1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have so much 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: stuff going on in Hollywood right now. But you might 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: have heard about this story with the new Bachelorette. Apparently 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: she has some abuse allegations against her, and it looks 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: like they knew and they still used her. And I'm like, 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: how does this happen? I need an expert to explain 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: this to me. So we have Christian Toto. He is 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: the host of Hollywood in Toto podcast. Thank you so 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: much for joining. 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: Me all my pleasure. Yeah, this is fun. 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: So I'm watching what's going on here, and this person 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: is named Taylor Frankie Paul first of all three first names, 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: it's always. 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: A red flag. 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Three red flags, yes exactly, and it's like gender neutral 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: first name. It's very weird. So anyway, she is someone 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: who was on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Interesting. Okay, 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I full disclosure, I've not watched The Bachelorette. I've not 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: watched this Mormon Wives thing. Had a totally different vision 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: of Mormon wives in my head until started happening. 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: What's interesting about this whole thing is that, you know, 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: back in the day, reality TV was a little bit 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: like a documentary and then it's more so aggressively over 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: the years, where the participants know exactly what they need 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: to do to be outrageous, to be bold, to be scary, 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: to be weird, to be provocative, and that's what the 27 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: TV producers want. But at some point things are going 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: to go awry. And now we're seeing things go awry. 29 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: We've got someone who's got some abuse allegations and apparently 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: it was caught on video, so not so not so 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: surprising here. But if you want to pursue dysfunction, you're 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: going to get dysfunction, and sometimes it's going to get ugly. 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: So I guess that's what we have always kind of 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: known in the background, like we had heard these stories 35 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: years ago. I feel like the first reality show came 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: out more than twenty years ago, and we were watching 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: like Survivor and those types of things, and then then 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: we started to hear behind the scenes while they're actually 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: making things up and they're telling people to do things. Actually, 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe Rachel Campo stuffy was she like one of the 41 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: first realities to hers. She could really tell us a 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: lot about this. 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a template, and you know, we shouldn't be 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: surprised by now, And it's one of the reasons why listen. 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm a film critic and a TV critic. I don't 46 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 2: watch I can't watch it all, and I don't watch 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: this in part because it just seems like bad fiction, 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: like right, not right, a tent take. It's not raw, 49 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: it's not genuine, it's all kind of gussied up in 50 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: a way that she just seems clearly artificial. So I'd 51 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: rather watch a well scripted drama with good performances than 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: a poorly scripted drama with bad performance Is that just me? 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: You know, call me crazy, but yeah, this is what 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: you get, and you know that real world experience. I 55 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: remember watching those shows with the crazy Puck character and all. 56 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: These things that was her season. 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that they really kind of set 58 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: the template like, Okay, we need something unconventional, we need 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: something outrageous. If it's just nice people behaving nicely to 60 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: each other, yeah, it's a yawn. So I get where 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: they're going. But if you keep pushing the envelope, you're 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: going to get a different kind of envelope that you 63 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: may not want. And now you know this studio, the 64 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: channel is up. You'll lose a ton of money on this. 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine how much money was invested 66 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: in the season, and it sounds like they're going to 67 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: scrap it entirely. 68 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: But I think what's crazy about this is that exactly 69 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: what you're saying, they knew this would bring a certain 70 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: amount of drama. They actually knew about this because there 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: was a case involved, like she had been charged with 72 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: domestic violence and abuse in the presence of a child, 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: so like misdemeanor child abuse. And I think the story 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: that I'm hearing is that the network was like, Okay, 75 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: it's okay because of exactly what you're saying, we want 76 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: to bring a little chaos in. This is a person 77 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: who will bring in the chaos. She's a little volatile. 78 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: We don't know what will happen. We'll have all these 79 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: men and they'll be vying for her attention. And nobody's 80 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: really going to be have a problem with this because 81 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: they knew about it when she was on the other 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: reality show. She's already on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, 83 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: which must have been pretty raunchy because this is apparently 84 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: how they acted, and I'm shocked by it, But that 85 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: gave them almost like Okay, your morals can be set 86 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: aside because it's already out there. And then just recently, 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting how it changed when people were like, well, 88 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: wait a minute, there's a kid that was hurt here. 