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Speaker 2: That is right, Fox Football Century.

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Speaker 3: Here on FSR, Kevin Figures Adam Austin with you guys

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Speaker 3: once again. Thank you guys for joining us like you

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Speaker 3: do each and every week.

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Speaker 2: Big show, I mean that this time it's not the

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Speaker 2: Conan O'Brien tonight, it's gonna be the best show ever.

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Speaker 2: It's a big show.

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Speaker 3: Why we got a really big show for you guys tonight,

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Speaker 3: Like well, I mean the problem is, even if it

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Speaker 3: were not a big show and it was an average show,

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Speaker 3: will we tell you that.

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Speaker 2: It's a big show because big show is coming on

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Speaker 2: from WWE. No, that would be nice. That's the only

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Speaker 2: way it qualifies as a big show for us. I'm

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Speaker 2: all for it. We literally have to have to have

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Speaker 3: Come not much into the ww Can I say, by

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Speaker 3: the way too, before we dive into some football and well, look,

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Speaker 3: we got a big show as you mentioned lined up

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radios own you're from salam I'm going to

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Speaker 3: join the show in the second hour to talk some

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Speaker 3: NFL with us.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to that. An expert, a guy who played

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Speaker 2: the game. Yes, got our NFL six pack coming up.

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Speaker 2: Our usual NFL six pack that may take six segments

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Speaker 2: to get That's okay, it takes six hours here. The

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Speaker 2: NFL is king for a reason.

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Speaker 3: Too on too often, a lot of other things to

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Speaker 3: get to on fn A on f SRBs that you

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Speaker 3: mentioned the Big Show.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me how big w W is now.

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Speaker 3: Like back in the day when I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: if you were into it, you were thought of as

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Speaker 3: a geek, a nerd, a dweeb insert what other derogatory

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Speaker 3: term you could.

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Speaker 2: A bugger picker in your parents' basements.

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Speaker 3: Which cheeto stains all over your T shirt and everything. Now,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Triple H is on ESPN doing

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Speaker 3: the rounds, and they got WWE specials, and all the

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Speaker 3: pay per views are on ESPN, and Russell Mania is

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Speaker 3: the lead story on Sports Center.

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Speaker 2: Is like, what is happening right now? And I was

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Speaker 2: pretty sure because I saw a documentary on this that

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Speaker 2: Vince McMahon, actually, you're fired. He was on the other

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Speaker 2: end of that. He's put himself through with the last

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Speaker 2: few years, to say the least. So now his daughter

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Speaker 2: is running things, Stephanie, along with Triple H, your husband,

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Speaker 2: the other ones who are in charge what about his son, Shane.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Shane is fully affiliated with it

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Speaker 3: as much these days. And again I don't follow it

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Speaker 3: as closely as I used to, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I know I know what was sold.

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Speaker 3: It's part of the same Conglomertion ownership of Conglomration as

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Speaker 3: UFC is, who also has a deal with ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Now Dan Whitson's KO. Yeah, I think it's called TKO

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Speaker 2: or something like that. So wait a second, if you're

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Speaker 2: betting on a UFC fight, does that make you a

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Speaker 2: dumb ass?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Because they're fixed, Because it's also affiliated with wrestling, I

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Speaker 2: would necessarily go that far.

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Speaker 3: I don't get to the UFC fights necessarily fixed. But

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Speaker 3: they're all under this general fighting umbrella. And I think

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Speaker 3: UFC and the ww where you're both are both owned

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Speaker 3: by the same company.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this. They really specialize in the steel cage

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Speaker 2: department in the UFC. It seems like every fight is

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Speaker 2: a steel cage fight. It does, it does all right?

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Speaker 2: Enough for the professional wrestling talk. Yeah, we gotta get

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Speaker 2: to Breeze birthday. Oh yes, let's bury the lead. That's

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Speaker 2: why it's a big show. Brebree is turning twenty five

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Speaker 2: for the fifth straight year. It's crazy. I thought it

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Speaker 2: was twenty two. But al right, okay, you remember that

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Speaker 2: joke from Kat Williams and this is which one? Can

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Speaker 2: we tell this on the air? I think so? Uh

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Speaker 2: he said, I'm on my fifth second chance. Bree's on

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Speaker 2: her fifth birthday where she turns twenty five because she's

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Speaker 2: not going to tell her age. I wouldn't tell my age,

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Speaker 2: so why would she? What you guys say something?

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Speaker 1: Bring?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, good.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm twenty five and a half though I just

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Speaker 5: moved up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday. Did you do it big on your birthday? There, Brie?

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Speaker 2: Like what I did?

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Speaker 5: I went to the Greek theater I saw taking back

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Speaker 5: Sunday and cohating Cambria, so definitely like channeled my two

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Speaker 5: thousand's Girl and Her Girl.

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Speaker 2: Which band's worse between those two? I'm sorry you can pay.

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Speaker 5: Fact Sunday was not as good as I pictured and

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Speaker 5: I had imagined.

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Speaker 2: Now, I bought Bria record for her birthday because.

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Speaker 5: You know what time he bought me that record.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, She's I buy her a gift and she still

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Speaker 2: has a problem with it. Somehow that's where we're.

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Speaker 5: At because my birthday was like three days ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry. Should I have gone down an hour

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Speaker 2: and a half in Pilgrim's Progress and the Oregon Trail

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Speaker 2: to Seal Beach where you live to deliver it?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that would have been way more meaningful than like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I'm actually going to this place. There's something there. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 5: it's like it's just convenience. My birthday was of convenience.

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Speaker 5: My birthday gift was of convenience.

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Speaker 2: If I went down there and just did the singing

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Speaker 2: telegram of singing happy birthday to you, would that be

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Speaker 2: more meaningful to get to actually watch you? Okay? The

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Speaker 2: or maybe a guilty pleasure for some. It was a

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Speaker 2: bon Jovie album, Yes it was, Yeah, the whole album.

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Speaker 2: It's a record and she ain't got a record player.

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Speaker 5: It's so exactly, So how exactly is that like meaningful

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Speaker 5: or like special other than the fact that it's bon

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Speaker 5: Jovi and I love her bon.

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Speaker 2: Jobe vintage sort of thing. You put the art up

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Speaker 2: on the wall or something like that. That's what I said,

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Speaker 2: thank you. I don't do that sort of thing for like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if that's what you're into

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Speaker 2: album art and all that. That's not uncommon. How is

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Speaker 2: this so hard to put together? Kevin cracked the code

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Speaker 2: real quick here, Brie, Oh my god, even if we

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Speaker 2: don't have a record player, you can still at least

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Speaker 2: look cool that you have a record People will be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's got cred. Now she's got an eighties bon Jobe album, right,

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Speaker 2: mit that have a nice day. Crap.

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Speaker 5: No, my phone case is bon Jovie cassettes on the ball,

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Speaker 5: So I'm already like vintage retro.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm already I'm fine, you have at player.

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Speaker 3: Vintage enough, Okay, My cassettes are like so like nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: You got to take it back a little bit further,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Thet they're forty five in

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Speaker 3: the mix. That was ax.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for the birthday acknowledgment. I appreciated. keV

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Speaker 5: texted me Happy birthday, so I was very she got.

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Speaker 2: It pretty ungrateful. Also, sounds like you appreciated it all.

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Speaker 3: I also said it to the other day when we

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Speaker 2: So the only reason we're even doing this right now

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Speaker 2: is to start. We're starting the show in the A

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Speaker 2: block giving Brie her birthday props when her birthday was

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Speaker 2: like three days ago. Now it's her birthday season at

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Speaker 2: this point, you know it's her birthday week or birthday month?

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Speaker 2: Tis the season to celebrate breeze birthday? Birthday week? Did

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Speaker 2: we cover? I think? So? Okay? Was that first off?

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Speaker 2: First off? Birthday? Let's go first off? My god, let's

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Speaker 2: row any NFL quarterbacks that had a birthday recently?

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Speaker 6: One of the headlines on the announcement to starting quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about birthdays, but there are sure a

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Speaker 3: hell of a lot of starting quarterbacks who are sitting

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Speaker 3: and we probably say this every year at them. By

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Speaker 3: Why are there so many starting quarterbacks are on the shelf?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean you look at Joe Burrow, who's out for

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Speaker 3: probably the entire season. I know they're trying to be

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Speaker 3: end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Well sell tickets as well. I mean, sure there's that.

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Speaker 2: I mean Cincinnati definitely needs to do that.

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Speaker 4: But J G.

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Speaker 3: McCarthy, brock party pretty much all all but Aial was

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Speaker 3: most likely not going to play on Sunday. Tyrod Taylor

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Speaker 3: the mix in place of Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 2: We already saw Mac Jones in for Brock Perdies mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, just a lot of quarterback injuries so far

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Speaker 3: to start the season. It's not I wouldn't say it's unprecedented,

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Speaker 2: The Madden ambulance that runs over players on its way

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Speaker 2: greatest video game clitches since ever?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a glitch. It was intentional.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely intentional.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, if it was a glitch, the ambulance would

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Speaker 3: just go right through the players says standing there. The

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Speaker 3: actual ambulance knocks guys over and they're like, I know.

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Speaker 2: Some of the old timers in the players Union has

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Speaker 2: had their gripes with the league, and maybe that's why

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Speaker 2: the ambulance kept running them over. It's like a bad

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Speaker 2: maybe not even bad. Did that happen in either of

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Speaker 2: the first two Naked Guns. It definitely happened in the

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Speaker 2: Simpsons before, where they're pulling Homer up from the bottom

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Speaker 2: of a cliff on a stretcher and knocking his head

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Speaker 3: He gets loaded into the back of the ambulance, the

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Speaker 3: the way back down the hill.

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Speaker 2: Again. Yeah, that was prime Simpsons, it was, you could say, now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many of these backup quarterbacks are

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Speaker 2: in their prime or prime to keep their teams afloat,

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Speaker 2: to keep them in a good enough positions where their

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Speaker 2: guys could eventually come back outside of Joe Burrow and

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Speaker 2: save them and still make the playoffs. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of guys currently in the league

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Speaker 2: that are leading the league in passing yards right now

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Speaker 2: that could be thought of or were as backups very recently,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, a lot of people would say

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson should be a backup at this point. He's

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Speaker 2: leading the league and passing yard. Look, if you played

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Speaker 2: against the cowboy deference every week, you would too, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: This goes back to the Micah Parsons conversation that we

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Speaker 2: seem to have every week. And it's not gonna stop

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones's number two.

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Speaker 3: You know Adams saw coming. Adam's preseason pick for MVP

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Speaker 3: was a wasn't it was Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 2: You're warm. I don't know about mvple bit. I said

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Speaker 2: redemption of arc story could be coming his way, and

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Speaker 2: I'm looking smart check once. That might be one of

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Speaker 2: my better calls, one of my only good calls. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying there's a chance somebody rises up and

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Speaker 2: This is just shade here on X from an NFL analyst,

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the most popular one that I can

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Speaker 3: Well, it's weird because I feel like the pendulum has

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Speaker 2: when he has a running game, which they could have there.

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Speaker 2: He's been a game manager, he's been competent. He's been

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Speaker 2: just good enough to get your offense moving. I don't

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Speaker 2: hate that Mariota. His best days they're long behind him.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it was his best day the first the

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Speaker 2: first game you ever played in the NFL. It was

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Speaker 2: him and Jamis Winston going head to head.

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Speaker 3: What did he throw four touchdowns in the first half

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Speaker 2: Little bit early, very early, like the first half of

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Speaker 2: downhill from there. Yeah. But some of these guys, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna find out a lot very soon, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: see which teams can make it through this level of

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Speaker 2: But how great is he?

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Speaker 2: I knew about the video pre Bree.

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Speaker 3: Is there a video of this? I don't even remember.

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Speaker 2: You were and I was dre and we both just butcher. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very much. So I thought we were gonna reverse it

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Speaker 2: Kevin Figures. I'm Adam Oslin still to come. We got

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get your take on this because you

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Speaker 2: Historic game in Los Angeles this evening Clayton Kershaw's last

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Speaker 2: start at least in the regular season for the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers. The best pitcher of his generation, Kevin four

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Speaker 2: I believe he win. Did give up a home run

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Speaker 2: on the second pitch of the ball game. Not the

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Speaker 2: best start, but he calmed down. Did it look like

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Speaker 2: he was telling the catcher I'm okay, I'm okay, everything's

518
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Speaker 2: fine because I'm gonna say his own teammates took him

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Speaker 2: out of his routine when they let him walk up

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Speaker 2: to the mound alone without his teammates behind him, so

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Speaker 2: he could have that special moment with the crowd up

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Speaker 2: and cheering, and Dodger Nation was cheering him on all

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Speaker 2: night long. And the Dodgers did end up winning by

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Speaker 2: a score of six to three over the hated ones

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Speaker 2: in the San Francisco Giants.

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Speaker 3: It was great to see one of the all time greats,

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, the greatest picture of his generation. We

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Speaker 3: can run down all of the accomplishments the over three

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Speaker 3: thousand strikeouts, the three side Youngs, the MVP Award, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you name it, the fact that he pitched as long

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Speaker 3: as he pitched and does he doesn't he have close

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Speaker 3: to one hundred losses.

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Speaker 2: What he has like seventy something in his career. He

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Speaker 2: might be like ninety six to be honest, Okay, but

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Speaker 2: who's counting. I mean under one hundred loss goodness for

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Speaker 2: eighteen years. I mean that's incredible. No, it's other worldly stuff.

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Speaker 2: It is mythical stuff that people fifty or one hundred

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Speaker 2: years from now will look back upon and say, how

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Speaker 2: did he do that? And we saw it all happen

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Speaker 2: live over the last eighteen seasons here with the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: uh June twenty two and ninety six as his record

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Speaker 2: the I mean that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he might be the only guy to have

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Speaker 2: over two hundred wins with under one hundred losses. There

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Speaker 2: are so many different accolades and records that he has

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Speaker 2: it's hard to keep track. And when you're the best

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Speaker 2: picture of your generation, that's going to be there. But

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Speaker 2: what's interesting about Clayton kershaw Is and people outside of

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles will certainly understand this part of the story

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Speaker 2: because they may have called him Peyton Kershaw at some

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Speaker 2: point or Clayton Manning because his postseason record and more importantly,

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Speaker 2: postseason era isn't as stellar. It's almost two run higher

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Speaker 2: at four and a half than his regular season era.

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Speaker 2: So in some ways it's a complicated case when you

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Speaker 2: try to frame his legacy. Now we're still saying best

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Speaker 2: picture of his generation in one of the all time

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Speaker 2: greatest pitchers. He's won the World Series twice. Some will

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Speaker 2: diminish the first one because it happened during the bubble

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and they only played sixty games. Some

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Speaker 2: will diminish the second one because he didn't even pitch

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Speaker 2: in the postseason. This is fair. I think he actually

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Speaker 2: did that at the celebration at Dodger Stadium, saying I

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Speaker 2: didn't even do anything, but I'm.

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Speaker 3: Still getting emotional here, the backup fourth streen catcher who

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Speaker 3: caught like four innings. If they played for a for

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Speaker 3: a World Series team, they end up getting a ring.

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Speaker 3: Clayton Kersher all, he's pitch at some point last year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so so he earned himself a World Series ring

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Speaker 2: even if he didn't pitch in the postseason, and given

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Speaker 2: his age, he's had a really good year for this Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: excellent year all things considered his injury history. We don't

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Speaker 2: know what his role will be in the playoffs. Likely,

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Speaker 2: if anything, he's coming out of the bullpen for maybe

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Speaker 2: some long relief here in there, because the Dodgers win healthy.

