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Speaker 1: All of us want to live the hero's journey, but

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Speaker 1: how do you do that? The hero's journey is really

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Speaker 1: derived from the story of David and Goliath. Director John

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Speaker 1: Irwin has created an epic Amazon series, The House of David.

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Speaker 1: He'll tell us how he discovered the hero's journey in

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Speaker 1: his own life and how you can too on this

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Speaker 1: Arroyo Grande. Come on, I'm rating an arroyo. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the culture counter.

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Speaker 1: If you've spent any time on Instagram or TikTok, you've

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Speaker 1: probably seen these sorority rush videos. The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: reports that these videos have become a global domon great

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Speaker 1: The world now thinks our college girls spend their days

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Speaker 1: wearing mini skirts, bumping and grinding on the front lawn

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Speaker 1: of their sorority houses to move over.

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Speaker 2: Susan B.

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Speaker 1: Anthony, Can I ask a question, Are you auditioning to

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Speaker 1: work at Hooters or a gentleman's club?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Exactly are you doing these raunchy dances on the front lawn.

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Speaker 1: Rush week used to be a time when girls visited

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Speaker 1: various sororities for interviews. They had time to bond with others,

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Speaker 1: people who might become lifelong friends. They had brunches and teas,

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Speaker 1: wore nice gowns and yeah looks and polish were always

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Speaker 1: mimicking Cardi b and recording it. Why have these women

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Speaker 1: focused on accomplishment decided that twerking and push up bras

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Speaker 1: are the path to success. You don't need a diploma

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Speaker 1: to do that kind of work. And why would a

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Speaker 1: that prize is getting down more than growing up?

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Speaker 2: Now. Look, I'm all for pretty girls dancing around on the.

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Speaker 1: Lawn, have at it, But I'm also a dad and

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Speaker 1: if that were my daughter, and if this what she

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Speaker 1: has to do to get into a Greek house, she

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Speaker 1: can find a different papeyon. In twenty twenty two, Kylon

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Speaker 1: Darnell became the breakout star of the Bama Rush. She

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Speaker 1: It went super viral millions of followers. This year, she

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Speaker 1: decided to take some time off of social media to

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Speaker 1: captured the drama of the bid day and the money

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Speaker 1: These sororities, We're talking tens of thousands of dollars. Some

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Speaker 1: even bring in their own consultants. Well, now, Kylin's sister,

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Speaker 1: Izzy Darnell, who is a sophomore at Alabama, after initially

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Speaker 1: saying she was rushing, has decided she isn't no, I

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Speaker 2: And genuinely, a sorority has a lot of rules about

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Speaker 1: It's like we have to shake close relationship.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I don't want to vanish,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't want to have

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that is not for me, and it does

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Speaker 1: I Isy Darnell maybe the smartest sorority girl of them all.

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Speaker 1: She looks the part but she's decided not to conform

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that show more character and demonstrate a greater commitment

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Speaker 2: It's nice to see that even some.

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Speaker 1: Of those who popularize this whole rushing craze are now

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Speaker 1: playing fred Astare. I'm very happy you're so flexible, sir,

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Speaker 1: to our deep dive. John Irwin is the director and

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Speaker 3: And he said when he bought me that camera, he said,

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Speaker 3: love about film history overall is it's like layer upon

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Speaker 3: layer upon layer of filmmaker reacting to another filmmaker's work,

442
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: or given an opportunity because of the success of another filmmaker.

443
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Speaker 3: And I just I love his movies, and I love

444
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: it the most when he partners with Randa Wallace, which

445
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: is another wonderful friend, wonderful writer and director.

446
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Speaker 2: And I.

447
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: Am in their wake and in their shadow and grateful

448
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: to be doing any of this and would not be

449
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: here without the success.

450
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Speaker 1: Why did it take Hollywood all this time? That was

451
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago the past? Yeah, he opened up this

452
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: enormous audience. I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars that

453
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Speaker 1: movie made. Why hasn't Holly Why did Holly Wood not

454
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Speaker 1: jump on the bandwagon and just say, look at this audience.

