WEBVTT - The Life and Myth of Bo Jackson with Jeff Pearlman

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<v Speaker 1>From the King of sports books comes the Key Sports

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Unleashed, presented by the MGM. Here's your host, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrara and Olivia Harlan Dekker. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Unleashed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Bill Belichick says football season starts after Thanksgiving. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, welcome to football season. The leaves are changing,

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<v Speaker 1>and so is the playoff picture. We're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to all that. Plus if you were a Bo Jackson fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, we have New York Times best selling author

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Burman joining us to discuss his new book. He

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<v Speaker 1>has so many bestsellers. This one's called The Last Folk Hero,

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<v Speaker 1>The Life and Myth of Bo Jackson and Packer fans

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<v Speaker 1>will also love Gunslinger about Brett Farve. I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>that one on the show before. I love that book.

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<v Speaker 1>I just started reading the Bou Jackson book. It is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He interviewed over seven people and there are incredible stories

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<v Speaker 1>in there. I'm really excited to talk to him and

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<v Speaker 1>here some of his stories. Jerry, you go back a

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<v Speaker 1>little ways with Jeff, don't you. I go back with Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>He It was is one of my favorite writers I've

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<v Speaker 1>read all of his books. I used to try to

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<v Speaker 1>option all of his books as a producer years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think they're all optioned. Yeah. Anytime I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's a Jeff Prolman book in the works are coming,

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of put it into my schedule to make

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<v Speaker 1>time to read it. And also now audio wise, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to listen to a book too. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how I consume. So he's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>goat when it comes to some of these sports books.

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<v Speaker 1>He really is. Oh. Absolutely, Yeah, as Walter Peyton book

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<v Speaker 1>is really good. Yeah, we have so much to ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really looking forward to this interview. Um. I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to hearing how your Thanksgiving. Once I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about you look, it was great. It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>We hosted twenty seven adults and six kids that I

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<v Speaker 1>did just discover something that I did not see. So

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<v Speaker 1>we had some tables in the basement because just overflow

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<v Speaker 1>of people down here, you know, the living room. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a little kitchen area and then there's like my gym.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a big jim, but it's a nice little

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<v Speaker 1>the end. Today, I'm doing my best version of a

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<v Speaker 1>workout because I'm tired and I'm looking at the floor

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<v Speaker 1>in my and I'm thinking what And one of the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe it was my own, who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>just had some kind of permanent marker scribbling on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor in certain like the whole length of the beam

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<v Speaker 1>from mirror to wall. And uh, yeah, I'm just gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I'm just gonna sell the house. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna put it on the lort sell. How I say,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, after that party for Thanksgiving, we start

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<v Speaker 1>over well, and I know the Giants game was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge part of your day. How did you fare? It sucked,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, because they fought so hard and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just undermanned at this point, the injuries are too far gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dable has been doing a really good job

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<v Speaker 1>of getting the most out of Daniel Jones. Quan sort

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<v Speaker 1>of been running to the ground a little bit. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of carries this year. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud. I'm very optimistic and happy. I am not

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<v Speaker 1>mad at the Giants one bit, even though I would

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<v Speaker 1>have loved to have seen them win that game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I might have a little unleashed later about

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<v Speaker 1>some Thanksgiving football stuff Oh okay, I'm here for that.

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<v Speaker 1>How about the NFC East All four teams would currently

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<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs. It's amazing. Nuts, Yeah, I think they

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<v Speaker 1>should have been the Washington contenders instead of the Commanders.

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<v Speaker 1>They came out of nowhere. They certainly look like they're

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Then you look at Jalen Hurts, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not that it was the hardest competition of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say when you look at Jalen Hurts and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to really give him his m v P

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<v Speaker 1>chand a hundred and fifty seven on the ground, he's

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<v Speaker 1>in territory now where he's almost by himself. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Which if you had told me this a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, we wouldn't have believed that because everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>hot on Josh Allen for like the first half of

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<v Speaker 1>the season and now running away with it literally literally

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<v Speaker 1>running away with it. Um. Also in that game, Packers

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles betters could cash in on the over in the

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<v Speaker 1>first thirty minutes. That game was just gunfire. That was

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<v Speaker 1>so exciting to watch. How much are you but are

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<v Speaker 1>you watching all start to finish to the Packer Because

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I respect about these Browns fans and I

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<v Speaker 1>come across there and and they screwed a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people with that win. I think there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of bucks, parlay's and money lines and teasers that they

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<v Speaker 1>almost screwed or did screw. But they still watched the games,

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<v Speaker 1>all these Browns fans like there's something to watch. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you watching these Packer games still? Like we could still

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<v Speaker 1>get in mathematically? Yes? And you know I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Thursday night game last week against the Titans, and

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<v Speaker 1>then this Sunday night, this past Sunday night. How could

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<v Speaker 1>you look away from that game even if you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of either team. That was a great game.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the excitement of Roger's leaving and Jordan's love

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<v Speaker 1>going in and he sparked something in our rookie receiver

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Watson got another touchdown. He's really found something in

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of weeks. I mean, it's it's You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see it on every talk show this week, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Should Aaron Rodgers call it a season? And then we

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<v Speaker 1>start the charade of all off season? What's he gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the team gonna do? You know, as a Packer fan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting really weary of that I'm getting really run

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<v Speaker 1>down on this topic. But you've got to ask it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after Jordan's love comes in and does all right,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think? I mean as an outsider, as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a non Packer fan, So as a non

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<v Speaker 1>Packer fan, it's so hard to I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say the word tank, but it's so hard to say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's phone it in the season and make

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<v Speaker 1>and actually get a really good draft pick here. Because

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<v Speaker 1>there's such physical violence in football. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>could just phone it in because if you phone it in,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get seriously, seriously hurt. So to that degree

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<v Speaker 1>and there and there their athletes, they're glad eat there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's no phoning it. I would like to see if

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers really is banged up and we're not seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>best of Aaron Rodgers, and I know he has the

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<v Speaker 1>thumb thing. I would just like to see Jordan's love play.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it is a lost season. I'm not saying you

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<v Speaker 1>need to put such imponisma one and you could trade

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's love or you could trade Aaron. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>going that far. I just want to see Jordan's love

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<v Speaker 1>play because they are going to have to make some

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<v Speaker 1>decisions this offseason, and look, would it be the worst

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<v Speaker 1>thing in the world. The Packers only one one more

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<v Speaker 1>game the rest of the year and had a really

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<v Speaker 1>good draft pick, And I don't think that's the word thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Michael Lombardi, friend of the show's coming and joining

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<v Speaker 1>us next week. I listened to his pod and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a very distinct like, no, Aaron Rodgers getting a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety billion dollars, he needs to play if

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<v Speaker 1>he could play. So I trust his take more than mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to see Jordan's love play and see

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<v Speaker 1>what he could do. I know he came in in

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<v Speaker 1>the third quarter. He went six for nine, one thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>and that touchdown of Christian Watson I mentioned. I agree

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<v Speaker 1>because he's in year three and the Packers need to

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<v Speaker 1>decide what they want to do with him going into

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<v Speaker 1>year four of his rookie contract. It's it's a business decision.

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<v Speaker 1>And how can you cut a guy, trade guy, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do with him if you really haven't given

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<v Speaker 1>him a shot. And now this season that could be

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<v Speaker 1>one upside of this season is that we can see

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<v Speaker 1>what we got. Yeah, Like, it's a tough spot to

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<v Speaker 1>be in and the Packers and you Packer fans are

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<v Speaker 1>really not used to ever even having this talk. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I don't mind all the sports talk we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get about this, because you don't see it with Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers in the Packers. You just don't because you're always contenders,

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<v Speaker 1>You're always in the mix, always a threat. So I

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<v Speaker 1>do think this is a rare opportunity where you again,

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<v Speaker 1>he is banged up. It is confirmed Aaron Rodgers is

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<v Speaker 1>banged up. It's not like he's a and playing so well,

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<v Speaker 1>or else we wouldn't have this discussion. He says he's

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<v Speaker 1>playing Sunday. He does. He just came out and said

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<v Speaker 1>he's playing Sunday. Rib injury aside, thumb injury aside. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what kind of skeleton is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>playing quarterback for the Packers this weekend, but Aaron says

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<v Speaker 1>it's him. And listen, when it's the Chicago Bears on

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule and you've gone out of your way to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how you own them, I maybe would say

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing too. I'll play this Bears game and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know what, don't they got the Chiefs? Jordan Law,

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<v Speaker 1>you go go ahead, go ahead to head with my homes,

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<v Speaker 1>get in their kids. Another team that will certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>be making the playoffs is the l A. Rams. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, how the Mighty have fallen? After winning the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. Now they're three and eight and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>word on when Matt Stafford will return. And to make

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<v Speaker 1>matters worse, the Lions owned their first round pick, So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not sure Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna want to stick around for a rebuild. And

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Ramsey got burned by Travis Kelsey this weekend and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't look good. He's kind of hot and cold.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the Rams? Look? Travis Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>burns a lot of people that that connection is just

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<v Speaker 1>undeniably the best ever. I'm sorry you'll disrespect Aniel the

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<v Speaker 1>great tight ends. That's the greatest connection ever. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you say with the Rams? They got their Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>they got that amazing new stadium. And it's weird because

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<v Speaker 1>I looked this up because I was wondering should the

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<v Speaker 1>Rams be in l A. I was trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>this whole reconfiguration. Wouldn't be better if the Raiders were

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<v Speaker 1>in l A. And then maybe the Chargers were in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>and then where do we put the Rams. I do