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: And I feel like that was the moment which gives 90 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: me a little bit of hope for society that there 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: was a moment when they said we can't make a 92 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: lot of money off of a child abuser. 93 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is Hollywood's morals are pretty wobbly 94 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: on a good day, but they crossed the line here. 95 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: It is almost funny that the different participants would go 96 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: from show to show and I guess each new show 97 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 2: will say, well, I'm sure they were vetted. But also, 98 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: when it comes to vetting, you could just do a 99 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: Google search and just find out what's going on with 100 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: a lot of the people involved here, so it doesn't 101 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: actually speak well of what they're doing. And listen, you 102 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: don't want to have a political style vetting process for 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: every participant. It shouldn't be that you know, nitty gritty, 104 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: but this is where it could end up, and you've 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: got to know what's going on behind the scenes before 106 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: you sign those contracts and hire those people. Or maybe 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: just make a good show and not have to worry 108 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: about sort are these really wild and crazy people trying 109 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: to bring the excitement, because maybe just make something that's 110 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: interesting on the surface that sounds crazy, but it could work. 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: We had family over the weekend at our house and 112 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: that was exactly like this kid is probably thirty years old, 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: so younger than me. Just at the tail end. I 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: feel like of watching shows on TV where you watch 115 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: on Thursday night and then you have to wait until 116 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: the next Thursday night to see the next episode, you know, 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: and everybody kind of gathers around the TV together and 118 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: the shows are family friendly and it becomes like a 119 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: part of your culture, and that that's lost. In fact, 120 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: one of the points that he was making is he's like, 121 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's all these great actors on Apple shows, 122 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: and yet nobody really promotes Apple shows or talks about 123 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Apple shows. So we miss a lot of the Apple 124 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: TV shows because it's just another one of these streaming 125 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: apps and they're all pushed in there. And I do 126 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: think like I've watched some of those shows and they're creative. 127 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: I mean, they're weird, but they're creative. And I feel 128 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: like we are missing that in this bombardment of streaming, 129 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: and I feel like there's so much availability to put 130 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: your content out, whereas there used to not be. It 131 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: was like studios had to choose your show and they 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: would do all kinds of science to make sure it 133 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: was going to actually be something people would like and 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: then play it and it might only last a season 135 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: or they make changes, but there was a like there 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: was much more involvement in making a show a success. 137 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: Now we're so oversaturated that it just doesn't feel like 138 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: people who have to. 139 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: Work that hard. It's a blessing and a curse. Like 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: you said, there are many more shows available. They quality 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: in certain cases has risen to me. When I was 142 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: growing up, TV shows were just a certain level, and 143 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: then movies were much better. And now it's almost flipped 144 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: in a way. But you know, the good side is 145 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: that we have so much content to so much competition, 146 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: which makes each show a little bit better. They have 147 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: to cut through the noise. At the same time, we're 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: all siloed. You know, there are people who have Apple 149 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: TV Plus and they're streaming it and they're getting good content. No, no, 150 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: you know, no issues with the programming there, but that's 151 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: a small part of the overall pie. So we don't 152 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: have a common culture anymore. I thinks one of the 153 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: reasons why they had that Eighties nostalgia has endured is 154 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: because it was one of the last few decades where 155 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: we were all together. We all wear shoulder pads and 156 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: parachute pants, and we had the you know, the eighties 157 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: music on our on the turntable. We just don't have 158 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: that anymore. And listen, there's much more than many more 159 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: options now. There are many great things about the world 160 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: we're living in, but we missed that. We missed those 161 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: common ties. And yeah, waiting a week to see a 162 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: show and then talking about it the next day at 163 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: the water cooler. It may sound like a cliche, but 164 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: it also sounds nice. 165 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 166 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. So maybe it is just nostalgia 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: for me, but I also think that there was value 168 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: in that, and there was value in what those shows 169 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: brought because there was always some lesson in a lot 170 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: of those shows. There was a lesson, right, or there 171 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: was joy, or there was laughter, and we're just we're 172 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: just not seeing as much of that today, and I 173 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: feel like COVID really changed this because, yeah, it's such 174 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: a lover of movies. 