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Speaker 2: Do have an embarrassment of riches. If you didn't know,

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Speaker 2: they're the Yankees of the West Coast now. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the Yankees have complained about them recently, saying we don't

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Speaker 2: have the means to spend like the Dodgers. Most ridiculous

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Speaker 2: things I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 3: But that's a different arguer for a different day when

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Speaker 3: you talk about MLB and salary caps and big market

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Speaker 3: teams complaining about other big market teams. But it does

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Speaker 3: beg the question because when you talk about a certain

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Speaker 3: player's legacy and whether or not they're one of the

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Speaker 3: all time greats. I know, I said before the tees,

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Speaker 3: you know one of the all time greats is retiring.

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Speaker 2: But is he that great?

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Speaker 3: Obviously he is, but there's a certain number of people

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Speaker 3: who will say, well, you didn't get it done in

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Speaker 3: the postseason, and to your point, he does have two

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Speaker 3: World Series rings.

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Speaker 2: But if you're one of those players who didn't.

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Speaker 3: Necessarily perform at the highest at the highest of your

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Speaker 3: abilities in the playoffs, then everything else you did leading

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Speaker 3: up to that is insignificant. And I've always felt that

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Speaker 3: was completely and totally ridiculous because you're talking about an

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Speaker 3: entire body of work when talking about whether someone has

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Speaker 3: had a phenomenal career. So if a guy is able

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Speaker 3: to dominate for twenty seasons throughout the regular season, and

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Speaker 3: he had, the problem is too even as high as

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Speaker 3: postseason ro is, he had some really, really really bad

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Speaker 3: outings that over inflated that ra to a certain degree.

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Speaker 2: Sure, he was.

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Speaker 3: Probably decent, I would say the majority of his outings

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Speaker 3: in the postseason, albeit not dominant, But you have a

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Speaker 3: handful of bad starts to inflate your numbers, and all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden you're thought of as a giant choke

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Speaker 3: artist in the postseason, and for some people that takes

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Speaker 3: away and diminishes anything that you did in the regular

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Speaker 3: season because to them, and I think especially in today's

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Speaker 3: Twitter world, instant reaction hot take, did you win a championship?

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Speaker 3: What did you do in the postseason is literally all

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Speaker 3: that matters. And I don't know if that's necessarily fair.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely and this is overused in sports and everything,

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Speaker 2: but a bit of a roar shack test. You can

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Speaker 2: look at Clayton Kershaw and you could see the greatest

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Speaker 2: picture of his generation, or you can see a guy

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Speaker 2: that came up short too often in the biggest moments,

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Speaker 2: to the point where Clayton Kershaw has acknowledged that it's

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Speaker 2: been a bumpy ride at times, and I've always appreciated

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Speaker 2: that about him. He is a perfectionist. He is his

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Speaker 2: own worst critic out there. In twenty nineteen when he

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Speaker 2: blew up and lost that Game five against the Nationals,

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Speaker 2: who went on to win the World Series, but the

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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: Dodgers were favorites in that series and it was on

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Speaker 2: him coming in in relief, and he knew it. He

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Speaker 2: owned it. He didn't run and hide. He faced the music.

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Speaker 2: He's always done that. So if you talk about him

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Speaker 2: as a man, him as a competitor, him as a professional,

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Speaker 2: he is up there with the rarefied air of somebody

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Speaker 2: like Yes, Sandy Kofax. It's different. Eras are different. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to compare guys that are thirty forty years apart

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Speaker 2: like this. But kershaw really in the modern era is

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Speaker 2: that great?

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Speaker 3: Well, just the general discussion of how someone's legacy is

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Speaker 3: affected by what they do in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: I'll pose this question to you as the Giant fan. Okay,

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Speaker 2: would you.

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Speaker 3: Rather be Clayton kersh All with all of the regular

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Speaker 3: season accolades and albeit he did win two World Series

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Speaker 3: at some points in his career?

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Speaker 2: Would you rather be that? Or would you rather be

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Speaker 2: Madison Bumgarner pop quiz hot show you never really had

645
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Speaker 2: a great regular season ever in his career, but never

646
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Speaker 2: even sniffed a cy Young. Hey, but well, I'm just

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Speaker 2: being honest.

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Speaker 3: But when the playoffs hit for those that every other

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Speaker 3: year run that the San Francisco Giants won a World

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Speaker 3: Series was as as dominant a postseason performance that a

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Speaker 3: starting pitcher can never have.

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Speaker 2: He's the best World Series pitcher since Sandy Kofax. His

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Speaker 2: era is that low in the World Series in the

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Speaker 2: biggest moments. It's insane.

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Speaker 3: Are you placing more value on the guy that was

656
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: consistently great over an eighteen year career though came up

657
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: short at times in the postseason or a guy who

658
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: was just good decent in the regular season but lights

659
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: out in the playoffs and won himself three rings.

660
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: So Clayton Kershaw's postseason era I believe is four point

661
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: four to nine. His regular season is about two point

662
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: five zero. Madison bum Garner's postseason era is two point

663
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: one one. It's almost under two. And you're wondering, Okay,

664
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: what about sample size? How many starts? Is fourteen games

665
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 2: started during that time and did his best work, as

666
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: I mentioned, in the World Series, and did it on

667
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: short rest. The twenty fourteen World Series was what I

668
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: called the unstoppable force meets in a movable object. World

669
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: Series was the Giants versus the Kansas City Royals. It

670
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: went seven games. He came out of the pen I

671
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: think in the sixth or seventh and closed that out

672
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: in dramatic fashion. It was insane and it cemented him

673
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: as one of the all time clutch players really in

674
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: sports history. Now that being said, I gotta answer the question.

675
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: Yes, that's all well and good, and that's phenomenal.

676
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: The question you answer it, I can't handle the truth.

677
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I will admit it. I can't handle the truth, I think,

678
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: and people are gonna say this is biased because I'm

679
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: from NorCal I think I might rather be mad bum.

680
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

681
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: He won three World Series as one of the horses.

682
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: The first time around, it was either his rookie year

683
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: or his second year, and it was still a lot

684
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: of Matt Kain, it was Tim lint Tocome, But those

685
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: second two, and especially the one in twenty fourteen, it's

686
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: just it's god tears stuff in the postseason from him.

687
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And I've asked certain athletes this in

688
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: the past about, you know, would you rather be in

689
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame for having a phenomenal career and

690
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: not winning a championship, or would rather win one and

691
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: just be a decent backup or something. The majority of

692
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: them end up saying I would rather be a Hall

693
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: of Famer and never win a championship because I know

694
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: I put my best out there.

695
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm a creature of habit.

696
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: I did well through football sixteen seventeen games Major League Baseball.

697
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: However many starts or how many games that you would

698
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: play if I did everything in my power and played

699
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: as well as I possibly could to help my team

700
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: win as often as I possibly could, and left it

701
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: all out there, then I could be comfortable with the career.

702
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: That I had. Team sport, but in baseball in particular,

703
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: there's individual battles going on within a team sport.

704
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: More than any other team sports. It's all individual. It's

705
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: an individual battle.

706
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and as a pitcher, you have so much, say yep,

707
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 2: in the outcome of the ball game. I'll throw that

708
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: same question back at you. Are you going with Kershaw

709
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: over mad Moum? Would you rather have Kershaw's career thousand percent?

710
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: One thousand percent?

711
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: I would absolutely rather be the guy who was consistent

712
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: every single year route and thoroughly dominant throughout the entirety

713
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: of my career. Other than Look, Kurt Shilling is another

714
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: one of those guys who had a really good regular

715
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: seasons and dominant. Never as dominant as Madison Bumgarner.

716
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Obviously it was PRETTYMN good.

717
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but known as a guy who would lock you down.

718
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: Would it matter at most in the playoffs?

719
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: Should have been a Hall of Famer? Yeah, it won't

720
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: get in for the wrong reasons, like because people are bitter,

721
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: or's politics or whatever. There's just no way.

722
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: But I mean, there was an argument that even for

723
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: his regular seasons generally were not Hall of Fame worthy

724
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: the most.

725
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: Part his postseason stuff in two thousand and one with

726
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: the Diamondbacks and the Bloody Sock with the Red Sox

727
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: getting them over the hunt. Here's thousand and four.

728
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: Is Madison Bumgarner hall of Famer based simply on what

729
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: he did in the postseason because I would say his

730
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: career resume, generally speaking, but would not measure up to.

731
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: That of a Hall of Famer? Probably not. But Kurt

732
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: Shilling's regular season was good enough. I think if you

733
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: combined it, played longer, he had more longevity than Madison

734
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: Bumgarner did. Their eras, I think are pretty similar in

735
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: the regular season at around three and a half, they're comparable,

736
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: But Kurt Shilling just had more moments out there on

737
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: the mound where you could compile enough numbers to be

738
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: in that conversation there. But I got one more question

739
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: for you, because you kind of brought this conversation up

740
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: in a roundabout way where you can go into other sports.

741
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: So would you rather be Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley

742
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: than Robert Horry. Robert Horry has seven rings, role player,

743
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: big moments in the playoffs that certainly contributed to those

744
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: rings versus guys who were lead dogs but never won it.

745
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably rather be the lead dog who

746
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: never won it, to be honest with you, that's fair.

747
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be.

748
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: I worked my ass ought to be the best player

749
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: that I possibly could be, and maybe I ended up

750
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: coming up short. But it wasn't based on my lack

751
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: of effort, on my lack of trying. Things ultimately just

752
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: didn't work out, but I ended up being one of

753
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: the greatest. Now look, people are arguing whether or not

754
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: Robert Orriy should be a Hall of Famer based on

755
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: how much he was, how big of a winner that

756
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: he was. And now granted, he was also an important

757
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 3: piece to all those championship teams too.

758
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: He wasn't just riding the bench. You can't collect the

759
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: NBA story without him collecting rings, so there's that part

760
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: of it too.

761
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: He would be a role player or a Hall of

762
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: Famer despite the fact that he was a role player.

763
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: I'll be at a very high level one, but I

764
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: still think the bar with the NBA Hall of Fame,

765
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Basketball Hall of Fame. I guess technically there

766
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: is a NBA all of them, but are we sure

767
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: he's not in now, I'm like, how is he not

768
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: in it? If Metal Ark women can make the Basketball

769
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, how can Arbor Mac had five good

770
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: years and he's in it where he was actually healthy?

771
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: All right?

772
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: Broadcasting from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. It is fn

773
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: A on FSR, Kevin Figures and Adam Olson with you.

774
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: Coming up next, we have geek news and it sounds

775
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: like Adam wants to really tick me off with this one.

776
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: My Anaconda, don't want none. That's Kevin up next here

777
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: on FNA on FSR, FNA Cotton.

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782
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783
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784
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,359
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785
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: with you guys on Fox Football Saturday. Adam, let's get

786
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: to it. Just to replay death here live on the

787
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: air on Fox Sports Radio.

788
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: No, we're all fine here, I'm sure it didn't just

789
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: totally die if everything's perfectly all right. Now, we're fine.

790
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: We're all fine here now, thank you.

791
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: Now?

792
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: Did I sabotage your machine because you were about to

793
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: talk about a movie that I'm gonna hate?

794
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 4: No?

795
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: Probably, yes, probably I probably did. Look. We enjoy talking

796
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: movies and geek news and creature features or monster movies

797
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite genres, whether you're talking about

798
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: Godzilla or Jaws, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Gremlins, Alligator, Sharknado,

799
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: Sharknato two on the nose for me in some ways

800
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: like they're in on it too much, and even they're

801
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: trying to make it intentionally bad. I like when people

802
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: try to make something good and it just ends up

803
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: being bad. Lake Acid, creep Show, Predator, you could say,

804
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: is one. I even like the low level beam movies

805
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: you might see on sci Fi, like Five Headed Shark

806
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: Attack or Python versus Boa Raptor with Eric Roberts. He's

807
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: in the Fox Sports radio producer Eric Roberts. I didn't

808
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: know about. It's a different aircraft. He's been in a

809
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: lot of movies. I didn't know he was also doing

810
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: some radio stuff. See he couldn't beat his sister Julia

811
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Roberts when it comes to quality, so he went for quantity.

812
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna beat her in volume. He's actually in like

813
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: nine hundred films out there. It's crazy, and the only

814
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: good one I can think of is The Dark Knight

815
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: that has Eric Roberts in it. But okay, best of

816
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: the best is also good. A karate flick with him

817
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: that doesn't involve Cobra Kai. But speaking of snakes, Cobra Kai.

818
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: I just saw a new preview that just dropped for

819
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: a new Anaconda movie that's dropping this Christmas, So be

820
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: careful when you reach into that stocking. Kevin like snakes?

821
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: Why did it have to be snakes?

822
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: It's a reboot, but not just any reboot. It's a

823
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: movie about making an Anaconda reboot by two big fans

824
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: of the original. I'm out. That was quick one of

825
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: the dumbest things I've ever heard of. Hold on, It's

826
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: got Paul Rudd and Jack Black. Everybody loves Jack Black, right,

827
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: all right, there's a strong comedy element here. Well, I

828
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: think that's pastaking the obvious. Considering who the two stars are,

829
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of metahumor.

830
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: I guess I'm mildly intriguing now based on the fact

831
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: that we have run Jack Black in here.

832
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: It's being done by a director who did a good

833
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: movie called Unbearable Weight of being a massive talent. It's

834
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: a comedy with Nick Cage playing Nick Cage. It also

835
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: has Pedro Pascal in it, who's like in everything now.

836
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: He's trying to chase down Eric Roberts for being in

837
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: more movies than him. But people are upset that they're

838
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: making a new Anaconda and they're doing so and making

839
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: it into a comedy when even though the original may

840
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: seem funny when you look back upon it now, and

841
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: also it had Owen Wilson in it, which is really

842
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: weird to think about. You look at some of the

843
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: casts in the nineties, Owen Wilson's and Anaconda not a comedy.

844
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughan is in Jurassic Park, Lost World not a comedy.

845
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: These guys just show up out of nowhere. Now. I

846
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on here, because the original was

847
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: scary for its time. John Void getting Eden and then

848
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: regurgitated its and winking at j Lo that was horrifying.

849
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: But fans are expressing their displeasure on the two and

850
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: a half minute trailer that recently dropped.

851
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 3: So these are anacon to diehards they exist, I don't

852
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: think that existed, to be honest with you.

853
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: They're saying this is disrespecting the legacy of the franchise.

854
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Never mind the three sequels and one of them has

855
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: David Hasselhoff in it. These are straight to DVD or

856
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: straight to streaming sequels. Yeah, but it does feel a

857
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: little bit like, I don't know Jack Black's in it.

858
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: It feels like the New Jumanji type of tone. You remember, guys,

859
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I remember that. Yeah, I didn't love the tone in

860
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: the trailer of this either. It's too funny, like but

861
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: not that funny. It's trying to be funny, it's not

862
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: that funny, trying too hard. Basically, So they're gonna undercut

863
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: every dramatic scene like a Marvel movie where you have

864
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: to have a quip that takes away some of the drama.

865
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: You know, is that type of thing. But if I'm

866
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: feeling lonely on Christmas when the new Anaconda comes out,

867
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: I may not be able to help myself.

868
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: You know, I've done a total one eighty on this.

869
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: I think I'm actually gonna be into this. You're in

870
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah for someone who look Anaconda was okay for what

871
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: it was when it came out, but let's all be honest,

872
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: it was a pretty terrible movie.

