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Speaker 1: Welcome to this Thanksgiving leftover edition of Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: It's like a lot of food of Thanksgiving. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of read right there it is, But I got one.

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Speaker 1: to a different place so you can listen to these

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Speaker 1: wonderful words of wisdom going the course of the day.

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Speaker 1: I have one more thing to say that's nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with this, mackenzie. Are producers having a birthday today? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday McKenzie. God, that's awesome. November. She has been

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Speaker 1: a she's a rookie with us this year. She's on

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Speaker 1: the rookie for sure. Thank you McKenzie being for being

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Speaker 1: which one, Well, that's right, Jeff's dad here is is

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Speaker 1: but he's here. He's watching and he had from Phoenix

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Speaker 1: a nice meal with the Feagles family. Come in and

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Speaker 1: all right. Now, the big question that I really wanted

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Speaker 1: And I said to you before the show started, how

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Speaker 1: the time, of all the games. Now, as you know

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Speaker 1: Did you play? Do you remember? Do you have you? No? Dad?

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Speaker 1: just do all Thanksgiving Day games and I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what they are. Oh, all right from two thousand and nine. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: a good play, a good back in the NFL. Never

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Speaker 1: really developed for a lot of reasons. Um. The one

426
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Speaker 1: that we saw with you is where is it now here?

427
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: It is against the Denver Broncos to six, Denver destroys

428
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: the Giants in two thousand nine. That's the game you

429
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: remember at Denver. Yeah, that that I do remember. Not

430
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: a good day. It was cold, nobody wanted to play

431
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: football that day. I just remember it was a bad game.

432
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Speaker 1: If you I think I kicked quite a few that

433
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: I kicked a lot. Oh, I got you did. But

434
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're gonna kick a lot, you

435
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: want to kick it where it's a mile high because

436
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: the ball just travels forever. Yeah. Yeah, So and then

437
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 1: the previous time the Giants lost to the Cowboys another game, well,

438
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: I remember them going to Dallas on Thanksgiving. I remember that.

439
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember details about the game. And again they

440
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: got waxed. So I tried to forget that. That's a

441
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: long span from well, the Giants as an organization, I

442
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: can honestly say I believed in I would prefer to

443
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: avoid it if they can, But you know, not everybody

444
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: could avoid all the time. At some point, So do

445
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: you remember an O six? It had to be they

446
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: did they. I don't think they had the Thursday night game.

447
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: Then I don't think they did Thursday. I wondered they

448
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: start Thursday night football. I don't know that you're asking

449
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: me another question that we're going to get screwed up.

450
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they did, because I remember

451
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: as playing that Thursday Night game, and you were asking

452
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: me did you like it? And I don't think that.

453
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't think the players did. I thought we were.

454
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was too early turnaround that Sunday to Thursday,

455
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Speaker 1: and basically I don't remember. I didn't like it because

456
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: in No. Six I retired to No. Nine A two.

457
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: That was my nineteenth season in the in the in

458
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: the league. I didn't like playing on a Thursday. Hell,

459
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: it took me. It took me to Thursday before I

460
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: could even feel better. Thursday Night football started in two

461
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Speaker 1: thousand six. Oh, so that was so that was That

462
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: was our Thursday night game. Okay, there you go, there

463
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Speaker 1: you go. So he played the first Thursday night official

464
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game on the Thursday night schedule. For those scoring

465
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: at home, you should have known that. Sure, give it

466
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: to me. Where is it? You bring it to A

467
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: one nine four or five one three? I'll give you

468
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: some more left over turkey? How about that? Oh that's

469
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: all I need? Yeah. Luckily I didn't have me before

470
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: I came here. We falling asleep because I know last night,

471
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: after eight I was so tired. All right, it's time

472
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: to go back to the calls four. It is time.

473
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: I told you. You woke him up, so you said

474
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Speaker 1: his name in there. It's time for the lobster. Call

475
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Speaker 1: Charlie from Maine your next time, Charlie, tell me that

476
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: you did not have lobster on Thanksgiving? Right one day?

477
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: One day he didn't. Jeff, you gotta have some history here.

478
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: During the first Thanksgiving they had turkey, but they also

479
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: had lobster. That's up there in that area in front

480
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: of the Indians brought lobster. And also to get the

481
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: fire going, they used to throw himpt on the on

482
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: the fire a thing. What a heck of a Thanksgiving

483
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: that must have been. I got news for you, Charlie.

484
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: By the time they got to the second course, they

485
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were eating. Yeah, did you give

486
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: your dad any losses? I said to I bet you didn't. Well,

487
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't live here, so that's something. That's why I

488
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't give it to him. I mean, I'm not going

489
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: to ship him all the way back out to Arizona

490
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: after you shipped him here. All right, Hey, look, I

491
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: got I got a question for Jeff. Okay, you know,

492
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: in college, because I've been watching a few college games,

493
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: punt they always have these three guys that go back. Yeah,

494
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: the elephant and you know the other blockers. Why don't

495
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: they do that in the NFL. Well, here's this, here's

496
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: the reason. So you know the difference in college rules

497
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: and pro rules is that in college, once the ball snapped,

498
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: everybody can leave the line of scrimmage and run down.