175 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: You know, A rare and wonderful exception was just in 176 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: theaters last weekend. Of course, it's in there now. Project 177 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: Hill Mary came out, and all I've seen across all 178 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: of social media is how sweet and human and wonderful 179 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: and original and fresh is And why don't they make 180 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: more movies like this? It's just a constant refrain and 181 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: I've seen it as a beautiful film. 182 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know what this is. Tell me about it. 183 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a new Ryan Gosling film. It came out 184 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: just a couple of days ago. I got any scientist 185 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: who goes into space because there's a threat to the Sun, 186 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: and he's one of these curious thinkers and he has 187 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: a scheme that might work, that might save the world, 188 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: but we don't know Project hell Mary. So you know, 189 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: it's just him in a spaceship all alone. But it's 190 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: chock full of imagination and wonder and it's PG. Thirteen. 191 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: It's pretty clean, and it's just the kind of movie 192 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: they used to make. It's just the kind of movie 193 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: there your kids can like, your you know, your grandparents 194 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: can like everyone in between enjoys and everyone's like, hey, Hollywood, 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: we love this, We're going to make this a huge hit. 196 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: Can you make more of it? And sadly they seem 197 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: either incapable or unwilling to make these movies that really 198 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: tie us all together. And it's I know, we've. 199 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: Seen a lot of faith movies that have been really successful, 200 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: but it's not coming from big Hollywood. And there's so 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: much money in big Hollywood that could be put behind this. 202 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Although I say that, and then I saw who was 203 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: it Dana Carvey and David's bid. Yes, yes, they do 204 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: the podcast together, and they said that some of these 205 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: big sound stages are going broke. Yeah, how can that happen? 206 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean, I think that they're talking 207 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: specifically about LA, and LA production is just cratering. Listen, 208 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: the COVID didn't help, but the strikes didn't help. But 209 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: it's LA. It's a self inflicted wound. You've got so 210 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: many issues. Talked to filmmakers, they say, the union fees 211 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: are through the roof, and just the price of everything 212 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: is through the roof, and gas and crime and it 213 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: just LA has made filmmaking not accessible like it used 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: to be. And so people are going to Georgia and 215 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: they're going to cross, you know, into Canada, and that's 216 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: where the films. I talked to a director who made 217 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: an LA based story and he shot it in South Africa, 218 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: and he was desperate to tell it in LA and 219 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: shoot it in LA. But it just wasn't cost prohibitive 220 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: or was. You know. 221 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: That's been one of the criticisms of the Trump administration 222 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: is because President Trump was like, I won't I won't 223 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: let movies come here that have been filmed someplace else, 224 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Like you're gonna have a huge tariff, that's going to 225 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: be a big deal. But are we being somewhat punished 226 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: by Democrat policies because of what has happened in California? 227 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: And I mean, I agree with you on Canada. I've 228 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: seen a lot of films that and even TV shows 229 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: that you can watch on Netflix or any of these 230 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: streaming programs that are really good shows, but they're filmed 231 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: in Canada because you can't afford to do it on 232 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: a Hollywood soundstage. 233 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a new normal, and it's been going 234 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: on for a while now, and it's I mean, it's 235 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: the democratic policies. It's not all that as far as 236 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: it fault there, but it's a lot of it for sure. 237 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: And I think do you think, I mean, do you 238 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: think it was Gavin Newsom. 239 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: I think he made it worse. I think it was 240 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: probably you know, getting there before he entered the scene. 241 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: It's Karen Vass, the mayor there. It's it's sort of 242 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: the statewide policies. It's union or bust. There's a lot 243 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: of different factors there. But listen, would you want to 244 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: go to LA and face those crime rates and step 245 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: over the poor homeless people again and again and suffer 246 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: and you know, and and now just people are moving 247 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: away and it's gotten so bad that were people wear data, 248 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: Carfee and David Spade, who are really a political even 249 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: there noticing it and even there speaking up about it. 250 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: That's that's how bad it's gotten. And it's making them 251 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: sad because they that's where they flourished for years. 