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<v Speaker 1>know they have a strong l A fan base for

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<v Speaker 1>the I mean strong using that word liberally. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at their attendance and they are like top

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<v Speaker 1>ten in attendants because I think all the other teams

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<v Speaker 1>fans show up for their games. So I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>business model does work if you're okay with six of

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<v Speaker 1>the place being filled with the opposing teams fan. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>they got their championship. It's amazing. They have no draft picks.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they went they tried to go in on

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<v Speaker 1>McCaffrey with some late draft picks, like in a few

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<v Speaker 1>years from now. I don't know what how much more

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<v Speaker 1>could you do? It might be time the Aaron Donald

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<v Speaker 1>will probably retire. Jalen Ramsey. You probably gotta trade him

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<v Speaker 1>to a contender and maybe you could get a first

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<v Speaker 1>round pick or get something they got. They're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to just reload. It's gonna be really hard to do

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<v Speaker 1>that without your draft picks. I mean, the Lions potentially

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<v Speaker 1>may get like three and six overall this year if

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<v Speaker 1>this continues this way, Yeah, I know, And then then

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<v Speaker 1>they might be ready next year, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They there's a lot to like about the Lions, and

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<v Speaker 1>there certainly was this weekend as well. So yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>they get a couple of pieces, what's not to like

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<v Speaker 1>about them for this coming season? Yeah, it's We talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the NBA a lot with the Lakers and the

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<v Speaker 1>Pelicans and and trading for the star player that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>brings you that instant success, but long term doesn't bring

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<v Speaker 1>you any So now if you're the team that traded

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<v Speaker 1>the superstar, you're kind of sitting back like it's my time. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We see it with the Pelicans. Now, you gotta we

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of Houston Texans on this show. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns stink this year. They stole that game against the Books.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gonna be a good pick for the Texans unless

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns really go on the run, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see happening. Obviously. We know what position the Seattle Seahawks

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<v Speaker 1>are in with the Russell Wilson trade. So it's bad

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<v Speaker 1>for the Rams, but they got their championship, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's gonna be a tear it down and

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<v Speaker 1>rebuild and it might take a very long time. So

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask you theoretically, and you can plug in

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<v Speaker 1>any sport, any team. If your team went all in

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<v Speaker 1>to win just one championship like the Rams did, how

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<v Speaker 1>many years of irrelevancy would you be willing to trade

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<v Speaker 1>for that? Five years? Ten years? I mean, how much

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<v Speaker 1>is one championship season worth you? Okay, Wow, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful question. I will say I would do five years

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<v Speaker 1>for the Giants, five because it's been five years. It's

0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.480
<v Speaker 1>been longer than that, five years for the Yankees. For

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<v Speaker 1>the Knicks, I will trade my lifetime for one championship

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been my lifetime. Yeah, you give me one,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think one Knicks championship is worth three

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere else in the NBA. For the fans, I would

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<v Speaker 1>take gone thirty years of irrelevancy for one championship, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've been waiting and been irrelevant waiting for one championship

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<v Speaker 1>for my entire life. How many of those games would

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<v Speaker 1>you be at in the playoffs? Oh? As many? As

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<v Speaker 1>as many as I could be. It's as many as

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<v Speaker 1>Bree would allow. Yeah, if it could be all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be there for all of them. I've actually I've

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<v Speaker 1>been the one Knicks playoff game in the nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>it was an incredible experience and it hasn't been many

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<v Speaker 1>of them in modern day. I did not go to

0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.960
<v Speaker 1>any Knicks Hawks two years ago, so that I would

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<v Speaker 1>go to all of them if I could. That'd be

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<v Speaker 1>fun to go just to see Trey Young. He's so

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<v Speaker 1>fun in those playoffs. Yes, not for you, Not for you.

0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.920
<v Speaker 1>No great villain, though, great villain. Love a hell. The

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<v Speaker 1>NFL slate is so good this week, Jerry, I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a sneak preview for playoffs. Really obviously

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the show we dig deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>it with Peter Andrew. But real quick as you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the slate, I mean Thursday Bills Pats. Bills are

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<v Speaker 1>minus four and a half favorite. We have the big

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<v Speaker 1>return of DeShawn Wis Utson in Houston. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to like on this late What sticks out to you

0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Bill's Pats on Thursday. That's a great Thursday night game.

0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.000
<v Speaker 1>We deserve that Thursday night game that has playoff implications.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pats are in them, must win obviously, my Giants

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<v Speaker 1>and Commanders, although that might not like the World on

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<v Speaker 1>Fire offensively, that's a playoff game, because right now they're,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, all four NFC East teams are in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. But and I'll definitely peek in under the

0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Sean game to see what he's got. That being said,

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<v Speaker 1>the two games I have circled as my heavyweight fights

0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Dolphins Niners. I know, obviously it's a f C NFC

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't really say it's a playoff preview, but

0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.200
<v Speaker 1>these should be two high level playoff teams. What a

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<v Speaker 1>fun matchup. I just cannot wait to watch that game.

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<v Speaker 1>And then your Kansas City Chiefs, who are on a

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<v Speaker 1>nice little run revenge game, except this time they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to Cincinnati to play Joe Burrow in the Bengals, and

0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow, Joe Barrow's kind of got the swag back

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<v Speaker 1>that he found last year. It's starting to get it's

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow time. That is gonna be in saying game.

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<v Speaker 1>And then just as like a little dessert, little palate cleanser,

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<v Speaker 1>Chargers Raiders is always just like a psychopathic game, like

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't know. I dare you to pick who's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna win that game and be right, yeah, And Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>is expecting both of those games to be close. Chiefs

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<v Speaker 1>minus two and a half, Chargers minus. To look with

0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the Raiders, I mean they put it on display this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend. There are pieces of the Raiders to like,

0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.000
<v Speaker 1>mostly Josh Jacobs, but there's something there at the Raiders

0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that just feels like they're never dead. No. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>last year they won so many close games and everyone

0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.280
<v Speaker 1>wondered if they were for real. This year, they've lost

0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>all those close games, but they're starting to pick it

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<v Speaker 1>back up. When you look at the roster, you certainly

0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.640
<v Speaker 1>they have blue chippers all over the place. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna see They're not gonna go quietly.

0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the Raiders are gonna go quietly, although

0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they're the most dysfunctional. By dysfunctional, I mean you just

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Bipolar, a bi holer team, you just

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what you are going to get. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been excited to ask you about this game

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<v Speaker 1>because you live there Michigan, Ohio state, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>ton of Ohio state family members, and I'm just curious

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<v Speaker 1>if you have confirmation that Columbus is still standing or

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<v Speaker 1>have they just completely burnt it down. I would say

0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.320
<v Speaker 1>it felt like a funeral in some ways. A lot

0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.160
<v Speaker 1>of people looking at the ground muttering, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my in laws certainly upset. I've definitely a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun Ryan Day like, there's just a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard for me because I like college football a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch college I don't have a team, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you do. We've gone over this Coastal Carolina, Coastal Caroline,

0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.840
<v Speaker 1>which I kind of stopped following their record after week three.

0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I think they were three and a at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's check on them. Let's see old Coastal Carolina. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how are they doing well? When you type in Coastal

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina on Google on the wait, give me a second,

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:11.920
<v Speaker 1>what's the name? Hey, they're six and two, tied with

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<v Speaker 1>James Madison up in the Sun Belt. They're doing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. See they're nine and two overall, six

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<v Speaker 1>and two in conference. So I felt two losses. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it, but no, they it's a it's a real

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<v Speaker 1>thing over here. Some of Breeze cousins go to Ohio

0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.400
<v Speaker 1>State and I did a little temperature check their the

0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.760
<v Speaker 1>vibes are not good. So I understand because Briand coached

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<v Speaker 1>a horrible game. He coached scared. They had punts on

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<v Speaker 1>the Michigan forty three in their own forty nine. They

0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.600
<v Speaker 1>were so timid. They were terrible on both sides of

0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the ball. And think about this with Michigan, they were

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<v Speaker 1>the underdog, they were on the road, they without their

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<v Speaker 1>best player, and Jim Harbaugh coached a beautiful game. Like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's saying, it's it's his best game he's ever coached,

0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot of college coaches best game ever coached.

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<v Speaker 1>They were dominant from the start. They adjusted so perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>And now Harbor is too and oh in the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years he started oh and five in this series,

0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.840
<v Speaker 1>so it's crazy. Their quarterback J J. McCarthy, remember we

0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.400
<v Speaker 1>had Pat forty on early on the season and he

0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.080
<v Speaker 1>was walking us through the Michigan quarterback controversy. Well. J. J.

0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.720
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy said that they knew Ohio State would try to

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<v Speaker 1>stop their run game, so they went deep. They aired

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<v Speaker 1>it out obviously, right, you don't need to be a

0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.880
<v Speaker 1>scout to figure that one out. And he was so impressive.

0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Michigan tipped a tail, was so impressive. But now Kid McNamara,

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.639
<v Speaker 1>who was the backup. Remember he was going to be

0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the starter. He has entered the transfer portal. So in

0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.200
<v Speaker 1>college football, you never know what you're gonna get. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you talk about Pat Forty, I remember asking him

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<v Speaker 1>specifically about the two quarterback that and he did say,

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<v Speaker 1>though he made that great point with Harbaugh that you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's just getting the guy raps for the transpportal,

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<v Speaker 1>which just tells me that this t is also fighting

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<v Speaker 1>hard for Harrible. And then the run game, which did

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<v Speaker 1>not get going right away. I mean Donovan Nevers finished

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>with two sixteen yards or something like that with two TV.