873
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: I saw it in theaters, wow, And I did like

874
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: it at the time, but I was very young.

875
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: My guess is ice Cube has nothing to do with

876
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: this particular version of the nor his son.

877
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. As long as they don't use the Nicki

878
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: Minaj's song that samples Sir mix a lot.

879
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: You know it is will be okay. You know that

880
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: song is gonna be in there the new Anaconda, look

881
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: for it. The FNA six pac coming up next here

882
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: fn A on FSR.

883
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Please don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

884
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: It's FNA on FSR. Welcome back in. I'm Adam Oslin.

885
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: He is k Fig gonna be with you guys here

886
00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. Still to come. He from salom

887
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: our coworker here at Fox will join us to talk

888
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: about the.

889
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: NFL thirteen year NFL VET played on that wild NFC

890
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: Championship winning Atlanta Falcon team in ninety eight that knocked

891
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 3: out the fourteen and two Vikings who had the missed

892
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: field goal from what was it was that Gary Anderson

893
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: back then it was who had not missed a field

894
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: goal the entire season.

895
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: It's true we were in field gory. That was a

896
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 2: pretty long field goal if I remember correctly. I honestly

897
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: think no fan base in the NFL has been through

898
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: more hell than the Minnesota Vikings. You know my stance

899
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: on this, because there's teams that just have never even

900
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: gotten there. I've never gotten close. I'm looking at the Browns,

901
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Detroit, the Vikings. They have tasted a

902
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: lot of sour without the suite. They have been right

903
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: on the doorstep of greatness, and stuff like that happened

904
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: where we would have gotten Broncos versus Vikings and Randy

905
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: Moss's rookie season with Randall Cunningham. That was the super Bowl.

906
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Everybody won, Thanks Garry Anderson exactly.

907
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Ephram Salam, who was a rookie

908
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 3: on the Atlanta Falcon team. Obviously, our coworker here also

909
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: at Fox Sports Radio, will get all into the NFL.

910
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, right now, Adam, you and

911
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 3: I will get into the NFL on our favorite weekly segment.

912
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: Time for the NFL six pack. All right, our first

913
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: category is pretty hot heat check. There you go, Mark,

914
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: Thank you pretty self explained it. So our hot seat

915
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: heat check. Who's under the most pressure this weekend? Coach

916
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: player team? What do we got, Adam? You know last

917
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: week I put Bryce Young under the hot seat and

918
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: he failed me once again, coming up short in the

919
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: game and in his height that I knew you were

920
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: going to take a shot at that. It's just so

921
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: unnecessary I have to he can't see over the offensive line.

922
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: I almost don't blame him. It's genetics that are holding

923
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: him back. I blame the Panthers for thinking he'd be

924
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: okay being that short. In the NFL. They had a

925
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: fake comeback in Arizona against the Cardinals. They made it

926
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: close and I think ended up covering in that game late.

927
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: I will continue to apply heat on the Panthers and

928
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: Bryce maybe all season if I have to, because I'm

929
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: not right about much. But I was out on him

930
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: midway through his first game in his NFL career, and

931
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: to prove how concerned I was with that Panthers Bears

932
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: trade back in twenty twenty three, I pulled audio from

933
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: the Old f and a podcast from October sixteenth of

934
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, during the Old six Pack, and I

935
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: went in hard and I foretold correctly. I prophesied what

936
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: would happen to the Panthers franchise had they brought in

937
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: Bryce Young and let him be their starter. Listen to this,

938
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: This is all real. In no way am I exaggerating

939
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: or overstating things when I tell you my Panthers may

940
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: never return in my lifetime. And the deal they made

941
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: with the Bears to move up and draft Bryce Young

942
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: maybe looked at as the worst traits as the Vikings

943
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: were fleeced by the Cowboys for herschel Walker. Giving up

944
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: DJ Moore two first jound picks, two seconds round picks

945
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: to move up and draft Bryce Young is criminal. The

946
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: Bears rob us blind. Speaking of blind, Bryce Young, who

947
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: I truly believe is shorter than Doug Flutie, might as

948
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: well be Sandra Bullock in bird box behind the O

949
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: line because he can't see either. This said Carolina back

950
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: twenty five years. A generation of fans will pass through

951
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: this era like ghosts through the walls. Panthers fans are

952
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: entering a horror show every time they turn on the

953
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: game or just walk into bank of America Stadium or

954
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: just any Bank of America period. It's like the Lions

955
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: franchise has switch places with us. They look competent for once,

956
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 2: while we're about to miss the playoffs for the next

957
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: two decades straight. All this, mind you, while the NFC

958
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: South is down and right for the picking. But the

959
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: only place the Panthers will be picking is high in

960
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: the draft, at least after twenty twenty four, since the

961
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: Bears still have our pick next season, Panthers fans are

962
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: entering football hell, the one in fifteen season in two

963
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: thousand and one, not quite football hell, since we got

964
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Julius Peppers afterwords. This team could try to win every

965
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: week and would still go oh to seventeen. I was

966
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: out on Bryce Young halfway through game one this season.

967
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 2: I can't take any more at this. He's never gonna

968
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: have it. He's too short, he can't do it. I'm sorry,

969
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: it's over. He's slight a frame. He looks like a puncher.

970
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: You tell me where I was wrong. Cut yourself off

971
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: because you kept on going there. Apparently, how did you

972
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: take a punter?

973
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Did you take that pressI Insto Vegas and take the

974
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: under on victories for Carolina in the last couple of.

975
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: Seasons, because that's all I know. You're really committed to

976
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: saying what you were saying right there and really believed it.

977
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: My only mistake, yeah, exactly, but that's why you know

978
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: what you said.

979
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: They were gonna be worse than that one in fifteen,

980
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: there were two and fifteen and twenty twenty three. All right, Adam,

981
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 3: you sold them short of victory.

982
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: All right, all right, take the l there, but they're

983
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: gonna take a lot more l's moving forward, including probably

984
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: this weekend when they host the Atlanta Falcons, who look

985
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: pretty good so far and are coming off a big

986
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: Monday Night victory over the Minutes. It was that Monday

987
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Night or Sunday Night primetime victory over the Minnesota Vikings.

988
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I was out early. I was on

989
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: the right side of history with Bryce Young back in

990
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty three. I knew where this was headed,

991
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: all right, Kevin. So my hot seat heat check will

992
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: remain on Bryce Young. It's eternal. What do you got?

993
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: This guy can't get much hotter. It's just gonna melt

994
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: into the seat.

995
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm gonna go to our guy Eloy

996
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: and Compton who's been tweeting us this this morning tonight, Oh,

997
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: talking about the Kansas City Chiefs and say, hey, they've

998
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: had injuries and this is why the offense isn't working.

999
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: And if Travis Kelsey hadn't dropped that pass against Philadelphia,

1000
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: and if this, and if the touch push you give

1001
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: me a lot of ifs right now, ELOI and I

1002
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: get it. And by the way, I still believe the

1003
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs are gonna end up making the postseason.

1004
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: I set this, Eloy, when you got into it with

1005
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: me that I think the very first or second week

1006
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: that we even did this show at him when I

1007
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: said the Chiefs were not gonna win the AFC West

1008
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: and the Chargers were.

1009
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: You said this early in the preseason. Yeah, I set

1010
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: the Chargers will still be a good team. They'll still

1011
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: be a playoff team, and if things break their way,

1012
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: they can still make a run to the Super Bowl.

1013
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: But they are no longer the dominant for us they

1014
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: once were. My hot seat heat check is for this

1015
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: Kansas City offense. Granted, nobody's getting fired, nobody's getting traded,

1016
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: but if they're going to make some noise, it's gonna

1017
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: be against this New York Giant team that a lot

1018
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: of people thought, Hey, really good upfront. Defensively hasn't really

1019
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: shown itself so much this season, so much so that

1020
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: the Cowboys lit them up like a Christmas tree last year. Granted,

1021
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: the Cowboys really good offense, good healthy quarterback, good wide receivers,

1022
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: and I know the Kansas City Chiefs have some guys

1023
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: who are banged up. Xavier Worthy is questionable after separating

1024
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: his shoulder in sal Polo.

1025
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: We'll see if he'll get back here soon.

1026
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: Even with a hobbled offensive corps, Kansas City should be

1027
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: able to make some sort of hay against the New

1028
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: York Giants this coming Sunday night.

1029
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: Can you score more than twenty? Do they have a

1030
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: governor on their offense where they can't score more than

1031
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: twenty points anymore? They have to. I think they're gonna win.

1032
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: There's no way Russell Wilson goes back into the time

1033
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: machine again and throws some four hundred yards, especially if

1034
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: it's his Chiefs defense. I think Steves Magnola will have

1035
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: some for him. But I do think the Chiefs is

1036
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: this is not a game the Kansasity Chiefs needs to

1037
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: win thirteen to ten. This needs to be like a

1038
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: thirty one to seventeen. Our offense is still here. Patrick

1039
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: Mahomes is still one of the best quarterbacks in the

1040
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: entire NFL.

1041
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: Talent around them, be damned. Convince us.

1042
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: Convince us that you're still that team. Convince us that

1043
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: you're still a super Bowl contender, and that you're the

1044
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: class of the AFC. Because if you lose, even if

1045
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: you win in unconvincing fashion in primetime against the New

1046
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: York Giants, I might go out on a limb and say,

1047
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: you know what, I'll take back what I said. The

1048
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 3: Chiefs are not making the postseason this year.

1049
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean if they start oh to three, I think

1050
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: if you start oh to two, you only have a

1051
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: twelve percent chance of making. Yeah, the postseason.

1052
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think they lose to the Giants, even

1053
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: if they play play poorly. But I think you have

1054
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: to be able to come out and make a statement.

1055
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: So I'll put that Kansas City Chiefs offense on the

1056
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: hot seat. If not now, then win. You better do

1057
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: it against the New York Giants this weekend.

1058
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to our next category here, Mark

1059
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: tramp game tap I'm really patting myself on the back here.

1060
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: I told you all about Danny Dimes before it was

1061
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: cool that what this is gonna be. I told you

1062
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: about Daniel Jones. I said, I like the move naming

1063
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: him the starter over Anthony Richardson in the preseason. I

1064
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: said he was gonna have a redemption season, and by

1065
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: some metrics, he's the highest rated quarterback in the league

1066
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: to start the year off. It's true, it's early, but

1067
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 2: it's true. I mean, you did it against the diver

1068
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: Bronco defense. It's prett damn good. He's one of two

1069
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks completing seventy percent of his attempts so far this

1070
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: season with zero turnovers. Do you want to give me

1071
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: the other one?

1072
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: Here?

1073
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: Kevin pop quiz hot shot.

1074
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: This guy Allen, not Josh Allen, but this guy, like

1075
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: Josh Allen has some hardware, different type of hardware, and

1076
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: he got it recently. I'm drawing a blank. Jalen hurts.

1077
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: Jalen hurts. He ain't turned the ball over either. Dan

1078
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: also throws the ball four times a game, so this

1079
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: is true. To push is in effect, and so are

1080
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: a lot of false starts that aren't being called. But

1081
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: Danny Dimes. He's second in passing yards on the season,

1082
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier, behind Russell Wilson. Okay, that's not

1083
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: great company, but he has a better passer rating than

1084
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, more touchdowns than Josh Allen so far, who

1085
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: many have as a front runner for MVP. Again, as

1086
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: you should be. The Colts are the first team in

1087
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl era to not punt in either of

1088
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: their first two games of the season. Danny Dimes is

1089
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: keeping that offense on track.

1090
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: I may consider like the greatest show on turf. Can't

1091
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: even boast that sort of thing any All of Peyton

1092
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: Manning's phenomenal offense is an indie didn't do that.

1093
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: I will say this though, both games so far were

1094
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: at home, and they won that game against the Broncos

1095
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: on a leverage penalty. Season Sure, the Colts this weekend

1096
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: are playing the Titans, but it's on the road, and

1097
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: you know the Titans. They lost to the Broncos, but

1098
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: kept it close. They didn't keep it as close as

1099
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: we were hoping against the Rams. This pass well, well,

1100
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: they did for the majority of the game, and then

1101
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: the Rams got scored too late touchdown else to pull away.

1102
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: I just would be a little bit hesitant to think

1103
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: this is going to be a sure win or an

1104
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: easy win for the Colts, even though they're two to zero.

1105
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: Even as good as Danny Dimes has looked, the Titans

1106
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: are desperate for a win and this is a new

1107
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: test for the Colts on the road with this newfound

1108
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: confidence from their starting quarterback. This feels like a little

1109
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: bit of a trap game, you could say. And that's

1110
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: why I got it in this category to where I

1111
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: don't know Danny Dimes, who they're calling Indiana Jones, might

1112
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: have to avoid some booby traps so he doesn't fall

1113
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: into a snake pitch. This is my trap game, tap,

1114
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: who do you got? I'm going with the Buccaneers at

1115
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 2: home against the Jets.

1116
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: Now you might think I'm crazy, but you know, Adam,

1117
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 3: you won't because you actually gave Tyrod Taylor some props

1118
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: in the first segment of the show.

1119
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, but I'm crazy.

1120
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 3: So thirty six year old journeyman backup just to fields

1121
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: obviously out, but I do think this could be a

1122
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: potential slip up game for Tampa. They had a big

1123
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: come back victory on Monday against Houston. Have a short

1124
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: week obviously, I don't want to undersell the ability of

1125
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: someone like Tyron Taylor, who's not some bum out there

1126
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: you mentioned if he has a running game, he's a

1127
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: very competent backup quarterback.

1128
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: He's capable. Yeah.

1129
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: So you know, Houghston's offense still trying to figure itself

1130
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: out now in week one in Atlanta's still adjusting to

1131
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: have to shuffle their offensive line. I think the Jets

1132
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: have good offensive weapons, they just need someone who can

1133
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: get their playmakers the ball. And I think that's we

1134
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: talked about Justin Fields and his inconsistency. You don't know

1135
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get on a weekend week out, basically.

1136
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 2: Had him under the microscope last week, rightfully. So yeah,

1137
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: and what do we see a microscope that uh cracked

1138
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: dog belief turned into a kaleidoscope exactly.

1139
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: So Tampa, no doubt, very good defensively, but I think

1140
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: the Jets with Tyron Taylor can make them work here

1141
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: a little bit. So not to mention, Tampa has a

1142
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: big litmus test against the Eagles coming up next week,

1143
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: so this can be a little bit of a look

1144
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: ahead game for them against the Jet team that's not

1145
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: playing well, that has a backup quarterback in there. I

1146
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 3: would not be surprised at all if the Jets gave

1147
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers a run for the money. So that's my

1148
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: trap game. Tap Buccaneers at home against the Jets.

1149
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: That's a good call. We've only gotten through two categories.

1150
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: We still have four more to go in the NFL

1151
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: six pack. But coming up next E from Salam, our

1152
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: coworker here at Fox Sports Radio, who cares about the

1153
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: non players like us? We need to hear about a

1154
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: veteran like him? Did it thirteen years in the NFL?

1155
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: E from Salam Coming up next here on Fox Sports Radio.

1156
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: It's FNA on FSR.

1157
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,200
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1158
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1159
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1160
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1161
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1162
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1170
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1171
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: Fox Football Saturday. Coming up in about twenty minutes or so,

1172
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: we we'll dive back into our NFL six spec but

1173
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 3: coming up right now, we will talk NFL Week three

1174
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: with a former NFL veteran and now current Fox Sports

1175
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 3: Radio host.