252 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really it makes I think it 253 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: makes all of us sad because we talk obviously politically 254 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: a lot on this podcast, and we criticize the left 255 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: for doing these things, but there are American staples and 256 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: I feel like American film is an innovation and it 257 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: is a stronghold across the globe, and there's nothing like 258 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: American film, and American movies are just there's something special 259 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: we all feel. We all feel special connection to movies. 260 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has a movie that they have certain 261 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: feels about that they go back to those stories that 262 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,239 Speaker 1: you love and they can only be told by American 263 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: movie makers. And yet it feels like that's being destroyed 264 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: by policies that are just driving American films out of 265 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: this country. 266 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: I agree, and especially on the emotional note, there are 267 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: films that just mean a lot to us in so 268 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: many different ways. It could be silly, it could be emotional. 269 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: But also what's happening is there may be a course correction. 270 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: We're seeing filmmaking blossom in Nowshville, We're seeing it in Texas. 271 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: You know, Mark Wahlberg's talking about Nevada as a possible hub. 272 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Zachary Levi is talking about similar things as well. So 273 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: it may not be old school La production like we've 274 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: seen for decades, and maybe that makes us a little 275 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: nossalgic and sad, but those American stories may just blossom 276 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: in other places. And it's that cultural soft power that 277 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: matters that we should be. You know, China does it 278 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: in a very heavy handed way where it's you know, 279 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: China is great, and we must put out this propaganda 280 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: in films. But how about just tell great American stories. 281 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: You know, the Pursuit of Happiness with Will Smith from 282 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: I guess a decade or so ago was just a 283 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: love letter to capitalism. Yes you will work hard, Yes 284 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: you will stumble, but you will rise and you will 285 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: thrive if you care enough, if you work hard enough, 286 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: because that's the system we have. That's not just a 287 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: good movie, it's a good message. 288 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: So you bring that up, you bring up the messages 289 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and just that feeling that comes with movies. But Chuck Norris, 290 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: we just lost Chuck Norris, and I think a lot 291 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: of people were just shocked. You know, he just felt 292 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: like this figure that was bigger than life and you know, 293 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: so healthy and like such a great guy would live forever. 294 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: We lost him, and so many people came out and 295 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, just celebrated his life. But Variety didn't. They 296 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: attacked him. I mean they literally said his work was 297 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: promoting a cop agenda and it was dangerous propaganda. How 298 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: did we get here. 299 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: It took my breath away when I read that story, 300 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: you know, and also I expected that piece, that kind 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: of piece, but not literally hours after the announcement of 302 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: his death. That I mean, the speed, the ferocity and 303 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: the ugliness of it did take me by surprise, and 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: I knew was coming, but I just didn't expect that 305 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: element of it. But that's that's where we are in 306 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: the culture. It's it's it's not even its anti Americanism 307 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: in a way that isn't even disguised anymore. It's just 308 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: out in the open. And you can't make a movie 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: that shows the excellence of this country that you know, 310 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: celebrates what we do best, that's patriotic. And he was 311 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: all those things. And he was on the right politically, 312 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: and I don't think he was banging a drum like 313 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: other people do, certainly not like a Mark Ruffalo for 314 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: the left. But that put a target on his back 315 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: as well. You know, when Rob Reiner died, it was 316 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: just an absolute travesty and just as ghastly as you 317 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: can be. And I disagree with everything Rob render said politically, 318 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: but he was a great filmmaker and I wouldn't as 319 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: an entertainment journalist. I wouldn't ever write a piece so 320 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: sort of tying his politics into his art, into his life, 321 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: especially not on the day of his death. Just I 322 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: couldn't imagine having that mindset. But that's what happened, you know, 323 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: before we started talking. I think the Hollywood Reporter has 324 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: another piece about Chuck Norris that might get a similar vein. 325 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: At least they waited a couple of days for that one. 326 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: But just it's it's a bit ghoulish. 