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.159
<v Speaker 1>It was just a beating. It was an old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>butt kicking. And I'm excited to see I mean Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they should have no problems when the next

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<v Speaker 1>week and uh, it's gonna be a poor Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>They we've gotta exp're spending, right. This is a good

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<v Speaker 1>lesson for expanding because it really is just one bad

0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.240
<v Speaker 1>week and they're on the outside looking in and probably

0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.000
<v Speaker 1>will stay that way. Right, And I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about that in my Unleashed because don't say poor

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State. They laid an egg. This is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the college football playoffs, so far as we

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<v Speaker 1>go into conference championship week, Georgia one, Michigan too, although

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people who make a good

0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.200
<v Speaker 1>argument Michigan should be one, TCU three USC four, So

0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.560
<v Speaker 1>unless we have a major upset on Saturday, those are set.

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<v Speaker 1>Seating might change a little bit. But um yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>worried the playoff committee may screw this whole thing up

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<v Speaker 1>because the only playoff implications are really the Pac twelve

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<v Speaker 1>in Big twelve games. So it's interesting. Can I go

0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.560
<v Speaker 1>ahead and get right to my unleashed because I can't

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.840
<v Speaker 1>hold back any longer. I feel like you're warmed up

0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and ready to go. Let's do it. It's college football.

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<v Speaker 1>Teams playing in their conference championship game should not be

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<v Speaker 1>penalized for a poor performance or even a slight loss

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in an extra game that other teams don't have to play.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a twelve game regular season. This is the week

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth game. And you're telling me if Georgia went twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and oh, if Michigan went twelve and oh and loses

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<v Speaker 1>in this game that some other teams aren't having to play,

0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.240
<v Speaker 1>that someone else can get jumped. So those two teams,

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.800
<v Speaker 1>they're safe, they're fine. It's USC and TCU who could

0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 1>grew everything up here and let teams who didn't play

0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>in this weekend slate sneak into the College Football Playoff, rested, recovered, healthy, right,

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 1>everything about it? So, Jerry, this is the ninth college

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 1>football playoff, right, and historically three times we have seen

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 1>an eleven and one team get in the playoff without

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.880
<v Speaker 1>playing in their conference championship. I think that's crazy. Most recently,

0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.520
<v Speaker 1>a great example was when Alabama got in because number

0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.360
<v Speaker 1>four undefeated Wisconsin lost in the Big Ten championship game

0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and Alabama was able to sneak in there and Wisconsin

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.080
<v Speaker 1>then just had the one loss in Week thirteen. So

0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the other two contenders for this year's scenario, as we

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about Ohio State in Alabama, they don't play this weekend.

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State and Alabama, by not winning their division, gets

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a bye. And it's it's not right that they still

0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 1>have a path. Like I said, we've seen it happen

0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.560
<v Speaker 1>before three times, and Alabama has two losses. I don't

0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.760
<v Speaker 1>think you should be punished for having to climb that hurdle.

0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.919
<v Speaker 1>So I think this weekend should only count for seeding.

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<v Speaker 1>If you g A loses, they're still in. If they

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.040
<v Speaker 1>lose close and Michigan does really, really well, they could switch.

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.199
<v Speaker 1>I could see Michigan go into one. I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mentioned real quick as a tangent, people making

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the argument Michigan should be one Georgia should be too

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 1>right now is because Michigan's best win, which is over

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, is better than you as best win over Tennessee.

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Michigan's second best win is over Penn State, and people

0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.399
<v Speaker 1>think that's much better than Georgia's best win over Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>So see Jerry, This this stuff is confusing, and it

0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 1>does come down because people say they passed the eye test.

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.439
<v Speaker 1>If they really can't think of a reason why they

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.399
<v Speaker 1>want a team in the playoff, they'll just pull up

0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>some of that bullshit. So I don't want USC to lose,

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>TCU to lose and Alabama or Ohio State get in

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>because they didn't play a game this weekends. And I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing, I'm okay with Utah beating out us See

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 1>for a spot because it is a rematch and Utah

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 1>had already won it, so I can say that the

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Pact twelve championship, that can be like a play in game.

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 1>But again, all this stuff is very confusing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't think another conferences lost in their championship game

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.240
<v Speaker 1>should let a team from another conference slip in. That's

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.399
<v Speaker 1>a great only I felt, I'm gonna go on the

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<v Speaker 1>record and say, and you've had a lot of bangers

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.760
<v Speaker 1>for your unlease, I'm gonna go on record and say

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>that one do the breakout for that, I think we

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.399
<v Speaker 1>have to bring. I think we have to do the

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Instagram to where their breakout for that. On least, because

0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I felt you there, I think you're right and I

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>did college that they're just trying to figure out the

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 1>way that they're limping to the expanded playoff, I think

0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 1>is what's happening. But I'm with you, I am a

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very very strange. Well, let me just

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.600
<v Speaker 1>ask you this before I do my On least, who

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 1>do you think Georgia would like to avoid? Say they

0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 1>stick with the number one seed, which is more than likely,

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:57.879
<v Speaker 1>who do you think they want to avoid for that?

0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>For see, who do you not want to see rolling

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.680
<v Speaker 1>in it? Well, look usc top to bottom. They're not

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the strongest team. But Caleb Williams is a bona fide star.

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>He's the clear cut favorite for Heisman. He can pull

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.919
<v Speaker 1>off amazing things. He's a jaw dropping quarterback. So I

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 1>just don't trust going against it. And here I'm speaking

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.920
<v Speaker 1>as a Georgia fanal of bias too, but I think

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>that's probably who you g A doesn't want to face.

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:28.439
<v Speaker 1>TCU doesn't scare me so much, but USC and Caleb

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Williams would be a handful for any team, even the

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>nation's leading defense. Well listen, my on least is not

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>nearly going to be as passionate as yours and filled

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 1>with logic and things that actually track. But that being said,

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, at this point, I'm all about circumventing the expected.

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's try to rid ourselves of some of the traditions.

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I get it, some of them we like to hold onto.

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>And this is counterintuitive to the game we watched on Thanksgiving,

0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.080
<v Speaker 1>because the Lions were very, very entertaining on Thanksgiving. That

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>was a great game versus Builds, arguably the best game

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>of the slate. That being said, can we get off

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the Lions and the Cowboys always playing on Thanksgiving? I

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.440
<v Speaker 1>get that, I get the tradition. I love it. It's

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 1>been long enough. Maybe can we have one of them

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>play and they alternate every year on Thanksgiving? Because I

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed Pat's vikings. It was really nice to see

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.640
<v Speaker 1>just that kind of matchup. So maybe we have either

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Dallas or Detroit play and for that year, and then

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>the other two games are filled with just teams we've

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 1>never really seen on Thanksgiving before, and then next year

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>it will be Detroit's turn. Do we really have to

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>have both the Cowboys and the Lions every year on Thanksgiving?

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>So half break tradition, Give me one, and now listen

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to this. This is the one that you're gonna roll

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>your eyes out. I get the three game. Maybe we

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>dropped the two because it is hard to watch three

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>games on Thanksgiving, So maybe we dropped down the two

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.679
<v Speaker 1>games on Thanksgiving, and then may maybe we put the

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>third game on Friday boom a day. We're all all

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>just sitting around recovering, and we're all just like, oh,

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>why do we eat so much? Why do we drink

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>so much? I'm so tired, I don't want to move.

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>What better thing to do than to have like a

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 1>nice one pm or four pm game imagine that Bill's

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Pats game was just four pm the next day. You'd

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.639
<v Speaker 1>be psyched on Friday. I'll tell you why, because college

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.959
<v Speaker 1>football kind of owns that Friday. They could have Saturday.

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>They own Saturday. No, that's a that's a big day

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in college football. I guess that's my colleague. Well, the

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>main unleashed part was get rid of one of the

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Lions or the Cowboys and have them. They could just

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>alternate every year. You guys don't get to own Thanksgiving forever.

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It's not cheap shot at Lions fans. You guys have

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>stunk for a hundred years, and this year you're very

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 1>fun to watch. I don't understand. While you deserve to

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>be on thanksgive you've done nothing to deserve to play

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>on Thanksgiving every year. I disagree purely for the sake

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of tradition. I'm a sucker for tradition. I don't even

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>know why those two teams play on Thanksgiving? Do you

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>know exactly? I know more? Right, I know more about

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>college football than I do about why those teams play

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>on Thanksgiving. Oh my gosh. Well, you know who knows

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot more than the two of us is our

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>guest Jeff Perlman. Let's go ahead and bring him in.

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>From the eight six Mets to the nineties Cowboys, and

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>from Walter Payton to Barry Bonds. He's the author of

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>some of the best sports books ever written. We can

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>both attest to that. His latest is called The Last Folk.

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>He wrote the life and myth of Bo Jackson. It's

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the best seller, and he is going to have so

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>many good stories for us today. Let's bring in Jeff Command. Okay, Jeff,

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>this book is another incredible read. I'm so glad you

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>sent me a copy. I've started it over Thanksgiving break.

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>As always, you go into such great detail about the man,

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 1>not just the athlete. You talk to their family, their ends, everyone.

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>So when you're writing these books, does it feel like

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 1>you're almost thinking like them, living with them? Does it

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>feel like you almost take them on? I wrote a

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>book years ago about Walter Payton. It was called Sweetness,

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And there was this moment one night I took a run.