1176
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: Let's get to it. Adam Alan drinking dead.

1177
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 6: Thank you, Donny.

1178
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: Well, we're joined by one of the good guys. How

1179
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: do I know that? Because he's originally from Sacramento, my

1180
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: beautiful hometown, someplace warm where the beer flows like wine,

1181
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: and our guest his age like fine wine. In his career,

1182
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: going from playing football at the highest level in the

1183
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: NFL for thirteen years to now talking the game at

1184
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: the highest level here on Fox Sports Radio with Mark

1185
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: Willard on Sundays, it's sack Town's Finest e from Salam

1186
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: joining us here on FNA on FSR.

1187
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: E from how we doing, I'm good by the back

1188
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 4: count all day.

1189
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: Man, Let's go. I won six in the house hold

1190
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: on because I remember working with you some years ago

1191
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: from at the network when I was anchoring, and maybe

1192
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. You're a Laker fan though, aren't you? What

1193
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 2: I thought? So absolutely, yeah, I got mister cow Bell

1194
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: Adam over here, mister Sacramento Kings, waving that flag all

1195
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: day long. I just want to make all day okay,

1196
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure what make sure? We said,

1197
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know.

1198
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 4: I grew up in Inglewood before I moved the Sack.

1199
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: My formative years were in Sacramento Junior High, High School,

1200
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: all of that. So I became who I am because

1201
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: of Sacramento when I lived down the street from the farm.

1202
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 4: And so let's not get that. You know, in the eighties,

1203
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 4: so you already know what that is.

1204
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I have no issue with the showtime Lakers. My

1205
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: beef is with Shaq and Kobe and Tim Donahey in

1206
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: the early two thousands.

1207
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: Really, so oh, here we go, exactly, yeah, he's one

1208
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: of tho.

1209
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: Hey, you know what I was at those games. I

1210
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: was at those games go back Jersey, and people hated me,

1211
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 4: and that was a rivalry. My wife was cheered. My dad,

1212
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: who of course lived in Sack, and my wife were

1213
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 4: teaming up against me. To cheer for the Sacramento Kings.

1214
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: We almost got divorced.

1215
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: Damn well, it's the greatest show on court. I mean,

1216
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: how could you not cheer for that team? He lot

1217
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: is thicker than than the Larry O'Brien trophy. Come on, now,

1218
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: supposed to be at least all right, let's move on

1219
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: before I get more upset here, because I don't want

1220
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: to relive those memories, those bad memories. He from ought

1221
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: to go back, not as far as the year two thousand,

1222
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: but just Thursday night with the Dolphins losing again, although

1223
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: they did play well overall, but tu had another bad

1224
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: pick late. They're zero to three. Is it getting to

1225
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: the point where they should just start Zach Wilson and

1226
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: try to get the number one pick in the draft

1227
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: and move into a different era?

1228
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 4: No, I don't like. Look, Tua played well, and I

1229
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: watched that game. He played extremely well. They had a

1230
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: couple opportunities to really take control of that game. Their

1231
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 4: defense played excellent against Josh Allen. I mean once, when

1232
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: you gotta remember, started the game, Buffalo was getting anything

1233
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: they wanted. It was just driving down the field, scoring

1234
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But once the defense got

1235
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 4: settled and they got two to three stops in a row.

1236
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: That's all you can ask for now. Tua and that

1237
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: offense they scored, they kept pace with them. It was

1238
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: a one score game before the interception. Of late interception

1239
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: and all that is mechanics. All he had to do

1240
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: was look off the linebacker with his eyes. But he

1241
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: came out of his five step drop and he stared

1242
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 4: down where he wanted to go with the ball, and

1243
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: any defensive linebacker worked his salt. It's just going to

1244
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 4: track the eyes, especially when you're in the zone. And

1245
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 4: so all he had to do was look to the

1246
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: left for half a second. That's a wide open play

1247
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 4: and they get the first down. So with that, I'm

1248
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: not gonna condemn him and send Zach Wilson into the

1249
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: game and just tanked the rest of this. I think

1250
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: Jerk Hill showed up and showed out. Waddle had a

1251
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: good game. They were able to run the ball with

1252
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: the rookie Alie and Eh and so look the pieces

1253
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: are there. That's a tough game. The Buffalo Bills are

1254
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 4: going to be a lot of people, all right. There's

1255
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 4: gonna be a lot of great teams, just like we

1256
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: saw week one when we for I even because the

1257
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: game was on during my show. I even when they

1258
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 4: played Baltimore. I was at, oh, Baltimore is the greatest

1259
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: team on the planet. I leave the show. By the

1260
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: time I get home, Buffalo at won, and I'm like,

1261
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: what is happening? So just keep that in context. The

1262
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills are going to do this to a lot

1263
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: of great teams. And I think Miami showed up and look,

1264
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: we can really get down to the crux of what

1265
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: happened in there with the rough and the punter penalty.

1266
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: Oh that was yeah the game.

1267
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: Right, I mean that that had nothing to do with

1268
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 4: Toua or the offense they had that game, and the

1269
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 4: roughing the punter penalty gives uh Josh Allen and the

1270
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 4: Bills the ball back and they go down and score

1271
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 4: Tua and the offense was getting ready to really take

1272
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: control of the game on that play. So I try

1273
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: to look at it with broad spectrum and instead of

1274
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 4: just like isolated and like tour tore a pig so

1275
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: to sit them on the bench. No, they had the

1276
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 4: ingredients to play well and to win that game.

1277
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: Thirteen year NFL VET NFC champion and Fox Sports radio

1278
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: host Ephram Salam joining us here on Fox Football Saturday.

1279
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: I from, you're a former offensive lineman, what's your take

1280
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: on the touh push and the blowback it has gotten

1281
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: over these last couple of years, and went to the

1282
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: committee meeting. They tried to get a band that didn't happen. Now,

1283
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: the NFL is tawnly officiated crew this weekend to keep

1284
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: an eye on the interior line getting an early jump

1285
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: on the snap like they have the last couple of weeks.

1286
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: Just as a former offensive lineman, are you a fan

1287
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,959
Speaker 3: of that being legal play?

1288
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: Should it be illegal?

1289
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: Because the Eagles basically converted out a ninety six or

1290
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: ninety seven percent clip. Just what's your thought on the

1291
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: touch push and whether or not it has a place

1292
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: in the NFL right now?

1293
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: Look, I don't mind the touch push to quarterbacks NAK,

1294
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Speaker 4: but there has to be certain guidelines. And I said

1295
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: this over the summer when it was up for the

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Speaker 4: vote at the committee the owners meeting in terms off

1297
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Speaker 4: they're going to ban it or not? I said, look,

1298
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: the touch push is fine, but you have to officiate

1299
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 4: it and regulate it the correct way. All they had

1300
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 4: to do was make a simple amendment, a player cannot

1301
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: be lifted off the ground from behind and crowdsircht over

1302
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: the top of defenders or other offensive players. If they've

1303
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: added that element into it, it would change the dynamics

1304
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: of the touch push and it solve a lot of

1305
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: problems now the offensive line lining up off side and

1306
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 4: getting an early jump on the ball. The referees got

1307
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: to do a better job of that because they can

1308
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 4: see it. They're looking down that line and they can

1309
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 4: see the movement early. But a lot of the time

1310
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: their helmets are come the offensive line helmets are covering

1311
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: the ball, so you really can't get a train of thought.

1312
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 4: But that's off sides in general. So I think there's

1313
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: ways that you can keep the tush push in the game.

1314
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 4: You just have to officiate it differently. Like you shouldn't

1315
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: be able to grab an opponent Jalen Hurts and lift

1316
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 4: him up from behind and carry him over the top

1317
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 4: of a pile. I don't think that's a legal way

1318
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 4: to gain the yard. So if they did things like that,

1319
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 4: it would kind of take some of the pressure off

1320
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: people thinking it's unfair and wanting to get rid of it.

1321
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: It'll even the playing fields a little bit.

1322
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: If I'm speaking of things that could be regulated soon.

1323
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: At least people are deliberating about this as well. Should

1324
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: Tom Brady be allowed in these coaches meetings as he

1325
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: leads his way up to calling a game on Fox

1326
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: while being the minority owner or one of them with

1327
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: the almost said Oakland with the Las Vegas Raiders.

1328
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was weird a little bit just seeing him

1329
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:24,959
Speaker 4: up there. I was like, Oh, this is uh, there's

1330
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: a compliment of interest there now. No one's done it

1331
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 4: like this before. I think I think he's added value

1332
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 4: to have arguably the greatest quarterback to play as present

1333
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 4: as he is in terms of calling games. But then

1334
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 4: you see him on the ownership side. I think that's important.

1335
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: I think it's important for players, current players who see

1336
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: where you could take it in terms of ownership. Also

1337
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 4: in terms of broadcasting. Everybody can't broadcast. Tom is getting better,

1338
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 4: a lot better than he was last year, no doubt,

1339
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 4: but that's to be expected. But I'm kind of on

1340
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: the fence because I felt a little weird seeing him

1341
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 4: in both capacities like that. It's just going to take

1342
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 4: I think me and a lot of people getting used

1343
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 4: to seeing it like that. I don't know if it

1344
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 4: gives you an unfair advantage, but having an owner called

1345
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: games and being those type of meetings, it seems a

1346
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 4: bit seems a bit weird for lack of a better term.

1347
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: Do coaches in your experience, like what you've heard, are

1348
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: they really giving up specific game plan stuff that could

1349
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: be used against them? Is there a lot of insight

1350
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: there or is it mostly general?

1351
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: Yes? No, Yes, that's why our guys who are doing

1352
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: the games have so much knowledge when it comes to

1353
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 4: different things that happen in the game. They have a

1354
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 4: checklist of things they want to ask, want to know personnel, players,

1355
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: and all of that. So Tom Brady having that information

1356
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: and then going right back around and putting his owner

1357
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 4: cap back on. Yeah, you're gonna be in those coaching

1358
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: meetings with your team and you're going to be giving insight.

1359
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 4: You're going to be talking about, Hey, when I did

1360
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 4: the Dallas game, they were really talking about, you know,

1361
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 4: on third downs and play actions, are being able to

1362
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 4: run the ball out of you know eleven personnel, Like

1363
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to use that information he's

1364
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: getting as a broadcaster to help your team.

1365
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: From what's your take on the AFC West as it

1366
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: currently stands, the Kansas City Chiefs have gone off to

1367
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 3: an zero to two start and have not looked necessarily great,

1368
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: especially on the offensive side of the ball, and maybe

1369
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: that's to be expected when you have no receivers of

1370
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 3: notes to really throw the ball to. And subsequently, the

1371
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: Chargers have looked really good these first couple of weeks,

1372
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: beating Kansas City, obviously beating the Raiders this past Monday night.

1373
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: Do you think this is the year that the Kansas

1374
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: City Chiefs are vulnerable and that it team that the

1375
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: Chargers or maybe the Broncos who lost a tough one

1376
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 3: to Indy last week.

1377
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: Can u surp Kansas City?

1378
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: Not saying Kansas City won't make the postseason, but coult

1379
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 3: their run of winning the AFC West be over?

1380
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 4: Well what if they don't. Everybody keeps saying that they're

1381
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: owing to right now, and they keep saying, by the way,

1382
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 4: they've never been zero and two with Patrick Mahomes and

1383
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 4: Indy ree just step yi, they've never lost three games

1384
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: in a row since Patrick Mahomes has been in the league.

1385
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 4: And I'm counting the Super Bowl as a loss, So

1386
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 4: that's three games in a row. So we keep staying

1387
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 4: it like, well, we know they're going to make the playoffs,

1388
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 4: but how bad do they look now? I don't know

1389
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 4: they're going to make the playoffs.

1390
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.

1391
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is because last year

1392
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 4: offensively they looked bad. I'm talking about one of the

1393
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: worst year, the worst year Patrick Mahomes ever had wasn't

1394
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 4: even Pro Bowl quarterback, and he's playing worse this year now.

1395
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: The only difference is their defense is in the top

1396
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 4: five defense like they were last year, and build them

1397
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 4: out a lot of those games. Like last year they

1398
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 4: won twelve one score games, just the natural order of things.

1399
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 4: It's difficult for a team the next year to win

1400
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 4: that way again. And for me, nothing has really changed

1401
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: in terms of offensively. They don't have threats down the field.

1402
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 4: Kelsey is older, they're trying to really figure the offensive

1403
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 4: line out. They like the rookie, but they're really trying

1404
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 4: to figure it out. So for me, looking at the

1405
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 4: AFC West, I picked the Chargers to win it. I thought,

1406
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 4: first of all, I'm justin Herbert fan. I think he

1407
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: can throw the ball with the best of them. But

1408
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 4: having a real coach for the first time these past

1409
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 4: two seasons. It's going to bowl well for him, and

1410
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 4: we can see the changes in him already. Like Brandon

1411
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 4: Staley was a setback for Justin Herbert. We all knew

1412
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: that he found ways to lose games no matter how

1413
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 4: many yards and put up. But now they have the

1414
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 4: defense to go with it. They have a sustainable running

1415
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 4: game and a coach who's the Hall of Fame coach

1416
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 4: who knows about winning. So look, I even like the Raiders.

1417
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: I like the Raiders, which attains me as a former

1418
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 4: Broncos George. I like the Raiders and what they're doing

1419
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 4: in Geno Smith and Austin Genty as their first round

1420
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 4: draft pick at running back and Max Crosby as the

1421
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 4: defensive end. I think the Kansas City Chiefs are in trouble.

1422
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 4: I think that division is in don't forget about the Broncos.

1423
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 4: I think that division has gotten better within one year.

1424
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 4: And me personally, I know Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes,

1425
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 4: Andy Reid is Andy Reid. But if you don't have

1426
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 4: the answers to the test, you're gonna fail.

1427
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: Hey from has Cincinnati ever given you a call like, Hey,

1428
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: we need some help with protecting Joe Burrow because we

1429
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: can't seem to figure it out, and it kind of

1430
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 2: means something to protect her friend franchise quarterback and keep

1431
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: him upright. It feels like, I don't know, front office

1432
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: malpractice or ownership malpractice. They got this gem under center,

1433
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: but they can't keep him polished and upright. As I

1434
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: mentioned there. And what have you seen from Cincinnati? And

1435
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: how much blame do they deserve for these injuries?

1436
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 4: Well, I think they both deserve all the blame. I mean,

1437
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: when you decide that you're going to pay two receivers

1438
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 4: top market price and not really focus on your offensive line,

1439
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 4: you get what you get. Joe Burrow fit on the

1440
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 4: table for both his receivers, which is crazy to me.

1441
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 4: I understand it. As a quarterback. You want two top targets.

1442
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 4: Very few teams have that dynamic and have not bolstered

1443
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 4: their offensive line yet Philly has two high price receivers

1444
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: that they don't even use, but their offensive line is

1445
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 4: a monster. So you have to look at the dynamic there, like, yeah,

1446
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 4: you can stand on the table. I want my guys

1447
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 4: pay him this. Hey that you got two guys making

1448
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 4: forty plus million dollars a year and no one the

1449
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 4: block for Joe Burrow and then you walked signing your

1450
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 4: best defensive player and giving him the type of money

1451
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 4: he deserves. So all around, the Cincinnati organization has had

1452
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 4: quite a few missteps, the biggest being not bolstering that

1453
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 4: offensive line and protecting their most valuable asset.

1454
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 3: He from Salam joining us here on Fox Football Saturday.