499
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: And so what happens is the whole, the center, the

500
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: guard to everybody leaves. Okay, so the protection is giving

501
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: up right away. So then that's what those three guys

502
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: are in the back. So in the pros, you can't

503
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: leave until the ball is kicked, So you gotta have

504
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: protection up front. And so what's what's happening in the

505
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: college ranks with And there are Australian rules football punters

506
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: in the National Football not too many of them, but

507
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: in college there's tons of them. Because what they do

508
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: is when they snap the football and we've seen it

509
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: in the games we've been doing in the NBC, is

510
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: that they call it a rugby kick where the guy

511
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: will roll out and while once the ball snapped, everybody

512
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: runs down the field right, so the punter will actually

513
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: roll out behind and that little three man wedge, if

514
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: you call it, they'll rotate to the right and they'll

515
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: buy time for the guys going down the field. So

516
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: by the time the punter kicks it down there, the

517
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: guys are halfway down there and eliminates returns. So I

518
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: would like to see them change that rule in college

519
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: that you can't leave until it's but it will never

520
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: get changed. I mean, so that's that's the reason, Charlie.

521
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: It's called the elephant punt, the elephanta and now there's

522
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: a little things. That's that's the reason right there. It's

523
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: all about protection. There you go. Hey, I don't have

524
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: too much hope for this game coming up, guys, I

525
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people do, Johnnie. There's a

526
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: reason they call it the underdog, and the Giants are

527
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: indeed an underdog. This weekend, it's not going to be

528
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: very favorable conditions to be throwing the football, and so

529
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's one thing that will probably maybe help this team. Yeah,

530
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: that's true. It's supposed to be there on Monday. It's

531
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: supposed to be sleep, sleep, freezing rain and sleep throughout

532
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: the day. That's that's not fun. It's not fun, not

533
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: fun for anybody. We're supposed to get some snow up here,

534
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: so there you go. Hey, guys, have a great week.

535
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Thank you. Don't have much. I'm just waiting for this

536
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: season to get over with and you know we'll find

537
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: Hey a good thing your father met some of the

538
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: coaches because they're probably not going to be there next year.

539
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: So anyway, Charlie, thank you so much for calling. Always

540
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: a bowl full of cheer. Enjoy your leftovers. Charlie met,

541
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: My dad met one coach and I was Thomas McGahee,

542
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: who he had met before. So oh, I'm sure he did,

543
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: being that you were here when as here was a player,

544
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: when you were you were a player when he was

545
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: here prior as a coach. Yeah, it's funny because if

546
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: you remember, Thomas mcgahey was the assistant special teams coach

547
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: from Tom Quinn was the head special team was flipped around.

548
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, there are two really good coaches. Line one,

549
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: Mark from Chicago is on a big blue kick off. Mark,

550
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Hello a lead, Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you Mark. Say um, Paul,

551
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: you go back so far. I mean a little bit

552
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: more history to what you were talking about. Nineteen sixty four,

553
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: the year after the NFL championship, we go to ten

554
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: and two. Everybody got old at one time, the Bloody

555
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: title in Pittsburgh. Six give up five d one points

556
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: in fourteen games. That's thirty six points a game, including

557
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: seventy two to the Redskins. It doesn't get any worse

558
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: than that. And I and I could appreciate that. Mark.

559
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: I will only tell people, you know, when when they

560
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: asked me a question of that nature, I'm gonna go

561
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: with what I experienced firsthand. I'm aware of the years

562
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but my first memories of of listening

563
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: and watching Giants football actually started nineteen six, so you know,

564
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: that's during the talking to era. And by the way,

565
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: those weren't good teams, but talking And had them a

566
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: competitive five hundred club, you know, for a couple of

567
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: those seasons. And then when they made the deal to

568
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: get Norm Snead in the talking To trade with the Vikings,

569
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Snead led the NFC in passing that year in seventy two,

570
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: and they went eight and six and beat the stuffing

571
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: out of the Cowboys in Dallas in the season finale

572
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: to finish it in six that year. Yeah, and had

573
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: seventy three. Team was disappointing to team was terrible. Yeah,

574
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: So are you guys familiar with the Goodbye Alley each here,

575
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: and I know it very well. I know it very well. Yeah,

576
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: just for a little history for the people out there.