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I've told my kids about this. It was so weird.

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I was taking a run. I was living in New

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Roshell in New York. I was running and I felt

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 1>like Walter Payton was running next to me. I was

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>deep in it all, and I just like, I almost

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>feel like having some delusional conversation with Walter Payton. It's

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>so weird and it sounds like I was on drugs

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and I really wasn't. And you actually get to that

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>point when you research and research and research and all

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you do it's not a healthy way to live. Like

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>all you do is think about one person all the time, nonstopping.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>My wife is like I don't want to hear any

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>more about bow Jackson, and my kids like I don't

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>want to hear any more about bo Jackson. But all

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to do is talk about Bo Jackson. So yeah,

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it's very immersive and very weird. The title is a

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>great one. Is the title something that you work off

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of from the beginning, like in your mind you kind

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 1>of know, or is it you have to do all

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>the research, start putting the words on paper. The last

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>folk hero I mean that is that that's the first

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 1>person I really could think of as bo Jackson. Oh well,

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. It actually wasn't. Um. What happened is

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a really great writer named Joe Poznanzi who's doing

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot about baseball through the years. And at some

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.479
<v Speaker 1>point he referred to Bo Jackson something he wrote as

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the last folk hero, and he was actually referring to

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the the famous sort of Bo Jackson throwing out Harold

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Reynolds at Home Plate in Seattle. And if you watch,

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>which is great, and if you watch a replay, and

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 1>you probably would't even be aware of this unless you

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>watch it, we never actually see Bow release the ball

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.199
<v Speaker 1>like um because it was shot with one camera, so

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the camera goes to Harold Reynolds drowning. Third. You never

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>see Bow release the ball. And Joe is writing about

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>how with Bo, so much of what he did and

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>so many of his feats we don't actually have literal

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>documentation of, and even this famous play, we don't see

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it all. And he said, he really is the last

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>folk hero because nowadays even someone like show Hey Otani.

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Way before he came to the Angels, we had video

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>of him in Japan, even though we're miles and miles

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>away of doing things. And with Bow he ran a

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:03.959
<v Speaker 1>four one three forty at Auburn, we don't see it.

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>He ran a four one seven on grass with the

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Raiders in Camp, we don't see it. All these plays

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>he did, these things he did in high school. He

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>went back to back state to Catholan championships at Alabama.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>We don't have any video of it, so a lot

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>of it really feels like folklore when it comes to him. Yeah,

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean the size and speed he's it's like he's

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>built in a lab. He's faster than Tyree Kill, like

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, and he's thirty pounds bigger. So when there's

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>so much to marvel at in both football and baseball,

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>was their story that did come up that you found

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 1>out not to be too? That was a myth. Yeah,

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's kind of funny. He wrote an autobiography in

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>called Bow Knows Bow, and he did it with Dick Schapp.

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>It was a book I loved when I was younger. Right,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It was like a definitive sports biography for sure. It

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>went to number two on the New York Times list.

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.719
<v Speaker 1>It was like a big seller. And I was pitching

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>this book my book two different publishing houses. I talked

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>about this thing, but wrote about in his book, which

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>is at at Auburn. He went over his first twenty

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>one in baseball with twenty one strikeout, So over twenty

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>one and he struck out all twenty one times, and

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I kept saying everyone, his recovery from that is just amazing.

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 1>It's it's amazing, it's it's amazing. And I would interview

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>people from Auburn baseball from back then and they'd say, yeah,

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>over twenty one. Over twenty one's crazy over strikeouts. But

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>then I started digging through the old like Auburn wonderful

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>sports information department sent me all the box scores first

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>game Illinois State two for five. Whit wait what I mean?

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>So they're also like in the same book he wrote

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>about his first ever college football run. It was a

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>game against wake Forest is freshman year, and in his

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 1>book he plowed into the line for no game. Well,

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>no game. Why watch a video of that game and

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>his first run is a handoff up the gut for

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>nine yards. So I'm not saying he's lying in any way,

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>shape or form, But I do think memory is a

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>tricky thing and one of the important things about biography

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and me hopefully biographers as you go back and you

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>confirm and you reconfirm, and you check and you check

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and you find out that things that you thought were

0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>actually art, it's fascinating. Yeah, that's something I've spent hours

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube watching just Bo Jackson throwing people out because

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>he would throw the ball and the ball would actually

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>still be picking up speed as it would enter either

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the first basin or the third basin of the catcher's glove,

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>which I always thought was insane and something. I think

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that adds to his legend. And I'm pretty obsessed with

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>this and I'm trying to work on stuff. I don't

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>think we'll we'll probably and they we'll never see a

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>dual athlete again, right, fair to say, or at least

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>baseball football. I know Dion did it, and he was

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>healthier than Bo Jackson, so that certainly helped him. But yeah,

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I just think if you're an amazing football player,

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go play football. And we've seen people toy

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>with the notion of like Russell Wilson, I got drafted

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>fifth round. I don't think we ever see that again.

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a bummer. I've written about guys, you know,

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>wrote about a breath Fire biography, wrote wrote a Walter

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Payton biography, wrote a bo biography. I don't know, Dwight

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Gooden and Darryk Strawberry growing up in the match. Always

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 1>different guys, and what they all sort of shared from

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>their boyhoods is they went out in yards and beat

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the crap out of each other, and they play tackle

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>football with their buddies. They were leaping over ditches and

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>climbing over fences and finding making up games in the yard,

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>finding rocks and throwing them and finding stick all that stuff.

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And nowadays out here in southern California, it's ridiculous. Like

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.719
<v Speaker 1>some kid is seven years old and even shows slight

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>talent pitching. Well, the next thing you know, there's some

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>guy who used to pitch for Trip Away Wallah Walla,

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's he's a pitching coach. Now we need to

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>get them with that. And but Mom, I want to

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>play basketball. No, no, no, we're gonna have you because

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>those two other kids up the block, they're already in

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this program that's amazing and it helps develop pictures, and

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, we've wiped out, just wiped out

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>generations of should have been multi sport athletes. And what

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I think we've done along with that is really killed

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>much of the joy of childhood, which is playing killed

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the carrier in new yard, which is playing pickup hoops,

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>which is playing multiple sports. So they'll probably be other

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>ones who come along, but few and far in between.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>That's a really good point, especially all his parents. I

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's important to remember. My husband always tells us

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>story his neighborhood players. They played his game called Sam

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>at the goal line and he just had to stand

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>there and just get tackled. Why do you think both

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>first picked baseball? Oh? What's It's actually a good story.

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>So he um Bow was drafted. So Bo was playing

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>baseball football at Auburn and he was very good at both.

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But you know, he was a Heisman Trophy winner in football,

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and he was gonna make a lot more money in football.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>And it says it's a senior year at Auburn. He

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>has already won the Heisman trophies playing baseball, and the

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay Buccaneers are coming off of a two and

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>fourteen season. They suck. They're going to have the number

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>one pick in the draft. The owner of the Buccaneers,

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Ukulver House, sends his private plane to Auburn to pick

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Bow up the morning of the Auburn baseball game, flying

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>him to Tampa Bay for a physical and then flying

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>back for the game, and back in the day in

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the SEC, you couldnt be pro in one sport amateur

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and another in any way, shape or form. So Auburn

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>is playing Alabama Birmingham that night at Auburn, the coaches

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>hal Barrett and he's like, where's bow And another is like, yeah,

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>he flew to Tampa. And I was like, he did

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>what to Tampa? On the Bucks plane, He's like, please

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>tell me your kid, and please tell me your kidding.

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't kidding. He actually lost his eligibility from that flight.

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>The funny follow up is the Buccaneer. He swears off

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the Buccaneers. At that point He's basically like, f the Buccaneers,

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm never playing for this team. Blah blah blah. The

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Buccaneers get the number one pick, they draft bo anyway,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the owners convince he's gonna be able to sign. One

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:25.959
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite moments in the book and favorite moments

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>of reporting ever, is um Both flies to Tampa to

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>meet with the Buccaneers after the draft because his agents

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>say you should. Steve Young is a quarterback for the

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Bucks and the owner of the Buccaneers, Ukulver House, says

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to Steve Young, let's come with me. I want to

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>take Bow out for a state dinner. Help me woo

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>bo Jackson. So, Steve Young, it's your culver House, it's

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>bo Jackson. Uculver House excuses himself in the table and

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>bo Jackson leans in the Steve Young and he goes

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Steve to see you know, there's no fan way I

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>ever signed with this team, and Steve Young all right, man,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 1>my work just done. That's just heat. So he was

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>The Buccaneers really forced his hand and made him say,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to hell with you. I'm not playing for you. I

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>told you I wouldn't play with you. And then the

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Royals came along and made him a really good offer. Yeah,

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>And on paper, though with the Raiders, it certainly seemed

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>like it was the perfect fit. Right. My first members

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>of bo Jackson are honestly tech Bobawl like so many

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>other kids my age. It wasn't always the perfect fit though,

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>organizationally for him, right, because it was a little hazy

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>for me being a kid watching. But I just always

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>remember they were talking about Bow and the Raiders not

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 1>necessarily being a match made in heaven. Well, the issue

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>was they already had. Marcus Allen was also a Heisman

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Trophy winning half back and really good. It's funny Marcus

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Allen was much more beloved as a Raider than Bo Jackson.