1455
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 3: Last one for me from Let's go to Chicago and

1456
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 3: talk about Caleb Williams because he's gotten a lot of

1457
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: criticism these first couple of years.

1458
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: Some would say rightfully so.

1459
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: Some say he's transitioning to a completely different offense with

1460
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 3: a head coach who's never been a head coach before,

1461
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: and he's still struggling with some accuracy issues.

1462
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: Do we think we should give him a little bit

1463
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: more time with Ben Johnson or do you think the

1464
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 2: criticism right now is warrant it that he hasn't really

1465
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: improved from last year to this year quite yet.

1466
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 4: Well, look, we have to take a step back, especially

1467
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: when it comes to young quarterbacks who now have had

1468
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:05,959
Speaker 4: a bevy of coaches. In terms of offensive coordinators, head coaches,

1469
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 4: GM's the Chicago Bears were in shambles last year and

1470
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 4: what happens when a quarterback gets our talented quarterback gets

1471
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 4: to a situation where there is no real leadership and

1472
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 4: there is nothing in place to warrant our health his success.

1473
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 4: Then you develop bad habits. And so it takes time,

1474
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 4: a real lifetime to erase bad habits and correct those

1475
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 4: and make them good habits. And so for me, it's

1476
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 4: going to take time for Ben Johnson to come in

1477
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 4: and undo what was done and get Caleb Williams on

1478
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 4: the same page that he needs to be in order

1479
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 4: to run that prolific offense that we know Ben Johnson

1480
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 4: has installed.

1481
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 2: Final question here e from on f and A on FSR.

1482
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: We know things can turn on a dime. Has Danny

1483
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: Dimes turned his career around? Are you a believer in him?

1484
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: Two games in he doesn't have a turnover. He looks

1485
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 2: like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Now

1486
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 2: for the Indiapolis Colts, are things going to be on

1487
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: track for him like we thought they could be when

1488
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: he was coming out of the draft?

1489
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 4: Look, man one mantash is another man stretcher. And what

1490
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 4: we've seen is quarterbacks who were thought at first round

1491
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 4: draft picks, who were thought to be washed up have

1492
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 4: a super resurgence. That's what the formula is. Look at

1493
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 4: the top quarterbacks right now, and I'm counting Daniel Jones

1494
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 4: as one of them. Look at Baker Mayfield right Cleveland,

1495
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 4: who can't get the quarterback position right by any means.

1496
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 4: Had Baker Mayfield, he took him to the playoffs, they

1497
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 4: got rid of him. What now he's thriving and he's

1498
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 4: one of the top quarterbacks in the league at Tampa Bay.

1499
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 4: You look at what Sam Donald. Look at Tam Donald

1500
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 4: right for the Raiders, Geno Smath. So for me looking

1501
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: at and I've watched, I love what Daniel Jones is doing.

1502
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 4: I love it because it looks like he's enjoyed playing football.

1503
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 4: He's not in the media market, media circus of New York,

1504
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 4: all the eyes on him. And then the organization isn't

1505
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 4: going to do things to undermine him, like the fact

1506
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 4: that the Giants got rid of saykaw On Barkley burn

1507
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: the whole organization down right, Like to me, that was

1508
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 4: that didn't make any sense to me. And so when

1509
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 4: you look at what Daniel Jones is doing now with

1510
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 4: his receivers on the outside, with Pittman, they got a

1511
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 4: lot of talent over there, but the stabilizing force is

1512
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 4: Taylor their running game. It takes the pressure off off

1513
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones. He doesn't have to go out and throw

1514
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: the ball forty times a game, but if he's doing it,

1515
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: it's within the constructs of play action. Team's got a

1516
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 4: safety's got to send the pens gott to send the

1517
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 4: safeties up to stop the run, which opens up the

1518
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: field downfill that rolling them out of the pocket. So

1519
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 4: I like Daniel Jones. I'm a believer that his mechanics

1520
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 4: have gotten better, the leadership has gotten better, and I

1521
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 4: think Indy out of nowhere is a real shot and

1522
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 4: surprised to maybe, you know, snatch that division away from

1523
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 4: a Houston team that's struggling right now.

1524
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 2: He is a great.

1525
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 3: Ephram Salam thirteen years in the NFL, NFC, champion with

1526
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons back in ninety eight and now Fox

1527
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: Sports radio host co host with Mark Willard on Fox

1528
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 3: Sports Sunday APM to eleven pm Eastern Time.

1529
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: Ephraim, we kept you a little bit longer than we planned,

1530
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: but it was a fun time. We appreciate it. Man,

1531
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Nel, but.

1532
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 4: Had no problem just add another zero to the check man.

1533
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: You got it. It's got the infinity sign right now. Actually,

1534
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: thank you from good stuff from thanks Man, much appreciated.

1535
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: That was fun. That will not be the last time

1536
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: he joined us here on FNA on FSR. It was

1537
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: great to get his inside knowledge on the game that

1538
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: he played for thirteen seasons. Coming up though, you still

1539
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: got to deal with our insight knowledge, which is not

1540
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: worth as much as ephraims. But we got some fun

1541
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: stuff to get into, including our Oh Troy potential pick

1542
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 2: in the NFL six pack in our beer goggles game

1543
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: that's coming up next here on Fox Sports Radio. It's

1544
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 2: f n A on FSR. FNA Cotton welcome back in

1545
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: f and A on FSR. I'm out of Masla. He's

1546
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Figures. Remember for the best pregame show every weekend,

1547
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: be sure to tune into Fox Sports Radios Countdown to

1548
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: Kickoff presented by BET MGM. Every Saturday and Sunday morning.

1549
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 2: We will count you down to all of the biggest

1550
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: games for three hours right up until kickoff. For all

1551
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: the best plays and up to the second injury news,

1552
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: tune in to Countdown to Kickoff presented by Bet MGM

1553
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 2: every Saturday and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports

1554
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: Radio and the iHeart app. All right, Mark, let's get

1555
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: back into it. The NFL.

1556
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 3: That's right, the Beer Goggles game, the ugly matchup that

1557
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: might actually be entertaining this weekend. Now, I don't think

1558
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 3: I'm talking out of school here, Adam when I say,

1559
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: unless you have players on your fantasy team are a

1560
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: degenerate gambler, or live in the Twin Cities or Cincinnati, wow,

1561
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 3: all three of them, there's really no legit reason for

1562
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 3: you to want to watch the Bengals in the Vikings tomorrow.

1563
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: But it's not as if either of these defenses are

1564
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: inspiring confidence so far this year. Now, the Vikings defense

1565
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 3: was supposed to be very good, and so far, through

1566
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: a couple of games, they've been up and down, to

1567
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 3: say the least, decent not great against the Bears. I'd

1568
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: say they played well for three quarters against the Atlanta

1569
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 3: Falcons before they just ran the ball down their throat

1570
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 3: with Tyler al Yeer and b John.

1571
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: Robinson in the fourth quarter.

1572
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: So I expect Jake Browning in that Bengals offense to

1573
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 3: be able to move the ball and score some points.

1574
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 3: And on the flip side, we already know that Bengals

1575
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 3: defense is not that great, So maybe Carson Wentz goes

1576
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 3: back into the hot up time machine brings back the

1577
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: MVP form playing under KOC and look with the weapons

1578
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 3: like Justin Jefferson and TJ.

1579
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: Hockinson, I think they can score some points for sure too.

1580
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 3: So look, not having Christian darrisol up front of the

1581
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 3: offensive line, they've had some couple of offensive line issues.

1582
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 3: Jaj McCarthy's been sacked more than any other quarterback other

1583
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 3: than cam Ward so far, so I recognize there are

1584
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 3: some offensive line issues with them Mitisoka Vikings, but that

1585
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 3: being said, I think that they can also Both of

1586
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: these units can score points against the other, so I

1587
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: actually expect this to be a decently high scoring, entertaining game.

1588
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: I also have this as my beer goggles game here, Kevin.

1589
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: This is the exact type of contest that has the

1590
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: ability to reach. This game is drunk status, and so

1591
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: seeing it as an appealing matchup here with my beer

1592
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: goggles on, like this game could be more drunk than

1593
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 2: those Bengals fans fighting each other in custom jerseys with

1594
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: the number sixty nine that says your mom on them.

1595
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: By the way, that dude is like fifty, you know,

1596
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: settled down.

1597
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, even if you're twenty two,

1598
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 3: it's like there's a level of maturity.

1599
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: But that dude probably has kids. You shouldn't really wearing

1600
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 2: a jersey to begin with when you're that old. Let

1601
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: alone one that says sixty nine and your mom on

1602
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: the back, a custom jersey, and then a custom jersey

1603
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: that says that we're going. I will say this, the

1604
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: Bengals defense looks to be somewhat improved. They're giving up

1605
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 2: just two hundred and forty five yards per game so far.

1606
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: The bar was very, very very low. This is fair.

1607
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: This is fair. You mentioned Carson Wentz in this game

1608
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that's an interesting wrinkle

1609
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: to this. I want to see what he has left.

1610
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: He was kind of a feast or famine type of guy,

1611
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: always looking to make the big play out there. But

1612
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 2: a lot of this game is just it's getting me

1613
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: thinking about the Bengals front office and ownership who were

1614
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: playing Enie Meanie Miny Mo catch a tiger by the

1615
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 2: toe with the O line in front of their franchise

1616
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 2: quarterback in Joe Burrow, who likely is out for the

1617
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: season with a toe injury. It's front office malpractice. As

1618
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier with Ephraim Salom, Burrow is getting buried.

1619
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: And if you look at some of the numbers between

1620
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: him and Andrew Luck through six seasons, they're very similar

1621
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: with how often they're getting hit out there. Luck was

1622
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: pressured twenty eight percent of the time, Burrow twenty seven

1623
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 2: percent of the time. Luck sacked one hundred and seventy

1624
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: four times in his six years because he only played

1625
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: that long in the NFL. Burrow is at two hundred

1626
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 2: and one times while playing fifteen less games. This is bad,

1627
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 2: This is heading in the wrong direction. Andrew Luck should

1628
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 2: have been a Hall of Fame quarterback. He retired early,

1629
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: probably wisely, so he was taking a beating too. We

1630
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 2: saw Joe Burrow have a devastating knee injury his rookie year,

1631
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: and they still haven't managed to figure out how to

1632
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: keep him upright. Last time I checked, the Bengals haven't

1633
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,480
Speaker 2: had that much good luck in their history of their franchise.

1634
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 2: Maybe don't tempt fate by putting a bad offensive line

1635
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: in front of Joe Burrow. Like, if you're gonna spend money,

1636
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: maybe spending on offensive lineman a little bit more. Maybe

1637
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 2: just use all your draft picks the next couple of

1638
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 2: drafts on offensive linemen and see what it shakes out.

1639
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 2: Because they need help.

1640
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 3: There seems like a smart strategy to me. Let's quickly

1641
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 3: go to the old Troy potential.

1642
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 8: Oh my god, Oh my god.

1643
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sorry.

1644
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the Colts on the road taking

1645
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 3: on Tennessee. We kind of alluded to this earlier, how

1646
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: scrappy the Tennessee Titans have been. And I know, Adam,

1647
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 3: the Colts have played well, and your guy Daniel Jones

1648
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 3: has been amazing, but they've been indoors at home on

1649
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 3: that quick field. Now they're going outside on the road

1650
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 3: in division against an opponent that's been pretty scrappy this year.

1651
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 3: Cam Ward's numbers have not been great, but chiefs and

1652
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 3: signs that he can be a really good player this year.

1653
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: And they made their Rams team work last week, even

1654
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 3: though the Rams pulled away late.

1655
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: So I think the Colts had the potential of being

1656
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: humbled a little bit in this game, and that cam

1657
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: Ward might have his coming out party a little bit

1658
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 2: I can see a seven to ten point Titans a

1659
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: Titan victory in this one, to be honest with you,

1660
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 2: so I had that is my trap game tap. So

1661
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: we're pretty much in agreement here. This could spell trouble

1662
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: for the Colts, who everybody are so high on and

1663
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 2: so down on the Tennessee Titans. That usually is a

1664
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: recipe for disaster in the NFL because it always keeps

1665
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: us guessing. It's not a year to year league. It's

1666
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 2: a week week, two week league where anything can happen

1667
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 2: and change quickly.

1668
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does not mean that I don't like Daniel

1669
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 3: Jones and the Colts. Doesn't mean I don't think they

1670
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: can still win that division. But I do think in

1671
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: this particular week, I think they might get humbled to

1672
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 3: come crashing down just a little bit.

1673
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: Coming up and next more from our NFL six pack.

1674
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: I'll get to my Oh Troy potential pick as well.

1675
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: This is FNA on FSR.

1676
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

1677
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 3: That's right final hour Fox Football Saturday with Kevin Figures.

1678
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 2: That's me Adam Austlin.

1679
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 3: That is he at k fig One is where you

1680
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: can find me on X Adam is that follow Adam

1681
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 3: a on as well.

1682
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: Adam Ashley, thank you, Big Ben. All right, coming up,

1683
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk a little bit of college football and

1684
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: get you prepared for later today. But we do need

1685
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: to get back to our NFL six pack and I

1686
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 2: get to my old Troy potential pick here Kevin. Now,

1687
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: if people don't know, Oh Troy is about an angry

1688
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 2: Vikings fan who got really upset and broke his cane

1689
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: because he was an older man, and then his wife

1690
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: said this to him after he watched Blair wallsh blow

1691
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: the game in twenty sixteen against the Seahawks.

1692
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 8: Oh try, I'm so sorry.

1693
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a game that could have something

1694
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: tragic or an epic fail happen, or a team get

1695
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: blown out maybe. And I told you all last week

1696
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: about Spencer Rattler under center. I think we'll tell you.

1697
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: This is the fourth time in this show Adam has

1698
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 3: said I told you, I told you, so.

1699
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: I gotta get them all out now because pretty soon

1700
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: everybody else is gonna be like, no, we told you. You're

1701
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: gonna be keeping receipts and playing back audio about something

1702
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: you were wrong about. Now what it is? I always

1703
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 2: talk about the stuff I was right about right, and

1704
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler looked as rattled as the rattlesnake Eric Dickerson

1705
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 2: put down in his backyard with that pellet gun that

1706
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: he told us about on a five to seventy LA Sports,

1707
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: our local affiliate here in southern California. And if you

1708
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: watch that final play by the Saints brew bery fourth

1709
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: and two against the forty nine ers, they still had

1710
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: a shot. What happened Spencer Rattler got lower than a

1711
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: snake as he fumbled the football. They were down by five.

1712
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: They lost it because of Spencer rattler fumble. Well, this

1713
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: week he heads out on the road for the first

1714
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: time this season to Seattle, where those Hawks may end

1715
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: up picking him up in their talons and in front

1716
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: of the twelfth Man, they just drop him into the

1717
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: Pacific Ocean. That's where Spencer Ratler's going for the other

1718
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: Seahawks to feast on.

1719
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 3: I feel like you always put the Saints in a

1720
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: situation like this just so you can take shots at break.

1721
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I should. She's here. Why would I not.

1722
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: He's a waste of an opportunity, so are the Saints. Yeah,

1723
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: I don't care that Rattler had three touchdowns against the

1724
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. I do care that he's zero to

1725
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: eight as a starting quarterback for the Saints. No Saints quarterback,

1726
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: and they've had some bad ones. Have gone this long

1727
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: without picking up their first win, that is saying something.

1728
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 2: And the Saints have had some old Troy epic fails

1729
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,839
Speaker 2: in Seattle before. You may remember a twenty ten NFC

1730
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: wild card game or mar Shawn Lynch went Beast Mode

1731
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: or beast Quake out there throwing Tracy Porter with his

1732
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: left hand like a child ten yards backwards.