577
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: One night they were playing good night ladies, good night gentlemen,

578
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: near the end of the game, and all of a

579
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: sudden it turned out to be Goodbye Alley, and uh

580
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: they sang that many many a time at Yankee Stadium. Well,

581
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: and then of course Alex Webster wound up taking over

582
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the club. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody I'll say is that back

583
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: in those days it was harder to build a roster

584
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: because you had to do everything through the draft. I mean,

585
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: Rosie Brown was the twenty seventh round draft shows. But

586
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: I see what what gentleman is doing. And I don't

587
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: think you guys were on the phone call when John

588
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: had the guy from Pro Football focus on and what

589
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: he said was that having good defensive backs, good cover

590
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: defensive backs, was more important than a pass rusher in

591
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a lot of cases because they get the ball out

592
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: so quick. So I can see what gentleman is doing

593
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: and drafting all these dbs two, you know, the defense

594
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: tougher to make that you know those passes happen, So

595
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: I see the plan it's just a matter of whether

596
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: it works or not. Well, Mike, look, they certainly beefed

597
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: up the quality and the depth of their secondary. Uh.

598
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Sam Bill was the first step, and then of course

599
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: they wound up grabbing Love and Baker this year. Getting

600
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: Peppers in the trade with Cleveland was another step in

601
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: beefing up the young secondary. So and and to be honest,

602
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on Grant Haley either. Okay, I

603
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: know he's had a tough time this year and now

604
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: he found his way to the bench. Grant Haley is

605
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: too talented and too young of a player for me

606
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: to just toss him aside. Yeah. Yeah, So I see

607
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: the I see the plan, and I see the plan

608
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that they did with the offensive line that you know,

609
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: they knew that they were going to bring in a

610
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: rookie QB and you know, like there's no way Jones

611
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: could have survived with that offensive line last year. So

612
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: I see the plan. Let's just see if it works.

613
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: And I'm not as dismal about the team is a

614
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: lot of other calls, because I've seen a lot worse. Well,

615
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: that's because you're in Chicago. When you don't read the

616
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: New York papers. You're not like now too. I read

617
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, so thanks to comment a little

618
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: bit about that. When I look at the game that

619
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I saw the other night where the forty Niners played

620
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: the Packers, right, so we paid special attention to that

621
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: game because they see the Giants were playing them the

622
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: following week. If you go with their philosophy, their philosophy

623
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: is old school giant football philosophy. Did you see how

624
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: that defensive line attacked one of the most predominant throwers

625
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: in the National Football League? So their secondary for the Packers.

626
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: I know, we're not gonna get much into the game,

627
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: but they're they're not They're okay, but there their strength

628
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: is is that defensive line and getting after the quarterback. Well,

629
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: the Niners hit him ten times, Aaron Rodgers, and sacked

630
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: him five times. It's the third time this season that

631
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: Rogers has been sacked five times in a game. The

632
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: Chiefs got him five, the Bears got him five, the

633
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: Niners got him five. So you can't get to him,

634
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, And I think that the middle of

635
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: the field for offensively. Now I'm talking about the Packers defense. Now,

636
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some you know, there's some good

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Speaker 1: opportunities if you will, if they're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: throw the football on Sunday, because it's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: very good weather. Joe four five one three is our

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Speaker 1: more details, we go to line three. Jason is in Maine.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I hope you're not next door neighbors

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Speaker 1: to Charlie. You're next on the show. Hello, Hey guys, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you doing great? How are you Jon? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm about probably five hours from Charlie, so a little ways.

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Speaker 1: But oh god, not you. But you know what, I

650
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Speaker 1: think his voice probably travels about four hours and forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes away. So you got you gotta be careful.

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Speaker 1: You've kind of on the borderline. Hey, uh, Jeff, I

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Speaker 1: got a question for you that I don't quite understand.

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Speaker 1: I know that I'm told the teams usually have, like

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Speaker 1: on offense, they have scripted plays at the beginning. I

656
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Speaker 1: don't know how many they usually have. It's about fifty.

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00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how I'm wondering how that works because you

658
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Speaker 1: never know what the results are gonna be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you may have a run scripted, I mean cold you

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Speaker 1: just describe how that works, because sometimes you might have

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Speaker 1: a third down. I mean, obviously you don't script that,

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Speaker 1: probably at the beginning. So how do they script those

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Speaker 1: opening places? They script them no matter what the situation is,

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Speaker 1: they're running those plays third and thirteen. They're running if

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Speaker 1: it was a pass play that they had scripted, they're

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Speaker 1: running them. Paul, I mean, it's it's it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: I never got that, but there's so many teams to

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Speaker 1: do it. I think the Giants they script ten place.

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Speaker 1: I think that's then I think they're down to ten.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, UM don't. I'm not confirming that,

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Speaker 1: but I had heard that it's ten. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: heard Shermer say that one time it was a ten play. Um.

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Speaker 1: But that's it's just something I remember when I was

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Speaker 1: with the Seahawks, Holmbrun was a big proponent, and I

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Speaker 1: think he was one of the first guys that started

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Speaker 1: doing that with scripting these plays. But um, and that's

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Speaker 1: just all because of what the defense does on their

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00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: on their first place. So it's all about game planning.

