 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: when I checked it out, Uh, somebody pointed out to 714 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: me that it probably used to be a drug house 715 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: or perhaps a manufacturing house, because there was a pretty 716 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: conspicuous camera amount on the top of the of the 717 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: like of the roof kind of that was like and 718 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe that was jumping to conclusions, 719 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: but I understand that's almost like it does have sort 720 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: of a reputation of like, oh, if you have a 721 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: camera like that, you're trying to protect yourself from the cops, 722 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: or you're trying to get an early warning signal or 723 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: something like that, which is interesting to me given the 724 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: age of the Internet of Things and us wanting to 725 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: have literally a camera in our fridge, Like I I 726 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: feel like that's sort of an outdated opinion, but but 727 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: it is something that somebody pointed out to me, is like, oh, 728 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: see that camera. This place obviously used to be a drugout. 729 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's like, if you have a beeper, 730 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: you're either a doctor or a drug dealer. Right, No, still, 731 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: I still, I think still, But but uh, I wanted 732 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: to find on a lighter note, something that I thought 733 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: would give everyone a chuckle. That's a shout out to 734 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: Owen D who posted the following statement, Nothing is felt 735 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: the same since I learned that goats have accents and 736 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: can't understand other goats from foreign countries because their accents 737 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: are different. I gotta tell you I I have. I've 738 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: lost track of all the times I was in a 739 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: place where people didn't speak English as the primary language 740 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: and I tried to like pet a dog or say 741 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: hello to some other animal, and it looked at me 742 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: like I was an idiot, because I was because I 743 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: don't speak you know, key chay or something. Sure. Yeah, 744 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated by the idea of animals having 745 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: different flavors, of of noisemaking sounds in different countries, but 746 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: typically I think it's usually relegated to just like the 747 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,439 Speaker 1: Automotopia version of it that you read in fiction, or 748 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: like like it was it like a like a chicken 749 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: in Germany, I think says kikery key you know here 750 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: and says cocka doodle do. It's all just it's all 751 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: just how it hits your ear, you know. I don't 752 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,359 Speaker 1: think the actual animals have different accents, but who am 753 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 1: I to say? I don't know. I think they do. 754 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: I choose to believe that they do based on very 755 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: little proof. Uh So see I went to I went 756 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: twice and wrote no you got one to uh round 757 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: out the day for us. Just a quick one from 758 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: from Bob p on the on the Facebook group, he 759 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: posted a delightful name, says news reporter, can you tell 760 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: America why the Amish haven't been affected by coronavirus? And 761 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: that's the image of a woman interviewing an Amish gentleman 762 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: with his back from the camera, and then the Amish 763 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: gentleman says, because we don't have television, there's a lot 764 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: wrapped up in that. I just it's just that I 765 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: don't know, it's there's a lot there's a lot to 766 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: unpack there, which I just love. It's just yeah, okay, 767 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: Well on that note, uh, thank you. Thank you to Owen, 768 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: thank you to Joe, thank you to Tunisha, thank you 769 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: to Claire. 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