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 1>The players on the Raiders loved Marcus Allen, loved everything

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about him, and when Bo came along, Marcus Allen actually

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>shifted to fullback and did it willingly. And if you

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>watch that Monday Night game where Bogo is crazy, all

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>those blocks are set up by Marcus Allen. So it

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't an ideal fit as far as sort of two

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>half backs be lined together. But Marcus Allen was such

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>a freaking consummate professional that he made it work. And

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the funny thing also is, since we're here, since Olivia,

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>you have the Packer ties. The Green Bay Packers draft

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Tony Manderts number two overall, and that's like the draft

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>where the only guy you didn't want to draft Tony Manners.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That's that's Dion Sanders, Troy Aikman, you know, Barry Sanders,

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. Packers take Tony Manderts number two. He

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.839
<v Speaker 1>holds out because he doesn't want to play in Green Bay,

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and Al Davis calls the Packers and offers Bo Jackson

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>for the rights of Tony Mandricks and the Packers turn

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>them down and Bo Jackson stays with the Raiders. That

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been a good deal for the Green Bay Packers.

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>He would have Bretton Olivia. That's gotta hurt. That's got hurt.

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. In nine, I think that was my grandpa's

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>first year with the Packers. So I wonder if he

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>was in that draft room. I'm hoping not, but we're

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna say he wasn't. I think my research wasn't. There

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>was out getting a burger the whole time. Okay, I'm

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>curious with Bo. Do you think there was a good

0:36:58.000 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>fit for him in the NFL? Maybe if he could

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>have played for one city like Dion Sanders in Atlanta.

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he was made for a small market. He

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a guy going out, he wasn't a guy partying.

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.879
<v Speaker 1>He was married to that point, had kids that kind

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of sewed his oats at Auburn. I actually think a

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>market like Atlanta would have been great for him. A

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>southern market playing in front of sort of yet a

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>big family, playing in front of relatives. Kansas City and

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>baseball was a great market for him. Kansasy's like the

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>perfect city. For a guy like that size wise, so

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Chiefs just small to mid major. He was

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>not a big city guy, Adam. He was drafted out

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of high school in the second round by the New

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 1>York Yankees. And it's actually funny. The Yankees draft him

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>super high. We're really into him, thought he was gonna

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 1>be a mega star. The scout was a guy named

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Gus Pelouse. He goes to knock on his door and

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Bo Jackson won't to answer the door. He calls Bo

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Jackson won't pick up the phone. They call Bo Jackson's

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>high school coats and say, um, we want to fly

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you and Bow to New York for Yankees Red Sox.

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 1>We just want to fly you there to show you

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 1>what we have to offer. Bo's high school coats goes

0:37:58.160 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 1>to Bone. He's like, Yankees, Red Sox, we can go.

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>You didn't want to do it. Was terrified of New York,

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>had no interest in New York. Didn't even know the

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yankees and Red tie more rivalry Green Bay. Weirdly, I

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know about the cold, but market wise would have

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>been a gray market for Bo Jackson. The other thing

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that always stood out to me with Bow as a kid,

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned tech Mobile, but then you know, and me

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>being like a sneaker head and all those campaigns that

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Nike started doing when they really started picking up steam.

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I always think somehow, too, we always still hear boos

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. It's somehow we almost feel like

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we talked about it enough for like what that campaign

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't what that shoe was it was if you remember

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>back then, it was either like Jordan's, which were super

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>high and clunky, and that's really it. I mean, I

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>also loved like the Michael chang Reebok pumps. Outside of that,

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing, And I just feel like you never

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>really got enough credit for. However, the I don't know

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>what he had to do with the actual impetus of hey,

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I want a cross trainer, but that campaign and that

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>shoe I think is part of what we see a

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>lot today. Still. Oh yeah, it's one of the biggest.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.280
<v Speaker 1>The whole bow Nose campaign is one of the biggest

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>ad campagne of all time. One of the greatest moments

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in marketing in sports crossover history is um So Bow

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>made his only Major League off Star game and he

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>was starting and Tony LaRusso was a manager for the

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>American League. He had both lead off just for the moment,

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was in Anaheim. Beautiful day, picture perfect day.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 1>This is when people watch the All Star Game like

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and mass like it was a national viewing audience. In

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the booth Vince Scully and Ronald Reagan. Bo Jackson leads

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>off second pitch of the game. He hits a dead

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 1>homer straight to center. Feel beautiful trotting around the bases,

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>looks like a god. That same game, in the fourth inning,

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Nike made this major ad by to premiere the Bow.

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't know Didley ad with Bo Diddley and all

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the other and so they were all the Nike executives

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>had met up at Mickey Mantle's restaurant in Manhattan to

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>watch the game because this game at everything to Nike.

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 1>This was the big unveiling of this ad campaign. Bow

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 1>hits a home run and in Mickey Mantle's restaurant, all

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>these Nike ad execs are going crazy. They're jumping up

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and down, they're hugging, they're screaming. All the other pagents

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>are sure like what, well, I don't know what that

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 1>was going on here, but it was a great moment

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of synergy. Sports marketing, everything coming together and that campaigns

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>is skyrocket. And the funny thing also interestingly of it,

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Bo was not very charismatic. Bow had a severe stutter.

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And if you watch those ads he's in that ed,

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.720
<v Speaker 1>he says nothing. In all the ads together, he probably

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>says six words total. It's not about what he said,

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's about what he symbolized. The craziest thing to me

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 1>with Bo Jackson now is that he just disappeared. He's

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a grandpa in suburban Chicago. I know you spoke with him,

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't want to be interviewed for the book.

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think he's so private? What do you

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>know of his life now or his thoughts on the

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>book or on his career. So the thing I love

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:47.959
<v Speaker 1>about him, and in a way the thing that worked

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 1>for this book, like if he were like now, like

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>doing color commentating raider games, there'd be much less mystique

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to him. Right if he was out all the time, Hey,

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm Bo Jackson. If he was always commenting on I'm

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>better than Derren Kenry or I'm better than Mike Trout, like,

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it would kind of ruin the illusion of it all.

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And the beauty is really the illusion that he was here.

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>He was this prominent guy. Poof he gets hurt and

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 1>he kind of vanishes, and that's sort of the appeal

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 1>of it all. He lives in Burridge, Illinois. He owns

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.879
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of companies, shovels his own driveway. He's been

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>married for almost forty years. He's three kids. He recently

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.399
<v Speaker 1>had a grandson. He does autograph signings every now and then.

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>He's super, super insanely guarded. I spoke to him at

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of this project for about thirty minutes on

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the phone. He was lovely. He said, Um, I get

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>asked to do things all the time. I'm not I'm

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>not gonna help you. I don't have a problem with

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you writing the book, but I'm just I'm like, he

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't want a big neon sign over his head,

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm Bo Jackson. It's like kind of respect to

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you. I never take any offense, and

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I kind of respect the dignity of it. But have

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you talked with him since it came out? No, this

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>is why I've been told. I haven't ready talked about this.

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 1>The book comes out and there is a part when

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>he was in college at Auburn when he was kind

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of engaged, sort of kinded to two women at the

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>same time, and whatever, you're three years old. I'm just saying, like,

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>we do, we do. People do do stupid things. When

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 1>you're twenty three years old, when you're writing a whole

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>biography of someone's life, you do have to at least

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of and you find out these kind of things

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>you got to write about it. It's not sles, it's

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the thing. But I was told his wife wasn't

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>crazy about that, So yeah, what's I get? I actually

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>do get like I of course, so he tweeted out

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>something like, if a biography is unauthorized, blah blah blah

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>blah blah, you need to get it from the real source.

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed people for this book, bo Jackson, that book

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Boe knows bow he um he wrote to a dick Shop,

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>which means Dick Shap wrote it. Any interviewed bow a

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>million times for Dick Shap donated all his notes, everything,

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>all the audio recordings to the Auburn University Library. Someone

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 1>made me aware of that. So when I basically had

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>five d pages have typed out bo Jackson interviews most

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>of which have never been used before from when bow

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 1>is interviewed by Dick snap In. So I busted my

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 1>ass on this. Yeah, and I want to talk about

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>some of your su because oliving. Jeff and I have

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>talked over the years, because I've been a fan of

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 1>his work forever. I've always been saying, this book's a movie,

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.799
<v Speaker 1>this books a show, this books the movie, this book show.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>It just was such a no brainer to me and

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to and to you too, I think, Jeff, but it

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>really when I heard about Showtime, I'll tell you, like,

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I went through my head was amazing

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 1>book to make into a show. I cannot wait to

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>see how they executed it. And I always wondered, like,

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>can you actually cast Magic Johnson? Can you cast Kareem?

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Can you? And I was just as an actor too,

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious, like I just want to see how

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>that goes. And what a delight because everyone in that show.

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I never for one second bumped on the fact of like, ah,

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that's not magic. I just was in. It sucked me in.

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought the performances were great. And what makes me

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>most happy now is I want this to be a

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>run on. Jeff Pearlman books, because I always said, eighty

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>six mets that's to me, the greatest sports story that

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>we have not seen really on screen. That always been

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Yankee fan saying, no, I know, Olivia, you

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>probably have some gun slinger stuff. So yeah, what was

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that feeling like seeing one of your books be really

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>be put on the big, small, big screen because it's HBO. Wait,

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>so I know, like I mean serious, like I know

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>this is like kind of old hat for you to

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a certain degree, Like you've been through it, You've been

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>through TV, You've been on different shows. I've been very successful.

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like for me personally, there was a moment.

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I really mean this, Like, first of all, people option

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>your stuff and you never think anything's gonna come of it.

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.359
<v Speaker 1>And someone will give you a little money and they'll say, oh,

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I know someone who knows someone. You know how it is.