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Speaker 1: But they stick with it. It doesn't matter they running that,

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Speaker 1: they get that the script says passed on first down,

681
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: they got the pass play. And the players study those

682
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Speaker 1: first ten or fifteen plays, so they're doing mistakes, you know,

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Speaker 1: and really a ten or fifteen plays should get you

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Speaker 1: down to where you should be scoring points. I think

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Speaker 1: the other thing to keep in mind is that when

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Speaker 1: coaches get together on Monday night and start formulating the

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Speaker 1: game plan for the following Sunday, um, they're using all

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Speaker 1: of the data and all of the information that they

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Speaker 1: have at their disposal, and they're coming up with a

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Speaker 1: conviction that, okay, these first scripted plays are not only

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Speaker 1: going to work, but they're also going to set up

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Speaker 1: things we want to do later in the game. That's correct.

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Speaker 1: That is a great point, um, And believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: it's such a chess game. And and guys will they

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Speaker 1: do that. They read, they look at all this information,

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Speaker 1: and there's more information today than there's ever been. Because

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Speaker 1: now that a word comes in that whole analytics part

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Speaker 1: of it that we're not gonna get into argue there's

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Speaker 1: too much information years and years and years ago. And

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Speaker 1: I can talk about this because I had been around

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Speaker 1: the game for as long as I did. The game

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Speaker 1: has changed so much. Where back to the days when

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Speaker 1: they had the film, the guys were breaking down film

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Speaker 1: and now you know, there was computers that they would

705
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Speaker 1: these assistants would come in there on Mondays and they

706
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Speaker 1: would just be pumping in, pumping in information and pumping

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Speaker 1: information and big Basically, what it was spitting out was

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Speaker 1: not analytics. It was spending out tendencies. They have a

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Speaker 1: tendency on first down and long that their defense is

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Speaker 1: gonna run this their offense when their first down in

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Speaker 1: less than five they go from this formation. It's a

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Speaker 1: type of analytics, but it was just basically tendencies more

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Speaker 1: than anything. Now, tendencies and trends and trends analytics are

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Speaker 1: basically black and white computer numbers, and they're they're far

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, they're much too specific because

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Speaker 1: they take out intangibles, they take out gut feel and

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Speaker 1: and sometimes quite frankly, they take out pure logic and

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Speaker 1: they just wipe it out and put it too Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I see it all the time when we're sitting there

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Speaker 1: and there and the common fan does the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We're sitting there going why are they do in this? Well,

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Speaker 1: you'd like to find that guy that's on the sideling

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Speaker 1: that has a big A on his justices. I'm the

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Speaker 1: analytics guy, and that's why I want you to do this.

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Speaker 1: But this common sense part of it drives you and

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Speaker 1: I crazy because we we've been around the game long

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Speaker 1: enough to know that why. It's like chasing the two points.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, the chart says it, but you know

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Speaker 1: what the tempo of the game, and do you really

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Speaker 1: want to do it that early? And the Giants have

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Speaker 1: been forced without a few times this year. And you

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Speaker 1: hear Bob Poppa, he hates it. He absolutely cannot stand

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Speaker 1: chasing points early. It is wintertime. I think the chart

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Speaker 1: would be good for fireplace material than Thank you, Jason,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it very much. But those fifteen plays I remember

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Speaker 1: homebrewing they would have him on Saturday morning. Um, they

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Speaker 1: would run their first fifteens. Excuse me, I take that back.

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Speaker 1: I take that they would not run. They would they

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Speaker 1: would get their final fifteen plays ready on Saturday. So

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Speaker 1: Saturday night at the game, they would hand out to

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Speaker 1: the players the first fifteen so the guy to go

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Speaker 1: to bed at night and study those first fifteen plays.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. We have a question on Twitter

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Speaker 1: from Christopher Nail's wants to know do you think Sae

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00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley is losing confidence in his offensive line? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think when you talk about the running game,

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00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: there is so many things intertwined. It's it's the play call,

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Speaker 1: it's the adjustments at the line. Then it's the line

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Speaker 1: making the correct blocks, and then it's the running back

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Speaker 1: making sure he reads it correctly. Then it's the running

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Speaker 1: back also having confidence not only in the block being

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Speaker 1: thrown correctly, but then him being able to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I can make that cut, I can make that play

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Speaker 1: and I can take off. Look, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things right now going wrong with the Giants

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Speaker 1: running game, and I'm not willing to just put it

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Speaker 1: on one individual subject. No, it's it's collectively. It really is,

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Speaker 1: and collectively is collectively. Collectively, it's everyone, it's a little

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Speaker 1: of everything. It's okay, coaches, players, and that's what it

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00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: goes down to you. But bottom line, and I've always

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Speaker 1: been this way, coaches coach players play right. Coaches put

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Speaker 1: you in situations where you should be able to execute.