327 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: It is. It's it is very disappointing, and I think 328 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, you're right, we hadn't in the past. 329 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: I think there was a slight activism when you would 330 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: see oscars and things, and you know, we had they 331 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: all the celebrities always like to get together and sing 332 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: songs about saving the world and freedom and all that, 333 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: which was still an American message. It went into this 334 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: weird socialist I mean, gosh, we just saw over the 335 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: weekend Code Pink go to Cuba and pretend like they 336 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: were lifting the people out of poverty while they took 337 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: all of their electricity and had a concert. I mean, 338 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: how did people with celebrity get to the point where 339 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: their minds are so backwards. 340 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: You know, it's a hard question. I don't have the answer, 341 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: but I will say, if we had a healthy satire culture, 342 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: if Saturday Night Live and the late night shows, if 343 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: they would mock these people, it wouldn't just be hilarious 344 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: and well deserved, it might actually teach them a lesson 345 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: about how silly they are and how superficial they're thinking is. 346 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: But without those guardrails, they just go on and on 347 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: and on, and they could just do these crazy things 348 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: and Saturday Night Live just looks the other way. All 349 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: they do is they hit one target, one side, one 350 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: way all the time. It's wildly predictable and sad and 351 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: not funny obviously, But wouldn't it be great if SNL 352 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: at this point when Greta Thunberg is, you know, she's 353 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: in her twenties now and bouncing from cause to cause 354 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: as inauthentically as possible. 355 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: Maybe right climate went by the wayside for Palestine. I mean, 356 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: I just find that hilarious that you can just get Oh, 357 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: actually that's not popular anymore. We're kicking the climate change 358 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: thing off and we're going to jump on the boat 359 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: literally and hang out outside of Gaza. 360 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: It's We're living in an age where you couldn't have 361 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: better material if you're a politically minded comedian. And yet 362 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: we have to learn look at you know, Patreon and 363 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: podcasts and TikTok and Instagram to find anyone who will 364 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: poke that bear, who will make fun of it. Because SNL, 365 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 2: they're just out of the business. It still exists, it's 366 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: still on the air, they still get paid, they still 367 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: get the lights on, but they don't do what they're 368 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: supposed to do clearly. And I don't mean they can't, 369 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, make fun of Trump all you want. That's great, 370 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: he's a president. You got to do other stuff, man, 371 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: there's so much out there. You've got a mayor of 372 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: New York City who's married to a woman who seems 373 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: like an absolute The words fail what we read about 374 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: what she's supporting. And they can't touch her. They just can't. 375 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: They won't, I know. 376 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: And you know she is like this kind of Cruella 377 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Deville character. You know, she's very fashionable. She's got the 378 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: short hair, and she's beautiful. You know, I won't deny 379 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: her that she is. And I think sometimes those people 380 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: can be so alluring that people look past the darkness 381 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: in their soul, and like, clearly her soul is very 382 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: dark and that should be called out. And I think 383 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: this is what really we heard for years from Jerry Seinfeld. 384 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On 385 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast, there's quite an uproar over what 386 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: happened with Chapel Roon over the weekend. She had Jude 387 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: Law's daughter, who you. I mean, the whole thing is 388 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: very interesting because it was like some concert. They're staying 389 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: at a hotel. Jude Law's daughter is eleven years old. Now, 390 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: remember this is an eleven year old child. I have 391 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: twins that are twelve, and they're just so excited about 392 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: anything that is big in their world. And Chapel Rone 393 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: is very big for her. That's for this eleven year old. 394 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: This is like her idol, right, she loves this woman. 395 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: So they're at the hotel having breakfast in the morning. 396 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: She says to her mom, I think that's her. I'm 397 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: going to walk past and look, doesn't take a picture, 398 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything, just walks past, looks, comes back to 399 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: the table, says yes. A security guard comes in, like 400 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: reams this little girl out. I have to say, I 401 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that she's Jude Law's daughter, because you would think 402 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: that having been around celebrities your whole life, your father 403 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: being one of the biggest celebrities, she was probably pretty 404 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: careful about how she approached the table, and she didn't 405 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: talk to her. She just looked what do you think 406 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: about celebrities who have gotten so big? I guess her. 407 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: Chapel's reaction was to initially put out this Instagram post 408 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: that maybe she thought was a little funny but was like, 409 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: don't bug me during breakfast, and then she got a 410 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: lot of backlash for that, pulled that down, did it 411 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: video like, it wasn't my security. I don't know what happened. 