1733
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean a game that probably not probably should have

1734
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: been played in New Orleans, who had eleven wins and

1735
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 3: Seattle won their division with seven that year.

1736
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: These are the rules, that's the NFL for I don't

1737
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 2: think these Saints are about that action, boss uh either.

1738
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: And they're gonna get crushed by the Seahawks in Seattle,

1739
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 2: who are coming off a nice victory that you predicted

1740
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Kevin over the Pittsburgh Steelers on the road. There's really

1741
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: only one team I can see the Saints beating right now,

1742
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: and unfortunately that is my Panthers, who they played twice,

1743
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: so they'll win at least one games this season free

1744
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 2: it could be so much worse. It could be the Panthers.

1745
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 3: And by the way, I will say Spencer rather if

1746
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: you watch them these first couple of games, He's actually

1747
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: prayed decently well, He's played decently well. His numbers are

1748
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: pretty good. Uh, he had the one fumble, but hasn't

1749
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 3: thrown an interception. I think Rattler's actually shown himself well

1750
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: considering the situation the Saints find themselves in with not

1751
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 3: having maybe a whole lot of talent to work with.

1752
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 5: Did you guys see what Robert Sala said about him, No,

1753
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 5: the forty nine. He's a decordinator right.

1754
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 2: Now right more Jets head coach.

1755
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he said that by the end of the

1756
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 5: NFL season, Spencer Rattler will be a household name.

1757
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: You dumb ass, I mean for the wrong reasons.

1758
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 3: Maybe he probably choked that up to like, you know, uh,

1759
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: position coaches, you know, talking up the opponent the week

1760
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 3: going into a game.

1761
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 2: I think that usually happens. Oh, it's just being nice

1762
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: for you stick the night.

1763
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 3: I Actually I've always liked Spencer Ratler, even go back

1764
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 3: to those days at Oklahoma when things didn't work out there.

1765
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 3: So I think the right coaching, and maybe Kelling Moore

1766
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: is that guy. Give him some time. It's only been

1767
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: a couple of games. All right, Mark, I'm gonna move

1768
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 3: on to the next category under the microscope.

1769
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 2: Under the microscope the game or player.

1770
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 3: Everyone should watch closely this weekend, and my eye will

1771
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 3: be squarely on Caleb Williams. Obviously another rough week last

1772
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 3: week against Detroit where he just got his ass handed

1773
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 3: to him on a silver platter. But the Lions have

1774
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: done that to a lot of teams over the past

1775
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 3: couple of years. This is true, and I'm interested to

1776
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 3: see how he progresses and continues to progress the Chicago

1777
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 3: I'll stop and say this, it's too early for people

1778
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 3: to say that this guy is a busting up and

1779
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 3: hearing this, he's a bust. He never should have been

1780
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 3: taken first over. He can't play. The Bears made a

1781
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: giant mistake. Now, maybe all that's true, We'll have to see.

1782
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 3: I don't think you can come to that conclusion quite yet.

1783
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: All right, he came into a bad situation with poor coaching,

1784
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 3: and we asked I from Salam about this last hour,

1785
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 3: and he.

1786
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,839
Speaker 2: Agreed poor coaching.

1787
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: New head coach in a new system, a head coach

1788
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: that's never been a head coach before. By the way,

1789
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 3: it's just gonna take some time to break out of

1790
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 3: some bad habits that goes back to his days at

1791
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 3: USC when he didn't have an offensive line and he

1792
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: was basically the old Sam Donald line of seeing ghosts.

1793
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 3: I think Caleb Williams, as soon as the ball snap

1794
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 3: is seeing and feeling ghosts and feeling pressure that isn't

1795
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 3: even always there.

1796
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: So he needs to go somewhere else like Sam Darnold,

1797
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 2: and then go somewhere else after that to find his place.

1798
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: Maybe, but he's still is just getting started in Chicago.

1799
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stand up here and scream leave Caleb

1800
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 3: alone or anything like that. But I do think fans

1801
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 3: and media folks and talking heads like us at a

1802
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 3: times like to bury guys when they struggle, especially early.

1803
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 3: But I do think we need to give Caleb and

1804
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson a little bit more time to grow together.

1805
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 3: So I'm not looking for him to catch fire here

1806
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 3: and you know, start setting breaking records or anything, but

1807
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 3: playing against the cowboy defense. I feel like, similar to

1808
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 3: talking about Kansas City being able to make some hay

1809
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 3: and show some improvement offensively against the Giants. I'm looking

1810
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams and the Chicago offense to at least

1811
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 3: show some progression against the Cowboy defense that has been

1812
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 3: pretty much a sieve to start the season to this point.

1813
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 3: So on my under the microscope is going to be

1814
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams to see if he can make some offensive

1815
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 3: progress against a pretty average to even below average so

1816
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 3: far earlier this season Cowboy defense.

1817
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't give up on him or Ben Johnson yet,

1818
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: of course, far too early my under the microscope game.

1819
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: If you're not a Chiefs hater like Kevin yet through

1820
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: you both hands raised, you could make an argument that

1821
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs aren't that far away. They might have just

1822
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: lost to two of the best teams in the NFL,

1823
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: and the Chargers and the Eagles, where they played poorly

1824
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: in big moments and made uncharacteristically bad mistakes. Mistake. The

1825
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Chiefs are missing a couple of key in Greece, so

1826
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: we know this. They're missing some weapons Worthy and Rice.

1827
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: But if you start zero three and you're in the

1828
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: AFC West, you might be cooked. They're in New York

1829
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: against the Giants on Sunday Night football I'm not sure

1830
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,440
Speaker 2: why we put the Giants on Sunday Night Football, like eyeballs, eyeballs, eyeballs.

1831
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are carrying that game and New York East

1832
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 2: Coast bias. I guess doesn't even matter that they're bad.

1833
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,759
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how bad the Giants or the Jets

1834
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 3: are on a year in, year out basis, they're going

1835
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 3: to get the maximum amount of primetime games because they

1836
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 3: are New York.

1837
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 2: Even though they're zero two. After giving a premature night

1838
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: Night to the Cowboys only to be beat by the

1839
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: boys best player, their kicker, Brandon Aubrey, who's made a

1840
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: real name for himself, like to the point where Drake

1841
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: might actually want to use his real name Aubrey once

1842
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: in a while, and Brandon Aubrey went back to back

1843
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,839
Speaker 2: with big field goals to hand the Giants a brutal

1844
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 2: loss in ot including a sixty four yarder. But the

1845
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: Giants were looking pretty competent with Russell west with Russell Wilson.

1846
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: Under the Cowboys secondary was so bad, Russell Westbrook probably could.

1847
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 2: Have lit him up. Yeah, although his passes are usually

1848
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 2: off the market. Well, I'm interested to see the level

1849
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 2: of desperation from two zero to two teams, one obviously

1850
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 2: worse with lower expectations than the Giants, but they're at

1851
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: home against the Chiefs. I've got this under a microscope

1852
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: to see if I can see the fragments of what

1853
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: were the Kansas City Chiefs and if they can get

1854
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 2: back to any semblance of being a Super Bowl contender again. Yeah,

1855
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: I'll agree. It's gonna be a big matchup to see

1856
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: what they can, if they can turn things around and

1857
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: get themselves back into the AFC West Race, which I

1858
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: never thought I would say a couple of games into

1859
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: the season, back back back back, All right, Mark, let's

1860
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: get to the next category, redemption row.

1861
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 3: Yes, the team or player looking to bounce back from

1862
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 3: last week, and I'm going with Geno Smith and that

1863
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 3: Raider offense against Washington. Few players were the highest of

1864
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: highs in Week one, where he threw for over thri

1865
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: dard and sixty yards to the lowest of lows where

1866
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 3: Gino Smith looked terrible and terribly inaccurate and acted as

1867
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 3: if he had never seen an NFL defense before. I mean,

1868
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 3: missing wide open guys, throwing airmailing balls left and right.

1869
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean the.

1870
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: Chargers defense is good air mailing, flung the ball all

1871
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: over the place in New England, despite not having much

1872
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 3: of a running game to speak of, made every critical

1873
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 3: big play when it mattered to the most to help

1874
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 3: them win, and it was the exact opposite at home

1875
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 3: against the Chargers on Monday night. So he looked He

1876
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 3: is an above average to good NFL quarterback who can

1877
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 3: have a great game here or there. But unless and

1878
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 3: until the Raiders find a way to start running the

1879
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 3: ball at least decently, they're not going to go very far.

1880
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 3: He is not a guy that you can ask to

1881
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 3: throw the ball fifty times a game and you're gonna

1882
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 3: win more often than not.

1883
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,799
Speaker 2: The offensive line was getting beat up.

1884
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 3: And that that was one of the big question marks.

1885
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 3: Even with the drafting of ashion gen Z. Had they

1886
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 3: done enough to improve and fortify that offensive line.

1887
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: I think we got the answer.

1888
01:30:58,640 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1889
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 3: Well, look no, Jackson Arras Johnson, one of their best

1890
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 3: offensive linemen, got hurt and didn't play last weekend. He

1891
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 3: was in concussion protocol, so he's expected to be back

1892
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: on Sunday, so that should definitely help. So look, what's

1893
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 3: ultimately going to end up being the Raiders' demise is

1894
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 3: how much. They have to rely on brock Bauers, and

1895
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 3: he's hobbled wearing a knee brace. If he's everyone knows

1896
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: he's the top offensive target for them, and he moves everything.

1897
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 2: He's basically their top receiver. Looks like a young Jeremy

1898
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 2: Shaky Yeah as a tight end.

1899
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 3: So they get him back healthy, it opens up everything

1900
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 3: else for their passing game. So obviously a lot's going

1901
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 3: to ride on the back of Ashton Gentz, who needs

1902
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 3: to get more carries. I know Pete Carroll talks about

1903
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 3: it this week, and so did Ashton being able to

1904
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 3: read holes, being able to do blitz, pick up some

1905
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: little things. Maybe the game is moving a little fast

1906
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 3: for him right now, which is a bit concerning for

1907
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 3: a guy who was taking that high and had all

1908
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 3: the expectations.

1909
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 2: In the world early on.

1910
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 3: You really don't hear about the game being too fast

1911
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 3: for a guy that's a top eight pick like that.

1912
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 3: But for Gino, I think this is a big bounce

1913
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 3: back week against a really good opponent who, granted does

1914
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 3: not have their starting quarterback. Might be a way for

1915
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 3: the Raider defense to make some hey against Washington with

1916
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 3: jayde Daniels being out in former Raider great Marcus Mariota

1917
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 3: being in there, but I'm expecting Geno Smith to actually

1918
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 3: turn things around and play a lot better this weekend

1919
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 3: against Washington than he did on Monday night against the Chargers.

1920
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 2: The Raiders suck. Hey, I liked you know, I'm rooting

1921
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 2: for the Raiders, and yes they're taking on Marcus Mariota.

1922
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: They can compete in that game. My redemption round pick, well,

1923
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: I need some redemption after my Dolphins came up short

1924
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 2: your Dolphins twice since we last spoke on this show.

1925
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: That's true, first against the Pats and then on Thursday

1926
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: night against the Bills. They look better though. And while

1927
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 2: I picked the Ravens to annihilate the Browns last week

1928
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 2: and they did, Yep, you picked them too, We both did.

1929
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 2: Told them to cover. That was that twelve and a

1930
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 2: half points spread. I'm gonna say they still haven't redeemed

1931
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: themselves from what happened against the Bills in prime time

1932
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: on Sunday Night Football to start off the season. What

1933
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: more must they do? Adham, Well, they have another good

1934
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 2: test in front of the world Monday night home against

1935
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: the Lions, who responded against the Bears as predicted. Did

1936
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 2: you see this story going around speaking of kayleb Williams.

1937
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: Apparently in April of twenty twenty four, after the Bears

1938
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: selected punter Trey Taylor in the draft, Caleb Williams texted

1939
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 2: Taylor quote, Hey, you're not going to be punting too

1940
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 2: much here. Well since that text, Trey Taylor has punted

1941
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: the ball ninety two times for the Bears, the most

1942
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: in the NFL. That's not a lot, though, mean, But anyways,

1943
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 2: I want to see Kevin's Super Bowl pick and the

1944
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 2: Ravens actually close out a good team and make the

1945
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Lions look the way my Packers made them look out matched.

1946
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 3: I like how you went from your Dolphins to your

1947
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 3: Packers to your You sound more and more like Steve

1948
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 3: Hartman every single day my NFL.

1949
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Exactly, I'm Rob Low. If you want your Ravens to

1950
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 2: meet my Packers in the Super Bowl, they need to

1951
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 2: prove dominance against a common opponent, and John Harbaugh's approved

1952
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 2: he can be a Super Bowl winning coach without a

1953
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame linebacker jacked up on deer Antler spray.

1954
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 2: I have not forgotten that, nor the other thing with

1955
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 2: ray lewis so one other thing, what are you talking about.

1956
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. You got another pick here? Where are

1957
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: we going? I think is that it? If we're out?

1958
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 2: I think we're out of time for the NFL six. Hey, god,

1959
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 2: we need a break after that comment.

1960
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 3: So when your Packers lose to the Browns this weekend,

1961
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 3: will they no longer be your packers?

1962
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 2: Is that how that works? They'll be my Browns? Exactly?

1963
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 2: Easy shift there. Coming up next, we got to talk

1964
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: about something we haven't talked about any college football yet,

1965
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 2: not in this episode, and Dabu Sweeney is in the

1966
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 2: Newsabo Dabbo Dabbo. Kevin has some thoughts on his situation

1967
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,759
Speaker 2: with Clemson. This is FNA on FSR.

1968
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 6: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1969
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1970
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1971
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1972
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Speaker 2: Wall they get a load of me Fna Cotton, It's

1973
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,200
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1974
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1977
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1978
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Speaker 2: forget that's promo code. Fox game. All right, some games

1979
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: on Fox coming up in just hours. In college football here, Kevin,

1980
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: And there's been some news this week. I know we've

1981
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 2: kind of I'm not gonna say, buried the lead. Well,

1982
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,879
Speaker 2: we just haven't had a chance to yet because as always,

1983
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 2: the NFL is king, man, the NFL is king.

1984
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 3: I do want to address something that this is a

1985
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: tweet that I got about thirty minutes ago, and you

1986
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 3: can tweet us by the way or x.

1987
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 2: Us or what do you call it? Now? What else? Status?

1988
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Sure car pitching us A big one is where you

1989
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 2: can find me? Adam? Is that follow? Adam?

1990
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 3: A from Harry James Taylor says OSUAU was a fake day?

1991
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 2: Right there?

1992
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 3: Os you fire Mike Gundy? Now, I'm rarely am I

1993
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 3: one to call for somebody's job. I'm not gonna and

1994
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm necessarily gonna do that here

1995
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 3: for Mike Gundy.

1996
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna say there's an argument. Maybe there is an

1997
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 2: argument to be made, okay, considering that they went owen

1998
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 2: nineing conference play last season in the Big twelve and

1999
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 2: three and nine overall, and they are currently one and one,

2000
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: and they lost on Friday night to Tulsa well, and

2001
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 2: the Oregon loss could count as like three losses. What

2002
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 2: was it? Sixty to ten? And then everything leading up

2003
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: to that, all the tall landing back and forth, and

2004
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 2: I didn't like Mike Gundy. And we talked about this

2005
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: with Petricks Papadakis last week, but building excuses like I

2006
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: know what's coming this week. I got to explain why

2007
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 2: it's because they got all the money. It has nothing

2008
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 2: to do with us not spending. I didn't that, And

2009
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: I may have made the comment that is he still

2010
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 2: a man? After mister I'm a man, I'm forty what

2011
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 2: the Ducks did to him.