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Speaker 1: If you cannot execute, then the play is going to

764
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Speaker 1: go bad, which you've seen it happen. But really it

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00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: comes down to the players being able to execute the

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Speaker 1: play and being better than your opponent across from you.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is on every play, and there's usually

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Speaker 1: about seventy of them a game, so you want to

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Speaker 1: try to win as many of those matchups as you can.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you're gonna be like Sae Kwon lately

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Speaker 1: and have thirteen rushes for minus one yard. We have

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Speaker 1: another very interesting one here from Matthew Christopher and this

773
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: is a real good GMS question. So I need you

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Speaker 1: to play front office man for me, Jeff, if it

775
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Speaker 1: wants to know If Dave Gettlman gives Marcus Golden a

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Speaker 1: big fat contract with a nice guarantee he used the

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Speaker 1: leading pass rusher on the team, and then they franchise

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Speaker 1: tag Leonard Williams, who they got in the trade from

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Speaker 1: the Jets earlier this season, what will the fan base say? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you about the fan base because

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00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: that's irrelevant. Uh, Dave gentleman will do what he believes

782
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Speaker 1: is right and he will not listen to outside noise.

783
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Speaker 1: But could you understand if he did something like that

784
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Speaker 1: to retain both of these players, who, as it stands now,

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Speaker 1: are both going to be unrestricted free agents. Well, I

786
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Speaker 1: think if you look at an edge rusher, okay like

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and see what they're getting paid and see

788
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Speaker 1: where he ends up. He came here because he wanted

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Speaker 1: to show everybody that he could do it right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had a lot of snacks in two thousand and sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was twelve right and a half twelve

792
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Speaker 1: and a half. So if he can get double digit

793
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Speaker 1: sacks this year, I think the guys earned himself the

794
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: right to have a good contract. Now, is a four

795
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Speaker 1: sixty with I don't know, I mean four sixty that's

796
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Speaker 1: fifteen fifteen, fifteen thirty, that's more than so listen, Williams

797
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Speaker 1: is making what's seventeen a year and we're around there,

798
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: not even in that frame of mind to talk finances yet.

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Speaker 1: The question for me is a football question. First, do

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Speaker 1: you believe that there's a role for this guy with

801
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: his given production and what they need? That's the first

802
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: question you answer. The second question then becomes financially, how

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Speaker 1: do you fit them in? I would say from a

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Speaker 1: football perspective, I'd like to have both of these guys back. Now,

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00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: from a business angle, I don't know what kind of

806
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: numbers were talking about to make it happen, but I

807
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: do know the Giants will have what is considered a

808
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: healthy amount of cap room next to Okay, well, here's

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00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: the other thing you're gonna get. If they're gonna go

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Speaker 1: out and draft a young pass rusher, Okay, that's going

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Speaker 1: to help their cap position when it comes from free agency. Right.

812
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Speaker 1: So I mean if they if they could get a

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00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: guy like the kid from Ohio State, that's not going

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Speaker 1: to cost him a lot of money on the cap,

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Speaker 1: and they're getting a really good football player, so they

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00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: could afford to spend maybe just a little bit more

817
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: on a guy like Marcus Golden if they feel like

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Speaker 1: I believe, and I think that Dave Gentleman does too.

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Speaker 1: You earn it, right, you want to show me that

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00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: you could do it. You show me that you can

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Speaker 1: do it. I really would love to see him get

822
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Speaker 1: the double digit numbers because I think once you get

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00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: double digit sack numbers, it's a little bit more identified. Now. Okay,

824
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: now we're kind of getting serious now, you know what

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00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean. He's got seven and a half right now.

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Speaker 1: So I actually had one taken away in Chicago penalty

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Speaker 1: which was that was on generous Jenkins penalty, the mystery

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Speaker 1: and then it was a huge play, huge play, but

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Speaker 1: a mystery penalty. I didn't see the hold on Jenkins,

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00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: by the way, and that ripped off one of gold

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Speaker 1: And if you go back and look at the way

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden has been playing consistently. Every single game he

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00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: comes up with a half a sack or or more

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Speaker 1: a game. So that tells you he's gonna get his

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Speaker 1: double digits, right, And in my mind, I go back,

836
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Speaker 1: if i'm him or his agent, I go to get

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Speaker 1: him and say, listen, you brought me in here on

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00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: this contract, and I've shown you that I could do it.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time to pay the fiddler. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, as I said earlier, I think he's one A.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to retain him and give him a

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00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: one A pass rushers contract, I think that's great because

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00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: he's proven that he deserves that type of deal. And

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00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: if you give him that type of deal, you're not

845
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: over paying for him, and I think that you're not

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00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: hurting yourself. Now here's the problem. If you're paying him

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Speaker 1: as like a fifteen sixteen sack guy, a first team

848
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type of player, and he's only a one A,

849
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: you're overpaying and now you put yourself into a salary

850
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: cap hole. Well, I think that he's gonna have to

851
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: maybe figure out the type of player that he is

852
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and and the money he's gonna command, and mayah one

853
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: A or a mayor one. I mean, that's a tough

854
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: question for individuals. I'm a one. The problem is what

855
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: if there's somebody else out there now who was willing

856
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: to pay him as a one? And now you've got

857
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: yourself an issue because if you get into a bidding

858
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: war and you and you wind up over paying for

859
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: a guy, you put yourself in trouble. Look, I'm not

860
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to disparage anybody. Olivier Ronan to me

861
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: was a robin. Remember when he played with JPP. He

862
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: was one A to JPPS one and the Giants made

863
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs and those guys performed as a good do all.