412 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: Feel bad that this happened. Still, it didn't feel like 413 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: she was trying to reach out to her fans, who 414 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: are the people that build her up, which I think 415 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: is where we are going. Does this person deserve the 416 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: celebrity and the love that she gets if she doesn't 417 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: love her fans back. 418 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a complicated story, and you know it's I 419 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: don't know if this video of it that we can 420 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: kind of look at that might kind of solve the problem. 421 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: But first of all, with Chapel, Roon should have done. 422 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: Instantly said I'm so sorry. It wasn't she could have 423 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: defended herself, and she said, you know what, I'm going 424 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: to invite that girl and her family to my next concert. 425 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to fly them in. We're going 426 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: to have a great time. She can come at, you know, 427 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: backstage after the show. I'm so sorry, Like, there are 428 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: ways to handle this. You know, a couple years there's. 429 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: Her dad and that happened to me. I would for 430 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: sure invite them. 431 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, I get it. I get it. 432 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: There's a story Jennifer Lawrence talking about celebrity. It's talking 433 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: about maybe autographs or photos or something like that, and 434 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: like she's like, you know, I don't really do that anymore. 435 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you know, Tom Hanks is Tom Hanks, and 436 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: he's been Tom Hanks for like four or five decades 437 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: now practically, and I've read where he just is agreeable 438 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 2: and sweet and kind, and he's much more recognizable than 439 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence as famous as she is. But he gets it, 440 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: you know, he understands that with the fame, with the money, 441 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: with the accolades, comes a certain Yeah, I'm gonna take 442 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: pictures wherever I go, yeah, I'm going to greet fans. 443 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: So I do think that it doesn't always happen, but 444 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: it is seemingly missing in our culture these days. I 445 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: think a lot of the younger stars just don't get it. 446 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: I almost wish they would talk to the older the 447 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: older team and get some lessons about humility and grace 448 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: and know, you know, chaperone, she's at the top of 449 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: the charts now. In a decade, maybe five years, she 450 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: may be aware of the now case, you just don't know. 451 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: You've got to be appreciative. 452 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I wonder. Old Hollywood, everybody had a 453 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: contract and they worked for a certain studio, and that 454 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: studio had a lot of control over your behavior. And 455 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's how you should have someone 456 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: controlling your behavior. However, you represent the people that are 457 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: in the movies with you. You represent the people who 458 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: work for the movies. And I think about all of 459 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: the people that it takes to make a movie. And 460 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: even when that happened with what's his name, Alec Baldwin, 461 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: when the person was killed on set, and it was devastating, 462 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: and you think about all of the people on that 463 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: set that had worked hard and that everything they did 464 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: was ruined. But sometimes when you have a star like this, 465 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: it starts to ruin people's opinions of what their shows are. 466 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: You know, who wants to watch a Jennifer Lawrence show 467 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: if she can't take the time to thank her fans. 468 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: And I do think that that is a very strange 469 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: attitude to have, because I mean, it's not like she's 470 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: at the end of her life and she's like, don't 471 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: show up at the nursing home. You know, she's got 472 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: a lot of time left to be signing people's autographs 473 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: and thanking the I mean, they are paying her salary. 474 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: And I know that it's hard for some people to 475 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: realize that. But when you're in a service industry, and 476 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: I consider the arts a service because people don't have 477 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: to take it, they can choose it, wouldn't you want 478 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: to reach out to the people who choose you. 479 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: You would think so. But it's a weird culture where 480 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: you know a lot of times when actors, when they 481 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: get low back, they're starring it maybe like a star 482 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: Trek show, and some of the fans are not happy 483 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: with it. What you often see is a defensive crouch. 484 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: You see lashing out. And you know, it's one of 485 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: the reasons why I think that Tom Cruise situation has 486 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: been so unique in the last few years that he's 487 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: become basically an ambassador for Hollywood. He keeps thanking us 488 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: to go to the movies for going to the movies 489 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: to see him. He's sweet and listen. It could be 490 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: an act, could be stick, it could be what his 491 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: pr people say. But you know what, I like it. 492 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: It feels genuine enough, and it feels like what an 493 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: actor of his caliber should be saying that they should 494 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: be grateful that he's had this career. And but he 495 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: you know, he does that. Dwayne Johnson does that at times. 