455
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Speaker 2: It's taken all this time and all the Wonder Project.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the goal and dream of the Wonder

457
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Speaker 3: Project is an independent studio that could endure the test

458
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Speaker 3: of time to solve that problem. I think the core

459
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: problem is we call it the gap, and it's a

460
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Speaker 3: gap between the craft and of filmmaking and the authenticity

461
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: of the audience the content. So you typically, except for

462
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 3: Mel Gibson, and I think he made the passion, then

463
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: he wanted to go and do other things. You know,

464
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 3: thank god he didn't want to do David because I

465
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: wouldn't be here. But you know, I think that that

466
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: that other than Mel, you get this thing of you

467
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: either get things that are authentic to the audience but

468
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: poorly made, or you get things that are very well

469
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: made but inauthentic and in some ways of betrayal to

470
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Speaker 3: the audience exact. And so there's been this gap that

471
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Speaker 3: we've been trying to close where you, on the one hand,

472
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Speaker 3: can make the content excellent but also authentic. And that

473
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Speaker 3: has been a problem really that there just has not

474
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Speaker 3: been enough Christians inside the industry that are that are

475
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: trying to discipline themselves and master the craft film as

476
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Speaker 3: much as they can.

477
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Speaker 2: And that's a lifelong quest. That's something that art achieve.

478
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: Art is built over time.

479
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: But I would say that, you know, for me, David

480
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: is sort of like the Mount Everest of storytelling, and

481
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: it took all the films that I've made to try

482
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 3: to work up to a level of craftsmanship that I

483
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: think the story deserved. It's not that it's perfect, but

484
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 3: I think I think that that that I should have

485
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: done this story five years ago or ten years ago.

486
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Speaker 2: It took that much time. I said, exhausted you more

487
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: than your thought.

488
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would say that, but it's a great exhaustion.

489
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Speaker 3: I mean that there's nothing like you know, being exhausted

490
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 3: on the field battle and a worthy cause, you know,

491
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Speaker 3: And so it's a meaningful exhaustion which I find less

492
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: than I would rather be thoroughly exhausted in something that

493
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: I believe in than sort of tired in something mediocre.

494
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Speaker 2: There was a great quote I.

495
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Speaker 1: Came across from you that I just loved it where

496
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Walt Disney. Yeah, and I bet you can

497
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Speaker 1: come up with a quote, but it was I'm not

498
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: trying to entertain the critics.

499
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Speaker 2: I'd rather take take my chances with the people.

500
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Speaker 3: I mean, first, I love that was the king of

501
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: quotes and U and one of the great entertainers in

502
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Speaker 3: the history of entertainment obviously, and one of the great

503
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: inspirations shapers. And he was not only a great creator,

504
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: he was a great entrepreneur. And so much of the

505
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: the inventions of technology that drive our industry came from

506
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Speaker 3: the Walt Disney Company back to like the multiplaye camera

507
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: that I work's made for him. But I love his

508
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: perspective on the audience and and some of the you know,

509
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: he had the way of of of distilling things down

510
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: to a line, and oftentimes I just want to make sure,

511
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: like am I serving.

512
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Speaker 2: And entertaining the right group of people.

513
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Speaker 3: Of course, I love it if there's a good critic

514
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: review or when you know American Underdog was certified fresh,

515
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: and I'm grateful, and but but I you know, I've

516
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: got four A plus cinema scores and that's that's from

517
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: the audience, which I love. And at the end of

518
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: the day, what we say is it is not about us.

519
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: It's about the people in the seats and the experience

520
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: they're having with the content, and that's it, and we

521
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: are there. It is such an incredible thing to me

522
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: to think that people are going to enter a theater

523
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: or gather around a television set and they're going to

524
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: watch something that I made instead of something that James

525
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: Cameron or George Lukisman or whoever.

526
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: And so you try to honor that.

527
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: And at the very first goal is to relentlessly entertain

528
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Speaker 3: the audience.

529
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Speaker 1: In multiple languages across the world, across the whole world.

530
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: And so that's the quest. And so as great as it.

531
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Speaker 3: Is to be celebrated in any other form or to

532
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: any other group by like critics, my my relationship is

533
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: with the audience first and foremost.

534
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Speaker 1: Tell me about Michael Iskander, who is your David is incredible? Now.

535
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: I saw him in Kimberly a Kimbo on Broad Believe

536
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: I had a son in New York. Yeah, and when

537
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: I saw the picture and I said, where do I

538
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: know this kid from that looked? How did you find him?

539
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: What was the here's a better question, what's the quality

540
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: in him that you needed in your David?

541
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Speaker 3: You know, it really comes down to one word, and

542
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: that word is conviction conction.

543
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: But okay, also that, but I needed.