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>It's always like nonsense. And I had that happen a lot.

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>So when this happened, there was a huge moment for me.

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>And they had this premiere party in l A and

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>my wife was out of town. I took my two

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 1>kids or both teenagers, and there was this moment my

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>son at the time, I think was fourteen and my

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 1>daughter was seventeen, and um, they had a they had

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a cigar bar. They had a rolling your cigar bar.

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>My seventeen year old daughter goes, we should smoke a cigar.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>We're totally smoking. And it was me, my seventeen year

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>old daughter, my fourteen year old son, the actor Mike

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Checklist and his family and we're we're smoking cigars. I

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.359
<v Speaker 1>don't even smoke cigars, and certainly my kids don't smoke

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>cigars at least not that I know of. And we're

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 1>having this moment and it's on a show based on

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 1>a book I wrote. It was just one of the

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 1>greatest moments of my life. It really was one of

0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 1>the most rewarding emotional moments of my life. And that

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like, my parents don't care about sports at all,

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>my parents, but they see this and like you could

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>see the pride in them. I know it sounds corny,

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's really true, like the pride that they have

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.919
<v Speaker 1>and it means something to them. And even just people

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you went to high school with, their college with, who

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh my god, oh my god. It's cool

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that it brings some light to people, especially during the pandemic,

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.440
<v Speaker 1>during that rough spell, it just really brought something to

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>people into me. So it was it was freaking amazing.

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 1>It was great, And I think it's gonna be more

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>of that because now the seal is broken. We've all

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>seen you can cast magic, you can't cast you can

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>cast Therrel Strawberry, you can cast Dwight good In. Uh,

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. I I think I just have always been

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a fan, So I'm excited to see. I don't know

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>if you have a preference of if you could pick

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 1>any one of your books to be made next. I

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you have a preference. But it's funny

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the one book that has never been optioned, so different

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.360
<v Speaker 1>books get option that's not a bragging point, like that

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>just happened. You write books, and people option books. The

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>one book that's never been optioned is my Walter Payton

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>book Sweetness. And I just consider his life to be

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>so dramatic and obviously coming from rural, rural Mississippi, becoming

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the superstar megastar in Chicago and then really falling into

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 1>this post career depression and then having this kind of

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>curates his battle at the end of his life with

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>bioduct cancer. It just feels really narrative to me, but

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 1>nobody has shown any interest that would be the one though. Actually,

0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.879
<v Speaker 1>in a weird way, I love that speaking of rural Mississippi.

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>What drew you to Bret fire story? Because Gunslinger has

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>been one of my favorite books before you and I

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 1>ever discussed that. Yeah, it's actually funny. I don't want

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to write a five book. Here's what happened. I Uh,

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.800
<v Speaker 1>my dream book was a book about the USFL, the

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>old United States Football League from the nineteen eighties, and

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get a deal. Ever, I could not get

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a deal for the USFL book. Nobody. My agent, who's great,

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 1>literally said to me Jeff, because I kept bringing it up,

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>He's like, nobody wants an f the usf AL book.

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I know I can get a deal.

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I know I can get a deal. So publishing company

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Holt Mifflin I pitched Fire because I thought he is iconic,

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>he's a really interesting story, etcetera, etcetera. But I said,

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it, but I want to be able to

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>do this USFL book. So I took a little less

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.959
<v Speaker 1>money for five and they let me write this USFL book,

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and the USFL book made the New York Times list,

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 1>which was like a real vindictive moment for me, nothing

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>various moment for me. Far was fascinating. Five ended up

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>being one of the most interesting books I've ever worked on.

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 1>And one of the weirdest moments in my career period

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>is um I d mned his his sister Brandy on

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Facebook before I went to Mississippi, and I said, Hey,

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>my name is Jeff Berrema, working a book. And this

0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is before Brett even said anything to me. And I

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm working on this book. I'm gonna be

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi's or anyway you want to get coffee. And

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>she said, well, DM me when you come down. Well,

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I go to Mississippi, I mean the Kill, Mississippi where

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 1>breats from and um I d m her and She's like, well,

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>my mom and I are at the house. Why don't

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you just come by the house? Now Brett Farve has

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.320
<v Speaker 1>not agreed to talk to me, right, But I'm like okay,

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and I uh. I go to the house. It's Brett's

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.440
<v Speaker 1>childhood home on like Farv Lane in Mississippi Kill, Mississippi,

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sitting there with his mom, Banita, who's lovely,

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 1>his sister Brandy lovely, and and we're talking and at

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 1>one point his mom says, so, has is Brett talking

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to you for the book? And to me, this is

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like this is the kiss of death. This is the

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 1>moment where they're like, oh, well, I go no, I

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's going to hern he hasn't agreed

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to yet, and she goes all right, and she literally

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 1>sent me home with his scrap books. She sent me

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>home New York with scrap books which I borrowed photocophy

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 1>sent back. It was unbelievable ball and I remember this.

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I was driving away from their house and I called

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 1>my wife, Katherine, and I'm like, I just had a

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>great experience with Brett Farre's mom and sister and she's like,

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Brett hasn't agreed to talk to you. And I was like, yeah,

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>but they're really cool. They don't mind. And she's like,

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 1>don't you think that's a little weird? And I was

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.359
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, and she's like, it's really weird.

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.120
<v Speaker 1>And then later on I was like, oh, that is

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:24.879
<v Speaker 1>really weird. She's like, imagine if someone's doing a book

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.879
<v Speaker 1>on you. You didn't want him to, and your mom

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and dad just decided to talk anyway. But it worked out.

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was great. You know what this is

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>like fast forward to now, this is what it's like

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to have your parents on Twitter. People ask the stuff

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>all I think my mom tweeted Elon Musk the other

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>day something. I know. It's just like, well, that's like

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.879
<v Speaker 1>when your parents are on to that's the modern day version.

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Mama far with the scrap books. That's as well. I've

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>got to ask, since not everyone's read the book, what

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 1>is your favorite story? And obviously the narrative on Brett

0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Farve has changed since you wrote the book, but what

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>is your favorite Brett story from that book? Well, what

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I really love is, um, this isn't a story about

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of a whole thing. Is when he was playing

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.959
<v Speaker 1>in high school in Mississippi, his dad, IRV, was a coach,

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and Um, they had a halfback named Charles Burton who

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>was really good, but he was just your prototypical high

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.880
<v Speaker 1>school halfback. He was like five nine, probably a buck sixty.

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And here's your dad fire and he's dedicated to the run.

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna run the ball, We're gonna run the ball.

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>You literally have one of the ten greatest quarterbacks in

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>NFL future quarterbacks in NFL history on your team. And

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>he threw the ball six times a game. Times of

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>games he would not throw and every now and then

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Brett would disobey and launched some eighty yard and it

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 1>would be this magnificent moment. In the stands would go crazy,

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and his dad would be furious at him, absolutely furious

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>at him for disobeying his orders that we're going to

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 1>run and gain four yards. And I just found the

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>dynamic between Brett and IRV, this old school, hardcore, disciplined

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do this coach and Brett, this wild stallion

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>who just wanted to launch the ball quarterback, and that,

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's why you wound up Southern miss because

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>nobody knew about him. Literally nobody knew about Brett fire

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>He was didn't exist in a college football landscape. Are

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you keeping up with what he's going through right now?

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 1>And what are your thoughts on it now that you're

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty close to his story. I'll be totally honest about it.

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm horrified and disgusted. I mean, Brett Farve, you're from Mississippi, right,

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>you're from Mississippi. It is a dirt poor state. That's

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not me projecting it. It's factually a dirt poor state.

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>As a poor state in America, there is money that

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 1>is designated for welfare recipients. That is money that's needed

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>by people. That's not some some pork government pork to

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 1>have that money diverted and to be involved in some

0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of scheme where it's diverted to pay for a

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 1>volleyball arena at your alma mater because your daughter plays

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>volleyball there. If that's true, which it appears to be,

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't just hurt my heart as a guy who

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>wrote that biography. It just discussed me as a human being.

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:02.480
<v Speaker 1>So not a huge fan of that one. And kind

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of on a lighter note, I know you're also not

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a huge fan of the current Packer quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 1>In fact, i've heard you compare mc Kanye West. I've

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 1>got to note what is your experience like with Aaron

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Rodgers and what kind of gets your goat about him?

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, I don't know. I don't hate Aaron Rodgers like.

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a great quarterback and guy. So when

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I were I'll tell you when this is not the

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>personal reason. But when I was working on a five book,

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I actually I knew he was playing at a golf

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 1>tournament and I met him off the greens at a

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 1>golf tournament and I was like, hey, I introduced my

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.440
<v Speaker 1>He literally goes, because, yeah, I know who you are.