2012
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 3: He's now fifty eight, by the way, which it doesn't

2013
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 3: seem that long ago that that was that rant.

2014
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 2: Time flies, It sure does. He's a man. He's fifty eight,

2015
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: and unfortunately for him.

2016
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 3: I know he's played at Oklahoma State, was a great player,

2017
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: really turned that football program around, what, by the way,

2018
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 3: with the help of a major booster who's now now

2019
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 3: passed named t Boone Pickens.

2020
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 2: Did he talk about that when he brought up all

2021
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 2: the money down.

2022
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, talked about all the Nike money that Oregon

2023
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 3: was getting, but failed to bring up all the money

2024
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 3: that Oklahoma State was getting from two boone pickens on

2025
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 3: their upswing under Mike Gundy from his for his tenure.

2026
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: So when they had the advantage of everyone else, mum

2027
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 2: was the word. But now he wants to talk about

2028
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 2: other people having an advantage over him.

2029
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2030
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: Well, the unfortunate part is when they did have that advantage,

2031
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 2: they really didn't do a whole lot with it.

2032
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 3: Never really beat Oklahoma, never won the Big Twelve, never

2033
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 3: got into the playoff, never got into the BCS. So

2034
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 3: I can't say it was a failed tenure because Oklahoma

2035
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 3: State before Gundy took over really didn't do a whole lot.

2036
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 3: So he did turn the program around and make them competitive.

2037
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 3: But at this point in time, when you're in the

2038
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Big twelve and oh you is no longer there, and

2039
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 3: Texas is no longer there, and you have good you

2040
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,799
Speaker 3: have some really good teams, you talk, Yes, Utah is excellent,

2041
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 3: Texas Texas Tech has the best roster money can buy.

2042
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 2: You know, Iowa State cyclone. I love Iowa State.

2043
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely competitive, But it doesn't necessarily have

2044
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 3: the juggernauts that you used to. You would think you

2045
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 3: still find some way to be competitive, and losing to

2046
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: Tulsa going oh to nine in conference play, I don't

2047
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 3: think things are boding well for for Mike Gundy right now.

2048
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: Feels like they're the UCLA of the Big twelve or something. Okay,

2049
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: it's not that bad. They've been a lot more successful

2050
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: than UCLA has, I just say on the last season.

2051
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 2: This season.

2052
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this this season has been pretty bad for

2053
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 3: Mike Gundy and Oklahoma State, and unfortunately I don't really

2054
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 3: see much of that turning around.

2055
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 2: Okay, but if they let him go, where do they go? Yeah,

2056
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 2: it's like, do they have an answer? Do they have

2057
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 2: someone better to take over? If you're gonna move on

2058
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 2: from somebody, you better have some solutions. You better have

2059
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 2: or at least have a plan, contingency plans of who

2060
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 2: that next guy is going to be to bring you

2061
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: into the new era. Well, that's the thing.

2062
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 3: The new era in college football is ever changing with

2063
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 3: nil and payments directly from the school, the players and collectives.

2064
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 3: So that transitions me out of Oklahoma State to Clemson.

2065
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, obviously Clemson does not had the greatest start

2066
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 3: to their season. Now, granted, last week they lost to

2067
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech on the last second field goal, and they say, oh,

2068
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 3: it's a big upset.

2069
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you.

2070
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 3: For anybody that's followed this and talked about this throughout

2071
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 3: the off season, Georgia Tech has been one of those

2072
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 3: sleeper teams that a lot of people thought really had.

2073
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 2: A great chance of winning the conference.

2074
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,679
Speaker 3: So no one really thought that Georgia Tech beating Clemson

2075
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 3: was a humongous upset. Now the issue is a lot

2076
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 3: of people felt that Clemson because they had so many

2077
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 3: returning starters, guys they've cultivated on their own. Kate Klubnick

2078
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 3: was for some reason, I was never a proponent for this,

2079
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 3: thought of as one of the top quarterback prospects coming

2080
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 3: into going into the NFL draft.

2081
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 2: This offseason. They were talked about with having that national

2082
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 2: championship like hope coming into this season, and now the

2083
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 2: hope isn't fully lost.

2084
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 3: But basically at this point they have to run the

2085
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 3: table in the conference play and find a way to

2086
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 3: get to the conference championship game and see if they

2087
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 3: can get that automatic qualifier.

2088
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that's likely to happen.

2089
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 3: Now that being said, it does mean that Daboswiney has

2090
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 3: lost his touch and that he doesn't know what he's

2091
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 3: doing as a head coach. Has he embraced the transfer

2092
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 3: portal as much as people would have liked, No, And look,

2093
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 3: he went on the giant rant earlier this week saying like, Hey,

2094
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 3: if you guys want me to leave, fine, If you

2095
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 3: guys are tired of winning, get rid of me.

2096
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now see how much you know you'll miss me

2097
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: when I'm gone.

2098
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 3: Basically, and I don't think there's been this giant clamoring.

2099
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 3: I've seen a few tweets in some college football accounts

2100
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 3: that I follow saying that Dabos kind of lost his

2101
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 3: touch and the fact that he's not embracing the transfer

2102
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 3: portal is gonna end up being his undoing. I think

2103
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more time needs to pass before we

2104
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 3: can fully determine that.

2105
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 2: Wasn't the point coming into this season that he's gonna

2106
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 2: do it his own way, where he's cultivating something there

2107
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 2: where guy going through the program and eventually they're going

2108
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 2: to be more seasoned because of it. And they were

2109
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 2: supposed to reap the fruits this upcoming year and that,

2110
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 2: and again we are three weeks in nowther one to two,

2111
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 2: so it's not looking good for them right now, but

2112
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 2: there's still plenty of time, especially in today's climate where

2113
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 2: one loss doesn't kill you, so there's still time for

2114
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 2: them to be able to turn it around.

2115
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 3: But if anyone is clamoring to get rid of him,

2116
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 3: just know where Clemson was before he got there, how

2117
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 3: average they were, how they had all the talent in

2118
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: the world, but they can never Even when he first

2119
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 3: got there, Dabbo, I think within in year two or

2120
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 3: three was talking about clemsoning with quote unquote where every

2121
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 3: time they had a big game against a Marque opponent,

2122
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 3: they always found a way to lose, regardless of hout

2123
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: talent that they were, and he flipped that narrative. They

2124
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 3: want to four national championship games and won two of them.

2125
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 3: Be Miama, He's been an excellent head coach. So whether

2126
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 3: or not he said what he said earlier this week

2127
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 3: just as a bit of a motivation just to say, hey,

2128
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 3: you guys, recognize what you have, you better not let

2129
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 3: me go, I do think he has a point there,

2130
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,520
Speaker 3: while also acknowledging I really don't think there's a ginormous

2131
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 3: clamoring to get rid of him. Vaul will say if

2132
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 3: Clemson doesn't at least recover this season and find themselves

2133
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 3: in the a SEC championship race by the time we

2134
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 3: get to early November, I do think those question marks,

2135
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 3: at least going into next season, those questions are going

2136
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 3: to start being asked even more.

2137
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna make his way into the hot seat with us. Unfortunately, Yes,

2138
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 2: I think he might. I don't think to do better.

2139
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 2: That's the thing. If you're moving on, you better find

2140
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: somebody better.

2141
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 3: And I can think of off the top of my

2142
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 3: head a couple of situations. I go back to Frank

2143
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 3: Solich at Nebraska. Nebraska fans said they were tired of

2144
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 3: winning nine and ten games and getting knocked out in

2145
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 3: a major bowl game every single year. So they they

2146
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 3: got rid of Frank Solich and they brought in Bill Callahan.

2147
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 2: How did that wear? How far? They're just supposed to

2148
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: revamp everything he had professional experience with the Raiders. They're

2149
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 2: still trying to recover from that. Twenty plus years later.

2150
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 2: They lost their identity.

2151
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Matt Rules is kind of helping

2152
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 3: bring that back a little bit. So you see, LA

2153
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 3: basketball is a big one. Ben Hallan, they were winning,

2154
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 3: they were going to final fours, and people were said,

2155
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 3: he's not granted, was he difficult to deal with?

2156
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but so was Nick Saban. You know, a lot

2157
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 2: of guys are difficult. So was Bill Balichick in New England.

2158
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: Now, granted, Ben Hellan never actually won championship, so that

2159
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 3: probably didn't help him.

2160
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,919
Speaker 2: Juice was worth the squeeze with those two guys because

2161
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 2: they were consistently winning at the highest level.

2162
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 3: The style of play was too boring for a lot

2163
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 3: of people despite the fact that they were winning, so

2164
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 3: they got rid of them.

2165
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: It was effective. So how did that work out for him?

2166
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Not great?

2167
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were in the ABYSS and so they brought

2168
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 3: in someone named Mick Cronan, who, oh shock and all

2169
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 3: plays the exact same style as Ben Hallan was playing,

2170
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 3: and if not for a Jalen Suggs miracle shot there

2171
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 3: in the national championship game against Baylor a few years ago.

2172
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 2: But Mick Cronin is more likable, even though he's very

2173
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 2: cantaker as himself, but he does it in a charming way.

2174
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I think he does it in a

2175
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,520
Speaker 3: charming way. If he's not talking to you directly.

2176
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just love his style. Get behind it.

2177
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 3: Asked that have been bulch of the La Times who

2178
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 3: always has to wear it for Mick cronin that every

2179
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 3: single game.

2180
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 2: Not from Deshaun Foster anymore, at least, sorry about that.

2181
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that guy who's placed probably not in the

2182
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 3: most optimal positions.

2183
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:14,839
Speaker 2: Like it happened thirty six hours after our show last week.

2184
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 2: I was wondering if it was gonna happen during our show,

2185
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 2: if Deshaun Foster was going to be let go. It

2186
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 2: eventually happened, I think on Sunday. Technically, yes, he was

2187
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 2: put in a tough spot. Ucla overall, I mean, I

2188
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 2: know they were never a football school, but they had

2189
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 2: some success. They did. Kerry Beeby won a Heisman Trophy

2190
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 2: five thousand years ago. Yeah, Troy Aipman was there, Kate

2191
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 2: mcdowald that they had moments of success. They have glimpses there.

2192
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 2: Don't forget the great Freddy Mitchell. I just don't know

2193
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 2: now that you're in the Big Ten and they haven't

2194
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 2: even started their Big Ten schedule yet and they're zero

2195
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 2: to three, and there's no way they should be worse

2196
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 2: than two to one, given who they played so far

2197
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 2: and what they thought they were going to be coming

2198
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 2: into this season.

2199
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 3: They were a fifteen point favorite at home against New

2200
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 3: Mexico last weekend and got run off of the field.

2201
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: It's a complete embarrassment here in southern California and UCLA

2202
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: fans aren't showing up for games, and they wouldn't do

2203
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 2: that as much even when they were good.

2204
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 3: I'll say this, when Jim Mora was there, albeit with

2205
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 3: Rick new Heisl's players like Bredon Buzz, they they never

2206
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 3: First of all, you're never gonna fill the Rose Bowl

2207
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 3: unless you're actually playing the Rose Bowl game.

2208
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: It was ninety thousand seats in that place. You're asking

2209
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 2: far too much a good turnout for UCLA when they're good.

2210
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 3: If you're if you're getting upwards of you know, forty

2211
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,440
Speaker 3: five to fifty thousand.

2212
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 2: People, you're doing all right, yeah, which Mora was doing

2213
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 2: when they were winning. Problem now is they're saying thirty

2214
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 2: thousand people are there when it looks more like three

2215
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 2: three thousand exactly. That's the tool. When you're this bad.

2216
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 2: They're definitely not showing up our friend Petris Papadak has

2217
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 2: brought up the point and I think it was retweeted

2218
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 2: by Troy Aikman and maybe something that he echoed years ago.

2219
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,640
Speaker 2: They need an on campus stadium so there's less of

2220
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 2: a issues, there's less of an excuse for students not

2221
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 2: to go to games because it's all the way in Pasadena.

2222
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of logistical issues when it comes

2223
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 3: to an on campus football stadium for UCLA. That's been

2224
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 3: talked about at nauseum for I mean, we're talking fifty

2225
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 3: sixty plus years. But I do want to talk about

2226
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 3: a Big Ten matchup that nobody really whatever is. If

2227
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 3: I told you about it about an Illinois and Indiana game,

2228
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 3: you would assume I was talking about a basketball.

2229
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 2: Matchup coming into the season.

2230
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, all of a sudden, this is like a

2231
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 3: big time game this weekend for Big Ten. I won't

2232
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 3: call a supremacy, but I mean, you still talk about

2233
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 3: Ohio State and Oregon and the Big Ten.

2234
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 2: But I don't think we should discount these two teams.

2235
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 3: Whoever wins this game I think has a huge leg

2236
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 3: up and potentially positioning themselves to get a college football

2237
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 3: playoff spot. Even if they don't win the conference, which

2238
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 3: I don't think that they will. But both teams veteran quarterbacks,

2239
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,920
Speaker 3: both teams with no nonsense he had coaches. I think

2240
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 3: this game is going to live up to his billing

2241
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 3: and it's going to be a pretty high scoring game.

2242
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but since we got two on two off coming up,

2243
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the odds going on with this game?

2244
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: Who's favorite?

2245
01:46:58,920 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 4: So?

2246
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 3: I believe Indiana his favorite, which surprises me a little bit,

2247
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 3: to be honest, was it.

2248
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 2: A pick em? Is it a one a minus one

2249
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 2: out there? Let me triple check on that, But I

2250
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 2: think it's more than one, to be honest with you. Okay,

2251
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 2: so you like this game from the other side.

2252
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 3: Well, also, just like Illinois, I mean, he's talked about

2253
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 3: Luke Almeyer is one of the best. He might be

2254
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 3: the best quarterback in the Big Ten just in general.

2255
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 3: He's definitely the most experienced in the Big Ten.

2256
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 2: You asked Noah Ego about them when he came on

2257
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 2: with us about a month ago here Big Ten Saturday

2258
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 2: and Night. I know a Ego on the call of course. Yeah.

2259
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 3: So they're a team that because they're not a blue

2260
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 3: blood program, people just kind of like you know, pawn

2261
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 3: them off to the side, but I think they have

2262
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 3: a legitimate shot. Now, Indiana is actually a six and

2263
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 3: a half point favorite at home against against Illinois, which

2264
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: is shockingly a shockingly large number. You like those points,

2265
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 3: then neither team has played anybody of note, I'll admit that.

2266
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 3: But Illinois with all their experience in Indiana, by the way,

2267
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 3: they brought in half of Jave Madison's roster last year

2268
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 3: with Kurtz Signetty, some of those players have left, brought

2269
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 3: in a new quarterback who has played well. I gotta

2270
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 3: tell you Indiana can be favored in the game if

2271
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:04,919
Speaker 3: it were three. But you're talking about getting a touchdown

2272
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 3: for Illinois. Yeah, I would jump all over that if

2273
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 3: I was the Illini.

2274
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 2: So this is an off the record pick by Kevin,

2275
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 2: even though it's not too long too off, which is

2276
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 2: coming up next with our NFL pick. Yeah, this will

2277
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 2: not apply to my NFL picks two on to well.