544
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: I needed depth of soul, I needed a gravitas, and

545
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: I needed a conviction in his eyes. And I had

546
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: the privilege of directing Jonathan Roumy, who obviously plased Christ

547
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: for Dallas and the Chosen and just understanding the depth

548
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: of soul and conviction that Jonathan had that really was

549
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: the what I was looking for. But then also you

550
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: think about the practicality of the role. It's like a

551
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: bullseye with and a bulls eye. I had to have

552
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: a musician, I had to have an athlete. I had

553
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: to have somebody that that looked, that was from the

554
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: region that had that favored He's an Egyptian, right, He's

555
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: an Egyptian, And so I felt proud of that. By

556
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: the way, yesterday I got he and Jonathan Rumy together

557
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: for a one on one interview, and I'm like, they

558
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: look they.

559
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: Look like family. I mean fourteen generations, but they look

560
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: like family.

561
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: And so so we looked at thousands of people for

562
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: House of David.

563
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: We looked hundreds of people for the role of David itself.

564
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: And his audition came in and you know those moments

565
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 3: that you just know, you just know, like the ten

566
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 3: seconds into his audition, I'm like, having looked at hundreds

567
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: of people, that's him.

568
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: So I got on I got on a flight a

569
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: red eye that.

570
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: Night, and I said, I want to have breakfast with him,

571
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: and I want you know, we were thinking about thirty

572
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: minutes to talk about the role. We talked about life

573
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: and just cameras and all kinds of for three hours.

574
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

575
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: And I said, I'm not supposed to tell you this

576
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 3: because you never say this because it gives agents leverage.

577
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: This is your role.

578
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: I really do believe that I've got this is also

579
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: an Amazon Global original. I've got a lot of people

580
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: to onboard. So what I need you to do is

581
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: just do the work at every level. Do the work

582
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: and at every level he has outworked and out learned,

583
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: whether it was the accent or whether it was the

584
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: slinging stone or the liar or the music that he

585
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: sings live in the show.

586
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: In Hebrew, which was his idea. You know, I could not.

587
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: I feel like a coach that is so proud of

588
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: an athlete that is becoming a superstar right in front

589
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: of you. So I remember the third day of filming.

590
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: I think he came over and he's like, except for

591
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: kim Kimbo. He's like, uh, that was good, right, was

592
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: that what you wanted? I'm like, yeah, he's like because

593
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: he's like, I know, you know this man, this is

594
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: my first job, and I just want to do a

595
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: good job. So he has this great sensibility about it,

596
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: but also a depth of soul that is far beyond

597
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: his years.

598
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: What do you want people to wrestle with?

599
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I think most filmmakers want audiences to wrestle with something

600
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: in the story they're telling.

601
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such an epic. What do you want

602
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: audiences to wrestle?

603
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I want people to wrestle and with the

604
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: idea that we have a destiny beyond the life we're living. Typically,

605
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: like there is something, there's a whisper that that that

606
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: that is, that is that is scary, that is far

607
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: beyond your comfort zone.

608
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: That that's the great adventure. I like that.

609
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: You know, obviously we're working with Amazon, the show and

610
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos and you can live a life. But I

611
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: agree with this quote. You can live a life of

612
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 3: you can live a life of ease, or you can

613
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: live a life of service or adventure, which you can't

614
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: do both. And and so you know, the idea of

615
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: David stepping beyond his fear is stepping into his destiny

616
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: and all that came with that, which a big theme

617
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: of the.

618
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: Show is the cost of destiny. There is a cost.

619
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Speaker 2: Do you feel you've done that here? But this project, I.

620
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: Feel like, you know, I was talking to John Gunn

621
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: about this. We jumped into television, man, This wasn't like

622
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: we didn't do like network television or Hallmark or we

623
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: just jumped in when it's deep in historical epic.

624
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Why not.

625
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: I do think that there's a great joy into jumping

626
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: into something that is far beyond your comfort zone or

627
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: far beyond what you know how to do. And it's

628
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: like jumping out of an airplane with the components of

629
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: a parachute, you know, and just assembling them on the

630
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: way down.

631
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Speaker 2: I'll figure this out.

632
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you I learned way back working with

633
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: Alex Kendrick on the movie Courageous, Like, there's no greater

634
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: feeling vocationally than when you unify your craft or with

635
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: with a life's calling and a life's purpose and suddenly

636
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: you're doing something that you're trying to get better at,

637
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: but you're doing it for a first purpose beyond yourself.

638
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 3: That's a magical thing, but it's often a scary thing.