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I don't think you know who

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I know who you are. I was like,

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm working on this fire biography. He goes, oh, yeah,

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.919
<v Speaker 1>I'll definitely talk call my agent, reach out to my agent,

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and we'll set up a time. I called his agent repeatedly,

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 1>got blown off repeatedly. Then the book comes out and

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a moment in the book when Aaron Rodgers first

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 1>met Brett five. They were in the Packers like cafeteria

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the first time a camp together, and Rogers says to him, hey, grandpa,

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and it really rubbed far of the wrong way. And

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I got that story verified and verified and verified and verified,

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>and Rogers denied it, but I know it happened. And

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I just find that kind of stuff annoying. So honestly, God,

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I have no animals store him. I think he's a

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 1>great quarterback. I don't think he's a bad guy. I

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:17.359
<v Speaker 1>don't see any reason he's a bad guy. That kind

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:18.799
<v Speaker 1>of stuff annoys that out of me as a as

0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 1>a writer, for sure. And think of just in your

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>daily life. You grab coffee with someone and you're telling

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:25.759
<v Speaker 1>him a story that happened a couple of years ago,

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and someone else says, no, that didn't happen. How frustrating

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>in your profession that you have to deal with that

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:34.479
<v Speaker 1>I had. I'll tell you something I had. I won't

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 1>name names, but people can look it up. Regarding that book,

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the five Book, there was a wide receiver who I

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 1>had in the book saying something and he cursed. He

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 1>cursed in the quote okay this is you can look

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>this up because it's google b and I had it

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>happened an he curse. This guy goes on Twitter and

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.360
<v Speaker 1>called me a liar and said, anyone who knows me

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 1>knows I never curse. Blah blah blah blah blah blah

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. I get a he am from another packer.

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't even make this up. I get dam from

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 1>another packer who says, hey, call me. A very well

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.560
<v Speaker 1>known packer. I call him and he's like I just

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.919
<v Speaker 1>want you to know, Blank, the guy is totally full

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of crap. Everyone knows full of crap. He's always been

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 1>full of crap. Don't believe him. Don't get bent out

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.239
<v Speaker 1>of shape over this. So these are the journeys you

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 1>take in this wacky world of sports biography. Oh my gosh,

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and we going to be the recipients of all this

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>nonsense and we love it. I'm having weird feelings because

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>that sounds like my conversation with my wife where I'm like, wait,

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't you say I did not say that? Like, wait

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a minute, I was sitting right there when you said it. No,

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't. You're misremembering. She accuses me of misremembering. Are

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we married to the name? Person? We might be? Might be?

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Might be? Oh, thanks for letting me go further into

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that story. I just I know I wanted to hear

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on that. What's the word about season two? Showtime?

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Do we know? Do we have a date? Is it's happened?

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you? I don't. Well, I could have played.

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I tried to figure it out. I don't think I

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 1>would have fit. So I'm I'm not mad at you

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.320
<v Speaker 1>for not for me not being on showtime and it

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 1>was cast amazing, So I'm just ready for season two.

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 1>All I just want to say, episode six, season two,

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I play a reporter briefly, and I filmed it two

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, is what I want to say to you,

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Jerry in particularly, I was there for eight hours, maybe nine.

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 1>They shot the same scene a hundred times. Right. I

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>got home that night, I had a wig glued to

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 1>my head, okay, and sideburns glued to my face. I

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.919
<v Speaker 1>was taking a shower the next morning and my head

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>is just like a tomato because I had an allergic

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 1>reaction to the glue they used to would hear it.

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.399
<v Speaker 1>So I actually had to rush to Urgent Care because

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>everything was swelling on my waist. And I don't know,

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.800
<v Speaker 1>like I mean serious, wait, serious question for you. I

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.320
<v Speaker 1>know it isn't my show at your show, but like

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 1>average number of takes per scene in your life would

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 1>be what you did a TV show, So I will

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>say TV typically they would You could say they do

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.959
<v Speaker 1>more because it's a different director every episode or most

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like every other episode, and they want to make sure

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 1>they cover everything. With Entourage, for instance, we did a

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of like Warner Is like only one shot. But

0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>we'd have to do that like times, because if you

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>have one screw up on the line, you've got to

0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 1>start over again. You can't just pick it up. Yeah. There,

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:22.279
<v Speaker 1>every now and then there's these directors where I will

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>lean over to a fell act and be like, Yeah,

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>this person is just gonna shoot every possible angle and

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.239
<v Speaker 1>just figure it out. They figure it out later in

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the edit, you know. They let me shoot as much

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 1>as I That's like for you would be like, I'm

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>just gonna get as much information as I can. I'll

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out the book later when I get there. That's

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes what happens with TV. Let's just get as much

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>coverage as we can and we'll figure out what the

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>scene actually looks like later. Not all the time. I

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 1>did a story years ago for a TV guide years

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 1>ago about a TV show called Love Monkey, and it

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 1>was with Tom Kavanaugh, Jason Priestley. Okay, and it's my

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 1>first time on the set and they shoot the same

0:56:56.680 --> 0:57:00.319
<v Speaker 1>scene times. I'm literally why I'm there, And at first

0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm exciting them, just bored. And at the end I

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>was sitting down to interview Jason pretty saying, I said, um,

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, man, this seems kind of boring.

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 1>He goes, bro, you have no idea, And I was

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that over and over again shooting my scene

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>for the eightieth time last week. I think a big

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>underrated part of acting in general is just how to

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 1>not make it feel like it's Take sixteen and brokering

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>out your energy. That's why there's coffee too. Coffee gets

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 1>me through some of those, uh, some of those moments.

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't thank you enough for coming on. I'm super excited.

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Congrats on this book. Whenever I know there's a Perlman

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 1>book coming, I sort of trying to clear my schedule

0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>as much as I can because I I gotta get

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to it quick before people start spoiling it for me.

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, my Christmas is kind of set. I think

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonn actually a babysitter to read this book to

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>taste us where the kids aren't screaming while I'm reading.

0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the last folk here, the life and myth

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of bo Jackson. Couldn't think of a better topic for

0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a book. And thanks for coming on, and I hope

0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>we get the talk against that means you're writing another book.

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>We're written another book. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:06.920
<v Speaker 1>guys so much. I appreciate it, of course, Yeah, thank

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you so much. Okay, it's time for one of my

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 1>favorite parts of this show. Let's get this some Week

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.920
<v Speaker 1>thirteen wagering and more with bet MGM betting analysts, our

0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:41.120
<v Speaker 1>odds on favorite Peter Andrew. Peter, how you doing. Have

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you recovered from the talking to I sort of gave

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you last week? It felt a little bit sweeter after

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the Niners, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Dolphins all took

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:52.560
<v Speaker 1>care of business. I think the the analogy I have

0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:54.959
<v Speaker 1>for last week is I just needed that little blue single,

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and now this is when the batting average comes back up.

0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.959
<v Speaker 1>I was to seventeen. Now I'm back my way toward.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 1>So it needed to happen. You just need that win

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 1>under your belt and then you can keep going to seventy.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's one player on the Yankees you've

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>got at two seventy. You've got to seventy. You're you're

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:12.360
<v Speaker 1>like an All star. That's a good point I'm talking.

0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you hit your safe play. It came through.

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.280
<v Speaker 1>You had all the favorites in the world last week. Bills, Dolphins,

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Niners Chiefs to win. You basically were even for the week.

0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>But now I think, and I said it earlier in

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the show, I think week thirty, this slate is unbelievable.

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be hard to pick and hard

0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>to handicap and pick winners because I do think this

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:38.040
<v Speaker 1>is a little sneak preview of the playoffs in a

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, because a lot of playoff teams or

0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>potential playoff teams facing off. So Mr Blup's single what

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.640
<v Speaker 1>do you got for us this week? Week thirteam, So

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you'll notice I've taken a little bit of a different

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>direction here. There's a couple of teased point spreads, but

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I've gone a lot overs and unders, so totals to me,

0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the player this week because is there's

1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 1>so many close games. Start first just Thursday night, we'll

1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>get out of the play the the one game part

1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:06.880
<v Speaker 1>of that that's finally gonna hit. I think this is

1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a safe one but still really really good value. So

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>we saw Harris go out last week for the Paths,

1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:16.560
<v Speaker 1>so Montre Stevenson is the the premier back. Now He's

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna playing about of snaps any time touchdown for

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>him Isaia McKenzie on the Bills, he has been a

1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:24.920
<v Speaker 1>red zone target even with his size. I think that

1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of size and speed up the middle. I think,

1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:30.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, had a really good week last week on Thanksgiving,

1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:32.320
<v Speaker 1>got him to score any time, and then I've just

1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 1>taken Bills minus four and a half, so cover the

1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 1>spread those two anytime touchdowns. That's plus a thousand, so

1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.520
<v Speaker 1>ten bucks. One unit gives you ten bucks after that

1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>steak in winnings. So I think it's a nice little

1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:46.760
<v Speaker 1>wet the beat kind of gets you into the football week.

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So to start things off, I like that. I feel

1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:53.480
<v Speaker 1>good about all three. Okay, so that's you got one unit,

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.919
<v Speaker 1>tend to win one ten, so you've got nine left

1:00:55.960 --> 1:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to go. So I feel like that was the appetizer.

1:00:58.200 --> 1:00:59.960
<v Speaker 1>That was a little bread and soup. Now let's see

1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:03.720
<v Speaker 1>it we got coming in hardcore. Yeah, so three units

1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:07.200
<v Speaker 1>on each of these other plays. First one, Giants commanders

1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:09.800
<v Speaker 1>under forty one. I think Heineke last three out of

1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:13.520
<v Speaker 1>five weeks under twenty points. Uh so their offense has

1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:16.080
<v Speaker 1>has been struggling. I think Giants have a little bit

1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:19.200
<v Speaker 1>extra rest because of the Thanksgiving Day games, so they're

1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:22.560
<v Speaker 1>essentially on over a week of rest. I think that

1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.600
<v Speaker 1>defense will be ready to roll and Giants offense is

1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:28.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna struggle. I think Slaton's probably their only target in

1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:31.760
<v Speaker 1>terms of the pass threat, and we all have seen

1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks what the defensive line

1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 1>for the Commanders can do. So I see a low

1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>scoring game, probably see the Giants win in this one

1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 1>home at MetLife, but I can certainly see a twenty

1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to thirty seventeen kind of game under forty one. That's

1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the play there, Finns Niners. I think this is wildly

1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.480
<v Speaker 1>miss priced in terms of the number of forty six

1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and a half. I get it, Niners number one defense

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.720
<v Speaker 1>in the league. This to me is a high scoring game.