864
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: The problem then was after they got rid of JPP

865
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: and Vernon had to be Batman. He couldn't. He was

866
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: only Robin and without Batman, it wasn't happening. Yeah, well,

867
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: there definitely has to be a Batman in the room

868
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: next year, and whether it's through the draft or a

869
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: big time free agent, because you really need it. Two

870
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: oh one, nine three, nine four or five one three

871
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876
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: want to add this one more time before we wrap

877
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: up the last ten minutes of the show. The Giants

878
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: Coach Drive is coming up on Sunday one o'clock kickoff

879
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: against the Packers, rain and sleet, and it's gonna be

880
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: a nasty, nasty day. There are a lot of people

881
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: in the New York area, unfortunately don't have winter coats

882
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: and hoodies and things to keep them warm. It's a

883
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: nasty situation. So if you can bring your gently worn

884
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: or unused coats and hoodies to the game and donate

885
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: them to the Giants coach drive. They've been doing it

886
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: now for a couple of decades. We would certainly appreciate it,

887
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: and so will those folks who are less fortunate than you.

888
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: So thanks very much in advance for anybody who was

889
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: able to give. We go back to the phone lines.

890
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Line to Mike from the Bronx your next time, Big

891
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: Blue kick Off Live. Hello, Hello, Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. Gotta

892
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: bless you in your family. You two now, okay? Um,

893
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: My thing is the defense, the three fort defense is

894
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: not the Giants football. I think for two years that

895
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: they've been running the three for defense, it was horrible

896
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: miss tackles. They want to show the show the tackle

897
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Dad that is out of there's no more money lot,

898
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: there's no more at water that could do. That hits

899
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: you with the show that any fallen. But my other

900
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: thing is the coach has no fire. The team is

901
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: following their coach, and if the coach don't have no fire,

902
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the team is gonna lack of that fire and they're

903
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna play, um, not to their potential. And that's why

904
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: I think they're losing and the morale is so down

905
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: that they need firing that team something. Because past sermon.

906
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: He always comes up with the same excuse, saying, oh,

907
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: we get into it, we're getting close. You're not getting close.

908
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: It's the same thing Michael asked you to hold on

909
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: just a second. I don't want you to go anywhere.

910
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: Just stay with me because I want to ask Jeff

911
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: something about what you just said, and then I'd like

912
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: you to finish your point or ask another question. Jeff,

913
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: you played in the game a long time. You've been

914
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: on a number of teams that did not make the playoffs,

915
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: a number of teams that were also rants, more than

916
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I did. More more bad teams are good teams. Yes,

917
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: but you also know the difference between a team that

918
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: has basically lost its heart mails it in and the

919
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: tape doesn't lie when you watch the tape. Guys who

920
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: have played this game before can tell you if a

921
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: team has given up quit mailed it in. I don't

922
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: see that on this Giant's team, and I don't think

923
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: you do eat No. I'll tell you the last time

924
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: I saw it was three years ago when Macadoo was here.

925
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: That's that's basically one of the reasons why, in my opinion,

926
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: they that they had to let him go with the

927
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: team lost faith in their head coach, and you could

928
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: see it on the field. I will never, for the

929
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: life of me ever ever know why guys would ever

930
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: take it, Because if you're taking on this team, don't

931
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: you think that another team is gonna see your tanking?

932
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: Why would I sign you? You know what I mean?

933
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: You do you lure your own value. So it's the

934
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: stupid things I've ever heard. But but this team, you know,

935
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I I don't want you to get all caught up

936
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: in the way that Pat Shermer acts around you and

937
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: the media. There's a way that he and Paul sees it.

938
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: He's on the field and practice and things like that.

939
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: The guy is is intense, he really is. But I

940
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: do feel like this team does compete. They do out,

941
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: they don't give up um, and they try to win

942
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: football game. They're not winning football games because there's basically

943
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: they're shooting themselves in the foot all the time. They're

944
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: making errors everywhere, okay, and that's the problem, but it's

945
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: not out of lack of effort. Because of their coaches

946
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of fire. I don't I

947
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: don't believe that. My My thing is UM, I see

948
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: the game, the defense the three or four let's let's

949
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: be real, guys, they can't hold one at all. Jenkins.

950
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: If you've seen the past couple of games, he went

951
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: on a lot of tackles that could have saved some games.