639
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: And I think the most meaningful moments in my career

640
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: have been when I've jumped off the ledge of my

641
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: comfort zone.

642
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: Until we endeavor.

643
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, And I think that that is the

644
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: That is the hero's journey. And I think we all

645
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: have a hero's journey to live and uh and I

646
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: think our fear keeps.

647
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Us from living that hero's journey. So I hope that

648
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: people watch the series.

649
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: I hope people watch the series and read the psalms

650
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: because they're so relatable. But then I hope they asked

651
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: the question, Okay, what am I supposed to do?

652
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: Like? What? What?

653
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: What is that inner voice telling me to go. Do

654
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: that might be scary and be on my comfort zone.

655
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but the's are real quick questions because I know

656
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: you got to go and you've done it, and you've

657
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: got many more people.

658
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: A great conversation. Roy I ask everybody these are royal.

659
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: It's my royal grande questions.

660
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the what was the the gym?

661
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: What's the inn? James?

662
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I won't ask you that the person you most admire,

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Speaker 1: who is the person I most admire?

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Speaker 3: You know, I would say that I I admire many

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Speaker 3: many people like I love a great biography, and I

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Speaker 3: love to learn from the stories of others.

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Speaker 2: So of course, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I think right now, in the moment that I'm in,

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Speaker 3: I would say David. Probably six months from now, when

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Speaker 3: I'm directing this movie, I would say George Washington.

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Speaker 2: But Washington, Yeah, But.

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Speaker 3: There's something about about gleaning from other people's stories and

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Speaker 3: uh and and a lot of that is whatever story

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Speaker 3: I'm presently telling, or maybe a book I've read, but

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Speaker 3: but I'm fully immersed in the story of David right now.

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Speaker 2: What is your best feature?

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Speaker 3: My best feature? You know, probably you know I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you this. This is the under celebrated virtue. Okay, curiosity.

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Speaker 3: I think if you can combine curiosity with pain tolerance,

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Speaker 3: there is not much that you can't achieve if you

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Speaker 3: can just be constantly learning. And so I think I

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Speaker 3: live I live my life curious the level of curiosity

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Speaker 3: and learn all the time. And I think when that

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Speaker 3: is met with a level of determination, there is there

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Speaker 3: are a few things that you can't achieve.

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Speaker 2: What's your worst feature?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, my worst feature is probably just the

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Speaker 3: uncontrollable personality of the artist.

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Speaker 2: Like if you're like, I'm a I'm an ADHD nightmare.

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Speaker 3: But my my biggest battles are within not my biggest

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Speaker 3: battles are with myself. Sometimes I feel like I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm the greatest villain to my own story, you know.

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Speaker 2: And uh, And.

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Speaker 3: That's I think one of the reasons why I like

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Speaker 3: telling stories, whether it's David or whether it's Jesus Revolution.

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Speaker 3: I like these stories of imperfect people that are very

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Speaker 3: flawed that God still uses because I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like I fit right in. We all do. Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: is the thing you know that authors don't know?

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Speaker 3: I know, boy, that's a great question and a loaded question.

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Speaker 2: It is I know.

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Speaker 3: That it you know what, I think The thing that

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Speaker 3: I can most that would be most helpful to people

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Speaker 3: listening is I know that it just takes longer than

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Speaker 3: you think. In the sense that I wanted to Ice first.

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Speaker 3: The spark of curiosity for David happened when I was

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Speaker 3: sixteen years old. The first script I wrote for a

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Speaker 3: movie on David was in twenty twelve. And success is

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Speaker 3: long obedience in the same direction. If you genuinely feel

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Speaker 3: like your call to do something, just keep going. It's

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Speaker 3: going to take a lot longer than you think, and

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Speaker 3: then you're going to get to this breakthrough moment. And

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Speaker 3: I think there's not a lot of failures in terms

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Speaker 3: of stories. There's just a lot of incomplete stories. In

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Speaker 3: the sense of there's not a lot of bad films.

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Speaker 3: There's just unfinished films. Sometimes we say, and I think

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Speaker 3: sometimes people give up and you never know when that

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Speaker 3: breakthrough moment where the fog clears was right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: And you stop too early, and you stop too early.

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Speaker 3: So if I can give any advice to anybody is

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Speaker 3: if you really feel like you're supposed to do something,

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Speaker 3: as long as you're learning, as long as you're curious,

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Speaker 3: don't give up.

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Speaker 2: You just never know when that moment is right around

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Speaker 2: the corner. Final question, what happens when this is over? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 2: I take a nap. I think is.