1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Fins probably have proved have the best offense,

1:02:00.960 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 1>if not second or third best offense in the league,

1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:06.200
<v Speaker 1>right around the Chiefs and the Eagles. I can see

1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:08.840
<v Speaker 1>them putting up thirty points this game. I think it's

1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:10.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna be relatively close. I can see a field goal

1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>game here, but this is not going to be a

1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:16.280
<v Speaker 1>thirteen nothing Saints Niners game like last week to re

1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:20.680
<v Speaker 1>kill Wattle, no joke. Most they're already talking a little

1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:23.520
<v Speaker 1>bit trash about his old team going back to the Bay.

1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I can see this one being super high scoring. It

1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of reminded me of SATs Niners a couple of

1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:31.960
<v Speaker 1>years ago, where it was like forty seven, forty five,

1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:35.040
<v Speaker 1>something crazy like that. So I see some points here

1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and then last three units. Pains me to do this,

1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But Dolphins plus ten, I think they keep it. Like

1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, close ten points for arguably the second best

1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:47.440
<v Speaker 1>or third best team in the a f C going

1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to San Francisco. I think that's a real fair number

1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:53.840
<v Speaker 1>to hit. Brown's minus one, returning to Shaun Watson. Oh,

1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:58.880
<v Speaker 1>by the way, against the Texans former team, who are horrendous,

1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they're an easy one. That's a layup. That's a layup.

1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:06.040
<v Speaker 1>So pushing that down from seven to one is seems

1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:09.720
<v Speaker 1>very very logical. And Brown's team probably not in the playoffs,

1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:11.480
<v Speaker 1>but they're fighting towards it. So it's a must win

1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.800
<v Speaker 1>for them, especially against probably the worst team in the NFL.

1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:17.680
<v Speaker 1>And then Chiefs at the Bengals over forty five and

1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a half, So tease that down. That to me is

1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:22.160
<v Speaker 1>another high scoring game. You got the Bengals who have

1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:25.320
<v Speaker 1>who have clearly righted. The ship Chiefs are playing as

1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:28.120
<v Speaker 1>good as anybody this year. Kelsey's on fire, Mahomes is

1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:30.840
<v Speaker 1>on fire. So to say that there's not gonna be

1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:32.800
<v Speaker 1>forty five points the game is I think kind of crazy.

1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So taking the over there the others obviously minus one ten,

1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:39.160
<v Speaker 1>that one's plus one forty, so that's seventy two. I

1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:41.640
<v Speaker 1>really like the card this week, And like I said,

1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I've stayed away from some of these points spreads because

1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of really really close games. So feel

1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:48.840
<v Speaker 1>good with with the extra six points on the couple

1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of those. But but all in know, I think totals

1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of the move this week, Jerry, is there anything there

1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that is a red flag concern for you? I won't

1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.280
<v Speaker 1>say red flag. I like what you did with the

1:03:58.360 --> 1:04:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Dolphins Niners and like kind of focusing on that game.

1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I do think there's some points and if you're right

1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:05.960
<v Speaker 1>on the over, then you're probably right that that game

1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.040
<v Speaker 1>will be less than ten. And even though you're a

1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Niners fan, I mean, all right, so if the Niners

1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:12.000
<v Speaker 1>went by seven, I'm sure you won't be crying. You'll

1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:14.640
<v Speaker 1>still be very happy. If I had to flag something,

1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even flagging it. I'm just that Brown's minus

1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:23.280
<v Speaker 1>one at Houston. I know, like, I don't think on

1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the Texans. Again, not hot on the Texans, but we're

1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:27.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about a quarterback who hasn't played football in two years.

1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I'm hot on the Texans. And by

1:04:30.120 --> 1:04:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the way, if the if Houston beats the Browns, that

1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:35.840
<v Speaker 1>only makes the Browns draft pick more valuable, which Houston owns.

1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Not saying I like the Texans at all because they

1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.600
<v Speaker 1>are the worst team in football and I think they've

1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:43.240
<v Speaker 1>completely given up there now shuffling around quarter I'm just

1:04:43.760 --> 1:04:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that one's got my attention a little bit because I

1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.120
<v Speaker 1>actually do think it's gonna be a close game. But

1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I do think the Browns prevailed. Other than that, I'm

1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:52.520
<v Speaker 1>with that, And I like that you picked the Giants

1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:56.440
<v Speaker 1>commanders under don't pick the Giants anymore, Pete. Here's why.

1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I just don't want anyone just keep us underdog. I

1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:01.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to you want like the Giants win when

1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:04.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone thinks we're gonna lose. I don't like when people

1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:06.320
<v Speaker 1>get people got on the train and we've lost two

1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:07.840
<v Speaker 1>in a row. I don't I don't even like that

1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I would get off the train, just let them, let

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<v Speaker 1>them win in peace fair enough. At some point they

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<v Speaker 1>have to be taken seriously though. I get your under

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<v Speaker 1>the radar comment, but like, they're not the best team,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're a decent team. There there's the most injured

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<v Speaker 1>te sure, so I get it. What about if I

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<v Speaker 1>can shift to the other New York team. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on Mike White going into Minnesota. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>game that I kind of I didn't put it in here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I might take Jets money line. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>probably a five or six point dog, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might take them money. So you want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what a maniac emotional better I could be. I was

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<v Speaker 1>perusing bet MGM when I'm making my picks, and then

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<v Speaker 1>also someone sent me the trailer for like the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode of that show White Lotus, which I'm a fan of,

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<v Speaker 1>and that show creator his name is Mike White. So

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that was a clear cut sign that Mike

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<v Speaker 1>White and the Jets are gonna Look. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Jets fans of my life. I love to

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of them. It's really hard to make fun

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<v Speaker 1>of them because they are really really good and look

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<v Speaker 1>I think Mike White played a little bit last year.

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<v Speaker 1>He had and then he played a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>got destroyed. So curious to see what happens. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a great story and it's a bit hard

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<v Speaker 1>lesson for Zack Wilson. The one thing I would say

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<v Speaker 1>about Mike White is this shows to me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to bash Zack Wilson, but look how bad Garrett

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson has been in the weeks that Zack Wilson started

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<v Speaker 1>the first couple of weeks, when Flacco was playing two touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>ten plus receptions, hundred plus yards, Garrett Wilson, who's arguably

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<v Speaker 1>one of the better wide receivers coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>draft last year, five games of nothing, it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>then Mike White comes in, ninety yards, two touchdowns, ton

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<v Speaker 1>of targets. They're using him any which way, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>exploiting your talent with different guys. That shows to me

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<v Speaker 1>that Zack Wilson is way too just kind of single

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<v Speaker 1>minded in terms of what he's trying to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I really like about Robert Salo, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>he was getting a lot of heat and remember the

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<v Speaker 1>whole I'm keeping the receipts and everyone kind of laughed, like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, keep him, do whatever you want when him,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't care. I think the Zach Wilson benching, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>his play maybe warranted the benching, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>press conference was like the final thing. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>when you see your coach hold the star young quarterback accountable, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go up after a bad game and basically

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<v Speaker 1>said you weren't responsible for that I did. Coaching wise,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he fully has that team behind him. It

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<v Speaker 1>pains me to say that we just did basically a

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half minute segment on the Jets for

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<v Speaker 1>no reason at all other than the fact that they're

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<v Speaker 1>good and they're a great story. Hurts my soul. Last thing,

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<v Speaker 1>did Zach Wilson play his last game? Barring an injury

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else? Did he play his last game as

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<v Speaker 1>a Jet starting quarterback? I don't believe so unless we

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<v Speaker 1>get a really truly magical look. Mike White's a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's very talented. He makes the easy throw.

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<v Speaker 1>It was against the Bears, let's not forget, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not really even fielding a team at this point, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a believer out of me beating the

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<v Speaker 1>Buffaloes and the New England's and you know, some tougher competition.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, and he's what twenty two do you give

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<v Speaker 1>up on that? Twenty three or twenty three? Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you could fully say it's it's over. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get like he's allowed to make a mistake and

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<v Speaker 1>grow from it. So my answer would be no. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he'll be like a Sam Donald Like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's going to kind of disappear on

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<v Speaker 1>us here because I think his character has shown he's

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<v Speaker 1>lost the locker room. Teammates clearly don't want to play

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<v Speaker 1>for him. They want to play for Mike White, like

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that Garrett Wilson example. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Sala doing this was the right decision as an

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<v Speaker 1>organization that's ready to win now. But it certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do Zach any favors because this is kind of to

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<v Speaker 1>do that to a young quarterback's confidence is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a final stab. We have to stop talking about the Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have a heart attack on the air. Literally

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a heart attack on the air. Alright, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just say I do like what you got

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<v Speaker 1>on the menu this week and uh, if this happens,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to graduate from blooperpete to uh bloop

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<v Speaker 1>single to you. Maybe it's a double, maybe it's a triple.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you touch them all. So thank you as always,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Andrew, good luck this week. Thanks guys, h thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Peter, and thanks everyone for listening. Make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>next week is a really good one. Jerry too. We

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<v Speaker 1>have Michael Lombardi joining us. I know you've been campaigning

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He's been fantastic on the show before. That'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fun.