2278
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 3: But I do love Illinois in this game, and I

2279
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 3: do think it's gonna position themselves extremely well when it

2280
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 3: comes to the Big Ten race and finding a way

2281
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:26,639
Speaker 3: for them to be able to make it into.

2282
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 2: The College Football Playoff I've been somewhat fascinated from afar

2283
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: and I brought them up when we brought in experts,

2284
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,679
Speaker 2: as if you're not one. Right now, I'm not waxing

2285
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 2: poetically about college football, but USC has looked good so

2286
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 2: far for a team that had such low expectations. Who

2287
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 2: I believe and Patris Papadecas would know more than me.

2288
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 2: But when he came on, we said, this is as

2289
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 2: low as USC has been thought of ever going into

2290
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: a season. They were an afterthought. Petrol's played on some

2291
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 2: pretty bad teams. Well, he owns that. He wears it

2292
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 2: like a badge of honorary, that he was the captain

2293
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 2: of the worst USC football team ever. Did he block

2294
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 2: those out of his mind? Or I was wondering if

2295
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: he was gonna go there with it. Say no, he

2296
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 2: was gonna like, yeah, it might be. They have lowered

2297
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 2: their expectations to the point where the bar's so low

2298
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 2: they are finding a way to clear it. So far,

2299
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 2: they haven't been tested yet. No, but they did look

2300
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 2: good against Purdue last week. They're getting style points at

2301
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 2: least like you should against bad competition.

2302
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 3: Ordu, who won one game last year in the Big Ten,

2303
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 3: two saying I know you're trying to get well. Look

2304
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 3: and even the greater test, although Michigan State is really

2305
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 3: nothing to ride home about it, especially defensively, they'll light

2306
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 3: up defense, you know, their defensive backfield like a Christmas true.

2307
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 2: Do we gotta wait till they play Oregon for a

2308
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 2: real test for USC.

2309
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 3: No, because they're going to be on the big new

2310
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 3: and kickoff next weekend in.

2311
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 2: Illinois, Big Neon Kickoff Bears.

2312
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 3: They're going to USC USC's first real test if you

2313
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 3: don't want to consider Michigan State, which, by the way,

2314
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 3: you realize that game is going to kick off at

2315
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 3: eight pm Pacific time on Saturday, that is eleven pm

2316
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 3: local time in East Lansing.

2317
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 2: See, this wouldn't have happened to USC back in the

2318
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 2: day when they were more relevant. This is exactly my point.

2319
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 2: People don't care about them right now, but this actually

2320
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 2: works to their advantage. I mean, eight o'clock is late

2321
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 2: to kick off for anybody. Can you imagine the kids

2322
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 2: from Michigan State. They actually flew out to LA a

2323
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 2: little bit earlier just to get their bodies acclimated. I mean,

2324
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 2: kicking off a game when your body clock is at

2325
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock midnight. That's ridiculous. Maybe they want to start

2326
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 2: a big ten after dark movement going on. I do

2327
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 2: in the vein of what we used to see with

2328
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 2: the wild stuff going on with PAC twelve after dark.

2329
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 3: I mean that was a big reason why they got

2330
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 3: USC and UCLA and then subsequently Washington and Oregon. So

2331
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 3: they can basically have a game in every single solitary window,

2332
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 3: including what used to be Pack twelve after I guess

2333
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 3: it will be Pack twelve after dark again next year

2334
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 3: when the PAC twelve starts up again.

2335
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Marketing geniuses in the vein of Don Draper, money, money, money, money, money,

2336
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 2: what much?

2337
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 3: So I am interested to see exactly how USC holds

2338
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 3: up against Aiden Chiles and Jonathan Smith and the Michigan

2339
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 3: State offense, which they can score some points, although their

2340
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 3: best ride receiver might not play due to a knee injury,

2341
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 3: so we'll see if he's out there, USC should roll

2342
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 3: against Michigan State. But if they don't and they struggle,

2343
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 3: I do not think it's gonna bold well for them

2344
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 3: when they're in big new next weekend on Fox against Illinois.

2345
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 2: So, in going back to something that we've talked about

2346
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 2: for years, on this show. It matters who you play,

2347
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 2: It matters how you play, not just I'm sorry, Rob Parker.

2348
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 2: There's more than just two sides of the many us

2349
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 2: and losses, Adam. Where does context?

2350
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 4: It?

2351
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 2: Can context be an appetizer at least on the menu?

2352
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 2: Can it be dessert? Like I do think? And I

2353
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:40,799
Speaker 2: want to know your opinion on this because I'm probably

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01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 2: too high on USC right now. But what is it

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01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 2: gonna take for you to buy in just a little

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01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: bit and think they can be a threat in the

2357
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 2: Big ten or just to crack the twelve team playoff situation?

2358
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 2: Like that's that's what we're looking for with USC. That's

2359
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 2: still not that high of a bar. There's twelve teams right.

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01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 3: Well, Look, if you're taking this weekend against Michigan State

2361
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 3: as a given, which you're probably shouldn't considering USC's recent history,

2362
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 3: your next three games at Illinois home against Michigan at

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01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 3: Notre Dame.

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01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 2: So we're gonna find something out quick.

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01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 3: If you go two and one in that stretch between Illinois,

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01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 3: Michigan and Notre Dame, then I think you have something

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01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 3: because after that you have Nebraska, which is not gonna

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01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 3: be a walkover. Northwestern, which will be Iowa, who, for

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01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 3: some ungodly way found a way to score thirty eight

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01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 3: points on Friday and night.

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01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 2: I have no idea how the hell.

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01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 3: That happened before finishing up against Oregon and UCLA. So

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01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 3: I think that three week stretch, I think there's a

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01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 3: bye week Wedgen there, but that three game stretch between

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01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 3: at Illinois home against Michigan and at Notre Dame I

2377
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 3: think may determine everything, assuming again that they beat Michigan

2378
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:43,839
Speaker 3: State this weekend.

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01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 2: I got one last question pertaining to the Big Ten

2380
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 2: in college football before we break here, and it is

2381
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 2: this pop quiz hotshot. How much is Oregon beating Oregon

2382
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 2: State by in what could be the last Civil War?

2383
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 2: I know little schedule something down the road, there's nothing

2384
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 2: scheduled currently. Well, i'll tell you this. The line has

2385
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 2: the Ducks favored by thirty three and a half points. Oh,

2386
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 2: that's it, I'm taking. I'm going over on that. I'm taking.

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01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 3: I'm taking the thirty three and a half for the Ducks.

2388
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 3: Have you seen how bad Oregon State and Washington State

2389
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 3: have looked this year?

2390
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 2: They're not representing the zombie pac twelve.

2391
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 3: Well, no, they are not Washington State got run off

2392
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:24,600
Speaker 3: the field by North Texas.

2393
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:27,760
Speaker 2: Now grind another real team. I mean, North Texas is

2394
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 2: gonna be in the New PAC twelve next year. So

2395
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 2: the stars at night are big and right in North Texas.

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01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my heart goes out to so the people

2397
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 3: up there in Corvallis and the Polue because hard times.

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01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean, at least their colors are great, black and

2399
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 2: orange like my San Francisco Giants. They can hang their

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01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 2: hat on that. I guess they have that going for them.

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01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 2: That's about it.

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Speaker 2: a college football breakdown to two on two off, we'll

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Speaker 2: get to our NFL picks for this weekend. Coming up

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Speaker 2: next here on fn A on FSR, you guys, give

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Speaker 2: up Thy for more.

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Speaker 3: FNA Cotton, one of the best pregame show every weekend.

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Speaker 2: He's Kevin Figures, I'm out of Mosland. This is FNA

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Speaker 2: on FSR. And to close things out here mark time

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01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 2: now for you don't know what you're talking about. Two

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01:54:55,160 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 2: on two off Josh to be out signed for NFL

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01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 2: games for betting lines two where it's spot on and

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01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: two that are off. Two underdogs that we think are

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01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 2: going to prevail and cover the spread, and two lines

2430
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 2: where we think they're exactly where they were supposed to

2431
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 2: be at them. Now, all right, I'm a little confused.

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01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 2: First of all, Brees said, we both went two and

2433
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 2: two last week. Okay. I felt like that was dramatic.

2434
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe you went three and one okay,

2435
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 2: because there was some discrepancy over your final pick because

2436
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 2: we had to get out. We're talking Kansas City and Philadelphia.

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01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the final line that I had was

2438
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 3: Kansas City was actually favored by one at home against Philadelphia.

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01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 2: So you were taking Philadelphia as an off as an underdog,

2440
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 2: and I think you were right. Originally Kansas City was

2441
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 2: favored line flip. Yes, I think that means you went

2442
01:55:57,880 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 2: three and one. You know, I'll leave that up to

2443
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: you and I'll leave it up to the jury to

2444
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 2: de turine that. All right, Well, let's get started here.

2445
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 2: I have a lot of times, so let's get to

2446
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 2: what we have this week. If you don't know, I

2447
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 2: let my cats pick the awns, as in the two

2448
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 2: teams that I believe are going to win, or that

2449
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 2: they believe they are going to win that are favorites. Now,

2450
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 2: I give them a couple of choices that I like

2451
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:25,919
Speaker 2: with little kibbles. Yeah, just and some bits, some kibbles

2452
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 2: and bits some treats. Shadow picked the Seahawks minus seven

2453
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 2: at home over New Orleans and the Saints. Sorry, bri

2454
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 2: and Spencer Rattler. I don't know what I'm supposed to

2455
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 2: do there. The cat picked him. Now, I did give

2456
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:41,760
Speaker 2: her that choice.

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01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 3: Session with Spencer Rattler is like teetering on, like Skip

2458
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 3: Bayless Lebron James.

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01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 2: It's gonna be worse than that by the time I'm

2460
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 2: done with him. Uh and then Shadow or no Tuka,

2461
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 2: my other cat wanted to take the Commanders over the Raiders,

2462
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 2: but with Mariota now under Sin that's not happening. Okay,

2463
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 2: So it's another big one. We've told that one Packers

2464
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 2: minus seven on the road in Cleveland. Those are my

2465
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 2: two as here, Kevin, what do you got for favorites for.

2466
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 3: My on You probably won't be surprised by this. The

2467
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 3: Falcons minus five and a half against Carolina that actually

2468
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 3: moved from being six. So I don't know if people

2469
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 3: are putting money people are confident on Carolina for some reason.

2470
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 3: What I think the Falcons role in this game five

2471
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 3: and a half is not even big.

2472
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 2: Enough based on everything we've seen from the Panthers.

2473
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 3: I know Carolina has been somewhat competitive, They've they could have.

2474
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 2: Looked a lot worse fake comeback, so I think they're

2475
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 2: gonna look so much worse against Atlanta. Bijon Rolls.

2476
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 3: I think Michael Pennix has his best game of the

2477
01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 3: season yet.

2478
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 2: So that's one of my ons. My other on is

2479
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers.

2480
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,000
Speaker 3: That's two and a half point favorites over the Cardinals,

2481
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 3: even with mag Jones as the starting quarterback. I think

2482
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a tight game. The Cardinals, I believe,

2483
01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 3: actually swept this series last year. Interesting, so it's gonna

2484
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 3: be a very competitive game. But I do think the

2485
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers at two and a half, I can

2486
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 3: see them winning by a field goal.

2487
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 2: So I think that line is on all right. I'll

2488
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 2: give my two offs here off of a favorite on

2489
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 2: to the Dogs. I like the Houston Texans getting one

2490
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 2: and a half on the road in Jacksonville. The Texans

2491
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 2: lost another heartbreaker in Week two on Monday Night against

2492
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield and the Bucks on that final drive very hot,

2493
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:24,879
Speaker 2: got a close fourth and ten. Come on, Houston's desperate

2494
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 2: for a victory, and if they lose by one here,

2495
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm getting a point and a half, so I'd still win.

2496
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 2: I am counting on a desperate team trying not to

2497
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 2: start off the season zero to three. And if Jake

2498
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 2: Browning could pass against the Jags last week, I feel

2499
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 2: like CJ. Stroud should be able to as well. Texans

2500
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 2: had to start against the Rams on the road, then

2501
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 2: the Bucks. It's a tough schedule. Jack's got the Panthers

2502
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 2: and the Bengals mostly without Burrow. I like Houston plus

2503
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 2: one and a half against the Jaguars. You want to

2504
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 2: give me an off, I'm.

2505
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 3: Going off and it's gonna be a flip of your

2506
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 3: on the Packers being favorite at Cleveland.

2507
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 4: Yes.

2508
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think that the Cleveland Browns are gonna

2509
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 3: beat the Green Bay Packers. They don't have to, but

2510
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't want to be all Donnis

2511
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 3: green with like you want to crown them, then crown them.

2512
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 3: But I feel like people are crowning the Green Bay

2513
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 3: Packers as Super Bowl champions after their first couple of

2514
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 3: good weeks, and rightfully so. They'll be a really good

2515
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 3: team this year. Parsons looks great, they're two or zero excellent,

2516
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,120
Speaker 3: but they're not unbeatable. They're not immune to a potential

2517
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 3: let down, which I think will happen this weekend against Cleveland.

2518
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 3: I do not think the Browns will beat them, but

2519
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 3: I do think the Browns will be competitive, and I

2520
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 3: can see this being one of those situations, Adam where

2521
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 3: the Packers are up by ten late in the fourth quarter.

2522
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 3: Door Cleveland gets one of those backdoor cover situations and

2523
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,600
Speaker 3: it ends up covering seven of the eight points spread.

2524
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 2: It depends on what book you look at.

2525
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 3: MGM has them at eight, So I have the Cleveland

2526
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 3: Browns covering that eight point spread.

2527
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I can see that happening, and

2528
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 2: I don't like it all right. For my other off

2529
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 2: off of the favorite on an underdog, I got Cincy

2530
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 2: plus three in Minnesota. I know I took some shots

2531
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 2: at Jake Browning, but he does have weapons. Look decent

2532
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 2: filling in for Joe Burrow in twenty twenty three. Since

2533
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 2: these defense looks to be improved, I trust their offense

2534
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:09,440
Speaker 2: more than Minnesota's. Right now, see that, I'm going with

2535
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 2: sincieing the points on the road against the Vikings.

2536
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 3: Okay, for my other off, I talked about this in

2537
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 3: my Trap game tap earlier. Tampa Bay six and a

2538
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:17,920
Speaker 3: half point favorites over the Jets.

2539
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 2: I liked. I think Tampa's definitely the better team.

2540
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 3: I think the Jets defense is much better than they've

2541
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 3: shown these first couple of weekends, So I don't know

2542
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 3: if it's been a project of changing schemes under Aaron

2543
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 3: Glean and Glenn and Steve Wilkes. But I do expect

2544
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 3: them to come out and play better tomorrow afternoon. And

2545
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 3: I think the Jets offense plays well enough on the

2546
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 3: road to keep this game close.

2547
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 2: That's two on to off, two picks on favorites, two

2548
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 2: on underdogs. Right, we do it every week. Now. I

2549
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:45,960
Speaker 2: don't know if we do it well every week, but

2550
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 2: we try our best, all right. My cats do their best.

2551
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 3: They do their part until Adam veto's their picks because

2552
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 3: he doesn't like them well enough.

2553
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 2: Well, if the cats screw up, they ain't getting their

2554
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:55,320
Speaker 2: kibble and bit.

2555
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,839
Speaker 3: Thanks Bree, Thanks Mark, Thanks to you for listening. Project

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02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 3: in Io coming up next on the Fox Sports Yo