952
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: The Arizona game, the the Eago game when the tighten

953
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: went um deep post in the middle and he was

954
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: literally right there. He could have stopped him, but he

955
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: refused to hit him. Like, I don't know what's going

956
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: on with with Jenkins and these cornerbacks that they look

957
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: lost out there. They look confused and they look boggle

958
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: like they don't know what they're doing. Well, here's what

959
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: I will say. I actually believe that outside of two games,

960
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and there was the one game in Tampa when Jenkins

961
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: got beat for three touchdown passes, and then you mentioned

962
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: the other game, I believe it was against the Cardinals,

963
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: and you're correct where he had two suspect tackles that

964
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: did not look very good. Outside of those two games,

965
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: if you study the tape, do you know what Jenks

966
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: has played well? He really has, and so I understand

967
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: that there were isolated cases where maybe he did not

968
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: play up to par and wasn't as good as he

969
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: needs to be. But when your team is two or nine, um,

970
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who have made a lot

971
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: more mistakes than he has. You correct, but I don't know.

972
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: The three four is not a fit for the the

973
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: Nego Giants. They got to go back to the fourth three.

974
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: They got two good rushes, they got to um middles

975
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: that they could you know, clog up the run. Well

976
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: that that point, Mike, I would like to say I

977
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: agree with you about I'm not going to dispute that one.

978
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: I think that Williams, Hill, Tomlinson and Lawrence would be

979
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: a very formidable front four, especially against the run. I

980
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: think they can get enough of a pass rush to

981
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: have some effect on what's going on. Now, you're not

982
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna have double digit sacks for many of those guys.

983
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: But if you line up that front four and then

984
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden on the edge as as the five, who

985
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: you know would then be coming forward out of a

986
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: stand up position. Personally speaking, I could see value in that.

987
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Where do you do with Ziminez in Carter, Well, you

988
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you if you go to the well,

989
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: if you go to the four three, that means then

990
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: I would play ogle Tree in the middle with Golden

991
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: and I would have Carter on the outside and Zimines

992
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: to me would be more of a situational player. I

993
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: would not give him regular snaps. Again, he's a rookie,

994
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: and unfortunately he has been more green this year than

995
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: the Giants had hoped. There. The Giants were in a

996
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: position where if they were going to compete this season,

997
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: they needed every guy from that rookie class to immediately

998
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: mature and give them significant production right away. As they

999
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: didn't do thousands seven when you were on the team.

1000
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: That didn't happen this year. It turned out that there

1001
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: were a few of these guys who were able to

1002
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: give them reasonably productive snaps. And then guys like DeAndre

1003
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: Baker who's learning on the fly and making a lot

1004
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: of mistakes. He'll tell you that, I mean, it is

1005
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: what it is. Zimm and Az another guy who he's green.

1006
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: And what you hope now is that the realistic goal

1007
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: is that within year two and year three they become

1008
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: important contributors to your team. But right now, as rookies,

1009
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: they're wrong. That's a lot of them, and there's a

1010
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: lot of them. I have one more thing to say,

1011
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna let you guys, um he said,

1012
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: And it is one of his interviews that he has

1013
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: he don't have talent, that he can't win, and anything

1014
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: like that. Who hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

1015
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you something. If you're if you're gonna

1016
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: make an accusation like that or a statement and suggesting

1017
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: that it's a fact, you gotta give me a footnote.

1018
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? I don't ever remember hearing

1019
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman say he does not have the talent to win.

1020
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: I do remember him saying that he's got more rookie

1021
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: snaps on this team than any other team in the NFL.

1022
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: And it is true that rookies are rookies and you're

1023
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: going to have to live with mistakes. That much is true.

1024
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: But but I think the statement that you just made

1025
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: is not accurate. Yeah, I don't think he's ever said that.

1026
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: I read it on the papers. I don't know. Well,

1027
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, I know, and that's that's not necessarily the

1028
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: best place to get the facts either. Okay, Well, you

1029
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: have a blessed one. Thank you you too, Thank you,

1030
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for you to appreciate it. Please call again, and

1031
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm sorry you're right. I mean, look

1032
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: at the snaps that these rookies are taking. I think

1033
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: it's like five hundred more snaps than the next team's rookies.

1034
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot. Look Um, I tried to

1035
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: tell people this right after the draft. The Giants were

1036
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: in a position where a they needed a media production

1037
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: and maturity out of the rookie class, which we've now

1038
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: discovered they did not get. You got it in two

1039
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: thousand seven, it was a rarity lightning. Lightning hit a

1040
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: bottle with that year and the entire rookie class contributed

1041
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: contributed to a super Bowl. Thank goodness for you. I mean,

1042
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: you ever loved those guys. In fact, I told every

1043
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: one of them that they needed to play really good

1044
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: in that in that in the Super Bowls and win

1045
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: that game for me because they were rookies. That was

1046
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: their first year. That was in my twentieth season. I mean,

1047
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: even think about this, Steve Smith, who was hurt most

1048
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: of the year, came up with a big catch on

1049
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: the game winning drive in the Super Bowl. I mean,

1050
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: if that was the only play he was going to

1051
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: make that year, that contribution by that rookie was an

1052
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: important factor in you getting your right. Look at the

1053
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: modd Broadshaw. I mean, look at these guys. Corey Webster,

1054
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about guys that stood up that

1055
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: with that game or that season, and they was already

1056
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: around a little while he was our but he was

1057
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: You're right, No, he was already around that. He had

1058
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: been actually benched earlier in the year. Yeah. But but

1059
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Speaker 1: my point is, you knew that the Giants rookie class

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Speaker 1: was going to have to advance quicker for them to

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Speaker 1: be competitive. It did not happen as you wanted. You

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Speaker 1: really wanted your one of your first rounders to really

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Speaker 1: and that's and that's DeAndre Baker. You wanted him to

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Speaker 1: play better than he did, right, I mean, Lord Lawrence

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Speaker 1: is pretty much I think he's pretty much met the

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Speaker 1: rookie barr. I think he's been good and has been good.