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what I really dream of, and

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Speaker 3: this is the dream of the Wonder project. Is you

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Speaker 3: think about the most profound outcome that could come from

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Speaker 3: all this. Somebody should make a documentary sometime of the

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Speaker 3: twenty five year mayhem that has led to Fate film

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Speaker 3: and the reemergence of this type content and.

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Speaker 2: The yahoos that God has used to do it.

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Speaker 3: But my hope the outcome that I would be most

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Speaker 3: like this made the journey worth it is If you

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Speaker 3: watch The House of David Traylor, the first title card

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Speaker 3: that comes up is the MGM logo LEO the lionis

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Speaker 3: is one hundred years of entertainment. My hope is that

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Speaker 3: a lot of these successes for movies and television can

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Speaker 3: coalesce into an institution that can last one hundred years

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Speaker 3: and really allow us to tell these stories on a

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Speaker 3: global scale long after I'm not able. So I joke

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Speaker 3: around that I'd love to see a studio last one

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Speaker 3: hundred years. I'd love to get it halfway. If Clint

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Speaker 3: Easwood can do it, I can do it, you know.

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Speaker 3: But the idea is that would be a transcendent outcome

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Speaker 3: that my hope and prayer and strong belief is that

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Speaker 3: there's now this group of creatives and we're willing each

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Speaker 3: other on to success. We're competing in the best sense

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Speaker 3: of the word, just trying to one up each other.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I remember seeing every version of Dallas

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Speaker 3: Jenkins scene of Walking on the Water. I was shooting

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Speaker 3: the Jesus Revolution move with the Keys his DP, so

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Speaker 3: we were looking at every version on a Keith's phone

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Speaker 3: and I was called Dallason but that was a I

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Speaker 3: feel that that's the best version of the Walking on

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Speaker 3: the Water that I've ever seen. It was so well done,

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Speaker 3: and that just makes me want to like one up

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Speaker 3: and with the Dam.

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Speaker 2: And Goliath, I'm like, wait till you see David Goliath.

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Speaker 2: But that's happening.

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Speaker 3: And my hope is that the work that we're doing

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Speaker 3: as a group of friends and partners and collaborators right

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Speaker 3: now will sort of break the dam, as it were,

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Speaker 3: to allow creatives to come behind us and have their

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Speaker 3: voices heard, and that would be the most inspiring goal.

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Speaker 2: And to have any role in.

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Speaker 3: Something that's emerging in front of you like is a privilege.

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Speaker 3: And to bleed on the bleeding edge, to be in

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Speaker 3: the arena at all is a great privilege.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, I was not lost on me.

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Speaker 1: Leo the Lion opened the movie and David confronts Leo

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Speaker 1: in the movie.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not what happened. Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 3: I just think that was actually one of the things

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Speaker 3: that that you know, you know, Samuel says to David

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Speaker 3: in the show. Uh, you know, God doesn't look on

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Speaker 3: the outward appearance. He looks in the heart. That's what's

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Speaker 3: in the Bible. And then we add, and you have

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Speaker 3: the heart of a lion, you know. And what a

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Speaker 3: lions do? They roar, he tells him. And uh, And

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Speaker 3: so the fact that the trailer opens with the lion energy,

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Speaker 3: it is a good omen.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great, great interview. We have talked for hours.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the whole House of David is on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Prime and it's worth watching with your family. But after

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Speaker 1: I spoke to John, I thought, why was David able

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Speaker 1: to whip Goliath so badly?

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Speaker 2: Well, like every small person.

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Speaker 1: Who takes on a big entity or a tiny hero

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Speaker 1: on a huge villain. He flipped the script on Goliath.

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Speaker 1: The philistine warrior thought he was fighting a conventional enemy

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Speaker 1: with swords and shields, a battle of strength, But David

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Speaker 1: brought a stone to the knife fight. His surprising ingenuity,

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Speaker 1: leaning into his own strength, gave him the victory. He

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Speaker 1: also had unflinching faith, a tested faith. At one point,

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Speaker 1: he says, the Lord has delivered me out of the

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Speaker 1: paw of the lion and out of the paw of

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Speaker 1: the bear. He will deliver me out of the hand

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Speaker 1: of this philistine. That determined faith, coupled with ingenuity made

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Speaker 1: him a hero and the thing John said about jumping

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Speaker 1: off the edge of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: With faith, that really is the hero's journey.

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