496 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: Kevin Hart could be very magnanimous. And it's weird because 497 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: they seem like they're the exceptions today and said, you 498 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: get the the de Niro's yelling at you for voting 499 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: for Trump or something ridiculous. I mean, it's that's becoming 500 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: the norm and the Tom Cruises are becoming the exception, 501 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: and that's not good for Hollywood, is not good for 502 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: the culture. 503 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I know, I want to think of Leonardo DiCaprio as 504 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: Jack and not this guy that's going to tell me 505 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: not to get an airplane when he flies as private Giet. 506 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: You know this is how I feel. I'm like, I 507 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: hate knowing who you really are because I find out 508 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: that I love you and you hate me. It's just 509 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: this weird feeling because you want to see them as 510 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: a character, and that is truly. I mean, I will 511 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: tell you I don't want to see my politician in 512 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: swimsuits or playing tennis. I want to see them at 513 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: their desk doing their work. And my Hollywood actors, I 514 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: want to see them performing their craft. I don't want 515 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: to see them doing activism and telling me I'm an idiot, 516 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, And I want to go. I want to 517 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: have a reason to go see them. So you mentioned 518 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the Hail Mary film. Tell us give us your best recommendations, 519 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: because I hear this all the time. I'm not kidding you. 520 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: Like the last few weeks, people have been really like 521 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: what shows are you watching? What shows are you watching? 522 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like we share that in a different 523 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: way now, Like you were saying earlier, we used to 524 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: come together and watch shows as a family, but now 525 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: I think people are constantly like, what are you into 526 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: right now? So I can get into that too. I 527 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: can seek it out. What do you recommend movies and TV. 528 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's completely true, by the way, because I think 529 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: there's so much out there, we need to kind of 530 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: lean un trusted friends or a critic. I mean, I'm 531 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: a critic. Hopefully people like whatout doing, trust me. But 532 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 2: I'm enjoying Rooster right now. It's a new show on 533 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 2: HBO staring Steve Carell. He plays a visiting professor at 534 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: a college, and just the latest episode touched on how 535 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: sensitive university students are. How you say the wrong thing 536 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: or it's interpreted the wrong way can get you in trouble. 537 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: So they're kind of poking fun a little bit about that, 538 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: which is overdue. Also, Steve Carell is a genius. He's 539 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: just so good at what he does. It's not the 540 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: best thing he's performed in recent years, but it's certainly enjoyable. 541 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned Project Heil Mary a full recommendation. There also 542 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: a movie it's probably heading to VOD video on demand 543 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: now or soon, is Send Help. It's pure escapism. It's 544 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: about a woman who works at a company. Her boss 545 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: is a jerk. He's domineering. She's very talented, but she 546 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: gets overlooked well they go on a trip. They crash 547 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: land on an island, and she's the survivalist and he's hapless. 548 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: And the powership that goes on there, it's just wildly entertaining. 549 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: If you just stressed out, check out that movie Send Help. 550 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: It's really enjoyable. 551 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, thank you for coming on today. 552 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. This this is my This is 553 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: like my guilty pleasure. I love all Hollywood stuff, so 554 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: I love talking about it. But it's you know, it's 555 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: hard to talk about when you're on the right because 556 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: people are like, how do you like them? Like, I 557 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: just like to be taken away someplace else. I love 558 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: a good story. 559 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: It's tricky. 560 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: No, it is tricky. It is. 561 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: It's one of things. I mean, I hate the politics 562 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: of Hollywood, and yet I often love Hollywood. But I 563 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: try to kind of straddle that line where I want 564 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: to lead people to good content. Listen, if it's left 565 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: leaning and it's still entertaining, I got to give it 566 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: a thumbs up, you got to recommend it. So but 567 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: I also get people a heads up what's going on 568 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: in some of the propaganda there too. 569 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well, Christian Toto, thank you so much for 570 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: being on today my pleasure, and thank you all for 571 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always. You can 572 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: subscribe at Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 573 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. 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