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Speaker 1: So two or of your three, two out of your three,

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Speaker 1: Baker's had a learning curve, have played pretty decently, and

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Speaker 1: then there's there's a drop off second third round. Those guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, they haven't played all what you wanted to play.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame, it really is. Because he was coming

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Speaker 1: on he was And the thing about Zim Andez. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's from both dominion. He's he's green. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that's gonna it's gonna take a while

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Speaker 1: for him to learn this game and the way to

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Speaker 1: play it. And specifically, he's gonna have to get more

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Speaker 1: power because I think he's got the other elemance Okay,

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Speaker 1: but at least he's got some experience playing in the

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Speaker 1: NFL now, so he'll know how to go get that

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Speaker 1: power in the offseason and put on a little book

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Speaker 1: and how to word. He's gonna have to be able

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Speaker 1: to use it all right now. The other thing that

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Speaker 1: I tried to tell people right after the draft is

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Speaker 1: that because so many of these rookies are going to

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00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: see so many snaps, okay, you're gonna have to build

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Speaker 1: in the fact that they're gonna make their share of mistakes.

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Speaker 1: The big question of the variable is how often will

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00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: those mistakes prove fatal? Because you can bust the coverage

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00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: as a rookie, and if the quarterback doesn't hit that

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Speaker 1: pass or doesn't have time to hit that pass, the

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00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: mistake didn't happen, right, And people think I should say

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00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: people think the mistake didn't happen, But it does, and

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00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. The Giants have had so many

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00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: of these young kids who have played the most rookie

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00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: snaps of anybody in the league, and more often than not,

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00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: those mistakes have been identified and taken advantage of by

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Speaker 1: the opposition. The Giants have paid from most of their

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00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: rookie mistakes that you've put on the field, and you

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Speaker 1: know what, that just happens. That's why the other team

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Speaker 1: gets paid. And listen, when you look at paid for

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Speaker 1: the rookie mistakes. Let's let's not be naive and say

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Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones fumbling problem hasn't cost this team a

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Speaker 1: lot of games. It has. The Baker's given up the

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00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: touchdown past last week in Chicago. Those things happen. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: what's what's happening with the mistakes and the maturity of

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Speaker 1: these young players is that it's also at the expense

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Speaker 1: of losing football games, which is, you know, sometimes cost

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Speaker 1: people jobs, sometimes cost people, you know, the team guys

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00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: get cut, things like that. So it's a tough line

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Speaker 1: to draw on this thing. It really is. It's a

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: difference between winning and losing is not that much in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, but it's you know, if you

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Speaker 1: have to say, if I had to say one thing

1114
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Speaker 1: about this team this year, it's turnovers. It's turnovers. Certainly

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: has been painful. That And if you go and look

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Speaker 1: at the top of the league and the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the league, the first five or probably eight team teams,

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Speaker 1: they're all going to the playoffs. I think we have

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Speaker 1: about a minute left before we go. So let me

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Speaker 1: just quickly ask you this, of all the rookies that

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Speaker 1: you played with over your very lengthy NFL career, which

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00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: guy was the most pro ready that as a rookie

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Speaker 1: he came in and you said, Wow, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: how good this guy is. How polished this guy is. Boy,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't make any mistakes. Have you ever seen one?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying that they really don't exist. They don't. I

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Speaker 1: think that you know one player and you're gonna know

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Speaker 1: who it is. And he was with the Cardinals years ago.

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Speaker 1: I remember Simeon Rice came in and this guy just

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: was I mean, he was vicious pass rushing, very very

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: good right away, and he was like, okay, you're you're

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Speaker 1: a little bit better than I think people think you're. Young. Boy,

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Speaker 1: did he give up against the run he never played

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Speaker 1: the run. He sold out on the pass rushing every

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Speaker 1: single time. Um. But I mean, if I had a

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Speaker 1: little bit more time, I could go through my career. People,

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00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: you can't. There were very few kinds there there. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's very few guys. I mean, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: players in the NFL. Every single year. You could pick

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00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: one or two on some teams that you just come

1141
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: out like where did this guy come from? Um? But

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: it's very rare there really is. I mean think about

1143
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: think about some of the rookies that make the Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl the first year. You know, I know, not very many.

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Speaker 1: The a lineman for the Colts from from Okay, he's

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00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: one guy that's like but you know what, even he

1147
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: made mistakes, even last year, he made mistakes. It happens

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,960
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